Participants: Ron Giannoni (Host), Debra Seaver
Series Code: NSN
Program Code: NSN000140A
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00:12 Every year in America, there are over 1 million deaths
00:15 because of type 2 diabetes and chronic obesity. 00:18 This includes heart attacks and strokes 00:20 that's six and half 747s crashing everyday. 00:24 What's even most surprising is that the fix is easy. 00:27 It's your lifestyle. 00:28 Wouldn't it be nice 00:29 if you could actually add quality years 00:31 to your life rather than dying one organ at a time? 00:35 Obesity and diabetes are the cause 00:36 of over million deaths per year. 00:39 Most diseases are reversible, 00:41 because most diseases are lifestyle diseases, 00:44 especially type 2 diabetes and chronic obesity. 00:47 Seriously now, they can be reversed 00:50 and the quality of your life can be renewed. 00:53 Call Newstart today at 1-800-525-9192. 00:59 You will see dramatic changes 01:01 in the first few days of our program 01:03 and you'll be on the road 01:04 to a better more robust quality of life. 01:07 The Newstart programs are simple and effective. 01:14 Hi, friends, and welcome 01:15 to another edition of Newstart Now. 01:17 I'm your host Ron Giannoni. 01:20 In our studio we have a lady, who's been here before. 01:24 Her name is Debbie Seaver from Edmonds, Washington. 01:29 I like to take a look at when she first arrived. 01:34 The last time, feeling embarrassed 01:37 'cause, you know, still on the same boat 01:39 needing to lose wait. 01:41 But on the other hand, 01:43 you know, I know God doesn't condemn me. 01:45 And some things take longer than others to get figured out 01:49 and solved and He's still on my side. 01:52 And He... He's so awesome 01:56 how He answered prayers and through open the doors 02:00 for Andy and I to come here together. 02:03 Andy has seen, you know that what he has been doing. 02:08 You know, the food taste good 02:09 and it's enjoyable and you want more. 02:11 And that's of course totally understandable 02:13 'cause me too right. 02:15 But... you know, you reach a certain age 02:18 where your body just can't tolerate that regime. 02:21 And so to be able to eat together 02:26 and walk together and be on the same page 02:28 and heading in the same direction, 02:30 you know, that this is-- 02:31 our eternal life is starting now. 02:34 And it can be so much more than it has been, 02:37 and I'm excited about that. 02:39 So when I live here, I envision a 180 turn 02:46 in our household when we get home. 02:50 As far as how we live our lives and envision a new normal 02:57 that includes working together towards health, 03:01 planning meals together, 03:03 cooking together, exercising together. 03:07 Spending time in worship together 03:11 and living a life that God has waiting for us 03:16 design for us, specifically for us. 03:18 I don't know exactly what that look like. 03:21 But I know He has a plan for us and that... 03:25 He is anxious for us to be healthy, 03:27 so we can, you know, boldly go forth, you know. 03:32 I know that's His yearning for us 03:34 and that's my yearning for us. 03:37 Welcome back, friends, 03:38 as I promised in our studio, Debbie. 03:40 How are you dear? 03:42 I'm doing well. Thank you. 03:43 Okay, you know the drill. You've been here before. 03:46 I have. 03:47 In fact, our director Paul Zank, 03:52 interview you 10 years ago. 03:54 That's right. 03:55 Isn't that something? Mm-hmm. 03:57 And why are you back? 03:59 Well... 04:01 Well, I saw the interview. 04:02 In fact, I want you to tell the camera, 04:05 why you are back? 04:07 Because I wanted my husband 04:10 to experience the wonder of Weimar 04:14 and he was finally ready to come. 04:18 So that just felt like a miracle to me 04:22 and God opened all the doors and here we are. 04:24 That's a good thing he got here. 04:26 I know, I know, I'm just so grateful to God. 04:31 Amen. Yeah. 04:32 So what do you want from the program? 04:34 You said you needed to lose some weight. 04:37 Dr. Henman said, you don't need to lose any weight, 04:40 you're just a little too short. 04:41 Yeah, that does seem to be a favorite phrase of his. 04:44 Yeah, it is his favorite. 04:47 Yeah, when I was here before, 04:49 you know the program obviously works beautifully. 04:52 Yes. 04:53 I kind of feel like that was the time the seed was planted 04:56 for a desire to have a better life, 04:59 something better, you know. 05:02 But the timing just didn't work out. 05:07 So you are telling me, 05:08 you didn't stick to the program. 05:09 Yeah, well, you know. 05:10 I felt kind of... like a lone wolf. 05:15 Yeah, because your husband hadn't been in-- 05:18 He wasn't-- he didn't really 05:19 had it understood the benefits of it 05:22 and really wasn't ready to even try it. 05:24 I understand. 05:26 And so it just kind of faded off my agenda, you know. 05:31 Okay, so what's gonna change? 05:32 What's gonna be different this time? 05:35 Because you know I'm gonna be following up with you. 05:38 I love that. 05:39 And I'm gonna be the grinder. 05:41 You know, I could be a nice guy 05:43 and then I could be a little bit of grinder. 05:45 Only what people want is what I give them. 05:47 Yes. 05:48 And I know you said, you want to lose weight. 05:51 So that, you know, I have a responsibility to you. 05:55 I appreciate that. 05:57 Well, you know, our God is so good 05:59 and He's so patient with us. 06:02 And I've come to know Him 06:06 in such a more powerful way this past year. 06:10 And I just-- 06:14 I'm tired of not paying attention to my body 06:17 that He gifted me with. 06:20 And I'm little embarrassed 06:21 that I haven't been honoring Him with my temple. 06:23 Oh, wow. 06:25 And so I-- I just feel like, 06:28 it's time to stop messing around 06:30 and it's time to start pay attention 06:33 and I just, you know, He's so good to me. 06:35 I want to honor Him with what I'm doing with myself 06:38 so that I'm ready for service. 06:41 You know, when He calls and you need to go. 06:43 If you're not healthy, you don't feel good. 06:46 You might miss the signal of something that 06:49 He needs done that you could help with. 06:51 So... 06:52 That's so profound. 06:54 What you are saying is absolutely gospel truth. 06:57 And I respect what you're saying, 06:59 I feel the same way. 07:01 Yeah. 07:02 You know, here we are created in these beautiful bodies 07:06 and we as humans are ruining them. 07:08 Yes. 07:09 I was... when I got here 07:11 I was called morbidly obese. 07:14 I know that you hate that phrase. 07:15 That I hate that phrase, 07:17 oh, my... I-- no, I didn't like it all. 07:22 So I lost about 90 pounds. 07:24 Huh, it's so fantastic. 07:25 And you're gonna do the same, I know. 07:27 I'm so excited. 07:28 You're gonna lose at least-- you need to, 07:30 how much you need to lose? 07:31 Well, you know I figure when I get to where I should be. 07:36 It'll even out. Yeah. 07:37 So I'm not tied into a number 'cause truth be told, 07:41 I don't really know what my number should be. 07:44 But I figure God will help me with that too, right. 07:47 We'll talk about that. 07:48 Okay. 07:49 And I'll give you some guidelines 07:51 and we'll talk about you know your body mass index. 07:56 And those kinds of things at another time. 07:58 All right. 07:59 But right now, I want to hear more about 08:02 what you think about the program? 08:07 Well, I hope I'm not gonna cry 08:09 'cause I'm really brilliant at crying. 08:11 I hope you do cry. 08:13 You know as I said to your husband 08:15 about an hour ago as he's you know, 08:17 he was saying, you know I was crying. 08:19 I just said-- 08:21 That speaks volumes of sincerity. 08:25 So don't worry about, you want to cry, 08:26 I'll cry with you. 08:27 Oh, yeah, I just love you. 08:29 And you won't feel alone. 08:31 Okay. 08:33 Well, we got here Sunday and within 24 hours, 08:40 I felt like I have my husband back. 08:43 Wow. 08:44 It happened that fast. It just was such a miracle. 08:48 His eyes were bright again. 08:50 And that fog lifted and he was speak-- 08:55 I'm sorry honey, I hope he doesn't feel like 08:57 I'm throwing him under the bus. 09:00 You might be a little big 09:01 'cause now I'm gonna look for this guy in shinning armor. 09:04 Well, you know, he just, 09:06 he hasn't felt good for a long time. 09:09 And you know traditional medicine, 09:12 you know, if you don't feel good, 09:13 you get a pill for that. 09:14 Right. 09:15 And there's a pill for this and that and the other 09:17 and they all combine together. 09:18 And this is just my personal opinion 09:21 but who knows how all those interact 09:24 to make you feel worse. 09:26 You're right. You know. 09:27 And that's my personal opinion. 09:28 Okay. 09:29 As well as a lot of doctors 09:31 who've been through the program. 09:33 Learning for the first time 09:35 that you don't need a pill to correct a situation. 09:38 And your husband did tell us about 09:40 21 different medications. 09:41 Oh, I know, I know. 09:43 And let me ask you, is he holding your hand again? 09:49 Yes, he's holding my hand. 09:50 Oh, boy, then I know he's changed. 09:53 Yeah, and you know, we're having worship together 09:57 and praying together and I just feel like 10:00 I have been in the middle of an 18 day bit of heaven. 10:05 You have a lot to be grateful for. 10:06 Oh, so thankful. 10:08 You know, I wish you could meet my wife 10:10 'cause she came with me. 10:12 Yeah. 10:13 And she didn't need anything and she lost 40 pounds. 10:17 Yeah. 10:18 And she got healthier and healthier. 10:20 But she says the same thing. 10:23 That she's found her husband again. 10:26 And that was in '05 by the way. 10:28 Wow. 10:29 So this be 9 years in August. 10:31 Oh, I love that. 10:32 But I'm so happy for you. 10:34 Thank you. 10:35 You know, it makes me want to cry that-- 10:38 you know you've been given a gift again. 10:40 Yes. 10:42 You've been given a second chance. 10:43 Yeah, yeah, and so now, you know, 10:46 we're on the same page 10:47 and we can work together and a friend came with us. 10:51 I met her. At lunch, I did. 10:52 Yes, Leanne, and we're all excited 10:55 you know to work together. 10:57 And you know, like have Sunday cooking days 10:59 where we can share recipes and stock our freezers. 11:03 And so it's so much easier with the team, you know. 11:07 Well, the three of you, when you get back to Edmonds. 11:10 You're gonna have to do something in the church, 11:15 teach these people this lifestyle. 11:17 They all claim they know but lot of 'em don't. 11:20 Well, you know, in the course of a lifetime 11:25 what the person is struggles with way. 11:27 There's a lot of this. 11:28 Yes. 11:30 And you know you find something 11:31 that works for a year six months 11:33 and you're all excited 11:34 and that's all you can talk about. 11:36 And then the next thing you know you are buying 11:38 new clothes again in the wrong direction. 11:40 Yeah. 11:41 And I was reading in the Bible in Mathew 11:45 and Jesus healed this man and he said you know, 11:49 you don't need to talk about it. 11:51 Just let you're cleansed 11:53 and grateful life do the talking. 11:55 Amen. 11:56 So I'm feeling like, you know, 11:57 we're gonna have however long it takes, six months 12:01 and he's on the fast track, 12:02 so hope I'll be there way ahead of me 12:04 but you know as we reach our goals 12:07 then people are gonna want to know, 12:09 okay, now we-- now we're interested. 12:12 I want to thank you. We're running out of time. 12:14 Thank you, for coming in and sharing it with everybody. 12:17 And we'll be talking to you in the next few weeks. 12:20 Okay. Friends, don't go away. 12:22 We have a important message for you, 12:25 then Dr. Lukens will be with us. 12:59 Welcome back, friends. 13:00 And in our studio-- how are you, doc? 13:03 Good to see you again. Good to see you. 13:05 Dr. Lukens, I want to talk about Debbie, 13:09 because during the interview 13:11 she said some very interesting things. 13:14 She was here 10 years ago as you know 13:17 and you were probably her doctor then. 13:19 You were. 13:21 And we know that not a lot changed 13:24 from 10 years ago till now. 13:26 So looked to my-- to me like she's slipped 13:29 and didn't stay on the lifestyle? 13:32 Well, 10 years is a long time as you know. 13:36 And that's the reason why it's so important 13:39 if a person can to come with a companion. 13:43 Because if you-- you can just think about it. 13:46 Here her husband is, she's back home 13:48 and she trying to explain to him. 13:50 Hey, this is what we did there 13:52 and he going like, you did what? 13:54 You know and then this is what we ate and he's going. 13:58 You know, so then they have in fact, 14:00 just in this-- this is a thing that 14:04 really, really can kill a program. 14:09 And people you know and you'd say whether it 14:11 just using that as an excuse, no, it's a big deal. 14:13 It is, and my wife came with me as you know 14:17 and if she didn't, how would I go home? 14:20 And you tried to explain it, you can't-- 14:21 I couldn't. No, and then-- 14:23 Besides when they come as companion, 14:27 the companion comes for like half the price. 14:31 And they get to go little lectures, 14:33 they get almost everything that the guest 14:36 or the patient would receive except 14:39 they don't see the doctor, pretty much that's it, right? 14:43 Yeah, and so-- 14:46 you know, if you just kept saying over and over again 14:48 how happy she was 14:49 and her husbands on board with her. 14:51 This time and that you know she's got, 14:54 she got that and to have somebody encourage you along. 14:58 Christ always sends people two together. 15:00 This will be huge. 15:02 This will be really, really huge. 15:04 Yeah. 15:05 Well, have you given-- is there anything 15:08 that the husband can do to support? 15:13 Well, obviously he's here, 15:15 going through the program with her. 15:17 He needs to do as much as she does. 15:19 Yeah, yeah, and he didn't the last time. 15:22 No, this is his first time. 15:24 Yes, yes, I mean when she got home 15:27 he was unable to support her. 15:30 I'll talk about you a little bit. 15:32 Yes, and we know that you've been a doctor 15:36 for a very long time. 15:39 So how did you get involved 15:42 with this side of doctor and let's call it. 15:49 Our researchers are has here Dr. Melon Crane 15:53 and he had been working on hypertensions, 15:55 down at Loma Linda in research for 25 years 15:58 and he told me all this stuff about taking the estrogens 16:05 and progesterone's by mouth and that was-- 16:08 they even made up a pill called Prempro 16:12 and they found out the people were dying 16:14 with strokes so much. 16:16 After that it does raise the blood pressure 16:18 and so it was helping him with hypertensive things 16:21 and he was the one that told that 16:24 when you eat the plant based food 16:28 only you get prostate gland 16:29 that dilate the tiny harder reason 16:32 that's why the people's heart gets so strong 16:34 and you know our records three people have lost 16:40 30 pounds of water out of their legs and lungs and-- 16:43 they are the record that's in one week 16:45 and the record is for 18 days 16:48 40 pounds of the fluid, you know out of there. 16:51 And that's here at the Newstart Program? 16:53 Yeah, in the last-- 16:54 I've been here 25 years of last month. 16:56 Oh, my-- 16:58 Yeah, so I've seen a lot. 16:59 I'm not a real brilliant person but I am an observer 17:04 and when I see these things 17:05 I want other people to know about it. 17:07 Some of the times that doctors, 17:09 they'll just look at me and say-- 17:11 Yeah, what are you talking about? 17:13 Well, one of the guys that I play basketball 17:15 with the doctor down there. 17:17 A family practice, he's-- he's a really wonderful. 17:19 And just super and I said you know, 17:24 last session we got somebody off 17:25 of 200 units of insulin's and he said, what? 17:28 The only time we've ever done 17:29 that is do a bypass surgery on somebody 17:32 and they lose 100 or 200 pounds and then we can get them off. 17:37 He said this is in how long? 17:38 And I said well, he did in 18 days 17:41 and he said no, I've never heard of that. 17:43 Well, yesterday-- 17:44 Isn't if exciting, that's why I'm still here. 17:46 Yeah, yesterday we talked about doctor assistance 17:49 who has just completed with 200 patients. 17:54 After four years 17:57 none an event of any kind no strokes, no heart attacks. 18:02 Now, these patients that went to him, 18:06 I have been told are the-- the ones that everybody 18:09 is given up on so to speak is that true? 18:12 Well, that-- this first batch was 18:13 and now he's getting these off of the phone calls are coming 18:19 and he can tell whether they are really gonna do it or not. 18:21 Yeah, only person had to have some kind of an intervention 18:25 during the three, four years that they were on it. 18:27 And that cardiologist and I'm not saying that against them 18:30 but with the people that are not willing to do 18:35 any life style changes, they lose about 20, 25 18:39 even sometimes 30 percent depending on how sick they are 18:42 when they come to them. 18:43 And here he has less then one percent failures. 18:47 I mean this is of course trying to get people to do 18:50 it as you know that's Debbie. 18:54 You know, now that's the point that she's trying to make 18:58 is that with her husband and she working together. 19:01 And Nathan pretty can found that out 19:03 and he used to, I think I can't remember 19:05 it was $10,000 to $12, 000 for one person 19:08 but they always got to bring the companion for free 19:12 and they found out that that was really the thing 19:14 that made the difference. 19:16 I'd like to talk to you more about Debbie 19:18 but we're running out of time. 19:19 I want to thank you for joining us 19:20 and it's really good to see you. 19:23 Friends, don't go away 'cause up next 19:25 we have a short cooking demonstration 19:28 with Dr. Randy Bivens, on hash browns 19:31 and then Dr. David DeRose will join us 19:34 with the little information on soy products. 19:44 Today we're going to demonstrate 19:46 oven baked hash browns. 19:48 I love hash browns but unfortunately the oil 19:51 is not as beneficial as if we could get the oil out 19:54 and make it taste as good. 19:55 We're gonna show you a way to do that. 19:58 We're gonna start with a half a cup of raw cashews. 20:04 I'm going to put in three quarters cup of water, 20:11 a half a tablespoon of onion powder, 20:17 a half teaspoon of garlic powder. 20:22 Be careful with that because too much 20:24 is gonna take over as a dominant flavor. 20:26 And then two tablespoons of chicken flavoring, 20:29 I've chosen McKay's, you can chose a different brand. 20:32 I like McKay's, it has no MSG in it, 20:35 in the type that I get. 20:36 And I'm just going to blend those until smooth 20:41 and with the high speed blender it takes a few seconds. 20:51 Okay that's now smooth. 20:52 I'm going to add that to eight cups of hash browns. 20:55 You can get frozen hash browns 20:58 and this would speed up the process of making it. 21:02 You will need two pounds 21:05 which is equivalent to eight cups. 21:07 You just want to mix that mixture in 21:09 with the hash browns. 21:10 We're then going to cover it 21:12 with a cup of finely diced onions, 21:15 put it on our cookie sheet 21:17 and then put it in the oven at 400 degrees for 20 minutes 21:21 or until the edges are getting quite brown. 21:24 You don't want to leave it in too long 21:26 because the edges will start burning. 21:28 So that's pretty well mixed up, 21:30 we're going to add one cup of finely diced onions. 21:34 We're going to mix that in 21:36 and then put it on a cookie sheet. 21:38 You can use a nonstick cookie sheet. 21:40 I put a very slight amount 21:41 of olive oil on this cookie sheet, 21:43 just so that the hash browns won't stick to it 21:46 and then we're going to put it in the oven. 21:48 So that's pretty well mixed up 21:49 and we're going to just place that on to the cookie sheet. 21:57 You want to spread it fairly smooth uniform thickness, 22:04 don't compress it too much. 22:09 And then we'll put that in the oven for 20 minutes 22:12 and you'll be amazed that this tastes so much like hash browns 22:16 that you cook in a skillet with all that oil. 22:18 So here we have our oven baked hash browns 22:21 and there's not a bit of oil except the little bit of oil 22:24 that was in the cashew nuts. 22:25 When you eat this, you'll never go back 22:28 to eating hash browns with oil. 22:30 You can notice that it's a little brown on the edge 22:32 that's what you wanted to look like, 22:33 that's tells you and it's done. 22:35 The potatoes are cooked nicely through 22:38 and you can serve those up 22:40 and your family will just love them, enjoy. 22:49 Welcome to ask the doctor. I'm Dr. David DeRose. 22:52 Your questions are what we're interested in 22:55 and giving you answers. 22:57 We're going to Richelle's questions 22:59 from Washington State here it is. 23:02 "I've been hearing a lot of talk about 23:04 the possible health risk of soy consumption. 23:08 Is it safe to eat tofu and other soy foods?" 23:13 Great question, Richelle. 23:14 As speak around the country, 23:16 I'm often hearing questions about soy. 23:18 Is it safe? Is it harmful? 23:20 Is it something that I can include in my diet 23:23 and have it work for me? 23:25 Actually if you look at the medical research literature 23:27 the overwhelming consensus in the medical community 23:31 as far as published literature 23:33 is that soy is a generally helpful food. 23:36 Now, having said that there's always the occasional person 23:39 that has an intolerance or frank allergy 23:41 to any kind of food, even healthy foods. 23:44 And so soy because it is so prevalent today 23:47 in the American diet is actually something 23:49 that we do see not on occasionally, 23:52 in other words we do see a fair number of people, 23:55 they'd come to us with some intolerances 23:57 or some frank allergy to soy. 24:00 Many of you are saying, what do you mean 24:01 soy so prevalent in our diets. 24:03 Soy is used in so many sources, 24:05 it's used as filler even in meat products, 24:07 it's used in baking. 24:08 If you look at ingredients you're gonna often find 24:11 that somewhere hidden on there. 24:12 If even if you don't see it mention, 24:13 maybe there is some vegetable oil 24:15 and that's from a soy source. 24:16 Maybe there is lecithin and it is from soy. 24:19 So here's simple the point, 24:20 if you have a problem with any particular food 24:22 no matter how healthy the medical literature 24:24 says it is, it's something you need to avoid. 24:27 It's true of soy as well. 24:28 What about some of the specific concerns about soy? 24:31 One of the things it's been on the radar screen 24:33 for a long time is women 24:34 who've had a history of breast cancer 24:36 is soy something that they need to avoid 24:38 or is it something that can use? 24:40 The most recent data is suggesting that soy is safe, 24:42 even in that situation. 24:44 Soy actually does have estrogenic compounds. 24:47 And now some of you men now are getting very worried 24:49 but these are very weak estrogenic. 24:52 In fact, things that you are eating estrogenic compounds 24:55 that maybe coming into the animal products 24:57 that may be still in your diet 24:58 are much more estrogenic than anything in this soy. 25:01 In fact, these estrogenic compounds 25:04 in the soy are sometimes even considered anti-estrogen. 25:07 Think about it this way, 25:09 because there a weak estrogenic compound, 25:11 we caught a phytoestrogen or plant estrogenic 25:14 it actually blocks the receptors in your cells 25:17 that would be stimulated by those stronger estrogens. 25:20 So a woman during her reproductive years, 25:23 relatively high levels of estrogenic in her blood, 25:25 those weaker soy estrogens actually decrease 25:28 the impact of estrogen in the body. 25:30 And some of the research shows that 25:32 women from a very early age of eating lots of soy 25:34 actually have a lower risk of breast cancer as a result. 25:38 Well, unless they get into the menopausal years 25:41 often can find benefit in decreasing 25:44 menopausal symptoms by incorporating more soy. 25:47 And for those of us men, soy has been shown 25:50 in many studies to be associated with significantly 25:53 lower cholesterol then the animal products. 25:56 Some of the early research in the 80's 25:58 looked at skimmed milk protein compared it with soy protein 26:01 and found that if you're diet is based around milk products 26:05 you're going to have a much higher cholesterol level 26:08 than if you were including soy 26:10 as the primary foundation for your protein source. 26:13 So soy has a lot going for it, unless you are allergic to it. 26:17 Soy is generally a good food 26:19 and that's the answer to your question 26:20 on today's edition of Ask the Doctor. 26:23 Again I'm Dr. David DeRose, 26:25 if you want to write to us send us an email or contact us 26:28 simply ask@lifeandhealth.org. 26:37 Every year in America there are over one million deaths 26:39 because of Type 2 diabetes and chronic obesity. 26:42 This includes heart attacks and strokes. 26:45 That's six and half 747s crashing every day. 26:48 What's even more surprising is that the fix is easy. 26:52 It's your lifestyle. 26:53 Wouldn't it be nice if you could actually add 26:55 quality years to your life 26:56 rather than dying a one organ at a time? 27:00 Obesity and diabetes are the cause 27:01 of over million deaths per year. 27:04 Most diseases are reversible 27:06 because most diseases are lifestyle diseases, 27:09 especially Type 2 diabetes and chronic obesity. 27:12 Seriously now they can be reversed 27:14 and the quality of your life can be renewed. 27:18 Call Newstart today at 1-800-525-9192. 27:24 You will see dramatic changes 27:26 in the first few days of the program 27:28 and you'll be on the road 27:29 to a better more robust quality of life. 27:32 The Newstart programs are simple and effective. 27:39 Well, friends, that's it for today 27:40 but join us next week for another episode. 27:44 In the mean time pick up the phone 27:45 and give us a call at 800-525-9192. 27:51 Mention the Newstart Now program 27:54 and receive the Newstart special. |
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