I have with me
Wayne Atwood from Quebec,
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Canada. What is the
religiosity element there
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in Quebec as far as
Adventism is concerned?
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Well, that's a
very good question and
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what's interesting
about Quebec is that
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there are very few
Adventists and especially
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in our ministry, our
target is to reach the
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French Canadian
Adventists which there are
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even less of them
only about 500 French
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Canadian Adventists
that live in the entire
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province of
Quebec and yet there are
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6 million French Canadians that
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live there that
are Non-Adventist.
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So 500 Adventist to 6
million French Canadians.
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Yes, that's less
than 1 out of every 10,000
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and here in the
United States it's about
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1 in 300, so it's a
huge, huge difference.
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So that would be
less than 5 percent of the
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Adventist that we
have here in North America.
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Yes. So this is
like the 10/40 window
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but it's far
above the 10/40 window.
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Absolutely that's correct.
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And so what are
we, I know you have
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formed a ministry
there to help the situation.
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Tell us a little
bit about better living.
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I'd be happy too.
Yes, we've formed a
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ministry that's
called Better Living in
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English it's mieux
vivre in French and this
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ministry is a media
ministry. We produce
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radio programs and
we're just starting to
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produce television
programs as well and all
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of our programs
are designed to target
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secularized people
because really that's the
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culture, you know, there's been,
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they have been
Catholic in the past,
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but now they really
are not practicing and
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it's a very secular
culture and so we're
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using the right
arm of the message,
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the health message
in order to try to reach
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these people and to
produce content that
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will reach out
to them in their own
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culture and their own language.
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This is audio content as well
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as video and television content.
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That's correct, and in fact,
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we've made a little
video so that some of
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the other members
of the team would be
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able to share with
you, some of the projects
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that we're
working on so we'll share
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that with you at this time.
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Better Living is
all about using media to
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reach the French speaking people
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for Christ. Here in Quebec,
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Canada and around the world.
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Quebec actually
has a strong religious
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heritage, but many
Quebecers have been
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very disappointed
with the control imposed
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by religion in the
past. Now people will
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listen anything that
has to do with tradition.
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As a result our
society has become very
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secular. In fact,
less than 1 out of 10,000
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French Canadians is a
Seventh-Day Adventist.
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After realizing how
few Adventists were here
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in Quebec, I
started asking myself the
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question. What can
we do to reach this
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very secular
people group for Christ?
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We realized the
health is a topic of great
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interest among many Quebecers.
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Health is also a key
that opens doors that
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would otherwise be
close to the Gospel.
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And using media such as; radio,
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television and the
Internet allows us to
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enter in peoples homes
in non-threatening ways.
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So a combination
of health and media
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seem to be the
right approach to reach
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this particular
group of people. By helping
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people find well
being for their bodies,
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we also want them to find
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well being for their souls.
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Our mission is
actually two fold;
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first we want to
produce content that
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will draw
secular people to Christ.
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And secondly, we
want to develop materials
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that will enhance
Church members spiritual
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growth and tools that
they can use to witness.
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So far we've been
producing a weekly
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radio show on
health, personal growth
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and spirituality.
This show airs on the
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local FM radio
station. [Foreign Language]
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But our biggest
project right now is the
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production of a
series of programs on
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the Eight Laws of
Health, also known as
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the New Start
Program, nothing like this
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has ever been
done in French before.
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This production will
be available as a DVD set
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that church members
can share with their
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neighbors, their
friends, and their families.
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This ministry is
quite an undertaking.
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Our team is small
and our studio space
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is limited. In
fact, we're using a garage
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that's been
transformed into a production
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facility. We
opted for a virtual set
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because of the
flexibility it gives us.
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But you could also
say that we're all a
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bit green in this
field. But with the advice
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and guidance of
helpful professionals and a
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passion to reach
the 520 million French
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speaking people world wide we're
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moving forward by faith.
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When you work in media you don't
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always see the
impact of your work.
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But what's been a
real encouragement
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to me is that
regularly we receive e-mails
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from listeners
requesting a book or
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prayers and
that's when I know that
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people are
listening and their hearts are
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touched. To me,
working for Better Living is
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not like working
for any other business.
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Here I can use my
skills to win souls for Christ,
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and that gives me
a purpose in life.
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And winning souls
for Christ is what Better
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Living Ministry is
all about. I invite you to
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visit our website at
betterlivingministry.com
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to see what we're doing to share
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Christ in our market place.
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If you want to
reach the French people in
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Quebec what
would you recommend for
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these people
who I know also have
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a desire to reach the French?
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Well, you know
something that's really
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amazing is that
there is lot of French
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speaking people
that have left the
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province of
Quebec over the years.
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It seems like it
was a place where not
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much was
happening for a long time
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and so I think one
thing the people can
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really do to help
us is to help us find
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those people that are out there,
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to help us to
produce radio programming,
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television
programming and I believe
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that if as we
network together that we
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can really find
those people in order to go
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out and reach the
French speaking people
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and of course our
first target is Quebec but
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like I said,
there's five hundred twenty
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million French
speaking people around the
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world and so we
want to use these
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products as well
to able to reach them.
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So if you know
someone who speaks French,
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who can help out in
health and education or
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evangelistic
program, you'd be interest
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in bringing them to Quebec?
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Absolutely, and we
would like to invite
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you to come and
see our booth as well
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where the end of the
700 isle come and see
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us and we will
tell you more about how
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you can help us. Thank you so
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much and may God bless you.
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And thank you for what
you are doing for Quebec,
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they're winning
through better living.
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I've with me Cameron Bierle.
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Cameron Bierle is
also reaching an area of
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the secular part
of the world but it's
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actually here in the
United States through
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KACS Radio. Tell us what part
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of the US are you in Cameron?
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Well, we broadcast
right on the Interstate-5
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Corridor between
metropolitan areas of
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Seattle, Washington
and Portland, Oregon,
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and the tip of
South Puget Sound.
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And your station
now has a listening
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area of about how many?
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Our population
coverage right now numbers
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into the 4000 range
or a little more and
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growing constantly.
It's one of the fastest
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growing
population areas on South
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Puget Sound of
all the United States.
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And you have some
desires to grow it even further.
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We're so
excited about that, yes,
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we just had
approval by the FCC of a
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new tower site
and of a brand new
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license for our
network and phase one
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of that, the first
new license should be done
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possibly this fall
with all the transmitter
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being donated and
the equipment we just
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got to get that
antenna built and erected
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and then the other
phase we're going to
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move to a new
tower site for the parent
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station that will
extend our coverage into
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the edge of
Seattle and give us a total
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population coverage of
almost two million people.
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Two million from
Seattle to Portland,
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now you're telling
me about a survey that
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was done about the religiosity
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element there in Washington.
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Three university
professors conducted a
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research project
over several years
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and they ended up
titling that research
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project the "Non-
Zone" because they
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discovered the
population around South
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Puget Sound
where we broadcast in a
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mission field to have
the highest percentage
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of population in
anywhere in the United
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States of people who say they
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have no religion at all.
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And as a result
they are open to almost
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anything spiritual.
Many of these people
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don't have anti-spiritual,
they're just open
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to everything and so
we really want to make
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sure that we have
the true spiritual
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element available
for them to right option.
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That's absolutely
right. In fact, we
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Adventists were
mentioned in that
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research project
as one of the fastest
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growing Christian
denomination in that same
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area and the
statistic works out too for
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every one of us
Adventists, in South West
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Washington
there's over 1600 people
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who've never even yet heard a
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presentation of the gospel.
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The gospel anywhere, well,
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you have a little video.
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Yes, we do. Yes, we guess about
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KACS, let's show that this time.
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Well, thank you so
much for your call Daisy.
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Let's pray for
your husband Shawn today
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too with you.
Father, we thank you for
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this call that we
can be here and be a
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source of encouragement
for her in husband's
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absence. We thank
you for your providence
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and care of over
Shawn, as he serves you
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as a Chaplin there
for starting that study
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group to share
with more of the men
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and women in
service. The hope there is
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in Christ the
providence and protection
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there is in the
certainty of eternal life
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beyond the pale of
this Earth and Lord we
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thank you for even
using those moments
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of horrible
destruction and tragedy to
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turn hearts
toward you and be there
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in the midst of all
that he's going through.
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Hi, my name is Kerry O'Connor,
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chairman of KACS Radio, 90.5 FM.
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In this video I
would like to show you
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something about
the radio station where
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it's been in the
past, how it's touched
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lives in the past
and with our planned
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expansions where it
can go in the future?
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I think the key
to KACS' success is
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finding that niche
that nobody else was
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able to fill in that
area, and creating an
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environment where
our listeners tune in.
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They recognize
that difference and find
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a place where they
can feel like they're
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at home, sharing
time with friends and
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family, and feel
like they're part of
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something much
bigger than just themselves.
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I've gotten calls
from truck drivers on
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the road, they're
passing through and they
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know the area and
so they know when to
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tune in and how far
their signal reaches
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and they're just
blessed by the music and
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the information
that we share and give.
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Here at KACS,
we've found by market
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research and even
university level studies
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that were done
that this portion of the
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country right here
in South West Washington
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has the highest
population in America of
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people who say
they've never even
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been exposed to Christianity,
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let alone come to know Jesus.
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We get some of the
stories of the people
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that had changed
lives because of the
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ministry of the
music or teaching on the
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station. People
that have of threaten to
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commit suicide but
they just at the right
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time heard the
right song that stay their
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hand and now
they've either they're still
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living and thriving
in their lives but also
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marriages restored
and depression overcome
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and those types of
things that really keep
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us going as a
ministry and then keep us
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encourage that this is a real
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worth while venture case.
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KACS has been
very affective in the
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mentoring program,
getting mentors doing
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one-to-one with our
kids, and once they're
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mentored on a one-
to-one basis they as
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soon as it rate
drops dramatically.
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I don't know
exactly what the stats are
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on that but
it's somewhere in the
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neighborhood
between 70 and 80 percent
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of those kids
never come back because
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they've received
that kind of one-to-one
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encouragement
through a mentor. We first
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heard about the
program here at KACS.
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As the station
has reached into the
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community over the
years, we have had people
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who live on the
edge of that signal,
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talk to us about
how much more they
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like to have that
beyond just to drive
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home but in their
own homes. Not long
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ago we were able
to complete a power
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increase that increased
signal into the capital
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city. We had an
opportunity to apply for
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other license as
the government opened
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that window for new signals.
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And now we've been
putting the applications
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through the FCC and
we've made that first
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hurtle, the FCC has
given its approval to build
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a whole new
station to repeat the KACS
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signal to at the Willapa Harbor
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area, Pacific County so.
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It surprises people
to find out that the
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missions statement
for radio KACS is very,
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very simple and it
comes down to just a few
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words to clearly broadcast Jesus
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Christ as the way of salvation.
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The TV audience by
definition often is
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the vegetative
mind. Radio is the more
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active individual
who's on the move and
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more inquiring and
it's very inexpensive as
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a result, of
course, no offense to those
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of you watching
right now because I know
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you are inquiring
otherwise you'd be on
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another channel
but nonetheless tell us
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have you been able
to reach professionals?
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Absolutely, around
the South Puget Sound
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on the Shelton side
of the Sound. There was
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a man who began
listening in and just
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stumbled across
the station one day,
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he ran a law
office in Shelton which is
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just across the
water from Seattle,
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and overtime
through the messages and
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music he heard, gave
his heart to Christ and
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I was privileged to
attained by his invitation
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his baptism at a
local church and it all
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was a result of
the station's ministry.
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And there was many
other I know that you're
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reaching, please
come by and talk to
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Cameron afterwards there are
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wonderful stories of
how practical Christianity
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is being spread
through the airwaves in
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Washington and
we appreciate what
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you're doing there
in the Seattle area.
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Next we have Jeff
Reich and Mike McCaffrey
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with us. Jeff Reich
also has a media ministry
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and his media
ministry extends pretty much
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in multiple places
throughout the world.
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Give us a little
bit of an overview of
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the layman's
ministry foundation.
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It's been really
exciting hearing all the
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different media
moments just at the last
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couple minutes and
different members and
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what they're
doing. In 1996, we were
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convicted about
starting television ministry
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up in the back
woods of North Idaho,
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and we built a
television studio back there
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and at that time
we started teaming up
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with 3ABN, and we
started programming in
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early 1997 with
3ABN and at that time we
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never imagined
what would happen but
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today we're on 13
different international
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networks and we like
for instance in India.
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We pioneered
television ministry work in
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India and we're on
JAYA television which the
00:16:05.90\00:16:08.33
only Christian
program on totally Hindu
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network. It's a
worldwide Hindu network
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there and we are
doing cross-cultural
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ministry on
television, but as the ministry
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kept growing we
needed to have people that
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would help us in
the studio and two years
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ago we had kind of
a major set back we're
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in five different
languages doing all this
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production and our
studio manager left,
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and that was in
September, two years
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ago and so we were
like praying and trying
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to decide you know
what is the Lord going
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to do and so we
decided that we would try
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to contact some
of the universities,
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try to tap into some
young people's resources
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you know with the
talent that we have in
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doing media
production so we were in contact
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with AUP and PUC
and Southern college,
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all the way to
Avondale even to Romania
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looking for young
people and the story was
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the same over and
over. These people, well,
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these young people
called me up and we'd
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be on chat or
something, and it's oh, Jeff,
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I'm really excited
about coming and working
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at your ministry.
Now where is this studio
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located? And I
would say, you know,
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it's in the
wilderness, backwards of North
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Idaho and they
would say oh, really well,
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how big is the
youth group there?
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And I would bloat,
and then they would say
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well, where is
this studio out again.
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I'd explain we're
way out in the wilderness
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in the woods of North
Idaho, and they say, well,
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what do you do
out there? And I said,
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well, we ski and
we camp and we work.
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And then they asked a
really tough question.
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Is there a taco
bell close by and I would
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have to tell them well
taco bell is in Spokane,
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Washington, now
we're 20 minutes away
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and pretty much it
all came to a dead end
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road and finally one
day I was talking to a
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lady Nancy who
works at Amazing Facts.
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She's a graphic
designer and working with
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Doug Batchelor and
I told her as we were
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talking, I said you
know we really need a
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studio manager.
We had gone on for 5
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months now and we
were rerunning programs
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on 3ABN. We are
getting behind on other
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production and she
said I met a young guy
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that is just
become an Adventist,
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his name is
Michael McCaffrey and he is
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kind of looking to
get involved with the
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ministry kind of like
what you're involved with
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way out in the
woods. And so I got in
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touch with this,
this guy right here
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Michael McCaffrey
and as I got to know him,
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his story was
just amazing, you know,
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he's a brand new
Adventist, Mike, why don't
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you go ahead and
share a little bit
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of how you became an Adventist.
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Well, it all started
for me about 5 years ago
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in my journey and
I had gone through an
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experience where I
was deceived and it
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lead me to a
place where I was really
00:18:37.48\00:18:39.00
wanting to call
out to God, and wanting
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God in my life
and so at that point,
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I really got down on
my knees and prayed for
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the first time for
God to come into my life,
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and I remember
praying specifically that I
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wanted to know
the truth and I didn't
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want to be
deceived anymore and so that
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was important to me
because the experience
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that I've gone through
and in hindsight I look
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back and I realized
that God has really given
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me a love for the
truth as a result of
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that experience
and so when I cracked
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open the Bible for
the first time I flipped
00:19:04.70\00:19:06.69
open to a page and
there was big letters it
00:19:06.72\00:19:08.38
said that New
Testament and I remember
00:19:08.47\00:19:10.35
thinking oh, yeah,
there is an Old Testament
00:19:10.38\00:19:12.39
and a New
Testament. So my knowledge of
00:19:12.42\00:19:14.77
scripture was really
I didn't really know a
00:19:14.80\00:19:17.65
whole lot at that
point and so God took me
00:19:17.68\00:19:19.75
from there and my
interest in studying
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the scripture
continued and I continued to
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study the Bible and
I continued to study
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Catholicism because
I was raised Catholic,
00:19:26.64\00:19:28.34
so I just wanted to
know more about what
00:19:28.37\00:19:30.21
the Catholic
church teaches and so I
00:19:30.24\00:19:32.33
continued in my
journey and began to
00:19:32.36\00:19:34.90
realize that if I
was going to continue on
00:19:34.93\00:19:38.52
my journey with the
Bible and to continued to
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follow scripture I
would have to apart
00:19:42.35\00:19:43.64
with Catholicism and
if I was going to continue
00:19:43.67\00:19:45.96
with Catholicism
then I will have to apart
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with the Bible, so I
was really kind of at
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this fork in the road,
so I continued to follow
00:19:49.36\00:19:53.06
the Bible and I left
Catholicism and really
00:19:53.11\00:19:56.40
continued to study
scripture at that point
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and that continued
for about a year and then
00:19:58.74\00:20:01.38
I had got into
studying prophecy and I was
00:20:01.84\00:20:03.99
asking more
questions about the state of
00:20:04.39\00:20:06.37
the dead and what
happens when we die
00:20:06.40\00:20:09.05
and I was really
fascinated with the
00:20:09.15\00:20:13.89
supernatural things
and prophecy and all
00:20:13.92\00:20:15.82
the different signs
and symbols and so I
00:20:15.85\00:20:18.41
studied prophecy
for probably about 10
00:20:18.51\00:20:20.45
or 11 months just
like hours everyday and
00:20:20.48\00:20:22.68
I got, I read all
kinds of different things.
00:20:22.71\00:20:24.59
I could get my
hands on and I read about
00:20:24.62\00:20:26.82
the anti-Christ and
the mark of the beast
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and rapture and the tribulation,
00:20:29.12\00:20:30.54
the two witnesses. Mike, where
00:20:30.60\00:20:31.58
were you living at this time
00:20:31.62\00:20:32.59
Rebuilding of
temple in Jerusalem.
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I was in Los
Angeles at this time.
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What we doing at
that time our curiosity,
00:20:36.82\00:20:38.45
while you're
doing all this studying.
00:20:38.48\00:20:39.71
I was working in
the film industry and I
00:20:40.17\00:20:43.56
was doing editing
and video production.
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Some interesting
tidbit. So I was studying
00:20:45.70\00:20:50.23
all these things and
what I realized after
00:20:50.29\00:20:52.10
10 or 11 months was
that the only positive
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conclusion that I
could make was that I
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couldn't make any
positive conclusions
00:20:55.48\00:20:57.19
because I studied
all these things and
00:20:57.98\00:21:00.45
here's this message
it's called the book
00:21:00.48\00:21:01.94
of Revelation. God
has a message that he's
00:21:02.03\00:21:04.03
trying to reveal,
it's not call the book of
00:21:04.06\00:21:06.21
mystery or the
book of confusion for a
00:21:06.26\00:21:07.97
reason and so I just wanted to
00:21:08.00\00:21:09.38
understand what
God wanted me to know.
00:21:09.41\00:21:11.76
So how did you
resolve this confusion then?
00:21:11.80\00:21:13.94
Well, there was a
lot of things that made
00:21:14.78\00:21:16.74
sense and made
logical sense that I could
00:21:16.78\00:21:19.36
believe if I wanted
to, but I couldn't make
00:21:19.52\00:21:21.49
sense, I didn't know
that I knew the truth
00:21:21.52\00:21:23.59
and so I was just
shortly after that I
00:21:23.72\00:21:26.56
really prayed and
I've given it to God and
00:21:26.59\00:21:27.99
I said, God I don't
understand it and I don't
00:21:28.02\00:21:30.26
get it I guess I am
just going to have to
00:21:30.34\00:21:31.63
look at prophecy
as a spectator and it
00:21:31.71\00:21:33.19
was just kind see
what happens and it was
00:21:33.25\00:21:35.92
shortly after
that, that he showed me
00:21:35.95\00:21:37.34
the principle and
the key that changed
00:21:37.54\00:21:38.98
everything about
prophecy and that is
00:21:39.11\00:21:41.36
Second Peter
1:20, knowing this verse
00:21:41.39\00:21:43.42
that no prophecy of
the scripture is of any
00:21:43.45\00:21:45.64
private interpretation.
So it's not your job
00:21:45.67\00:21:48.23
to interpret Bible
prophecy or my job,
00:21:48.34\00:21:50.72
it's the Bible is as
own expository and so I
00:21:50.79\00:21:53.57
went back to
scripture and discovered how
00:21:53.69\00:21:55.46
amazing it was
that the symbols in the
00:21:55.52\00:21:57.57
book of Revelation
are actually defined by
00:21:57.60\00:21:59.67
prophets in the
Old Testament and in
00:21:59.92\00:22:01.61
another places in
the scripture. So I began
00:22:01.64\00:22:03.82
to take the symbols
and put them together
00:22:03.87\00:22:06.02
and this whole new
picture of Bible prophecy
00:22:06.45\00:22:08.37
unfolded before
me that was unlike
00:22:08.41\00:22:09.78
anything I had ever seen before.
00:22:09.81\00:22:11.16
And so you just
did this on your own
00:22:11.89\00:22:13.38
personal study,
looking at those symbols
00:22:13.50\00:22:15.50
and having the
Bible interpret itself
00:22:15.53\00:22:17.38
and where did that lead you?
00:22:17.41\00:22:18.56
Well, that lead
me into the 3 angels
00:22:19.42\00:22:21.79
messages and I
saw that the Sabbath
00:22:21.82\00:22:24.50
might have something
to do with the 3 angels
00:22:24.54\00:22:26.14
message and the
mark of the beast and so
00:22:26.17\00:22:28.00
I began studying
that and it led me into
00:22:28.05\00:22:32.28
keeping the
Sabbath and then eventually
00:22:32.31\00:22:33.93
I had started
studying the abomination
00:22:34.02\00:22:36.66
of desolation and
country living and that
00:22:36.69\00:22:39.11
kind of led me at a
place in L.A where I
00:22:39.14\00:22:41.38
was thinking about
relocating and if I was
00:22:41.50\00:22:44.83
going to do that how
would I leave the city
00:22:44.86\00:22:47.08
and I didn't have
any money to go and
00:22:47.11\00:22:49.25
buy a place or to build
the house or anything, so.
00:22:49.33\00:22:52.50
What are your
changes of moving to the
00:22:52.82\00:22:54.25
country some place and still be
00:22:54.38\00:22:55.65
involved with
television production?
00:22:55.86\00:22:57.24
Yeah, moving to the country and
00:22:57.32\00:22:58.82
continuing what I
wanted to do in film
00:22:58.89\00:23:00.48
and TV seemed like
kind of productive.
00:23:00.51\00:23:02.46
So but I knew that
I wanted to work for
00:23:02.59\00:23:04.32
God and I would
ask God to hire me as I
00:23:04.39\00:23:07.05
was looking for work
at that point and I said,
00:23:07.08\00:23:08.85
God I want to work
for you and so through
00:23:08.88\00:23:11.98
Nancy he put me in
touch and with Jeff and
00:23:12.04\00:23:14.61
said, that she had a
friend in Northern Idaho
00:23:14.64\00:23:16.40
who had a studio
out there and was
00:23:16.53\00:23:18.36
looking for somebody
to come work for him.
00:23:18.47\00:23:19.74
And how knew
Nancy because after you
00:23:19.77\00:23:22.26
came across your
own interpretation of
00:23:22.29\00:23:24.64
prophecy you
thought it might be private
00:23:24.73\00:23:27.04
until you saw
Doug Batchelor and then
00:23:27.16\00:23:29.20
you realize
there was others that
00:23:29.32\00:23:30.45
believe the same way you did.
00:23:30.56\00:23:31.69
Yes, I remember
seeing this guy he was
00:23:31.87\00:23:34.54
talking about the
anti-Christ and all these
00:23:34.70\00:23:36.72
un-politically
correct things on television
00:23:36.77\00:23:38.99
to a large group
of people and I was
00:23:39.17\00:23:40.29
thinking wow! What's
this all about and that
00:23:40.32\00:23:42.90
was kind of my
introduction to the
00:23:43.04\00:23:44.89
Adventist church,
there was a Christian
00:23:44.92\00:23:46.46
denomination out there.
00:23:46.60\00:23:47.57
They actually
believe these things.
00:23:47.58\00:23:48.94
The amazing
thing was his lease was
00:23:48.98\00:23:50.74
running out in February.
He flew up to our place,
00:23:50.77\00:23:53.36
checked out the
ministry and decided to
00:23:53.55\00:23:55.31
come up. By the
way when his lease was
00:23:55.34\00:23:57.13
running out, he
moved up and then within
00:23:57.17\00:23:59.52
two weeks I had
him overseas if you see
00:23:59.58\00:24:01.03
in some of our mission videos,
00:24:01.06\00:24:02.42
it's hard to find a
camera man, that can
00:24:03.08\00:24:05.27
keep up with us
while we're doing some
00:24:05.45\00:24:06.55
of these overseas
trips. Anyhow how many
00:24:06.58\00:24:08.81
of you have seen
the movie "Fireproof"
00:24:08.84\00:24:10.16
you've seen that.
If you buy it now you
00:24:10.89\00:24:12.55
will find it so, so
bundled with another short
00:24:12.58\00:24:15.02
film award wining
short film called the
00:24:15.08\00:24:16.45
"Cabin 6" and Mike
is the producer of that
00:24:16.50\00:24:19.08
and he produced that when you
00:24:19.49\00:24:20.97
first became a
Christian right Mike.
00:24:21.40\00:24:22.86
Yeah, it was
right about that time
00:24:23.56\00:24:24.53
if you buy it from vision video.
00:24:24.54\00:24:25.72
Anyhow compare by
our booth if you want
00:24:25.87\00:24:27.35
to see some of
Mike's production if you
00:24:27.38\00:24:28.88
probably already
seen it, if you've been
00:24:28.91\00:24:29.88
watching 3ABN and
we also have his whole
00:24:29.89\00:24:32.75
story on a DVD there it's really
00:24:32.78\00:24:34.52
an interesting story to watch.
00:24:34.56\00:24:36.13
Thank you very much. Thank you.
00:24:36.91\00:24:37.88
Good afternoon
again, on behalf of ASI.
00:24:46.75\00:24:49.68
It is my honor and
privilege to bring to the
00:24:49.98\00:24:53.18
platform, the founder of 3ABN,
00:24:53.31\00:24:56.30
Danny Shelton and
the current President Jim
00:24:56.36\00:24:58.62
Gilley. You may
know if you watch GC
00:24:58.65\00:25:01.80
proceeding or if
you're following 3ABN
00:25:01.89\00:25:04.15
history that we
are now celebrating the
00:25:04.19\00:25:06.73
25th Anniversary of
the founding of 3ABN,
00:25:06.86\00:25:10.65
so we want to acknowledge them,
00:25:11.43\00:25:13.46
can we get them
some applause. We want to
00:25:13.55\00:25:16.72
do today is to get a
founder's prospective.
00:25:16.75\00:25:19.00
You all watch
3ABN. You've seen it and
00:25:19.88\00:25:23.22
you probably heard
a lot of things around
00:25:23.32\00:25:24.82
the circuit that
aren't true, and I'd like to
00:25:24.87\00:25:28.30
turn it over to the
President Jim Gilley who
00:25:29.27\00:25:32.74
will introduce
Danny and well, let him
00:25:32.77\00:25:35.70
give us the
founder's prospective
00:25:35.85\00:25:38.05
of the last 25 years of 3ABN.
00:25:38.50\00:25:40.84
You know, to
introduce Danny Shelton that's
00:25:41.51\00:25:44.35
a quite a thing
because probably the two faces,
00:25:44.41\00:25:49.81
and the three faces
that are best known in
00:25:49.87\00:25:52.82
all of Adventism,
are Danny Shelton,
00:25:52.90\00:25:55.38
Mark Finley and
Doug Batchelor and these
00:25:55.44\00:25:58.55
are recognizable
faces, aren't they?
00:25:58.58\00:26:00.74
But I tell you it's
been a fantastic joy
00:26:01.23\00:26:03.64
Camille and I are
beginning our fourth year
00:26:04.17\00:26:06.24
at 3ABN and just a
few weeks and what a
00:26:06.85\00:26:10.93
joy it has been.
The greatest joy in our
00:26:10.97\00:26:14.30
ministry in our
lives and Danny, I think it
00:26:14.36\00:26:18.01
began at 3ABN in a
real way at ASI session
00:26:18.07\00:26:23.34
back in
Montana, is that correct?
00:26:23.49\00:26:25.39
That's where 3ABN
was really catapulted
00:26:25.82\00:26:29.02
and to growing and
growth. I just want
00:26:29.60\00:26:34.00
to say special thank
you to everyone of you,
00:26:34.03\00:26:36.48
all of you ASI members those who
00:26:36.51\00:26:38.89
watching on
television, through radio,
00:26:38.92\00:26:41.04
the Internet for
your love and prayers
00:26:41.29\00:26:43.02
and support of
3ABN. Our goal from the
00:26:43.10\00:26:46.27
beginning the Lord
impressed us in 1984
00:26:46.34\00:26:49.45
to built a television
station that would reach
00:26:49.49\00:26:51.52
the world with an
undiluted 3 Angels
00:26:51.63\00:26:53.38
messages. One
would counteract the
00:26:53.41\00:26:55.49
counterfeit as most
of you know we don't,
00:26:55.52\00:26:57.94
I don't have any
skills, I didn't have an
00:26:58.41\00:27:01.00
education,
didn't have the money,
00:27:01.03\00:27:02.46
didn't have any
thing that I really needed,
00:27:02.49\00:27:03.89
but I want to give
God that I all the honor
00:27:03.96\00:27:06.17
and glory and
praise for everything good
00:27:06.20\00:27:08.77
that's happen. I
take the credit for the
00:27:08.91\00:27:11.32
bad things
because there was good and
00:27:11.40\00:27:13.05
bad everywhere you
go but we will take
00:27:13.24\00:27:14.95
the credit for the
bad but without our
00:27:14.98\00:27:17.94
heavenly father this
couldn't happen but it
00:27:17.97\00:27:19.72
let's us know when
we heard Pastor Finley
00:27:19.75\00:27:21.72
sermon today about
when that tremendous
00:27:21.76\00:27:24.73
sermon to give us
the vision that you know
00:27:24.82\00:27:27.06
where the time. We
heard Elder Wilson's
00:27:27.12\00:27:28.82
sermon. We've heard
from Elder Dan Jackson.
00:27:29.37\00:27:32.22
We see the vision of
these leaders to take
00:27:32.27\00:27:35.91
this undiluted 3
Angels messages into all the
00:27:35.97\00:27:38.35
world and in 1985 I
was invited to go to ASI,
00:27:38.38\00:27:43.80
actually we a
convention in Big sky, Montana.
00:27:45.57\00:27:48.10
I had never, hardly been
out of Southern Illinois.
00:27:48.15\00:27:50.57
I was invited to go,
didn't have the money
00:27:50.93\00:27:52.79
to go so some
people said, we'll pay
00:27:52.82\00:27:54.37
you where to go,
Dale McBride said,
00:27:54.40\00:27:57.30
we will pay you
where to go. I went out,
00:27:57.33\00:27:59.28
I had no plans,
didn't know why I was there
00:27:59.31\00:28:01.59
but people said,
well, you want to be on
00:28:01.62\00:28:03.49
the program or
anything because I
00:28:03.52\00:28:05.06
actually I had a
dream and that's all we
00:28:05.09\00:28:06.83
were building a shell
of a building had some
00:28:06.86\00:28:08.74
property, nothing
else and I remember
00:28:08.84\00:28:11.14
going out there and
a lady named Rosella
00:28:11.17\00:28:13.55
McLaughlin kept taken
me around, introducing
00:28:13.64\00:28:16.18
me to people to May
Chung, Ellesworth McKee,
00:28:16.30\00:28:18.35
a number of people
who eventually came
00:28:18.40\00:28:20.83
on the board began to
be financial supporters,
00:28:20.86\00:28:23.28
prayer warriors,
many of you and that's
00:28:23.31\00:28:26.17
what really caught
the vision but I was
00:28:26.27\00:28:28.18
not supposed to
speak, I had not idea
00:28:28.21\00:28:30.06
that going that I
would ever speak and I
00:28:30.14\00:28:33.23
remember people
kept saying well,
00:28:33.27\00:28:34.58
we want to hear about
this television station
00:28:34.69\00:28:36.85
and someone said,
well, he won't be able
00:28:37.09\00:28:39.78
to speak this year
because of programs
00:28:39.81\00:28:41.94
planned and I
understand that we've
00:28:41.97\00:28:43.41
planned programs
at 3ABN. We have them
00:28:43.47\00:28:45.45
here at ASI and so
that was fine with us.
00:28:45.49\00:28:49.34
We were there,
didn't know what to do,
00:28:49.37\00:28:51.01
and Friday
afternoon in Big Sky, Montana
00:28:51.46\00:28:54.01
some of you,
were any of you there,
00:28:54.04\00:28:55.47
Big Sky back that
far, okay, maybe a few
00:28:55.79\00:28:58.73
of you back that many years ago,
00:28:58.88\00:29:00.86
and so in Big Sky
Friday afternoon it was
00:29:01.33\00:29:03.77
an open day for,
we were 7500 feet up
00:29:03.80\00:29:07.70
into the mountains
and we were supposed
00:29:07.85\00:29:10.15
to do rides and look
over the beautiful area.
00:29:10.18\00:29:12.95
We have free time
and that morning about
00:29:12.98\00:29:15.36
11 o'clock in
morning, the best I can
00:29:15.47\00:29:17.52
remember began
to cloud up and rain
00:29:17.57\00:29:19.70
tremendously and I
remember I was setting
00:29:19.74\00:29:22.21
in a meeting and
someone, I looked over
00:29:22.26\00:29:25.43
the side and I had
made Henry Martin and
00:29:25.46\00:29:27.96
I saw he was
motioning like this and
00:29:27.99\00:29:30.66
so I looked around
and I knew he didn't
00:29:30.72\00:29:33.82
know me, I said it
couldn't be me but it
00:29:33.85\00:29:35.44
looks like he's
looking at me, President Phil
00:29:35.47\00:29:37.63
Winstead was
there. They both were
00:29:37.74\00:29:39.66
motioning and so
I continued to norm,
00:29:39.76\00:29:43.61
I kind of went like
this. They still went like
00:29:43.66\00:29:46.89
this, yes, so I
thought well, what I'll do
00:29:46.95\00:29:48.95
is I'll get up,
I'll walk towards them,
00:29:48.98\00:29:51.02
if they don't say
anything I will just keep
00:29:51.05\00:29:52.86
going like I have go
to bathroom or something.
00:29:52.93\00:29:54.93
So you know I don't
want to be but I'm sure
00:29:54.96\00:29:57.96
they're not talking to
me but they seem like they
00:29:57.99\00:30:00.08
are so when I went
there I will never forget
00:30:00.11\00:30:02.35
Henry Martin said
to me well, you know,
00:30:02.38\00:30:04.37
we were supposed to be
free time this afternoon
00:30:04.40\00:30:06.24
for everybody to go
out and have free time,
00:30:06.27\00:30:09.09
but with this rain and
this storm I've got 200
00:30:09.12\00:30:12.65
or 300 people on my
hands I don't know what
00:30:12.68\00:30:14.41
to do with, could
we impose those words
00:30:14.44\00:30:17.08
Henry used, could we
impose on you to tell your
00:30:17.11\00:30:19.68
story of what God
is doing and raising
00:30:19.71\00:30:22.30
a television network
that will give the 3 Angels
00:30:22.33\00:30:25.98
messages into the
world. And so that little talk
00:30:26.01\00:30:30.60
I listened to it only
recently in the last couple
00:30:31.43\00:30:33.74
of years Dan
Houghton recorded it.
00:30:33.77\00:30:35.83
Dan and his family
were there. They recorded
00:30:36.50\00:30:39.16
a little talk and I
listened to it a couple
00:30:39.19\00:30:41.57
of years ago and I
said to myself, listening
00:30:41.60\00:30:44.39
to all over, knowing
it was only a dream that
00:30:44.42\00:30:47.65
I had if I had been in
a crowd I wouldn't have
00:30:47.68\00:30:49.49
supported me. So
listening to how I talked and
00:30:49.52\00:30:53.29
what I said, so it had
to been the Holy Spirit.
00:30:53.32\00:30:55.67
There is no doubt about
it, but God has a plan and
00:30:55.70\00:30:58.81
he said go into all
the world and I encourage
00:30:58.84\00:31:01.51
that we just continue to
go forward, no matter what,
00:31:01.54\00:31:04.52
the gospel is very simple,
we make it difficult it's
00:31:04.55\00:31:07.61
all about stop and go.
The Lord says go and the devil
00:31:07.64\00:31:10.45
says stop and if we can
understand that it's all
00:31:10.48\00:31:12.74
about come and go.
We come to the foot of
00:31:12.77\00:31:14.74
the cross and go and
tell what he's done for us,
00:31:14.77\00:31:17.54
and just want to thank
the folks all of you here
00:31:17.57\00:31:20.76
especially ASI
because at that meeting I able
00:31:20.79\00:31:23.93
to do that talk,
Dan Houghton made many,
00:31:23.96\00:31:26.09
many copies, people
began to ask they were
00:31:26.12\00:31:28.60
mailing them. We sent
them around the country,
00:31:28.63\00:31:30.48
donations began to
come in, people caught the
00:31:30.51\00:31:33.57
vision of Three Angels
Broadcasting Network and
00:31:33.60\00:31:36.34
I want to credit
ASI where it's due norm
00:31:36.37\00:31:39.65
because of the
tremendous support.
00:31:39.68\00:31:41.33
They've loved this
from the beginning.
00:31:42.07\00:31:43.52
They put us on the
programs, allowed us to.
00:31:43.55\00:31:45.86
You guys have paid
us back ten fold because
00:31:45.89\00:31:48.72
what you do when
you come here to these
00:31:48.75\00:31:50.40
conventions is worth 100 of
00:31:50.43\00:31:53.21
thousands dollars every year.
00:31:53.24\00:31:54.44
It's a real partnership in the,
00:31:56.32\00:31:58.03
Danny we've seen
God do great things.
00:31:58.85\00:32:00.72
You struck out by
faith and we've seen 11
00:32:01.42\00:32:04.44
satellites around the
world, 120 or 130 stations
00:32:04.47\00:32:08.24
here in America, low
power stations which are
00:32:08.27\00:32:11.72
actually some of our
most fruitful outlets for
00:32:11.75\00:32:14.70
baptisms
unbelievable success there.
00:32:14.73\00:32:18.16
But what you really envision
00:32:18.70\00:32:19.97
for the future for 3ABN.
00:32:20.00\00:32:21.54
Well, I will also want
to mention we have over
00:32:22.22\00:32:23.85
a hundred radio
stations and affiliates.
00:32:23.88\00:32:25.94
We are on dish
network, we have stations
00:32:26.46\00:32:28.01
in the Philippines, New
Guinea largest facility,
00:32:28.04\00:32:31.18
protestant
facility in ex-Soviet Union.
00:32:31.21\00:32:33.33
Again we gave the God
the credit for all of that
00:32:33.36\00:32:36.04
because from
starting from nothing but
00:32:36.71\00:32:38.35
it's been you the
people of God who caught the
00:32:38.38\00:32:40.43
vision and supported3ABN
through all of this, but
00:32:40.46\00:32:43.41
all I see is I do it
like we did in the beginning.
00:32:43.44\00:32:46.72
People said, how you
gonna do this, I said,
00:32:46.75\00:32:48.55
I don't know, a guy
told me once just go for it,
00:32:48.58\00:32:50.91
do it like you eat an
elephant one bite at a time,
00:32:50.94\00:32:53.70
yeah, now I would like
to use a vegetarian example,
00:32:53.73\00:32:56.02
but I don't know how to do that.
00:32:56.05\00:32:57.21
So we're talking it one
step at a time but I know
00:32:57.77\00:33:00.32
this that when God
commissions you to do
00:33:00.35\00:33:02.89
something he will
supply your every need.
00:33:02.92\00:33:05.41
So there is no doubt
about it. It is not about us.
00:33:06.00\00:33:07.87
God blesses us in
spite of us. He has me,
00:33:07.90\00:33:10.50
he has you, he
has all of us here.
00:33:10.53\00:33:12.75
He blesses us in spite
of us but I see this working
00:33:13.25\00:33:16.44
together and I see
what I think is a new moment
00:33:16.47\00:33:19.68
of the Holy Spirit
that I really believe that
00:33:19.71\00:33:23.29
we're on the verge of
this latter rain experience.
00:33:23.32\00:33:25.77
It's going to bring
Jesus back to planet earth
00:33:25.80\00:33:28.52
and I'm so thankful
to have a church and to
00:33:28.55\00:33:30.87
have organizations
like ASI that we can partner
00:33:30.90\00:33:33.97
with and join hands.
There was no competition.
00:33:34.00\00:33:36.69
People ask me well,
what about all these years,
00:33:36.72\00:33:38.84
Hope channels up, and
we got all these other
00:33:38.87\00:33:40.80
TV station. I said
the more the merrier.
00:33:40.83\00:33:42.49
There is enough
God has enough pies in
00:33:43.23\00:33:45.12
refrigerator right to
supply the financial needs
00:33:45.15\00:33:48.25
as long as we go
forward and do what God's
00:33:48.28\00:33:50.98
impressed us to do.
So we want to encourage
00:33:51.01\00:33:53.23
each and every one of
you, God impressing you
00:33:53.26\00:33:55.32
to do something big for him.
00:33:55.35\00:33:56.64
Go forward by faith
and he'll bless you.
00:33:56.67\00:33:59.73
God bless you. Thank you, Danny.
00:34:00.49\00:34:01.81
I have with me
this afternoon Adrian
00:34:03.21\00:34:05.18
Bocaneanu, did I get
that about right Adrian.
00:34:05.78\00:34:07.87
Not too good on Romanian today.
00:34:08.94\00:34:10.19
Adrian is the
Director for the Romanian,
00:34:10.22\00:34:13.77
Hope TV. Adrian how
many people are there
00:34:13.80\00:34:17.08
in the country
of Romania that need
00:34:17.11\00:34:18.90
to hear the good news of gospel?
00:34:18.93\00:34:20.44
Twenty one million
and many other Romanians
00:34:21.07\00:34:24.24
living and working in
other countries in Europe,
00:34:24.90\00:34:26.87
especially Spain, Italy,
Germany, France, Belgium.
00:34:26.90\00:34:30.38
So what you're doing
is you're reaching out
00:34:31.34\00:34:32.95
to these people who
need to hear the good
00:34:32.98\00:34:34.90
news of Jesus Christ
and in what ways are you
00:34:34.93\00:34:37.45
reaching out to them?
It just TV or what other?
00:34:37.48\00:34:41.26
First of all, 18 years
ago we started with radio
00:34:41.29\00:34:44.38
and this time the
church owns 40 radio stations
00:34:44.41\00:34:48.39
and we also own time
on other 10 stations.
00:34:48.42\00:34:51.41
But 3 years ago we
also start with television.
00:34:52.03\00:34:54.68
So 3 years ago
you also start on TV.
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How many of the homes
in the country of Romania
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are you reaching into?
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Out of an
estimated 6 million homes
00:35:02.93\00:35:04.89
with the TV set. We
reach almost half of them.
00:35:04.92\00:35:07.80
So almost 3
million homes with the TV.
00:35:08.30\00:35:10.52
Praise the Lord,
isn't that wonderful? The
00:35:11.10\00:35:12.75
God is using Hope TV
in the country of Romania
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to reach at least
be available in about
00:35:17.19\00:35:20.09
half of the homes. Yes.
That is so exciting to see
00:35:20.12\00:35:23.13
what God is doing
there. Besides the Internet.
00:35:23.16\00:35:25.19
Besides the Internet.
Yes. So that would be basically
00:35:26.37\00:35:30.02
almost all the
homes and almost everybody
00:35:30.05\00:35:32.11
has some access to the
Internet at this point.
00:35:32.14\00:35:34.14
Well, so tell me about
what kind of programming
00:35:35.01\00:35:38.22
does the Hope
channel in Romania have?
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Well, we also
support different events into
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church like, let's talk
event which was hosted by
00:35:44.44\00:35:48.93
our studio in
Bucharest we specific television
00:35:48.96\00:35:53.68
programs we of
course we have health,
00:35:53.71\00:35:56.68
we have
education, we have family,
00:35:56.71\00:35:58.68
we have many Bible
based programs and we have
00:35:58.71\00:36:03.51
many live programs
where people can call
00:36:03.54\00:36:06.92
in and ask
questions and receive answers
00:36:06.95\00:36:10.07
while they are watching.
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Now that's a just a
little bit different model then
00:36:13.68\00:36:15.90
most of the programs
here that we see on TV
00:36:15.93\00:36:18.62
in United States.
Live call in programs on TV
00:36:18.65\00:36:23.05
in Romania, how
does that go over?
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Very nice, I could
say they're the back bone
00:36:25.18\00:36:27.83
program of our
station is the weekly 1 hour
00:36:27.86\00:36:31.54
and half program of
Bible questions and answers.
00:36:31.57\00:36:35.00
And most of the
people coming to the church
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they will show I mean
they will mark that as
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being the key
program determining them to
00:36:41.26\00:36:44.00
understand the Bible through
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into make a decision.
Amen. And so thousands
00:36:45.40\00:36:48.85
of people across the
country of Romania are
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watching these
programs and receiving benefit
00:36:51.02\00:36:53.40
and getting
answers to their questions,
00:36:53.43\00:36:55.60
and most a lot of
these programs are produced
00:36:55.63\00:36:57.83
live right there in
your own studio. Yes, yes.
00:36:57.86\00:37:00.35
That is so exciting
now I know that you are not
00:37:00.85\00:37:02.52
reaching just Romania,
tell me outside of the,
00:37:02.55\00:37:05.96
you know, just the
country of Romania,
00:37:05.99\00:37:08.03
some of the outreach
going on in other areas?
00:37:08.06\00:37:10.48
Well, actually the
first person who has been
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baptized as you know
as a result of watching
00:37:14.01\00:37:16.63
our program was
not the Romania proper.
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It was in the
neighboring Republic of Moldova,
00:37:19.40\00:37:21.86
in a less then 1 year of
the starting the programs
00:37:21.89\00:37:25.25
this lady Ludmila was
baptized in Moldova and
00:37:25.28\00:37:29.20
soon after that she
was already a Sabbath
00:37:29.23\00:37:31.75
school teacher. Praise the Lord,
00:37:31.78\00:37:34.41
then the first person
was baptized in Romania
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soon after that his
mother was also baptized and
00:37:40.07\00:37:42.95
now he is working as
a lay evangelist working
00:37:42.98\00:37:46.96
in different companies
and groups and teaching other
00:37:46.99\00:37:50.99
people what he was
taught. You mentioned,
00:37:51.02\00:37:54.71
I should also speak on
some of the first converts.
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Actually 2 years ago
I gave here I mean in
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another location but
also at ASI convention
00:38:02.92\00:38:06.94
I gave a report on the
first baptisms among those
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were a couple in the
Southern part of Romania
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when they got
baptized, they brought with them
00:38:13.66\00:38:16.23
two other persons
who they prepared to be
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baptized while
they were baptized.
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Now I think you
some slides on this.
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We want to just flip
those graphics right now.
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Yeah, so the first baptisms.
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And let just take a look.
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In that, this is a
part of the group which was
00:38:31.37\00:38:34.52
raised by this couple in
a village in the Southern
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part of Romania
where you're not having
00:38:37.99\00:38:40.61
Adventist. Soon after
that they began having
00:38:40.64\00:38:45.29
meeting in a
private home and then
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began building a
church. Praise the Lord.
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Yeah. And now we have a
new church in that place
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where you will
see it immediately.
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A new church in that
place most of the people
00:38:57.26\00:39:00.46
have been baptized
as a result of watching
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our station. So about
10 or 12 baptized members,
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praise the Lord, so
this is the church and they,
00:39:07.33\00:39:09.45
every Sabbath they
have 30, they have 40,
00:39:10.28\00:39:12.46
45 people attending
the meetings in new church.
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It's so exciting to see
how God uses even simple
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means to begin a work
in an area where there
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was no work before.
That's exciting and I
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know that's not
the end of the story.
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Share with us
another story of someone who
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has been impacted by
the Hope TV in Romania.
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So many Romanians work
and live outside of Romania,
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and I share a story
about people from Italy.
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In the Southern
Italy, in the city of Napoli,
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there is a family
attending for about 1 year in
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other Christian
denomination and so they
00:39:49.21\00:39:51.91
decided to be
baptized. On the day of their
00:39:51.94\00:39:54.86
baptism they drove
to the church but they
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couldn't find the
church. They have been attending
00:39:59.07\00:40:01.95
that church for
almost 1 year and now
00:40:01.98\00:40:03.98
they can't find it. So.
So, they've been to this
00:40:04.01\00:40:06.99
church before. Yes, of course.
00:40:07.02\00:40:08.80
And they know where it was.
00:40:08.83\00:40:09.80
Of course, for 1
year. And they were trying
00:40:09.81\00:40:10.90
to find the church,
and they can't find it.
00:40:10.93\00:40:12.80
They can't find it, 2
or 3 hours of. You know,
00:40:12.83\00:40:15.73
so they returned
home very disappointed but
00:40:15.76\00:40:18.47
at same time thinking
there should be something
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about it, so they
began praying to learn what
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was the reason, in the
mean time they continued
00:40:25.38\00:40:28.10
to read the Bible and
their attention was drawn
00:40:28.13\00:40:30.65
to the truth of the
Sabbath and the other truth
00:40:30.68\00:40:33.64
which were not taught
in that denomination, Amen,
00:40:33.67\00:40:36.45
and soon after
that they stumbled upon
00:40:36.48\00:40:38.91
Esperanza TV and
they got the response
00:40:38.94\00:40:41.93
to their prayers. Now
they attend the church
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and they are getting
ready to be baptized.
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About the same time
in the city of Rome,
00:40:46.83\00:40:49.32
there is a family who
have attended for 14 years
00:40:49.35\00:40:52.41
meeting of the
Jehovah witnesses but they
00:40:52.44\00:40:55.20
continue to read
the Bible and they come
00:40:55.23\00:40:57.24
to conviction that
Sabbath, I mean that Jesus
00:40:57.27\00:41:00.87
is God in the
true sense of the word.
00:41:01.58\00:41:04.30
Just like the
Bible says. Yeah, sure,
00:41:04.33\00:41:05.73
so they began
attending another Christian
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denomination which
teaches the full deity of Christ
00:41:08.64\00:41:13.13
but in that church
they were discussing
00:41:13.78\00:41:16.26
questions on the Sabbath.
The elders of the church
00:41:16.29\00:41:20.05
gave some soothing
answers but they were not
00:41:20.08\00:41:24.38
happy about that,
about that time while they
00:41:24.41\00:41:28.45
were praying for more truth.
00:41:28.48\00:41:30.48
They bought a TV dish
to catch some Romanian
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programs, so on that
the husband is on the roof
00:41:34.38\00:41:38.10
of the house trying to
catch a Romanian program.
00:41:38.13\00:41:41.95
And the first program
they catch is Esperanza
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TV they watch
and they were amazed,
00:41:44.94\00:41:49.31
these are answers
to their prayers, Amen,
00:41:49.34\00:41:52.75
and now they attend
the church and maybe
00:41:52.78\00:41:55.35
at this time
they're already baptized.
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Praise the Lord.
What a blessing to know
00:41:57.46\00:41:59.57
how God is using
media around the world
00:41:59.60\00:42:01.68
to accomplish his
work. How can the people
00:42:01.71\00:42:04.37
here today help with what's
00:42:04.40\00:42:06.28
happening at channel in Romania.
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Well, they have
already helped us because
00:42:08.18\00:42:09.53
ASI from North America
has been very influential
00:42:09.56\00:42:14.45
in the establishment
and the right direction for
00:42:14.48\00:42:17.98
the ASI chapter
in Romania and they
00:42:18.01\00:42:21.09
are some of our
best supporters and
00:42:21.12\00:42:23.88
contributors, so
they're already done their part
00:42:23.91\00:42:28.94
but in a few
months from now we will be
00:42:28.97\00:42:31.80
organizing a met
type event for the whole
00:42:31.83\00:42:34.93
territory of Romania
and the other places both
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in Romanian and Hungarian.
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And so your
prayers are very important,
00:42:40.52\00:42:42.49
very preciously to
us. Thank you so much,
00:42:42.52\00:42:44.82
Adrian for joining
us today and sharing
00:42:44.85\00:42:46.61
what's happening
in Romanian Hope TV.
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Thank you very much.
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I have with me this afternoon,
00:42:50.64\00:42:51.83
Mike and Diana
Halverson and they are with
00:42:52.42\00:42:55.18
Cross to Crown radio
which is a ministry that
00:42:55.21\00:42:59.09
they have been working
in for a number of years
00:42:59.12\00:43:01.38
at this point but Mike
what you do for a living?
00:43:02.22\00:43:04.41
My wife and I are
general contractors,
00:43:05.23\00:43:07.08
and that was our
living and that's been
00:43:07.62\00:43:10.10
our living for about since 1980.
00:43:10.13\00:43:12.21
Now general
contractor in radio, somehow
00:43:13.17\00:43:16.42
I don't see the
connection yet but I'm sure
00:43:16.45\00:43:18.44
we'll see that in a
minute. How God get you
00:43:18.47\00:43:21.35
on to radio, so how did you get
00:43:21.55\00:43:23.76
interested in
mission work, Mike?
00:43:23.79\00:43:25.36
Well, in 1997, my
dad invited me to go to
00:43:26.27\00:43:32.72
Nicaragua.
Nicaragua has had a civil war
00:43:32.75\00:43:36.68
and it tore up the
country, my dad started missions
00:43:37.67\00:43:41.28
there in 1970 and at
that time the war had tore
00:43:41.31\00:43:46.43
everything apart
and he invited us to go
00:43:46.46\00:43:48.85
in along with 30, I
think it was about 32 people
00:43:48.88\00:43:52.77
there and with
doctors and nurses and
00:43:52.80\00:43:55.69
I was fortunate
to be one of them
00:43:55.72\00:43:57.64
and started there.
Okay, Diana how did
00:43:57.67\00:44:00.95
that kind of
get transferred into
00:44:00.98\00:44:03.42
an interest in radio?
Well, we were living there,
00:44:03.45\00:44:07.53
our family was living
in the jungle at that time
00:44:07.56\00:44:09.45
with our sons and
while we were there was
00:44:09.48\00:44:12.09
group of Indians
came to us they took them
00:44:12.12\00:44:14.13
they said days trying
to find us. They said that
00:44:14.16\00:44:16.29
God had been to their village.
00:44:16.32\00:44:17.76
Didn't know who they were?
00:44:17.79\00:44:19.04
They thought
that God didn't know
00:44:20.31\00:44:21.73
where their village
was? That's exactly right.
00:44:21.76\00:44:24.63
They thought
he'd never been there
00:44:24.66\00:44:25.63
and did know who they were?
00:44:25.64\00:44:26.61
Wow! So they wanted to know if,
00:44:28.28\00:44:30.62
since we were
missionaries if we talked to God
00:44:30.65\00:44:32.87
and invite him to
come see where they live
00:44:32.90\00:44:35.27
because they are having
problems with witchcraft,
00:44:35.30\00:44:36.81
lot of sickness and
they had heard there was God,
00:44:36.84\00:44:40.45
they was bigger and they wanted
00:44:40.73\00:44:41.92
to know if we
could just talk to him.
00:44:41.95\00:44:43.10
So as God began to talk to you,
00:44:44.15\00:44:46.18
he gave you an idea
and what was that idea?
00:44:47.64\00:44:49.14
I said, Mike, let's
start a radio station.
00:44:49.85\00:44:52.38
Now Mike, just a
minute. I know that you're a
00:44:52.41\00:44:54.27
builder and that
would come easy to you to
00:44:54.30\00:44:56.24
start a radio station
but why was it a problem
00:44:56.27\00:44:59.12
not just to go this
why could you go to this
00:44:59.15\00:45:01.63
village where
these people are from?
00:45:01.66\00:45:02.73
Well, you know a
radio station costs money,
00:45:03.39\00:45:06.47
I mean takes a lot of
money to build a radio station
00:45:06.50\00:45:09.12
and we are talking
about something very remote
00:45:09.15\00:45:11.45
way out in the
jungle of Nicaragua.
00:45:11.96\00:45:13.92
How long to take to
get to this little village?
00:45:13.95\00:45:15.34
Well, to this particular
village Diana's talking
00:45:15.37\00:45:18.27
about it took 9
hours by Dugout Canoe.
00:45:18.30\00:45:21.10
Oh, I see, little
problem Big problem, so radio
00:45:21.82\00:45:25.04
seem to be a good
answer but yet I hear
00:45:25.07\00:45:27.45
you resisting to
radio what did God have to
00:45:27.48\00:45:29.35
do before you kind a
get on board with this?
00:45:29.38\00:45:31.70
Well, you know, my
ignorance came real
00:45:31.73\00:45:35.76
evident there. I
said, you know it's going
00:45:35.79\00:45:39.63
to take at least
$10,000 to start this
00:45:39.66\00:45:42.70
radio station. And I thought.
00:45:42.73\00:45:45.41
And that was
good beginning anyway,
00:45:45.44\00:45:46.41
wasn't it? Well, I told Diana.
00:45:46.42\00:45:47.51
We don't have $10,000
to start a radio station.
00:45:48.55\00:45:51.16
He was just mowing the
yard and said don't even
00:45:52.74\00:45:54.40
bother me. It's not
going to happen and my
00:45:54.43\00:45:56.18
phone rang and I
checked and there was a
00:45:56.21\00:45:58.89
message saying that
this, to come by the
00:45:58.92\00:46:01.39
doctor's office. Give
them a call like that,
00:46:01.42\00:46:02.97
I had never been
there before so I called and
00:46:03.00\00:46:05.62
they showed me how to
get there and I showed up
00:46:05.65\00:46:07.60
and before I
left my husband said,
00:46:08.92\00:46:10.48
yeah right it's
going to be $10,000,
00:46:10.51\00:46:12.15
anyway I went
there and they hand me
00:46:13.06\00:46:14.80
an awful lot, said it
was for the radio station
00:46:14.83\00:46:16.43
and you'd not
started it, we had no budget
00:46:16.46\00:46:18.75
for it and I am like
wow! This must be an answer
00:46:18.78\00:46:21.32
to prayer and I
opened it and I about cried,
00:46:21.35\00:46:25.01
I was there, what was
it for? $10,000 dollars,
00:46:25.04\00:46:27.60
praise the Lord,
somebody that had know idea
00:46:27.63\00:46:29.11
we even needed it and
I when back I told her
00:46:29.14\00:46:32.09
I said this is a
miracle and she said,
00:46:32.12\00:46:35.38
well first I wrote
for $3500 but God told me
00:46:35.41\00:46:37.54
to change it to $10,000, Amen,
00:46:37.57\00:46:39.58
so I went home
and Mike said yeah
00:46:40.21\00:46:41.51
what was it
$10,000 I said, Yeah.
00:46:41.54\00:46:43.53
It's exciting to see
how God works so you're not
00:46:46.78\00:46:48.77
radio people but God
is working on you to start
00:46:48.80\00:46:51.01
a radio station.
Mike, did you run into any
00:46:51.04\00:46:53.90
difficulties as
you're doing that?
00:46:53.93\00:46:55.27
One difficulty
right after another,
00:46:55.30\00:46:58.38
you can't just praying
a tower into the country,
00:46:59.07\00:47:01.74
you can't just
walk through customs and
00:47:01.77\00:47:06.45
think it's gonna to
work. It was a huge challenge
00:47:06.48\00:47:09.92
and then not having
the knowledge to put
00:47:10.61\00:47:13.45
a radio station
together was unreal.
00:47:13.48\00:47:15.22
But God strengthen
your faith thought that,
00:47:16.29\00:47:18.06
didn't he? Oh, you
know what he is still
00:47:18.09\00:47:23.07
strengthening
my faith day by day
00:47:23.10\00:47:24.69
and I'm trusting him to keep,
00:47:25.42\00:47:27.21
keep me there
because I still don't know
00:47:28.78\00:47:31.10
a whole lot but I
know a little bit and
00:47:31.80\00:47:34.40
he makes up the
rest. So right now in the
00:47:34.43\00:47:37.98
jungles of Nicaragua
where takes a full day of travel
00:47:38.01\00:47:41.78
to go to the nearest
place where you can get
00:47:42.53\00:47:44.00
fuel and returned with fuel.
00:47:44.03\00:47:46.12
There is a radio station,
there is no electricity,
00:47:46.69\00:47:49.12
no running water,
there is a radio station
00:47:49.15\00:47:50.53
there operating on
what kind of power, Mike?
00:47:50.56\00:47:53.91
Well, to start with
it was a 20 KW diesel of
00:47:54.46\00:47:57.97
generator which took a
lot of fuel but now the
00:47:58.00\00:48:01.73
miracle happened this
last fall. Somebody name
00:48:01.76\00:48:04.80
Norman called and said
I have some solar panels
00:48:04.83\00:48:10.33
you might be interested
in, and those solar panels
00:48:10.36\00:48:14.36
are now upon that
radio station putting out
00:48:14.39\00:48:17.00
approximately 50
amps which is the power
00:48:17.03\00:48:20.85
that we need to
run this radio station.
00:48:20.88\00:48:22.96
Amen, can you say
Hallelujah to that, Amen!
00:48:22.99\00:48:26.19
Well, so we have an
operating radio station,
00:48:26.22\00:48:28.07
lets just run a few
of those photos there as
00:48:28.10\00:48:30.18
we're talking about
this, and you can see some
00:48:31.37\00:48:34.33
of the children
there in the villages.
00:48:34.36\00:48:35.92
These are Miskito
Indian children and they don't
00:48:35.95\00:48:39.09
even speak English. So Diana,
00:48:39.12\00:48:41.44
what is your burden
for the women there?
00:48:41.47\00:48:43.53
Tell me how the
radio's been ministering
00:48:43.56\00:48:45.11
to these women?
Well, my passion to
00:48:45.14\00:48:47.05
began with even before
the radio was the women,
00:48:47.08\00:48:49.24
because they're really
having a hard time there,
00:48:49.68\00:48:51.93
the women my age
approximately they
00:48:51.96\00:48:54.28
can't read, they
don't know Spanish like the
00:48:54.31\00:48:57.16
younger kids and the
men do so they'd never
00:48:57.19\00:49:00.38
read the Bible.
They don't understand it.
00:49:00.41\00:49:02.34
When somebody tries to
read it to them in Spanish,
00:49:02.37\00:49:03.97
but on the radio
station we have found the Bible
00:49:04.58\00:49:07.53
in Miskito only the
New Testament, Amen,
00:49:07.56\00:49:09.97
and when we play
that I can walk through
00:49:10.54\00:49:12.52
the village and I can
see women hurdling around
00:49:12.55\00:49:15.07
these little radios
just hurdling big groups
00:49:15.10\00:49:17.89
of them just
trying to listen because
00:49:17.92\00:49:19.32
this is a Bible
that they can understand.
00:49:19.35\00:49:21.22
Here is a
picture. Let pause that one
00:49:21.25\00:49:22.56
right there. You
see that on the screen
00:49:22.59\00:49:24.28
that's a little
radio. Mike hold that radio
00:49:24.31\00:49:26.80
up so the folks and
see an example of that.
00:49:26.83\00:49:28.44
There is a Galcom
radio, it set on our frequency
00:49:29.14\00:49:31.48
and this is what
they receive. They have,
00:49:32.53\00:49:34.16
we have a captive
audience with this radio.
00:49:35.00\00:49:37.00
Amen. Isn't God
good? Now, I know that all
00:49:37.79\00:49:42.39
the villagers in the
jungle we can walk to all
00:49:42.42\00:49:44.67
of those villages
because I've been there
00:49:44.70\00:49:46.31
and I understand the
difficulty in getting
00:49:46.34\00:49:48.04
to some of these
places. So how do we get
00:49:48.07\00:49:50.07
these radios
into these villages?
00:49:50.10\00:49:51.57
Diana, what do you
have? I have a parachute.
00:49:52.74\00:49:54.86
A parachute. And
what we do with that?
00:49:54.89\00:49:57.57
We tie it to the
radio. We tie it to the radio,
00:49:57.60\00:50:00.23
and how do you get the
parachute over village?
00:50:00.26\00:50:03.56
Well, there is a
little medical airplane that
00:50:04.15\00:50:06.70
said that he would
be happy to just keep
00:50:06.73\00:50:08.43
this stocked in his
plane and every time he flies
00:50:08.46\00:50:10.22
over the small
villages he will drop them out.
00:50:10.25\00:50:12.62
Amen. Isn't God
good? So what would,
00:50:13.37\00:50:19.02
if someone was interested
in getting some radios
00:50:19.05\00:50:21.36
into some of these villages.
00:50:21.39\00:50:22.48
What does it
take to get, you know,
00:50:22.51\00:50:24.47
a radio on a parachute
and attend to a village?
00:50:24.50\00:50:26.87
Less than a
dollar. Less than a dollar.
00:50:27.88\00:50:29.36
Praise the Lord,
Amen, there is hundreds
00:50:29.62\00:50:31.98
of these little
villages down along the rivers
00:50:32.01\00:50:33.83
and in the
remote jungle areas of
00:50:33.86\00:50:36.11
Northern
Nicaragua and also in the
00:50:36.14\00:50:38.97
Southern
Honduras. How far out does
00:50:39.00\00:50:41.05
this radio station reach anyway.
00:50:41.08\00:50:42.54
Approximately 100
miles we're getting reports
00:50:43.07\00:50:46.15
back. Little hand
written notes come back into us,
00:50:46.18\00:50:49.08
day by day they filter into us.
00:50:49.11\00:50:51.58
So you must have a lot of power
00:50:52.24\00:50:53.36
to get out of 100
miles. We have a big some
00:50:53.39\00:50:55.92
of probably 500
watts. Now, wait a minute.
00:50:55.95\00:50:58.56
500 watts does not
go a hundred miles.
00:50:58.59\00:51:00.43
It does in Nicaragua.
It does when the angels
00:51:01.32\00:51:03.63
push it out there,
right. Iisn't it exciting to see
00:51:03.66\00:51:07.36
how God is working
through our simple affords,
00:51:07.39\00:51:09.97
so not trained
radio people but God put
00:51:10.96\00:51:13.16
a burden on your
heart. What would you say
00:51:13.19\00:51:14.41
to somebody today
if God was encouraging
00:51:14.44\00:51:17.28
them to get
involved in something that
00:51:17.31\00:51:18.80
was challenging for
them? I say go for it.
00:51:18.83\00:51:21.36
I say if God can
use me he can use you.
00:51:21.82\00:51:24.95
And if it something
you don't understand part
00:51:26.05\00:51:27.91
of ASI is a lot
of different people,
00:51:27.94\00:51:30.03
with a lot of
different talents and a lot of
00:51:30.06\00:51:31.85
networking and if it
weren't for all the networking
00:51:31.88\00:51:34.43
we would not able to
be doing what we're doing
00:51:34.46\00:51:36.47
now because God knew
to keep us all humble
00:51:36.50\00:51:39.02
we need to work with each other.
00:51:39.05\00:51:40.30
Now I know that you
got to have programming
00:51:41.31\00:51:43.93
and there is not
programming in the Miskito
00:51:43.96\00:51:46.11
language beside you
found a Bible you can
00:51:46.14\00:51:47.69
play on the air. So how
you creating programming
00:51:47.72\00:51:50.30
in the Miskito
language? The Symbian software
00:51:50.33\00:51:53.80
is what we
started with and if any
00:51:53.83\00:51:56.43
broadcasters are,
I'm sure there is a lot
00:51:56.46\00:51:58.88
out there but
Symbian software is what we
00:51:58.91\00:52:01.91
use and it's pre-recorded
but we also have equipment
00:52:01.94\00:52:06.12
to record in the
studio. So you're creating
00:52:06.15\00:52:08.32
programs in your
studio there in the jungles?
00:52:08.35\00:52:10.92
Right, right, in their language.
00:52:10.95\00:52:12.48
So who creates those programs?
00:52:12.95\00:52:14.01
Well, the local
Pastors have come to us
00:52:14.04\00:52:15.71
and they said, we
want to work on your radio.
00:52:15.74\00:52:17.39
Oh, praise the Lord.
And yeah, but we like
00:52:18.15\00:52:19.81
all you know it's
only be Adventist message
00:52:19.84\00:52:21.65
but we'll let you
read the Bible verses and
00:52:21.68\00:52:24.21
we let you have
some prayers and the
00:52:24.24\00:52:26.13
Catholic priest
said but I want more and
00:52:26.16\00:52:28.47
I said well, take
this Steps to Christ in
00:52:28.50\00:52:30.65
Miskito home, go
over it and you can have
00:52:30.68\00:52:33.55
that program so
now the Catholic priest
00:52:33.58\00:52:35.28
is the on that does
the devotions everyday
00:52:35.31\00:52:37.74
through Steps to Christ.
00:52:37.77\00:52:39.02
You know the
interesting thing is,
00:52:41.66\00:52:43.31
God has ways to get
things done that we can't
00:52:44.74\00:52:47.18
even imagine. True that.
Amen. So if God is working
00:52:47.21\00:52:51.37
on your heart
today, maybe you know one
00:52:51.40\00:52:53.54
of the needs of this
ministry is that they
00:52:53.57\00:52:56.19
need someone down
that help them run this
00:52:56.22\00:52:57.90
radio station. Maybe
there's somebody here
00:52:57.93\00:53:00.06
today that's feeling
a burden to go to work
00:53:00.09\00:53:01.63
for God and maybe
the jungles of Nicaragua
00:53:01.66\00:53:04.27
calling to you. So if
God is speaking to you
00:53:04.30\00:53:07.21
stop by and see, Mike
and Diana at their booth
00:53:07.24\00:53:08.95
and let them know that
you're a willing helper.
00:53:08.98\00:53:11.39
Booth 1009 I'm looking
forward to talking to you.
00:53:12.19\00:53:14.52
Thank you so much for
coming Mike and Diana.
00:53:15.64\00:53:17.43
Good afternoon. Good
afternoon. How are you?
00:53:20.92\00:53:22.98
I am doing
wonderful. We're talking,
00:53:23.39\00:53:24.78
talking about media today.
00:53:24.81\00:53:26.20
Don is here from what ministry?
00:53:26.82\00:53:29.07
Well, I'm from Amazing Facts.
00:53:29.96\00:53:31.46
Well, now Amazing
Facts is deeply involved
00:53:32.42\00:53:34.83
in ministry but
today we want to talk
00:53:34.86\00:53:36.30
a little bit specifically
about their involvement
00:53:36.33\00:53:39.73
in what
happening on the Internet
00:53:39.76\00:53:41.41
in the world wide web?
Yes, the world wide web,
00:53:41.44\00:53:43.72
we have over 20
different websites and
00:53:43.75\00:53:47.06
it's growing everyday, you know,
00:53:47.09\00:53:48.56
a couple of years
ago there was a conflict
00:53:48.59\00:53:50.77
in a certain part of
the Former Soviet Union
00:53:50.80\00:53:53.33
and the first thing
they did was to attack
00:53:53.36\00:53:55.32
all the websites on
the Internet because
00:53:55.35\00:53:57.28
so many people are
going there for information.
00:53:57.31\00:53:59.17
So tell me a little
bit what's an example
00:54:00.54\00:54:02.80
of website that
Amazing Facts manages that
00:54:02.83\00:54:05.90
is of interest to
the general population
00:54:05.93\00:54:07.99
of our world today?
Well, you can put one
00:54:08.02\00:54:10.36
of those up on the
screen, the first one is
00:54:10.39\00:54:11.85
like our flagship
website that gives all kinds
00:54:11.88\00:54:15.53
of information. It
gives resources, it catalogs
00:54:15.56\00:54:19.02
almost all the
sermons and all the lessons,
00:54:19.05\00:54:21.42
that go all the way
back to the founding
00:54:21.45\00:54:23.36
of amazing facts with
Joe Crews, and they are
00:54:23.39\00:54:25.61
all there free of
charge, so on that first
00:54:25.64\00:54:28.19
website you can
access just about anything,
00:54:28.22\00:54:31.46
and you know the
interesting thing is if you
00:54:31.49\00:54:32.99
have a friend that
wants to take Bible studies
00:54:33.02\00:54:35.25
or wants to learn
more about a certain Bible
00:54:35.28\00:54:36.93
doctrine, you can
go right there on the
00:54:36.96\00:54:38.65
website or you can
send a link by your
00:54:38.68\00:54:40.48
e-mail and they can
look right at it right
00:54:40.51\00:54:42.54
then and there. So
you have a website that's
00:54:42.57\00:54:45.45
our regular website
then we have specific
00:54:45.48\00:54:47.29
ones like for instance
one that you just saw deals
00:54:47.32\00:54:50.00
with Sabbath truth.
Sabbathtruth.com and
00:54:50.03\00:54:53.40
again you have
questions about the Sabbath.
00:54:53.43\00:54:56.02
What is the Sabbath,
why should we keep it,
00:54:56.05\00:54:57.78
what are the
objections that I might have
00:54:58.45\00:54:59.85
or maybe someone
you're studying with they
00:54:59.88\00:55:01.65
say well look I don't
know if I believe what
00:55:01.68\00:55:04.69
your saying and I have
this question you could
00:55:04.72\00:55:06.74
pull up a DVD or a
video and you could send
00:55:06.77\00:55:09.16
that link to your
friend that you can
00:55:09.19\00:55:10.89
watch it with
them. You know, actually
00:55:10.92\00:55:12.49
that happened to me I
was doing Bible studies
00:55:12.52\00:55:14.02
with an individual and
came to a topic that he
00:55:14.05\00:55:17.26
didn't see eye
to eye with me on.
00:55:17.29\00:55:19.42
And so I went to the
website of Amazing Facts
00:55:20.02\00:55:22.85
and I said I've got to
get some more information
00:55:22.88\00:55:24.88
here for myself. And
so I used it just like you
00:55:24.91\00:55:27.78
are saying that's
so exciting that those
00:55:27.81\00:55:29.19
are available. What's
the most used website?
00:55:29.22\00:55:31.50
Kind of hard to say
the most use website but
00:55:31.53\00:55:34.95
I know that from that
last year to this year
00:55:36.12\00:55:37.93
we've had 4.5 million
hits or visits to our website
00:55:37.96\00:55:42.47
and many times the most
asked questions are about
00:55:42.50\00:55:45.63
two things; number
1, Daniel 7 and 666,
00:55:45.66\00:55:48.93
everybody seems to
be interested in that,
00:55:48.96\00:55:50.61
all kinds of people
are interested in that.
00:55:51.23\00:55:52.71
Number 2, the
Sabbath and number 3, health.
00:55:52.74\00:55:55.69
People are
interested in those things,
00:55:56.30\00:55:57.51
they come to the
websites because of those things
00:55:57.54\00:55:59.20
and they want
answers and you know it's
00:55:59.23\00:56:02.41
exciting to see how
people are using these
00:56:02.44\00:56:05.22
websites in their
own personal witness but
00:56:05.25\00:56:07.43
it also exciting to
see what happens when they
00:56:07.46\00:56:09.21
come even to our ministry.
I give you one example,
00:56:09.24\00:56:12.42
recently in a small
training class that I do in the
00:56:14.12\00:56:16.53
school there at Amazing
Facts called AFCOE to Go.
00:56:16.56\00:56:18.52
There were four
people that showed up and
00:56:19.05\00:56:21.48
it was obvious to
me that they maybe have
00:56:21.51\00:56:24.40
heard the Adventist
message but they hadn't
00:56:24.43\00:56:25.79
heard all of, and it
looked like they had a little
00:56:25.82\00:56:28.04
bit you know
they were decked out,
00:56:28.07\00:56:29.55
not decked in if
you know what I mean,
00:56:29.58\00:56:31.29
and they were there
and I could just see man,
00:56:31.32\00:56:34.98
God has brought
these people and there
00:56:35.01\00:56:36.50
was the conviction
of the spirit in them
00:56:36.53\00:56:37.65
and then one of the
my, I finally ask him
00:56:37.68\00:56:39.76
I said so how long
have you been in the
00:56:39.79\00:56:41.97
Seventh-Day
Adventist? They said well,
00:56:42.00\00:56:43.22
I am not I just, I
just came on the Internet
00:56:43.25\00:56:45.78
and I believe
this, this and this,
00:56:45.81\00:56:47.70
and I realized this
was the first time they
00:56:47.73\00:56:49.02
had met a Seventh-Day Adventist.
00:56:49.05\00:56:50.44
So it terrified me
because it was me they
00:56:50.47\00:56:51.94
have met. But then secondly,
00:56:51.97\00:56:55.11
I just realized the
Spirit was moving in their life
00:56:55.14\00:56:57.39
you know and all
of that have been done
00:56:57.42\00:56:59.39
through like I like to
call the website the air
00:57:00.20\00:57:02.29
force of the ministry.
The air force in other words
00:57:02.32\00:57:05.25
aerial. One of the
interesting websites
00:57:05.28\00:57:07.80
we now put up is
our flagship website,
00:57:07.83\00:57:10.63
the amazing facts web
site where you can get
00:57:10.66\00:57:12.17
all these
resources, has recently been
00:57:12.20\00:57:14.23
translated into
Chinese and there was a
00:57:14.26\00:57:17.71
business man in
some part of the China.
00:57:18.55\00:57:20.17
He went to that
website and he was looking
00:57:20.20\00:57:22.02
at all the resources
and all the materials and
00:57:22.05\00:57:23.02
he said this is
great but he couldn't find
00:57:23.63\00:57:25.51
a Seventh-Day
Adventist in China.
00:57:25.54\00:57:26.84
So what he did? So he
said, man I've got it,
00:57:28.06\00:57:29.95
I need to go to
America, so he came and he
00:57:30.65\00:57:32.65
flew to America and
he came and he knocked
00:57:32.68\00:57:34.84
on the door of
the church and he met,
00:57:34.87\00:57:36.90
I think it was Mike
Thomson one of the Pastors
00:57:37.47\00:57:38.75
there and said look
I've been at your website.
00:57:38.78\00:57:40.90
I believe you know
about the scriptures
00:57:40.93\00:57:43.20
and I believe about
salvation, I believe about
00:57:43.23\00:57:45.13
the second coming, I
believe about the sanctuary,
00:57:45.16\00:57:46.89
I believe about
the state of the death,
00:57:46.92\00:57:48.02
I believe about
the spirit of prophecy,
00:57:48.05\00:57:49.26
by the way is Ellen
White here and can I talk
00:57:49.29\00:57:51.88
to her and I
believe about the remnant
00:57:51.91\00:57:54.45
church and it was
obvious that the Lord have
00:57:54.48\00:57:56.85
been working in
their life and that said,
00:57:56.88\00:57:58.14
he said look I
came from one reason,
00:57:58.17\00:57:59.43
I need to get
baptized, Amen, yeah,
00:57:59.46\00:58:02.08
flew all the way
over he got baptized
00:58:02.11\00:58:03.80
and now he flew back.
Oh, praise the Lord. So
00:58:03.83\00:58:06.60
that's what we call
long distance baptism, right?
00:58:07.88\00:58:10.18
Yes, I mean praise the Lord.
00:58:10.84\00:58:11.89
It's so exciting to
see how God is working with
00:58:13.36\00:58:14.83
these things, you
know, these folks today Don,
00:58:14.86\00:58:18.10
they're gonna
go to home tonight.
00:58:18.13\00:58:19.30
Unfortunately ASI
is going to be over and
00:58:19.77\00:58:21.45
they're going go to
home. What kind they
00:58:21.48\00:58:23.10
do when they go
home? Well, if you have an
00:58:23.13\00:58:27.79
Internet device we
can always be with you.
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How many folks
have internet device?
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Raise your hand.
Okay, be tell the truth now.
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Yeah. How many be have two?
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Yeah, that's what I thought.
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About 79 percent of
Americans access the web
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and 88 percent of
that, 79 percent are going
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there for information,
and so if that's true with
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you then it's
probably to with your friends
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or even your
enemies or those who want to
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reach and we were
just talking that you know
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if we have a
million Adventists in North
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American division and
500,000 of them decided
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to send how many it
was a 20 emails a week.
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If you don't how to do
that, ask your children.
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