Participants: Ron Giannoni (Host), Ron Harrison
Series Code: NSN
Program Code: NSN000178A
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00:12 Every year in America,
00:13 there are over one million deaths 00:14 because of Type 2 diabetes and chronic obesity. 00:17 This includes heart attacks and strokes. 00:20 That's 6.5, 747s crashing every day. 00:23 What's even more surprising is that the fix is easy. 00:27 It's your lifestyle. 00:28 Wouldn't it be nice if you could actually add 00:30 quality years to your life 00:31 rather than dying one organ at a time? 00:34 Obesity and diabetes are the cause 00:36 of over million deaths per year. 00:39 Most diseases are reversible because most diseases 00:42 are lifestyle diseases, especially Type 2 diabetes 00:45 and chronic obesity. 00:47 Seriously now, they can be reversed 00:49 and the quality of your life can be renewed. 00:53 Call NEWSTART today at 1-800-525-9192. 00:59 You will see dramatic changes in the first few days 01:02 of our program and you'll be on the road 01:04 to a better more robust quality of life. 01:07 The NEWSTART programs are simple and effective. 01:14 Hi, friends, and welcome to another edition 01:16 of NEWSTART Now. 01:18 I'm your host Ron Giannoni. 01:21 In our studio with me today, I have Ron Harrison 01:24 from Riverside, California. 01:26 And I'd like to take a look at when Ron first arrived. 01:33 I'm currently dealing with kidney failure, 01:36 high blood pressure, sleep apnea, 01:41 and an enlarged prostate. 01:43 I recently suffered from a bladder infection 01:46 and spent two days 01:48 in an acute care medical facility. 01:51 I left against medical advice 'cause I felt like 01:56 it was going to do me anymore good 01:59 after the things that they wanted to do there, 02:01 I wasn't happy with it. 02:03 And decided I was going to go God's way or no way. 02:07 Well, I'd like to lose a few things while I'm here. 02:11 Weight of course is number one of the first ones. 02:14 I'd like to lose the catheter bag 02:16 and maybe even leave my CPAP machine behind 02:21 if everything comes out all right. 02:25 And then of course, you know, 02:27 drop the blood sugar a little bit more 02:30 and lose the high blood pressure. 02:35 Welcome back, friends. 02:36 In our studio, Ron Harrison, how are you? 02:38 I'm doing all right. Good to see you. 02:41 It's good to be seen. Yes, isn't it? 02:44 Oh, a little less of me to be seen 02:45 after being here at NEWSTART. 02:47 A less of you, how many pounds of have you lost? 02:49 Well, 14 pounds. 02:51 Fourteen pounds, you satisfied with that? 02:53 No, no, this is just a start. This is just a start. 02:56 This is a new beginning, a new start. 02:59 Let me ask you, did you expect to lose 14 pounds 03:02 when you came here? 03:04 Well, yes, I mean, I wanted to lose more, you know, 03:07 Okay. 03:08 I got to stay pound in the pavement to do that. 03:11 So... Yeah. 03:13 But that isn't why you came here, is it? 03:16 Well, I came here 03:17 with very, very poor kidney function. 03:20 Yes. 03:21 And high blood pressure. Yes. 03:25 Physicians told me that I'd be on blood pressure medications 03:28 the rest of my life. 03:29 Now what physicians are those? 03:31 Some of them down in the Riverside area. 03:34 Oh, okay. I won't name names. 03:35 No, you don't need to. 03:37 But someone off-campus here? 03:39 Right, right, right. Okay. 03:41 And I gave up my medications on the first day here 03:45 and I haven't needed them since. 03:47 And I finally broke the 130 mark as of last night, 03:52 one of my blood pressures was 129/54. 03:57 That's incredible. 03:58 And that's the lowest, it's been probably in 04:00 as long as I can remember, at least 15 years. 04:02 Yeah. 04:04 And so a lot of viewers right now 04:06 that would give their eye, teeth, 04:07 to have 129/50, anything. 04:11 Right, right. So you're doing good. 04:13 Oh yes, praise the Lord for that one. 04:15 Amen. 04:17 It's His working through the people 04:19 here at the NEWSTART program that it kept me on track 04:24 and kept me in the right direction here. 04:27 And how many people have you been working 04:30 with on staff here? 04:33 Well, there's four doctors 04:35 and about four different nurses, 04:37 and then some other support people, 04:40 spa treatments, those are great, 04:42 you'll like those. 04:43 Yeah. 04:45 And then the cooks and the cooking schools 04:50 and all that is all great, it's great. 04:53 So how about your kidneys now? They have improved at all? 04:57 It seems like a little bit, not as much as I would hope. 05:01 But like I said, this is just a start, 05:04 this is a beginning, and l look forward 05:07 to better improvement as time goes on. 05:09 Yeah, yeah. 05:10 We've had people, as you know, who've come to us in total 05:15 and complete renal failure, who have been on dialysis, 05:20 and we've gotten them off dialysis. 05:23 So I'm sure Dr. Lukens or one of the other doctors... 05:28 Now your doctor is Dr. K? No, it's Dr. Gallant. 05:31 Dr. Gallant. Roger Gallant. 05:33 Okay. 05:34 We'll be speaking with him right after your interview. 05:36 Okay. 05:38 So what have they advised you to do? 05:40 Have you... 05:42 you're going to continue, right? 05:44 Yeah, I'm going to continue this. 05:45 One of them is two meals a day, 05:48 another one is walking, walking more. 05:52 I've been walking about a mile and half, 05:55 but I'm going to try and double that, 05:57 up to about three miles a day to get better results 06:01 and better improvement. 06:03 Okay. 06:05 And those are the two main ones 06:06 and then plenty of fresh air and sunshine and rest. 06:09 I mean sleeping well, that's been part of my issues 06:13 'cause, you know, the rest repairs you. 06:15 Yes. 06:16 And I think I need a lot more repair than others. 06:19 Are you struggling with your walking? 06:22 A little bit on the heels here. 06:24 It's like, you know, 06:26 it's not all level ground around here. 06:28 So... 06:29 Have you tried Cardiac Hill over here? 06:31 Yes, yes. I've done both of those. 06:34 I did the one down here to the Moses Rock, 06:38 we had a baptism last night, that was great. 06:40 Yes. 06:42 And then we did Cardiac Hill, 06:45 we have what they call dine with the doctors, 06:47 and the doctors actually served us. 06:49 I was moved by that, 06:52 I'm seeing those guys out there, 06:54 they came to serve us, not the other way around. 06:57 And so when all of us, we're encouraged 07:00 and we all walked up Cardiac Hill 07:04 from the Dr. Kinney Nowbuth residence 07:07 here at campus. 07:08 And what did they prepare for you? 07:11 They, you mean the doctors? Yes. 07:12 Oh yeah, there was lentil soup, 07:15 and tofu, and potatoes, and then of course, 07:21 they had some of the Dr. Nedley happy cookies. 07:25 Happy cookies. Yeah. 07:26 They are great. And the pineapple was awesome. 07:29 Good, good. 07:31 Now when you get back home, are you going to be 07:33 sharing this with family members? 07:37 Yes. 07:38 My first one is to my daughter and three granddaughters, 07:44 hopefully they can encourage them 07:46 to get off the dairy 07:48 and off the meat that they are... 07:50 You know, as a father, I made mistakes, 07:53 I made mistakes with my kids. 07:56 I kind of listened to the dairy board and, 07:59 you know, taught them that it was okay to drink milk 08:02 and some of that. 08:03 I grew up that way 08:04 and I realized it was a big mistake. 08:06 And now I'm paying for those times and stuff. 08:10 But the other group that I'd really like 08:12 to encourage is my men's chorus that I sing in down there. 08:17 It's called His Voice. 08:19 And there's about 15 other guys that I'm going to be 08:23 work on to get up here and go through the program. 08:25 Right, good. 08:27 So that's my goal right now is to minister to them 08:30 'cause that's what His Voice is about, 08:32 it's about ministering to one another, 08:35 as we minister to the world and the community. 08:38 Amen. 08:39 Now the people in NEWSTART 08:44 that were attending the program 08:46 with you, did you feel some... 08:49 did you make good friends, did you make new connections? 08:52 Oh yes, oh yes. 08:53 There will people that you'll continue 08:57 to contact with and enjoy fellowshipping with. 09:01 One of the guys here is Reed. 09:04 And he and I were cracking up through most of the classes 09:06 and everybody knows that we're a pair here. 09:09 You're a pair, right. 09:11 So we've pulling one another's leg 09:13 ever since we started and it is great. 09:15 And encouraging one another, sure. 09:16 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 09:17 He walks, he is an 80-year old man, 09:20 he is doing good, 09:21 he has got off on his medications also so... 09:24 Yes. 09:25 I don't think we're going to be interviewing him 09:27 but nonetheless, 09:30 what was your favorite part of this program? 09:34 Actually cooking school, I enjoyed the cooking school, 09:38 learning to flavor the vegetarian food. 09:44 That one and then the spa treatments 09:46 of course, you know. 09:47 Yes, yes. You can't get away from those. 09:50 You got to have those. 09:52 There's been saunas and of course 09:54 the hot and cold showers kind of wake you up 09:56 in the morning itself. 09:57 I had the privilege of being the first one 09:59 in the spa every day. 10:00 Oh, really? 10:02 So that was a real God send and blessing. 10:06 Now, you know, Ron, that you can call here 10:09 after you've left and receive support 10:12 from the doctors, from myself, from other staff members 10:17 who can inspire and encourage you 10:19 as you continue along your new path. 10:21 Yeah. 10:22 Well, and I know I've already talked to Dr. Roger Gallant 10:26 about continuing to consult 'cause if I have to go back, 10:30 I still have to see some regular physicians. 10:33 But I'm going to try and coordinate some, you know, 10:38 one week vacations up here. 10:41 Right, come and actually spend some time and work around here. 10:44 Yeah. 10:45 They need some assistance and my talents would lend 10:49 itself to this program, 10:52 and I hope to give as much as I can back. 10:55 Ron, thank you for coming on the program. 10:57 God bless you. Thank you, it was a pleasure. 10:58 Do it again, anytime. And God bless you too, friends. 11:02 Don't go away, Dr. Gallant will be right with us. 11:05 When we look at the health status 11:07 of Americans today, it's alarming to see 11:09 that 60% are either overweight or obese. 11:18 In addition, diseases such as Type 2 diabetes, 11:21 cancer, and heart disorders are the leading cause 11:23 of so many complications and deaths every year. 11:31 Could it have something to do with what we eat? 11:34 After all, every one in four Americans 11:36 visits a fast food restaurant daily, 11:38 and with such easy access to quick-fix foods, 11:42 we tend to forget the poor health value 11:44 those foods actually offer. 11:47 Maybe it's the sedentary lifestyle 11:49 and lack of exercise that we've become 11:51 so accustomed to as a media-dependant world. 11:54 Whatever the cause of these diseases, 11:56 a solution has arrived. 12:00 The NEWSTART lifestyle center offers an enriching program 12:04 where patients can get a healing of mind, body, 12:07 and soul, located in the outskirts of Sacramento, 12:10 the NEWSTART center is situated on the beautiful campus 12:13 of Weimar Centre of Health and Education 12:16 with scenic walking and hiking trails all around. 12:20 With a "whole plant foods eating whole" motto, 12:23 the NEWSTART center promotes a healthy plant-based diet 12:26 with an emphasis on natural foods. 12:29 The NEWSTART staff are made up of California Board Certified 12:32 nurses, doctors, dietitians, and therapists 12:36 who work together to assist each patient personally. 12:40 The staff are dedicated to each patient's success 12:42 in the program and are always there 12:44 to guide, advise, and encourage. 12:47 In addition to a healthy lifestyle, 12:49 NEWSTART also promotes a healthy exercise routine. 12:52 You're both in sequence, that's good, all right. 12:55 As part of the balance program, there's much opportunity 12:58 to get in the fair share of physical activity 13:01 from utilizing our fitness center 13:03 to taking a stroll around the peaceful grounds of Weimar. 13:07 It's amazing what a new start can do for you. 13:11 Welcome back, friends, and as I promised, Dr. Gallant. 13:14 Ron, good to be with you. 13:15 It's always good to be with you. 13:17 I really enjoy doing these interviews with you. 13:20 Amen, amen. I enjoy them as well. 13:22 You bring a little bit of happiness. 13:25 Well, praise the Lord. That's a good thing. 13:27 I like to see some happiness about Ron. 13:30 Yeah. 13:32 You know, I know he's made some changes but I don't, 13:33 you know, he was not real clear on a few issues. 13:37 Tell us from your perspective. 13:39 You know, Ron has a disease that is pretty significant. 13:44 He has damage to his kidneys from high blood pressure, 13:48 hypertensive nephropathy is what we call that. 13:51 And I'm concerned for Ron, you know. 13:54 Yeah. 13:57 The tradition has been that you don't see 14:00 a lot of recovery from that once it starts. 14:04 And doctors have already told Ron 14:06 that he should be on dialysis. 14:08 Really? 14:09 But he doesn't want to be on dialysis. 14:11 Oh, my! 14:12 So we've been praying, and we've been working, 14:15 and by God's grace, Ron is making 14:18 very slow improvements, 14:20 which is sort of what we expect 14:22 for the type of disease process he has. 14:24 Now what's the difference 14:25 between the kind of kidney failure... 14:31 can I use that term? Mm-hmm. 14:34 From high blood pressure and one from any other sort 14:38 of like disease. 14:40 Well, what happens is you can have more structural damage 14:43 to the kidney. 14:45 And it's... 14:47 kidney is very sensitive to blood pressure, 14:49 and so if it stays high for too long or stays high 14:52 and is untreated for too long, 14:54 it can cause more structural damage 14:56 and that takes longer to recover from. 14:58 I see. 14:59 But there is a glimmer of hope at the end of this tunnel, 15:02 there's a light. 15:04 Yes, yes. 15:05 We just heard about a patient who was told he had to go 15:09 on dialysis about four years ago. 15:12 And he had hypertensive nephropathy. 15:17 And he has not been on dialysis yet. 15:20 Wow. Four years. 15:22 And so I've told Ron all the things we're doing, 15:26 the lifestyle changes we're recommending 15:29 are what will help to make you get better. 15:32 And we're just going to have to keep praying and asking God 15:36 to work on His side while you work on your side. 15:41 And Ron is committed to doing that, 15:44 he is committed to making changes, 15:45 he is committed to coming back here. 15:47 He wants to take his vacations and come back up here, 15:51 and maybe do some volunteer work 15:53 is what he told me. 15:54 Yes. 15:55 So that he can be around 15:57 this lifestyle and this influence. 15:58 And I think that's fantastic. 16:00 That would be excellent. What about pills? 16:04 Is he taking any kind of medication? 16:07 He is the kind of guy 16:08 that he really does like too much medicine. 16:10 And so he is not on any medicine right now. 16:13 Is that by your suggestion or by he's just not wanting? 16:18 It's probably a combination of both. 16:21 He believes God has a way to make him better 16:25 and I believe that's true too. 16:27 And I believe it too. 16:28 So we are working to find how God can work best 16:33 with his body to make health return to it. 16:36 I'm so glad to hear that. 16:37 You know, as I've been working with Dr. Lukens 16:41 and we were following a number of patients 16:44 with kidney failure, 16:46 and we saw some remarkable positive changes. 16:49 Amen. 16:50 People come off dialysis and kidney function, 16:53 increasing like the young man 16:56 whose name I don't need to mention I'm sure 16:58 but he was here about four sessions ago 17:01 and his kidney has got stronger while he stayed here. 17:04 Right, right, absolutely. 17:05 That's just... 17:07 But these same people are told in the world out there 17:11 that they got to go on dialysis. 17:16 You know, I think some of that stems 17:18 from some doctors feel that patients 17:21 are not willing to change. 17:24 And I don't believe that. 17:27 I believe, by the grace of God, they are able to change. 17:30 But God is the one who is able to motivate 17:33 and maintain that change in a patient's life. 17:35 Amen. 17:36 And so I really think that we have to give patients 17:41 an opportunity to see the difference. 17:45 And Ron tells me that he starts to feeling some improvement. 17:50 So praise the Lord, we have to continue to motivate 17:54 and continue to allow those things to happen 17:57 so we can start to feel better. 17:58 Amen. Yeah. 18:00 Doctor, I know that there are people 18:02 watching us right now. 18:04 Perhaps people who are in bed right now 18:07 because they can't get up, people who are on dialysis, 18:10 people who have kidney failure in their bloodlines, mother, 18:17 father, uncle, aunts, whatever, what can you say to them 18:20 right now that would benefit them 18:23 so they don't have to have this terrible problem? 18:26 Well, I think that, I've said this in lectures 18:30 when I talked to our NEWSTART guests. 18:32 I will tell you things that may be 18:34 a little bit different than what you hear 18:35 from a traditional doctor. 18:38 And one of the things that I would want to say 18:40 is a plant-based diet offers your body 18:45 a chance to heal. 18:47 A lot of kidney doctors will tell patients 18:49 they need to have x amount of protein 18:52 and they need to do this and need to do that, 18:54 they can't drink so much water. 18:57 We have seen in our experience, here at NEWSTART, 19:01 that increasing water improves circulation. 19:05 Improved circulation means that your blood pressure 19:08 will start to come down. 19:10 If your blood pressure comes down 19:11 and you have better circulation, 19:12 you're going to get better blood flow 19:14 to your kidneys. 19:15 And so your kidneys will work a little bit better, 19:17 they can filter a little bit better. 19:20 So I would recommend to people who have kidney problems 19:23 that they eat a plant-based diet, 19:26 that they drink water, 19:28 and that they get regular exercise. 19:31 Those three simple things start to reverse kidney disease. 19:36 What would you say to the typical, 19:40 "I need more protein. 19:42 Don't we have sufficient protein 19:44 in our plants"? 19:45 Absolutely. 19:47 I actually give our guests a list of protein 19:51 that's found in food. 19:52 For example, did you know that spinach 19:56 is 49 percent protein? 19:59 Wow. Broccoli is 45 percent protein. 20:05 There's even protein in fruits. 20:07 The USDA says that lemons have 16 percent protein. 20:12 So we get plenty of protein. Yes. 20:14 The other thing I would say to people 20:16 who are focusing on protein is that we don't need 20:20 as much protein as people think we do. 20:24 For eating a plant-based diet, eating a variety of food 20:27 so we get all the vitamins and minerals our bodies need, 20:30 we don't need as much protein. 20:31 Yeah. 20:33 So that's a fallacy then the protein, 20:37 in fact we're hearing it in the world out there 20:41 that people are getting so much protein, 20:43 this could be part of the culprit 20:45 that is giving us these variety of diseases. 20:49 Absolutely. 20:50 'Cause doesn't certain amount of protein create inflammation? 20:54 It can create inflammation and it's harder on our kidneys. 20:58 Yeah. 20:59 You know, just today I saw a patient, 21:02 one of the NEWSTART guest, who was saying to me, 21:04 "Look at this, I'm eating a high-carb diet 21:07 and I'm losing weight." 21:09 The world tells in order to lose weight, 21:11 you have to eat a high-protein diet. 21:13 Atkins said that, and he is dead. 21:14 Yeah. 21:16 Excuse me for saying that but I say 21:18 that I was doing Atkins diet and it worked. 21:23 I ate all this fat and all this protein, 21:24 I lost weight. 21:26 Right. 21:27 And then two months later, I had open heart surgery. 21:29 Right. 21:30 Doctor, we're running out of time, 21:31 I want to thank you for coming on the program 21:34 and being so available to us. 21:36 I know you're a busy man. 21:37 As always, Ron, it's been my pleasure. 21:39 Thank you so much. 21:41 But, friends, don't go away, we have a tip for you. 22:17 If you're thinking about 22:18 switching to a plant-based diet, 22:20 one of the concerns you may have 22:22 is if you'll get enough vitamin B12. 22:24 What is vitamin B12? Why do need it? 22:26 And where can you get it? 22:28 B12 is one of those vitamins that must be consumed 22:30 in your diet because your body doesn't produce it 22:33 for its own use. 22:35 It's only needed in trace amounts 22:36 and is commonly consumed via animal products 22:39 such as beef, chicken, fish, eggs, and milk. 22:43 Why is B12 so necessary? 22:46 Well, deficiency in this vitamin 22:47 leads to what's called pernicious anemia. 22:50 Pernicious because it's irreversibly destructive 22:52 to nerve and brain cells, and anemia 22:55 because it affects your blood. 22:57 A lack of B12 will cause your red blood cells to enlarge 23:00 which keeps the cells from dividing. 23:03 B12 is a very unique and that it's incorporated 23:06 into the nervous system and you can have issues 23:09 of peripheral neuropathy numbness 23:11 and tingling are more likely imbalance inability to sense 23:15 where you are in space. 23:16 Additionally, you can get a B12 deficiency 23:19 that manifests dementia. 23:22 And the challenge is that the problems 23:24 with the neuropathy may not be reversible, 23:27 which is why it's very important to not wait 23:30 until your B12 levels are low to do something about it. 23:34 So what are some good plant-based dietary sources? 23:38 Plant sources with naturally occurring B12 23:40 includes some fermented soy products 23:42 such as tempeh and miso and also some seaweeds. 23:46 But since natural levels of B12 can vary 23:48 and may not be as reliable, 23:50 a good way to ensure you're getting sufficient B12 23:53 is to consume plant foods fortified with B12. 23:56 These foods include many dairy alternatives 23:58 from milk and cheese such as soy, almond, and rice. 24:02 The nutritional label should list 24:04 whether or not it's been fortified with B12 24:06 and it will also be included in the ingredient list. 24:10 The common American dietary source of B12 24:12 is animal products. 24:13 But where do the animals get it from? 24:16 Well, as it turns out, B12 is produced 24:18 by soil microbes located in the root of plants, 24:21 however, because plants get a good scrubbing 24:23 before we eat them to remove 24:25 the potentially harmful components, 24:27 most if not all of its B12 content is removed. 24:31 How long can our body store B12? 24:33 I mean, it's like good question to ask 24:35 because we don't really have an answer, 24:38 we know that we can recycle the B12 24:41 in our body through the bio. 24:43 It gets reabsorbed then into the small intestine 24:46 and then it's used again. 24:48 Unfortunately, we don't have a clear picture 24:50 as to how long that lasts in the body. 24:52 It may be up to several years depending on other deficiencies 24:56 that a person may have. 24:58 It could be as few as a few months. 25:01 It's hard to store several years' 25:03 worth of vitamin B12 25:04 if you do not consume enough to start with. 25:07 Groups that are at greatest risk 25:08 of vitamin B12 deficiency include older people, 25:11 those with Crohn's disease, celiac disease, 25:13 gastritis type A or B, vegans, 25:16 those who are pregnant, people who take acid blockers, 25:19 or anyone who's had surgery to remove or block portions 25:22 of their stomach or small intestine. 25:24 Those who fit into any of these at risk categories, 25:27 may consider getting a B12 test from their doctor 25:30 in order to determine if they have sufficient levels. 25:33 If you're a total plant-based vegan 25:36 and you don't consume any animal products at all, 25:40 then you should make sure that you get a reliable source 25:44 of vitamin B12 and that could be either through 25:47 fortified foods and or a supplement. 25:52 You could have supplement like this, 25:55 this is a sublingual B12 tablet 26:00 and it has 500 mcg in each tablet, 26:03 and you can just stick it under your tongue 26:05 and let it dissolve there. 26:07 You can do that once a week or once a day. 26:11 But the best way really to know is to get 26:13 your B12 levels checked 26:15 so that you know where you stand. 26:17 The recommended daily allowance is about 20mcg. 26:20 Oftentimes, when you go into the grocery store 26:22 and you look for B12, you'll see it in doses 26:25 of a 100mch, a 1,000mcg, 2,000mcg. 26:29 Part of the reason may be that we may not absorb 26:32 all of the B12 that we necessarily take in orally. 26:37 Given that, we usually recommend 26:40 if someone is supplementing B12, 26:42 taking about a 1,000mcg daily and then periodically checking 26:48 your B12 levels, especially 26:50 if someone chooses not to supplement B12, 26:53 they definitely need to make sure 26:54 that they are rechecking their levels at least yearly 26:57 because deficiencies in B12 especially the nerve damage 27:01 that it can occur with it 27:03 and the dementia may be irreversible. 27:05 So if you're thinking of moving to a plant-based diet, 27:08 remember to get enough B12 from four to five sources. 27:12 It's not hard in this day and age to get plenty of B12 27:15 and it shouldn't be a concern for you 27:16 and certainly not a reason 27:18 to keep from moving to a plant-based diet. 27:20 I'm Rise Rafferty with Your Life and Health. 27:24 Well, friends, that's it for today, 27:26 but join us next week for another episode. 27:29 In the meantime, pick up the phone 27:30 and give us a call at 800-525-9192. 27:36 Mention the NEWSTART Now program 27:39 and receive the NEWSTART special. |
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