Participants: Ron Giannoni (Host), Tommy Brown
Series Code: NSN
Program Code: NSN000054
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00:24 Hi friends, and welcome to another edition of NEWSTART NOW.
00:28 Would you like to get well? 00:29 Then stay tuned and we're going to see this 00:32 video in just a second here of Tommy Brown 00:35 when he arrived here at the NEWSTART program at Weimar. 00:40 Well I was working around the house one day cleaning up, 00:43 and I came across some old CDs laying around. 00:47 And I decided to check them out, so I started looking at them, 00:50 and one was about Weimar. 00:53 It sort of impressed me, 00:57 simply because I have a lot of ailments, I have 01:02 high blood pressure, diabetes, 01:06 high cholesterol, 01:08 enlarged prostate, prostate cancer, 01:11 cervical stenosis, and a couple other things. 01:14 I want to gain a more realistic, stable, healthy life. 01:18 I want to get off of the drugs, and I want to 01:22 get rid of some of the ailments, these diseases, 01:24 and things that are stunting my growth, stunting my life. 01:30 I want to be in a better frame of 01:32 mind to help more people myself. 01:36 Welcome back friends, and in our studio-- 01:38 Tommy how are you sir? - I'm fine thank you. 01:40 Good to see you again. 01:42 Thank you for joining us. 01:44 And I recall our first interview, 01:47 when you were dealing with a lot of issues. 01:51 Tell us, what has happened? 01:54 Well... it could be a long story in a way. 01:57 Since I've been here I've met a bunch of wonderful people. 02:00 The environment is just great... 02:02 people with positive attitudes, smiles, 02:05 and you can feel a genuine desire 02:08 with everyone, to want to help you, 02:10 to help you to have a better life. 02:12 I have reduced lots of my medications. 02:17 When I first came I think I was 02:18 on about 14 different medications. 02:20 14 different medications! Now did you 02:23 take all 14 of those once a day, twice a day? 02:27 I take them at different times, most of them were once a day, 02:30 there were a couple I was taking twice a day. 02:32 So you were on as many as 15 or 16 medications in a day? 02:36 Well some were the same... 02:38 medication I had to take twice a day. 02:40 Yes, got it. 02:41 Now which ones did you stop? Did you stop any? 02:44 Yes, fortunately, as far as the high blood pressure, 02:47 I'm off the high blood pressure, 02:49 all except one, I'm taking 02:51 maybe one quarter of one tab which I 02:53 started taking three, I was taking three, 02:56 now I'm taking one quarter of one. 02:58 I'm completely off all the high cholesterol medication. 03:02 The heart disease I was only taking 03:04 about 25 percent of what I was taking before. 03:07 And I've cut back on insulin, 03:10 one insulin I've cut in half the 03:12 other one I've cut back on considerably. 03:15 How do you feel? how do you feel? 03:16 I feel great! - You look great 03:19 You're a handsome guy. - Thank you. 03:21 And you've got a great smile, and you play a mean piano! 03:25 - Ok! 03:26 So you feel great, 03:28 what part of the program did you really tune into? 03:33 I know... I've been through the program, 03:36 as I think I shared with you... 03:38 What did you like the most? Cooking? 03:40 The walking? the meetings? Tell us about that. 03:43 I like the walking because I had been 03:46 walking for years but even after coming here, 03:49 I've learned more about 03:52 how walking helps, different ways to walk that can help you. 03:55 It's just better for you, and it does more for you. 03:59 I have learned to like a lot of the cooking, 04:03 the meals the new foods. 04:05 And I especially like the doctor I have 04:09 they show so much genuine 04:11 personal interest in you, it's not 04:14 a quick 15 or 20 minute interview and then 04:17 you got to go, I got to get somebody else in. 04:19 They take whatever time it takes 04:22 to see that you're doing what you're supposed to be doing, 04:26 answer you're questions, and see if there 04:27 are any other ways that they can help you. 04:30 I'm a little up in age, 04:32 and this is the first time in my life 04:34 that I've ever had a doctor to go out and take a walk with me! 04:38 Well you know, till I got here, 04:40 it was the first time in my life, 04:41 that I really got to see the doctor 04:43 for any extended period of time. 04:46 And I know you get to eat with the doctors, 04:48 you get to walk with the doctors, 04:49 you have visits with the doctors, 04:51 and they're half hour, 45 minute, hour visits. 04:54 And in that time you really get 04:56 to ask a lot of questions not just, 04:58 Well I got another patient, I got to run, see you, 05:01 take two of these, call me in the morning. 05:02 - Right, there's none of that. 05:04 - Yes, none of that right! 05:05 So you're doctor is Dr. Ing, is it not? 05:08 Yes he is. - Great. 05:09 We're going to be talking to him in a few minutes too. 05:12 - Ok. 05:13 What else? Tell us... 05:16 you know a lot of people that we interview here 05:18 it just seems like there's this 05:21 magic about this place called Weimar, 05:24 where we have the NEWSTART program. 05:28 What is it? Is it the exercise? Is it the food? 05:32 Is it the attention? Is it the massage? 05:35 What is it in your own heart do you 05:37 think has helped you make this change? 05:42 There are many things, 05:43 almost everything that happens helps! 05:45 I was hoping you'd say that! 05:47 It's true, the food, the doctors... 05:51 They tell you a lot of things that you know, 05:53 but they add other things that 05:55 the other doctors don't tell you, 05:57 about life, about the different 05:59 things you eat and drink, you consume. 06:02 The... I was a little afraid when I first came here 06:06 because it's just a little scary, you come here 06:08 and everybody you meet, 06:11 has a smile, they have a positive attitude, and... 06:16 I genuinely felt that they really cared about me, 06:19 and they really care about 06:21 helping all of us, and making 06:22 our lives better, and our health. 06:25 Well you know, I know that made a difference for me too. 06:28 I saw there was something special about this place, 06:32 and I asked my doctor, I said, What's going on here? 06:35 Everywhere I go people are smiling, 06:37 they're kind, friendly 06:39 they want to pray with you etc. 06:42 and that's what led me to the Lord, 06:44 this place right here, Weimar, the NEWSTART program. 06:48 What about the food, now... 06:51 how are you dealing with the food? 06:52 I have an Italian background 06:54 and I used to eat and drink everything and anything. 06:58 How about you? Were you vegan or 07:00 were you vegetarian when you arrived? 07:03 No I was a regular eater-- 07:04 I had been leaning toward vegetarianism, 07:08 I had cut out some of the other things. 07:11 I wasn't a real big meat-eater anyway. 07:14 So the food has been a bit of a challenge, 07:18 but the more I've eaten the more I've liked. 07:21 And so I think I can adapt to the program 07:24 when it comes to the food. 07:26 Tell our viewers, if you will... 07:28 Just take any day of the week. 07:30 What do you do all day? 07:32 I know you're up at what, quarter to six in the morning? 07:35 Maybe I shouldn't have said that! 07:36 You're up early in the morning, right? 07:38 We are, yes. - And what happens? 07:40 Well we're up, we have to exercise 07:42 first thing in the morning. 07:43 We have to check our schedules to see what's going on. 07:47 They have a beautiful schedule laid out for you. 07:50 You stay busy, and everything is... 07:53 Everything here is focused on you as an individual, 07:56 the different things that go on, 07:58 the things that they can do to help you. 08:00 We have classes twice a day every day. 08:04 - Lectures... Lectures like classes, yes. 08:07 And those are done by doctors or Mrs. Ing, right? 08:10 Yes, and they're very, very, very informative. 08:13 And they tell you about...? 08:15 Different phases of your life. 08:17 Everything from the food you eat, 08:19 about the walking, about attitudes, 08:22 about how things relate to your health 08:26 and your lifestyle and your well-being. 08:29 The schedule also includes activities 08:33 that you can do about therapy, 08:37 different kinds of therapy, 08:39 and those people over there are very informative. 08:41 They tell you about the different therapies, 08:43 They take the time to tell you how those things are working 08:45 with your body, with your health, 08:48 how they're helping you and how they will help you. 08:50 They even tell you how you can do 08:54 a lot of the things after you go home. 08:55 Are you talking about the massage and the hydrotherapy? 08:58 Yes, and the footbaths. 09:00 - And what? Footbaths? Footbaths. 09:02 Yes, for neuropathy and other things. 09:05 Did you have neuropathy? - Yes. 09:07 Yes, I had neuropathy. - Has that changed? 09:10 It has changed some. 09:11 I had some pain in my toes 09:14 and a small part of my foot, 09:16 which I haven't had since I started the foot baths. 09:19 And who is your therapist? 09:21 My therapist is Ron Henny. 09:24 I mean, I'm sorry - Ron Denny. 09:26 - Rod Denny, yes. Rod Denny, yes. 09:28 And you were treated well there? 09:30 I'm sure you went into the saunas, 09:32 and you had hydrotherapy and the hot baths, 09:36 and massage therapy, as well as 09:37 they put you through the car wash. 09:40 We call it that because it has so many nozzles and sprays. 09:44 Yes. 09:45 Did you enjoy that, the hot and cold? 09:46 I enjoyed it, yes I did. 09:48 That's one thing you can do when you get home, by the way. 09:50 It would be a good idea to do that. 09:53 And also the fever bath. - Yes. 09:55 Because there are different phases of the fever bath 09:57 that one can try at home. 09:59 Well Tommy, I just want to bless you 10:02 and I want to thank you for coming on our program 10:07 so our viewers can see your testimony and hear about it. 10:11 Thank you very much. 10:12 Thank you so much for this opportunity. 10:14 It's been great. It's been well worth the trip 10:16 all the way across the country. 10:18 Folks, don't go away. 10:19 We're going to visit with Doctor Ing in just a moment. 10:23 Well, you've done very well. 10:31 Do you have diabetes, 10:32 heart disease, high blood pressure, 10:35 or do you weigh too much? 10:37 Hi, my name is Dr. Ing, and I'd like to tell you 10:40 about our 18-day NEWSTART lifestyle program. 10:44 It includes a comprehensive medical evaluation 10:46 with laboratory studies and an exercise stress test, 10:50 physician consultations, 10:53 culinary school, 10:54 and an opportunity to walk on beautiful trails 10:57 in the foothills of the Sierras. 11:01 Your health is one of the most 11:03 important things that you have. Don't wait. 11:05 Give us a call at: 11:10 Or visit our website: 11:29 Welcome back friends, and in our studio, Doctor Ing. 11:32 Doctor Ing, how are you? 11:34 It's great to be here, Ron. 11:35 It's always good to see you. 11:37 And especially when we're talking about Tommy, 11:42 and the changes that he's been through. 11:45 It's so wonderful. 11:46 I guess he was taking 14 or 15 different medications 11:50 as many as 16 or 17 times a day. 11:53 And you know, the only thing I didn't ask, 11:56 and I wanted to ask you, 11:58 how did he do on his weight? 12:00 Oh! I think he lost 12 or more pounds, yeah. 12:05 Isn't that great? He didn't look overweight to begin with! 12:07 But I wanted to ask him that, 12:09 and I figured I'd wait to ask you. 12:11 He lost weight. He definitely lost weight. 12:14 And one of the things that he did to help achieve that 12:19 was he stopped eating his evening meal. 12:22 after the first day or two he said, 12:24 "You know, I'm a little bit too short. 12:29 I need to get reapportioned." 12:31 So he stopped eating his evening meal. 12:33 We adjusted his medicines for his diabetes, 12:36 so he didn't have any problem with his low blood sugars. 12:39 Because sometimes they say, well, 12:42 "I've got to eat three meals a day because of my diabetes," 12:45 and that is not true. 12:46 You can adjust the medication when you do that, 12:50 so that you don't have many low blood sugars, 12:53 and for those who are overweight-- 12:56 we call them "too short"-- 12:57 it's a lot easier to lose weight when you don't eat a third meal. 13:02 If you don't eat anything after three o'clock, 13:04 it's a lot easier for them to lose weight. 13:06 Now when we went off camera 13:08 just at the end of the interview with him, 13:10 I asked him how many medications he's down to 13:13 and he says he's taking only four. 13:15 That's pretty incredible! 13:18 He wanted to get off all of them while he was here, 13:21 and I guess at some point in time 13:23 he'll see his doctor-- 13:24 or will he come back and see you? 13:26 He'll probably see his doctor, 13:28 because he lives in Richmond, Virginia. 13:30 That's a long ways from here. - Yes. 13:32 But he's done very, very well, and he's very, very happy. 13:35 In fact, working with him as we 13:39 were monitoring his blood pressure, 13:41 he was starting to say, 13:43 "Doc, I feel a little bit light-headed." 13:44 So we checked his blood pressure, 13:47 and it was less than 100. 13:48 I mean, his systolic was less than 100. 13:50 So I said, "Well you're still on some blood pressure medicines. 13:53 Let's get rid of those." 13:55 And when we got rid of those, 13:57 he wasn't light-headed anymore, 13:59 his blood pressure was still fine, 14:00 so he was very happy about that. 14:03 So he's off the blood pressure medications. 14:06 Right. And we also stopped 14:09 the medicines to lower his 14:10 cholesterol and his triglycerides, 14:13 because we want to see what it's really like 14:17 when he's on a good, healthful diet. 14:20 And even though his 14:21 cholesterol came up just slightly, 14:22 it's still at a very good level. 14:25 So he's happy about that. I'm pleased about that, 14:29 because some of the medicines that he was on, 14:33 whether or not they really helped 14:35 to lower the risk for heart disease and heart attack 14:38 is debatable. 14:39 So now we know that if he has his 14:41 cholesterol levels down there without any medication, 14:44 then we know what's really happening, 14:46 and that's much better. - Yes. 14:48 He just seemed to be very, very pleased 14:50 with the entire staff, 14:53 and everything that he's achieved, 14:56 and the kindness and the love that has been shared 15:00 here at the NEWSTART program. 15:02 Doctor, I've asked you this before, 15:04 and I need to ask again, because I want to make sure 15:07 our viewers understand. 15:10 When our guests come here, 15:12 and they go through this program, 15:14 you, pretty much you work with them, you don't... 15:17 Could you tell us a little bit about what it is 15:20 that you do as a physician? 15:21 Maybe tell our viewers so 15:24 we can have some people relax 15:27 so they can get themselves to come to our program? 15:30 Well, when they come here we do a comprehensive evaluation, 15:35 including the history. 15:36 They fill out a form which asks lots of questions 15:39 about their illness, 15:40 how long they've had their illness, 15:42 what medications they're on, 15:43 and we evaluate that. We examine them, 15:47 do a thorough physical examination. 15:50 And then after we do that, 15:53 we review where they are with whatever condition they have, 15:57 and then we make suggestions. 16:00 - But that includes also... Excuse me for interrupting. 16:03 That includes a blood draw 16:05 we do the first morning they're here, right? 16:07 And then on the second day we do a treadmill test, right? 16:10 That's right. 16:11 Is that all part of this evaluation 16:13 that you're speaking of? - Right. 16:14 That's all part of the evaluation. It's included. 16:18 And so then we do another blood test at the end 16:22 to see what's happened, 16:24 you know, if their results... 16:26 If their blood sugars and their triglycerides 16:28 and the cholesterol and the HDL cholesterol 16:30 and the LDL cholesterol, 16:31 how they've changed, if they've improved, and so on. 16:34 And we also do a second exercise treadmill test 16:38 to see if their fitness level has improved. 16:42 And we can usually chart this, 16:46 because most of the time 16:49 the pulse rate is recorded for every minute 16:51 like minute one, minute two, minute three, 16:54 and then we compare this with the second test. 16:57 On the second test it's fairly common to see 17:00 that the pulse rate has... 17:02 you know, how many times the heart beats per minute, 17:05 has decreased since the first time, 17:07 which means that their level of 17:09 physical and cardiovascular fitness has improved. 17:13 In other words, they're stronger physically, 17:14 their heart is stronger, 17:16 and so their heart doesn't have to work as hard 17:18 to do the same amount of work. 17:20 And they oftentimes, the time that they 17:24 are able to spend on the treadmill 17:26 likewise is improved. 17:28 In other words, if they stay on 17:29 like for six minutes the first time, 17:31 they may stay on seven minutes, eight minutes, 17:34 or even nine minutes or possibly longer the second time. 17:37 How about Tommy? How long did he stay on 17:39 the second time? Do you recall? 17:40 I don't recall exactly, but 17:43 I remember it was at least 1-1/2 to 2 minutes longer 17:47 than it was on his first time, 17:49 and that means his fitness level has improved. 17:54 And he's walking with a brace, or he's used a brace, 17:58 So he did very, very well, 18:00 and he was very pleased about that. 18:02 Doctor, are we prepared here at the NEWSTART program 18:06 to deal, for lack of a better word, 18:11 with any type of disease a person might have? 18:15 Well, I'm not willing to say "any type of diseases," 18:18 because there's some diseases... 18:20 Well that's a layman talking to you here. 18:21 Right, right, but you know, 18:23 the usual diseases that afflict the American population, 18:29 like heart disease, high blood pressure, 18:32 diabetes, arthritis, these types of problems, 18:36 and even we worked with some of the auto-immune conditions 18:40 like lupus and things like this, and also rheumatoid arthritis. 18:44 And we've had patients come here with these problems. 18:47 And when they begin to put into practice 18:52 the principles they learn, and experience what happens 18:56 when you eat good, healthful food 18:59 and when you start to exercise, or just walking, 19:03 it's remarkable the changes that take place in people. 19:06 So you know, they're happy, 19:09 we're happy to see that they're so much better 19:12 and they feel better, they have less aches and pains, 19:15 and their outlook on life-- their mood improves. 19:19 For some who come depressed, they have less depression. 19:23 For those who come with fibromyalgia and aches and 19:27 pains associated with all the 19:28 muscle and joint problems they have, 19:30 invariably the amount of discomfort and pain they have 19:34 is dramatically reduced, 19:36 and the patients are very pleased about this. 19:38 Now I've had people call me and ask me, 19:41 "Ron, do you deal with cancer patients?" 19:46 And my response is, 19:48 "Well, I've seen people come through the program." 19:51 Can you talk about that just for a little bit? 19:54 Well, we do have patients who come here with cancer. 19:57 And cancer is a big problem here in the United States 20:00 because it causes about one-fourth 20:03 of all the deaths here in the United States. 20:05 So, it depends what stage they come in. 20:09 Sometimes if they come in where they're just 20:13 really, very bad, and the cancer has spread all over their body, 20:17 there's not a lot that we can do as far as 20:20 helping them physically. 20:22 Although it's amazing that sometimes patients come in-- 20:26 We know that all healing comes from God. 20:29 And the exciting thing is, when we work with them, 20:32 when they follow the rules of health, 20:33 when they pray to the Lord and ask for healing 20:36 according to His will, 20:37 some of these patients are healed. 20:42 And it's not our doing. 20:43 I mean, yes, you need to follow the rules of health, 20:46 but God is the Healer and Restorer. 20:48 It's not us and it's not the program. 20:50 But we pray to God and we cooperate with Him 20:52 so that we follow His rules, 20:55 and one of the blessings of obeying the Lord 20:57 is better health. - Yes. 20:59 Well I've seen, and actually people have sat in that chair 21:03 who have come to the program that had cancer, 21:06 and see it go into remission. 21:09 Well Doctor Ing, our time is running out. 21:12 I want to thank you for joining us. 21:14 I know your time is real busy, 21:18 and we'll see you the next go-around. 21:20 It's a pleasure, Ron. God bless. 21:21 God bless you. 21:23 And thank you, friends. But don't go away, 21:25 because we have an important message for you 21:27 right after this. 21:43 Hello, and welcome to NEWSTART Now. 21:44 I'm your host, Don Mackintosh, 21:46 and today we're glad that Dr. Michael Orlich is with us. 21:49 Welcome, Doctor Orlich. 21:50 Good to be with you, Don. 21:52 Now you're a specialist in family practice, 21:54 but also you're doing a board in preventive medicine. 21:58 You worked for a time here at the NEWSTART program as well. 22:01 That's right. Four years here at NEWSTART Lifestyle Program. 22:04 And we have an acronym here, NEWSTART, 22:06 which guests came up with that, I guess. 22:09 And one of those parts of that acronym is 22:12 W - water. 22:13 We're going to talk about water today. 22:15 Do we get enough water? 22:18 Well, some people do and some people don't, 22:21 but there are a lot of people who don't get enough water, 22:25 and water is one of those simple things 22:27 that we take for granted, like air, 22:29 but it's very important for our health. 22:31 Does our body tell us when we need water, 22:33 or do we have to tell our body that we need water? 22:35 Well it's very fortunate that our body 22:37 does have a lot of mechanisms for 22:39 keeping us from getting dehydrated. 22:42 We hang on to more water through our kidneys 22:46 when we're not getting enough, 22:48 and we also have the thirst mechanism 22:51 that keeps us from getting too dehydrated. 22:53 But remember, these are alarms of your body 22:56 saying that you're getting a bit dehydrated, 22:58 so it's better to stay ahead of the game 23:00 and get plenty of water. 23:02 Remember that probably 70 percent of your body 23:06 is made up of water. 23:07 All of the various chemical reactions 23:09 that take place in your body that allow you to be alive 23:12 are water-based reactions. 23:14 And so having enough water, staying well-hydrated, 23:18 is a very important principle for health. 23:20 And you were telling me before we did this segment that 23:23 they have some new research that's also showing 23:25 some benefits for being well-hydrated. 23:27 Well that's true. There are a number of benefits 23:30 of getting enough water. 23:31 Some of the most obvious ones 23:33 actually have to do with the urinary system and the bladder. 23:37 For example, if you want to avoid urinary tract infections, 23:41 it's good to drink plenty of water. 23:43 If you want to avoid kidney stones, 23:45 it's important to drink a lot of water. 23:47 If you keep the urine dilute, 23:49 the stones don't have as much of an ability to form. 23:53 And bladder cancer is clearly reduced 23:56 with increased water intake. 23:58 But what I was telling you about is 24:00 findings from the Adventist Health Study, 24:02 which is a major epidemiologic cohort study 24:06 funded by the National Institutes of Health 24:08 and done out of Loma Linda University. 24:11 And they published interesting results 24:14 that had to do with people on their questionnaire 24:17 checking whether they drank 24:20 more than 5 glasses of water a day, 24:23 between 2 and 5, 24:24 or less than 2 glasses of water a day. 24:27 And a very, very interesting finding 24:30 is that those people who drank 24:32 more than 5 glasses of water a day 24:34 had a significant reduction 24:36 in their risk of coronary heart disease 24:39 compared to those people who drank less 24:41 than 2 glasses of water a day. 24:44 So it seems that something as simple as drinking enough water 24:47 may lead to a reduced risk 24:49 of one of the biggest killers in America. 24:51 Wow. I'm feeling thirsty already. 24:53 But is all water equal? I mean, you know, 24:56 bottled water, tap water... 24:58 Where should I get my water? 24:59 Well, some people ask about other beverages, 25:04 you know, like say pop and Kool-Aid 25:06 and coffee and that sort of thing. 25:08 And fortunately, all of these things can help you 25:11 keep from becoming completely dehydrated, 25:14 because they're all mostly made out of water. 25:16 But it's far better to drink pure water. 25:19 One of the biggest and simplest reasons is 25:22 you don't need a lot of the other things that's added, 25:25 and one of the biggest things is calories. 25:27 You don't want to drink your calories because 25:30 this can bring on so many extra calories 25:32 and lead to weight gain. 25:33 But water itself, of course we can get it in many forms. 25:37 And around the world, 25:38 many people die from contaminated water. 25:41 Fortunately, here in the United States 25:44 most city water, municipal water, 25:47 is safe and free of major pollutants. 25:50 And so most people can do well 25:53 with just drinking tap water and drinking enough of it. 25:56 Bottled waters have been looked at, and in general, 26:00 they're about the same as your average tap water. 26:04 So there's no real advantage to bottled water, 26:07 distilled water, or that type of thing. 26:10 Six to eight glasses a day? 26:12 Six to eight glasses is certainly a good rule of thumb. 26:15 It varies if you're in a hot environment, 26:18 if you're exercising a lot, you'll need more. 26:21 But 6 to 8 glasses a day is good for most people and most times. 26:25 Well I think we're going to have a drink 26:26 right after this segment-- 26:28 of water, that is. 26:29 And we're glad that you joined us. 26:30 Doctor Mike, we're glad you're here with us. 26:32 And we're glad that you joined us, as well. 26:34 We hope that you can visit our website: 26:37 Get more information about this or other subjects, 26:39 and that as a result of today's program 26:41 you have a new start that begins right now. 26:51 Modern views of evolution stem all the way back 26:54 to theories developed in the mid-1800s. 26:57 Out of the same time period came ideas that shape 27:00 our educational system today. 27:03 The Common School Movement, for example, 27:06 saw schools more like a factory, 27:08 with students blindly memorizing instruction 27:10 rather than thinking for themselves. 27:13 Their curriculum was rigid and theoretical. 27:15 Instead of being flexible and practical, 27:18 it was designed to conform the individual 27:21 into a specific ideological mold 27:24 that fit the needs of an old industrial era 27:26 long since passed. 27:29 Just like our view of creation in six literal days, 27:32 we believe the Bible contains an educational blueprint 27:37 radically different from the one we see now. 27:52 Well friends, that's it for today. 27:54 I know there's many of you out there 27:56 that need to come to our program, 27:58 so pick up that phone and give us a call at: 28:04 God bless you. |
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