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Hey friends, welcome to
another edition of NEWSTART Now.
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I'm your host Damon Snead.
I'm filling in for Ron Giannoni.
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We have in our studio today
Telecia Cooke. Let's take a look
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at her life before
she came to NEWSTART.
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There are lots of reasons why
I came to Weimar. Number one,
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I spent the past 24 years home
schooling my children and I see
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myself as a caregiver. I've
taken care of my children and
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elderly people because we own
an assisted living facility for
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elderly and I enjoy taking care
of people. But now I need to
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take care of myself. Coming away
from my everyday schedule and
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seeing God's handiwork, stopping
to smell the roses, it's a
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beautiful thing. Before I leave
here I'd like to have a renewal,
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a spiritual renewal, a health
renewal, emotional renewal.
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Just learning how to love myself
and take care of myself again
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like I take care of others.
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Hey friends, welcome
back. Telesia welcome.
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Thank you.
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How are you doing?
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I'm doing great.
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So tell me about your experience
here a little bit. When you came
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here what you thought. How
have things progressed for you?
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Well when I came here I didn't
know totally everything I was
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going to get but I knew I wanted
to come here. I wanted to lose
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some weight. I knew I was going
to learn something, didn't know
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exactly what,
but I got much more.
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So what was the big surprise
for you in this program? Maybe
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something you didn't
expect that happened?
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What I did expect is
finding Jesus in a personal way.
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I didn't expect that. I knew I
was going to eat some good food,
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some different recipes I would
learn but I realized that the
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NEWSTART program was more about
my relationship with God and
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that the food part was
just an extension of that.
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It's interesting. We have a
lot of people who have that same
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testimony. They come here with
health issues, problems going on
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in their life and they're
looking through a solution
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through health, but then they'll
come away saying, man I realized
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that it was my life with Christ.
There was something that was
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missing there, something I knew
was deeper with and then the
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health was always a bonus. And
Steve Romel tells all you that
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on that first Sunday night that
we here believe in prayer, we're
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a team that believes in
the power of God to aid in this
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healing process and so you
got that from the beginning.
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From the beginning. You know
you talked about the will of
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faith and you took a lot from
Steps to Christ and I've always
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had the book Steps to Christ
but to understand it in a way
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that you presented it just
opened my mind to a whole new
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level of coming to Christ and
literally the steps to get to
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Him which I didn't understand
that fully until really I heard
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the message in the way you
presented it. I think from each
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person that works here to the
participants, God was showing
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me something. He was showing me
another step. It's just really
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amazing. The words Steps
to Christ took on a whole new
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language from every step. The
moto here is walk, walk, walk
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and literally with each step
walking with a different person
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each day the Lord was showing me
a different step going towards
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Him.
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Now it's interesting that you
say that the walk, walk, walk,
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I like how you tie that with
walking with God. But how was
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exercise for you here? Did
that get better? Did you get in
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better shape or
how did that work out?
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I think I got in better shape
because I had a car accident at
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end of 2016 and I was not mobile
for the past two years. I have
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not exercised at all. So I
came here broken. I came here
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thinking that I couldn't really
move much. I was hoping to get
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better but I didn't realize how
not moving actually kept me in
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a stage of pain. It kept me
stiff, it kept me immobile and
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just by taking a step and more
steps each day, it led me to a
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new place both spiritually
and physically and emotionally.
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You see how you do that. You
keep tying that spiritual to the
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health side, OK, so the
exercise is difficult at first
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it's painful. Yeah. Yeah but you
started progressing and doing
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well and all along spiritually
you're taking kind of that same
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journey.
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That's the part that's crazy
to me is that it all tied in.
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Even my walk this morning with
one of the participants I was
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just wow, we're making steps,
we're taking one step closer
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to the mountaintop. We're just
taking one step closer to Christ
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and even though it's like
OK Steps to Christ, I'm really
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taking steps closer to Christ
and one step closer to health
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and one step closer
to, just to him overall.
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So the health is moving
along with the spirituality.
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Now you know talking about
another part of the program, how
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was the food here?
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The food was delicious and
I enjoy good quality food and
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I was surprised how flavorful.
It was wonderful. The cooking
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classes were great, the flavors
and not having oil and not
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having refined sugars and it
all came together beautifully.
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You can't imagine how food is
ever going to taste good. When
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you first get here you're like
this is going to be a terrible
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experience but I'm in it. When
people leave, and this has been
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most of the testimonies, they
cannot believe the food ended up
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being that good food.
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It was delicious and
anyone that knows me knows I
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like good quality food well
seasoned and it was very good
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and I was able to lose weight
and I just feel good. I feel
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great. My pain level has
diminished and I feel good.
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So not tell me about your doctor
your experience with your doctor
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Who was your doctor again?
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Dr. Gallant.
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Dr. Gallant. Dr. G. How
was your experience with Dr. G?
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Very well. He's very
professional and very
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knowledgeable and he was
very helpful, very helpful.
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Very caring.
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He's in tune with his patients.
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He's passionate about this whole
NEWSTART program. He believes
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it. I appreciate that he
began each session with prayer.
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He gets on his knees and he puts
himself before the Father in a
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humble way and that his message
is coming from God. So I really
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appreciate that. He made the
focus that's not just about, you
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know, we or this. It's really
the whole package. I think
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everyone that works here
that was the emphasis from the
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hydrotherapy she prayed and
had devotional with me and she
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infused my name in the
devotional text and I really
appreciated that. It was
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very personalized. And so I just
thought that was great. Even the
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medical center, the people that
take your lab work, they prayed
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with me, at the clinic. I mean
where does that happen in our
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traditional health care system.
But they have the lab technician
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hold your hand and pray with
you after he draws your blood.
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So where am I?
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You don't feel like a stranger
in some of these clinics where
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you're just a diagnosis waiting
to happen. You feel like a
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brother or a sister to these
people and they're trying to
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help you through the power
of God enlightening their minds
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to your condition.
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Yeah completely. You walk
through those doors and even
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though they're not seeing you
personally they look at you in
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the eyes and they say hello.
Yeah. That's very special. And
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it's very... you can tell
that the Holy Spirit is here.
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So now what is a big takeaway,
a big ah-ha moment, something
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that you're going to remember
the most, the biggest impact?
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It can be the spiritual or the
spiritual and the health side.
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Give us one on each.
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OK, I'll start with the health.
I understand that even a little
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bit can ruin the whole batch.
You know, like one rotten apple
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could ruin the whole batch
of apples. I just feel like you
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know we make excuses just to
have a little bit of this and a
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little bit of that and it makes
a big difference. So I think you
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mentioned in one of your morning
devotions. Be careful of doing
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that. You know it's OK to
take a little bit of this and a
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a little bit of that and our
relationship with God's the same
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way. We're not going to go back.
We're going to go forward on
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that wheel of faith and we're
going to do it every day. We're
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going to die to self every day.
So beside the food I learned
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was portion size and the
quality of food, whole food
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eaten whole. The spiritual
component was key. The wheel
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of faith knowing that God is
love, knowing that we have to
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have a sinners need, I have to
realize my need for Christ and
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I have to get to that point
of repentance and just it was a
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great diagram. It was a great
way to think about the process
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and knowing that I have to
do this daily, I have to die to
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self-daily and if I start with
that, that's going to help me
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control other things in my life.
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Yes ma'am. And that's why he's
is going to help you control
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everything. Well Telecia, we are
out of time but we thank you so
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very much. May God bless.
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Thank you so much.
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Friends don't go away, we'll
be right back with Dr. Gallant.
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Welcome back friends. We
have today with us Dr. Gallant.
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Dr. Gallant, welcome.
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Thank you, good to
see you Pastor Snead.
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Today we're going to be talking
about a young lady, Ms. Telecia,
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that has been in pretty good
health, a young lady, and then
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had a tragic accident and
it went downhill from there.
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What can you tell us about her?
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She has sustained a back injury
in this car accident and she had
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been healthy exercising.
She showed me some pictures from
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before and she really had been
working out and doing a lot of
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things and because of her back
injury she was limited in what
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she could do; limited in her
exercise, limited in her sleep,
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and just having a lot of pain
and I think, as we've talked
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about before, she found comfort,
comfort in food and she says she
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gained over 100 pounds.
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Whew, that's a lot of weight!
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That's a lot of weight. So
that's really hard on your body
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and that produces a lot
of health challenges. She was
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having a lot of back pain,
also having hip pain and so that
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limited her exercise. A couple
months back her husband came
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to the program and he said
he really wanted to send her up
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here. And I think that's
so important. I think it's
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important for couples to be
united, to be on the same page,
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especially when it comes to
lifestyle and health. So I'm
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glad that she was able to come
and she has seen that this is a
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life changer.
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We've had a lot of couples
here where they didn't have that
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support at home and going
back home was always difficult.
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Yes. Without the support.
Now something you talked about.
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Weight gain on the body. You
know if you take just something
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as small as a 10-pound dumbbell
and walk around with that for a
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few hours you feel the
weight on your body much less a
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50-pound on each side, a hundred
pounds. So how does weight, even
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on a young person, how can that
affect the bones, the joints?
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Well you know excess weight
creates stress on your joints
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and that makes them wear out
quicker you know. So when you're
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carrying excess weight like that
it's hard on your body, it's
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hard on your joints. She
has back pain and excess weight
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makes the back pain worse.
It exacerbates it so it makes it
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harder for it to get better and
she didn't feel like exercising
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and she didn't have a lot of
energy. She was sick and hurting
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and frustrated with all
these things that had happened
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because her health prior
to that has been very good.
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Yeah and they don't want to get
up, they don't want to move and
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then it gets worse and we've
seen that where some can get so
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bad, so immobile then they
can't and it really gets out
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It's hard, it's really hard. And
what I tell people is when these
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happen is you really have
to just start where you are and
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just do a little bit. Tell you
a quick story. There was a man
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who lived on a half-mile drive
way in the country and he was
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having chest pain. His mail box
was at the road and the house
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was a half-mile in. And he made
up his mind that he was going
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walk and walk a little bit
more every day. So he'd walk
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towards the mail box until
he started to get pain. Then he
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would make a line in the gravel
with his foot, rest and walk
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back home. The next day his goal
was to go past that line and
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make a new line and when he
did that within a month he could
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walk to the mail box, rest
and walk back home. Within two
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months he could walk to the
mailbox and back without having
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to stop. And that's what people
need to do. If you are in this
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circumstance where you've had an
injury or you've just let things
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go and suddenly you find
yourself in a position where
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you're overweight, you're sick,
you have health challenges, if
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you can just start some
lifestyle changes and just
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slowly start and gradually
increase a little bit every day.
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Makes a world of difference.
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So now what kind of
advances; did she do well here?
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She did well. She's lost weight.
She's able to exercise more.
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She's walking like seven
to eight miles a day. She is
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feeling better. Overall she has
more energy. She's excited about
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the things she has learned and
the things she is starting to
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implement in her life. In fact,
her husband and herself own a
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seniors' care home and she wants
to take some of these principles
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and apply them for some
of the residents at her home.
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Oh now that would be excellent
because you know as we see here
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we've had some really older
guests here, you know, 86, 87
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years old and to see them moving
around. And we've had a lot of
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people in this session that
had some mobility issues and you
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doubt at first but now I know
why y'all tell them that. If you
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can just walk to the hallway and
back and I see them doing that
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and you know Peter was one in
this session. At the end of the
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session he was at Empire mine
walking. He's got to rest, but
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he's much better.
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Oh yeah, it makes a difference.
It really makes a difference.
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And you know it strengthens your
heart and that improves your
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circulation and circulation
is what's important because what
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does the Bible say about blood?
The life. Blood is where the
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life is, so you've got to get
that good blood to every cell
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in your body and when you
do that, you're going to have
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better health. And as you
do that you're going to fix the
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problems that you have. You're
going to improve your weight,
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you're going to decrease the
stress on your joints, you're
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going to sleep better at night
which helps your body to heal
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and repair. Everything starts to
improve. I tell people if they
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want to get off medicine
they have to replace it with a
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different medicine and
walking is the medicine.
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And you know in every session
you can almost see the room
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around, people are
like: OK we get it but they're
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not real convinced but by the
end I mean you see some of these
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people. They don't want to quit
walking. They're evaporating
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before our eyes because they
know and they feel the benefit
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from the body moving, getting
flexible, fluidity to it, the
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more weight they lose the easier
it is to move around. Absolutely
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Absolutely. And yeah so
these principles are great here
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They're God's principles,
that's why they work.
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That's right. And them being in
health care facility so to speak
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working with people, it's easy
to get out of shape themselves.
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Sure, sure. Because Brian
too, they both were having these
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Yes, so it's important and I'm
excited about what's going to
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happen in their lives and
what's going to happen with
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their residents. I really am
excited to see how God is going
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bless through what they're doing
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Oh yeah, she was sharing some
of that even in counseling with
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me about taking some of
these older people, the people
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infirmed, and get them
moving, getting them exercising,
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changing the way they eat.
Because a lot of times you go
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into some of these facilities
and the food is deplorable. You
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know, they're not moving around,
they're playing checkers all day
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long right, right, and they're
just deteriorating. Here we got
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a young person on one end of the
spectrum and then on the other
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end we've got these 87-year-
olds that are here and they're
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all benefitting
tremendously from the exercise.
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Yes, yes, so it's important,
it's important and we've got to
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do it every day. Because you
know some people say well I walk
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three days a week. Well yeah
that's great, but if this is
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becoming your medicine, how
beneficial is medicine if you
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take it three days a week.
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Great point, Doctor.
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So you've got to do it every
day, got to do it every day.
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It's the new medicine.
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That's right,
that's right, that's right.
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Well anything else about her as
we're getting ready to wrap up
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that comes to mind that you?...
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Well, I'm just excited to
see that she's excited about
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lifestyle change. And
she's going to share what she's
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learned with others and
I'm really looking forward to
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hearing the reports of
how things go with her and her
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family, because I think it's
going to be a rich blessing,
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not only for her family and
the people in her home but her
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circle of influence.
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Well, Dr. Gallant, we're out
of time but I think you so much,
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God bless.
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God bless you too. Good
to see you Pastor Snead.
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Friends don't go
away. We'll be right back.
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Welcome to Weimar Institute
Research and today we have
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Dr. Ramirez, the head of our
research at Weimar College, who
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teaches in our health science
department research method and
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today we have another
angle at looking at some health
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principles. Tell us about this
particular angle Dr. Ramirez.
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Yeah, this one is dealing about
regularity and it's interesting
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because you know I've been
through more than 60 countries
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lecturing about these principles
of NEWSTART and people come to
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me and said you know this
is the first time I hear that
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regularity is
important for my health.
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Yeah. We know that circadian
rhythms are important and this
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is our daily cycle. And we
also know light helps set the
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circadian rhythms and if our
circadian rhythms are doing well
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we're going to be sleeping
better. But this is also taking
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a look at not only regularity
regarding sleep but regularity
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in another area.
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Also in your meals, eating your
meals at the same time every day
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including the weekends.
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So if you have regularity in
eating it actually can improve
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your health.
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That's right.
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Now what area of health were
you looking at. We were focusing
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here on mental health. What
effect does regularity in eating
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and sleeping have
on your depression.
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You know, I went to a GI
conference a little over a year
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ago where they talked about even
our bowel has a circadian rhythm
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and it does much better if we
have that rhythm aligned and on
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a regular basis.
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And we have the solution to
the blue Monday that many people
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suffer from worldwide.
00:24:06.57\00:24:09.31
Yeah the blue Monday, because
they get off on their sleep and
00:24:09.34\00:24:15.32
they get off on their meals.
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That's right.
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So how many people were
you looking at in this survey.
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So this is a big sample; 5621
participants that did an eight
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week community
education program.
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OK and that community education
program was the depression and
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anxiety recovery program. And
by going to that program they
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take a test at the beginning
to see where they're at and
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assess them and what did we
find out in that first test?
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What we found out is that
those people that don't have
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regularity tend to have higher
levels of depression, 15 points
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on average, compared to those
that have that regularity, the
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mental health is much better.
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OK, so regularity in both things
then, sleeping and eating, will
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actually help your depression
and anxiety significantly,
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or not make it as
severe if you have it.
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And we also found out that those
that are not regular, about 30
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percent of them they don't
sleep good. They have bad sleep.
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OK. So it will also affect your
sleep. Now what happened during
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the eight weeks then.
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So during the eight weeks they
were educated on these NEWSTART
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principles that are so important
but also on that regularity
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because our brain does not work
when there's disaster in our
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lives.
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OK. So were some of them
convinced enough to change their
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lifestyle. I know the program
isn't just about regularity,
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there are a lot of other
things like cognitive behavioral
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therapy and nutrition. But
did some people actually change
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their lifestyle habit?
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By the end of the program,
12 percent of those nonregulars
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decided to become regulars and
it was reflected in their scores
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OK. So if they did
become regular what happened?
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If they became regular, it was
reflected on lower depression
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levels, some of them
non depression levels. Also
00:26:17.21\00:26:20.88
their sleep quality. Only
8 percent by the end of the
00:26:20.91\00:26:28.42
program had bad sleep. So
from 30 percent that didn't have
00:26:28.45\00:26:34.19
regularity those are regular; by
the end 8 percent only had bad
00:26:34.22\00:26:38.59
sleep.
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So just becoming regular in the
time you're going to bed, the
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time you're getting up and
regular in meals can turn you
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from a bad sleeper into a
good sleeper. That's a dramatic
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improvement. The vast majority
of those who did that improved
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just by doing that.
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That's right.
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And as a result of improving
their circadian rhythms of their
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sleep patterns and their meals
their depression and anxiety
00:27:01.52\00:27:05.12
recovery scores
became far better as well.
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I would like to encourage you
to be regular in your sleeping
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and eating habits. It can pay
rich dividends in better sleep
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and better mood. Thank you
for watching Weimar Institute
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Research.
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