Participants: Ron Giannoni (Host), Don Whitecar
Series Code: NSN
Program Code: NSN000063
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00:23 Hi friends and welcome to another edition of NEWSTART NOW.
00:27 We have in our studio today, 00:29 Don Whitecar from Cameron Park, California. 00:33 Don came to us with 00:34 a little different situation 00:36 that I'd like to see a small clip when he first arrived. 00:43 The bottom line term for me is chronic fatigue, 00:45 I just find myself 00:47 exhausted and tired all the time, 00:49 and it's affecting 00:51 my mood, it's affecting my ability to participate. 00:54 I was recently laid off from work, 00:56 and although I was part of a big 00:58 group that got laid off from a big company, 01:00 I know that part of it dealt with my performance 01:03 and that sort of fuzzy brained 01:04 feeling of just not being on my game. 01:07 I want to understand 01:08 the fatigue and how to address it. 01:10 I'm not certain I can fix it, 01:12 and fix it and make it go away, 01:14 but if that can make it go away, that's fabulous, 01:16 that's-- that's the-- that's the cherry on top. 01:19 That's the gift. 01:20 But to understand it so I can manage it. 01:25 Welcome back friends, and in 01:26 our studio-- Don, how are you sir? 01:28 I'm doing well. 01:29 Well I want to get right into this 01:31 interview because I see a different guy... 01:34 and I want you to tell us about that. 01:36 What's happened? What has changed? 01:39 Wow, where to begin! Ah... 01:42 We were talking earlier about just 01:44 what was the best part that I liked, 01:46 and I couldn't pick a best part because 01:49 all the pieces together create the process, 01:52 the process creates the time, the time creates 01:55 the movement. 01:57 You know you can say the time with the doctors are the test, 02:00 or reviewing the blood-work, or the treadmill, or 02:04 the time with the food, 02:06 and the cooking classes or the hiking. 02:07 Ah... 02:09 All of it 02:11 kind of came together. 02:12 I think one of the questions I asked 02:14 in the beginning is why eighteen days? 02:15 They said well two weeks is too short, 02:18 and three weeks is too long, 02:19 and 18 days seems to cause the change. 02:22 - Right in the middle! 02:23 I always kind of in my background was watching that, 02:27 and I support that. It's... 02:30 the... 02:32 there's not a lot of downtime, 02:35 there's certainly a lot of time to be with yourself. 02:37 Now you said-- just before we 02:39 went on the air here-- 02:41 you said you figured this out, you got the right combination. 02:44 What is it? Tell... tell us so that 02:47 someone watching can benefit from this. 02:49 Well for myself with chronic fatigue, 02:53 I think maybe a little bit of story would 02:55 be better before just saying what it was. 02:57 Sure. But I didn't 02:58 exercise for many years. 03:00 I have done many different kind of careers-- they're stressful. 03:04 Hmm... 03:06 I kind of showed up in life. I didn't plan my life, 03:08 in terms of knowing what college I wanted to do, 03:10 and what education I wanted to do. 03:12 22 years ago, it was really 03:14 important to me to have a family, 03:16 and to be a provider. 03:18 I grew up in the 60s and 70s and had 03:20 kind of a relaxed attitude toward life, and 03:22 there were some things that I brought with 03:24 me that were stressful, so I wasn't ready to 03:26 if you will, grow up and be the 03:28 super adult and all that good stuff. 03:30 And... 03:36 I'm drawing a blank right now, so you'll have to edit this out! 03:40 No this is the real you. That's ok! 03:42 The... the last 22 years 03:47 was being really serious 03:49 about being a father-- providing. 03:53 Trying to be everything to everybody else but me. 03:57 So exercise was last, 03:59 my lifestyle was... 04:00 well, I tried to be good about it you know. 04:03 But what tended to be observed here 04:07 and I had some MRIs checked in the past, 04:10 was evidence of reduced blood 04:12 flow in the frontal part of my brain. 04:15 Isn't that interesting. Now who is your doctor here? 04:18 Dr. Lukins. 04:19 - Dr. Lukins. - Right, and so 04:21 in talking with him and looking at the blood work 04:24 and looking at my stress test, 04:26 and just talking about how much exercise I do. 04:28 And even though I've been cycling for the last three years 04:32 the issues that I've been struggling with-- I can at 04:34 least take them back eight years working with doctors, 04:36 and 12 years in my mind of wondering, 04:38 what is really going on here. 04:40 And so the fatigue to me feels 04:43 in a way I'm kind of understanding it right now, 04:45 and it's subject to change 04:46 because I'm learning now about something quite specific for me. 04:51 And it is a future of exercising you know, 04:54 five-six days a week, 04:56 getting the cardio up, 04:58 The whole plant food diet has a lot of benefits to it because 05:02 typically my caffeines and my fats 05:05 and my meats and so forth all deal with 05:07 constricting the blood flow in the brain. 05:10 And you know I used to be 05:11 somewhat cynical about all this sort of-- 05:14 have to exercise this much, because 05:15 back in my twenties and 05:17 thirties I felt-- much more able. 05:19 And I've had different kinds of tests done on my brain, 05:22 and they say, You're a very 05:23 gifted person, you're very smart. 05:25 But if you're inside of me watching 05:28 that sort of Mr. Magoo kind of feeling you know, 05:31 you wonder! Ah, so 05:36 for me what I've observed is 05:40 understanding, what is the issue for me, 05:42 and the improvement. 05:44 I've had a couple of days while 05:45 being here over the last eighteen days 05:47 where I felt very clear headed. 05:48 And I've had some days 05:49 where I didn't feel very clear headed. 05:52 And what was interesting about one of my worst days was 05:56 two days after I rode 40 miles-- 50 miles on a ride 06:00 over in the San... in the Santa Rosa mountains, 06:04 and it was a four thousand feet of 06:06 climbing and a three thousand foot mountain. 06:09 - Wow - And it was pretty strenuous. 06:11 And so, you know I pushed myself but I never have 06:14 pushed myself until the last three years of my life, 06:17 so 55 years of my life was a rather... 06:19 sloppy sort of life, and I'm now paying the price for it. 06:24 So now it's about exercising 06:27 reducing-- fixing my blood, fixing the capillaries. 06:32 So... 06:33 can we share with the viewers 06:36 how you're fixing your capillaries? 06:39 My understanding is-- Whole foods eaten whole. 06:43 These rejuvenate and 06:46 make your capillaries, and arteries and such 06:50 more elastic so the blood can flow, 06:52 they expand the arteries. 06:54 Right, right. My resting pulse was 06:58 72 to 75 when I came here. 07:00 It's now 58 to 60. 07:03 - Wow. - My blood pressure was 07:05 125 over 80, 125 over 75, 07:09 and this morning it was 108 over 50 I think? 07:14 Ah... 07:15 - That's remarkable! 07:16 I've riden 140 miles on my cycle, on my bike 07:20 the weekend before coming here and then 07:22 the two weekends I left and came back. 07:25 So there's been some strenuous exercise, 07:27 but the people I ride with are still much stronger than me, 07:30 so I have a lot of catching up to do! 07:32 Well you're off to a pretty good start I would think. 07:35 It feels better, hmm... 07:37 there is... 07:40 you know it feels better from that perspective. 07:43 There's another aspect of 07:44 being here too though, and you know 07:46 we all come here with our baggage, 07:47 we all come here with the swamp that's been filled with-- 07:50 and needs to be drained. 07:51 And... the people, the doctors... 07:56 something happens in a way where 07:58 you're not asked to share 08:00 but you tend to share, 08:02 and it tends to heal. 08:05 So that's good. 08:06 I see that-- I see-- 08:08 I sense a little emotion that's come-- 08:10 Nah! 08:13 Maybe I sensed that the last time we talked 08:15 but it's comforting, it's 08:18 actually a breath of fresh air 08:20 to see this sincerity 08:22 and this healing process going on 08:25 with all our guests, particularly you. 08:28 Well you guys have a gold mine here, 08:30 I hope you take advantage of it. 08:32 There's hmm... 08:34 there's a lot of 08:36 companies out there that are producing products, 08:38 and marketing messages and so forth. 08:41 And you guys 08:42 tend to cut through a lot of that, 08:44 and get right down 08:45 to the fundamentals of 08:47 here's what dairy products can do, 08:48 - Yes. - here's what... they can do 08:51 And here's what meat can do, and here's what 08:53 vegetables can do-- the statistics, the facts. 08:56 The evidence is sufficient to 08:59 make me realize you know, lifestyle 09:03 is something that you need to stop and think about... 09:07 This is not coming here to fix a broken bone, 09:10 or a broken back, or a collapsed lung, 09:12 which are things that I've had, 09:13 you know this is coming here and looking at lifestyle. 09:15 And the word lifestyle is actually I 09:17 think a really good choice of words... 09:19 because it is... 09:21 lifestyle, and it deals with you know, 09:23 your position with your religion and your spirit 09:26 and your emotions. 09:27 And we all come here with our baggage, 09:29 and our suffering, and... 09:32 knowing that that stuff has all kind of contracted us... 09:35 Hmm... 09:39 They spend time with people who have 09:42 to deal with hope, 09:44 or to deal with wanting courage, 09:46 or to deal with having inner strength, 09:48 or getting over their anger or their fear. 09:51 And you start working with people and realizing how 09:53 much of us are unhealthy because of our emotional life, 09:57 and then you start realizing if you 09:58 just put a decent diet in your body 10:01 and have a good lifestyle and wrap around it, 10:02 it sure makes it a lot easier. 10:05 Well Don, I want to thank you for your testimony. 10:08 And I really would like to thank 10:09 you for joining us here in the studio. 10:11 - Thank you for what you guys do. 10:12 - May God bless you. 10:13 And friends I'd like to thank you for joining us, 10:16 don't go away, because in a moment 10:18 we're going to be talking with Dr. Lukins. 10:22 Well, you've done very well. 10:30 Do you have diabetes, 10:31 heart disease, high blood pressure, 10:34 or do you weigh too much? 10:36 Hi, my name is Dr. Ing, and I'd like to tell you 10:39 about our 18-day NEWSTART lifestyle program. 10:43 It includes a comprehensive medical evaluation 10:45 with laboratory studies and an exercise stress test, 10:49 physician consultations, 10:52 culinary school, 10:53 and an opportunity to walk on beautiful trails 10:56 in the foothills of the Sierras. 11:00 Your health is one of the most 11:02 important things that you have. Don't wait. 11:04 Give us a call at: 11:09 Or visit our website: 11:28 Welcome back friends and as I promised 11:30 Dr. Lukins. 11:32 It's such a pleasure. - Happy again, happy again 11:34 You were away for a bit. 11:36 Yes, we were in... 11:37 - You did some good missionary work! 11:38 We did some missionary work, 11:40 we actually went to Enterprise Oregon, 11:43 where we did a reversing diabetes and obesity program. 11:47 And... - Strong work. 11:49 the Lord blessed. 11:50 People were just so grateful that we were there, 11:53 and we had a good time, 11:55 we got to be in that high country, 11:57 see a lot of snow... 11:58 So what did you find out about Don? 12:01 Well that's it, I want to ask you 12:03 about Don-- here's a changed guy. 12:05 When I first met Don 12:07 he seemed... well he was different 12:10 but tell us from your perspective, 12:13 tell us, what's happened? 12:14 He's-- all of a sudden his blood pressure is dropped 12:18 he's a different sort of guy, he feels like he's got the 12:21 combinations in the safe. 12:23 Well here we go again! 12:25 The dilation of those tiny little blood vessels 12:29 and the flow goes into 12:31 the brain the heart the kidneys. 12:34 I say that over and over again because it's so important, 12:37 and that is what will change anyone who goes on 12:41 to the whole plant foods 12:44 diet from Eden onward. 12:47 And that's-- it's worth doing that no matter what it is. 12:51 Now his is a very interesting situation, 12:54 because here's a guy 12:56 that's in the corporate 12:59 he's in IT, 13:01 he's worked for Intel, 13:04 he's worked for IBM, 13:05 he's worked for all these things. 13:07 If they had a project, 13:08 he was the whiz kid, he'd say give me that project 13:11 and then he'd go into it. 13:13 And you know with all the stressers and everything that 13:18 can go into a job like that, 13:20 and a lot of people, they say, Well look, 13:24 it's like I'm on a treadmill, 13:25 I'm running running running like a 13:27 like a rat in a... 13:31 just going on and on and on without accomplishing anything, 13:35 on one of those little spinning wheels. 13:37 That's part of it. 13:39 The other part that 13:41 he didn't get into a lot was 13:43 there's a lot of personal stress in his life, 13:46 family issues and things like that. 13:49 And when you go through those, 13:51 after a while 13:53 these alien thoughts, they just kind of 13:56 keep creeping back into your mind. 13:59 They keep 14:00 digging on you, keep eating on you, 14:03 and after a while, that changes 14:07 everything about you from your thoughts and your 14:10 optimism can go into pessimism 14:13 Your buoyancy, your 14:16 get out there and let's do it 14:18 and it gets slowed down until you finally 14:21 get to the place where-- Can I do it any more? 14:24 And that's... probably what chronic fatigue is. 14:29 And it could be a different kind of a stresser, 14:31 or it could be someone going through surgery, 14:33 it could be somebody with a loss of a loved one, 14:37 That's a big thing, 14:38 it's a very big stress 14:40 and stress is really the killer. 14:42 Ok, I'm... 14:44 You know I think our viewers got a pretty good grip of that, 14:47 but I want you to tell us one more time if you will, 14:49 what is it in these whole foods? What is that substance 14:54 that helps us get healthy? 14:57 What is it? 14:58 Well one of the things is so very important 15:01 is that when you eat just the plant based foods, 15:05 we get those prostaglandins in there-- 15:07 - Prostaglandins, there's that word! 15:08 - Prostaglandins, and 15:10 they improve our immune system if they come from plants, 15:14 they make our platelets so they're not so sticky 15:18 they make our... 15:20 blood vessels so that they dilate up. 15:23 And he was worried about foggy brain, 15:25 and all these kind of things, 15:27 and then the other thing is they're anti-inflammatory. 15:31 And so, you know you can say-- 15:33 he was discussing about-- 15:35 you and he were discussing about the blood flow and stuff, 15:39 but those big arteries, they don't clear 15:42 out that fast it's out there at the end 15:44 where they dilate up, just a tiny bit, 15:47 but the flow goes into those organs, 15:50 and the pressure behind them... 15:51 and that's why his blood pressure dropped. 15:54 His cholesterol dropped from over 200 15:57 down to about 165. 15:59 And where should it be? 16:01 under 150? 16:02 Yeah, ideally under 150 16:05 but with this kind of food and with this exercise, 16:09 he's doing all the right things. 16:10 He lost ten pounds while he was here. 16:12 All of those things make him feel better, 16:15 but this chronic fatigue thing is what 16:17 the people out there are... 16:20 nobody really knows what it is, 16:23 but we know, even the psych journals 16:25 and stuff like that are telling us now, 16:28 we know that what's happening 16:30 is that a person is going through some kind of stress. 16:34 It's not like boom, you know 16:36 you got the flu, it's not that kind of thing. 16:39 It's a slow smoldering, 16:42 insidious, 16:43 ongoing, grinding... 16:47 type of thing. 16:49 And after a while, sometime you wake up 16:51 one morning and you say, 16:54 I'm finished, you know where do I go from that? 16:58 And then, this is the hardest part, 17:00 you start looking for 17:02 the magic bullet. 17:04 You start looking, now what can I do? 17:06 How do I cure this thing? 17:08 What do I do? Is it nutritional 17:10 supplements that I need? 17:12 Is it-- am I lacking a trace element? 17:16 And it's none of those things. 17:19 It's just that slowly, slowly, almost imperceptibly 17:22 you've gotten yourself into this, 17:24 there's been a big 17:26 stresser in your life, 17:28 and it's something. 17:30 Chronic fatigue is actually something that's there. 17:33 Now the point is, is that what we have to do 17:37 is to get the people to focus 17:39 away from that. 17:42 So you-- he... 17:45 He will go through some times in the future where 17:48 he'll think, well I'm back to where I was before. 17:52 Occasionally we see somebody come in 17:55 and whatever it is, they catch it 17:58 they just become optimistic, 18:01 whatever, and they go for it. I've seen this a few times, 18:04 but most the time, it's like you come in and you say well 18:07 How bad off are you? On a scale of one to ten where 18:10 ten is, you feel you can't do anything. 18:12 And they say, Well, I'm an eight or a nine. 18:14 And then when they leave they say, 18:16 Well I'm a six or a seven. 18:18 Well that's in the right direction you see. 18:21 So-- but this lady she was down to like a three, 18:25 and I saw her years later and she was just happy. 18:28 But that's not what most people get. 18:30 See that's what everybody would like. 18:34 Anyway now what he has to do 18:36 is he has to keep doing these things. 18:38 He needs to get into a situation 18:40 where he gets up every day, 18:42 he goes to work, 18:44 maybe he doesn't take on the 18:46 big project, and the mega company, 18:49 but he does something, and he 18:51 keeps going until he gets back into it. 18:54 Now he may have not have said this 18:56 but he has a real strong background history 18:59 of atherosclerosis, 19:01 plugged up arteries, 19:04 you know, Alzheimer's disease and all these kind of things. 19:08 So going in the right direction and 19:09 Alzheimer's disease as we've said before 19:12 is probably primarily vascular. 19:15 Ok. But now that he's getting these prostaglandins 19:20 and the capillaries and the arteries-- 19:22 - From the plant based... - From the plant based foods 19:24 all this will slowly 19:27 increase that frontal lobe that 19:30 I understand-- 19:31 - All of his circulation. 19:33 Yes, and that's important. 19:35 Well it's vital, 19:36 if you don't have good circulation, 19:37 you can't have good health. 19:39 Then you're done. - Oh yeah, yeah. 19:41 - And that's what creates heart attacks. 19:43 Yeah. - And you said the inflammation- 19:45 - And it happens so quickly. 19:46 Because we have people come in and 19:48 walking around the half mile loop, 19:51 that they get anginal pain, and the second week 19:55 it's almost gone when they go slowly around. 19:57 They can tell the absolute difference, 20:01 it's not psychological. 20:03 Dr. Ornish showed that in his PET scans. 20:05 Now I've asked you before, and I'd like 20:08 to ask you again if you don't mind Doctor, 20:10 what is it that the viewers can 20:13 do at their home right now today, 20:16 what can they start doing today, 20:18 that will help them get better? 20:20 The most important thing that you can do 20:24 is to start exercising. 20:27 The exercise is the most 20:29 important thing to start that circulation, 20:32 it'll help every part of your 20:34 blood flow, every part of your body. 20:37 But it needs to be helped... 20:41 by having those foods that are going to dilate those arteries. 20:44 We get prostaglandins from the 20:46 meat, milk, eggs and fish, 20:48 but they're the ones that 20:49 constrict them instead of dilating them up. 20:52 So it's important to the exercise 20:55 or to get the exercise... 20:57 That's so important because you feel better, 20:58 you feel like you can do something again. 21:00 And then the plant based diet. 21:03 Yes, and lifestyle I'd rather say than diet 21:06 because I don't like the word diet. 21:08 Who's the healer? God is the healer, 21:10 God is the healer. 21:11 and if we have no trust in Him and 21:13 you know then we can't have 21:14 that peace and with the peace then 21:16 we can start the healing process. 21:19 Amen. - He's the great healer. 21:20 Yes. 21:22 Doctor I want to thank you for coming on the set with us. 21:24 - My pleasure. - It's always good to see you. 21:26 And thank you for joining us, but 21:27 don't go away because we have an important tip for you 21:30 right after this. 21:46 Welcome to NEWSTART AT HOME. 21:47 I'm Dr. David DeRose, your host today, 21:50 and with me is Jerry Florez. 21:52 Jerry is a massage therapist here at 21:54 Weimar Center of Health and Education. 21:56 Jerry it's great to have you here today. 21:58 Thank you Doctor DeRose. 21:59 Jerry I know you've really put 22:01 your heart and your life efforts into 22:03 helping people with pain. 22:06 And I think as we speak today about pain 22:07 a lot of people-- they hear that word, 22:09 and they say, Pain--bad stuff. 22:11 Is that the kind of connection we should make in our minds? 22:14 Ah well most people think pain as an enemy. 22:18 But we got to ask ourselves that question, is it a 22:21 friend or is it a foe? 22:23 Sometimes people over-exaggerate pain, 22:26 and sometimes people undermine it. 22:28 So it's important to know, 22:30 when to get professional help, 22:32 when to seek out someone to help you interprete 22:35 what's going on inside of your body. 22:37 Well let's just look at an extreme case. 22:39 Jerry I know you've... 22:41 studied a lot about the subject of pain. 22:43 You've helped hundreds of people 22:44 over the years, probably thousands, 22:47 I don't know if anyone is keeping track 22:48 track of the numbers, but 22:50 you've helped a lot of people with chronic pain. 22:52 But there's a lot in the medical 22:54 research literature suggesting that 22:56 pain may actually be something that could help us. 22:59 Can you give us some insight into that? 23:00 Sure. 23:02 Pain is usually interpreted 23:05 as an alarm system 23:06 in our nervous system, and 23:09 just to 23:10 point it out simply, 23:11 at first pain whispers to you. 23:14 Ok. - Then when you 23:15 don't pay attention to it 23:17 it starts talking to you, 23:19 as we are conversing right now. 23:21 And when you don't listen to that, 23:23 it finally screams at you. 23:26 And that's when most people 23:28 pay attention, they go see a doctor, 23:30 a therapist, and then go out and get some help. 23:33 The important thing is to know 23:35 a little about your own body, 23:38 and what that pain is saying to you. 23:41 So pain early on can be something that can help us 23:43 become aware of a problem that we can then address? 23:46 - Yes. 23:47 Now there are cases in the medical research literature 23:51 where people have not been able to feel pain. 23:54 A lot of individuals hear about this they say, Wow 23:57 I got so much pain I wish I 23:58 couldn't feel pain. Is that a good thing? 24:01 Yes it is, as a matter of fact one 24:03 of my favorite books, The Gift of Pain 24:05 by Dr. Paul Brand, 24:07 who spent 50 years in the United States, 24:10 in London, and in India 24:14 at leprosy sanitariums. 24:18 And he found out that when lepers 24:20 didn't feel pain that they constantly 24:23 injured-- re-injured themselves, and they ended up 24:26 damaging tissue. For example they would grab 24:29 grab a hot handle, 24:31 and they would burn themselves 24:33 over and over and then get infection 24:35 until eventually their hand had to be amputated. 24:37 - Wow. 24:39 So pain, instead of being 24:40 something we should run away from, 24:42 we should ignore, we should medicate, 24:43 It's really something, 24:45 we should say, What am I doing wrong, 24:46 or What's happening in my life that I need to address. 24:48 - Exactly. 24:49 So what are some practical lessons for 24:51 one of-- any of our viewers if they say, 24:53 Listen, I've got this back pain, arm pain, wherever the pain is, 24:56 are there some general 24:57 principles as to what someone should do? 24:59 - Yes. 25:00 As a matter of fact as soon as you start 25:02 feeling a little bit of pain, let's say in your neck, 25:04 there's something that's going on there. 25:06 Bad posture, sleeping wrong, 25:10 muscles tighten up, 25:12 the reduced oxygen flow to that area and water flow 25:16 causes what's called ischemic tissue. 25:19 And it's basically the water and oxygen supply is being 25:23 cut off, so nutrients, oxygen, 25:26 and water can't get there, therefore 25:28 the pain gets more intense until eventually 25:31 it could lead to a full blown muscle 25:33 spasm where the pain is excruciating, 25:36 and you can't even move your neck. 25:38 Wow, so what's happening is 25:40 because of this spasm, this tightening, 25:43 we're not getting adequate circulation to the muscle 25:46 and things just get progressively worse. 25:48 Exactly. 25:49 How can someone relieve that? 25:51 Ah, in future sections we'll be talking about that, 25:54 but I do want to point out something. 25:56 Please. - You know, 25:58 pain is very interesting. 25:59 For example, in your eye 26:02 your eye is one thousand more -- 26:04 times more sensitive than the sole of your feet. 26:08 So, when something is thrown at your eye, 26:11 in your subconscious eye and your nerve system, 26:14 your body automatically 26:16 throws in a reflex and you shut 26:17 it without even thinking about it. 26:19 But if you grab a handle, 26:21 and it... 26:23 burns you, it 26:25 just feels horrible and you remove it. 26:27 That's because the skin is more sensitive. 26:30 Wow. We got a lot of great information about pain, 26:33 and how you can get help. 26:34 Jerry's going to be with us in some future segments. 26:36 If before then you want more information 26:39 just simply go to: 26:51 Modern views of evolution stem all the way back 26:53 to theories developed in the mid-1800s. 26:56 Out of the same time period came ideas that shape 27:00 our educational system today. 27:03 The Common School Movement, for example, 27:05 saw schools more like a factory, 27:07 with students blindly memorizing instruction 27:10 rather than thinking for themselves. 27:12 Their curriculum was rigid and theoretical. 27:15 Instead of being flexible and practical, 27:18 it was designed to conform the individual 27:20 into a specific ideological mold 27:23 that fit the needs of an old industrial era 27:26 long since passed. 27:28 Just like our view of creation in six literal days, 27:32 we believe the Bible contains an educational blueprint 27:36 radically different from the one we see now. 27:52 Well friends that's it for today. 27:54 Pick up that phone and give us a call 28:04 God bless you. |
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