Hi friends and welcome to
another edition of NEWSTART NOW.
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We have in our studio today,
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Don Whitecar from
Cameron Park, California.
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Don came to us with
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a little different situation
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that I'd like to see a small
clip when he first arrived.
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The bottom line term
for me is chronic fatigue,
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I just find myself
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exhausted and
tired all the time,
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and it's affecting
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my mood, it's affecting
my ability to participate.
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I was recently
laid off from work,
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and although I was part of a big
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group that got laid
off from a big company,
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I know that part of it
dealt with my performance
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and that sort of fuzzy brained
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feeling of just
not being on my game.
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I want to understand
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the fatigue and
how to address it.
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I'm not certain I can fix it,
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and fix it and make it go away,
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but if that can make it
go away, that's fabulous,
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that's-- that's the--
that's the cherry on top.
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That's the gift.
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But to understand
it so I can manage it.
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Welcome back friends, and in
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our studio--
Don, how are you sir?
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I'm doing well.
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Well I want to
get right into this
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interview because I
see a different guy...
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and I want you to
tell us about that.
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What's happened?
What has changed?
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Wow, where to begin! Ah...
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We were talking
earlier about just
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what was the best
part that I liked,
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and I couldn't
pick a best part because
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all the pieces
together create the process,
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the process creates
the time, the time creates
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the movement.
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You know you can say the time
with the doctors are the test,
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or reviewing the
blood-work, or the treadmill, or
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the time with the food,
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and the cooking
classes or the hiking.
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Ah...
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All of it
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kind of came together.
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I think one of
the questions I asked
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in the beginning
is why eighteen days?
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They said well two
weeks is too short,
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and three weeks is too long,
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and 18 days seems
to cause the change.
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- Right in the middle!
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I always kind of in my
background was watching that,
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and I support that. It's...
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the...
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there's not a lot of downtime,
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there's certainly a lot
of time to be with yourself.
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Now you said-- just before we
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went on the air here--
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you said you figured this out,
you got the right combination.
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What is it?
Tell... tell us so that
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someone watching
can benefit from this.
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Well for myself
with chronic fatigue,
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I think maybe a
little bit of story would
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be better before
just saying what it was.
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Sure. But I didn't
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exercise for many years.
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I have done many different kind
of careers-- they're stressful.
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Hmm...
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I kind of showed up in
life. I didn't plan my life,
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in terms of knowing
what college I wanted to do,
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and what
education I wanted to do.
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22 years ago, it was really
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important to me
to have a family,
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and to be a provider.
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I grew up in the
60s and 70s and had
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kind of a relaxed
attitude toward life, and
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there were some
things that I brought with
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me that were
stressful, so I wasn't ready to
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if you will, grow up and be the
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super adult and
all that good stuff.
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And...
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I'm drawing a blank right now,
so you'll have to edit this out!
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No this is the
real you. That's ok!
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The... the last 22 years
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was being really serious
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about being a
father-- providing.
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Trying to be everything
to everybody else but me.
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So exercise was last,
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my lifestyle was...
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well, I tried to be
good about it you know.
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But what tended
to be observed here
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and I had some MRIs
checked in the past,
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was evidence of reduced blood
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flow in the
frontal part of my brain.
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Isn't that interesting.
Now who is your doctor here?
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Dr. Lukins.
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- Dr. Lukins. - Right, and so
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in talking with him and
looking at the blood work
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and looking at my stress test,
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and just talking about
how much exercise I do.
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And even though I've been
cycling for the last three years
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the issues that I've been
struggling with-- I can at
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least take them back eight
years working with doctors,
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and 12 years in
my mind of wondering,
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what is really going on here.
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And so the fatigue to me feels
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in a way I'm kind of
understanding it right now,
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and it's subject to change
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because I'm learning now about
something quite specific for me.
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And it is a future
of exercising you know,
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five-six days a week,
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getting the cardio up,
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The whole plant food diet has
a lot of benefits to it because
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typically my
caffeines and my fats
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and my meats and
so forth all deal with
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constricting the
blood flow in the brain.
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And you know I used to be
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somewhat cynical
about all this sort of--
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have to exercise
this much, because
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back in my twenties and
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thirties I
felt-- much more able.
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And I've had different
kinds of tests done on my brain,
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and they say, You're a very
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gifted person,
you're very smart.
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But if you're
inside of me watching
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that sort of Mr. Magoo
kind of feeling you know,
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you wonder! Ah, so
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for me what I've observed is
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understanding, what
is the issue for me,
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and the improvement.
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I've had a couple of days while
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being here over
the last eighteen days
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where I felt very clear headed.
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And I've had some days
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where I didn't
feel very clear headed.
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And what was interesting
about one of my worst days was
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two days after I rode 40
miles-- 50 miles on a ride
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over in the San... in
the Santa Rosa mountains,
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and it was a
four thousand feet of
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climbing and a three
thousand foot mountain.
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- Wow - And it
was pretty strenuous.
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And so, you know I
pushed myself but I never have
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pushed myself until the
last three years of my life,
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so 55 years of my
life was a rather...
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sloppy sort of life, and
I'm now paying the price for it.
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So now it's about exercising
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reducing-- fixing my
blood, fixing the capillaries.
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So...
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can we share with the viewers
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how you're
fixing your capillaries?
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My understanding is--
Whole foods eaten whole.
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These rejuvenate and
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make your capillaries,
and arteries and such
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more elastic so
the blood can flow,
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they expand the arteries.
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Right, right. My
resting pulse was
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72 to 75 when I came here.
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It's now 58 to 60.
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- Wow. - My blood pressure was
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125 over 80, 125 over 75,
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and this morning it
was 108 over 50 I think?
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Ah...
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- That's remarkable!
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I've riden 140 miles
on my cycle, on my bike
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the weekend before
coming here and then
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the two weekends I
left and came back.
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So there's been
some strenuous exercise,
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but the people I ride with
are still much stronger than me,
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so I have a lot
of catching up to do!
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Well you're off to a
pretty good start I would think.
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It feels better, hmm...
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there is...
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you know it feels
better from that perspective.
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There's another aspect of
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being here too
though, and you know
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we all come here
with our baggage,
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we all come here with the
swamp that's been filled with--
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and needs to be drained.
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And... the
people, the doctors...
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something happens in a way where
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you're not asked to share
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but you tend to share,
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and it tends to heal.
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So that's good.
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I see that-- I see--
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I sense a little
emotion that's come--
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Nah!
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Maybe I sensed that
the last time we talked
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but it's comforting, it's
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actually a breath of fresh air
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to see this sincerity
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and this
healing process going on
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with all our
guests, particularly you.
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Well you guys
have a gold mine here,
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I hope you take advantage of it.
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There's hmm...
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there's a lot of
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companies out there
that are producing products,
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and marketing
messages and so forth.
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And you guys
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tend to cut
through a lot of that,
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and get right down
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to the fundamentals of
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here's what
dairy products can do,
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- Yes. - here's
what... they can do
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And here's what meat
can do, and here's what
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vegetables can do--
the statistics, the facts.
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The evidence is sufficient to
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make me realize
you know, lifestyle
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is something that you
need to stop and think about...
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This is not coming
here to fix a broken bone,
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or a broken back,
or a collapsed lung,
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which are things that I've had,
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you know this is coming
here and looking at lifestyle.
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And the word
lifestyle is actually I
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think a really
good choice of words...
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because it is...
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lifestyle, and it
deals with you know,
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your position with your
religion and your spirit
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and your emotions.
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And we all come
here with our baggage,
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and our suffering, and...
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knowing that that stuff has
all kind of contracted us...
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Hmm...
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They spend time
with people who have
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to deal with hope,
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or to deal with wanting courage,
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or to deal with
having inner strength,
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or getting over
their anger or their fear.
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And you start working
with people and realizing how
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much of us are unhealthy
because of our emotional life,
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and then you
start realizing if you
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just put a
decent diet in your body
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and have a good
lifestyle and wrap around it,
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it sure makes it a lot easier.
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Well Don, I want to
thank you for your testimony.
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And I really would like to thank
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you for joining us
here in the studio.
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- Thank you for
what you guys do.
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- May God bless you.
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And friends I'd like to
thank you for joining us,
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don't go away,
because in a moment
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we're going to be
talking with Dr. Lukins.
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Well, you've done very well.
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Do you have diabetes,
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heart disease,
high blood pressure,
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or do you weigh too much?
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Hi, my name is Dr. Ing,
and I'd like to tell you
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about our 18-day
NEWSTART lifestyle program.
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It includes a
comprehensive medical evaluation
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with laboratory studies
and an exercise stress test,
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physician consultations,
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culinary school,
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and an opportunity to
walk on beautiful trails
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in the foothills of the Sierras.
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Your health is one of the most
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important things
that you have. Don't wait.
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Give us a call at:
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Or visit our website:
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Welcome back
friends and as I promised
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Dr. Lukins.
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It's such a pleasure. -
Happy again, happy again
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You were away for a bit.
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Yes, we were in...
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- You did some
good missionary work!
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We did some missionary work,
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we actually went
to Enterprise Oregon,
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where we did a reversing
diabetes and obesity program.
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And... - Strong work.
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the Lord blessed.
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People were just so
grateful that we were there,
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and we had a good time,
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we got to be in
that high country,
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see a lot of snow...
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So what did you
find out about Don?
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Well that's it,
I want to ask you
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about Don--
here's a changed guy.
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When I first met Don
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he seemed...
well he was different
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but tell us from
your perspective,
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tell us, what's happened?
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He's-- all of a sudden
his blood pressure is dropped
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he's a different sort of
guy, he feels like he's got the
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combinations in the safe.
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Well here we go again!
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The dilation of those
tiny little blood vessels
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and the flow goes into
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the brain the heart the kidneys.
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I say that over and over
again because it's so important,
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and that is what will
change anyone who goes on
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to the whole plant foods
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diet from Eden onward.
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And that's-- it's worth
doing that no matter what it is.
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Now his is a very
interesting situation,
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because here's a guy
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that's in the corporate
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he's in IT,
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he's worked for Intel,
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he's worked for IBM,
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he's worked for
all these things.
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If they had a project,
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he was the whiz kid,
he'd say give me that project
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and then he'd go into it.
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And you know with all the
stressers and everything that
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can go into a job like that,
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and a lot of
people, they say, Well look,
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it's like I'm on a treadmill,
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I'm running
running running like a
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like a rat in a...
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just going on and on and on
without accomplishing anything,
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on one of those
little spinning wheels.
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That's part of it.
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The other part that
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he didn't get into a lot was
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there's a lot of
personal stress in his life,
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family issues
and things like that.
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And when you go through those,
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after a while
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these alien
thoughts, they just kind of
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keep creeping
back into your mind.
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They keep
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digging on you,
keep eating on you,
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and after a while, that changes
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everything about you
from your thoughts and your
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optimism can go into pessimism
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Your buoyancy, your
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get out there and let's do it
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and it gets slowed
down until you finally
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get to the place
where-- Can I do it any more?
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And that's... probably
what chronic fatigue is.
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And it could be a
different kind of a stresser,
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or it could be
someone going through surgery,
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it could be somebody
with a loss of a loved one,
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That's a big thing,
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it's a very big stress
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and stress is really the killer.
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Ok, I'm...
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You know I think our viewers
got a pretty good grip of that,
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but I want you to tell us
one more time if you will,
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what is it in these whole
foods? What is that substance
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that helps us get healthy?
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What is it?
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Well one of the
things is so very important
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is that when you eat
just the plant based foods,
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we get those
prostaglandins in there--
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- Prostaglandins,
there's that word!
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- Prostaglandins, and
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they improve our immune
system if they come from plants,
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they make our platelets
so they're not so sticky
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they make our...
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blood vessels so
that they dilate up.
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And he was
worried about foggy brain,
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and all these kind of things,
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and then the other thing
is they're anti-inflammatory.
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And so, you know you can say--
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he was discussing about--
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you and he were discussing
about the blood flow and stuff,
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but those big
arteries, they don't clear
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out that fast it's
out there at the end
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where they dilate
up, just a tiny bit,
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but the flow goes
into those organs,
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and the pressure behind them...
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and that's why his
blood pressure dropped.
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His cholesterol
dropped from over 200
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down to about 165.
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And where should it be?
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under 150?
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Yeah, ideally under 150
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but with this kind of
food and with this exercise,
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he's doing all the right things.
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He lost ten
pounds while he was here.
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All of those things
make him feel better,
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but this chronic
fatigue thing is what
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the people out there are...
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nobody really knows what it is,
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but we know, even
the psych journals
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and stuff like
that are telling us now,
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we know that what's happening
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is that a person is going
through some kind of stress.
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It's not like boom, you know
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you got the flu, it's
not that kind of thing.
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It's a slow smoldering,
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insidious,
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ongoing, grinding...
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type of thing.
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And after a while,
sometime you wake up
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one morning and you say,
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I'm finished, you know
where do I go from that?
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And then, this
is the hardest part,
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you start looking for
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the magic bullet.
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You start
looking, now what can I do?
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How do I cure this thing?
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What do I do? Is it nutritional
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supplements that I need?
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Is it-- am I
lacking a trace element?
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And it's none of those things.
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It's just that slowly,
slowly, almost imperceptibly
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you've gotten
yourself into this,
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there's been a big
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stresser in your life,
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and it's something.
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Chronic fatigue is
actually something that's there.
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Now the point is, is
that what we have to do
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is to get the people to focus
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away from that.
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So you-- he...
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He will go through some
times in the future where
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he'll think, well I'm
back to where I was before.
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Occasionally we
see somebody come in
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and whatever it
is, they catch it
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they just become optimistic,
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whatever, and they go for
it. I've seen this a few times,
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but most the time, it's like
you come in and you say well
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How bad off are you? On
a scale of one to ten where
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ten is, you feel
you can't do anything.
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And they say, Well,
I'm an eight or a nine.
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And then when
they leave they say,
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Well I'm a six or a seven.
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Well that's in the
right direction you see.
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So-- but this lady she
was down to like a three,
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and I saw her years
later and she was just happy.
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But that's not
what most people get.
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See that's what
everybody would like.
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Anyway now what he has to do
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is he has to keep
doing these things.
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He needs to get into a situation
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where he gets up every day,
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he goes to work,
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maybe he doesn't take on the
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big project, and
the mega company,
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but he does something, and he
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keeps going until
he gets back into it.
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Now he may have
not have said this
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but he has a real
strong background history
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of atherosclerosis,
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plugged up arteries,
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you know, Alzheimer's disease
and all these kind of things.
00:19:04.24\00:19:07.63
So going in the
right direction and
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Alzheimer's disease
as we've said before
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is probably primarily vascular.
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Ok. But now that he's
getting these prostaglandins
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and the
capillaries and the arteries--
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- From the plant based...
- From the plant based foods
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all this will slowly
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increase that frontal lobe that
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I understand--
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- All of his circulation.
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Yes, and that's important.
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Well it's vital,
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if you don't
have good circulation,
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you can't have good health.
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Then you're
done. - Oh yeah, yeah.
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- And that's what
creates heart attacks.
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Yeah. - And you
said the inflammation-
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- And it happens so quickly.
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Because we have
people come in and
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walking around
the half mile loop,
00:19:48.66\00:19:50.48
that they get anginal
pain, and the second week
00:19:51.18\00:19:53.72
it's almost gone when
they go slowly around.
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They can tell the
absolute difference,
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it's not psychological.
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Dr. Ornish showed
that in his PET scans.
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Now I've asked you
before, and I'd like
00:20:05.87\00:20:08.00
to ask you again if
you don't mind Doctor,
00:20:08.01\00:20:10.12
what is it that the viewers can
00:20:10.51\00:20:13.06
do at their
home right now today,
00:20:13.07\00:20:15.57
what can they start doing today,
00:20:16.00\00:20:17.66
that will help them get better?
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The most important
thing that you can do
00:20:20.81\00:20:23.60
is to start exercising.
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The exercise is the most
00:20:27.51\00:20:29.21
important thing to
start that circulation,
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it'll help every part of your
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blood flow, every
part of your body.
00:20:34.78\00:20:37.33
But it needs to be helped...
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by having those foods that are
going to dilate those arteries.
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We get prostaglandins from the
00:20:44.72\00:20:46.51
meat, milk, eggs and fish,
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but they're the ones that
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constrict them
instead of dilating them up.
00:20:49.76\00:20:51.87
So it's
important to the exercise
00:20:52.78\00:20:55.00
or to get the exercise...
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That's so important
because you feel better,
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you feel like you
can do something again.
00:20:58.85\00:21:00.45
And then the plant based diet.
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Yes, and lifestyle
I'd rather say than diet
00:21:03.21\00:21:06.24
because I don't
like the word diet.
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Who's the healer?
God is the healer,
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God is the healer.
00:21:10.34\00:21:11.36
and if we have
no trust in Him and
00:21:11.37\00:21:13.00
you know then we can't have
00:21:13.48\00:21:14.63
that peace and
with the peace then
00:21:14.64\00:21:16.09
we can start
the healing process.
00:21:16.54\00:21:18.66
Amen. - He's the great healer.
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Yes.
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Doctor I want to thank you
for coming on the set with us.
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- My pleasure. - It's
always good to see you.
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And thank you
for joining us, but
00:21:26.54\00:21:27.75
don't go away because we
have an important tip for you
00:21:27.87\00:21:30.84
right after this.
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Welcome to NEWSTART AT HOME.
00:21:46.09\00:21:47.57
I'm Dr. David
DeRose, your host today,
00:21:47.75\00:21:50.18
and with me is Jerry Florez.
00:21:50.48\00:21:52.48
Jerry is a
massage therapist here at
00:21:52.78\00:21:54.66
Weimar Center of
Health and Education.
00:21:54.67\00:21:56.60
Jerry it's great to
have you here today.
00:21:56.66\00:21:58.24
Thank you Doctor DeRose.
00:21:58.39\00:21:59.60
Jerry I know you've really put
00:21:59.72\00:22:01.39
your heart and
your life efforts into
00:22:01.40\00:22:03.36
helping people with pain.
00:22:03.63\00:22:05.48
And I think as we
speak today about pain
00:22:06.03\00:22:07.81
a lot of people--
they hear that word,
00:22:07.84\00:22:09.81
and they say, Pain--bad stuff.
00:22:09.82\00:22:11.39
Is that the kind of connection
we should make in our minds?
00:22:11.72\00:22:14.03
Ah well most people
think pain as an enemy.
00:22:14.15\00:22:17.45
But we got to ask
ourselves that question, is it a
00:22:18.00\00:22:20.78
friend or is it a foe?
00:22:21.12\00:22:22.63
Sometimes people
over-exaggerate pain,
00:22:23.18\00:22:26.12
and sometimes
people undermine it.
00:22:26.42\00:22:28.15
So it's important to know,
00:22:28.36\00:22:30.24
when to get professional help,
00:22:30.48\00:22:32.18
when to seek out
someone to help you interprete
00:22:32.27\00:22:35.06
what's going on
inside of your body.
00:22:35.30\00:22:36.87
Well let's just
look at an extreme case.
00:22:37.27\00:22:39.57
Jerry I know you've...
00:22:39.63\00:22:40.81
studied a lot about
the subject of pain.
00:22:41.06\00:22:43.15
You've helped hundreds of people
00:22:43.21\00:22:44.84
over the years,
probably thousands,
00:22:44.85\00:22:46.69
I don't know if
anyone is keeping track
00:22:47.12\00:22:48.45
track of the numbers, but
00:22:48.72\00:22:50.12
you've helped a lot of
people with chronic pain.
00:22:50.39\00:22:52.36
But there's a lot in the medical
00:22:52.81\00:22:54.45
research
literature suggesting that
00:22:54.46\00:22:56.15
pain may actually be
something that could help us.
00:22:56.36\00:22:59.18
Can you give us
some insight into that?
00:22:59.24\00:23:00.66
Sure.
00:23:00.75\00:23:01.78
Pain is usually interpreted
00:23:01.79\00:23:04.63
as an alarm system
00:23:05.18\00:23:06.63
in our nervous system, and
00:23:06.72\00:23:08.84
just to
00:23:09.03\00:23:10.06
point it out simply,
00:23:10.30\00:23:11.66
at first pain whispers to you.
00:23:11.87\00:23:14.06
Ok. - Then when you
00:23:14.39\00:23:15.63
don't pay attention to it
00:23:15.64\00:23:17.18
it starts talking to you,
00:23:17.51\00:23:18.78
as we are conversing right now.
00:23:19.03\00:23:20.60
And when you
don't listen to that,
00:23:21.15\00:23:23.00
it finally screams at you.
00:23:23.36\00:23:25.69
And that's when most people
00:23:26.00\00:23:27.81
pay attention,
they go see a doctor,
00:23:28.36\00:23:30.42
a therapist, and then
go out and get some help.
00:23:30.43\00:23:33.09
The important thing is to know
00:23:33.42\00:23:35.48
a little about your own body,
00:23:35.78\00:23:37.69
and what that
pain is saying to you.
00:23:38.03\00:23:40.78
So pain early on can be
something that can help us
00:23:41.21\00:23:43.72
become aware of a problem
that we can then address?
00:23:43.73\00:23:46.33
- Yes.
00:23:46.51\00:23:47.51
Now there are cases in the
medical research literature
00:23:47.60\00:23:51.06
where people have not
been able to feel pain.
00:23:51.27\00:23:53.84
A lot of individuals
hear about this they say, Wow
00:23:54.12\00:23:56.78
I got so much pain I wish I
00:23:57.15\00:23:58.66
couldn't feel pain.
Is that a good thing?
00:23:58.67\00:24:01.03
Yes it is, as a
matter of fact one
00:24:01.42\00:24:03.36
of my favorite
books, The Gift of Pain
00:24:03.37\00:24:05.45
by Dr. Paul Brand,
00:24:05.69\00:24:07.12
who spent 50 years
in the United States,
00:24:07.36\00:24:10.39
in London, and in India
00:24:10.72\00:24:14.54
at leprosy sanitariums.
00:24:14.78\00:24:17.21
And he found
out that when lepers
00:24:18.00\00:24:20.72
didn't feel pain
that they constantly
00:24:20.84\00:24:23.27
injured-- re-injured
themselves, and they ended up
00:24:23.28\00:24:26.39
damaging tissue. For
example they would grab
00:24:26.63\00:24:29.45
grab a hot handle,
00:24:29.69\00:24:31.15
and they would burn themselves
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over and over and
then get infection
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until eventually their
hand had to be amputated.
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- Wow.
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So pain, instead of being
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something we
should run away from,
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we should ignore,
we should medicate,
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It's really something,
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we should say,
What am I doing wrong,
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or What's happening in my
life that I need to address.
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- Exactly.
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So what are some
practical lessons for
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one of-- any of our
viewers if they say,
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Listen, I've got this back pain,
arm pain, wherever the pain is,
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are there some general
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principles as to
what someone should do?
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- Yes.
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As a matter of fact
as soon as you start
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feeling a little bit of
pain, let's say in your neck,
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there's something
that's going on there.
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Bad posture, sleeping wrong,
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muscles tighten up,
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the reduced oxygen flow
to that area and water flow
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causes what's
called ischemic tissue.
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And it's basically the
water and oxygen supply is being
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cut off, so nutrients, oxygen,
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and water can't
get there, therefore
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the pain gets more
intense until eventually
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it could lead to
a full blown muscle
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spasm where the
pain is excruciating,
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and you can't
even move your neck.
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Wow, so what's happening is
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because of this
spasm, this tightening,
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we're not getting adequate
circulation to the muscle
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and things just get
progressively worse.
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Exactly.
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How can someone relieve that?
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Ah, in future sections
we'll be talking about that,
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but I do want to
point out something.
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Please. - You know,
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pain is very interesting.
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For example, in your eye
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your eye is one thousand more --
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times more sensitive
than the sole of your feet.
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So, when something
is thrown at your eye,
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in your subconscious
eye and your nerve system,
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your body automatically
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throws in a reflex and you shut
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it without even
thinking about it.
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But if you grab a handle,
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and it...
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burns you, it
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just feels
horrible and you remove it.
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That's because the
skin is more sensitive.
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Wow. We got a lot of
great information about pain,
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and how you can get help.
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Jerry's going to be with
us in some future segments.
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If before then you
want more information
00:26:36.72\00:26:39.15
just simply go to:
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Modern views of
evolution stem all the way back
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to theories
developed in the mid-1800s.
00:26:53.78\00:26:56.27
Out of the same time
period came ideas that shape
00:26:56.84\00:27:00.24
our educational system today.
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The Common School
Movement, for example,
00:27:03.06\00:27:05.33
saw schools more like a factory,
00:27:05.69\00:27:07.60
with students blindly
memorizing instruction
00:27:07.61\00:27:10.36
rather than
thinking for themselves.
00:27:10.39\00:27:12.36
Their curriculum was
rigid and theoretical.
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Instead of being
flexible and practical,
00:27:15.37\00:27:18.21
it was designed to
conform the individual
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into a specific ideological mold
00:27:20.84\00:27:23.39
that fit the needs
of an old industrial era
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long since passed.
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Just like our view of
creation in six literal days,
00:27:28.84\00:27:32.18
we believe the Bible contains
an educational blueprint
00:27:32.27\00:27:36.27
radically different
from the one we see now.
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Well friends
that's it for today.
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Pick up that
phone and give us a call
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God bless you.
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