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Hello, and
welcome to Pure Choices,
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I'm your host
Pastor Joshua Nelson
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and I'm so glad
you decide to join us.
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We have an exciting
program lined up for you today.
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We have a lot of
guests here today,
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my friends actually, so
I'm really excited about this.
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We can talk about
making pure choices.
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And so I just want to
start by introducing our panel.
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I'm gonna start with my brother,
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my friend to my
left here Kean Baxter,
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who is an MDiv
graduate at the seminary.
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Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
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And good friend of
mine, good friend of mine.
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We also now have over here
our Pastor Marquis Jackson,
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who is the pastor in the
South Atlantic Conference
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and we also have
Chaplain Pearson--
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Kim Pearson who is
the assistance chaplain
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at Oakwood University, and
also we have K. P. Douglas.
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Pastor Douglas,
who is the Pastor
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in Central States Conference.
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And so we have a
great panel for you,
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this day and we just
gonna right into our discussion.
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We're talking todayabout sex,
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and really talking
about "Who Invented sex?"
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That's our title for today.
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"Who Invented Sex?"
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And so we wanted to just
start by just clearing the air.
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What is sex?
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Let's just talk
about it. What is sex?
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Not, not about
what satan says sex is,
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but what does God
say, sex is? What is sex?
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Sex is a connection
of-- connection marriage
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between man and woman.
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God created in-- in
creation of man and woman
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be together and sex
is used for procreation.
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But also is an
even for enjoyment.
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Okay. Between husband and wife.
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Okay, so you're saying
that it is used for procreation,
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but it's also some--
some level of enjoyment?
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Okay, so in the Bible do we find
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that God was the
one that admitted sex?
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Definitely.
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Well, me now I think
if you're a Christian
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and then you
have to go with that,
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you know, I mean, we
don't believe in evolution.
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The bible says that you
know, God gave Eve to Adam
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and you know he told them
be fulfill multiply eventually
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but we have to
believe if we are Christians
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that God is the
one who gave them
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the gift of sex in the context.
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I believe we should
establish that as well
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in the context of marriage.
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Right, and that's an
important point to make
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because it was
something that was made
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when He brought the
two together, right?
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And so that's
important for us to realize
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so-- but we also what you said
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Pastor Jackson was important
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because you said it
also was made for pleasure.
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But do we have a
problem with that,
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to say, that God
made sex for pleasure?
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I think that
would do, I think that,
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you know, the word sex
even has become so taboo
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that we forget that-- yes,
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God made it for procreation,
but God made it to be
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pleasurable and to
be enjoyable, you known,
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I think some times we
take that dynamic out of it
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make we'll make it
something bad and something
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you know, nasty and
let's not talk about that.
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But sex was made to be
pleasurable, enjoyable.
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When God made creation
everything about creation
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He said, it was good.
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So that includes sex,
and I think we forget that.
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Maybe that's something do
with the way that we view God.
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We always view God as
serious about business
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but when we reflect on
ourselves and we understand
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that He made us in His
image with these feelings,
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with the sense of humor,
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it has-- should help us
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understand God better who He is.
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What type of person He is.
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Okay.
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So when we talk about sex,
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just make sure we clear the air.
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We are talking
about penetration,
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we're talking about
penis into a vagina,
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we are not talking about--
that's what we talking, right?
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Okay, that sex.
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Well, is that the-- is
that the extent of sex,
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I don't know.
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Well, I mean, let's talk
about it for a little bit.
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I think part of the
problem in defining sex
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is that there are so
many now, connotations
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to sex that when you say sex,
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is it oral sex,
is it-- you know,
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sex between man and woman,
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but now there are so many
different variations of sex
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that it's hard to pen it down,
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but I think when we look
at the original meaning of sex
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it was between Adam and Eve
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and we know that
it was in creations.
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So that's how God originally--
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you know, wanted it to be
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between man and
woman, and it was good.
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And so you can't have God
without a man and a woman.
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The putting of them
together is the image of God.
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Okay, and we what to
touch on that as well,
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and that so important that you--
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we recognizing now that God
is the one that introduced sex.
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Yeah. You know, to us.
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And what were you saying, Kean?
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I was gonna say
we have to remember
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that God made us
multidimensional begins
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and that sex is
a holistic activity
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so it includes physical
body it an includes emotions
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and it also
includes spirituality.
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And a lot of
times we forget that,
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we think it's just
a purely physical--
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exactly.
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But there is--
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there is an exchange
on mutidimensions here.
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Okay.
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That's pretty
deep to think about.
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Kim, are you
gonna payback on that?
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Yeah, I was gonna say that,
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I think what you said is
correct, we always take sex
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and make it a
physical thing but we forget
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that when the
Bible says that you know,
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Adam knew Eve, you
know, he knew her emotionally
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and spiritually and physically
and so when think about sex,
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we think about intimacy,
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intimacy is a part of sex.
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So when we're talking
about things of someone
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else and we're
talking about sexual things,
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but our emotions are involved,
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that's part of
the sexual experience
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that we have to include.
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We try to define what sex is?
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It's not just a physical thing
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but it involves your
emotions and involves
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your body how
you feel physically
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and it involves
where you're spiritually.
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Sure, sure, and
that's so important.
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And so that's why
I'm wondering just wonder
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why it is in
that-- in the church,
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which is you know,
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representatives of God on earth.
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Why is that we have a
hard time taking about sex?
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You know.
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Well, I mean, I
can give probably few--
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a few reasons I think
the most obvious one is,
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in our society, you know,
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sex is not really
presented in the good light.
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You know, from
you're kid growing up
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every time you sex
its on televisions,
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in the magazine, you
know, on commercials now.
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You know, it could be
a commercial about soap,
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it could be a commercial
about rice and you know,
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beans or something, some how
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it is some of kind of
sex content in that you know.
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and you know, on
television you know
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whenever sex scene
happens, it's always so raunchy,
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it's never, never about
your two people being in love
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or whatever, it usually it's
happening out side of marriage,
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it's usually so much
cheating on somebody,
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or somebody committing adultery,
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and so you know, when
we just think about sex
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on how you know based on
how we been educated by society.
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Or what sex is.
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It doesn't really
seem like something
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you should talk about
in church, you know, so--
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And that's what I been--
that what the big concern is
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because we have a church,
we need to be in a situation
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where we are becoming more,
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more relevant to debunked myths.
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Too many times
we've allowed the society
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and all those various
things to establish to culture
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when God is called us
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to be the ones who
establish a culture.
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And unfortunately
our children well,
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I don't have any
children yet but you know,
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young people, younger
people in this environment
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are observing things
and they hearing it one side
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but they are not
hearing it from the church.
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And so one thing I learned,
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you know, as a child,
my parents were to teach me
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than me learn in in the streets
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because I've
learning the streets
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it will be a totally
attain of view of it.
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And that's the
problem, they never hear
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anything from
church, talking about it
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and it seemed as
though it's bad, it shameful
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and so they get that
wrong prospective on it.
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You know, I that satan
has done a job with that
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because even when we
send you know in the garden
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the first thing we do,
we saw that we were naked
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and we covered
ourselves and we were ashamed.
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And so we do not
want to even come to God
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you know, we hid from Him
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and still we're hiding
doing things in the dark,
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in the shadows?
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The funny thing
is the world keeps it
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real with our young
people and the church isn't.
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They can go to
their friends and get
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what they feel is
real information truth,
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you know, the good,
the bad and the ugly
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and they're talking about
it, they're talking about it
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on you know, in social media.
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Right.
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And in the church
it's not necessary
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being expressed in a way
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where we keeping it
really the younger to.
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So if I want
information, whom I gonna go to?
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Am I gonna go somebody whose
is gonna keep it real with me
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tell me the truth or
am I gonna go somewhere
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where my hand is
gonna get slapped.
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Well, I'm gonna be
shying for thinking or feeling
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or wanting you know,
things that you know,
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"God created" in understanding
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how to get those
in ligament ways.
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All right, Kory.
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Definitely,
definitely, what you know,
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I would add
another, dimension to that
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because we talked
about the outside influences
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but just like we
said earlier you know,
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sex is an
intimate thing, you know,
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and as intimate-- you know,
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an even private beings you know,
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if this not something that
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we do really
want to put out there,
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you know, to think that people
would be thinking about us
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what we're doing in our bedroom
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or what we're
doing with our wife,
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you know, our husbands you know,
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that's not the kind of things
we want to hear out there.
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I mean, maybe the
younger generation now you know,
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pull everything on
Twitter and Facebook.
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Right.
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You know, but for
the most part you know,
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all the people are not
really gonna just you know,
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just starting talking my things
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that happened in the
context of their private home.
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You know, so I
believe that-- that intimacy
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and that us
being a private beings,
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you know has
something to do to with the fact
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that we don't really
want to talk about it.
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You know, along with that
intimacy requires vulnerability
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and God is calling the
church to be venerable for us
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to be venerable
one with another.
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The only way that's possible is
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if our faith has not
in our own righteousness
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but into
righteousness of Christ.
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So we can talk about sex,
we can talk about our mistakes
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and we can be free with that
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because we know that
we're not under condemnation
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we know that we all
have this God given urge
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and we can so we
can talk about our past
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and our
failures and our mistakes
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without the need to you
know, keep up the appearances.
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So righteousness by
faith is so important
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with this issue of our
venerability and intimacy.
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Yeah, and that so--
so actually you said that
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because I'm just
thinking about identity,
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you know, and how
we don't really know
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who we are enough to really
even talk about these things
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and really right
now in our generation
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and the young people you know,
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the Facebook and Twitter
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they are trying to
establish an identity.
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You know, about who they are.
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So what does sexuality
have to do with telling us
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who we are our identity?
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I think it goes back
to I'm kind of remember
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who said it but it's
intimacy, you were seeing into--
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I think Kim said and then,
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Kory said
something else related to it.
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It's intimacy on multiple
dimension, multiple levels,
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physical, emotional,
intellectual, and spiritual,
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and so you-- we have to have
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a secure identity in
order to led somebody in,
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so there has to be
some-- some work done on the--
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on the front and
before we allow that--
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that is possible.
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You know, I like to say as well,
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so with generation before
so unfortunately, they said,
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there's many times
that they went for it,
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even when I was in college,
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I do remember a lot of
people while they are in college
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that would get
married and stuff like that,
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but there main that I
have been the right reasons
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because unfortunately
with in a few years
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they got divorced,
may because they thought
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Jesus gonna come back
or anything like that.
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And when those divorces happened
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there is a little
bit of fear of being--
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of being venerable.
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Of sharing of
things and that is a--
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that's a slow degrade
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that a slow effect
to next generation.
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Because this
generation is a generation
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that is based of relationships
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and if we have not
become relational with them,
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they gonna find
relationships somewhere else.
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And we had to be very careful
about that. Yeah, that's right.
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And I think when he
said is very important
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we were created to
be in relationship.
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That's how we were designed.
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So there is a natural desire
to want to be in community
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and be in
relationship but you know,
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sometimes we have
trouble of finding our identity
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as a person with in
a group of environment
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and so we define
ourselves by how people see us.
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So in a society that is
overly sexualized I'm important,
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I'm valued because I'm
sexy, because I'm attractive,
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because someone wants
to be intimate with me,
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I'm valuable, and
so it destroys that--
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the identity by
the more you know,
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we have to use sex as a
way to define ourselves,
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and so think if you
go back to the garden,
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if you could destroy our
identity through tainting sex
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then you can
destroy the identity of God.
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Yeah. Who God is.
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And so I think that
is very interesting.
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Yeah, yeah because God
identity is really the fact
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that He created man in
His own image male and female.
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You know, I got
it. Kory, go ahead.
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And I was gonna say you know,
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what's was and
what's Satan has done
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this perfect man
is that you know,
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it's shoulld be
something that we celebrate
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being created in God's image.
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Being given to your ability
to be in marriage in communion,
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in intimacy with one
another, given the ability
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People who don't deserve
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you know the
ability to recreate.
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God has given us sex to
be enjoyable, to recreate
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and to experience intimacy,
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that's something
we should celebrate.
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You know, but yet we
have come to the point
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where we are ashamed of
being made in God's image.
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My Lord.
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I was gonna say
that this topic has,
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it's implications
on God's character,
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God made it that way that
the our marriage relations
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if He talk about it in
if us-- Paul talks about it
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in Ephesians chapter 5
I believe where he says,
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husband's love your wife's,
wife respects your husband's
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then he says, husband's
you have to lay down your life
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before your wife like Christ
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laid down His
life for the church.
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So when we have intimacy issues,
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when there is
divorces all the time
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when there is abuse, you know,
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and of all
sources-- of all sorts
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it has
implications on God's character.
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Because the world is
gonna look at the church
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to get a picture of God.
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And until that picture is--
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what's the word I'm looking for?
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Restored?
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Restored accurate.
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Then God's
character is not vindicated
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and He is not glorified
and He can't come back.
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So is that
complimenting how Satan says,
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I would be like most
high, so as he is replace--
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he's trying to
replace God in that position,
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where he is
suppose to accomplish,
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he suppose to show God
where he and still Satan
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trying to put his thumb
print in it to change a whole--
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try to change
whole prospective of sex.
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Okay.
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I think-- well,
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I think is very
interesting about that is
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we need to talk about
changing the prospective
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we understand that there is Adam
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and that Adam was
created in God's image
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and there is Eve the
union of them together,
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completes the image of God.
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So if you alter,
replace or a change
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any of those true components
you alter the image of God.
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And so our identity
gets messed up because--
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Because our identity is in
God. Our identity is in God.
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So let's talk
about this thing now.
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marriage and how
it completes you,
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we've talked a
little bit before,
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I'm not sure how
we're gonna really say this
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because the panel
was little divided here
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about there is
marriage completes you.
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So Pastor Jackson, you
had admitted something about
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when God says, I
will make a helpmate?
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Yeah, as I was
looking this, was reading
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in Genesis Chapter 2, in
that-- in Genesis Chapter 2
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when God created Adam
on a sixth day, He says,
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as He create Adam he
says, not go man to be alone,
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I'll make someone
compatible for him.
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And then after that--
that He starts naming animals.
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So Adam God knew,
he's gonna give Adam,
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but Adam did not yet
know it at that moment.
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And so after He
named the animals
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and he saw male and
female then He realize
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what he was also
liking, not saying
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that he was
incomplete but he was incomplete
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but when Eve came
she help compliment him
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to fulfill the image of God.
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Okay, So--
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what
complementary and completing
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are different
things when God made man,
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when He was finished with Adam
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He said it is good, he
was complete and whole.
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Did He say it?
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When Adam was done
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and so I think that
Adam was a whole man,
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and then he
introduced Eve to him
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to I got to say, put
together the image of God.
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So --
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Time out. You remember
when He put him to sleep.
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Right.
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He took something from them.
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So at that point he
wasn't complete, was he?
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He was complete before.
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He was complete
but then God took--
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it says rib, but we--
we gonna understand that
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when Adam saw Eve he said
that this is born of my bone
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and flesh of my flesh.
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So he took a part of Adam out.
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So was Adam complete before
and then became incomplete?
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Right. You cannot take
something that is not there.
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So--
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So he is complete?
Adam had to be complete.
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God took from Adam
made Eve and then together
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they complement
each other he says
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I'll make a help me
through your help, make for you.
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Not the other half and
I think that is sometimes
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where sex get-- confuse
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because I think I
bring half of me 50%
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you bring half of you
50% and then we come together
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and now make a whole,
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no, I have to be a
whole women, a whole person.
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Complete in Christ.
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If you notice, Adam and Eve
both had experiences with God
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before they met with each other.
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That's right. Yeah.
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So this might be
one of the reasons
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why lot of marriages
aren't working out, huh?
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Possibly maybe
because they have that
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become complete in God--
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Individual for--
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Before they try
to come together.
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And you know,
complement each other.
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Amen.
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Okay, so we have
feel okay by this
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or, Kory, gonna tell something?
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Well, I want to say
this is why because you know,
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we're talking about sex
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and this is why
sex is so important
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when it's done in the
right context you know,
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because it
may-- it helps to make
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the marriage more complete,
it helps to add the intimacy
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and together in this you know,
00:19:08.43\00:19:09.69
them actually
becoming literally one flesh.
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You know, if so
like you said, I mean,
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that's why some marriages
are probably failing right now,
00:19:14.81\00:19:16.81
probably because of sex
and that's why it so important
00:19:16.84\00:19:19.05
that we should
be even be tackling
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the need the topic of sex
00:19:20.31\00:19:21.86
and what it means.
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Yeah, because God really
designed for men and women
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to cleave together to
become one flesh, right?
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And so that's the purpose
00:19:28.29\00:19:30.05
suppose to come
together become one flesh
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and it's not
supposed to be torn--
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torn apart.
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I was gonna say
that in addition to that
00:19:35.56\00:19:38.91
we talk about sex,
we always look at it
00:19:38.94\00:19:40.75
from a intimacy
perspective which is fine
00:19:40.78\00:19:44.21
but I think we forget
about the physiological,
00:19:44.24\00:19:47.24
neurological implications
that sex has on the body.
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When you know, you have
sex, you have an organism
00:19:51.67\00:19:54.79
that the
hormones that are secreted
00:19:54.82\00:19:57.52
are there to bond you
with the other person.
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So when you
have sex with someone
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you are not just
physically bonding with them,
00:20:02.95\00:20:06.06
you are emotionally
and chemically bonding
00:20:06.09\00:20:09.48
with that other person,
00:20:09.51\00:20:10.72
that's why it's the
process of becoming one.
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So every time you
have sex with someone
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you are creating
not just physical bonds
00:20:15.67\00:20:18.29
but neurological bonds to
all of these different people,
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if you having multiple partners.
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Right.
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I was gonna say that anything
that the devil attacks a lot
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is something
that we should look at
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because he knows it's important
so this is why he is try--
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he's done so much to pervert it.
00:20:36.90\00:20:40.42
Because he realizes
the implications on the--
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multiple levels.
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He realizes the-- the connection
00:20:46.00\00:20:48.88
that between human engaging sex
00:20:48.91\00:20:52.80
and how that
reflects on the Creator,
00:20:52.83\00:20:55.86
so he is done so much
to-- to try to pervert it
00:20:55.89\00:21:00.67
and he has done excellent job
00:21:00.70\00:21:03.04
and to get church
people not to talk about it
00:21:03.07\00:21:05.48
but everybody else
in the world you know,
00:21:05.51\00:21:07.86
all sorts of abuse,
you have-- even insists
00:21:07.89\00:21:14.13
and I mean, think of how
that this destroys lives.
00:21:14.16\00:21:17.69
Yeah.
00:21:17.72\00:21:18.79
And you know,
that's when they say--
00:21:18.82\00:21:20.66
it's knownthat two
things that came out of creation
00:21:20.69\00:21:23.43
that still that
we say here to our
00:21:23.46\00:21:25.13
it's marriage and a Sabbath.
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And the devil is been working
hard to destroy both of those.
00:21:26.63\00:21:29.76
Because it shows God in
His love and His care for us.
00:21:29.79\00:21:33.21
But look at the parameters,
look at how God did creation,
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God created the parameters
00:21:36.44\00:21:38.58
and then put in
place what goes there.
00:21:38.61\00:21:41.07
So when God made
the heavens and earth,
00:21:41.10\00:21:42.52
He made the from
there all those things
00:21:42.55\00:21:44.33
and then He puts
something inside of it.
00:21:44.36\00:21:46.16
Then God made
plants and water, you know,
00:21:46.19\00:21:49.51
before He put the animals there.
00:21:49.54\00:21:51.52
So God made
parameters for things
00:21:51.55\00:21:53.61
before he made provision.
00:21:53.64\00:21:55.27
So God created marriage
00:21:55.30\00:21:57.48
and then put sex
inside the marriage.
00:21:57.51\00:22:00.32
So if you look at
how creation is set up,
00:22:00.35\00:22:03.29
that is how it supposed to be
00:22:03.32\00:22:04.99
with in these
different parameters.
00:22:05.02\00:22:07.57
So I think that's so powerful
00:22:07.60\00:22:09.61
when you look at the
creative power of God,
00:22:09.64\00:22:12.38
God didn't just
wanted to be out whatever,
00:22:12.41\00:22:15.20
He put it in a place
where they will be safe
00:22:15.23\00:22:16.99
and nurture and care for
and taking care of just like
00:22:17.02\00:22:20.12
he did with every
other aspect of the creation.
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Yeah, and can you
say then that marriage
00:22:22.35\00:22:24.03
then was put into the Sabbath?
00:22:24.06\00:22:25.93
Is it connected at all?
00:22:25.96\00:22:27.25
When it was--
anyone comment on that?
00:22:27.28\00:22:29.89
I think so.
00:22:29.92\00:22:31.02
All right. I believe so.
00:22:31.05\00:22:32.38
But I don't if we
getting a head of ourselves?
00:22:32.41\00:22:33.86
Go ahead, go ahead. If we
could start talking about it.
00:22:33.89\00:22:35.77
I mean, you know,
then this taboo was well,
00:22:35.80\00:22:37.39
you know, shall we do
it on the Sabbath or not,
00:22:37.42\00:22:38.99
I believe you know,
because of what it represents
00:22:39.02\00:22:42.13
that commentarial
that oneness, remember
00:22:42.16\00:22:44.24
we believe that the
Sabbath is all about God
00:22:44.27\00:22:46.56
coming close to
us in relationship,
00:22:46.59\00:22:48.50
as close as He can possibly get.
00:22:48.53\00:22:50.35
He know an intimate moment.
00:22:50.38\00:22:52.79
what we have
described the Sabbath
00:22:52.82\00:22:53.91
as actually gonna
funny is on, you know,
00:22:53.94\00:22:55.73
when a mother--
I'm not a mother,
00:22:55.76\00:22:56.98
so I can't
really speak out her--
00:22:57.01\00:22:58.04
you know I
can't speak out of it.
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Its be Okay.
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For one when a
mother gives birth,
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the first thing they do
is they baby to the mother
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and mother get
to know experience
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the baby for the first time.
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they experience each
other, they been together
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for nine months, but
now they've you know,
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the baby gets experience
to mother up close in personal
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and you know, what
God does in the Sabbath,
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that's He creates Adam, right?
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And then He has
that personal moment
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that intimate moment
with him on the Sabbath,
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on the seventh day, its' like
He gave birth to him on Friday
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Sabbath He got to hold him close
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and so you know the
Sabbath is that same thing
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you know, it's about intimacy,
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it's always all
rolled up together.
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Yeah, and He brings Adam
and Eve together, all right?
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He bring them-- yeah,
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together to cause to
make the marriage, right?
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Yeah.
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And I think we need
to-- some of the date around
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that whole idea
of sex on the Sabbath
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might stand from our
view of sex that again
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it been taboo for so
long, it's been viewed
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in some religions as-- as dirty,
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so may be some of that
has kind of crept into--
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into our faith and we
feel like sex is not something
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that we talk about and
its' definitely not something
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we do on the Sabbath
because Sabbath is holy.
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But God is holy,
God created us holy,
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sex is holy in
the right context.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, you know,
I've heard people saying
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now do your own
pleasure, and that's the reason
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why that people don't
having sex on Sabbath.
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But when you
look at it you know,
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the Bible says
in Hebrews says that
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the marriage bed is
honorable and undefiled.
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That's right.
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When you come to that aspect
of how God create everything
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He put together the
last thing He did was,
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He had man and
woman to meet each other
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and then came the Sabbath.
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Even as I've heard Hebrews
when they open a Sabbath,
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they open husband
and wife through sex,
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sexual intercourse.
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So it's nothing that is wrong
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it is something God has created
and He set there for the--
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for the enjoyment
between husband and wife
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to lift up His name so that
we can continue to procreate
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but also so our children--
when we have children, Amen.
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We have children
that they will see
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and that they
will sort the follow up
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and they will continue
that to show of image of God
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in them and their
eventual husband's or wife's.
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Yeah. Amen.
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So as we're coming to our close
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I just want to ask through
out this last question here.
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Why does Satan
didn't attack our sexuality?
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Because Satan is mad.
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He is mad at whom?
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Oh, he is mad. He
is mad at the church.
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You know, he
couldn't defeat Christ
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and so now he is
attacking the Church.
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And now he is trying to attack
the church in this aspect.
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But Satan said, I
shall be like the most high.
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Yeah.
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And so in that
process of trying to be like--
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like God, he has to set
up entities that look like
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what God, you know originally
created to be so it's--
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Counterfeit.
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Counterfeit and so
you know, if we set up
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all these
different ideas of sexuality
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and there some of perverted,
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then I can
pervert the image of God.
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If they are skewed then I
can skew the image of God.
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If there is all these different
kinds of things happening
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there is no consistency
then God is not consistent.
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Yeah.
00:26:08.13\00:26:09.16
And so it plays on
all those different things
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and if I can question my
sexuality then I question God.
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And that's you know,
he does the main thing is,
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he know all about the
image of God and identity,
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you know, I got little
brothers in high school
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and one of the biggest thing
00:26:21.37\00:26:22.42
they are
struggling with is who am I?
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And if you can
destroy the image of God,
00:26:24.04\00:26:25.93
you know, in us
then we're gonna question
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who we are and you
know, thought out time.
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You know, and one of the other
things I would even add is,
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you know, look at
what we're doing now
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we having a show
where we got a deep bond,
00:26:34.58\00:26:37.42
you know, the myths about sex,
00:26:37.45\00:26:39.51
you know, and trying to
get rid of all these little
00:26:39.54\00:26:41.34
percussive notions
00:26:41.37\00:26:43.11
we could be talking
about feeding the homeless.
00:26:43.14\00:26:45.14
Expiring the gospel, you know,
00:26:45.17\00:26:46.35
now we got to go back
and do all this, so you know,
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I think you know,
satan knew what he was doing.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And the other thing is
satan of course hates creation,
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he hates procreation, he wanted
to be in on the creation plan
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but of course he would
creative be he not create.
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So that's another reason
sex is connected to creation
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and when they were
in the garden of Eden,
00:27:10.51\00:27:12.78
Adam and Eve and
when they rebelled
00:27:12.81\00:27:14.64
first things
they felt was shame.
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And sex now of course
is surrounded with shame.
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Yeah. Unfortunately.
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Well, we have to stop
there that has told so deep.
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When Bible says in
God, God saw everything
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that He had made Him,
behold it was very good.
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Yes, even sex.
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And so we have to
value the fact that
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God created
sexuality, He created our sex,
00:27:33.24\00:27:35.17
He created intimacy and love.
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And so we thank Him
of that, we value that,
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and we thank Him
for the gift of sex.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's our
program for today
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happy you had decide to join us,
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until next time remember
to keep making pure choices.
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