Hi friends and welcome to
another edition of NEWSTART NOW
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I'm your host Ron Giannoni,
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We have in our
studio today, Kenneth Brown,
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who came to us
about two weeks ago
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from the state of Washington
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and rather than me explain
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what had happened, let's
look at when he first arrived.
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I started getting sick
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not realizing
what was wrong with me.
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My doctors where I go
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basically all they tried to
do was shove it off on pills.
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Take a pill, go home
and then see me next month.
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One day I just...
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I just wasn't feeling good
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I got tired of
feeling this sickness
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So I went to my doctor and
they run a bunch of tests on me
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and they told me I had
congestive heart failure.
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I expect to come away from here
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with a whole
new outlook on life.
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A way to manage my
life in a better sense
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Not be the self-destructive
individual I've always been
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And you know just...
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basically follow
God's edict is where I'm at.
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Welcome back friends
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and Ken, how are you my
friend? -Doing real good.
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-Good to see
you! -Good to be here.
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-So I got to get right to it,
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you came here because of
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congestive heart failure.
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-That, and I have
a cirrhotic liver,
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respiratory
problems, high blood pressure,
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and diabetes.
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-Well let's start
with the diabetes then
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any change in the diabetes?
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-Drastically. There has
been a marked improvement,
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We're still working
on getting the numbers
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to the levels that
they want them to stay at,
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they're kind of all
over the board right now.
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But they're not like they had
been, consistant high numbers.
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we're staying down below 200,
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one time a day
it just above 200,
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and we bring that down
under control with the insulin.
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But the rest of the
day it stays pretty common,
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and down below the 150 mark.
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I'm down below the 200 mark
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so damage to the
kidney, is no longer a threat.
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-Good.
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Now what about blood pressure?
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Blood pressure is
very much improved.
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I have some issues...
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with the...
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the numbers.
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The debate is which
number is supposed to be right,
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which is a good number...
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you know if we go by the
bottom number it's all good,
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if we go by the top number
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it's just kinda
shaky, it differs.
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-Ok, then I'm going
to ask you this question:
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since the numbers
are all over the place,
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how do you feel?
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Oh I feel like 100% better
than I did when I got here.
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-In which way? What happened?
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Well they put me on a
two day fast when I got here
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and that gave my body
the opportunity to readjust.
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We removed some
of the medications.
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I have a box full of pills
in my room that I took every day
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and we cut down to
about a third of those pills
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-You just
stopped a third of them?
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-Yes, well he took
two thirds of them away
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he said "stop taking
these, stop taking those..."
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We're staying with
the medicine for the heart
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because the heart
issue is still there.
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But the kidney
problems are gone,
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I have absolute normal
function in my kidneys,
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-Praise God.
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The liver problem
is starting to improve,
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it's got a ways to go.
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We just got the
results back today
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and the numbers are
all markedly improved.
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In fact he had to check
against the sheet that he
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gave me the last time
that we did the blood drawing.
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He had to check the two
sheets to be sure that my
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name and birthdate was right.
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Because he said the
improvement was just so drastic.
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that he wanted to make
sure that he had the right one.
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-Well awesome!
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The weight is coming off,
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-How much weight have you lost?
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-20 pounds.
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And it's not coming
back, it's staying gone.
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It's due to the
exercise and the diet.
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I know the exercise
is the majority of it,
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but the diet in there
is still a major factor.
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Now what about walking.
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Were you able to
walk ok when you got here?
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-I couldn't walk across the room
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my legs were so bad.
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I had severe
respiratory problems.
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Just getting up and walking,
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say, from here to
the wall over there,
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I would be so winded
that I'd have to sit down.
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I was on oxygen for
at least six months.
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And when I got down, I got here
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I couldn't bring the
oxygen on the plane with me
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so I came down here without it,
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thinking that I was going
to get it here if I needed it.
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Well I'm kind of a
determined individual
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when I want
something bad enough,
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I'll literally put
myself through hell to get it.
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The first few days were tough,
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the breathing was an issue.
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I had a...
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I guess I'm good
at hiding things,
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I kept it to myself.
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And as time progressed
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it became easier
and easier, the walking.
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The more I walked
and exercised my lungs,
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the more they adjusted
to not having the oxygen.
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And...
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I don't need it now.
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It's just absolutely...
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You know I still get a little
winded if I try to climb a hill
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I have to slow down.
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-We all get winded.
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One of the doctors
taught me how to breath properly
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so I practiced the
breathing, and as soon as I
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stop and rest, it all
comes right back down to normal
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I'm not sitting there wheezing,
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and coughing,
and gasping anymore
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-Well I've got to
ask you this question:
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Now that you've put
yourself through hell,
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have we here at
the newstart program
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shown you a
little touch of heaven?
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-Oh, yes!
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(laughs)
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In which ways did
you see that manifest
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while you've been here?
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-To start with, the support.
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I was overwhelmed by
the love and affection
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that the staff
gave me, and the guests
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It was...
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The attention that went
into it made it worthwhile
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It made me want to
fulfill the program
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and want to get
to where I am now
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because I knew there was
someone there supporting me.
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And it wasn't just,
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"Here take this pill
and I'll talk to you later."
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If I had a problem they were
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like caring hens
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and they were on me
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taking care of
business right now.
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I didn't have to
ask for anything.
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They could look at me
and see what was wrong.
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and then they were on me,
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and they took care of
the problem right now.
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It gave me the
incentive to go on
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The encouragement from
the staff, and even the guests
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was even more so
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because a lot of
people that came here
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they were getting disappointed
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then they saw where I was going
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and how quickly I was
getting out of the pit,
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so to speak.
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Well if he can
do it, I can do it
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Because I wasn't in as bad of
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shape as he was
when he got here.
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-So you're
inspiring one another?
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-Well I guess
that's what I've been told.
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Everybody sais that
I've been an inspiration.
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I didn't come here to inspire,
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but God has his ways of using
me regardless of what I think.
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And I'm glad that
I was able to help.
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-Now what are you going
to do when you get back home
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and your friends
look at you and say,
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"What happened?"
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-Well I'm going to tell them
about this place for one thing.
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But now you're going to be able
to coach them somewhat, I assume
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-Yeah...
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I've been doing
some of that on the phone
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I talked to pretty
much everybody I know
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or associate with,
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and even my family
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I've told them there's
going to be some changes.
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When I come home I want
to continue this program.
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-Yes. The vegan
diet is going to be my
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my life now, instead of all the
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poisons and the bad stuff
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I have no desire to go backwards
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-We're running
out of time here Ken,
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I've got to thank you for
being in the studio with us.
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-Glad to be here again.
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Just glad I could help.
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-And friends, thank
you, but don't go away
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we've got an
important message for you.
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Well, you've done very well.
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Do you have diabetes,
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heart disease,
high blood pressure,
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or do you weigh too much?
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Hi, my name is Dr. Ing,
and I'd like to tell you
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about our 18-day
NEWSTART lifestyle program.
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It includes a
comprehensive medical
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evaluation with
laboratories and an
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exercise stress test,
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physician consultations,
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culinary school,
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and an opportunity
to walk on beautiful
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trails in the
foothills of the Sierras.
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Your health is one of the most
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important things
that you have. Don't wait.
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Give us a call.
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Or visit our website.
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Welcome back friends, and
in our studio Dr. David DeRose
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How are you doctor? -Good, Ron.
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Good to be with
you -Good to see you.
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-Great to be here!
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Congestive Heart Failure
sounds like a scary thing to me.
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What is it?
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-Well it is a scary thing.
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Congestive Heart Failure
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has a worse
prognosis than many cancers.
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Once the heart starts to fail,
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failure simply means the
heart has more work to do
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than it's able to handle.
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When the heart is failing
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fluid tends to back up in
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places like the
legs and the lungs.
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And although some
people may have failure
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that can be
reversed with lifestyle,
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in other people
it's really the beginning
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of a process that's ultimately
going to take them down.
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When we first
interviewed Kenneth
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he looked gray.
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He didn't look well.
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And during the second interview
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he's changed.
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Tell us what has happened,
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how come the skin
changes like that?
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-Well basically if
you're not getting enough oxygen
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to the tissues, things
will be more blue, more dusky.
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As you heard Ken mention,
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he was on oxygen
before getting to the program
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One of the reasons
that can happen is because
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the lungs can
back up with fluid.
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If the heart is
not pumping efficiently
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that fluid can
back up into the lungs
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that's what happens when the
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left side of
your heart is failing.
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And when there's
fluid in those lungs
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they're not going to be able to
exchange the oxygen efficiently.
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-gotcha
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Now aside from the
heart failure and such,
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he was dealing
with other issues.
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What's his
prognosis for everything else?
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Well the amazing thing about
Ken is just how well he improved
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Like I mentioned, Congestive
Heart Failure in itself
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can be a death sentence.
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His failure
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doing remarkably better
on much less medications.
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One of the halmark
drugs that we use in
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are the
diuretics, or water pills,
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He was taking large
doses of one of the common
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water losing medications,
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in fact taking two drugs
that were both diuretics,
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even though he was
taking large amounts
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and his blood work
indicated so large amounts
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that his electrolytes, his blood
minerals, were out of whack
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he was acting like
he was very dehydrated,
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based on
measurements that we made,
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but backing off
all those medications
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we were able to do that
because of God's blessing
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on the lifestyle
program that ken was following.
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He's on a fraction of
the medicines that he was on,
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his lungs are clearer
today than when he first came,
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he's got less fluid in
his legs than when we came,
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and this guy has
really turned the corner
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and once the heart
starts working better
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nourishing the tissues
better, like he mentioned.
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He had abnormalities on his
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kidney function
test when he came,
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that has turned around.
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So he's had many
normal blood tests
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where we saw all kinds
of flags for abnormal tests
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just two weeks earlier
when he came to the program.
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-Now people who are on diuretics
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when they're on
diuretics they're eliminating
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not only fluids
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as in water,
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but a lot of essential
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minerals and vitamins
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in their body, and they
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tend to be lethargic and such
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shouldn't they be
getting supplements
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of certain types of minerals?
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-That's a very good point
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because commonly the diuretics,
they work on the electrolytes
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the primary target in
these drugs is sodium.
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and when you get rid of more
sodium that takes water with it,
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so they do work to
get rid of excess fluid
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and they can be life saving
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in situations when people
can't handle the excess fluid.
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But they also take other
important minerals with them
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often in addition to having
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lower sodium
levels on a diuretic,
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you'll end up with
lower potassium levels
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and lower magnesium levels.
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And potassium, like you
mentioned,if that gets low
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you can feel very lethargic.
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Magnesium, on the other
hand, when that gets low,
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you can be more
prone to muscle spasim,
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as well as more prone
to heart rhythm problems.
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-So when someone like
Ken comes to the program
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do we check the magnesium
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and the other electrolytes?
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-Yeah we do several things,
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not only do we do
some initial blood work,
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that does a
standard electrolyte panel,
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I almost always start
people early in the program
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on a magnesium supplement.
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Because the bottom line is
even if the blood work looks ok,
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I'm wondering been
happening on a tissue level
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when this person has been on
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diuretics for a
long period of time.
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So in Ken's case
you heard him mention
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I had him go on a
fast for a couple of days
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He was taking
insulin before he came
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we were able to stop
all his insulin initially
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during the fast.
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Blood sugars normalized.
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And like he mentioned,
00:15:41.21\00:15:42.60
things had kind of
been bouncing around
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as after the fast we
were trying to regulate things
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with much, much less
insulin than when we came here.
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So the fast often
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really helps dramatically
get rid of excess fluid
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it helps to kinda
reset the metabolism
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as far as blood
pressure and diabetes
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it's a powerful
thing where it's been used
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in a medically
supervised setting.
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I'd never recommend
anyone on diuretics and insulin
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to just go on a
fast on their own.
00:16:08.78\00:16:10.60
-Is it fair to say that
the two thirds, as he said,
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of the medications
he was taken off of
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was part of the problem?
00:16:19.01\00:16:20.00
-I would hate to say it
that way because really...
00:16:22.36\00:16:24.54
-Well as a
novice I can say that!
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The reason I say I'd
hate to say it that way,
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or hate to
characterize it that way, Ron
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is because
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most of us
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are in lifestyles
that are not optimal.
00:16:35.42\00:16:38.57
That was Ken's situation.
00:16:38.63\00:16:40.18
He was not on a
good lifestyle program,
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he wasn't exercising,
not eating the best foods.
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He knew it, he realized
he needed something better.
00:16:44.66\00:16:47.39
When you're on a
poor lifestyle program
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you often make a
necessity of medications
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that you
otherwise would not need.
00:16:53.36\00:16:54.81
So when he gets on a
really good lifestyle,
00:16:55.33\00:16:57.45
when the Lord starts
blessing things to work better,
00:16:57.48\00:16:59.84
Just like you can
get into a vicious cycle
00:17:00.36\00:17:02.54
where you've got to have
more and more medications
00:17:02.57\00:17:05.03
and the doctor seems to add a
new drug every time you go in.
00:17:05.09\00:17:08.06
when things start
going in the right direction
00:17:08.27\00:17:10.33
we can start backing
those medications off.
00:17:10.45\00:17:13.09
You know, one
day we stop one drug,
00:17:13.12\00:17:14.57
the next day we stop another,
00:17:14.78\00:17:16.45
the next day if we don't
lower a blood pressure medicine;
00:17:16.60\00:17:18.78
that happened to Ken, his
blood pressure was too low!
00:17:19.39\00:17:22.06
Because he was responding well.
00:17:22.27\00:17:24.18
He had to start
stopping blood pressure drugs.
00:17:24.24\00:17:26.27
-So he's one of
many who's responding
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to this
lifestyle. And I'm so pleased
00:17:30.60\00:17:33.06
with his outcome so far.
00:17:33.33\00:17:35.30
Now after he leaves here,
00:17:35.45\00:17:37.78
are you going to
be in touch with him?
00:17:37.84\00:17:39.84
He has a doctor... I
assume he has a doctor at home
00:17:40.15\00:17:44.42
-Oh right, right
00:17:44.48\00:17:45.48
-Will you be working with
that doctor in the future?
00:17:45.51\00:17:47.66
-What we do is when they leave,
00:17:47.69\00:17:49.27
we give them a
packet of materials
00:17:49.30\00:17:51.21
that they either
take to their doctor
00:17:51.24\00:17:52.75
or we mail them
directly to the physician.
00:17:52.78\00:17:54.57
And then all of our patients
know that there's an open
00:17:55.03\00:17:57.75
phone line to give us a call
00:17:58.03\00:17:59.48
I think some of
the other doctors
00:17:59.66\00:18:01.45
sometimes maybe do a
little bit better job
00:18:01.48\00:18:04.36
of getting right
back to the patients.
00:18:04.60\00:18:06.30
I always tell my
patients, look you're my friend,
00:18:06.33\00:18:08.48
if I don't get back with you
00:18:08.54\00:18:09.75
in a reasonable time,
you just keep calling me.
00:18:10.06\00:18:12.36
Because you know sometimes
when you're seeing patients,
00:18:12.57\00:18:15.09
and teaching at
the college as I do
00:18:15.15\00:18:17.39
and traveling some on the road,
00:18:17.60\00:18:19.87
sometimes things
fall through the cracks.
00:18:20.24\00:18:22.24
So we're not actually treating
people when they go back home,
00:18:22.48\00:18:25.36
they're not my
patient in the sense that
00:18:25.39\00:18:27.69
I'm going to be prescribing
or managing their care,
00:18:27.70\00:18:30.24
But we're there to
assist, to work with them
00:18:30.42\00:18:33.12
if their doctors have questions
00:18:33.18\00:18:34.45
we're always
happy to talk with them
00:18:34.46\00:18:35.84
if they have
certain issues or concerns
00:18:36.15\00:18:38.12
we're happy to deal
with our NEWSTART guests.
00:18:38.24\00:18:41.03
And it's really
an open phone policy
00:18:41.09\00:18:42.87
that they can take
advantage of as much,
00:18:43.03\00:18:44.75
or as little as they care
00:18:44.81\00:18:45.87
-I think that's wonderful.
00:18:46.15\00:18:47.81
Umm...
00:18:48.21\00:18:49.45
What about now,
the office visits
00:18:50.33\00:18:54.54
I want to touch on that lightly.
00:18:54.60\00:18:56.00
They're here for 18 days
00:18:56.18\00:18:58.87
How many office visits,
00:18:59.00\00:19:00.45
including the
treadmills and such,
00:19:00.54\00:19:02.54
does someone get with you?
00:19:02.81\00:19:05.18
-If you really
look at all the time
00:19:05.21\00:19:07.42
that they're personally
sitting down with a physician,
00:19:07.48\00:19:09.87
or having a physician
individually evaluate them,
00:19:10.00\00:19:12.60
you're talking between
00:19:12.87\00:19:14.84
8 to 10 visits
between the 18 days.
00:19:15.12\00:19:17.57
Some people were in
their rooms at the lodge,
00:19:17.63\00:19:21.24
If they're having problems,
I'm up there seeing them
00:19:21.33\00:19:23.69
Someone the other day was
00:19:23.81\00:19:25.27
having some
problems in hydrotherapy
00:19:25.48\00:19:27.42
I was up there looking at them
00:19:27.48\00:19:29.81
So...
00:19:30.15\00:19:31.18
By the way, just if your curious
00:19:31.30\00:19:32.81
it wasn't
because of the treatment,
00:19:32.84\00:19:34.36
they just happened to
disclose there to the therapist
00:19:34.45\00:19:37.60
that they were having some
new musculoskeletal symptoms
00:19:37.75\00:19:40.18
that hadn't been present when I
00:19:40.42\00:19:41.48
saw them the
other day in the office.
00:19:41.54\00:19:43.21
So I went up to see if I could
evaluate them in that context
00:19:43.27\00:19:46.69
So basically it's more
of a family environment.
00:19:47.09\00:19:50.87
than a clinic and a
treatment environment.
00:19:51.18\00:19:53.78
So people really feel embraced
00:19:53.81\00:19:56.03
We're often with the
guests during their meals,
00:19:56.06\00:19:59.66
you might find
doctors with them walking
00:20:00.39\00:20:03.33
as their walking on
campus or on one of the outings.
00:20:03.39\00:20:05.78
So it's really a very
supportive environment
00:20:06.06\00:20:09.06
where people really thrive.
00:20:09.12\00:20:10.33
-I know when I
came through the program
00:20:10.57\00:20:12.63
and I got to walk with my
doctor then he had lunch with me
00:20:12.87\00:20:16.21
and he'd have
breakfast or dinner,
00:20:16.45\00:20:18.54
or whatever... I got
00:20:18.72\00:20:20.09
I kind of got, "Oh boy, I
get to ask him extra questions!"
00:20:20.39\00:20:23.30
and that was
really a thrill for me.
00:20:24.21\00:20:26.00
And I know it is too for
you when you see these folks
00:20:26.42\00:20:30.18
go through these transitions
00:20:30.45\00:20:32.51
and they become just
healthier and healthier.
00:20:32.75\00:20:36.18
That's an icing on
the cake for you I know.
00:20:36.39\00:20:38.66
-Oh it's exciting
00:20:38.69\00:20:40.09
I have two specialties,
00:20:40.21\00:20:41.42
I have boards in both internal
medicine and preventive medicine
00:20:41.45\00:20:44.00
I know you know that, Ron
00:20:44.06\00:20:45.15
But I've heard so
many medical students
00:20:45.48\00:20:48.48
and people in training saying,
00:20:48.63\00:20:49.78
"oh I never want to
go into internal medicine
00:20:49.84\00:20:51.63
I mean it's all these people
that get sicker and sicker,
00:20:51.72\00:20:54.84
and congestive
failure and diabetes..."
00:20:54.87\00:20:57.60
You know when you
come to a place like Weimar
00:20:58.51\00:21:00.63
and the NEWSTART program,
00:21:00.69\00:21:02.09
you don't see these
people getting worse and worse,
00:21:02.18\00:21:04.24
our typical rule is we're
00:21:04.30\00:21:05.30
seeing them get
better and better!
00:21:05.33\00:21:06.60
It's an exciting place to be!
00:21:06.66\00:21:08.87
-Doc I want to thank you
for coming on the program
00:21:09.18\00:21:11.81
Thank you for your time,
God Bless you and your ministry.
00:21:12.09\00:21:15.42
And thank you
folks, but don't go away
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Hello and welcome
to NEWSTART at Home
00:22:37.15\00:22:39.00
We're glad that
you're with us today
00:22:39.12\00:22:40.33
and we're also glad that
Dr. Doug Plata is with us
00:22:40.45\00:22:42.87
Welcome doctor.
-Thank you. Appreciate it.
00:22:43.09\00:22:44.75
-You're an urgent care physician
00:22:45.00\00:22:46.48
also do occupational medicine
00:22:46.54\00:22:48.33
in other words, a
lot of people see you
00:22:48.39\00:22:51.75
right when they
really are having
00:22:51.84\00:22:54.15
an issue that maybe
is painful or something
00:22:54.21\00:22:55.72
they can't deal with at home.
00:22:55.81\00:22:57.60
And you're a
family practice physician
00:22:58.33\00:23:00.00
in preventive medicine as well
00:23:00.01\00:23:01.54
And we're talking in
this little series about
00:23:02.36\00:23:04.18
foreign bodies in the eye.
00:23:04.24\00:23:06.39
And we talked
already about dust,
00:23:06.60\00:23:09.06
and like wood chips or
other things like that.
00:23:10.00\00:23:12.27
You shared a technique about how
00:23:12.42\00:23:14.03
taking the eyelid over
the top of the other one
00:23:14.06\00:23:17.06
and of course the idea
of flushing the eye out.
00:23:17.18\00:23:20.45
But we want to talk this
time about what if they get
00:23:20.84\00:23:22.57
a metal speck, something
in their eye like that.
00:23:22.69\00:23:25.57
-You know, maybe
their out in the shop
00:23:26.03\00:23:27.24
and they're
grinding on something
00:23:27.27\00:23:28.57
and something gets into the eye,
00:23:28.63\00:23:30.48
and again the most
important thing to do
00:23:30.66\00:23:33.18
is try to irrigate it out.
00:23:33.24\00:23:34.51
And I think the
key thing with metals
00:23:34.69\00:23:37.78
because they can
actually potentially develop
00:23:37.79\00:23:40.48
actually sort of spread
on the surface of the eye
00:23:40.78\00:23:42.57
and develop what's
called a "rust ring."
00:23:42.60\00:23:44.21
And that would
actually require removal.
00:23:44.42\00:23:47.63
It's something that probably an
opthamologist might want to do.
00:23:47.64\00:23:50.51
So it's sort of a
different category
00:23:50.78\00:23:52.81
now the key there is
00:23:52.84\00:23:55.06
do go ahead and try to
get to a doctor right away
00:23:55.42\00:23:57.72
so that it doesn't
cause this rust ring.
00:23:57.81\00:24:00.24
-Does the rust start to
develop just almost immediately?
00:24:00.48\00:24:03.39
-Very shortly.
00:24:03.63\00:24:05.57
I've noticed that I can
even go ahead and take out
00:24:05.72\00:24:08.48
the metal foreign body
00:24:08.54\00:24:11.00
even if it's 3 or 4 hours
00:24:11.12\00:24:12.60
and I see that little portions
of it will still remain behind
00:24:12.63\00:24:16.30
and that's a
risk of developing it.
00:24:16.31\00:24:17.69
-So can they just
call the opthamologist
00:24:17.78\00:24:19.78
if they have one,
but what if they don't
00:24:19.81\00:24:21.66
do they need a
referral from someone like you?
00:24:21.69\00:24:23.33
-Uh, yes,
sometimes it all depends
00:24:23.48\00:24:25.84
on insurance plans of course
00:24:25.87\00:24:27.21
but I would say probably
00:24:27.24\00:24:29.36
it's best to go
to an urgent care
00:24:29.54\00:24:31.24
be able to be seen right away
00:24:31.33\00:24:32.87
or if you can get into
your primary care physician--
00:24:33.03\00:24:35.36
family physician
00:24:35.37\00:24:36.34
to be able to have
it seen immediately.
00:24:36.51\00:24:38.18
They can deal with it as well.
00:24:38.27\00:24:39.63
-So number 1, you try
and flush it out with water
00:24:40.03\00:24:43.54
Number 2, you try and get that
00:24:43.87\00:24:45.33
foreign body out
yourself if you can
00:24:45.39\00:24:47.12
-Right
00:24:47.15\00:24:48.12
And number 3, head to
00:24:48.13\00:24:49.42
your office or
someone who has a slit lamp
00:24:49.43\00:24:51.15
that can really look closely.
00:24:51.21\00:24:52.45
-Yes
00:24:52.51\00:24:53.60
-And then go from there.
00:24:53.75\00:24:55.78
Let's talk about another thing
00:24:56.45\00:24:58.48
that sometimes
happens to the eyes
00:24:58.51\00:24:59.81
and that's a person that's
helping another person weld.
00:24:59.87\00:25:03.81
When I was in the ER a lot
00:25:04.24\00:25:07.09
we saw that a lot.
What do you do with that?
00:25:07.15\00:25:08.84
-Now are you talking
about the flash burns,
00:25:09.57\00:25:12.72
or are you
talking about things...
00:25:12.75\00:25:14.48
-Yeah the flash burns
00:25:14.51\00:25:15.48
-Yeah, ok this is...
00:25:15.66\00:25:17.21
it's fairly limited;
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not too many people
are dealing with this
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It can basically
cause an inflammation
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the bright light can
cause an inflammation
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of the eye, the iris.
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And that's something that's
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going to need more
intensive treatment,
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often times medicines.
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and an
opthamologist would work on that
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-And is that something where
they have to get in right away?
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-I would say the
sooner the better.
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basically, yeah.
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We probably also
want to mention about
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acid and basic
substances that get in the eye
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-Yes, let's talk about that.
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So you got a chemical,
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or maybe you're washing
and you see that cleaning fluid
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gets in your eye.
00:25:56.39\00:25:57.36
-Clorox would be
particularly common
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but worrisome one.
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And this is something that again
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as with many things
that get in the eye,
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the key is to go
ahead and irrigate the eye.
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And especially if it's some sort
of chemical substance like that
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you really need to irrigate
it for a long period of time,
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15-30 minutes would be good.
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And of course immediately
go ahead and have it seen
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even if you've
really irrigated it well.
00:26:22.21\00:26:24.24
-So let's say
it's my 1 year old,
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and he's like
screaming bloody murder
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and I feel so bad
because he's crying
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do I just keep irrigating
it regardless of him screaming?
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-By all means.
00:26:35.09\00:26:36.15
It's tough, but you gotta do it.
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If you have to hold him
down, foce open the eye,
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pouring it in...
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Do what it takes
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I mean it's the kids vision.
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Vision is one of the most
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important things
that we have been given
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and we want to do
what we can to protect it.
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-So like if the parent,
the Mom or Dad, are saying
00:26:50.63\00:26:52.84
"No, please don't do that"
00:26:53.03\00:26:54.18
You reason with
them, but you keep...
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putting the fluid there.
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And you told me something else,
00:26:59.75\00:27:01.18
you said that the eye is
one of the most vascular areas
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-It's one of the fastest
healing it's like 3 layers
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and in about 3 days
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abrasions, scratches
on the surface of the eye
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they clear up.
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And it's pretty remarkable.
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-That's resilient, as they say.
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We've been talking
with Dr. Doug Plata
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and we've been talking
about foreign bodies in the eye,
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