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00:23 Hi friends and welcome to another edition of NEWSTART Now!
00:28 In our studio we have Jim Lorenz with us. 00:32 Jim came to us about 17 days ago 00:35 looking for some help with his condition. 00:39 And we want to take a look at Jim when he first arrived. 00:44 I've had cancer for the last 4 years. 00:47 I've had conventional therapy, surgery, radiation, 00:51 a lot of chemotherapy and finally in the last month 00:57 my oncologist said there was nothing more he could do. 01:00 And so we went to Stanford and did a follow up with them 01:07 and the oncologist there was even more direct, she said, 01:12 you're lucky to have lived this long with your diagnosis. 01:15 Go home and enjoy the remaintaining 01:17 time you have and get ready to die. 01:19 I hope to see continued improvement. 01:22 I think even in just these two 01:24 days I feel a little bit better. 01:26 I've had some pain from the cancer 01:28 but even in these two days I think it's a little better. 01:30 Now that might be in my head, I don't know. 01:33 But I would like to see that improve 01:35 and I'd like to see a more vital person. 01:39 And to get around and just feel better 01:43 and to maintain this once we leave here. 01:50 Welcome back friends and in our studio, Dr. 01:54 Jim Lorenz! How are you sir? 01:56 Fine, thank you. 01:58 It's good to see you - It's good to be here. 01:59 I want to get right into your experience here 02:02 because I expect a 02:03 different interview with a doctor. 02:08 Your practice was with 02:10 family medicine? - That's correct. 02:12 In Turlock, CA? - Yes. 02:15 From your professional opinion, how are we doing? 02:20 Good! It's been a good two and a half weeks here. 02:25 Could you tell us what specifically you came here for? 02:29 I mean we heard you in your first interview but 02:33 there must be a reason you had, something you needed to learn, 02:38 to cause you to come here. 02:39 Yes because the diagnosis of 02:42 cancer had gotten to the point where 02:45 they thought there was nothing more they could do. 02:48 And someone had suggested Weimar so we looked into it and 02:53 came and talked with them and it made more and more sense 02:57 that a vegan lifestyle would 02:59 be potentially helpful for cancer treatment. 03:03 And it really has been an 03:06 educational process for my wife and myself. 03:11 I feel stronger having been here and 03:13 the information has been really valuable. 03:17 We're anxious to go on from here. 03:20 We've made a lifestyle change in several ways 03:23 and we're hopeful now. 03:26 Now tell our viewers what you're 03:28 thinking about having made this lifestyle change 03:32 are you 80 or 90 percent raw are 03:35 you going to go in that direction? 03:37 I'm not 80 or 90 percent raw yet. 03:39 Probably 60 percent. 03:41 But I liked vegetables and fruit already so 03:45 I don't think it'll be a big change for us. 03:49 But we plan to work in that direction. 03:52 What I mean by raw of course is raw foods. 03:56 We know that cancers can't 03:57 live on broccoli - Right! 04:00 But they love stakes! - That's right! 04:03 And fish! So, you've decided to become vegan 04:09 and your purpose and reason for being here is to learn about 04:14 being vegan, living the lifestyle, 04:16 learning the laws of health, 04:18 which you already knew to some degree being a doctor. 04:22 Sure. 04:23 Not as much about the nutritional 04:25 aspect as I would've liked to have known. 04:28 But this has been very instructive here and for 04:31 instance I have always liked milk and I find out that that 04:35 has something in it that's not good 04:37 for us either. It encourages cancer. 04:41 So there are cancer patients out there 04:45 that need to hear your testimony because 04:49 some of them have run out of time. 04:52 Some of them are giving up. 04:53 What can you say to that person who's giving up? 04:57 I would say don't give up! 04:58 I think that this is something we should have 05:02 looked at early on in our cancer treatment. 05:05 To make a lifestyle change and become a vegan. 05:07 And I think it makes sense from a medical standpoint 05:12 and certainly from a 05:14 spiritual standpoint too. But I think 05:16 the entire lifestyle, the food, 05:19 the vegan diet, and the exercise emphasis 05:24 is really essential and I think that people need 05:26 to do that early on in their treatment for cancer. 05:29 But it's never too late. 05:31 No, I would encourage anyone to come. 05:33 I think you can feel better and 05:35 stronger and I think when we do that 05:37 it gives us better chances of longevity. 05:42 And if not longevity at least 05:44 better quality than what we have. 05:48 What did you like the most about the NEWSTART program? 05:55 Well, I think that when people come here 05:59 they have some apprehension about the food. 06:03 I didn't have any and I 06:04 know you didn't - Okay. 06:10 I really have to say we didn't 06:11 have any meals that weren't good. 06:13 At all the meals the food has been really amazingly good. 06:17 We've enjoyed that and a re-emphasis on exercise too. 06:22 And then the spiritual component. I think those 06:25 three things together 06:27 strengthen a person in a totality. 06:34 What about the spiritual aspect? 06:37 We have that everyday and it was encouraged. 06:41 I appreciate from the staff standpoint that 06:44 universally these are kind and spiritual people. 06:48 And that comes through in their presentations. 06:52 They often have prayer before lectures and before your visits. 06:56 And that is a comforting thing as well as a beneficial thing 07:02 because I think God can do things for us that we can't do. 07:04 Amen. 07:06 We know that and witness that every month in each session. 07:11 I want to ask you about food again. 07:13 Were you vegetarian or near vegetarian before you came here? 07:18 I wasn't vegetarian but we ate a primarily meatless diet. 07:23 But we ate some meat. 07:25 But quite a lot of 07:27 lacto-ovo vegetarianism primarily. 07:31 We still used milk and eggs quite a lot. 07:36 So you're going back home and you're going to be a vegan. 07:40 Is your spouse going to be? 07:42 Do you have a spouse? I'm not sure. 07:43 Yes, she came with me during the week. 07:45 Right, okay. 07:47 And it's a big help because my learning 07:49 curve with cooking is much bigger than her's. 07:53 So it's going to be a big help to me. 07:55 Well Jim, if you're stalling there 07:58 in the kitchen just grab a carrot. 08:01 Okay, that's good advice! 08:05 I'm glad I don't do much cooking 08:07 these days but I can if necessary. 08:11 So, we've talked about the cooking and the exercise. 08:15 What about the hydrotherapy? 08:17 Do you feel like that had an effect on your body? 08:21 I think it can. I haven't noticed a marked change yet. 08:26 But I expect to see 08:28 something in the future with that. 08:31 I had what we call a fever treatment which raises 08:35 the body temprature for a certain period of time 08:38 and I hope to continue doing 08:40 something similar to that as I go home. 08:42 I think that should help as we have 08:47 a multipronged attack on the cancer. 08:52 Good. Now your doctor is? 08:56 Dr. Ing. - Dr. Ing. 08:58 And will you be staying in 08:59 contact with Dr. Ing? - Yes we will. 09:02 Will he be working in tandem with your present doctor, 09:06 or how is that going to work? 09:09 We didn't so much talk about that 09:11 but I would hope that'd be the case. 09:13 My oncologist said before I came that he 09:15 was anxious to see what would transpire here too. 09:19 So we will keep him informed and 09:20 maybe the two can discuss my case as well. 09:25 Now tonight is graduation. We have a graduation dinner, 09:29 will your wife be joining you tonight? 09:30 Yes, she will. 09:32 And then you'll drive home together tonight, 09:33 or tomorrow morning? 09:35 Tomorrow. - Okay. 09:36 We have about a minute left is there something you can say 09:40 to perhaps encourage or inspire someone 09:44 who is really at the end of their rope? 09:47 Well I know the diagnosis of cancer 09:50 usually creates feelings of death and finality 09:54 but I would encourage you to not give up. 09:57 There are things we can do to improve the quality of our life 10:01 and hopefully to extend our life as well. 10:04 And I look at it not only in my own personal life but also 10:08 for my wife, kids, and grandkids. 10:11 But certainly don't give up. There are things that 10:14 can be done just make yourself available to them. 10:18 Jim, thank you for being on our show. 10:19 Well thank you. 10:21 God bless you and stay in touch for sure! 10:23 And folks, thank you, but don't go away we're 10:26 going to be talking with Dr. Ing right after this! 10:30 Well you've done very well. 10:39 Do you have diabetes, heart disease, 10:41 high blood pressure or do you weigh too much? 10:44 Hi, My name is Doctor Ing and I'd like to tell you about 10:47 our 18 day NEWSTART lifestyle program. 10:51 It includes a comprehensive medical evaluation 10:54 with laboratory studies and a exercise stress test, 10:57 physician consolations, 10:59 culinary school, 11:02 and an opportunity to walk on beautiful trails 11:05 in the foothills of the sierras. 11:09 Your health is one of the most important things that you have. 11:12 Don't wait. Give us a call or visit our website. 11:36 Welcome back friends! In our studio, Dr. 11:38 Ing, how are you sir? 11:40 It's great to see you, Ron! - It's good to see you! 11:43 I want to get right into speaking to our 11:48 viewers about this "C" word. The big "C" 11:53 Could you begin by telling us, 11:57 Jim tells us he's feeling better, 12:01 how could he be feeling better 12:03 in two weeks while having cancer? 12:06 Well a large part of the way you feel is your 12:09 outlook on life and that's really important. 12:13 With a positive attitude 12:15 things are going to go a lot better. 12:19 I was just reading something 12:21 in a familiar text, Proverbs 17:22. 12:24 It says a merry heart doeth good like a medicine. 12:28 The good news is, the bible said it a 12:30 little bit differently but the thought is, 12:32 why do you want to be sad and die slowly? 12:34 In other words why not choose to be happy? 12:37 So no matter what happens to you, 12:40 no matter what adversity, 12:42 challenge, or opportunity you face 12:46 with a positive outlook things go a lot better. 12:48 So that is really important. 12:50 I know there's viewers out there that 12:53 have cancer and are watching us right now. 12:56 What can we say to them to give them some hope? 12:59 Well I think one of the things that's 13:01 important for anyone who's facing cancer is 13:04 you really need to be on the 13:06 best diet you can possibly be on. 13:09 And from the study of nutrition and 13:12 what the bible says man's original diet, 13:15 a plant based diet, is really the best diet. 13:18 The medical evidence shows that those 13:21 who eat a completely plant based diet 13:23 have much less cancer, heart diease, 13:26 diabetes, high blood pressure, and strokes 13:29 than those on the standard american diet. 13:31 By the way the acronym for stand american diet is S.A.D. 13:36 That's something people don't recognise but it's true. 13:40 Going back to man's original diet is a great place to start. 13:46 I think that if people would revert to this diet as soon 13:50 as they find out they have 13:51 cancer if they haven't been on it 13:54 that would give them their best 13:56 chances for survival and overcoming. 13:59 Is there any truth in what I read from The China 14:04 Study that a raw food diet, maybe 80 or 90 percent raw 14:10 can ward off and possibly even reverse some cancers? 14:14 Well, I think that the evidence shows that people who 14:20 have been on an entirely plant based diet all their life 14:23 I don't think we can say they'll never get cancer. 14:26 But their odds of getting cancer are far, far, lower. 14:32 Not only will they be able to avoid cancer but heart disease, 14:36 high blood pressure, diabetes, 14:37 and strokes go along the same way. 14:40 There was an editorial in the 14:41 Journal of the American Medical Association 14:44 about 49 1/2 years ago. It was September of 1961. 14:49 It said with a vegetarian diet 97 14:51 percent of heart attacks could be avoided. 14:55 That would be awesome! 14:56 Now I know the hospitals and the heart 14:58 surgeons and cardiologists might not be so happy but 15:01 I think our country would be happy 15:03 because we would save loads of money! 15:06 Billions and billions. - Yes! 15:09 The evidence is there. There have been many 15:11 different groups who have verified this, Dr. 15:15 Caldwell Esselstyn who will be 15:17 one of our speakers for alumni week. 15:20 That's coming up this June, 15:22 here, in 2011. - That's right! 15:24 Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn. 15:25 Yes, he's going to be talking here. 15:28 Dr. Dean Ornish, who I recently heard at the American 15:32 College of Preventive Medicine just a few weeks ago. 15:35 And many other physicians are 15:37 advocating the advantages of a plant based diet. 15:40 Not only for heart disease but for many of the 15:43 chronic diseases that afflict the American people. 15:46 And are most of these diseases not lifestyle diseases? 15:50 Absolutely! That's what's so 15:52 exciting about this meeting I just went to 15:55 down in San Antonio, TX. It was 15:58 an annual meeting for the 15:59 American College of Preventive Medicine. 16:01 And finally people are saying, for heart disease, 16:07 diabetes and things, 16:08 yes you can pass out medicines that 16:12 do things but the root of the 16:15 problem is the lifestyle of our population. 16:19 I know people might take this as a sales pitch but truly 16:24 if you were to come to our NEWSTART 16:27 program or any other NEWSTART program 16:30 and just put in place the basic principles that we teach 16:36 many things that are ailing people 16:39 today can just reverse and disappear 16:42 as we've seen here. - This is really true. 16:45 I heard Dr. David Katzin, 16:48 his approach was to eat mostly of plants. 16:52 Which I agree with but I go a little bit farther to where Dr. 16:56 Neal Barnard says and eat totally of plants. 17:00 What we say here is whole plant foods. 17:03 And Dr. Barnard's approach to managing diabetes 17:09 is very similar to ours and of course 17:11 he gets results equally as good as ours. 17:14 So it makes a profound difference on people's 17:17 health and their quality and enjoyment of life. 17:20 Another exciting thing was just brought 17:23 out as I was talking to some of the people 17:25 who came here and their usual diet would be 17:28 going out to McDonald's and ordering something. 17:31 One said, well when I go home I'm going to 17:33 have to do things a little bit differently. 17:37 He's been planning about this and he said, 17:40 I was really surprised that while I 17:42 was here I didn't miss having meat. 17:45 In other words, they were amazed that a 17:47 plant based diet could taste this good! 17:50 And that's true, it not only can taste good, 17:52 it's good for you and you'll feel 17:55 better when you eat that type of food. 18:00 Getting back to Jim, 18:02 I know you've counseled with him, 18:05 you've visited together, 18:07 he's a doctor he had a family practice, 18:13 he's a learened man. Did he get it 18:16 any faster than I would, or anyone else? 18:20 I don't know if he got it and faster 18:23 but he realised the importance of it. 18:25 And as we were talking about diet and 18:29 nutrition just today I said, really for you 18:34 a 100 percent plant based diet is the way you want to go. 18:38 As you've already emphasized more raw foods is better. 18:43 I usually tell the patients, 18:45 eat as much raw food as you're willing to eat 18:48 and then take five bites more. 18:51 All the many types of vegetables you 18:54 can eat raw like all your salad greens, 18:58 cucumbers, tomatoes, raddishes and things like that. 19:03 Califlour, broccoli, you can even eat asparagus raw, corn. 19:08 When they get used to doing this 19:10 they're amazed that it really does taste good. 19:13 Taste's delicious! - And it's good for you! 19:16 And if you're overweight, which Jim isn't, 19:19 it makes it so much easier to lose 19:21 weight with that type of approach. 19:24 Now is there anything specifically that 19:26 you've advised him, I know we touched on it 19:30 but I know there are other guests that come here 19:33 that might have a chronic disease that if they do this 19:37 it'll go away but for him when you hear 19:40 that C word people are sometimes afraid 19:43 this means death, it's the end of the road. 19:47 But do we encourage people to have that belief, 19:50 or do we leave them with hope that 19:54 maybe it will disappear or at least subside? 19:58 That's a very good question. 20:02 Healing comes from God. The same one who forgives us, 20:05 as it says in Psalms 103, is the same one who heals us. 20:09 It's interesting as we read in the bible, Exodus 15: 20:13 26 talks about if the children of 20:16 Israel would listen to the voice of the Lord 20:19 and would follow his commandments none of the 20:22 diseases which afflicted the Egyptians would come to them. 20:28 The application in our lives today is, 20:31 if we will not live like the 20:33 world if we will follow the counsels 20:35 of God as far as health and activity, 20:38 we can largely avoid all of these problems. 20:41 And if we haven't been doing that and we 20:43 should become afflicted with those diseases 20:46 reverting back to that diet and lifestyle, 20:50 adequate rest, good plant based nutrition, 20:54 water, avoiding coffee, tea, tobacco, 20:56 alchohol and abiding faith and trust in God. 21:00 Then I think we can 21:01 confidently call upon God when we're 21:03 obeying His guidlines, rules, whatever you want to call them, 21:08 that we can call upon Him and say, 21:10 Lord if it's according to your will that I be healed 21:12 and restored to health and strength I ask you for that. 21:16 But I am willing to accept your will for me. 21:18 Amen. 21:20 We've run out of time. 21:22 I thank you for being here Dr. Ing. 21:24 It's good to see you and friends don't 21:26 go away we have a tip for you right now! 21:29 Hello, I'm Dr. David DeRose. 21:32 You know helping a friend, 21:33 neighbor, or relative have better 21:35 health is one of the most practical 21:37 forms of health ministry available. 21:39 However if you're not a health professional 21:41 it can be extremely difficult to know 21:43 how to help someone access reliable, 21:46 credible, up to date health information. 21:49 That's why I recommend the NEWSTART Lifestyle Club. 21:52 The Club is based on the world famous NEWSTART principles that 21:55 have helped millions be well 21:57 naturally without the use of drugs. 21:59 The Club offers streaming video, 22:01 expert health advice, wellness tips, tools, and more! 22:05 And when it comes to ministry the NEWSTART 22:07 Lifestyle Club provides a way for sponsor 22:09 churches and health organizations to connect 22:12 with club members in their own communities. 22:15 If you'd like to learn more about how the NEWSTART 22:17 Lifestyle Club can make a 22:18 difference in your health outreach, call 22:24 and ask for your free copy of health evangelism made simple. 22:46 Welcome to NEWSTART AT HOME. 22:48 I'm Dr. David DeRose, your host, 22:50 and with me today, Jerry Florres 22:52 therapist with the NEWSTART Medical Clinic 22:55 here at Weimar Center of Health and Education. 22:58 Jerry, it's great to have you with us again today. 23:00 It's great to be here. 23:01 Jerry you are just doing exciting 23:03 things I know in the NEWSTART program 23:05 because I've got patients and they're telling me 23:07 the tremendous things that are happening to them 23:09 through you, God's blessing working through 23:11 you and the other members of the team there. 23:14 Ah, low back pain 23:16 is something that a lot of my patients have 23:19 and you guys there are doing something that's helping it. 23:21 Can you bring us up to speed? Give us some take home pointers? 23:25 Yes, I can. What I'm going to demonstrate right now 23:28 is what I do here at NEWSTART with our guests, 23:31 and it's very simple. Most people 23:33 have bad postural habits, 23:35 they don't exercise enough, 23:38 and even people that walk a lot, they don't stretch. 23:41 So therefore what happens to our body is it tightens up. 23:45 And what happens when you get low back pain, 23:47 one of the things I notice most is 23:50 the psoas muscle, which is what 23:52 I'm going to demonstrate right now. 23:54 It is a muscle that is connected, 23:57 in case you didn't know, your legs 23:59 start right below your twelfth rib, 24:00 right around here. 24:02 And it comes and it hooks onto 24:05 joint of your leg, and it helps 24:07 your leg with moving it like this. 24:09 But when you sit down, they shorten 24:12 and tighten. 24:14 Then they take your pelvis 24:15 out of balance as they shorten, 24:17 and it takes the pelvis out of balance. 24:19 And what happens then 24:21 is ischemic tissue starts to develop, 24:24 and you all of a sudden get this pain that you can't bear. 24:28 You go to the doctor, and most 24:30 people don't know what to do with it. 24:32 So it's the process of the muscles tightening, 24:34 not being flexible enough that 24:36 often sets the stage for low back pain? 24:38 Yes, and what we do-- the key 24:41 to unlock these muscle spasms that 24:44 are happening in the lower back, is to 24:47 add heat, usually we do it through an epsom salt bath. 24:52 Ok. How do you make an epsom salt bath? 24:54 You take two cups of epsom salt, 24:56 which is available at most grocery stores or pharmacies, 25:00 and you take two cups into water that's about 100 to 104 degrees. 25:05 And you pour it in there and you just lie there and relax 25:09 for about 12-- up to 30 minutes. 25:12 Then what we do here 25:14 is we include the massage, 25:17 which gets all the 25:18 muscles nice and lengthened. 25:21 We get the 25:22 the circulation optimally going, flowing to the muscle, 25:26 and once that happens 25:28 you got this nice lengthened muscle, 25:30 all the range of motion, in most cases. 25:33 In some, it takes several therapies 25:35 And then the lower back pain dissipates once the pelvis 25:39 and all the rest of the muscles are nice and balanced. 25:42 So is it true Jerry 25:44 that a lot of the problems people have with their low 25:47 backs is because of 25:48 incorrect postures and movements? 25:50 As a matter of fact yes. As a matter of fact 25:52 most people go multiple times to the doctor, 25:55 and up to 95 percent of the time, even in MRIs 25:59 and in other studies, like CAT Scans, 26:02 they can't find anything. 26:04 Therefore we find out that it's 26:06 muscles in spasm that is causing that 26:09 terrible low back pain. 26:11 Ok, so try to keep more flexible, 26:12 drink more water, that's going to make a difference too? 26:15 Water again is the key. 26:17 You got to stay hydrated 26:19 because if the muscles don't have enough water, 26:22 that means that they don't have enough oxygen, that means that 26:26 it sends a signal to your brain to tighten up. 26:30 Ok, so you provide them with that. 26:32 And not to mention that 26:34 sitting a lot in the position we are in 26:37 shortens those muscles 26:38 therefore again taking the pelvis out of balance 26:43 therefore creating that tissue 26:45 that doesn't have that 26:47 optimum blood flow, therefore pain. 26:51 Is there a real quick stretch you could demonstrate for us? 26:53 We're almost out of time, but is there 26:55 some pointer that is often missed in low back problems? 26:59 I show people, I do this while they are lying down 27:03 and then I also teach them how to do it and it's very simple. 27:07 Most people use this stretch to stretch out their quadriceps 27:10 but what I do is I take it here 27:12 and I add a movement. 27:13 Remember I showed you that muscle that goes from 27:15 the bottom of your rib, 27:17 attached to your spine, your T 12, 27:20 and you bring it down and you just go like this. 27:24 And you repeat this about... 27:26 30 seconds, and you do about 3-4 sets, 27:29 and you do both sides of the body. 27:31 therefore your muscles relax, 27:34 pain is dissipated. 27:36 A lot of simple things you can do at home 27:39 to prevent or treat low back problems. 27:41 If you've got questions get a doctor's evaluation first. 27:44 If you want more information, simply go to: 27:55 Well friends that's it for today, 27:56 thank you for joining us! 27:58 Pick up the phone and give us a call at: 28:03 Have a great day and God bless! |
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