Hi, friends.
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Welcome to another
edition of NEWSTART Now.
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I am your host Ron Giannoni.
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Before I introduce our guest,
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I like to take a look
at when he first arrived.
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Well, we came
here four years ago
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and had a great experience.
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Didn't lose a lot of
weight which I thought I would,
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but that was my own fault.
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But we learned such great truths
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about nutrition, cooking,
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what to eat, what not to eat,
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and we stuck with that program
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when we got home
for a couple of years,
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at least, may be three.
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But the last year or so, I
kind of fell off the wagon.
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And I know it's called NEWSTART
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but I am looking
at it as a restart
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because I spent
the last eight months
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in the high Arctic
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where fresh
fruits and vegetables
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are hard to come by,
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and couldn't go for
walks like I like to do partly
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because of the
darkness and the bears
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and wolves and
foxes that were out.
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So that's my excuse for
gaining 30 pounds or more.
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And before I came out
of the Arctic this year,
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my wife called me and said,
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"I want to go back to NEWSTART."
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And I said,
"Great idea. Let's go."
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The spiritual aspect
is very important as well.
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Every morning at seven,
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we have a session in
here with the chaplain,
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and I forget
the chaplain's name,
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I just met him, he is very good.
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At the end of a session, when...
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I look at my wife...
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Sorry.
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And she has tears
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due to the message
that we hear in the morning.
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That in itself is
worth every penny.
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Welcome back, friends.
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Grant Scott.
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Now I've been playing
with that name for a while
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because I could say
Scott Grant or Grant Scott,
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and I know you'd
answer to either but...
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Yes.
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You know, when
you first arrived,
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you came with your wife
who we have not interviewed.
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But nonetheless, you
came to assist her, right?
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Yes.
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And...
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But you've had
some remarkable changes.
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Can we talk about that?
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Well, I have
lost 13 pounds. Wow.
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That's a remarkable change.
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Where did you
leave it by the way?
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Pardon me. Where
did you leave it?
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I am just kidding.
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But you ever wondered
where that weight goes?
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Just where is it? It's gone.
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Out on a trail somewhere. Right.
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Go ahead. You lost 13 pounds.
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Well, and you mentioned trails,
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walking trails certainly helped.
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It's a combination of
proper diet, exercise, rest,
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drinking water, lots of water.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's
how I lost the weight.
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And of course, the challenge
now is to keep up that regimen
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when I go home.
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So 13 pounds in 16 days? Yes.
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That's almost a pound a day.
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What gave that a kick start was
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we had a three day fast,
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and I've never
been on a fast before.
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I'd say it's easy
because I never felt hungry.
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I mean, we drank water
and made a little concoction,
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they called
parfait, which had no taste
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but that kept us going.
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Right. Right.
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And the other big change is
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eating only two meals a day,
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breakfast at
eight in the morning,
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and lunch at two
in the afternoon,
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and that's it.
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And even when I
wake up the next morning,
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I'm not hungry.
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And I thought I would be.
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I thought I'd be
going down the road
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on my own truck
looking for snacks.
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It's just an amazing program,
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and I think, I
mentioned before when we spoke,
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you know, the cost is high,
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especially for Canadians
with Canadian dollar being low,
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but that cost is well
worth it, aside from all that,
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just for the
Fresh Start discussions
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with the
chaplain in the morning.
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How was the Fresh Start for you?
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Did that grab you at all?
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It really grabbed my wife and I.
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My wife has got
three years of Bible school
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behind her years ago,
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and we've been
going to church for years
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and studying the
Bible, reading the Bible.
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But listening to
Damon Snead, the chaplain,
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it was like hearing the
Bible for the first time.
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And
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his sermons,
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his teachings
grabbed us so much.
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We were both rebaptized
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last Sabbath here.
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And so there is an
aspect of this program
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that few people know about
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and that's the
spiritual component.
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And folks, you
are watching it now.
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This is typical
what happens here.
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People are just taken
back by this love that's shared
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and the sermons
certainly are important,
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and Damon has a message
that is just incredible.
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And you are a different man.
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Very much. Yeah.
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When we first arrived,
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we were here for four
years or a little bit more.
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When we first
arrived on this program,
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we looked at all the other folks
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and I said to my wife,
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"I don't know if we'll
fit in with this group."
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It looked kind of strange.
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But we grew to
know and love everyone.
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They're probably saying
the same thing about you.
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Exactly. Yeah.
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It's a very close-knit group.
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Isn't that amazing how that all
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just kind of melts together?
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Well, when the Lord's in
it, anything is possible.
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Yeah.
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Everything is possible. Yeah.
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I'm so glad you brought that up
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because it needs to
be said over the airways
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to people who want to come here,
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they don't know that
there's a spiritual component,
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and you certainly
has brought that out.
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So were you on any
medications when you got here?
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No.
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None? None.
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So did you see the doctor?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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We had regular
visits with Dr. Gallant.
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I haven't been on
medication for years.
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And has he given a
clean bill of health?
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Well, no.
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No?
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My blood test showed that
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I was close to this disease
and close to that disease,
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but didn't have them.
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So it was a wakeup call for me
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to stick with the
proper diet and exercise
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to make sure I don't
fall into those diseases.
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So now that you've
come through the program,
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those are not gonna happen.
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Not at all. Not at all.
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Now you are good to go.
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And I can guess what they are
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but nonetheless,
it doesn't matter.
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I know by being here,
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if you were pre this
or pre that, that's gone
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because we've seen so
many people with diabetes,
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and even cancers,
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and people who were
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on this kind of
machine and that machine,
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where they needed to
breathe, they'll get dialysis,
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get them off these machines
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just because
change in the lifestyle.
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That's right.
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And of course,
wherever the Lord is present,
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all things are
possible, anything is possible.
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Dr. Gallant...
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I have a CPAP machine.
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And Dr. Gallant said
if I stick to this program
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and the weight
continues to come off,
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the CPAP will also come off.
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That's right. I've seen it.
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Right here. With my own eyes.
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Well, I'm very,
very happy for you,
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and I just praise the Lord that
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you are who you
are and what you are
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and you are here with
your wife, supporting her,
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and the two of
you were baptized,
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I think that's incredible.
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But we are
running out of time. Okay.
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But I wanna thank
you for coming here
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and expressing
your deepest emotions.
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Thank you. And God
bless you, brother.
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Bless you too.
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I'll see you again. Yes.
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Don't go away, friends,
'cause Dr. Gallant is up next.
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Welcome back, friends.
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We have today
with us Dr. Gallant.
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Dr. Gallant.
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Good to see you, Pastor Snead.
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How are you doing? Doing well.
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We're gonna be talking
a little bit about Grant.
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Yes.
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And he had some troubles.
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He was here before, left,
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and then got in a
situation with his work,
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gained a lot of
weight, a lot of bad food,
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and got in a
pretty bad situation.
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So what can you
tell us about Grant?
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Well, Grant is a great guy.
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He is from the
Great White North,
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you know?
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I grew up half of
my childhood in Canada,
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so I'm somewhat
partial to people from Canada.
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But Grant is a great guy.
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He said it
himself that, you know,
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he came because he
had fallen off the wagon.
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And so he was
having weight gain,
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he was having some
issues with his blood pressure,
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and he had sleep apnea.
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And coming here,
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he started to get back on track,
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and you could just
see it in his eyes,
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his eyes changed, you know,
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and he is doing a lot better.
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At the end of the program,
he really had lost weight,
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and he was feeling
better, he could exercise more,
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he also was starting
to sleep better at night,
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the sleep apnea was
not as much of a problem.
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So praise the Lord for that.
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Yeah, so losing the
weight had a big factor
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and getting exercise.
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I know his job
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where he was
working a way up, you know,
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was keeping him from
being mobile, isn't it?
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And can that be a problem
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with people not
being able to sleep well?
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Absolutely. Absolutely.
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There is a lot of
evidence that shows that
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if you get regular
exercise during the day,
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not right before you go to bed,
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it helps you to
sleep better at night.
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Your body gets tired physically,
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but you also have changes
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in the chemicals, the
hormones in your body,
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and that helps you to
sleep better at night.
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His poor sleeping actually
had an impact on his wife.
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It kept his wife awake at night.
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Oh, very good point. Yeah.
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And so when he
started sleeping better,
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she was very happy
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because she could
sleep better as well.
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Oh, yeah, so you see,
that affects all kind of stuff.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Now something
about where he worked,
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the part of the
world where he worked,
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was there an issue
with daylight and sunlight
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and stuff like that?
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Absolutely.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
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So he was in the
Arctic, the very far north.
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And they don't have
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the same daylight
and nighttime as we do.
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In parts of the winter,
there is very little daylight.
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And then in parts of
that area during the summer,
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there is an
abundance of daylight
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where they only have a
little bit of darkness.
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And the light
affects our sleep patterns.
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It affects our
melatonin and our serotonin.
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Melatonin is more
of a nighttime hormone,
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and serotonin is
more of a daytime hormone.
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And when you are not getting
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the right light
at the right time,
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it makes it hard to be healthy.
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And so that affected his sleep.
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And then being up
there where it's so cold
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and there is all
kinds of wildlife,
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he couldn't
exercise and walk like
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he needed to and should have.
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And so that impacted his health
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and impacted his
weight gain as well.
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Yeah, so it sounded like
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he had a lot of things going on.
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No exercise, poor nutrition,
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the light problems,
and so he gets here,
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and all of these things,
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he starts learning
to do all over again.
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He is getting the
right amount of sunlight
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but at the right time.
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Amen.
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He is getting the nutrition,
he is getting the exercise,
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and then a few other things.
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Right.
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So his body just
starts going back
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to its normal
position what it should be.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And he did...
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You know, he started to
make these simple changes
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and he started to see
results fairly quickly,
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which is a blessing.
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And so I am just thankful that
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he had a good
experience while he was here,
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and you also played
a role in his healing.
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Yeah, that's the
spiritual component of it.
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That's right.
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Because
spiritual is so important
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with the physical healing.
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And I believe that
the spiritual component
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is the part that
keeps people on track
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when they leave here.
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Right, and that's
a big thing with him
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because he's going back to work.
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I'm hoping he
doesn't go back to work.
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Was he thinking of retiring?
He was thinking about it.
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I'm hoping he doesn't go back
to work 'cause being up there,
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being away for months at a time,
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not being with his wife,
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all of that, I
don't think is ideal.
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No, it's not ideal.
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You know, but a lot
of men and even women
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have this problem
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where work is the driving force,
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it throws
everything else out of whack.
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So what would
you suggest to people
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whose work is really
interfering in their life
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in so many levels like this?
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NEWSTART has two Ts.
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The first T actually
stands for temperance.
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So temperance means
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we have to have
a level of balance.
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And I'm guilty of
this at times myself.
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We can overwork and put
aside some of these principles
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that are so
important for our health.`
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And then when we do that,
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we reap the
consequences of our choices.
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And so it's really important
to try to maintain balance.
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And I suggested to him that
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if he did have
to go back to work,
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because he says he's retired
two or three times already,
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but if he does
have to go back to work,
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maybe try to find ways
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to incorporate these
principles into what he's doing,
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so it's not as
harmful, not as dangerous,
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and maybe take his wife with him
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and so they can be
supportive for each other
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at the same time.
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Yeah, because food
can become our friend,
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our comfort really quick.
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Absolutely.
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No spouse, no wife,
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all these other
miserable things going on.
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And you can
default to that so quickly.
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Well, he put on 30 pounds.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So you know,
and that's not good.
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So yeah, I think it's important
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that he maintain
balance at whatever he's doing,
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whether it's just being at home
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or he has to go back up north.
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He said there
was gonna be a break
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before there would be
an opportunity for him
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to go back up north.
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So I think that's good
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that he can kind of
reestablish the principles,
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both of them will have
them in their household,
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and I think that's important.
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But, you know, he
needs to be careful
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if he's going
back up there for work.
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Dr. Gallant, we are out of time.
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We appreciate you so
much. God bless, friend.
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God bless you too, pastor.
And it's good to talk to you.
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Don't go away,
friends. We'll be right back.
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Welcome back, friends.
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Help me welcome
the real Pastor Snead.
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We keep changing
chairs here. Yeah.
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You know? Well,
I'm over here now.
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I know you're over there.
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I think that's a
tougher chair to be in.
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Maybe so.
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'Cause all I got to
do is ask questions.
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But we don't wanna
confuse anybody watching,
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you were actually
over here. That's right.
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Now you're over
there. Now I am over here.
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So now you're a pastor.
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That's right. Okay.
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Let's talk about this gentleman.
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We know that
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he'd been up
north, way up north.
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What happened?
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I mean, basically,
how did he end up here?
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Well, he's in a pretty
good shape of a guy, right?
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He's an older guy
but was in good shape.
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But years and years
of working up north,
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you get up there and...
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Those are the kind of places
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that you take
advantage of the time
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'cause there's
nothing going on up there,
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so you just work, work, work,
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shift work, many, many hours,
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and what happened was
he just overworked himself,
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and that overworking,
that intemperance in working
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which is one of the
NEWSTART principles,
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temperance, goes for work.
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And he's in one of
these typical situations
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where men just work
themselves to death,
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and that bled over into
all kind of areas of his life.
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Spiritually,
physically, mentally,
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we're talking
about all of this, right?
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Right, that's one
of his testimonies.
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Right.
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The first thing that he
recognized was his weight,
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so the physical aspect.
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He has put on some
pounds. And this is the thing.
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Just because you're
working and, you know,
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we come home from
work, we're tired,
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we've been up all day long,
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but that
doesn't necessarily mean
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you're getting the kind of
physical activity you need,
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and that's what
we've seen with him.
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His weight begins to bulge in,
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he's up there overworking,
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so food becomes
comforting friend,
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and so he just, it
spirals out of control with him,
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and that's what happened.
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That's how he came back here,
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overweight, burned out mentally,
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and then also spiritually,
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he found himself in
spiritually bad condition
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as he was physically.
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And how is it that
you were able to...
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What do you do exactly
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that helps these
folks turn around,
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you know, like
him, specifically?
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Well, with these guys
and anyone in this situation,
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I always tell
them my first night
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that the principles
you're gonna learn for health
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are going to stick
better if you understand
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the spiritual aspects of things.
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And I just simply am taking
people through a good revival,
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understanding the gospel,
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which would include not
only the power of God to save us
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eternally into His kingdom but
00:20:03.53\00:20:05.07
that transformative power
of God that comes as a gift,
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as a promise of the Holy Spirit.
00:20:08.97\00:20:10.51
And that's what people need
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because of the
weakness of our flesh,
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our nature's falling,
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it's just natural proclivity
of ours when we burn out,
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tired, stressed from overwork,
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it's just a natural
desire to go to food and to eat
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and not exercise
and just lay around
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and watch TV and to
make ourselves feel better.
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And so we need the power
of God to come into our mind
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and snap us out
of that, so to speak.
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And so when he gets
here, he realizes that.
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Yeah, his health
is getting better,
00:20:36.46\00:20:37.93
he's doing the
eight NEWSTART principles,
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and his weight's coming
down, the numbers are dropping,
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but then he realizes that
00:20:42.47\00:20:44.01
the spiritual is
the main issue with him.
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He needed to be
reconnected to God
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in the way to help him
with his physical problems.
00:20:50.25\00:20:53.65
So you've given him hope,
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where when he got here, he
was at the end of the rope,
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so to speak, thinking
he was dying, literally,
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maybe he didn't
know spiritually.
00:21:04.09\00:21:06.26
But he could tell
through physical ailments
00:21:06.29\00:21:09.76
that he was not doing good.
00:21:09.80\00:21:11.73
Would that be
pretty much... Yeah, sure.
00:21:11.77\00:21:14.07
And he realized that
00:21:14.10\00:21:15.54
the physical was but a
shadow of the spiritual,
00:21:15.57\00:21:17.77
and he was one of the
ones who was rebaptized.
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Right.
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And really felt
this connection with God,
00:21:21.38\00:21:24.75
and had this
hope, I like the word.
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I always start off with hope.
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He had this hope
that he's got to go back
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'cause he was
going back to work again,
00:21:31.79\00:21:33.22
he was thinking about retiring,
but he's going back in.
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But now he can go
back realizing that
00:21:36.99\00:21:39.26
he doesn't have to do
things the way he's done.
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He can take these
principles, implement them,
00:21:41.20\00:21:43.67
and even in an
extreme condition of work
00:21:43.70\00:21:45.73
like his kind of work,
00:21:45.77\00:21:48.77
he can still keep the physical
in its right perspective,
00:21:48.80\00:21:53.54
but he'll do it
now through spiritual,
00:21:53.58\00:21:56.01
through relying
on God to help him.
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And relying on God's power,
00:21:58.85\00:22:00.48
you know, we
talk about the battle
00:22:00.52\00:22:01.85
between the
flesh and the spirit,
00:22:01.88\00:22:03.22
you know, towards the
end of our time together,
00:22:03.25\00:22:05.45
and how God can come in
00:22:05.49\00:22:06.99
and override the flesh's desire,
00:22:07.02\00:22:09.79
the spirit can say,
"Hey, put that down,"
00:22:09.82\00:22:11.59
or "Hey, get up and
go walk," or "Hey..."
00:22:11.63\00:22:14.00
You know, and he
realized the importance of that,
00:22:14.03\00:22:16.26
and I think he's gonna
benefit greatly from it.
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I know. That's great.
00:22:18.40\00:22:20.00
You know, we're
just about out of time.
00:22:20.04\00:22:21.87
But I wanted to
thank you for two things.
00:22:21.90\00:22:24.34
For being here
for this interview,
00:22:24.37\00:22:26.34
and for taking my
place for the previous one.
00:22:26.37\00:22:29.91
Friends, don't go away.
00:22:29.94\00:22:31.35
We got something to show you.
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Welcome to Weimar
Institute Research.
00:22:35.72\00:22:38.45
Glad you've joined us today.
00:22:38.49\00:22:40.29
And with me is the Director
of Weimar Institute Research,
00:22:40.32\00:22:44.26
and also teaching
research methods at the college,
00:22:44.29\00:22:47.20
Dr. Eddie Ramirez.
00:22:47.23\00:22:49.60
And this is a nice study
00:22:49.63\00:22:51.40
where we collaborate with
some international researchers.
00:22:51.43\00:22:55.70
And this particular analysis
actually helps us to realize
00:22:55.74\00:23:02.34
that tobacco is a
little more dangerous than
00:23:02.38\00:23:04.91
we thought of for the mind.
00:23:04.95\00:23:06.61
That's right.
00:23:06.65\00:23:07.98
We've known that tobacco
is not good for the arteries,
00:23:08.02\00:23:10.69
it's not good for the lungs,
it's not good for the liver,
00:23:10.72\00:23:14.19
and kidneys
even for that matter,
00:23:14.22\00:23:16.79
but it really
hasn't been looked at
00:23:16.83\00:23:18.89
in regards to that much
related to mental health.
00:23:18.93\00:23:23.70
But first of all, Dr. Ramirez,
00:23:23.73\00:23:28.10
tell us about this
study and who was studied.
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That's right.
00:23:32.01\00:23:33.34
We were seeing
00:23:33.38\00:23:35.74
what relationship does
tobacco use have on depression,
00:23:35.78\00:23:41.05
and what happens
after the people participate
00:23:41.08\00:23:44.42
of an eight-week
mental education program,
00:23:44.45\00:23:48.12
what happens to their
level of tobacco usage,
00:23:48.16\00:23:50.79
and what happens to
their level of mental health.
00:23:50.83\00:23:54.00
Okay.
00:23:54.03\00:23:55.36
So they're coming to
00:23:55.40\00:23:57.07
a depression and
anxiety recovery program
00:23:57.10\00:24:00.00
which is just once a
week for eight weeks,
00:24:00.04\00:24:02.20
a mental health program,
00:24:02.24\00:24:03.77
and they're taking
a little assessment
00:24:03.81\00:24:07.04
at the beginning.
00:24:07.08\00:24:08.41
And one of the
things that we're assessing
00:24:08.44\00:24:10.68
is their tobacco usage.
00:24:10.71\00:24:12.68
That's right.
00:24:12.71\00:24:14.05
And so what did we find out?
00:24:14.08\00:24:15.58
How many of them
were using tobacco,
00:24:15.62\00:24:18.72
and what did it do
to their mental health?
00:24:18.75\00:24:20.62
That's right.
00:24:20.66\00:24:21.99
We found out that
from 5,621 people,
00:24:22.02\00:24:28.43
456 were using tobacco products.
00:24:28.46\00:24:32.60
Okay.
00:24:32.63\00:24:33.97
And did we compare them
00:24:34.00\00:24:36.91
with the ones who were
not using tobacco products?
00:24:36.94\00:24:38.27
That's right.
00:24:38.31\00:24:39.64
We compared them against those
00:24:39.67\00:24:41.01
that were not
using tobacco products.
00:24:41.04\00:24:43.08
If you were
using tobacco products,
00:24:43.11\00:24:44.85
your depression was 16 points,
00:24:44.88\00:24:47.55
almost to the
severe type of depression
00:24:47.58\00:24:50.79
compared to those that were
not using the tobacco products,
00:24:50.82\00:24:53.96
on average, at the
beginning, it was of 12.
00:24:53.99\00:24:56.93
So there was a big difference
in their mental health.
00:24:56.96\00:24:59.63
Significant
worsening really of depression.
00:24:59.66\00:25:03.10
And anxiety
also. And anxiety also.
00:25:03.13\00:25:05.90
So you measured anxiety as well.
00:25:05.93\00:25:07.74
So it's
interesting because many times
00:25:07.77\00:25:09.40
the smoker uses it to
deal with their anxiety,
00:25:09.44\00:25:13.44
yet, if they're using tobacco,
00:25:13.48\00:25:16.04
their anxiety is
actually moderate levels
00:25:16.08\00:25:19.61
while those that are
not using the tobacco
00:25:19.65\00:25:22.08
at the beginning had
mild levels of anxiety.
00:25:22.12\00:25:24.99
It's one of these classic things
00:25:25.02\00:25:26.89
where the people think
00:25:26.92\00:25:28.46
what's helping them
is actually hurting them
00:25:28.49\00:25:31.13
because it seems to
help them short-term,
00:25:31.16\00:25:33.93
but they don't recognize
00:25:33.96\00:25:35.30
what it's doing long-term
to their brain chemistry.
00:25:35.33\00:25:37.93
And so many people smoke tobacco
00:25:37.97\00:25:40.84
in order to feel
calm and relaxed,
00:25:40.87\00:25:43.37
but in reality,
00:25:43.41\00:25:44.77
they are actually getting
rid of some brain chemicals
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that can help them
feel calm and relaxed.
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And as a result, their
anxiety levels go up long-term
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as well as their
depression levels.
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So during the
course of the eight weeks,
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what happened?
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So we have
focused on helping them,
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giving tools so they
can overcome addictions.
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And even though this is not
a smoking succession program,
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we actually got rates similar to
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a smoking succession program.
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By the end of the program,
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from those 556 people
that were using it, by the end,
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98 had decided to stop
using the tobacco products.
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Okay, so significant amount.
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And you're right,
that's actually equal or above
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a program that
would just be utilized
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to help them quit smoking.
00:26:36.93\00:26:38.99
But by giving them
mental health program,
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not only were the rates the same
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as going to one of those
programs of quitting smoking,
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but their depression
and anxiety improved.
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Is that right? That's right.
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By the end of the
program, their depression level,
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if you were
able to quit smoking,
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was on the border
between non and mild,
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while if you continue
using the smoke product,
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you did get some
benefits from the program,
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but your depression is
gonna be at the mild level.
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Okay, so significant improvement
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if they quit smoking,
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and they quit that
addiction during the program.
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Lot of people think,
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"Hey, their anxiety
level's gonna get worse.
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I am coming to help my anxiety,
I don't need to quit smoking."
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But those who did quit smoking,
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experienced
significant improvement
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in their depression and anxiety.
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And anxiety
levels, it went from six.
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If you quit
smoking, it went down to five
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which is non-depression.
00:27:31.15\00:27:33.05
And if you continue
using the tobacco products,
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it's gonna be on six
which is a mild anxiety.
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Now was this published?
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This was published in
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Drug Metabolism and
Pharmacokinetic journal.
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Okay.
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And one of the
students from Weimar was our...
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One of them, you
know, processing data
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and writing
things up and so forth.
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Great.
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And so we appreciate what
you are teaching the world
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through this data
analysis, Dr. Ramirez,
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as real lives have
changed for the better.
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