Hi, friends.
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And welcome to another
edition of NEWSTART Now.
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I'm your host Ron Giannoni.
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In our studio is with me
right now is Robert Smith
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all the way from
Grass Valley, California
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which is about 20 minutes away.
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Nonetheless, let's take a look
at when Robert first arrived.
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So I'm here to
jumpstart my spiritual life
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and try to deal with
my health and physiology
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and more nutrition,
increasing focus level.
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I'm like most people,
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I'm addicted to sugar,
and breads, and caffeine,
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all the rest, I
always eat that I never cook.
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And I'm certain that
has a profound effect
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to my psyche so.
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I hope that I can make a
lifestyle change here and...
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Welcome back,
friends, in our studio, Robert.
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Hey. All right, brother.
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I'm okay, thank you.
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Yeah, you say you're doing okay,
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but I know there's you have
a little few down time here.
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And, you know, we can
talk about the bad and the good
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and just want you to relax
and be who you are, you know.
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But you did say some things
to me before the interview
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that were positive,
like, how much weight you lost?
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Well, I've lost
between 80 and 20 pounds
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that shows 20.3 officially
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but I had a lot more
clothes on that first day.
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Okay.
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And so I figured I
lost about 18 pounds.
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Which is primarily right here,
I'm quite happy about that.
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Good. So that's good
news. That's good news.
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Now what about
numbers, medications,
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how your numbers look?
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Well actually, the
numbers are pretty solid
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coming in even
though my lifestyle
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has not been very healthy
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in terms of the
weight and such like that.
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But my kidney
numbers are better,
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my kidney functioning numbers
because the extra water I think
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and high water content diet food
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also made a difference there.
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Yeah. But your HDL is good.
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HDL'S got better,
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and the bad
cholesterol is lowered.
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Good. So that's
good news. You bet it is.
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Now you said something
else to me, how's your walking?
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Well, walking is...
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Definitely I'm more
walking than when I came.
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But it's a struggle. Yeah.
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It depends because
when the depression hits me,
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I become really self-conscious
and nervous and such
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I don't want to
be around people,
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so I've kind of
backed off on some.
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And in the last couple of
days I haven't walked much,
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but I'm committed to getting
back to early morning walking
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'cause I have in the past.
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And I remember another time
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I lost a
significant amount of weight
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and it was usually
due to a lot of walking.
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Yeah.
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And I found that
as I started walking,
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my diet changed
because I realized
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I was feeling
better and more energy,
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and I kind of was automatically
less drawn to the foods
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that weren't good for me.
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I started not
having those steamrolls
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in the morning stuff like that.
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It's just like when you, I
find when I take care of myself
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in one area of my
life, it does spill over.
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I think God
just made us that way
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'cause you start
thinking more health,
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in a more health conscious way,
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and you want to keep improving.
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You've mentioned to me
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that you had been
exposed to a vegan lifestyle,
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but never really indulged.
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What do you
think of the food here?
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I think that...
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Truth now. It's healthy.
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It's healthy. Yeah.
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You don't necessarily like it
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but it's healthy,
is that what you do.
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I tell you, I am learning
from the cooking classes
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which have been helpful that,
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you know, by in the sauces
and the things that you make,
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basically six
different types of taste buds
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you've got the sweet, the
spicy, the pungent all this
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and you can find a
way to include that
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in most of your food
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so that you're getting
those taste you're used to.
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And so I had hope, I gained hope
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when Michelle, the
cook talked about that.
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And we've been making dishes,
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you know, in the
cooking class and...
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What was your favorite dish?
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Well, we made, one
day we made a bean salad,
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I guess it was a
three bean salad,
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and we had some
other types of salads.
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We had some chips that day
and that's a pretty good day.
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I discovered that
you really can have
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a good balance of
flavor and eat healthy
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because I in my mind,
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I never believed
that was possible.
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I can tell you
this after the fast,
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they gave us simply
the three vegetables,
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the steamed
broccoli, steamed cauliflower
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which I've always loath.
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And then some cabbage
which is basically also...
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And I'm used to eating cabbage
but with a ham hock in there
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and some butter and
probably salt pepper.
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They didn't give
you any ham hock?
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No, none came.
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None came.
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I mean, it was tough day.
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I mean, I filled
up about 10 bites
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after 72 hours of fasting.
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But you fasted
on water and what?
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Water and some of
this colored parfait.
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That's not what I called it
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but I didn't even
have any of the parfait
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the final day and a half but...
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Well, how was that experience?
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Well, it was healthy.
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I mean, it kind
of got me thinking
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I need to be praying more
focusing on, depending on God,
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and that's part of
the reason for a fast
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I think spiritually is
to look up and go, God,
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I really feel hungry,
but fill my need, help me.
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You know, I'm
not eating right now.
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And I would mandate a prayer
and fasting some at our church,
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I was a part of
many, many years ago,
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we fasted for a week.
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But we began with
fruit and fruit juices
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and then nothing
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but water for the last
four days something like that.
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And I did notice
one real positive
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and that is that
my stomach shrunk
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and, of course, what that means
is that I fill up more quickly.
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And if I can kind of
learn to do the push backs
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right on the edge of being full,
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I don't stress so
it's steady back out
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so I can be full
within less portions.
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So that's been a
positive since I've been here.
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Now who has
taught you all these?
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Who is your doctor by the way?
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Dr. Gallant. Dr. Gallant.
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Yes.
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How's he been
for you to work with?
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That's been good.
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He's been, we prayed every time,
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we're always praying.
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He's a pretty neat guy. He is.
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And part of the
challenge for me has been
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the depression
things that hit me.
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And I remember
sharing our first meeting
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Dr. Gallant was saying,
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I'm gonna be
setting an appointment
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with a new psychiatrist
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because I've changed insurance
and he's a really good guy.
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And so, you know, he's going
to want to give you medication
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with kind of a
point of condescension
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his voice as he shared that.
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And I know they're not ideal,
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and they have
side effects and such.
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But in my experience
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when I'm doing
well in medication,
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I would be feeling better
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and tend to just come off of it.
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I think, well, I'm doing good,
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I know it's a
matter of how I think,
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but I haven't been
combining that two things,
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I think it's important for me
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not to come off
the medication series
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just to go to cold turkey
and do it with the council,
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the psychiatrist
along with increasing
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and bettering my diet.
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I've never taken
on that strategy.
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I believe, I most likely could
function maybe well with that.
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Yeah.
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But my
experience I really need it.
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And that's been...
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you know, that's...
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It's a challenge. It's
been a challenge for me.
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It's been a great challenge.
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It's cost me and
mislay in my life.
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Robert, we've run out of time,
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but I want to thank
you for taking your time
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and being willing to
be interviewed and speak,
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and hopefully someone watching
you would help in some ways.
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But God bless you. Thank you.
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I hope to see you on
Sabbath. I appreciate that.
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Okay.
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And, friends, don't go away
because Dr. Gallant is up next.
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Welcome back, friends.
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Dr. Roger Gallant.
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Good to see you,
Ron. Good to see you too.
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Now Doctor this dawned on me,
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this is about your second
year you've been here, right?
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Two and a half years, actually.
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Two and half years.
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And you are the
medical director?
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Yes.
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And you do ER work
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and what else
have you done it with,
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like, you do surgery?
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No, I don't do surgery
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other than minor
procedures in the ER,
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but we have a
clinic here on campus
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and I work there
in the clinic as well
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doing some primary
care and lifestyle medicine.
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And the clinic I understand
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has a dentist and
a chiropractor and...
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That's right.
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Psychologists or psychiatrists.
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Psychologists is
coming not there yet,
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but coming soon.
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Okay.
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So you actually
minister to people
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from all walks of life
and all kinds of conditions.
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And would you be
one of the doctors
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that might do a
recommendation to a specialist?
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Sure, absolutely. Okay.
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Well, I want our
viewers to see that
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because it's new and it's
not really well known yet,
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and I just want to
give a little plug.
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Well, thank you. We
appreciate that, Ron.
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So, Robert, Robert came
to us a couple of weeks ago.
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Yes. Pretty bad shape.
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Yes, he was.
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And as we just
discussed during his interview,
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he looked like he had
transformed to some degree.
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His depression, he
said comes and goes,
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but he also said his
bipolar when he's in this state,
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he doesn't have
these medications.
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Can you talk a
little bit about that?
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Yes.
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You know, I feel my
heart goes out to Robert.
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He is in a tough situation,
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and his depression
and bipolar disorder
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make it tough for him
to do what he needs to do.
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He was on medicine
and then stopped it.
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And while he was here,
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he was up and down with
his emotions a little bit.
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I heard he ran out of medicine.
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Well, he did, and he
actually has an appointment
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to see a psychiatrist.
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Now that he's left the program,
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he has an appointment
to see a psychiatrist
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in the next few days.
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So I think it would be helpful
for him to be on some medicine.
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The other thing
that was of interest
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is he's had a history of
blood clots in his lungs,
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and had been on a
blood thinning medicine
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to prevent another blood clot
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and he had stopped that as well.
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Now fortunately, he had
some of that here with him
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and so I actually had
him start back on that
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because we don't want to see him
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develop another
blood clot in his lungs.
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He has
autoimmune type of disorder
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that promotes blood clotting.
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And so he really
needs to be on that medicine
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because his body is too
good at making the blood clot
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and we don't want
to see that happen.
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But, you know,
what to see Robert
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and see his emotions,
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and to see how
when he first came
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and when he was
leaving the program,
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a lot transpired
in those 18 days.
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And so I praise the
Lord that he was doing better
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when he left.
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Amen.
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You know, very knowledgeable...
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Oh, yes. With a Bible.
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I mean, this guy
and I sat together
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and did a Bible study
for a couple of hours.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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He's gonna come to the Grass
Valley Church this Sabbath.
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Nice. I invited him.
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He said, "Yeah,
that's much closer
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than out here in Colfax."
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Yes.
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You know, I'd like to follow
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something I'd
like to do for him,
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I don't know what it is.
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Maybe, I'll just be a friend.
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Absolutely. You know.
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My heart goes out to him too.
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I know exactly
what you're feeling
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because I just, I
feel sorry for him.
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He's had some rough breaks.
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But you know
what, by God's grace,
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I see the things are
slowly starting to change.
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They could.
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And so he has hope
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and that's the
most important thing.
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That is.
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We talked about
that. He has hope.
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And we had some good times
talking and praying together
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and just, you know,
sharing about the Bible
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and about what our beliefs are.
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And so I really,
I'm really praying
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that God will
continue to work in his life.
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Yeah.
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In fact, I might talk
to him about coming back
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after he's gotten his medication
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and he feels a
little more stable,
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maybe we can get him
back for another session
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or he can attend
to all the meetings
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because I
understand he missed a few,
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maybe several I don't know.
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Yeah.
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But again, it's important
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that people
attend these meetings.
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Absolutely.
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It makes a difference.
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It makes a huge difference.
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It did for me and I
know it does for others.
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Yeah. So what is the prognosis?
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I think his prognosis is good.
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He had changes
in his body habitus.
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He lost weight, lost
about two inches off his waist.
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Wow!
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He is able to walk
more, he has more energy.
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His sleep improved.
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It didn't get totally
normal, but it's getting better.
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And so I really
think that by God's grace,
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he's going to do well overtime.
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That's so good to hear. Yeah.
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You know, there
is hope here, folks,
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for people who are depressed,
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and if you're one of
them, you should call.
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Pick up the phone and
call us now at 800-525-9192,
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ask for Ron, and
I'll talk to you direct.
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We run out of time, but
I want to thank you Doctor.
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My pleasure, Ron.
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I know you're a busy guy,
especially on your anniversary.
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Happy anniversary. Thank you.
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Well, thank you,
friends, don't go away,
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Pastor Snead is up next.
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Welcome back, friends.
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Help me welcome Pastor Snead.
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Good to see you,
brother. Thank you, friend.
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You know, we want
to talk about a man
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that come to us for help.
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Everyone that comes here
including when I came here,
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I came here for help.
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Sometimes we can give
them that help that they need.
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Only God can change their heart.
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Only God can change
their mental attitude.
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Only God can change their minds.
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We can help with
the physical for sure.
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And I know you can
help with the spiritual
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by giving your
sessions every morning and such.
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But then there
are those like Robert
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that's gonna need
counsel and further assistance
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in certain areas of his life.
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And as he admitted himself,
it's a good thing he got here.
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He's been given some tools
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with which to
use to move forward,
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but there's more that he needs.
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Can you speak to us about that?
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Well, as you
know from time to time
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we have people
like him that come here
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that are desperate.
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They've tried
the medicine around,
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they've tried doctor,
they've tried everything,
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and then they
hear about NEWSTART.
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People that have
certain mental disorders,
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you know, whether
it's depression or bipolar,
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every now and then
we'll get them to come here.
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And they come here
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and they get involved
in the health program,
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they start having
the health changes
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that transform in that way,
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you know, their
diet, their exercise.
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But about halfway
through the program,
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they realize
they're still struggling.
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And this is where we go
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off the chart with
these guys, off course
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because that's
where almost becomes
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purely the spiritual help
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because I recognize
that while their body
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will respond to the health.
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They have to have the health.
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It's sometimes the
health portion of this thing,
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the physical changes
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is what keeps them
barely above water, without it
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if they were to completely
indulge in bad lifestyle,
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it would combine with
their troubles they're having,
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their mental troubles.
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It would throw
them over the edge.
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And that's what we've
discovered with Robert.
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He knows that he needs
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more than what this place
is gonna be able to give him
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in that regard,
00:18:13.22\00:18:14.56
but he also recognized
that the health message
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is going to give him that
ability to stay above water
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long enough to
get the help you need
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'cause it's long term health.
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Amen.
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And so with him,
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I had to go strictly
just spiritual with him,
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really honed in
on what God can do,
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God can open doors
that we can hear for you...
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With just some
needs that he has,
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but the tools that I did
give him was trusting God.
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God can direct you to the
right article you made him read,
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the right
medicine, the right doctor,
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the right he's in control.
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And so I gave him that hope.
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That hope. Yeah.
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That yes, I need the health
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because it's keeping
me above water, you know.
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I don't need to
compound the problems,
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I don't need to put
diabetes and heart disease
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and all these other issues
on top of the mental struggles
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that I'm having.
00:19:01.34\00:19:02.67
So I got to get that
right and we talked about that.
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You got to get this right,
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and then trusting God
to help you find avenue
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with the other issues
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that has caused him
so much of struggle.
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I understand that you've just
given a crippled man crutches.
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He may still be crippled
but at least he can walk.
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Yeah.
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And if he could walk out of here
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with the knowledge
that you've given him,
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with the
knowledge that he's received
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from our doctors and our staff,
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he has a fighting chance.
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But if you come to
a battle with a knife
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and they're using
machine guns, you're gonna lose.
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No, but, no doubt about it.
00:19:44.25\00:19:45.71
But I think now he's
been given the tools.
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Right, and great
analogy with the crutches.
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We would love
for people in 18 days
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of some of these
issues, these depression issues
00:19:54.96\00:19:57.06
to just leave here and go
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but, even in the
depression recovery program
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they tell them,
this is boot camp.
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We're talking about
months down the road
00:20:03.50\00:20:05.47
and with these kind of issues,
00:20:05.50\00:20:07.30
there are changes
that do take place.
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They're
incremental, they're small
00:20:09.67\00:20:11.34
and the health will
really begin to boost
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what's going on
aided by doctors,
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depression, counseling things.
00:20:15.98\00:20:18.05
And there's a great
analogy that you use,
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we may not be able to
heal your crippleness,
00:20:19.68\00:20:22.75
but we can give
you some crutches
00:20:22.78\00:20:24.15
that keeps you on your feet.
00:20:24.19\00:20:25.69
And I'd think with Robert,
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I think in the
honesty of his heart,
00:20:27.46\00:20:28.79
he would
understand it and know that.
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And I kind of got
that sense from him.
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Yeah.
00:20:33.29\00:20:35.30
I'm glad that just came up,
it wasn't really my thought,
00:20:35.33\00:20:37.47
it just happened
here, you know, what I mean.
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That is true. That's right.
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You know, I want
to thank you again.
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You're always so
pleasant to talk to
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and willing to come in
and help all these guests
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and help in our program,
00:20:50.88\00:20:52.21
and I appreciate that.
00:20:52.25\00:20:53.85
And, friends, I
want to thank you,
00:20:53.88\00:20:55.22
but don't go away
Dr. Nedley is up next.
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Welcome to NEWSTART Now.
00:21:01.72\00:21:03.26
I'm Dr. Neil Nedley.
00:21:03.29\00:21:04.63
Glad to have you with us today.
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And with me today
is Dr. Eddie Ramirez,
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researcher, physician,
00:21:08.73\00:21:10.60
and also
professor at Weimar College
00:21:10.63\00:21:13.47
that teaches our
research design methods.
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In fact, I was with
Dr. Ramirez not long ago,
00:21:16.40\00:21:21.08
where as some Harvard
professors were gathered
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and they said, Dr.
Ramirez, you're putting
00:21:23.28\00:21:26.08
more research on the market
00:21:26.11\00:21:27.82
than we are doing at Harvard.
00:21:27.85\00:21:31.15
And they were wondering
00:21:31.19\00:21:32.52
why Dr. Ramirez wasn't
joining them at Harvard.
00:21:32.55\00:21:34.82
Well, he's here at Weimar
Institute for a good reason.
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But today, we're going to
be talking about something
00:21:37.36\00:21:39.73
that is truly exciting,
00:21:39.76\00:21:41.26
this got national
news this particular study
00:21:41.30\00:21:45.47
because of the
issue that we have
00:21:45.50\00:21:48.07
in our country
of benzodiazepines.
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Benzodiazepines
are valium, ativan,
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lorazepam, alprazolam,
00:21:55.48\00:21:58.41
xanax, there's all
sorts of different versions,
00:21:58.45\00:22:01.25
restoral is a
sleeping medicine, temazepam.
00:22:01.28\00:22:05.55
And these drugs
you will probably get
00:22:05.59\00:22:08.22
if you go to the emergency
room with a lot of anxiety.
00:22:08.26\00:22:11.96
They're gonna
shoot you up with benzos,
00:22:11.99\00:22:13.86
and you're gonna feel more like
you're at peace with the world.
00:22:13.90\00:22:17.37
But the problem is,
you are now entering
00:22:17.40\00:22:20.30
into the one of the most highly
addictive drugs on the planet.
00:22:20.34\00:22:24.47
And if you continue to
take this drug for 30 days,
00:22:24.51\00:22:27.48
you are hooked,
00:22:27.51\00:22:28.84
meaning that your anxiety
levels are now going back up
00:22:28.88\00:22:31.88
to almost where
they were before,
00:22:31.91\00:22:34.08
but now if you
try to get off of it,
00:22:34.12\00:22:35.68
you're gonna even
feel a whole lot worse.
00:22:35.72\00:22:38.62
These drugs suppress the
frontal lobe of the brain,
00:22:38.65\00:22:41.52
and when the
frontal lobe goes down,
00:22:41.56\00:22:43.12
mental illness goes up.
00:22:43.16\00:22:44.93
And so it's a short-term
gain, long-term problem,
00:22:44.96\00:22:49.33
but yet doctors
like to prescribe it
00:22:49.36\00:22:51.23
because they're
popular for the first few days,
00:22:51.27\00:22:54.24
in first few weeks
00:22:54.27\00:22:55.60
that these drugs are utilized,
00:22:55.64\00:22:57.41
but many doctors don't know
00:22:57.44\00:22:58.77
how to take people
off of these drugs.
00:22:58.81\00:23:00.74
In fact, it's
very difficult to get
00:23:00.78\00:23:02.71
people off of these drugs.
00:23:02.74\00:23:04.68
We have shown that in our study,
00:23:04.71\00:23:06.92
in our residential program
00:23:06.95\00:23:09.02
that if people
don't get off these drugs,
00:23:09.05\00:23:11.52
the residential
program isn't gonna work
00:23:11.55\00:23:13.46
near as well for them.
00:23:13.49\00:23:15.02
They'll have a 97-98% chance
of getting dramatically better
00:23:15.06\00:23:20.16
if they're not on them,
00:23:20.20\00:23:21.60
but if they're on them,
00:23:21.63\00:23:22.96
their chance goes
down significantly.
00:23:23.00\00:23:25.03
And so this study was published
00:23:25.07\00:23:27.70
in the American
Journal on addictions.
00:23:27.74\00:23:31.21
And it was
presented at the meeting of...
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Remind me, Dr.
Ramirez, which meeting was it?
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The addiction
meeting in Miami, Florida.
00:23:37.78\00:23:41.68
So there was an
addiction meeting,
00:23:41.72\00:23:44.19
it actually is
addiction psychiatry
00:23:44.22\00:23:46.15
this I think is what it was.
00:23:46.19\00:23:48.16
And you presented this in Miami,
00:23:48.19\00:23:50.66
and Medscape picked it up
and centered around the world.
00:23:50.69\00:23:53.83
It happened to
be around Christmas
00:23:53.86\00:23:56.03
and so, it maybe
didn't get as much attention
00:23:56.06\00:23:58.70
if it hadn't
been for the holidays.
00:23:58.73\00:24:00.94
But tell us a
little bit about this data
00:24:00.97\00:24:04.31
and what
happened to these patients
00:24:04.34\00:24:06.17
to be able to get off their
benzo safely without issues?
00:24:06.21\00:24:09.41
That's right.
00:24:09.44\00:24:10.78
This is the community
version of the program
00:24:10.81\00:24:13.48
in which we're
actually not their physicians,
00:24:13.52\00:24:16.02
but rather they continue
to see their main physician
00:24:16.05\00:24:19.75
as they're going
through their lifestyle changes
00:24:19.79\00:24:21.86
that we are proposing
during the eight weeks.
00:24:21.89\00:24:24.66
And what we were finding
out is that those patients
00:24:24.69\00:24:28.33
that were using
those benzodiazepines
00:24:28.36\00:24:31.20
that you were just
mentioning a minute ago,
00:24:31.23\00:24:33.77
those people, as
they came to the program
00:24:33.80\00:24:36.67
we do a whole
program about addictions.
00:24:36.71\00:24:40.74
And many of them get convicted,
00:24:40.78\00:24:42.74
that this may not
be the best solution
00:24:42.78\00:24:45.88
for their mental health problems
00:24:45.91\00:24:47.65
and they go back to
their head physician,
00:24:47.68\00:24:50.35
and ask them to help them
decrease those benzodiazepines.
00:24:50.39\00:24:54.22
And we found out
00:24:54.26\00:24:55.59
that the vast
majority of the people
00:24:55.62\00:24:57.99
participating of
the eight week program.
00:24:58.03\00:25:00.43
By the end of the program,
00:25:00.46\00:25:02.26
only very few were continuing
to use this benzodiazepines
00:25:02.30\00:25:06.94
something that the CDC had
declare a national emergency
00:25:06.97\00:25:11.54
because so many
people here in America
00:25:11.57\00:25:14.91
are using these medications
00:25:14.94\00:25:16.31
and they cannot get off them.
00:25:16.34\00:25:17.68
Wow!
00:25:17.71\00:25:19.05
And so just by going
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to a mental
health education program,
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learning how the brain works
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and applying that
information in their life,
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they were able to
get off these drugs.
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But did their anxiety go up?
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And their anxiety
actually came down
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as a result of eliminating
these things from their mind.
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Okay.
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So by getting on
the lifestyle changes,
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not only were they able
to get off their benzos,
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but their
anxiety levels went down.
00:25:46.47\00:25:48.94
As we teach them how to handle
their thoughts much better
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as to process them
and for them to understand
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that they can actually
have control of their thoughts,
00:25:56.42\00:25:58.65
and not their thoughts over them
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and in that way
their emotions change,
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and in that way
their overall mental health
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improves dramatically
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compared to those
not doing those changes.
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We are in a
national crisis today.
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Far too many people
are using these benzos,
00:26:12.13\00:26:15.10
and they're actually
inhibiting their mental health.
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They think it's helping
them and they don't know
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how they're gonna be able
to get around without them,
00:26:20.11\00:26:23.31
but there is a way out
00:26:23.35\00:26:24.85
and it's now
been well documented
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in the medical literature
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in that way out
is what, Dr. Ramirez?
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The depression and
anxiety recovery program
00:26:32.49\00:26:37.29
in which we give you
the tools for you to decide
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and to make those changes
00:26:41.60\00:26:43.23
and to improve not
only mental health,
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but overall health
as a result of that.
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The program is
in many languages.
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It's in English and
Dr. Ramirez has actually
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presented it in Spanish as well.
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You can get the
home based version
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or you can do it at
your own pace at home.
00:26:55.84\00:26:58.88
You can get the
community based version
00:26:58.91\00:27:00.88
where you can
actually go to a site
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for their health coaches
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that can help you once
a week for eight weeks.
00:27:05.72\00:27:08.76
Or you can actually
come to Weimar Institute
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and enroll into residential
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depression and
anxiety recovery program.
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And actually we're
gonna be presenting some data
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on this very topic in
the residential program.
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These are the most severe cases
on very high doses of benzos
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and we're gonna find some
exciting information on that
00:27:27.51\00:27:30.21
in the future as well.
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So there is hope,
00:27:31.95\00:27:33.45
there is hope for those people
taking these benzodiazepines,
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but it's not
only to decrease them
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but you need to implement
those lifestyle principles
00:27:39.72\00:27:42.96
that are gonna give
you that permanent victory.
00:27:42.99\00:27:46.06
And we would
recommend you reduce it
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in conjunction
with your physician
00:27:48.63\00:27:51.40
so that it's not dangerous
00:27:51.43\00:27:53.94
because if you get off
these benzos very quickly,
00:27:53.97\00:27:56.10
it can be dangerous
without a physician's guidance
00:27:56.14\00:27:58.94
and of course
without this program.
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This is NEWSTART Now.
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I'm Dr. Neil Nedley,
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and join us again next
week for another exciting study.
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