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Hello, and
welcome to Pure Choices.
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I'm your host
Pastor Joshua Nelson.
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And I'm so glad
you decided to join us.
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We have another great
program for you today.
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We are talking about lust
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and the title is
three little words
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"I lust you."
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Yeah, "I lust you."
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So, we're gonna talk about that.
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But before we get into it,
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I want to introduce
our panel once again.
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I'll start with brother
to my left, Kean Baxter,
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who is, again, our scholar here,
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who is the recent graduate
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of the Andrews
University Theological Seminary,
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MD of graduate.
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We also have
Pastor Kory Douglas,
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who is a pastor
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in the Central
States Conference.
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And we also have Jeanne Mogusu,
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who is currently
a seminary student
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and also a PhD recipient or...
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Candidate. Candidate.
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Thank you, candidate.
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So yeah, we'll make sure we
let everyone know about that.
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We also have
Pastor Marquis Jackson,
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who is a pastor
in my conference,
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the South Atlantic
Conference, over there Sumter.
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And I'm Pastor
Nelson from the Lake city,
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and Marion
district in South Carolina.
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So, we're just
excited to be here,
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and to really discuss this
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important
discussion topic today.
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So, we're just
gonna jump right into it.
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We're talking about 'Lust'.
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Okay, something that
we all struggle with.
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You got be honest, we
all struggle with lust.
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And especially, even
in, so far, you could say
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some of us, many of us,
have had porn or sex addictions.
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Okay.
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So now we want to just talk...
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let's talk about
first up, what is lust?
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Or the core of what is lust?
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And compare
that to what is love?
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I will say, lust and
love have similar connection,
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seemingly the
same, but the difference
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is I will say love is where
we got to say in John 3:16,
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"For God so loved the world,
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that He gave us
his only begotten Son."
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And lust... and
love is an aspect
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of giving to someone.
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Lust is more so on the reverse.
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See, they're
both of four letters,
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they both start
with the letter L.
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But lust more so,
kind of, specifically says,
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what can you do for me?
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What can you give me?
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While love says
I'm gonna give to you,
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lust says I need
you to do this for me.
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Okay.
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So it goes back
to self gratification
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and merely just
getting what you want.
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Right. I have it, okay.
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And we recognize a lot of
people in relationships now,
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are not really
loving their lusting.
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A lot of them are
infatuated with someone
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or just because
they saw this on TV,
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this is what they
want, an ideal in a mate,
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or this is a man or woman,
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they desire that, not
necessarily trying to give.
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So just want to get
something for themselves.
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I want to just
continue that thought.
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It actually...
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encrypt that word,
actually means desire,
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wanting something.
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And it's actually wanting...
I like to think of it this way,
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sinners meeting a legitimate
need in a illegitimate way.
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So, we have sexual
desires, we've ready--
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We've already establish
that God gave us sexual desires.
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Lust is desiring to
fulfill those needs in a way
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that God did not intend.
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So lust is one thing something
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that God did not intend for you.
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Okay.
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So, now lets look
at this issue of lust
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according to what Jesus says,
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because this
verse, in Mathew 5:28,
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is really
alarming to many of us,
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because it says "But
I tell you that anyone
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who looks at a women lustfully
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has already committed
adultery with her in his heart."
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You can flip that
around for a woman
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who looks at
something, you know, lust.
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So, that's taking
it pretty extreme.
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You know would you,
would you not-- I mean,
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how is that really possible?
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We, as men, we're
just thought, as a man,
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I'll say, it's hard, you
know, I'm getting married,
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you know, you see another
lady or someone who looks good.
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Doesn't it-- naturally your
mind just kind of goes there.
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Yeah.
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So, what is, what is
Jesus really talking about?
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I don't know that I would
even isolate it to just man
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because even women,
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we're always talking
about the Brad Pitts and the--
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you know, the Idris Elbas,
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you know, which
ever your persuasion is.
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And you look at this,
you have lots of people
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who are looking
at this man and you,
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you know, going
the Channing Tatums,
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you know, any time the
man takes off his shirt,
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everyone is literally
screaming their heads off.
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And it, kind of,
gives this idea of that
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is what we
should be looking for.
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You know, it's the person
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who is going to make
everybody else's heads turn,
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and not
necessarily go beyond that,
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so it's more of a lust,
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kind of, gives more of
a physical connotation.
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It has to be more physical,
it's not about who you are?
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It's about what
you look like. Yes.
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Well, you know, I would...
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I wouldn't find lust as
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'cause, men, we defined our love
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and marriage and sex
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in the context of
being in God's image.
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And I believe that
when you look at somebody,
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that's how you
should look at them,
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as if they are in God's image.
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And when you approach
or make an attempt at love,
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outside of the image of God
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or outside of looking
at that person that way,
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that what you are
doing is you are lusting,
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because you have removed
God's image from the equation.
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And I think that
what Jesus is getting at
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and it's actually
beautiful in the context,
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because He is
talking to those people
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who have taken His word
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and have taken the
spirit of the word out of it,
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who have taken the Lord
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and have taken the
spirit of the Lord out of it.
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And now concentrate only
on the physicality of the Lord
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that which we see only outside.
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And so, you know,
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when Jesus is
making the statement
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of looking at the woman
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and lusting in it to
happen in your heart.
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He is saying, it's not
about necessarily what you do
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with your hands only,
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but it's about your
intension, your heart.
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And if God is not at the
centre of what you are doing
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even in regards to
something like trying to be holy
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or trying to be pure, or clean,
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you know, if God is
not at the centre of it,
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then you know, you
have already lusted.
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And, you know, and I
don't want to get preachery,
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but some of us lust
after being Christians.
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You know, but well,
that's another conversation
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for another day.
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Okay, so look at this thing now.
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We are lusting in-- we were
lusting in our hearts, right?
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That's what God is
trying to really make it stay.
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Okay, look it's--
you're sinning by doing it,
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is that's not folks always
on a legalistic matter of it
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Thou shall not do
this and you're okay.
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But let's focus on also now
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what's happening
inside of your mind?
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What are you thinking about?
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Okay, and that's
really where sin is birthed.
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Right.
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I think, you are
bringing that up,
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that quote from Jesus
in Mathew 5 is important,
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if you look at a
women to lust at,
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after in your heart
you've committed adultery,
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because some people see it,
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may be he was just
speaking in hyperbole,
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because it's-- I mean,
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is it possible to
not sin even in thought.
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You know, it's like,
the standard is too high.
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And because we...
like you said, Kory,
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we've taken the sprit
out of the commandments.
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We've lowered the standard.
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And we try to live up to
it based on our own efforts.
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And we kind of make
excuses, and we've say,
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okay, this is, you know,
this is sin and this is not.
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So I can do this
and not the other.
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But understanding the
sprit and understanding
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that Jesus did not
sin in thought or action.
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So--
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So lets really
tackle that, because,
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you know, that's
serious what you're saying.
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Because, in
reality, what Jesus presents,
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what He shows and
tells us what to do
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and what He is
telling to the Pharisees,
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they are alarmed, because
it's pretty much impossible.
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Now, does anyone have
a problem with me saying
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that "It's
impossible to be perfect"?
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No.
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Some people
will. Yeah, very well.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I know, for
example, being honest.
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You know, as I'm
growing up in, you know,
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how could Jesus ever be perfect,
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in aspect of,
you know, growing up
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and, you know,
children, you know, make--
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Mary did a great job in
helping her raising her son,
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and Joseph did as well.
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I remember when I
was seven years old,
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I remember I was going
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to one of my
mom's friend's places.
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And she used to
go visit her friend.
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And her friend has a daughter.
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We were around the same age.
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And she took me to downstairs
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and she took to me
to this basement area.
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And in the basement
area, there was magazines.
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And there was
magazine of a naked woman.
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And at the age of
seven, even in that,
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I still see those that...
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those images they
are seared in my mind.
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It's amazing how
Christ in his situation
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as growing up, was
raised so well, that he--
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that he was able to veer
from any of those situation.
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He was tempted in all points
as we are, yet without sin.
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And so, with Christ living
a perfect life, it is hard,
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because I made mistakes,
I've been exposed to things.
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But I do you have to ask
Christ to continue to deliver me
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to take those
things out and win that,
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situations always
popping up in my head,
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to ask God that nail it,
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no hit it on the
head to set it down,
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because If I don't it
will to continue to build up.
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So what you are saying is
you cannot do it though because-
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I can't do it.
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This story is with the Christ
really doing it through you.
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Right.
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Well, Let me let me--
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I think it is
important to find perfection.
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You know, if we
gonna move forward.
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And it's
interesting that we go here,
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because just the
other week I was talking to,
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at one of my churches,
about this prayer meeting.
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You know, in Matthew 5,
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Jesus in the
sermon on the mounts says
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"Be ye perfect, as your
father in heaven is perfect."
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Of course, quoting
when God says to Abraham,
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"Be ye thou
perfect on to the Lord."
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And it's interesting
that we take that verse
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and then we say, well,
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we should just
do everything right.
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And we define
perfection is no flaws,
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look shiny all the time,
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you know, everything
is gonna be all right.
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You know, but do
your best to be this way.
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And it's
interesting that the context
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in which Jesus gives this verse,
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He is talking
about relationship.
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He talks about how
you treat one another.
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How you treat your
enemy and even-- Like I said,
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God says to Moses "Be
thou perfect onto me."
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Talking more about relationship,
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which I think is interesting,
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because we are talking
about sex and relationship.
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And that God
establishes perfection,
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based on our
relationship with Him.
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And so, when God says,
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"in Jesus be
perfect," it's like saying,
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be thou in perfect
relationship with me.
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Always strive to be in
that connection with me.
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And that's where
we mess up sometimes
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because that is the
base and the foundation
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out of which all of what
we are talking about grows.
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Yeah, that's--
Go ahead, go ahead.
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Relationship with
God and with each other,
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its goes both ways.
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And it's one-- And
the thing is you can't--
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It's one and the
same. Yeah. Exactly.
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Yeah, it can't--
it's like the cross,
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there is an upward beam
and then there's a horizontal.
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So you are saying the
reality is based to that
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is as hard as I may try
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not to look at that pornography,
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as hard as I may
try to stop my addiction
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that basically, the
solution is not in me.
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As hard as I may try,
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I'm not gonna
be able to stop it.
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Is that what you telling me?
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Well, we are not
saying not to try,
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that's not we are saying.
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We are not saying pray
and then watch pornography,
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and pray and
hope that eventually
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God will
magically touch your chin
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and turn it away
from the television screen
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or the computer.
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What we're saying is that,
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it's not watching the
pornography and not...
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and trying hard
not to do these things
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is not would makes you pure.
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Christ makes you pure
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and you honor the
process of Christ purifying you,
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by not polluting
your mind with the things
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that will corrupt you.
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Okay, go ahead.
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Luke Chapter 15 speaks
about a story about a man.
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He cleaned and he
cleaned the spirit out,
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putting nothing
in it, just vacuum.
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But again still
that spirit looked around
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and saw him and nothing in it.
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And he said just want me do,
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I'm gonna come back in his place
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and I'll bring
seven of my boys with me.
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And this person will
be in a worse situation
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than he was before.
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If we think that we can
do this of our own strength
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and we do not put
Jesus Christ in us,
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it's kind of like
saying when we put Christ in us
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and we ask Him to
live a life through us
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so it can be imparted out.
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That's what we can do,
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because if not those
demons will come in and may...
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I may have
looked at one magazine,
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but if I have
not put Christ in me,
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I'm gonna look at worse
more, more intense magazine
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triple, quadruple X
magazines, watch the TV shows
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and pay the money.
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And then do all those things.
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And if we don't
put Christ in us,
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that's the dangerous thing.
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I think that's...
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Yeah, and, and more so,
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because Marquis literally
took the words out of my mouth.
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One thing we have to understand
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is that we're not
trying, we're not saying that--
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when we, when we--
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most people believe
that when we tell them--
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that we need God expects
for us to live a holy life,
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that you just need to
stop doing what you're doing.
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That is an important part of it,
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but however it
is not the source,
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that is just treating a symptom.
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You know, when
you go to the doctor,
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if I have a cold,
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I can be given
medicine for my fever,
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I can be given everything else.
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But if the doctor
is not treating my--
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the cause for it,
you know, the virus,
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then I'm gonna be
sick all over again.
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And that's-- And that's how we,
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that's how we tend to
treat sin in our lives.
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I'm a liar, so
I'm gonna stop lying.
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I'm a-- you know I am, I steal,
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you know, so I
need to stop stealing.
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And so you're concentrating
so much on what not to do,
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that you forget that
there is so much more
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that you ought to do.
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And that's the thing.
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This-- I love this analogy,
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someone-- a
friend of mine said this,
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you know, it's like
going into a room of darkness,
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you know, and getting a bucket,
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because you want that--
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you know, you
want some light in it,
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so you get a bucket
and try to carry out
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all the darkness out of it.
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Instead of just turning on
the light switch, you know.
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And so--
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and that analogy of the man
with the demons is so great,
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and that's why
it's in the Bible,
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because we are trying to
take things out of our life,
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but we don't recognize
that there is something
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that needs to
come into our lives.
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Exactly.
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And it's not until
it comes into our lives
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that you get the
ability, sort of, an--
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that which comes
in is what pushes out
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that the rest of the things.
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Okay, I want to
talk about the how.
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Are you gonna say
something, in regards to this?
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Along with what Marquis said,
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I'm thinking of a more
current example of the demon,
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he said, demons are leaving
and they are coming back.
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I was watching a talk show,
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and a lady had a
stomach bypass, I think.
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Yeah, 'cause want
to lose that weight
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and-- gastric bypass, right.
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So she had it, she lost
a lot of weight, of course.
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You are not able to fit
as much food in your stomach.
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So you eat more
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but you not able
to-- You're not as--
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You don't-- You
eat more frequently-
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Because your
capacity is shrunken.
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Small. Smaller.
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And so you lose
a lot more weight.
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So she was fine, as far
as the weight was concerned,
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but she became an alcoholic.
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Because the fact of the matter
was, she was addicted to food.
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She treated this symptom
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and addiction popped
up in another aspect.
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Wow.
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I've said this to my
church. And it may sound weird.
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The problem is not
sin, the problem is sin.
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The problem is not
sin-- Christ defeated sin.
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The problem is the fact
that we had not allowed Christ
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to come into us,
and get that sin out.
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I have a house.
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I have yard, but
my yard has weeds.
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And I-- I get weed
killer and I'll spray it in,
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those things will
top up a little bit
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or they don't do anything.
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Because I haven't
gotten to the root.
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And so we don't get
into the root of the issue
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and allow Christ to come
in and pull that root out,
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we're gonna continue had
the same symptoms over again.
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Okay, I love it.
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I love that you all been saying.
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Let's now talk
about some ways to do it,
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because you know lot of
people watching may say,
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well, how did you do it?
How did you really do that?
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I mean, I heard you're saying
about having Christ in you,
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we have, we talk about
die in a self, but, you know,
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how does that really take place?
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What am I doing?
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You know, I'm here, I'm
trying to stop watching things.
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What do I really do?
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What is the
first step that I take?
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How can I hear God's voice?
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Well, what
would you say to them?
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Well I don't want to be--
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I don't want to
be cliche, you know.
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But we're on Pure Choices.
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We're talking
about relationship,
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and relating to
each other, intimacy.
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And, you know,
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it's a relationship
that God asks us to.
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You know, the Bible refers
to Abraham as a friend of God,
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at the end of the day.
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It's what God
seeks, is friendship.
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And will you, when you, kind of,
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when you talk like, this
is why I say it work so hard
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at destroying our
view of relationship,
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is because God has
invited us to intimacy,
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and what does that mean?
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That means that, yeah,
read your Bible, pray every day,
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make time for Him, spend time,
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just as you would with
someone you wanted to date.
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But that also
means that it's not easy.
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That also means
that when you start out,
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it's gonna be a little
bit of, you know, you know,
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I'm a little nervous because
I don't really know what to do.
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You know, I
hate-- As you develop,
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as you talk to Him
more and more every day.
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And I'm telling you this
from experience, you know,
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you begin-- you get,
you get closer to Him,
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where now-- And
this may sound, you know,
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a little a contemporary,
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but sometimes
when I pray to God,
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it's not even about
your head and get solemn.
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It's like, God, I need to
get where I'm going today.
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I know you got
it, could you please,
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while I'm from
going into the call.
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You know, because I'm
on a basis with him now
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where we're intimate, you know.
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And I understand, I
know what he's talking.
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And it doesn't have
to come in meditation
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as it did three
or four years ago.
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When I had to really sit down
in a dark-- in a quiet room.
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But as I have grown with
God, our relationship has grown.
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And also, I don't
if I'm getting ahead,
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and I'm sorry,
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but I talked about this on
the interview, our program.
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But what we do is we
present relationship with Christ
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and becoming pure without
presenting the struggle of it.
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We act like, from day
one, as soon as you turn around
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and decide to go
the other direction,
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that everything is gonna be
easy, but there's a struggle.
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You know, every
day we got to wrestle
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with the fact that our flesh
doesn't want to talk to God.
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And sometimes we got to
have-- it has to be a decision
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before it is a feeling.
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We have to decide,
this is what I'm gonna do,
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even though I
don't feel like it today.
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And the same thing is important
in-- making up pure choices.
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Today, I might not
want to make a pure choice.
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And it's not gonna be easy,
but as I continue to do it,
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knowing that Christ is
working to clean me up,
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it begins to get
easier and easier as I go.
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Okay, and you know, but
I want you also to address,
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you know, the struggle,
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how do you
really fight through it?
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And it was, that's
exactly where I was going,
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it's kind of like love.
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I love the analogy of love,
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because it's so--
it's a perfect example.
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God love-- when you
are in love with someone,
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you want to spend all the
time in the world with them.
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You can't, literally,
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you cannot bear
being apart from them.
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And so-- but in
order to get to the point
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where you're in
love with someone,
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you really have to
get to know that person.
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And so, at the beginning,
you know, it may be like,
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you know, Kory said, it may
be kind of awkward like, hey.
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Yeah.
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You know, and you're wondering
what do I say next, will they,
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will they like me, you know,
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just that we if I tell
them-- if I show them who I am.
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And so, it is the
same way with God.
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You know, you have
to get past the idea
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that he will not like
you just the way you are,
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because guess what,
He already knows you
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and He loves you. My lord.
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He is seeking to have
a relationship with you.
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He wants to spend time with you.
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He's already there, you know,
00:20:02.30\00:20:04.20
waiting for you to
spend time with you.
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He's pursuing you,
all the time, constantly.
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I mean, don't
make me preach now.
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Yeah, it's kind
of very hot in here.
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My lord.
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But, but, that is
the ultimate love story,
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you know. That's it.
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That is the ultimate
love story, like seriously,
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nobody can love
you, like He can.
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You know, I mean, God, you know,
00:20:24.45\00:20:26.42
because it's only
until you get to the place
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where you recognize,
00:20:28.52\00:20:29.86
you are valued in
His, in His, in His eyes,
00:20:29.89\00:20:33.56
that you have
the ultimate value.
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He, He loved you so much,
He made you in His own image.
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So that He could have
an experience with you.
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You know, a
relational experience with you.
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And, and, and that,
once we recognize that,
00:20:44.47\00:20:47.38
once you recognize your value,
00:20:47.41\00:20:49.44
then it becomes
so much easier to,
00:20:49.48\00:20:51.48
to be like, "Hey, God,"
you know, "I'm here, today,
00:20:51.51\00:20:55.18
it's rough, I really
don't feel like talking to you.
00:20:55.22\00:20:59.55
But guess what? I
want to get to know You.
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I want to, um, I want
to spend time with you.
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Show me how to
spend time with you."
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I love, I love
telling people that I meet,
00:21:08.23\00:21:11.67
who are just starting
out in their relationship.
00:21:11.70\00:21:14.47
If you can't
wake up in the morning
00:21:14.50\00:21:16.04
to spend time with
God, just tell Him.
00:21:16.07\00:21:18.77
Tell Him, "Lord,
this is what I want to do.
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I want to spend time with
you, but you know me and sleep.
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We love, we love
each other," you know.
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So if you want to
spend, I have done this,
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where I have
gone to bed dog tired.
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And I'm telling God,
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"Lord, if you want
to spend time with me,
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wake me up." Wake me up.
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And guess what, I could
be in bed by three at night,
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studying all, you know,
and I will wake up at five.
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And I will wake up so refreshed.
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And once I spend time with him,
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I'll be able to
run through all day,
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not sleeping, nothing, you know.
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Just vibrant,
because He has woken me up,
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and He has refreshed my,
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you know, my time with
Him, has just been so refreshing
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that I'm not even
exhausted any more.
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Wow sister, you
said a lot there,
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some valuable things
and valuable thing there.
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I mean, that's
really what I say.
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And that's where we
find the desire of purity,
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when you
recognize who you are in Him
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and that He loves you so much.
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You know, that He
really desires to have,
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let you have that gift
of sex, when it's time,
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because it's beautiful,
because He created it.
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And when we don't, we
cheap in ourselves, we cheap in,
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what He is really
trying to do in us and for us.
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That's right. Yeah.
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In my experience
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I was born and
raised in the church.
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And I had to get to the point,
God brought me to the point
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where I had to
despair of myself,
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I had to give up on myself.
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And the thing is,
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and I don't know
if I'm the only one.
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May be I'm very
stubborn or very slow.
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But I would try, I would
fail, I would try I would fail.
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No, you're not by yourself.
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And I said when you don't--
when you give up on yourself,
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I just had a lot of faith
in myself for some reason.
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But God brought me to a
point where I realized in--
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looking at my
life that you're not,
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you're not gonna get this,
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as a matter of fact,
you are getting worse.
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God has, you have, we
have to get to the point
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where we give up on
ourselves, "can't do it".
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We cannot keep the commandments.
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If you think you're keeping
the commandments, you're not.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That was the
Pharisees problem. Exactly.
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And this what
Jesus says, you know,
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you say don't commit adultery,
but you're thinking about it.
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You don't, you
don't kill your brother,
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but you hate him
in your heart. Yeah.
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So Jesus was raising the
bar, so you guys don't have it.
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So when you despair of yourself,
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he's like, what do I do?
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And then Jesus
presents Himself, I got it.
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I'm your savior. Amen. Amen.
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Die with me and I'll bring you,
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I will do for you what
you can't do for yourself.
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It's not God helping you,
00:23:53.50\00:23:55.93
it's God doing
it. It's God doing it.
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It's God doing it. Yes, yes.
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And-- what you're
all saying is so true.
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And I think probably one thing
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is we have to be very careful of
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is not to mirror our
walk to someone else's walk.
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Because, you know,
00:24:08.88\00:24:10.21
as we looking at
the show Pure Choices,
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probably the context--
00:24:12.58\00:24:13.92
the people are
gonna be watching this
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or gonna people,
young adults, teenagers,
00:24:15.32\00:24:17.32
may be there's some people
little our age or some older.
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But the challenge is,
is that if I mirror myself
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or how someone else is walking
or how someone else is walking,
00:24:25.43\00:24:28.53
I'm finding myself at a problem,
00:24:28.56\00:24:29.90
because like the old
story of running in a lane.
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If you're running
in that lane and you--
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I remember when I was in
high school, I was racing,
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people didn't think I could run,
00:24:37.04\00:24:38.37
but back in the day, I
was little fast, you know.
00:24:38.41\00:24:39.87
I'm certainly run a little more
00:24:41.54\00:24:42.88
but you say it'll
take little more time
00:24:42.91\00:24:44.25
to get myself ready.
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But I would, I would,
I would run and there's--
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I beat these guys
and then there's one guy
00:24:49.08\00:24:50.62
who everybody
telling was gonna toast me.
00:24:50.65\00:24:53.09
I race against this
person and we were neck to neck.
00:24:53.12\00:24:55.46
But my problem was I looked
to my right, so I get some.
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And at the end of it,
00:24:59.13\00:25:00.50
we both probably
get to end of the line
00:25:00.53\00:25:02.30
and get there together,
but they gave it to him
00:25:02.33\00:25:04.63
because they
thought he was faster.
00:25:04.67\00:25:06.03
Now none of it's-- none a case
but if I would have just kept,
00:25:06.07\00:25:09.74
if I would have just kept focus,
00:25:09.77\00:25:11.37
I probably
could have beaten him.
00:25:11.41\00:25:13.31
But the problem is,
00:25:13.34\00:25:14.84
unfortunately,
that was a church,
00:25:14.88\00:25:16.44
we have put--
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we have merit people in
there walk compared to ours,
00:25:17.85\00:25:20.62
it makes it hard for a person,
00:25:20.65\00:25:22.22
and as a young people,
in this young generation,
00:25:22.25\00:25:24.32
we just need to be open
honest, it is a struggle.
00:25:24.35\00:25:27.02
It is.
00:25:27.06\00:25:28.39
And we have to say listen,
00:25:28.42\00:25:29.76
there's times where
I'm gonna fall and slip,
00:25:29.79\00:25:31.13
but just like the Bible says,
00:25:31.16\00:25:32.49
"A just man fall seven
times, but gets back up."
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Well, you know, one of
the-- I mean, I love the Bible--
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I'm sorry.
00:25:37.73\00:25:39.07
You know, when Jesus--
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Oh, man, I really do.
00:25:40.47\00:25:43.71
It's like it gets me excited.
00:25:43.74\00:25:47.24
When the rich young
ruler comes to Christ,
00:25:47.28\00:25:49.84
and, you know, he says
I've done all the stuff,
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you know, what else shall I do.
00:25:51.51\00:25:52.85
Christ tells him,
"follow me", you know.
00:25:52.88\00:25:54.52
Right. Yeah.
00:25:54.55\00:25:55.88
And our problem is that
we can't control "follow me".
00:25:55.92\00:26:00.09
Yeah.
00:26:00.12\00:26:01.46
We can't set
benchmarkers for "follow me".
00:26:01.49\00:26:04.33
Because when
you're following Christ,
00:26:04.36\00:26:05.69
we want to be
able to tell people,
00:26:05.73\00:26:07.10
well, after five months,
you should look like this.
00:26:07.13\00:26:09.53
You should sound
like that, you know,
00:26:09.56\00:26:11.17
if you're gonna be
making pure choices,
00:26:11.20\00:26:13.20
after six months,
00:26:13.23\00:26:14.57
you should be able be
just look him in the face
00:26:14.60\00:26:15.94
and say no sex.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:15.97\00:26:17.31
You know what I'm saying?
00:26:17.34\00:26:18.67
We want to tell
people, you know,
00:26:18.71\00:26:20.04
after a little
while you got to do that,
00:26:20.08\00:26:21.41
but Christ just
says "follow me."
00:26:21.44\00:26:22.81
You know, and the thing is
00:26:22.84\00:26:24.31
yeah, we gonna bump,
we're gonna hit bumps,
00:26:24.35\00:26:26.15
you know, the roads gonna turn,
00:26:26.18\00:26:27.52
it's gonna, we gonna go
over the mountains, valleys
00:26:27.55\00:26:29.42
but our thing is
"follow me" and you don't like,
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I don't need to
bring up by Abraham again,
00:26:32.09\00:26:33.69
but what the Bible says
00:26:33.72\00:26:35.06
Abraham didn't
do anything special,
00:26:35.09\00:26:36.62
he didn't work miracles. Yeah.
00:26:36.66\00:26:38.63
He didn't found any land.
00:26:38.66\00:26:40.16
He didn't even see the land
00:26:40.20\00:26:41.53
that God promised
him before he died,
00:26:41.56\00:26:43.03
he didn't get hold
it. Write anything--
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But the Bible says that he--
00:26:44.57\00:26:46.43
but what he did was he
kept on getting up every morning
00:26:46.47\00:26:48.97
and wherever God told
him to go, he went there.
00:26:49.00\00:26:51.67
And the bible
says that the faith
00:26:51.71\00:26:53.14
that it took him to do that,
00:26:53.17\00:26:54.74
it was accounted to
him for righteousness,
00:26:54.78\00:26:57.05
for perfection.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:26:57.08\00:26:59.01
And that's really important,
00:26:59.05\00:27:00.38
because if you look at the Bible
00:27:00.42\00:27:02.08
from the beginning to end
00:27:02.12\00:27:03.85
is always this
great three-words,
00:27:03.89\00:27:06.25
He walked-- well
for, He walked with God.
00:27:06.29\00:27:09.59
You know, Enoch walked
with God, Noah walked with God,
00:27:09.62\00:27:11.96
they were counted righteous
because they walked with God.
00:27:11.99\00:27:15.06
Walking entails so
much but it's like all--
00:27:15.10\00:27:18.03
that's all I have
to do is walk with you,
00:27:18.07\00:27:19.73
it doesn't say
running just says walk.
00:27:19.77\00:27:21.40
Yeah. Wow.
00:27:21.44\00:27:22.77
Powerful
discussion, we may have to do,
00:27:22.80\00:27:24.47
talk some more about--
00:27:24.51\00:27:26.37
But this is how we're
gonna end it out here, you know,
00:27:26.41\00:27:29.28
in Colossians, Paul
talks about the mystery of God,
00:27:29.31\00:27:31.81
which is Christ in you
00:27:31.85\00:27:33.72
"The Hope of
Glory." "The Hope of Glory."
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Praise God.
00:27:35.12\00:27:36.45
That's really
what it's all about.
00:27:36.48\00:27:37.82
If you can just focus on that
00:27:37.85\00:27:39.19
allowing Christ to
really permeate your life,
00:27:39.22\00:27:40.56
allowing Christ
to really come in,
00:27:40.59\00:27:41.92
whatever you have to
do, listen to your pastor,
00:27:41.96\00:27:43.73
listen to-- go
talk to your parents,
00:27:43.76\00:27:45.09
whatever you have
to do, focus on Jesus
00:27:45.13\00:27:47.43
and that relationship
you need to have with Him.
00:27:47.46\00:27:50.23
Well, that's our program.
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Until next time,
make pure choices.
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