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Conflicting Realities

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Participants: Frank Fournier

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Program Code: OTR000747


01:00 I want to introduce to you Chelsea Jordan.
01:03 She was our site coordinator
01:04 for the Hurst Seventh-Day Adventist Church.
01:07 Now you have to understand that
01:08 Hurst Seventh-Day Adventist Church
01:10 has about 60 members attending.
01:12 But, Chelsea, when you did your first training class,
01:15 how many people showed up?
01:18 You know, we're always talking about
01:19 how we want to get church members involved.
01:21 Tell us how many of those 60 members showed up?
01:24 Well, we actually had over 70.
01:26 So we had to do two training classes,
01:28 one in the morning and one in the afternoon,
01:29 so praise the Lord.
01:32 Now we don't know we are the 70.
01:33 Well, actually there was another church
01:35 about 5 minutes away that sent 14 of their members.
01:38 But if you do your math,
01:40 over 90% of the Hurst's Church members
01:42 participated in the training program.
01:44 Amen? Amen.
01:46 Now we all are members of some church.
01:50 And when these events happen in our church,
01:54 this is a...
01:56 Well, inspiration, I guess for us to make sure
02:00 that we attend those training classes.
02:02 Now with Chelsea is Kathy Bell.
02:06 And they're going to share their testimony.
02:11 Right. I have with me Kathy Bell.
02:13 And, Kathy, why don't you tell me
02:15 a little bit about how we met?
02:16 Why don't you explain how we met?
02:17 Okay.
02:19 About eight months ago, you came to the sister church
02:21 that I was a part
02:22 or that I was visiting, actually.
02:24 And it was potluck, and I was sitting alone,
02:26 eating because it was towards the end of the meal.
02:28 And you had already made
02:29 all your introductions to the members,
02:31 and you came and sat down with me.
02:33 And I immediately began pumping you for information,
02:36 and you were just there trying to get people to sign up
02:38 for your training.
02:39 I did. Okay.
02:41 So let me describe what she's saying here.
02:43 Kathy signed up for the training class.
02:45 Now, Kathy, were you a member
02:47 of the Seventh-day Adventist Church at the time?
02:48 No. No.
02:50 So here I had a non-member signing up to come,
02:52 learn how to give Bible studies to non-members.
02:55 So it's very interesting.
02:57 So, Kathy,
02:58 tell me what did you find from the training class
03:01 that you told me was different from what you had seen before?
03:05 Well, obviously I realized I didn't know
03:07 what I was doing there, right away.
03:10 But over the 28 years that I had been a Christian,
03:13 I have been in and out of different denominations.
03:16 And I realized over the course of the training
03:18 that there was a missing link and that you had it.
03:22 You go in, you go door to door and you don't intimidate,
03:27 it's not intrusive,
03:28 you just get to the heart of the message
03:30 and you present the Bible and the truth so simplistic
03:34 that is impressive.
03:35 Amen.
03:36 Well, Kathy jumped right in and she helped us
03:38 with our health expo to reach the community
03:40 and then she came to the evangelistic series.
03:43 Kathy, tell me what impacted your life
03:45 as you came to this series?
03:47 Well, I'll just backup.
03:49 I thought I was there on behalf of my children
03:50 that I had taken,
03:52 but somewhere through the meetings
03:53 I realized a call on my life.
03:55 There was a revelation from God that it was for me,
04:01 I was there, now suddenly for me.
04:03 And one of the speakers spoke and he said,
04:06 "How can I expect my family members to go forth
04:09 if I don't take a step?"
04:11 And he spoke clearly to me.
04:13 I needed to do that.
04:14 So Kathy made that step
04:16 and on Tuesday night she was baptized and became
04:18 a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
04:19 Amen? Amen.
04:21 Yes. Amen. Praise God.
04:25 So from there, Kathy,
04:28 tell me what you found?
04:29 As you've joined the Seventh-day
04:31 Adventist Church, you told me
04:32 something about truth and love that really spoke to me,
04:34 would you share that with us?
04:36 Well, I had been visiting that other church
04:38 for two and a half years,
04:39 doing Bible studies and studying on my own
04:41 all the topics that were in this seminar.
04:44 But what kept me going right from the very beginning
04:47 was the love of the people.
04:49 And now through the seminar and through your training
04:52 and through my own study, and now as a member,
04:55 I realize it's the truth, the simple truth of the gospel,
04:58 the love that is in this church is simply the Bible, Jesus.
05:03 Amen.
05:04 So the love is in the truth.
05:06 The love is in the truth. Thank you, Kathy.
05:08 And welcome to the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
05:09 Thank you.
05:11 Praise God.
05:18 Now we can share with you many more testimonies
05:21 of how we impact the community.
05:24 But I would like to introduce you to...
05:26 This is Philip Mulvaney,
05:29 who has a degree in doctor of divinity
05:33 and also a PhD in philosophy of religion.
05:37 Now, how is it...
05:38 And you're also an ordained minister,
05:39 is that correct?
05:41 That's correct.
05:42 And also you were studying to be a priest
05:44 in the Catholic Church.
05:45 That's correct.
05:47 Now, you would what
05:48 we would consider an expert or a professional.
05:53 So what made you decide to come to a Bible seminar
05:57 that was being held by a bunch of kids?
06:00 Well, through all my study,
06:02 I've been studying for over 13 years.
06:04 And everything that you study
06:08 and learn in a school,
06:11 university is basically taught to you by man.
06:15 And everything that I learned, my PhD is by man.
06:19 And when I got the letter, to come into a seminar
06:23 that children or youth that are ministering.
06:28 To me it felt,
06:30 anybody can teach anybody that is willing to learn.
06:33 I'm always open to learn from anybody
06:35 that has anything to say when it comes to our Lord God.
06:39 Then the schools I learned in my mind,
06:43 the philosophy about
06:45 the different types of religions,
06:47 what makes religion what it is, but it was always in my head.
06:52 Coming to the seminar over that the youth were giving
06:55 took it from my head and put it into my heart.
07:06 Now, you had an unusual testimony
07:10 about the day that you decide to come to the meeting.
07:13 Could you share with us about that?
07:16 Well, I got up that morning
07:18 and for about four or five days,
07:21 my wife and I had been disagreeing
07:23 about several things like couples usually do.
07:26 And I went off to work.
07:29 And I was praying to the Lord and I kept talking to the Lord
07:31 all through the day about what was going on
07:35 in the household between my wife and myself.
07:38 And I couldn't get into my studies
07:40 the way I needed to.
07:42 I was feeling like there's a separation
07:44 between me and the Lord.
07:45 And I'd asked the Lord, I says, I need your help.
07:48 Somewhere along the line,
07:49 I got to cross over one way or the other.
07:52 So I went on to work, did my thing at work,
07:55 stopped off at the P.O box,
07:56 picked up my mail, came to the house.
07:59 And when I walked through the door,
08:01 I noticed something was not right about the house.
08:04 And I looked where I would have put the mail on this table
08:07 and it was gone.
08:09 Well, that table
08:10 is the one thing that my wife's treasure.
08:12 So that being gone made me feel like,
08:15 okay, something's not right.
08:17 So first thing I did is, I went to the closet
08:19 and her clothes were gone.
08:20 So my wife had left me and I was sitting at the couch
08:25 and I looked over at where the mail was
08:27 and I went ahead and picked up the mail.
08:30 On top was an envelope
08:31 that just said "Grand Prairie, Texas."
08:34 And it had my name on it, addressed to me.
08:37 And so I went ahead and opened it.
08:39 And inside of it was an invitation
08:42 to the Revelation of Hope seminar
08:45 that was given by the youth.
08:48 I've been watching Amazing Facts for three years,
08:52 watching Doug Batchelor on TV,
08:54 getting a little bit about
08:56 what was going on in keeping the Sabbath.
09:00 So I prayed a little bit about it to the Lord,
09:02 and He revealed to me that I needed to go.
09:05 And I kind of tried to find an excuse why I shouldn't go.
09:08 But I've been actually praying for this for quite a while.
09:12 So I went, and by doing so, God has healed just not myself,
09:18 but He also brought my wife back to where we're talking.
09:22 And I'm sharing with her what I learned from the seminar
09:25 and everything is coming together.
09:29 God has a purpose for everything.
09:30 Amen.
09:32 Amen.
09:37 And tell us what happened this last past Tuesday evening?
09:43 Well, this past Tuesday evening,
09:44 I went ahead and took the big step.
09:47 And went ahead and I was baptized
09:49 along with 3,000 other people
09:51 that had attended the Revelation of Hope seminar.
09:55 Thank you so much. Charles.
10:02 As you can see,
10:04 this youth program is not just for the youth,
10:07 but it's for the church, it's for the community,
10:10 and it's for the communities
10:11 all over where the youth come from.
10:13 And I just wanted to tell you that we had 41 youth
10:16 from 14 states and 5 countries, representing 5 countries.
10:21 And so it's an international effort.
10:23 And all this is possible
10:24 because you as an ASI family believe in your youth,
10:28 you believe that they're not the church of tomorrow,
10:31 they are an integral part of church of today
10:34 that they are important in the finishing of this work.
10:38 And so...
10:42 And I just want to give you a report
10:46 on the results of these meetings.
10:50 With the 9 sites,
10:51 thus far we have had 111 baptisms.
10:57 There is another 21 scheduled
11:00 for tomorrow's services at the various churches.
11:04 And there are several dozen more
11:08 who are being cleared to be baptized.
11:12 There, you know, there's always the issues
11:13 about marriage and addictions
11:16 and things like that we have to go through.
11:17 And one interesting thing is at one of the Spanish sites,
11:21 a pastor was taking a whole van load of people
11:24 to the courthouse, so that they can be married,
11:27 so they can be baptized.
11:29 And...
11:34 So we do everything through Jesus.
11:37 In fact, one couple at a church wanted to have a wedding.
11:41 They didn't want to just go down to the courthouse,
11:44 but they wanted to be baptized Tuesday night very badly.
11:47 And so we threw them a wedding.
11:48 And it was with a four-hour notice and,
11:53 you know, God can do miracles.
11:58 Now, one thing that I wanted
12:01 to really challenge you with as ASI church family,
12:07 in your communities, in your churches,
12:09 there are so many youth.
12:11 And we keep talking about
12:13 how we can keep the youth engaged,
12:15 how we can keep the youth motivated,
12:18 how we can get the youth excited about this message.
12:22 And I just want to tell you the simple gospel message
12:26 of Jesus Christ is what they need.
12:29 They don't need rock music, they don't need entertainment,
12:35 they need to be put to work,
12:38 so I just want to encourage you.
12:48 You know, our motto at ASI Youth for Jesus
12:50 is what you win people with is what you win people to.
12:55 So if you win people
12:57 with the simple message of the gospel
12:58 of the prophecies found in the Bible,
13:00 what they need to do to prepare,
13:03 presented by youth
13:05 who study and who become inspired by the Holy Spirit.
13:10 They can convince people with PhDs
13:13 that this is God's remnant church.
13:17 And so I just want to challenge you
13:19 to go back to your communities and your churches,
13:23 and use your youth.
13:25 They want to be used.
13:27 It's not that they can't do it,
13:29 they want to do it and they can do it
13:31 as you have seen tonight.
13:32 And so I just want to thank you for supporting this project
13:36 and for supporting your ASI youth.
13:38 And we just hope that you continue to support it.
13:42 And tomorrow morning,
13:44 I know I'm jumping the gun a little bit,
13:46 but tomorrow morning, part of the offering
13:48 for tomorrow morning is for ASI Youth for Jesus.
13:50 And this is the result of your generosity.
13:53 And I just want to thank you so much from all the youth
13:55 from the churches, from the community.
13:58 Thank you very much.
14:08 The song that we're gonna sing today
14:10 is entitled to "Jehovah, Lord of Heavens."
14:12 And it just about, it says, "Your name is glorious,
14:14 King of the Universe, and Redeemer of man,
14:18 the rain that falls through the trees
14:19 and the rushing sound of angel's wings,
14:21 proclaim of your beauties and your glories,
14:24 and your riches.
14:26 I am weak Lord and blind
14:27 way down with iniquity and sinful desires."
14:31 And basically it talks about how we want His help
14:36 because only with Him we can be redeemed, right?
18:07 Edwin and Maribel Martin have become a part
18:12 or are a part of that generation
18:15 that is generally understood as the greatest generation,
18:18 the generation that went through
18:20 the Great Depression and World War II.
18:25 Their lives have been lives
18:27 that have been filled with service.
18:30 Edwin was born into a Seventh-day Adventist
18:33 ministerial family pioneers in self-supporting work,
18:38 involved in the foundation and starting up of Wildwood.
18:43 Edwin made that his life goal in his life work.
18:47 Maribel was a nurse trained at Madison
18:53 and they served for years in a self-supporting work
18:58 in during poverty
18:59 and all the sacrifice that that involves.
19:03 There came a time when they went into business.
19:07 And then going into business, they prospered and did well.
19:11 And at one time, he was honored
19:14 as the National Nursing Home Administrator
19:19 in all of the United States.
19:22 Edwin and Maribel have seen poverty
19:25 and they have seen prosperity.
19:27 They never forgot where they came from.
19:30 And they have been tireless helpers,
19:33 encouragers, and servants of this organization.
19:41 One of the most exciting parts about ASI
19:44 is meeting friends and family,
19:47 and I say that because ASI becomes a family.
19:51 And one of the most dear couples
19:52 that I've ever had the privilege
19:54 of getting to know has been Edwin and Maribel.
19:57 We have traveled around the world.
19:59 We have been involved in board meetings and meetings
20:02 and learning from Edwin, like, I could tell you many stories.
20:07 But Edwin, I can't tell you enough to thank you enough
20:12 for all that you have taught us
20:14 and the privilege that I have of working with you
20:16 these last 18 years.
20:19 And I just want to let you all know
20:21 that we are very deeply blessed to know you.
20:25 And only when we get to heaven
20:27 will we know the results of your efforts.
20:30 There's a lot of people
20:33 who only do good works if it can be counted.
20:38 Edwin and Maribel do good works
20:41 in such extraordinary ways
20:44 without many people ever knowing.
20:47 And one of the recognitions that this organization has
20:52 for Edwin and Maribel Martin is they have been voted
20:55 by your board to be honorary members.
20:59 And this doesn't happen often.
21:02 No, it doesn't.
21:04 Edwin and Maribel, we'd like to present you
21:06 with this small token of our appreciation
21:09 for the years of dedication to the ASI family.
21:28 I'm gonna have a hard time saying what I'd like to say.
21:33 Maribel and I were married
21:35 about 100 miles from here in 1944.
21:40 After I got out of the army,
21:41 we went back and started to work with my parents,
21:44 who ran one of the little units of Madison.
21:47 And over 50 years ago, we started going to ASI.
21:54 What a blessing it's been to us.
21:59 We have made so many friends
22:01 and Lord has been so good to us.
22:04 And we want to thank all of you
22:05 all for being here tonight and for this
22:08 privilege of having standing up here before you.
22:11 God bless you.
22:27 Our speaker this evening was a hard rock
22:32 deep underground miner in Canada for nine years.
22:38 Reared a Roman Catholic,
22:41 but was a searcher.
22:43 His search took about two years and he was baptized
22:47 into the Seventh-day Adventist Church
22:50 and then terminated his mining career
22:57 at a time of personal prosperity,
22:59 owning a nice home three years from being paid for a new car,
23:03 three children,
23:06 but he had the call of God to come into ministry.
23:11 He went to Woodland Park.
23:15 He went to Fountainview and taught Bible for two years.
23:21 And then he went to Africa and lead out in the program
23:26 at Riverside Farm in Africa for a long time.
23:30 In fact, their son is still there.
23:33 And his wife operates
23:36 marvelous service for AIDS
23:40 surviving children in Tanzania now.
23:45 Frank Fournier, he came back from Africa about 10 years ago
23:49 and served as the vice president
23:50 of Outpost Centers.
23:52 And three years ago has become the president
23:56 of Eden Valley Institute in Colorado.
24:01 He's a student of the Word.
24:04 He's a capable administrator, and a friend, and counselor.
24:09 And may God bless what he says to us this evening.
24:13 Thank you.
24:24 Good evening, everyone.
24:27 I feel a little shy coming up here.
24:31 I came here a few days ago with a sermon all ready to go
24:36 and prepared and when I began to look at it in preparation
24:40 for this evening, I threw it away.
24:42 It just wasn't jelling.
24:45 So then I prepared another one and after I was all done
24:48 with that one I threw it away.
24:50 And I prepared another one and about 10 minutes ago,
24:53 if I had had a chance, I would have thrown it away.
24:59 Sometimes it happens that way. I'm going to...
25:02 And because of this,
25:03 I'm going to invite you to bow your heads with me,
25:06 I really do need to pray.
25:09 Heavenly Father, we're grateful to be here.
25:11 And to me, it's a tremendous honor
25:13 to be standing before these people.
25:15 It's a blessing, but, Father,
25:16 it's pointless unless You have something to say.
25:19 And so we're going to ask You now by Your Holy Spirit
25:22 to open my mind and heart
25:24 and to open the hearts and minds
25:26 of all those who are here listening.
25:28 We've got to hear from You.
25:30 And I've never been in this position before,
25:32 but I thank You for the experience knowing
25:34 that You have something to say,
25:36 and we thank You for it in Jesus' name.
25:39 Amen.
25:41 I'm going to invite you to turn with me
25:43 to 2 Corinthians Chapter 5.
25:46 I promise that I will talk to you
25:48 if you looked at your bulletin,
25:49 you know that the topic
25:51 is going to be conflicting realities.
25:55 It occurred to me a few years ago
25:58 that we have the power to create our own reality.
26:02 Now isn't that a wonderful thing?
26:05 If you had the power to create your own reality,
26:07 what kind of reality would you create?
26:10 Well, there's a lot of us, I think that would be changing
26:12 our present reality anyway.
26:14 There's no doubt in my mind.
26:16 But I think also that
26:18 if we were really given that opportunity,
26:22 we probably would make a lot of mistakes.
26:24 And so God, Jesus Himself has decided
26:27 that He would create a reality for us.
26:31 As you know, Jesus entered into the Most Holy place
26:35 more than 160 years ago.
26:37 Do you know what Jesus is doing
26:39 in the Most Holy place of the sanctuary?
26:42 Now I suppose and I don't know, maybe there's someone here
26:45 who haven't even heard
26:46 that there is such a thing as a sanctuary to heaven.
26:48 And I know that there are some controversies
26:50 over this issue.
26:51 Some people even teach that it isn't so,
26:54 ah, but friends it is so.
26:57 It's in the scriptures, it's in the Bible.
27:00 And when Jesus entered into the Most Holy place,
27:02 He went in there with a great intention.
27:04 He knew what He was doing.
27:06 He was going to purify to Himself at people.
27:10 And once His people were purified,
27:13 then He could pour out upon them
27:14 His Holy Spirit in latter rain power,
27:17 and then He could send them
27:19 to give a loud cry in this world,
27:21 the very last warning
27:22 that's supposed to be given to this world.
27:28 Hundred and sixty years ago...
27:34 and God's people have not believed
27:37 that this could happen.
27:40 I began teaching not very long ago at Eden Valley,
27:43 where I'm president,
27:45 a series of meetings on the Book of Revelation.
27:48 And I centered in on what I believed
27:50 was the central issue of the Book of Revelation
27:53 and that to me is the ceiling message.
27:56 Do you know that God cannot pour out upon us?
27:59 Well, in Revelation Chapter 7 there,
28:02 it says that the four angels are holding back
28:05 the four winds of strife
28:06 until God's people are sealed in their foreheads
28:08 with the Seal of the Living God.
28:14 Do you know that God is holding
28:16 more than just the four winds of strife?
28:20 Do you know that everything else is on hold
28:23 because God's people are not being sealed?
28:26 We're waiting for the latter rain.
28:27 I think as a people, we haven't prayed
28:29 for anything more than
28:30 we've prayed for the latter rain.
28:32 We want to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
28:34 We'd love to have power.
28:35 We'd love to be able to work miracles, wouldn't we?
28:41 But Jesus can't do it.
28:43 He can't pour out upon us His Holy Spirit
28:46 until we are sealed with a Seal of the Living God.
28:49 We wish because we see
28:51 that the verses in Revelation 18:1
28:54 that the whole world will be lightened
28:56 with the glory of God's character.
28:59 And we wish that that time would come.
29:01 Do you know that God can't give us that power
29:05 because we haven't received His character?
29:07 That's what this ceiling is all about.
29:09 If you go to Revelation Chapter 14,
29:11 it talks about taking the name of the Father in our foreheads,
29:15 receiving the character of God
29:17 until He can present us faultless
29:20 before the throne of His glory.
29:22 And when that time should come,
29:25 then we're going to be used by heaven
29:28 to enlighten the whole world with the glory of God.
29:31 What a blessed time that will be.
29:33 But it's on hold.
29:36 It's on hold because we haven't believed
29:38 what Jesus is doing
29:40 or we don't know what Jesus is doing in the Most Holy place
29:43 of the sanctuary.
29:45 Ellen White says it very, very clearly
29:48 that we cannot exercise all right faith
29:51 until we know what He's doing there
29:53 and understand what He's doing there
29:55 in the investigative judgment.
30:01 We can't warn Babylon.
30:03 We can't give the last warning.
30:06 We can't say come out of her, my people,
30:08 until we ourselves have come out.
30:12 Or until Babylon has been taken out of us.
30:15 Do we understand that?
30:17 Oh, friends, it's so true.
30:19 And this is the reality that Jesus would like to create
30:23 for you and me.
30:25 Wouldn't it be a blessed reality?
30:27 Wouldn't you like to live in that reality?
30:31 But, friends, we can
30:32 and we might have done it a long time ago
30:34 if by faith we had laid hold on what Jesus has promised to do.
30:40 If we believe the Word of God
30:42 and if we cooperated with what it says,
30:44 we would have gone home long air this.
30:50 There's an illustration in the Bible.
30:54 It's a classic illustration of two realities in conflict.
31:00 When Moses got to the borders of Canaan land the first time,
31:05 God had said that he should go in there and take the land.
31:10 Now they decided and...
31:12 I haven't read the passage just lately,
31:17 but they decided that they should send
31:18 12 spies to look,
31:20 to evaluate the land before they decide to go in.
31:23 Now I can't imagine
31:25 why in the world they would send 12 spies?
31:27 The Word of God, Jesus, God Himself said to Moses,
31:30 "Go in and take the land."
31:32 Why send 12 spies?
31:33 But I kind of think that the Bible says,
31:34 it's God who decided
31:36 that they should send 12 spies in there.
31:37 Do you know why?
31:39 He needed to test their faith.
31:42 I think He knew His people.
31:44 And so He sent them a test.
31:46 And if they pass the test, they go in, you see.
31:48 So the 12 spies went into the land of Canaan,
31:51 they spent 40 days and then they came out.
31:54 And the passage says that 10 of the 12 spies
31:58 gave an evil report.
32:01 Now it'd be interesting to me to look at this word evil
32:05 and to study it for a while
32:06 because you wonder sometimes just exactly
32:08 what the Bible means by this word evil.
32:12 The 10 spies when they came back
32:14 and gave a report were to some degree anyway,
32:17 fairly honest in what they were saying.
32:22 When they were there, they said that
32:23 they saw giants in the land.
32:25 Did they see giants in the land?
32:28 Oh, yeah, there were giants in the land.
32:29 That was reality for them.
32:32 When they were there, they saw Jericho and they saw
32:34 that the walls were exceeding high
32:35 and they were very thick.
32:37 And they were wondering to themselves,
32:39 how in the world are we going to scale these walls?
32:43 How in the world are we going to take these walls down?
32:47 So they reported high walls.
32:49 It was a reality, wasn't it?
32:54 And then they said,
32:55 these guys have chariots with advanced technology.
32:59 They're iron chariots.
33:00 Were there iron chariots there?
33:02 Oh, yeah, there were iron chariots.
33:04 And so when it was all said and done
33:06 and they compared themselves with what they were facing,
33:09 they saw themselves as grasshoppers in their sight.
33:15 Now all that was a present reality
33:17 to those folks.
33:19 And, friends, accepting that reality
33:22 it led them to have to accept another reality.
33:25 And that was that it was impossible
33:27 for them in any ways to take that land.
33:31 If they only went by their senses
33:35 and so they had to look at these things and say,
33:37 are we going to send grasshoppers
33:39 against giants with iron chariots?
33:42 It doesn't make any sense
33:44 and they were only being realistic.
33:49 Now at the same time,
33:50 we know that there were two other men there
33:52 by the name of Caleb and Joshua,
33:54 and they saw another reality.
33:56 Now it's amazing to me
33:58 because they went in with the 12...
34:00 As part of the 12 spies also,
34:02 they saw all the same things that the other 10 guys saw.
34:07 And they came back with a report that said,
34:10 we are well able to take the land.
34:15 Now, friends, did they see the same things?
34:18 Yeah, they saw the same things.
34:20 How is it that they could say to themselves,
34:23 we are well able to take the land
34:25 while 10 of them thought
34:26 that they were not able to take the land?
34:31 And on what did they base their conclusion?
34:33 Now we're in 2 Corinthians Chapter 5,
34:36 and I would like to invite you now to look at verse 7,
34:39 because we're looking at two realities here.
34:43 In verse 7, it says, "For we, that is Christians,
34:46 Christians walk by faith and not by," what?
34:52 "By sight."
34:53 Now what's wrong with sight?
34:56 Friends, I'd hate to lose my sight, wouldn't you?
34:59 And God never intended that we should lose our eyes.
35:02 He would like us to use our eyes and to see
35:04 what is there to be seen,
35:06 but He means something by what He says here.
35:08 And we can see the explanation of it
35:11 in 2 Corinthians Chapter 4,
35:14 you just look at the previous chapter
35:16 in verse 18.
35:17 And if you start with the third word
35:19 at least in the King James Version,
35:22 it says, "Look not at the things that are seen."
35:25 Amazing thing.
35:26 God has given us eyes.
35:29 And then He says, I don't want you to look
35:30 at this stuff you can see.
35:33 Amazing, huh?
35:35 "Look not at the things that are seen,
35:37 but at the things that are not seen."
35:39 Why?
35:40 "Because the things that are seen are temporal,
35:42 but the things that are not seen
35:44 these things are eternal."
35:50 Now if you look back at verse 7 of Chapter 5,
35:52 it says, walk not by faith...
35:54 "Walk by faith, but not by sight."
35:57 You know, this word sight
35:58 could be translated senses also.
36:01 He just used the sight as one of them.
36:05 In Isaiah 11:3 it's talking about Jesus there.
36:10 And it says
36:11 that He did not judge by the seeing of the eyes
36:13 nor did He judged by the hearing of the ears,
36:15 but He judged righteously.
36:18 Do you know why He was able to judge righteously
36:21 and that He did not use His eyes or His ears?
36:24 Because as a human being, He was just like us.
36:28 We can be deceived.
36:31 And so by faith,
36:32 He was able to lay hold upon His Father.
36:35 And His Father was able to direct Him step by step,
36:38 point by point in His life.
36:40 And it's amazing to me.
36:42 And I wish that I had that experience, wouldn't you?
36:45 Oh, what a blessing it would be.
36:48 When we come into some problems with different individuals,
36:53 and all that we've got is what we've heard,
36:55 and all that we've got is what we can see.
36:57 And we could send up a prayer and Jesus and God
37:01 would just communicate with us and say, "This is the reality."
37:05 What a blessing it would be to be able to deal with reality
37:08 in a case like...
37:09 And that's how it was with Jesus.
37:11 He was so connected with His Father.
37:16 That in every circumstance His Father could tell Him
37:19 just what reality was.
37:20 He did not lean on His hearing, He did not lean on His sight,
37:24 He did not lean on His senses, He walked by faith.
37:31 And that's a different reality than we know today,
37:34 you and I probably.
37:40 The Bible doesn't say
37:42 that the things that we see are not real.
37:46 But the Bible says that the things that we see
37:48 are temporary, they're short lived,
37:50 they're limited in this present evil world.
37:53 But when God says something, it's eternal.
37:57 Even though it might be invisible,
37:59 it's eternal.
38:02 And Jesus is in the Most Holy place.
38:04 And He's trying to speak to each one of us.
38:06 He's trying to say, here's what I'm doing,
38:08 and I want you to cooperate with Me,
38:10 and I am able to save you to the uttermost.
38:13 Do you know how much saving that is?
38:16 What does the word uttermost means?
38:20 He can do it.
38:21 He can keep us from falling.
38:23 What an experience we would have
38:25 if we would believe the Word of God?
38:27 What an experience we might have?
38:30 You know, the Bible says in Hebrews Chapter 11
38:34 that Moses endured seeing him who is invisible.
38:40 Now did Moses have to endure very much?
38:44 Friends, he lived in the world just like we have to live in.
38:47 Only he had opportunities that many,
38:49 most of, all of us probably will never be subject to,
38:53 will never be have the opportunity that he had.
38:57 He could have been the king of Egypt,
38:58 the Pharaoh of Egypt.
39:00 And he rejected all of that, refusing all of that,
39:02 so that he could be part with God's children.
39:06 And then he had to endure,
39:07 not only the loss of all this wealth,
39:09 and of all this prestige, and of all this power,
39:13 but then he had to deal with
39:14 a million or 2 million people
39:16 who were stiff necked according to the Bible.
39:19 And he endured a lot of things.
39:21 But the reason that he endured
39:22 is because he saw him that is invisible.
39:28 There's a visible reality
39:31 and there is an invisible reality.
39:35 And the Bible says that Christian live
39:37 in the invisible reality rather than in the visible.
39:42 And if we were able to live there,
39:44 oh, what power we would have?
39:46 Yeah.
39:47 So have you seen Jesus though He's invisible?
39:52 Two of the 12 spies saw Jesus, they saw Him.
39:57 They saw all the obstacles too.
40:01 But they refused to credit their eyes,
40:06 they refused to credit their ears,
40:10 they refused to take in all other senses we're saying
40:15 and to accept that what Jesus says is true,
40:18 and they decided to go with that.
40:20 Now what about you and me?
40:22 Are we able to credit the Bible?
40:26 Are we able to take God's word for what it says
40:29 and decide that we're going to run?
40:30 We're going to go with it,
40:32 even though there is obstacles in every direction.
40:38 My wife went to Africa some three years ago.
40:44 We had some friends who had told us about Africa.
40:46 Well, one place in Africa, we spent 10 years in Africa
40:49 and we had a friend there.
40:51 And he was a fairly old man and he had gone away
40:54 from his village some 30 years or so.
40:56 And he was anxious that someone would go work in his village
41:00 because the Adventist Church wasn't established there yet.
41:04 So he after much coaxing, he got my wife
41:08 and I to go to his village with him
41:10 and to see what was going on there.
41:12 And we were impressed to some degree that the need
41:14 was there and we would give him some money
41:16 to do an evangelistic series,
41:18 to hire Bible worker this kind of thing,
41:20 and we would come back home.
41:22 And he would continue to hound us.
41:23 And at one point, he began to tell us
41:25 that there were at that time he said,
41:27 there were 26,000 orphans in this area.
41:31 Now I don't know where in the world
41:32 he got his statistics.
41:34 But today, they're saying they're 40,000 orphans
41:36 in that area.
41:38 And it began to touch my wife's heart,
41:40 and she began to feel like
41:42 she needed to go to Africa to do something.
41:45 My friends, I want to tell you,
41:46 she faced all kinds of obstacles
41:49 going to Africa to do something.
41:52 The obstacles were amazing.
41:54 She couldn't even get a foothold,
41:55 a toll into Tanzania to be able to stay there herself.
41:59 She could go in as a visitor, but there is no way
42:02 that she could get a work visa
42:04 because she was sponsored by no one.
42:07 But we knew some folks at the division,
42:08 so we went to the division and they said,
42:10 "Yes, we will help you."
42:11 But they didn't. They couldn't.
42:14 So we went to the union.
42:15 And they said, "Yes, we'll help you."
42:17 But they didn't.
42:19 They couldn't.
42:20 They began to look at the liability issues.
42:23 And, ah, this is a big risk, and we can't do that.
42:25 So we talked to ADRA about it and they wanted too,
42:28 but they couldn't either.
42:29 And we have our own work there and they were skeptical.
42:32 They were wondering whether it would be the right thing to do
42:35 or if something happened in the project,
42:37 they might be saddled with something
42:39 that they didn't want, and they were afraid to do it.
42:42 And she just couldn't get anywhere.
42:47 She got to get a work permit,
42:48 she had to form a non-governmental organization,
42:52 she had to get all her tax exemptions,
42:54 she had to deal with all kinds of corruption
42:57 at every stage of the game.
43:00 And I remember, she would come back to America,
43:02 she'd come back to Eden Valley.
43:04 And when she'd come back, I'd have her speak to,
43:06 you know, to the family, and tell us,
43:08 give us a report on how things are going.
43:10 And she could just list
43:11 all the obstacles she was facing.
43:13 And it was taking months and months.
43:15 It actually took two years to get a lot of this done.
43:19 But she would come and she would list
43:20 all of this and then she would say,
43:22 all of this is just paper dragons.
43:24 They're lions without teeth.
43:29 God wants me to do this and He's going to open the way
43:32 and I'm not afraid of this thing.
43:34 And she would go back in and she would just go forward.
43:38 Now tell me something, were these obstacles
43:41 that she was facing were they real
43:44 or were they just there in appearance?
43:47 Friends, now listen, they were real.
43:51 They were real.
43:53 Turn with me to Hebrews Chapter 11.
43:58 Hebrews Chapter 11.
44:04 And we look at verse 3,
44:08 "Through faith we understand
44:10 that the worlds were framed by the Word of God,
44:14 so that things which are seen
44:16 were not made of things which do appear."
44:19 Do you see many things today?
44:22 What were they made of?
44:24 My friends, they were made of nothing.
44:27 And do you know that if you had a clock
44:29 and you could turn it back in time,
44:31 and you could go with the clock
44:33 that as you turn the clock backwards
44:35 everything would begin to disappear around you?
44:38 Until you could come to the place
44:40 where there would be absolutely nothing left.
44:42 It would all be gone because it was all made of nothing.
44:44 And do you know that in the future
44:46 there comes a time when God is going to burn everything up
44:49 and there will be nothing left
44:50 of that which you can see today?
44:53 That's the truth.
44:54 There's going to be a new heaven
44:55 and there's going to be a new earth.
44:58 And we're living here in the reality
45:00 that is here only in appearance though it's real.
45:05 Yeah. Now look at verse 1.
45:09 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for,
45:13 the evidence of things not seen."
45:17 There's something interesting about that verse.
45:19 As a matter of fact,
45:20 it's not translated just correctly quite.
45:24 The word substance here is passive in the verse,
45:28 but it was never passive in the Greek.
45:31 It's an active word.
45:32 It's the verb in this passage,
45:36 so it should read this way.
45:37 Now faith substantiates the things hoped for,
45:43 it substantiates the things not seen.
45:45 Do you know what it means to substantiate something?
45:51 Faith makes real.
45:53 Faith makes tangible a thing that you cannot see.
45:58 Now that's what I want...
46:00 really.
46:03 In Prophets and Kings,
46:06 page 594, paragraph 3.
46:10 It says, "Throughout the history of God's people,
46:13 great mountains of difficulty,
46:16 apparently insurmountable have loomed up
46:19 before those who were trying to carry out
46:21 the purposes of heaven."
46:23 Now listen, how often does this happen?
46:25 Well, the quotation here says,
46:29 throughout history it has happened.
46:31 Now what do you think
46:33 it's going to be like in the future?
46:35 If throughout history
46:37 God's people who have attempted to do anything
46:39 have been accosted with nothing but obstacles,
46:42 I cannot believe for a moment
46:44 that we will have anything different in the future.
46:46 It's going to be that way.
46:49 Have you tried to do something for Jesus?
46:53 Have you tried to do something for the Lord
46:55 and you've had no obstacles
46:56 to face the thing just opens up?
46:58 Why friends, it doesn't happen.
47:00 And if it happens, it isn't probably from God.
47:06 Now watch,
47:07 this is the rest of the quotation.
47:10 Such obstacles are permitted by the Lord.
47:14 Notice, who permits them?
47:16 "Such obstacles are permitted
47:18 by the Lord as a test of faith."
47:24 There is nothing that can make you grow faster.
47:28 There is nothing to help us in our spiritual walk
47:32 than for us to get involved in doing something
47:34 for the Lord right from the beginning.
47:37 Now if you didn't start at the beginning, start now.
47:39 Let's make today the beginning.
47:43 You want to grow spiritually, go to work for Jesus.
47:47 But, friends, Jesus has this thing in His control.
47:51 And as soon as you go to work for Him,
47:53 He's going to allow enough obstacles to be
47:56 in your path so that your faith can grow.
47:59 But you'll not be tested above that which you are able.
48:02 That's the blessing of the whole thing.
48:05 Nothing shall by any means hurt you,
48:07 have you ever read that verse?
48:08 That's in Luke 10:19.
48:11 "Nothing shall by any means hurt you.
48:13 All things work together for good to them
48:15 that love the Lord."
48:16 Do you love the Lord?
48:18 Do you love Him enough to go to work for Him,
48:21 to do something on His behalf?
48:24 Well, if you do, I can promise you today
48:28 because the promise is not mine, it's His.
48:30 Nothing shall by any means hurt you.
48:33 What a tremendous blessing that is.
48:37 And we can believe it,
48:39 but there are going to be obstacles.
48:41 Now I'm reading. I'm supposed to be...
48:42 I just almost shot off into another sermon.
48:46 Such obstacles are permitted by the Lord as a test of faith,
48:49 we need that.
48:51 It is thus that the soul becomes a conquering power.
48:54 Oh, friends,
48:57 Jesus wants us to be a conquering power.
49:00 Don't sit at home doing nothing.
49:02 I don't care who you are.
49:05 Tell the world, tell them now.
49:08 You see?
49:11 It is thus that the soul becomes a conquering power
49:14 before the demand of faith the obstacles placed by Satan
49:19 across the pathway of the Christian
49:21 will disappear.
49:25 Have you ever seen real things disappear?
49:29 But that's the promise.
49:32 Because they're made of nothing.
49:38 Lions without teeth,
49:40 dragons without fire, you see.
49:45 And that's the promise.
49:46 And then it says,
49:47 "Nothing shall be impossible on to you."
49:52 Wow!
49:54 Did you know that nothing was impossible to you?
49:59 If you really believe
50:00 that nothing was impossible to you.
50:02 That's what it says.
50:04 That's Matthew 17:20 by the way.
50:07 If you knew that nothing was impossible to you,
50:09 what would you attempt?
50:11 Would you attempt nothing?
50:15 Friends, you can create your own reality.
50:19 You can have a life of usefulness.
50:23 You can have spiritual growth unprecedented,
50:28 especially in the realm of reflecting Jesus' character.
50:32 Oh, nothing is more important to us.
50:36 The Bible says, Matthew 19:26,
50:38 "With God, all things are possible."
50:43 Do you know that in Mark 9:23, it says,
50:46 "All things are possible to them that believe."
50:50 Friends, we need to have faith.
50:53 But faith doesn't do anything.
50:55 Faith only lays hold upon what God can do
50:58 and God can do the impossible.
51:00 And He says, nothing is impossible to you
51:03 because I give Myself to you.
51:06 "All power in heaven and earth is given unto Me,"
51:08 Jesus said, Matthew 28:18.
51:12 And he said that as our representative,
51:15 we have the right to go out there and do whatever
51:18 the Lord puts on our hearts to do.
51:21 And we will not fail though the obstacles be overwhelming.
51:26 Now, did all the obstacles disappear for my wife?
51:29 I was telling you a little story a minute ago.
51:31 Friends, they did all disappear.
51:34 She's got her work permit, she created an NGO,
51:36 she got all her tax exemption,
51:38 she's taking care of 800 orphans today.
51:42 She has a sewing school, she has a carpentry school,
51:44 she has a language school, she has a nursery school.
51:47 She has several Bible workers working for her.
51:50 And this year, about seven Americans
51:51 including two doctors joined her
51:53 to help her in reaching out to all of these people.
51:56 They're doing a tremendous work out there.
52:00 There was a time we thought
52:01 it would never even get off the ground.
52:05 If the Lord put something on your heart, go for it.
52:09 Now the thing that He needs to put on your heart, however
52:15 is that you reflect the image of Jesus fully.
52:19 That's the thing that we need.
52:21 You know, we can do a lot of power, a lot of work.
52:24 We can accomplish a lot of things.
52:26 But, friends, if we don't have the character of Jesus Christ,
52:29 we're going to accomplish a lot of things
52:31 and people are going to look at us
52:32 and they're going to well,
52:34 you know, go tell them it says.
52:39 It says, "Go tell them now."
52:41 And I really appreciate that.
52:43 ASI has been able to inject into this thing,
52:46 a feeling of urgency.
52:48 It's time to go tell them now.
52:49 But I'd like to ask you a question.
52:51 Go tell them what?
52:55 We have a gospel that is more powerful
52:59 than any other gospel that's being preached
53:01 in the whole world.
53:04 We have a gospel in the light
53:06 of the sanctuary
53:07 and of the work that Jesus is doing
53:09 in the Most Holy place of the sanctuary.
53:12 And so we can go down the street
53:13 and we can preach the gospel.
53:15 But, friends, the people are going to look at us and say,
53:17 how can you preach a gospel?
53:19 How can you tell me
53:20 that we need more than the justifying righteousness
53:25 of Jesus Christ that we need to be sanctified fully?
53:27 We want to see this in your life.
53:34 Do they see it in our lives?
53:37 They need to see it in our lives.
53:40 I would like to be able
53:41 to go out there and tell the world.
53:46 But, friends, I want to be able to tell them the full gospel.
53:50 And in order to be able to tell them the full gospel,
53:52 I need to be able to adopt the full gospel in my own life.
53:55 They need to be able to say that the gospel
53:57 that I'm preaching to them is the gospel
54:00 that will give them the power
54:02 that they need also to reflect the image of Jesus fully.
54:05 This is what's going to happen.
54:08 Can you believe that?
54:10 Friends, we need to believe it.
54:12 The time is so short.
54:15 The time is so short.
54:20 And I don't know,
54:22 you know, we have quite a crowd here this evening.
54:25 I don't know how many of you, how many of us,
54:28 the Lord is going to be able to pick out and say,
54:31 "I'm going to seal that individual.
54:33 I'm going to settle him to the truth,
54:35 both intellectually and spiritually.
54:37 I'm going to be able to pour out
54:39 my Holy Spirit upon him."
54:41 No doubt there are some of us here, don't you think so?
54:44 Oh, friends, as Pastor Pippin said the other night,
54:47 this is the cream of the crop,
54:49 la creme de la creme we would say in Canada.
54:51 Yeah, the best.
54:53 Well, friends, if this is the best
54:56 that we can expect
54:58 the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, can't we?
55:02 But it will be only
55:06 if we will believe in the Word of God.
55:11 It will be only as we take the Word of God to our hearts.
55:16 It will be only as we walk in harmony
55:19 with what is written therein.
55:21 As we create this reality by simply receiving God's Word
55:26 or by unbelief we can create another reality,
55:29 like the 12 spies did.
55:32 And so we can take our time and say,
55:34 "Well, what you're asking is too much.
55:36 They're giants in the land."
55:39 My sins are bigger than I can understand,
55:41 and I can't deal with them.
55:42 It's true, friends.
55:44 You can't deal with them, but Jesus can deal with them.
55:47 And He has promised to save us to the uttermost.
55:53 He can do it.
55:55 Believe Him.
55:57 Don't look at the things that are seen,
55:59 but look at the things that are not seen,
56:02 the things that are eternal.
56:05 This is what we want.
56:06 This is why we come together, isn't it?
56:09 Oh, yes.
56:10 How many of you would like to be able to say to Jesus,
56:13 "Lord, I want to participate in this."
56:15 Can I see your hands?
56:17 Just raise your hand where you are.
56:18 Thank you for so doing.
56:20 God bless you.
56:22 And may the Lord follow you wherever you go.
56:24 May He bless, continue to bless the rest of this little time
56:28 that we have together,
56:29 but take into consideration the greater reality.
56:33 Thank you.
56:44 I'd like to invite you to stand with me
56:46 as we close in prayer.
56:53 Dear Lord, I want to thank You for sending Your Spirit
56:56 to be with us this evening.
56:58 Thank You for the beautiful stories
57:00 and testimonies we heard from the youth.
57:02 It was very heartwarming, Dear Lord,
57:04 but I pray that it will be more than
57:07 just heartwarming to us that it will change our lives.
57:11 Lord, I thank You for Frank
57:14 and the words that You spoke through him this evening.
57:17 Please, Lord, come into our hearts.
57:19 Help us to be able to see You
57:23 as we continue through this Sabbath day.
57:26 We just thank You, Lord, we praise You for Your love.
57:30 This is our prayer in Thy name.
57:31 Amen.


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