Hi folks, and welcome to
another edition of NEWSTART Now.
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We have an unusual
guest with us today,
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Rod Kerbs, who's come to us from
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Fresno, California.
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And I'd like to show you a
clip when he first arrived.
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After two or three
years of high stress
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in my job as an administrator,
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principal and
vice-principal and teacher,
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in combination with
10 years of diabetes
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and a real big issue
dealing with sleep apnea,
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I found myself taking
drugs at high capacities.
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Opiates, like...
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things like
oxycontin and lyrica,
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and different kinds of
drugs used for anti-depression.
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I found myself so sick that
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I had to take
myself off the job.
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And since June
of this last year,
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I've been almost on my back.
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Enough energy to
get up to eat something,
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chew a little while,
and then fall down asleep,
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and just barely making it
from hour to hour, day to day.
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I've got two
little girls and a wife,
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but I can't be very
helpful with that, either.
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The biggest thing I want to gain
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is to be able
to be healthy again
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so I can enjoy my little girls.
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and to live long enough so that
I can walk them down the aisle
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and see my grandkids.
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That's what I'm
looking for -- a new life.
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Welcome back friends,
and in our studio, Rod.
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How are you, sir? - Great.
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Good to see you. - You bet.
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Well, during
that first interview,
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I saw a different guy.
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Maybe someone a
little more kicked-back,
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you know, with
that hat and the scarf.
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You looked like
this dashing young man.
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Tell us what's happened.
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How are the medications going?
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Well, it's ben a
really interesting process,
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going from literally
12-13 different kinds of drugs
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down to the point where
I have just a little bit of
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medication to keep the pain off
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as my feet are
continuing to heal.
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I went from 100 units plus
of insulin down to zero now.
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So, no insulin.
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- No insulin. None, whatsoever.
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I had no feeling in
my feet, in my legs.
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Much of my leg and both
feet were completely numb.
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and very painful,
quite honestly, in spots.
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And so that's
developed significantly.
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I've gone from
maybe, barely able to get up
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to walking 6 and 8 miles a day.
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- Oh my goodness, that's great!
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- Congratulations.
Yeah, it's pretty impressive.
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- So you think you've
got this thing whipped?
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I know you talked about opiates,
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and I had a younger
brother who had been on heroin
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for most his life,
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and we've seen him get off
heroin on several occasions,
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only to go back to it.
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Tell us why your
situation is different.
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Well, I think part of it
is the kinds of materials
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that I was using
for pain medication.
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although they're
similar, prescription.
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And although you can get
really stuck with that stuff,
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I had only taken
the really heaviest
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for only about 6 to 8 months.
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And even with that,
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I had to go through withdrawals.
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The last 2 or 3 weeks,
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I can tell you I went
through a lot of pain and agony
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to get off of those rascals.
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I'm not interested
in doing that again!
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I saw you here and there,
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and I noticed that you
were kinda...working with it.
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- Yes.
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And I didn't want to
play down the diabetes.
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Let's get back to
that just for a moment.
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Are you saying to us now that
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your diabetes is
totally in check,
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that you no longer are diabetic?
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No, I think I'll be
a diabetic all my life.
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The key here is
that I'm controlling it
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with exercise, fresh
air, water, and a vegan diet
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that has
literally saved my life.
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So your blood sugar numbers,
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where are they
in the mornings now?
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Well, let me get
some background to this,
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because it makes
a lot more sense.
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A1Cs, two years
ago-- 14, and higher.
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- Wow.
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Now the standard for A1C now...
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...is what, 6.5? - About 6.5-7.
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- And where are you today?
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Well, before I came,
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my endocrinologist
helped me quite a bit
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with insulin, and with
lots and lots of pills,
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and we had gotten it
down to the point where
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oh, 9.5-10, maybe.
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- With the pills.
With insulin, with pills.
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Oh, with insulin and
pills. - With everything.
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So I was in pretty rough shape.
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And since I've come here,
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within the first
two or three days,
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we went from 100 units
of insulin to 50, per day.
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And within a week, I was down
to literally taking no insulin.
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Although my blood sugars
have been up around 190, 180,
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that's two hours
after eating a meal.
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So it's not totally crazy,
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but a little higher than
what I care to have them.
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But they're now down
sitting around 160, 150.
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And occasionally, I have
the joy of seeing 110 and 120.
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But in the
first few days though,
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I had a few really rough calls.
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Thank goodness for good
doctors and nurses here.
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I had some low blood
sugars as low as 38-41.
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And I will tell you,
the drug withdrawal--
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nothing, compared to that.
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That wasn't fun. But,
it's under control now,
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and I just feel like I
have a new lease on life.
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Okay, so you've
got this under control.
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I, too, am what you
might call diabetic.
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But when I lowered my blood
sugar numbers to 80s and 90s,
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the doctor said, "Well,
for all intents and purposes,
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you're no longer diabetic."
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I said, "I'll buy that."
So I'm no longer diabetic,
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although susceptible, perhaps,
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being if I don't watch
the lifestyle I'm leading.
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What about now, getting
back to the pain medications...
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Before that, were
there any other medications
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that you were taking?
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Well, it's hard to even
start this thing, because
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between sleep
apnea and dealing with
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pain in my legs and feet
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and dealing with
depression, heavy depression,
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between the pain
and stress at work
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and not getting enough
sleep with sleep apnea,
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I was doing...
What did they say?
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40 to 50 times
every hour at night
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my sleep was interrupted
with my airways stopping.
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Like, my breath would
stop. I would stop breathing.
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40 to 50 times an hour.
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And according to
the study that we did
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just a matter of weeks ago,
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I was not ever getting any
level 3 and level 4 REM sleep,
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which simply means, I
was not getting sleep.
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I was actually semi-conscious
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in level 1 and level 2.
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I thought I
actually maybe slept some,
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and maybe even dreamt some.
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But I figured it out, and
the doctors figured it out,
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I wasn't doing any of
that. I wasn't sleeping.
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So I was so
exhausted to the point that
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I couldn't even sleep!
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I was afraid to
go to sleep at night.
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So then I started taking Xanax.
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I started taking
other medications
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to go with that, to go to sleep.
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So I'd go to sleep with
Xanax and whatever necessary,
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and in the morning, out
came the coffee and the Coke
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so I could wake up and
get to school, and function.
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And that really wore
my body to a frazzle.
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There just wasn't much left.
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And so, where do
you go from here?
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Is this a
lifestyle that you've chosen,
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that you're going to
stick with for the duration?
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My family has agreed that
this is the way we're going,
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and I'm the main
cook at home, so....
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And my wife of course
does a lot of help too,
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and cooks some, as well.
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In fact, she's now
become a cooking partner
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with vegan stuff, so
this is all new to us.
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We're
vegetarians to the most part,
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but never vegan to this point.
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We had plenty of oil
going in all our food,
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and plenty of
sugar on the other side.
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And so this is a
totally different lifestyle.
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My kids are excited
about trying the new
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tastes and look of food,
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and my wife is
excited about seeing me well
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and being able to
be helpful in the home.
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And I enjoy
wrestling with my kids now,
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which for a long
time I couldn't do.
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Rod, we have
about a minute left.
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Can you tell our
viewers in the next 30 seconds
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pretty much what they
could do or what they might do
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if they have a
similar situation as yours?
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Well, to me, the only
thing to do is to get help
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that can bring you to
the point of becoming well,
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following God's prescripts.
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He's got a recipe for us.
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And the problem is,
we've tainted that recipe
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with a little
bit too much sugar,
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a little too much oil.
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We've forgotten
what it is to exercise.
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We've forgot what it is to
have manual labor and work.
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We don't know what fresh air is.
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We don't know how
to get good sleep.
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And place here like
Weimar is the best place to come
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to see your life changed.
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- Rod, we're
running out of time.
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I want to thank you
for joining us on the set.
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Friends, don't go away, because
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in a moment we'll
have Doctor Lukens with us.
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Well, you've done very well.
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Do you have diabetes,
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heart disease,
high blood pressure,
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or do you weigh too much?
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Welcome back friends, and
in our studio, Doctor Lukens.
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How are you? - Very
good to be back here.
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Good to see you. - Yes.
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It's always good to talk
about these wonderful stories
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like we have right now
with Rod Kerbs, who's...
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This was his second tour
of duty here at NEWSTART!
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One after another, two
months in a row, right?
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Well you know, the
reason why he came is because
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of so much pain in his feet.
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And he was on just really
way, way too much oxycontin,
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and that's got a lot of
street value, and it's...
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But why did he
have so much pain?
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He looked like
a pretty lean guy.
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Why...what was the pain from?
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Well, when a person
has diabetes, they get...
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The micro-
circulation in their body
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starts getting compromised.
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And so when you have tissues
that are not well-oxygenated,
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they start getting sick,
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and when they do that then
they start getting painful.
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That's why
people lose their toes,
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and they lose
their feet, and so-forth.
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because that
circulation is so compromised.
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But he was having
enough pain so that
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he was on all this oxycontin.
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And nowadays, what they do,
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because they don't
really know of anything for it,
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they will just give
you more and more and more.
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We see people that are on
methadone, synthetic heroin,
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and all these kind of
things, and it just...
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After a while you
realize, you know,
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"I don't feel
like myself anymore."
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And so that's the
reason why he came.
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He wanted to get
off of these things.
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And what happens when you--
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and I say this all the time--
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when you eat
these plant-based foods,
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you get a substance
called a prostaglandin.
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And that dilates those
tiny little blood vessels.
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The flow goes in there,
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and these cells
that are oxygen-starved,
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the sheath on the
nerves, the myelin sheath,
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those start
getting healthy again.
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We've done
studies with this before.
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so I kinda knew what we
could expect in a lot of cases.
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And he started getting better,
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and he was really
interested in that.
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Of course, that's why he came.
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He was happy about it.
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But he was still on quite a bit.
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He was also on
something that's another one,
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gabapentin, it's
quite a complex medication.
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It works on
various different levels.
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But he was on
the newer form of it,
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and he wanted to
get off of those.
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And to show you what kind
of a medication he was on,
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he has to keep
track of all the tablets,
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he has to call the
pharmacy when it's time,
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when it's almost time
to get the next batch,
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he has to go in
personally, and...
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So they really try to
control this substance.
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So there's certain
restrictions because it's
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like a morphine or
that type of medication.
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Well back East, the
pharmacies will put up a sign
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"No oxycontin sold here,"
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because people were
going in and holding them up.
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And they were shooting it in
the veins and stuff like that.
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So anyway, besides that,
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it was really a wonderful thing
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for him to be able to get
off of some of this medication.
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So he went back...
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Some of the pain was
gone, so he went back,
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and we lowered his dose,
and he wanted to lower it again.
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And so that's why he
came the second time around.
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You say he got off of
some of the medication.
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So he was still
on medication when
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he left here
just a few days ago.
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Yep, he had some, but he
had reduced it more than half.
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He was really
excited about that.
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And then just the other day,
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he wanted another
prescription to be called in
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so that he could
reduce it even more.
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So then the next batch
will be a smaller amount.
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And you see, he has a
couple of young daughters,
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and his wife,
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and he's a very
musical, very talented person.
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He's done a lot
with kids and everything.
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And here he is, 53 years of age,
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and they offered him
retirement because they just...
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Conventional
medical science tells us
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you really can't
get over these things.
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Once you've got them,
you just keep deteriorating.
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And he was getting over them,
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and that's a
wonderful, wonderful thing.
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You can imagine, at
53 years of age, to be
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on disability until
you go into retirement,
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and here you have
your daughters saying,
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"Daddy's always home,
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and he can't do
anything and he's got pain."
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So it was just a really trying
case for the whole family.
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Okay. Here's the magic question.
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And I know I've asked
you this a lot of times.
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How is this program
going to change all that?
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I mean, you're telling
me the guy basically...
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And he has said to me, "Look,
I'm strung out on these drugs.
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I don't know what to do."
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But you're saying here
on our NEWSTART program
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that we can wean him
off these medications,
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bring him back to a
healthy and whole life.
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How is this possible? Is it...?
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- What's going on, Doc?
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Well not only
that. We were able to
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get him off of his insulin.
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So he kept cutting back on that,
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and what happened is
he was losing weight,
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as we expected him to do.
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He was really doing
well on his exercise,
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and exercise also
helps you to bear pain.
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The more exercise you
get the better you feel.
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All those endorphins
and stuff are moving around,
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and so that was
helping him, too.
00:17:06.57\00:17:08.48
So as he lost weight,
00:17:08.63\00:17:10.24
the cells were willing
to accept more of the sugar
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as he lost weight and got
off of more of the insulin.
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The...
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So is he totally off insulin?
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Yep, and his
numbers were coming down
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practically into
the normal range.
00:17:26.15\00:17:28.18
And the latest thing now
is that they find that if we
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shove these numbers down
00:17:31.58\00:17:33.27
and we keep getting
them lower and lower,
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that we have
more cardiac deaths.
00:17:35.36\00:17:37.24
And this is kind of a...
00:17:37.33\00:17:38.36
I just got last month
in my Family Practice News,
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I got the numbers, and
they keep moving it up.
00:17:42.24\00:17:46.66
So they allow your
hemoglobin A1Cs to be
00:17:46.75\00:17:50.57
higher and higher
now as they see that
00:17:50.60\00:17:53.27
the more of the
medications that you take
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the more likely you
are to get a heart attack.
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In fact, 1 out of
5, they stopped once...
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One study that they were doing,
they were checking cholesterol,
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they were checking
the blood pressure,
00:18:05.22\00:18:08.69
and they were checking
the sugar levels, the A1Cs.
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And they gave up on
the sugar levels because
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when they drove them down
with the extra medications,
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they found out that 1 out
of 5 was getting a heart attack
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or having a
coronary event, so....
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It's really something.
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Why I'm so excited about
this case is because he's young,
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he has a young family,
00:18:31.24\00:18:33.69
and now probably
he'll be going back to work,
00:18:34.03\00:18:37.36
and he's
looking forward to that.
00:18:37.45\00:18:39.33
It's just like his
life was given back again,
00:18:39.63\00:18:43.75
and you know,
the Lord is so good.
00:18:43.78\00:18:45.45
We do these simple things,
00:18:45.69\00:18:47.27
and people say, "Well, how
can just a plant-based diet...
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You go out and you
exercise and all that stuff.
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How can this stuff work so that
00:18:54.36\00:18:56.21
these people get
their life back?"
00:18:56.36\00:18:58.36
And I say, "Praise the Lord.
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He's the Healer."
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Let's do this.
Let's review once again
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for our viewers what the
acronym NEWSTART represents.
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We know that N is for nutrition.
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And that's the whole
plant foods eaten whole.
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No extra oil,
which just adds more fat
00:19:15.03\00:19:18.78
and more
calories to the diabetic.
00:19:19.03\00:19:21.09
But they can have fat
in the form of whole food.
00:19:21.10\00:19:22.78
In the form of
avocados and olives and nuts.
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We find that nuts
are very heart-healthy.
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It's recommended
that a person takes
00:19:28.30\00:19:31.27
either very lightly
toasted or raw nuts.
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They can have a
half a cup a day.
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And E is for exercise,
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and what we mean by
exercise is just walking, right?
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At any pace.
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It's been shown that if you
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just walk in a lot
of different increments
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and you're going along,
even at a snail's pace...
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Dr. Jeremiah Stamler
said, "The distance is important
00:19:51.78\00:19:55.39
even if you have to crawl."
00:19:55.57\00:19:57.24
- Yes. çlaughterÑ
00:19:57.33\00:19:59.12
Not many can crawl fast.
00:19:59.36\00:20:01.06
And the W is for water.
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Make sure you're
drinking enough water.
00:20:03.15\00:20:04.75
And when I came
through the program I was told,
00:20:05.15\00:20:07.72
and I don't know if
this is still the same, but
00:20:07.73\00:20:09.72
for every 15 pounds,
drink 8 ounces of water.
00:20:09.78\00:20:13.48
Is that pretty standard?
00:20:13.51\00:20:14.81
Yeah -- 25 extra
pounds, another 8-ounce glass.
00:20:14.82\00:20:18.87
It helps you so that
you feel more, you know,
00:20:19.00\00:20:22.69
have a better
sense of well-being.
00:20:23.09\00:20:25.03
And sometimes people eat
when they actually are thirsty,
00:20:25.04\00:20:29.54
and they think
that it's a hunger pain.
00:20:29.69\00:20:31.54
And S -- sunshine.
00:20:31.66\00:20:33.78
We should get what? An
hour of sunshine a day?
00:20:33.87\00:20:37.36
Well, less than that, but
00:20:37.60\00:20:40.21
you know, in fact right now
00:20:40.30\00:20:42.45
I'm going to be talking
about sunlight and cancer,
00:20:42.51\00:20:45.54
and probably it's not as closely
tied to the sunlight as it is to
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Okay, we're running out of
time here, so I want to finish.
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And T for temperance,
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- Air. Okay, A for air,
00:20:58.54\00:21:01.03
- Rest. And then R for rest,
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And T, my favorite, is
trust in the divine power.
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And that's it, right? - Mhmm.
00:21:08.63\00:21:10.81
And if people do those things
they're going to get healthy.
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That's wonderful. - Yes.
00:21:13.15\00:21:15.00
Dr. Lukens, I want to thank you
for joining us in the studio.
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- It's my pleasure.
It's always a pleasure.
00:21:18.69\00:21:20.84
It's always a
pleasure. - Thank you very much.
00:21:21.12\00:21:22.60
And friends, thank
you for joining us.
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Don't go away.
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We have an
important message for you
00:21:27.21\00:21:29.24
right after this break.
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Hello, and welcome
to NEWSTART at Home.
00:21:44.78\00:21:46.33
I'm your host, Don Mackintosh.
00:21:46.39\00:21:47.63
We're glad you're
with us today, and
00:21:47.64\00:21:49.18
I'm glad that Rich Kollumberg
is in the studio with us.
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Welcome, Rich. - Hi Don.
00:21:51.27\00:21:52.84
Now you're here... What
are you here to talk about?
00:21:53.03\00:21:55.09
I'm here to talk
about addictions.
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And you have some experience.
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I have a little
experience. I was an addict
00:21:58.69\00:22:02.24
for about 25 years of my life.
00:22:02.25\00:22:04.30
I used and abused
just about every kind of
00:22:04.33\00:22:06.60
drug or
substance that there was.
00:22:06.66\00:22:08.33
Okay. Well, you know,
00:22:08.51\00:22:10.33
all things work
together for good,
00:22:10.42\00:22:11.75
in other words,
the Lord can use that.
00:22:11.76\00:22:12.87
I'm glad you're willing
to come and talk about it.
00:22:12.88\00:22:14.72
And I'm glad you're still alive,
00:22:14.78\00:22:16.18
because a lot of people
that get into addictions,
00:22:16.19\00:22:18.18
you know, they don't make it.
00:22:18.27\00:22:19.45
So I'm glad you're here.
00:22:19.57\00:22:20.75
What is an addiction?
00:22:20.81\00:22:22.48
And addiction is a
habit that controls you.
00:22:22.51\00:22:26.81
That you don't
control, but it controls you.
00:22:27.18\00:22:29.45
Now when we were
talking, you said
00:22:29.54\00:22:31.33
there's two
different types of addictions.
00:22:31.34\00:22:33.15
Yeah, there's
two different types.
00:22:33.39\00:22:34.63
There's substance
addiction, which would be
00:22:34.64\00:22:37.18
drugs, alcohol,
coffee, cigarettes.
00:22:37.30\00:22:41.54
And then there's
behavioral addictions.
00:22:41.57\00:22:43.30
And behavioral
addictions would fall...
00:22:43.45\00:22:45.21
You would have jealousy,
anger, sexual addictions,
00:22:45.24\00:22:49.03
gambling, and whatnot.
00:22:49.06\00:22:51.12
Critical-type spirit,
gossiping, all those...
00:22:51.36\00:22:54.21
Yes, all those type of things
are behavioral addictions.
00:22:54.24\00:22:56.81
So behavioral addictions
and substance addictions,
00:22:56.87\00:23:00.84
and you struggled
with both of those.
00:23:00.85\00:23:02.33
Very much so.
00:23:02.42\00:23:03.72
- The probably go
together. They go hand in hand.
00:23:03.75\00:23:05.66
And so, how does that happen?
00:23:06.00\00:23:07.57
A habit to me, as I would
think, sounds like a good thing.
00:23:07.66\00:23:10.78
Yeah, habits are our friends,
00:23:11.21\00:23:12.78
but when they turn bad
they become addictions.
00:23:12.79\00:23:15.33
What we end up doing is
00:23:15.54\00:23:17.51
we end up following
and wanting pleasure
00:23:17.52\00:23:20.27
more than thinking long-term.
00:23:20.36\00:23:22.12
And when we
desire that pleasure,
00:23:22.15\00:23:24.00
that can turn into an addiction,
00:23:24.15\00:23:26.78
and we don't
think long-term anymore,
00:23:26.79\00:23:29.51
and we end up giving
ourselves over to that pleasure,
00:23:29.57\00:23:33.00
whatever it may be.
00:23:33.12\00:23:34.12
Whatever satisfaction
we get out of gossip,
00:23:34.13\00:23:36.48
whatever satisfaction
we get out of a drug,
00:23:36.54\00:23:39.06
or whatever, we give
ourselves over to that.
00:23:39.12\00:23:41.15
In fact, the Bible
speaks of that exact same phrase
00:23:41.16\00:23:44.48
when it talks
about the behavioral
00:23:44.49\00:23:46.30
addictions of
Sodom and Gomorrah.
00:23:46.31\00:23:48.09
In Jude 1:7 it says,
00:23:48.10\00:23:49.69
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha,
00:23:49.70\00:23:51.48
and the cities
about them in like manner,
00:23:51.49\00:23:53.54
giving themselves
over to fornication,
00:23:53.69\00:23:56.81
and going after strange flesh,
00:23:56.82\00:23:58.45
are set forth as an example,
00:23:58.51\00:24:01.00
suffering the
vengeance of eternal fire."
00:24:01.01\00:24:02.81
So we can see the
Bible actually talks about
00:24:02.82\00:24:05.18
how they, in Sodom and Gomorrah,
00:24:05.30\00:24:07.24
gave themselves over
to this bad behavior.
00:24:07.25\00:24:09.63
Is it a one-way street,
00:24:09.78\00:24:11.09
so you give
yourself over, that's it?
00:24:11.10\00:24:13.00
That's not it,
praise the Lord for that.
00:24:13.15\00:24:16.03
I can remember back...
00:24:16.21\00:24:18.15
I think I'd used about
everybody up on the planet.
00:24:18.16\00:24:20.63
I was all alone.
00:24:20.66\00:24:22.00
It was back in
1996, and I was all done.
00:24:22.01\00:24:26.06
And my girlfriend
wouldn't even see me anymore.
00:24:26.09\00:24:29.12
And I can remember
lying face down on my bed,
00:24:29.13\00:24:32.48
crying out to
God, "God help me."
00:24:32.49\00:24:34.48
And He said, you know,
00:24:34.49\00:24:35.48
"Forty-one years,
your way hasn't worked."
00:24:35.49\00:24:38.09
And so He said, "It's
time to try it my way."
00:24:38.18\00:24:41.09
And so I cried out to Him,
00:24:41.24\00:24:44.60
and He said that
this is going to work.
00:24:44.61\00:24:47.51
And I didn't know
how it was going to work.
00:24:47.52\00:24:49.06
So it was like a
3-word prayer, huh?
00:24:49.09\00:24:50.75
Yeah -- "God help me."
00:24:50.76\00:24:52.09
For three months I
prayed that 3-word prayer,
00:24:52.12\00:24:54.42
"God help me," and
He answered that prayer.
00:24:54.48\00:24:56.87
So that was really your way of
00:24:57.15\00:24:58.42
giving yourself
over to something else.
00:24:58.43\00:25:01.06
Exactly. We
can't muster up enough
00:25:01.12\00:25:03.18
ego motivation to make it work.
00:25:03.27\00:25:05.87
We have to give ourselves over
to something or someone else.
00:25:06.00\00:25:09.24
You know, I like your little
book that you've written here,
00:25:09.54\00:25:11.60
"Clean 7 Steps to Freedom:
What Every Addict Needs."
00:25:11.66\00:25:16.21
It's got a
picture there of that,
00:25:16.30\00:25:18.00
you know, the ladder going up.
00:25:18.01\00:25:19.42
Out of the way you are you
gave yourself over to something,
00:25:19.45\00:25:22.12
kinda like the prodigal son.
00:25:22.30\00:25:24.00
"This is what I want.
I want my inheritance,
00:25:24.09\00:25:27.21
I want this, I want that."
00:25:27.22\00:25:28.84
And then he changed.
00:25:28.85\00:25:30.60
He says, "Make me
one of your servants."
00:25:30.66\00:25:32.15
You kinda had that moment.
00:25:32.16\00:25:33.39
That's right, that's right.
00:25:33.40\00:25:35.48
And it worked out,
God put it in my heart
00:25:35.49\00:25:38.39
that I was going
to turn 180 degrees,
00:25:38.48\00:25:40.42
and I didn't know. That
was my nickname for a while.
00:25:40.45\00:25:42.54
My family called
me 180 for a while,
00:25:42.66\00:25:45.24
because everything changes.
00:25:45.27\00:25:46.87
Everything I'd done in my
life up to that point was wrong.
00:25:46.88\00:25:49.66
So that's the big first step.
00:25:50.33\00:25:51.84
I mean, if you were talking
to someone about a first step,
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it is coming to that point
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of saying, "I gave
myself over to this, but
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I can give myself
over to something else."
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Yeah, admitting.
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Acknowledging and admitting
that you've got a problem.
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Well, I encourage you...
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You've been watching
today NEWSTART at Home.
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Get this book.
Go to our website:
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and get a copy of this book
by just following the links.
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And it's got some real
practical help in here.
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I want to thank
you again for coming,
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being vulnerable,
opening your life up here to us.
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My pleasure.
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And what doesn't beat us
makes us stronger sometimes.
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You're able to
help people as a result.
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And so will you.
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We're glad you've
joined us, and we hope that
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as a result of
watching today NEWSTART at Home,
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you will have a new start
at home, or wherever you are,
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and your life will turn around.
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You could be on
this program someday,
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or be used by
God wherever you are.
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Thanks for joining us.
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Modern views of
evolution stem all the way back
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to theories
developed in the mid-1800s.
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Out of the same time
period came ideas that shape
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our educational system today.
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The Common School
Movement, for example,
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saw schools more like a factory,
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with students blindly
memorizing instruction
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rather than
thinking for themselves.
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Their curriculum was
rigid and theoretical.
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Instead of being
flexible and practical,
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it was designed to
conform the individual
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into a specific ideological mold
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that fit the needs
of an old industrial era
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long since passed.
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Just like our view of
creation in six literal days,
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we believe the Bible contains
an educational blueprint
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radically different
from the one we see now.
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Well friends,
that's it for today.
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We'd like to be
able to help you.
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If you have a problem, pick
up the phone and call us at:
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