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01:11 Hi, friends.
01:12 And welcome to another edition of NEWSTART Now. 01:15 I'm your host Ron Giannoni. 01:18 In our studio is with me right now is Robert Smith 01:23 all the way from Grass Valley, California 01:25 which is about 20 minutes away. 01:28 Nonetheless, let's take a look at when Robert first arrived. 01:34 So I'm here to jumpstart my spiritual life 01:38 and try to deal with my health and physiology 01:42 and more nutrition, increasing focus level. 01:45 I'm like most people, 01:47 I'm addicted to sugar, and breads, and caffeine, 01:52 all the rest, I always eat that I never cook. 01:55 And I'm certain that has a profound effect 01:58 to my psyche so. 02:00 I hope that I can make a lifestyle change here and... 02:07 Welcome back, friends, in our studio, Robert. 02:10 Hey. All right, brother. 02:11 I'm okay, thank you. 02:13 Yeah, you say you're doing okay, 02:14 but I know there's you have a little few down time here. 02:18 And, you know, we can talk about the bad and the good 02:24 and just want you to relax and be who you are, you know. 02:28 But you did say some things to me before the interview 02:32 that were positive, like, how much weight you lost? 02:36 Well, I've lost between 80 and 20 pounds 02:38 that shows 20.3 officially 02:40 but I had a lot more clothes on that first day. 02:42 Okay. 02:44 And so I figured I lost about 18 pounds. 02:45 Which is primarily right here, I'm quite happy about that. 02:47 Good. So that's good news. That's good news. 02:50 Now what about numbers, medications, 02:54 how your numbers look? 02:56 Well actually, the numbers are pretty solid 03:01 coming in even though my lifestyle 03:02 has not been very healthy 03:03 in terms of the weight and such like that. 03:06 But my kidney numbers are better, 03:09 my kidney functioning numbers because the extra water I think 03:12 and high water content diet food 03:14 also made a difference there. 03:16 Yeah. But your HDL is good. 03:18 HDL'S got better, 03:19 and the bad cholesterol is lowered. 03:21 Good. So that's good news. You bet it is. 03:23 Now you said something else to me, how's your walking? 03:30 Well, walking is... 03:33 Definitely I'm more walking than when I came. 03:35 But it's a struggle. Yeah. 03:38 It depends because when the depression hits me, 03:41 I become really self-conscious and nervous and such 03:47 I don't want to be around people, 03:49 so I've kind of backed off on some. 03:52 And in the last couple of days I haven't walked much, 03:55 but I'm committed to getting back to early morning walking 03:57 'cause I have in the past. 03:59 And I remember another time 04:01 I lost a significant amount of weight 04:02 and it was usually due to a lot of walking. 04:05 Yeah. 04:06 And I found that as I started walking, 04:08 my diet changed because I realized 04:10 I was feeling better and more energy, 04:12 and I kind of was automatically less drawn to the foods 04:16 that weren't good for me. 04:18 I started not having those steamrolls 04:20 in the morning stuff like that. 04:22 It's just like when you, I find when I take care of myself 04:24 in one area of my life, it does spill over. 04:27 I think God just made us that way 04:30 'cause you start thinking more health, 04:31 in a more health conscious way, 04:32 and you want to keep improving. 04:34 You've mentioned to me 04:36 that you had been exposed to a vegan lifestyle, 04:40 but never really indulged. 04:44 What do you think of the food here? 04:48 I think that... 04:50 Truth now. It's healthy. 04:52 It's healthy. Yeah. 04:54 You don't necessarily like it 04:55 but it's healthy, is that what you do. 04:57 I tell you, I am learning from the cooking classes 04:59 which have been helpful that, 05:01 you know, by in the sauces and the things that you make, 05:07 basically six different types of taste buds 05:10 you've got the sweet, the spicy, the pungent all this 05:13 and you can find a way to include that 05:15 in most of your food 05:16 so that you're getting those taste you're used to. 05:19 And so I had hope, I gained hope 05:21 when Michelle, the cook talked about that. 05:26 And we've been making dishes, 05:28 you know, in the cooking class and... 05:30 What was your favorite dish? 05:35 Well, we made, one day we made a bean salad, 05:40 I guess it was a three bean salad, 05:41 and we had some other types of salads. 05:47 We had some chips that day and that's a pretty good day. 05:52 I discovered that you really can have 05:54 a good balance of flavor and eat healthy 05:57 because I in my mind, 05:59 I never believed that was possible. 06:00 I can tell you this after the fast, 06:02 they gave us simply the three vegetables, 06:04 the steamed broccoli, steamed cauliflower 06:07 which I've always loath. 06:08 And then some cabbage which is basically also... 06:13 And I'm used to eating cabbage but with a ham hock in there 06:16 and some butter and probably salt pepper. 06:19 They didn't give you any ham hock? 06:21 No, none came. 06:22 None came. 06:24 I mean, it was tough day. 06:25 I mean, I filled up about 10 bites 06:29 after 72 hours of fasting. 06:30 But you fasted on water and what? 06:33 Water and some of this colored parfait. 06:36 That's not what I called it 06:38 but I didn't even have any of the parfait 06:42 the final day and a half but... 06:46 Well, how was that experience? 06:48 Well, it was healthy. 06:51 I mean, it kind of got me thinking 06:52 I need to be praying more focusing on, depending on God, 06:56 and that's part of the reason for a fast 06:58 I think spiritually is to look up and go, God, 06:59 I really feel hungry, but fill my need, help me. 07:03 You know, I'm not eating right now. 07:06 And I would mandate a prayer and fasting some at our church, 07:09 I was a part of many, many years ago, 07:11 we fasted for a week. 07:12 But we began with fruit and fruit juices 07:15 and then nothing 07:17 but water for the last four days something like that. 07:18 And I did notice one real positive 07:22 and that is that my stomach shrunk 07:25 and, of course, what that means is that I fill up more quickly. 07:29 And if I can kind of learn to do the push backs 07:31 right on the edge of being full, 07:33 I don't stress so it's steady back out 07:35 so I can be full within less portions. 07:39 So that's been a positive since I've been here. 07:40 Now who has taught you all these? 07:41 Who is your doctor by the way? 07:43 Dr. Gallant. Dr. Gallant. 07:45 Yes. 07:46 How's he been for you to work with? 07:49 That's been good. 07:50 He's been, we prayed every time, 07:52 we're always praying. 07:53 He's a pretty neat guy. He is. 07:55 And part of the challenge for me has been 08:00 the depression things that hit me. 08:05 And I remember sharing our first meeting 08:10 Dr. Gallant was saying, 08:12 I'm gonna be setting an appointment 08:13 with a new psychiatrist 08:14 because I've changed insurance and he's a really good guy. 08:16 And so, you know, he's going to want to give you medication 08:20 with kind of a point of condescension 08:22 his voice as he shared that. 08:25 And I know they're not ideal, 08:28 and they have side effects and such. 08:31 But in my experience 08:33 when I'm doing well in medication, 08:35 I would be feeling better 08:36 and tend to just come off of it. 08:38 I think, well, I'm doing good, 08:39 I know it's a matter of how I think, 08:41 but I haven't been combining that two things, 08:44 I think it's important for me 08:46 not to come off the medication series 08:48 just to go to cold turkey and do it with the council, 08:52 the psychiatrist along with increasing 08:54 and bettering my diet. 08:56 I've never taken on that strategy. 08:58 I believe, I most likely could function maybe well with that. 09:01 Yeah. 09:02 But my experience I really need it. 09:04 And that's been... 09:11 you know, that's... 09:12 It's a challenge. It's been a challenge for me. 09:14 It's been a great challenge. 09:16 It's cost me and mislay in my life. 09:18 Robert, we've run out of time, 09:20 but I want to thank you for taking your time 09:23 and being willing to be interviewed and speak, 09:26 and hopefully someone watching you would help in some ways. 09:31 But God bless you. Thank you. 09:32 I hope to see you on Sabbath. I appreciate that. 09:34 Okay. 09:35 And, friends, don't go away because Dr. Gallant is up next. 09:43 Welcome back, friends. 09:45 Dr. Roger Gallant. 09:46 Good to see you, Ron. Good to see you too. 09:48 Now Doctor this dawned on me, 09:50 this is about your second year you've been here, right? 09:53 Two and a half years, actually. 09:54 Two and half years. 09:56 And you are the medical director? 09:58 Yes. 10:00 And you do ER work 10:02 and what else have you done it with, 10:04 like, you do surgery? 10:06 No, I don't do surgery 10:07 other than minor procedures in the ER, 10:09 but we have a clinic here on campus 10:12 and I work there in the clinic as well 10:14 doing some primary care and lifestyle medicine. 10:16 And the clinic I understand 10:18 has a dentist and a chiropractor and... 10:21 That's right. 10:22 Psychologists or psychiatrists. 10:24 Psychologists is coming not there yet, 10:26 but coming soon. 10:27 Okay. 10:29 So you actually minister to people 10:31 from all walks of life and all kinds of conditions. 10:35 And would you be one of the doctors 10:37 that might do a recommendation to a specialist? 10:40 Sure, absolutely. Okay. 10:42 Well, I want our viewers to see that 10:45 because it's new and it's not really well known yet, 10:48 and I just want to give a little plug. 10:49 Well, thank you. We appreciate that, Ron. 10:53 So, Robert, Robert came to us a couple of weeks ago. 10:57 Yes. Pretty bad shape. 10:59 Yes, he was. 11:00 And as we just discussed during his interview, 11:06 he looked like he had transformed to some degree. 11:11 His depression, he said comes and goes, 11:15 but he also said his bipolar when he's in this state, 11:20 he doesn't have these medications. 11:22 Can you talk a little bit about that? 11:24 Yes. 11:25 You know, I feel my heart goes out to Robert. 11:28 He is in a tough situation, 11:31 and his depression and bipolar disorder 11:35 make it tough for him to do what he needs to do. 11:40 He was on medicine and then stopped it. 11:44 And while he was here, 11:46 he was up and down with his emotions a little bit. 11:48 I heard he ran out of medicine. 11:50 Well, he did, and he actually has an appointment 11:54 to see a psychiatrist. 11:57 Now that he's left the program, 11:59 he has an appointment to see a psychiatrist 12:01 in the next few days. 12:02 So I think it would be helpful for him to be on some medicine. 12:07 The other thing that was of interest 12:08 is he's had a history of blood clots in his lungs, 12:13 and had been on a blood thinning medicine 12:15 to prevent another blood clot 12:17 and he had stopped that as well. 12:19 Now fortunately, he had some of that here with him 12:22 and so I actually had him start back on that 12:25 because we don't want to see him 12:27 develop another blood clot in his lungs. 12:29 He has autoimmune type of disorder 12:34 that promotes blood clotting. 12:37 And so he really needs to be on that medicine 12:39 because his body is too good at making the blood clot 12:45 and we don't want to see that happen. 12:46 But, you know, what to see Robert 12:49 and see his emotions, 12:50 and to see how when he first came 12:53 and when he was leaving the program, 12:55 a lot transpired in those 18 days. 12:58 And so I praise the Lord that he was doing better 13:02 when he left. 13:03 Amen. 13:04 You know, very knowledgeable... 13:06 Oh, yes. With a Bible. 13:07 I mean, this guy and I sat together 13:10 and did a Bible study for a couple of hours. 13:12 Yeah, absolutely. 13:14 He's gonna come to the Grass Valley Church this Sabbath. 13:17 Nice. I invited him. 13:19 He said, "Yeah, that's much closer 13:20 than out here in Colfax." 13:23 Yes. 13:24 You know, I'd like to follow 13:25 something I'd like to do for him, 13:27 I don't know what it is. 13:29 Maybe, I'll just be a friend. 13:32 Absolutely. You know. 13:34 My heart goes out to him too. 13:35 I know exactly what you're feeling 13:38 because I just, I feel sorry for him. 13:41 He's had some rough breaks. 13:43 But you know what, by God's grace, 13:45 I see the things are slowly starting to change. 13:48 They could. 13:50 And so he has hope 13:51 and that's the most important thing. 13:52 That is. 13:54 We talked about that. He has hope. 13:55 And we had some good times talking and praying together 14:00 and just, you know, sharing about the Bible 14:03 and about what our beliefs are. 14:05 And so I really, I'm really praying 14:07 that God will continue to work in his life. 14:10 Yeah. 14:12 In fact, I might talk to him about coming back 14:15 after he's gotten his medication 14:17 and he feels a little more stable, 14:20 maybe we can get him back for another session 14:22 or he can attend to all the meetings 14:24 because I understand he missed a few, 14:28 maybe several I don't know. 14:30 Yeah. 14:31 But again, it's important 14:34 that people attend these meetings. 14:36 Absolutely. 14:38 It makes a difference. 14:39 It makes a huge difference. 14:41 It did for me and I know it does for others. 14:43 Yeah. So what is the prognosis? 14:47 I think his prognosis is good. 14:49 He had changes in his body habitus. 14:53 He lost weight, lost about two inches off his waist. 14:58 Wow! 14:59 He is able to walk more, he has more energy. 15:05 His sleep improved. 15:07 It didn't get totally normal, but it's getting better. 15:11 And so I really think that by God's grace, 15:13 he's going to do well overtime. 15:15 That's so good to hear. Yeah. 15:17 You know, there is hope here, folks, 15:19 for people who are depressed, 15:22 and if you're one of them, you should call. 15:26 Pick up the phone and call us now at 800-525-9192, 15:32 ask for Ron, and I'll talk to you direct. 15:36 We run out of time, but I want to thank you Doctor. 15:39 My pleasure, Ron. 15:40 I know you're a busy guy, especially on your anniversary. 15:43 Happy anniversary. Thank you. 15:45 Well, thank you, friends, don't go away, 15:47 Pastor Snead is up next. 15:53 Welcome back, friends. 15:55 Help me welcome Pastor Snead. 15:57 Good to see you, brother. Thank you, friend. 15:58 You know, we want to talk about a man 16:04 that come to us for help. 16:08 Everyone that comes here including when I came here, 16:11 I came here for help. 16:13 Sometimes we can give them that help that they need. 16:17 Only God can change their heart. 16:20 Only God can change their mental attitude. 16:25 Only God can change their minds. 16:27 We can help with the physical for sure. 16:29 And I know you can help with the spiritual 16:33 by giving your sessions every morning and such. 16:37 But then there are those like Robert 16:41 that's gonna need counsel and further assistance 16:45 in certain areas of his life. 16:47 And as he admitted himself, it's a good thing he got here. 16:52 He's been given some tools 16:55 with which to use to move forward, 16:58 but there's more that he needs. 17:02 Can you speak to us about that? 17:03 Well, as you know from time to time 17:05 we have people like him that come here 17:08 that are desperate. 17:10 They've tried the medicine around, 17:11 they've tried doctor, they've tried everything, 17:14 and then they hear about NEWSTART. 17:17 People that have certain mental disorders, 17:19 you know, whether it's depression or bipolar, 17:22 every now and then we'll get them to come here. 17:24 And they come here 17:25 and they get involved in the health program, 17:28 they start having the health changes 17:30 that transform in that way, 17:31 you know, their diet, their exercise. 17:34 But about halfway through the program, 17:36 they realize they're still struggling. 17:38 And this is where we go 17:39 off the chart with these guys, off course 17:42 because that's where almost becomes 17:43 purely the spiritual help 17:45 because I recognize that while their body 17:47 will respond to the health. 17:49 They have to have the health. 17:51 It's sometimes the health portion of this thing, 17:54 the physical changes 17:55 is what keeps them barely above water, without it 17:58 if they were to completely indulge in bad lifestyle, 18:01 it would combine with their troubles they're having, 18:04 their mental troubles. 18:05 It would throw them over the edge. 18:07 And that's what we've discovered with Robert. 18:09 He knows that he needs 18:10 more than what this place is gonna be able to give him 18:13 in that regard, 18:14 but he also recognized that the health message 18:17 is going to give him that ability to stay above water 18:21 long enough to get the help you need 18:23 'cause it's long term health. 18:24 Amen. 18:25 And so with him, 18:27 I had to go strictly just spiritual with him, 18:29 really honed in on what God can do, 18:32 God can open doors that we can hear for you... 18:34 With just some needs that he has, 18:36 but the tools that I did give him was trusting God. 18:40 God can direct you to the right article you made him read, 18:43 the right medicine, the right doctor, 18:45 the right he's in control. 18:47 And so I gave him that hope. 18:49 That hope. Yeah. 18:50 That yes, I need the health 18:52 because it's keeping me above water, you know. 18:55 I don't need to compound the problems, 18:56 I don't need to put diabetes and heart disease 18:58 and all these other issues on top of the mental struggles 19:01 that I'm having. 19:02 So I got to get that right and we talked about that. 19:04 You got to get this right, 19:06 and then trusting God to help you find avenue 19:09 with the other issues 19:11 that has caused him so much of struggle. 19:14 I understand that you've just given a crippled man crutches. 19:19 He may still be crippled but at least he can walk. 19:22 Yeah. 19:24 And if he could walk out of here 19:26 with the knowledge that you've given him, 19:28 with the knowledge that he's received 19:31 from our doctors and our staff, 19:34 he has a fighting chance. 19:37 But if you come to a battle with a knife 19:40 and they're using machine guns, you're gonna lose. 19:44 No, but, no doubt about it. 19:45 But I think now he's been given the tools. 19:48 Right, and great analogy with the crutches. 19:52 We would love for people in 18 days 19:54 of some of these issues, these depression issues 19:57 to just leave here and go 19:58 but, even in the depression recovery program 20:00 they tell them, this is boot camp. 20:03 We're talking about months down the road 20:05 and with these kind of issues, 20:07 there are changes that do take place. 20:09 They're incremental, they're small 20:11 and the health will really begin to boost 20:14 what's going on aided by doctors, 20:15 depression, counseling things. 20:18 And there's a great analogy that you use, 20:19 we may not be able to heal your crippleness, 20:22 but we can give you some crutches 20:24 that keeps you on your feet. 20:25 And I'd think with Robert, 20:27 I think in the honesty of his heart, 20:28 he would understand it and know that. 20:30 And I kind of got that sense from him. 20:33 Yeah. 20:35 I'm glad that just came up, it wasn't really my thought, 20:37 it just happened here, you know, what I mean. 20:39 That is true. That's right. 20:41 You know, I want to thank you again. 20:44 You're always so pleasant to talk to 20:47 and willing to come in and help all these guests 20:50 and help in our program, 20:52 and I appreciate that. 20:53 And, friends, I want to thank you, 20:55 but don't go away Dr. Nedley is up next. 21:01 Welcome to NEWSTART Now. 21:03 I'm Dr. Neil Nedley. 21:04 Glad to have you with us today. 21:06 And with me today is Dr. Eddie Ramirez, 21:08 researcher, physician, 21:10 and also professor at Weimar College 21:13 that teaches our research design methods. 21:16 In fact, I was with Dr. Ramirez not long ago, 21:21 where as some Harvard professors were gathered 21:23 and they said, Dr. Ramirez, you're putting 21:26 more research on the market 21:27 than we are doing at Harvard. 21:31 And they were wondering 21:32 why Dr. Ramirez wasn't joining them at Harvard. 21:34 Well, he's here at Weimar Institute for a good reason. 21:37 But today, we're going to be talking about something 21:39 that is truly exciting, 21:41 this got national news this particular study 21:45 because of the issue that we have 21:48 in our country of benzodiazepines. 21:51 Benzodiazepines are valium, ativan, 21:55 lorazepam, alprazolam, 21:58 xanax, there's all sorts of different versions, 22:01 restoral is a sleeping medicine, temazepam. 22:05 And these drugs you will probably get 22:08 if you go to the emergency room with a lot of anxiety. 22:11 They're gonna shoot you up with benzos, 22:13 and you're gonna feel more like you're at peace with the world. 22:17 But the problem is, you are now entering 22:20 into the one of the most highly addictive drugs on the planet. 22:24 And if you continue to take this drug for 30 days, 22:27 you are hooked, 22:28 meaning that your anxiety levels are now going back up 22:31 to almost where they were before, 22:34 but now if you try to get off of it, 22:35 you're gonna even feel a whole lot worse. 22:38 These drugs suppress the frontal lobe of the brain, 22:41 and when the frontal lobe goes down, 22:43 mental illness goes up. 22:44 And so it's a short-term gain, long-term problem, 22:49 but yet doctors like to prescribe it 22:51 because they're popular for the first few days, 22:54 in first few weeks 22:55 that these drugs are utilized, 22:57 but many doctors don't know 22:58 how to take people off of these drugs. 23:00 In fact, it's very difficult to get 23:02 people off of these drugs. 23:04 We have shown that in our study, 23:06 in our residential program 23:09 that if people don't get off these drugs, 23:11 the residential program isn't gonna work 23:13 near as well for them. 23:15 They'll have a 97-98% chance of getting dramatically better 23:20 if they're not on them, 23:21 but if they're on them, 23:23 their chance goes down significantly. 23:25 And so this study was published 23:27 in the American Journal on addictions. 23:31 And it was presented at the meeting of... 23:35 Remind me, Dr. Ramirez, which meeting was it? 23:37 The addiction meeting in Miami, Florida. 23:41 So there was an addiction meeting, 23:44 it actually is addiction psychiatry 23:46 this I think is what it was. 23:48 And you presented this in Miami, 23:50 and Medscape picked it up and centered around the world. 23:53 It happened to be around Christmas 23:56 and so, it maybe didn't get as much attention 23:58 if it hadn't been for the holidays. 24:00 But tell us a little bit about this data 24:04 and what happened to these patients 24:06 to be able to get off their benzo safely without issues? 24:09 That's right. 24:10 This is the community version of the program 24:13 in which we're actually not their physicians, 24:16 but rather they continue to see their main physician 24:19 as they're going through their lifestyle changes 24:21 that we are proposing during the eight weeks. 24:24 And what we were finding out is that those patients 24:28 that were using those benzodiazepines 24:31 that you were just mentioning a minute ago, 24:33 those people, as they came to the program 24:36 we do a whole program about addictions. 24:40 And many of them get convicted, 24:42 that this may not be the best solution 24:45 for their mental health problems 24:47 and they go back to their head physician, 24:50 and ask them to help them decrease those benzodiazepines. 24:54 And we found out 24:55 that the vast majority of the people 24:58 participating of the eight week program. 25:00 By the end of the program, 25:02 only very few were continuing to use this benzodiazepines 25:06 something that the CDC had declare a national emergency 25:11 because so many people here in America 25:14 are using these medications 25:16 and they cannot get off them. 25:17 Wow! 25:19 And so just by going 25:20 to a mental health education program, 25:23 learning how the brain works 25:25 and applying that information in their life, 25:28 they were able to get off these drugs. 25:30 But did their anxiety go up? 25:32 And their anxiety actually came down 25:35 as a result of eliminating these things from their mind. 25:39 Okay. 25:40 So by getting on the lifestyle changes, 25:43 not only were they able to get off their benzos, 25:46 but their anxiety levels went down. 25:48 As we teach them how to handle their thoughts much better 25:52 as to process them and for them to understand 25:56 that they can actually have control of their thoughts, 25:58 and not their thoughts over them 26:00 and in that way their emotions change, 26:03 and in that way their overall mental health 26:05 improves dramatically 26:07 compared to those not doing those changes. 26:09 We are in a national crisis today. 26:12 Far too many people are using these benzos, 26:15 and they're actually inhibiting their mental health. 26:18 They think it's helping them and they don't know 26:20 how they're gonna be able to get around without them, 26:23 but there is a way out 26:24 and it's now been well documented 26:27 in the medical literature 26:28 in that way out is what, Dr. Ramirez? 26:32 The depression and anxiety recovery program 26:37 in which we give you the tools for you to decide 26:41 and to make those changes 26:43 and to improve not only mental health, 26:45 but overall health as a result of that. 26:47 The program is in many languages. 26:49 It's in English and Dr. Ramirez has actually 26:51 presented it in Spanish as well. 26:54 You can get the home based version 26:55 or you can do it at your own pace at home. 26:58 You can get the community based version 27:00 where you can actually go to a site 27:03 for their health coaches 27:05 that can help you once a week for eight weeks. 27:08 Or you can actually come to Weimar Institute 27:12 and enroll into residential 27:14 depression and anxiety recovery program. 27:17 And actually we're gonna be presenting some data 27:20 on this very topic in the residential program. 27:22 These are the most severe cases on very high doses of benzos 27:27 and we're gonna find some exciting information on that 27:30 in the future as well. 27:31 So there is hope, 27:33 there is hope for those people taking these benzodiazepines, 27:37 but it's not only to decrease them 27:39 but you need to implement those lifestyle principles 27:42 that are gonna give you that permanent victory. 27:46 And we would recommend you reduce it 27:48 in conjunction with your physician 27:51 so that it's not dangerous 27:53 because if you get off these benzos very quickly, 27:56 it can be dangerous without a physician's guidance 27:58 and of course without this program. 28:01 This is NEWSTART Now. 28:03 I'm Dr. Neil Nedley, 28:04 and join us again next week for another exciting study. |
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