Hi friends, and welcome to
another edition of NEWSTART Now.
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We have in our studio today
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a gentleman from
Canada, Eric Hveding,
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who is an old Viking type.
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But we'll get into
that in a short bit.
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Let's take a look at Eric when
he first arrived here at Weimar.
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The reason I
came to NEWSTART was
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because I had
issues with my weight
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and with diabetes,
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caused by my
weight-- type 2 diabetes.
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What I'd really
like from this program is
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to really get my
health under control
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and to be able to live
a longer, healthier life.
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And that involves
controlling my blood sugar,
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and therefore my diabetes.
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And also to get my
weight down so I can
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do a lot more things in life
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that I'm unable to
do because I'm carrying
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all this extra weight.
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Welcome back, friends,
and Eric, how are you, sir?
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Oh, doing good.
- Good to see you.
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Yeah, great to see you, too.
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I announced that
you're the Viking
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of British Columbia. [laughter]
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- That's your
heritage, you tell me.
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Yep, that's right. Both
my parents are from Norway.
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- Okay.
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And tell us what's happened
here at the NEWSTART program.
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I know you've been
through some changes.
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How've you been treated?
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Oh, I've been
treated really good.
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I've enjoyed the stay.
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I'm ready to go back
home to my family, though.
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I've got to admit that.
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It's been quite a few days.
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But I've been treated well,
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and I've done lots of walking
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and a big change in diet.
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Not too much
salt anymore, I guess.
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[laughter]
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How's the change in
diet? What do you mean by that?
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Well, just plant-based...
whole foods whole, you know.
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Just plant-based diet, yeah.
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It's been amazing. Some
of the things have been...
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I haven't really felt
shortchanged or hard done by
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on the diet at all.
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You know, sometimes I
might have liked a few things
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that aren't available here,
but really the food's been good.
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Easy transition.
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It's been fairly
easy, yeah. I haven't...
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Like I said, I
haven't felt deprived at all.
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Now, how about
the cooking schools?
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Were you able to learn
enough at the cooking schools
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that you could take
home and teach your family?
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Yeah, I think the
cooking school was beneficial
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just to sorta...not that I
couldn't have sorted it out
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from a cooking book.
I probably could have.
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But it was great to see it,
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to actually see it happening,
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and it gives you an
idea that this is doable.
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I think that was...
To me, that was the most
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beneficial part of
the cooking school,
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was to demonstrate that
this is all pretty easy to do.
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And you actually got
involved, and you assisted
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preparing the meals.
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Is that correct?
- Making ice cream.
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- You were making
ice cream! Ice cream?!
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- You mean to tell me
they served you ice cream?
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Yeah, don't test me
and ask me what was in it,
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because I don't know. [laughter]
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But it was easy. - Yeah.
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Well, we know for sure that
there were no animal products,
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there was no milk,
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and so you made
it from nuts, huh?
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Yeah, there was...
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Yeah, you know
what, I don't remember.
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But anyways,
this ice cream was...
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It wasn't...I don't think it
was quite as good as Hagendaas.
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[laughter]
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- But it was good. It was good.
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It was in there.
- It was satisfying.
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Yeah, and it had
nuts in it and so on,
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so it had nice
texture and everything,
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so it was delicious.
There's no doubt about it.
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Now you said you'd
done a lot of walking.
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Were you walking a
lot before you got here?
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No, not that much really.
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I moved around a
lot, but not to the...
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I'm always on the move
in my business and so on.
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So I was moving around
a lot, and I've got kids.
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So I'm moving around for that,
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but nothing that you
would consider to be exercise.
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Nothing that really was
raising my heart rate up.
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- And so, how much walking
are you doing these days?
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Well, 5 to 7 miles a day.
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Five to seven miles a day!
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Wow, that's great!
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And do you feel
any benefit from that?
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Oh yeah. I
definitely feel better, yeah.
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It wasn't [snap]
like that, so it's been...
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I mean it was, in a
way it was like that,
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because this is
not that long a time.
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But it's not
like a switch turned.
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But so we sorta....
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I didn't feel
terrible when I came here,
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but I feel better now.
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I feel better than I
did when I came, for sure.
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Now, I understand
your blood pressure
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through your
second treadmill test
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was like 120 over
70 without medications.
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- That's right. Yep.
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And we also talked
before we went on the air
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that your blood
pressure can fluctuate
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for various reasons.
- That's right, yeah.
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So, but initially you
had taken yourself off
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the blood pressure medications.
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Is that correct? - Yeah.
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Yeah, I stopped taking...
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I was taking two
blood pressure medications.
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And so we took one off
probably 5 or 6 days in,
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and then we took the
last one off a few days ago.
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What about any
other medications?
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Did you make any adjustments?
Did you go through...?
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Yeah, actually I completely...
I stopped taking the...
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Actually, I don't think
Doctor Lukens even knows this.
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[laughter] Well, I
stopped taking the...
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- Well, whisper it
so he doesn't hear.
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You know, he's on next, so...
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He's going to Africa.
He won't know about this.
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That's right. [laughter]
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He's going to
Africa now, I think.
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But no, it's metformin.
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I was taking metformin, and I...
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- How much
metformin were you taking?
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I guess I was taking about...
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I was taking two tablets.
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I think they're 500 mg tablets.
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Two tablets in the
morning, one at lunch,
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and then two in the evening.
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Wow, so you stopped them all?
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All, yep. - How long ago?
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A few days ago, yeah.
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Well there's proof
that if you stop them
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you're not going to
keel over dead, huh?
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Oh yeah, no no.
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My blood sugar is
still a little bit high,
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but it's almost normal.
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You know, I did the same thing.
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I stopped my-- I was
taking metformin, as well.
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And I stopped my medication
and then I went to the doctor,
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and I said,
"Well..." And he said,
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"Well, let's keep monitoring,
and we'll see what happens."
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It never went back up.
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And it's been that
way, it's normalized,
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four and half, well actually,
it's almost 5 years this August.
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- Wow, that's great. Yeah.
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- So, you did
good. There's hope!
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- There's hope! There is hope!
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So what else have
you learned here that
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has helped you
change your lifestyle
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and perhaps taken you
off of any other medications?
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Well I don't take any other.
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Those were the
medications I was taking.
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So I'm basically
not taking any now.
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And I'm sorta debating.
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I was upset about
a couple of things
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not related to here,
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and so my blood pressure was up
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a little bit higher
than I'd like it to be,
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so I was
debating whether I should
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be taking that medication again.
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But Doctor Lukens
said that wasn't a problem.
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He said, you know, if
you're upset about something
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it fluctuates
and goes up and down.
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So basically I'm not
taking any medication now.
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That's the bottom
line, so that's great news.
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I just learned how
to eat and live healthy.
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I guess one of the things
that really impacted me the most
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is that the body really
isn't functioning properly
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unless you're exercising.
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It just sorta
makes everything work.
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So if you're sedentary,
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things just aren't functioning
quite the way they are.
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And you know, you can feel
it. I can feel the difference.
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- Oh, absolutely. I don't
think our bodies were designed
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to be just laying
around doing nothing.
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And so I applaud you that
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you're walking
as much as you are.
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You know, the doctors here
will teach us or share with us
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that if you want to get healthy,
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you need to walk 4,
5, 6, 7 miles a day.
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After you feel in a
state of good health
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where your weight is stabilized,
everything is going swell,
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three miles a day is adequate
to keep yourself status quo.
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So you're going to continue
walking when you get home.
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Oh yeah. I'm lucky,
because where I live
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I've got access to
stuff right outside the door.
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- Good.
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Now what about
weight? You shared with me
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you wanted to lose some weight.
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Did you lose any weight?
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Yeah, I lost. I mean, you know,
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I think that some people
who know that I went here,
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they probably
thought maybe I was going to
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lose a leg or
something while I was here,
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or 50 pounds, or
something like that.
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But I've lost 11-12
pounds while I've been here.
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So I'm happy with that.
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I've taken about 2
inches off my waist.
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- Wow. May I ask your age?
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Fifty-three.
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So in 53 years you
gained all this weight,
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and in 15 days you
lost 10 or 12 pounds.
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So another two weeks you
lose another 5 or 10, and then
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you know, onward
and upward from there.
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- That's right, yep.
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A couple of pounds a
week is more than enough.
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Oh, I think so, yeah.
- And you're on your way.
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And it adds up fast.
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And it seems to go--I guess you
can't get discouraged, either,
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because you have
flat spots, you know.
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The weight doesn't go down,
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and then all of a
sudden it will drop.
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And the thing is,
when you're walking--
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I've changed my
exercising habits, obviously--
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and so then you
build up muscle mass.
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You build up some
muscle mass, also.
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So you've got weight...
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I've probably gained
weight in muscle mass,
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and I've lost
weight in fat, so...
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We're running out of time.
I've got to cut you short here.
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Eric, thanks for joining us.
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- God bless you in
your new lifestyle.
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Friends, don't go away,
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because Doctor Lukens is going
to be with us in just a moment.
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Well, you've done very well.
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Do you have diabetes,
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heart disease,
high blood pressure,
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or do you weigh too much?
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Hi, my name is Dr. Ing,
and I'd like to tell you
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about our 18-day
NEWSTART lifestyle program.
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It includes a
comprehensive medical evaluation
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with laboratory studies
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physician consultations,
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culinary school,
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and an opportunity to
walk on beautiful trails
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in the foothills of the Sierras.
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Your health is one of the most
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Welcome back,
friends, and in our studio,
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a real good friend
of mine, Doctor Lukens.
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- Very glad, very glad
to be here with you again.
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It's so good to have you here,
and it's always good to see you.
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But before we get started,
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I have to tell our viewers,
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next month will be 21 years
you've been here at Weimar,
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and 15 years...
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- I don't get
around very much, do I?
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[laughter] You don't
get around much at all!
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Except on the golf
course, I've heard.
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But then 15 years in Africa.
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- Yes. Why?
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Why would a doctor
spend 21 years here at Weimar?
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Because you get to
see people get well.
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That's the whole thing.
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I know that's the
answer, but it has to be a real
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deep burden for
you, I would imagine.
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Well you know, the first time
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that I saw this
with the diabetes,
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and people were coming in,
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and they had these
horrible pains in their feet.
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And they
described them sometimes as,
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"You know, it feels like
I'm walking on hot coals."
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Or "It feels like I'm
walking on broken glass."
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Or, "It feels like I'm
walking even on razor blades."
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Some of them
described it that way.
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That's excruciating
pain. And one lady said,
00:12:46.42\00:12:48.60
"I talked to my
doctor and I said,
00:12:48.81\00:12:50.57
'I'm gonna do my very
best to get my blood sugar
00:12:50.63\00:12:52.87
just really under control.
00:12:52.88\00:12:54.54
I'm going to do
everything you say.
00:12:54.60\00:12:56.39
And then my feet
will stop hurting.'
00:12:56.42\00:12:58.24
He said, 'No, your feet
will never stop hurting.'"
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You know.
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- You didn't like
that. Well she didn't.
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[laughter] - She
sure didn't like it!
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What I really liked
about the whole situation
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was that at the
end of the program
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she said, "My feet
are almost well now."
00:13:11.81\00:13:13.75
And that's again those
tiny little blood vessels.
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They dilate up,
00:13:17.27\00:13:18.78
the circulation comes
back into those nerve sheaths,
00:13:18.84\00:13:22.51
the nerves start
getting healthy again,
00:13:22.75\00:13:25.42
and the diabetic neuropathy
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is going, going,
and many times gone.
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- Now I know you have some...
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- In 18 days! In 18 days.
00:13:32.73\00:13:34.42
You have some papers
there you want to tell us about
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with regards to Rick
00:13:37.57\00:13:39.39
and what's
happening with him. - Eric.
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I'm sorry, Eric. - Yeah.
00:13:41.39\00:13:43.06
He told me to call him Rick.
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Maybe...well, it's Eric.
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Anyway, here he is.
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He's one of the
original Norskmen, you know.
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- I know!
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And he's a big Scandinavian guy.
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- He brought his
outfit, you know.
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- Oh no, I didn't know that.
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Oh yeah, he's got a
big hatchet, and a...
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No, I'm just kidding.
00:14:01.45\00:14:02.81
So anyway, the thing
that's so exciting about him
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is that he comes in here,
and he doesn't know what...
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whether his
sugar's been in control.
00:14:12.66\00:14:15.09
And this is frequent.
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Because how would you like to
stick your finger 6 times a day
00:14:16.84\00:14:20.15
to get your
blood sugar all right
00:14:20.16\00:14:22.12
under the best kind of control?
00:14:22.42\00:14:24.15
And so I said, "Well
how often do you...?"
00:14:24.36\00:14:26.54
"Ahh," he said,
"well you know, that...."
00:14:26.55\00:14:29.00
So I said, "Well how
good is your blood sugar?"
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And he goes, "Well, you know..."
00:14:31.82\00:14:33.51
So I know that he doesn't know.
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So we order one up,
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and we find out that
his average blood sugar,
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like 24 hours a
day, is like 240.
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- Wow! Yeah, I mean,
00:14:44.36\00:14:46.21
that means that
his body is just,
00:14:46.51\00:14:49.30
all of his parts
are just wearing out
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at the micro level.
00:14:51.66\00:14:54.45
But since he's been here,
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what's happened? I know
you're going to tell us.
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He came in, and his
fasting blood sugar was 237.
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That means no food,
hasn't eaten for 12 hours - 237.
00:15:04.12\00:15:08.87
That's why his hemoglobin A1c,
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the 3-month test, was so high.
00:15:12.27\00:15:14.18
And when I showed
him his results today,
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his blood sugar, fasting,
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had dropped over 100 mg per dl.
00:15:21.72\00:15:25.66
So it's like 136 now.
00:15:25.67\00:15:29.78
So he's on his way to getting
his blood sugar under control.
00:15:30.18\00:15:33.21
Yeah, well, if that's
the way he continues to go.
00:15:33.51\00:15:36.36
He's lost more than 10 pounds.
00:15:36.57\00:15:38.60
And we've got him off 2 of
his hypertensive medications.
00:15:38.75\00:15:43.36
He came in, his blood
pressure was like 150 over 90,
00:15:43.39\00:15:49.09
which is not terribly
high, but he was on 2 meds.
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They had ordered
another one for him to take.
00:15:52.42\00:15:55.09
And it's an expensive med.
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He didn't want to put
out the money for that,
00:15:57.84\00:16:00.36
but he figured
he had to have it.
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And then his blood pressure,
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when we got him ready
for the treadmill today--
00:16:06.72\00:16:08.84
his second treadmill,
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which was very much
improved from the first one--
00:16:10.36\00:16:13.27
and his blood
pressure was like 125 over 75.
00:16:13.42\00:16:19.69
And he said, "Whoa,
that's pretty good, isn't it?"
00:16:20.21\00:16:22.12
I said, "That's excellent!"
00:16:22.13\00:16:23.66
But he got on the treadmill,
00:16:24.00\00:16:25.24
and I think he went
another minute and a half,
00:16:25.25\00:16:27.24
and his blood pressure didn't
go high like it did before.
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I think his blood
pressure when he was recovering,
00:16:30.61\00:16:33.84
the one-minute recovery,
00:16:33.87\00:16:35.57
was like 235. - Wow.
00:16:35.66\00:16:38.42
A lot of people would
stop the treadmill before that,
00:16:38.48\00:16:40.81
but you know, he's
been on the program,
00:16:40.87\00:16:44.09
and I think the
highest it went in the recovery
00:16:44.18\00:16:47.30
was in the low 200s.
00:16:47.36\00:16:49.30
And the highest that he
got while he was exercising
00:16:49.39\00:16:52.15
was about 30 points
lower than it had been before.
00:16:52.18\00:16:55.72
This is two weeks.
00:16:55.73\00:16:57.12
Two weeks. - Exactly two weeks
00:16:57.18\00:16:58.36
between the two treadmills.
- Isn't that amazing.
00:16:58.42\00:17:00.51
Now, what are the
statistics (easy for me to say)
00:17:00.78\00:17:05.21
of high blood
pressure in America?
00:17:05.30\00:17:08.30
Oh, 6 out of 10
after 65 years of age
00:17:08.57\00:17:12.72
will be suffering
from high blood pressure.
00:17:12.84\00:17:15.57
Every family in
the whole United States
00:17:15.69\00:17:19.36
is going to be affected by this,
00:17:19.42\00:17:22.36
and their family
members and so forth.
00:17:22.54\00:17:24.36
And what we've seen, at
least what I've seen here,
00:17:24.57\00:17:27.36
and I think you would agree,
00:17:27.45\00:17:29.03
is that a lot of
people aren't aware
00:17:29.12\00:17:30.81
that you can control
it without medication.
00:17:30.82\00:17:32.84
No, that's right.
00:17:33.12\00:17:34.33
But the part that I
think is so neat for him
00:17:34.39\00:17:37.21
is that his blood sugars now...
00:17:37.27\00:17:39.30
And I brought this along.
00:17:39.42\00:17:41.03
You know, and I can't
get into the whole thing,
00:17:41.04\00:17:44.66
but if somebody's interested,
00:17:44.72\00:17:46.42
this is Family Practice News,
00:17:46.66\00:17:49.09
February, middle of
February, of this year.
00:17:49.12\00:17:52.36
And they're saying,
00:17:52.60\00:17:53.72
"There's
increased mortality seen
00:17:53.87\00:17:56.69
when the hemoglobin
A1c is below 7.5 percent.
00:17:56.70\00:18:03.69
That means the average
blood sugar should be 169."
00:18:03.84\00:18:09.12
And people are trying to
00:18:09.18\00:18:10.36
force it, force
it, force it down,
00:18:10.37\00:18:12.03
so that their blood sugar
never goes over, say, 140.
00:18:12.30\00:18:16.42
And this was done
in the United Kingdom,
00:18:16.66\00:18:20.51
and it was done
on 48,000 people.
00:18:20.54\00:18:24.00
That's a pretty
good-sized study.
00:18:24.15\00:18:26.12
Huge! Okay.
00:18:26.13\00:18:27.75
And what they found out...
And this was done by Eli Lilly,
00:18:27.81\00:18:31.12
who makes some
of our best insulin.
00:18:31.27\00:18:33.12
They make the long-acting one
00:18:33.21\00:18:34.87
that doesn't have any
of those real high peaks,
00:18:34.88\00:18:37.54
and then they make
the short-acting one
00:18:37.63\00:18:39.30
that's just like your body does
00:18:39.31\00:18:41.06
when you're going
in there for a meal.
00:18:41.09\00:18:43.60
And what they found out is that
00:18:43.69\00:18:45.84
if you got your
hemoglobin A1c below the 7.5,
00:18:45.87\00:18:49.54
that's what your
average blood sugar was,
00:18:49.69\00:18:51.51
is 169 for 3 months average.
00:18:51.66\00:18:55.36
That means after a meal
you're probably going up to 350,
00:18:55.51\00:18:58.72
sometimes 400 when
you eat the wrong things.
00:18:58.87\00:19:01.12
That's what his was doing.
00:19:01.18\00:19:02.75
He had some that were
400 after he ate, you see.
00:19:03.06\00:19:05.81
And so they found out
that if you're shoving it down
00:19:06.00\00:19:09.36
with insulin,
you're forcing it down,
00:19:09.48\00:19:11.69
that your large blood vessels
and your coronary arteries
00:19:11.78\00:19:15.36
are more likely to plug up,
00:19:15.42\00:19:17.42
and mortality is increased
00:19:17.48\00:19:19.39
if you try to shove
it down with insulin.
00:19:19.42\00:19:21.51
What if you shove
it down with NEWSTART?
00:19:21.63\00:19:24.12
Well, then you're
going to live longer.
00:19:24.39\00:19:26.57
Everything... No.
00:19:26.69\00:19:28.60
It'll go down and
go down and go down,
00:19:28.63\00:19:31.12
and there's no
increase in mortality
00:19:31.18\00:19:33.60
because the blood
vessels are opening up,
00:19:33.66\00:19:36.51
and all of these
things are happening
00:19:36.57\00:19:38.45
that are going in
the right direction.
00:19:38.46\00:19:40.48
And that's just a
wonderful, wonderful thing.
00:19:40.49\00:19:43.15
And he didn't know
about that, you know.
00:19:43.27\00:19:45.12
He's up there in
Canada, and he goes in,
00:19:45.21\00:19:49.51
and he does exactly what
the doctor tells him to do,
00:19:49.63\00:19:52.39
and tries, you know.
00:19:52.63\00:19:55.06
I mean, within limits,
but he doesn't like all the
00:19:55.12\00:19:57.39
sticks and everything that
he has to do on his fingers.
00:19:57.40\00:20:00.27
And so here he is.
00:20:00.30\00:20:02.03
He's got his blood
sugars under control,
00:20:02.21\00:20:04.51
he's maxed out on the metformin,
00:20:04.57\00:20:06.60
which is one of the better ones.
00:20:06.61\00:20:08.15
We know that it's not
nearly as good as lifestyle.
00:20:08.24\00:20:10.81
So here he is.
00:20:11.00\00:20:12.15
Eli Lilly wouldn't want
this study to come out this way.
00:20:12.24\00:20:15.09
They make the insulin.
What's wrong with the insulin?
00:20:15.15\00:20:18.30
These people
already have enough insulin,
00:20:18.31\00:20:20.87
and I told him
again and again and again,
00:20:21.06\00:20:22.78
I said, "Eric, you've
got to get your weight off."
00:20:23.03\00:20:26.63
He's morbidly obese, you see.
00:20:27.00\00:20:28.72
He lost over 10
pounds while he was here,
00:20:28.87\00:20:31.48
but as he keeps
going in that direction
00:20:31.49\00:20:33.69
his blood sugars are going to
come down with lifestyle alone.
00:20:33.84\00:20:37.30
He's going to walk away
from those things, and I said,
00:20:37.39\00:20:40.45
"Don't concentrate on
all these different things.
00:20:40.51\00:20:42.84
Concentrate on exercise.
00:20:43.06\00:20:44.78
Your weight will go down,
00:20:44.81\00:20:47.33
your blood sugars,
your blood pressure,
00:20:47.36\00:20:49.12
and all these things will
keep going in the normal range
00:20:49.13\00:20:51.63
just like you had here."
00:20:51.81\00:20:53.51
He's excited.
00:20:53.60\00:20:55.27
You can tell he's excited
00:20:55.39\00:20:56.60
Absolutely. - by
the way he talks.
00:20:56.69\00:20:58.57
- And we're excited for him.
00:20:58.81\00:21:00.03
How many miles a
day should someone walk,
00:21:00.15\00:21:02.69
this exercise
you're speaking of?
00:21:02.78\00:21:04.60
Well he's trying to do 5 to 7,
00:21:04.84\00:21:07.30
but 3 to 5 is enough as long as
you're on the whole plant foods.
00:21:07.33\00:21:11.36
Okay. I hope you
saw that, and heard it
00:21:11.60\00:21:16.18
from Doctor Lukens.
00:21:16.24\00:21:17.84
Thank you for joining us.
00:21:18.12\00:21:19.60
Let's keep
everybody excited. - Yes.
00:21:19.75\00:21:22.15
And folks, don't go away.
00:21:22.27\00:21:23.72
We have an important
message immediately following.
00:21:23.84\00:21:27.24
Welcome to NEWSTART at Home.
00:21:41.39\00:21:42.81
I'm your host, Dr. David DeRose.
00:21:43.09\00:21:45.06
With me today,
Hildelisa Flickinger,
00:21:45.15\00:21:48.51
registered dietician
00:21:48.66\00:21:50.00
and masters-trained
nutrition specialist.
00:21:50.01\00:21:52.39
Hildelisa, it's always great
to have you on the program.
00:21:52.45\00:21:54.54
Thank you for having me.
00:21:54.66\00:21:56.06
We've been talking in
previous episodes about weight,
00:21:56.12\00:21:59.72
the huge problems that
00:21:59.73\00:22:00.84
Americans are
facing in this area.
00:22:00.85\00:22:02.54
And I know a lot of times
some people say that we're just
00:22:02.72\00:22:05.15
hyping this up as
health professionals.
00:22:05.30\00:22:07.45
Is this everything
that it's blown up to be?
00:22:07.51\00:22:10.33
Well, I think so.
00:22:10.63\00:22:11.78
You know, 67 percent of
Americans, or of adults,
00:22:11.79\00:22:15.63
are either overweight or obese.
00:22:15.69\00:22:18.18
And this of course poses a
great risk for chronic disease
00:22:18.45\00:22:21.84
such as diabetes and
hypertension and heart disease.
00:22:21.85\00:22:25.60
And how much does obesity
have to do with these diseases?
00:22:25.72\00:22:30.33
Just for example,
just a couple of examples,
00:22:30.42\00:22:33.12
according to the CDC,
00:22:33.36\00:22:34.81
80 percent of obesity,
or excuse me, of diabetes,
00:22:34.87\00:22:39.87
is related to obesity.
00:22:40.21\00:22:41.78
So this is not a radical group.
00:22:42.12\00:22:43.18
Centers for Disease Control is a
00:22:43.42\00:22:44.66
well-recognized
government agency.
00:22:44.69\00:22:47.09
And they're saying that 80
percent of diabetes in America
00:22:47.12\00:22:49.78
is due to
obesity, at least in part?
00:22:50.00\00:22:51.51
Right, and 70
percent of heart disease,
00:22:51.57\00:22:55.78
cardiovascular
disease, is due to obesity too.
00:22:56.00\00:22:59.42
So we've got to get some
more practical hints today
00:22:59.84\00:23:02.33
how people can help
trim those waistlines,
00:23:02.57\00:23:06.09
and as a registered dietician
00:23:06.12\00:23:07.69
you've got great
expertise in this area.
00:23:07.70\00:23:09.87
What kind of things do
you find connect with people?
00:23:10.03\00:23:12.60
What kind of practical things
help them to lose a few pounds?
00:23:12.63\00:23:15.45
Well, there are
three basic strategies
00:23:15.66\00:23:17.42
to help with weight loss.
00:23:17.43\00:23:18.63
Number one, that would be
to eat more foods that are
00:23:18.72\00:23:21.63
low in energy density.
00:23:21.66\00:23:24.09
Number two, to be
physically active,
00:23:24.24\00:23:26.36
and number three, to
reduce portion sizes.
00:23:26.51\00:23:29.48
Now portions, of course,
this is the main contributor
00:23:29.54\00:23:33.06
to obesity in our country,
because Americans eat too much.
00:23:33.12\00:23:37.06
We have oversized
our plates and ourselves.
00:23:37.15\00:23:39.78
But I mean, it's not
really our fault, is it?
00:23:40.12\00:23:41.60
Because you go into a
restaurant or a fast food place
00:23:41.61\00:23:44.54
and they want to give you
some kind of supersize serving.
00:23:44.55\00:23:47.21
Isn't that the way it works?
You get more for your money?
00:23:47.22\00:23:49.12
That's right.
00:23:49.30\00:23:50.42
And you know, when
we're talking about portions,
00:23:50.45\00:23:53.03
you hear those words serving and
portions used interchangeably.
00:23:53.04\00:23:57.03
But they refer
to different things.
00:23:57.12\00:23:59.12
Okay, wait a
minute. So if someone says
00:23:59.24\00:24:00.75
one serving of broccoli,
00:24:00.81\00:24:03.51
that's different than
a portion of broccoli?
00:24:03.54\00:24:06.00
- You gotta make
this clear for us.
00:24:06.12\00:24:08.06
- How does that work?
00:24:08.07\00:24:09.12
Well, a serving is not what
you happen to put on your plate.
00:24:09.30\00:24:12.75
A serving is actually
a specific amount of food
00:24:12.78\00:24:16.54
defined in common measurements
such as cups and tablespoons.
00:24:16.57\00:24:21.12
Basically to
make recommendations
00:24:21.13\00:24:24.24
for the basic food groups.
00:24:24.33\00:24:26.06
Okay, so a serving
is kind of dietician,
00:24:26.30\00:24:28.84
medical specialist language.
00:24:29.00\00:24:30.75
It's the
recommended amount of food.
00:24:31.12\00:24:32.69
Help me here.
00:24:32.87\00:24:34.09
Let's say someone
says a serving a meat.
00:24:34.15\00:24:37.27
What does that look like?
00:24:37.51\00:24:38.54
Okay, a serving of
meat is going to look
00:24:38.78\00:24:40.84
basically like a deck of cards.
00:24:40.85\00:24:42.66
It's about 2 to
3 ounces of meat.
00:24:42.69\00:24:44.45
A deck of cards,
I mean, that's tiny!
00:24:44.48\00:24:47.48
Because a portion, what
someone puts on their plate,
00:24:47.78\00:24:50.42
is usually much
bigger than that, isn't it?
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Right, so a portion is actually
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what you choose
to put on your plate.
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And that could
be smaller or larger
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than the
recommended serving size.
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this portion size information,
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to plan our
plates, to plan our meals?
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Yes. Now, the first
thing you want to do
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to reduce your portion
size is to use smaller plates.
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Now you know that in the 1960s
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the average dinner
plate was 9 inches.
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And it held about 800 calories.
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Through the years, that
of course has increased.
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And now we have
12-inch plates that can hold
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up to 1900 calories.
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And here, I ran
across this plate.
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It's called The Portion Plate.
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And it's a 9-inch plate
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and it has different
pictures that illustrates
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different portions that they
recommend for different foods.
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But what I like best is that it
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gives what an
ideal meal should be.
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And what is that? How
does it show you an ideal meal?
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Well you can do
this with your own plate.
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And that would be,
you divide it in half,
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and half of the plate should
be your fruits or vegetables,
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and then the next
half, the second half,
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you divide it again in half.
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So one quarter of the plate
should be your healthy grains,
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and the remaining quarter
would be the protein food.
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And I recommend that
be plant-based proteins
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like beans and legumes.
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So basically I can lose weight--
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I mean, I don't
want to lose weight,
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but if someone's
trying to lose weight,
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they can simply cut
their plate in half,
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put half of that plate
into fruits and vegetables.
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The other half divide it
into quarters, if you will,
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and you've got the protein
foods and the whole grains.
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I'm Dr. David DeRose.
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Hopefully you've learned some
things today that will help you
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reach your health goals.
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If you want more
information, simply go to:
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Modern views of
evolution stem all the way back
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to theories
developed in the mid-1800s.
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Out of the same time
period came ideas that shape
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our educational system today.
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The Common School
Movement, for example,
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saw schools more like a factory,
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with students blindly
memorizing instruction
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rather than
thinking for themselves.
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Their curriculum was
rigid and theoretical.
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Instead of being
flexible and practical,
00:27:13.22\00:27:16.06
it was designed to
conform the individual
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into a specific ideological mold
00:27:18.69\00:27:21.24
that fit the needs
of an old industrial era
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long since passed.
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Just like our view of
creation in six literal days,
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we believe the Bible contains
an educational blueprint
00:27:30.12\00:27:34.12
radically different
from the one we see now.
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Well friends,
that's it for today.
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Pick up that phone
and give us a call at:
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And may the Lord
richly bless you this day.
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