Participants: Ron Giannoni (Host), Max Steindel-Cymer
Series Code: NSN
Program Code: NSN000053
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00:23 Hi, friends and welcome to another edition
00:26 of NEWSTART Now. 00:28 We have a gentlemen, in our studio today Max, 00:32 who came to us 17 days ago, very, very sick man 00:37 and rather than me tell you about it, 00:39 lets watch a clip when he first arrived. 00:42 I'm a Type 2 diabetic, I've neuropathy of both legs 00:47 and both feet and I'm overweight. 00:52 I haven't been able to exercise like I'd like to. 00:56 It has been very difficult for me to even walk 01:01 or climb stairs or descend from stairs. 01:05 I've been limited in mobility 01:08 because of my conditions. 01:10 I want to reverse my diabetes. 01:12 I'd like my neuropathy to be reversed also. 01:19 I like reduction of my weight. 01:22 I've exceed 400 pounds, 01:25 I like to get down to 200 pounds 01:28 like I used to be, like I used to be 25 years ago. 01:32 I've gone, 01:34 I've gone on the reverse direction of that 01:39 and that's awful and because of that 01:42 I'm slowly deteriorating and if I didn't come here, 01:49 I was told that I might expire in about two years. 01:56 Welcome back friends and in our studio Max. 01:58 How are you sir? 02:00 Hi Ron, pleasure. 02:01 It is so good to see you. 02:02 It's also pleasure to see you. 02:04 And I've to make a correction. 02:06 I said you came to our NEWSTART program 17 days ago. 02:12 The truth is this is your second session, right. 02:15 Correct. So you came to our NEWSTART program 02:17 maybe 40 days ago. Correct. 02:19 And this is the second session you've been through. 02:23 Let's just start because you are a big guy 02:26 and I know you've lost lot of weight. 02:29 How much weight did you loose? 02:31 So far I've lost 40 pounds. Wow! 02:34 I'm extremely happy. 02:37 I've been able to reverse my diabetes 02:42 and I was taking a 112 units of insulin per day. 02:46 I've reversed that down to 8 units. 02:49 Now, what does that mean 8 units? 02:51 Does that mean like you are almost done 02:53 taking this stuff? 02:55 I'm almost done. 02:56 Almost done and just in a couple of session, 02:58 it's great. 02:59 Absolutely correct, and I spoke to my doctor 03:02 and he has reassured me that in a short time, 03:05 I will be done with insulin entirely. 03:07 Alright! That, I'm doing absolutely wonderful. 03:10 I'm doing exactly what he had hoped 03:14 I would be doing and I'm very proud of myself. 03:19 I've been able to, slowly reverse my neuropathy. 03:25 It takes a little bit more time but then again, 03:28 I've it's, 03:30 I've had it for about five years I would say. 03:33 And it's gonna take a little time for that, 03:36 but it is in greatly improved. 03:38 My legs which were red purple, 03:41 when I started or before I started are now showing, 03:47 they are almost skin color. 03:48 Wow! They are almost the color of the skin, 03:50 that's how much, how much they have improved. 03:53 It's due to the Hydrotherapy that I've had. 03:57 It's also due to the amount of exercise 03:59 that I've given myself 04:01 and it's due to the diet that I have. 04:04 The vegan diet is the only way to go, 04:07 it's the only true way to go. 04:09 How did you find out about NEWSTART? 04:13 How did you get here? 04:14 Why the NEWSTART program, why not some other? 04:19 I looked on the computer and I asked, 04:24 I inquired about reversing diabetes. 04:29 Couple of programs came up, which included NEWSTART. 04:34 And NEWSTART was the most attractive for me. 04:38 I was quiet happy with foods, 04:41 was not only raw but cooked. 04:43 I prefer cooked foods. 04:44 I like raw and cooked, I like them both. 04:48 When I had my first meal which was just a soup 04:53 for the first day, I told myself, 04:56 I said I'm going vegan all the way. 04:59 I'm a person that was eating, 05:00 barbequed ribs, pork and beef, 05:03 I was eating lamb chops, all the meats, 05:07 I was eating barbequed chicken and turkey 05:10 and all the other stuff which truly is garbage. 05:16 It was tearing down my system, 05:17 I didn't know it but it creates blockages 05:21 within the arteries which I could have a heart attack 05:28 with eating these simple, with those animal foods. 05:33 I've stayed away from that. 05:34 I've stayed away from that for almost 40 days, 05:37 and I'm, I'm a happier and healthier person. 05:42 I'm very proud of myself. 05:43 I'm very proud of you too. Thank you. 05:46 So you started to tell us 05:49 that you investigated other places, 05:51 but something happened here caused you to come 05:55 to the NEWSTART program. 05:56 Correct. And that was? 05:58 I connected with my sister, 06:00 my sister who believes in holistic medicine, 06:05 told me that she has checked with others 06:09 and she believes that my life would be, 06:13 would be shortened. Yes. 06:18 By about two years, it bothered me a lot. 06:22 I had my wife and daughter, once were in major tears. 06:26 My legs were getting to such a degree. 06:30 My neuropathy was such a degree, 06:31 so bad that they could be amputated anytime. 06:37 I was desperate. 06:39 Were you afraid? Were you scared? 06:41 I was scared, I was frightened. 06:44 The doctors that I deal with, 06:46 that I dealt with had no cure for me. 06:51 They said, exercise, it was a difficult, 06:55 they said exercise and try to, 06:57 try to cut your food, it didn't help. 07:00 The exercising, but the food I was eating 07:02 was all terrible to begin with, I was, 07:06 I wasn't doing any good for this person here. Yes. 07:11 Weimar, Weimar NEWSTART opened my eyes. 07:15 I'm extremely happy. 07:17 I'm like I stated, I'm, I've lost close to 40 pounds 07:23 or rather over 40 pounds and I'm very happy. 07:28 And your wife, I guess is just thrilled. 07:31 She is thrilled. 07:33 Yeah, what a blessing, aha? 07:34 I'm so, I'm so blessed. Yes. 07:37 And not only that I've done this but I've had help. 07:44 The help of the Weimar staff and the help of the Lord 07:48 has pushed me along in the right direction 07:53 and I'm still exercising, still following the diet 07:57 and I plan to lose more and more and more 08:00 until I get to my ideal weight. 08:02 And now let me ask you this because I know 08:04 there are viewers that are maybe not as heavy as you, 08:08 maybe some heavier, 08:09 when you first got here you weren't able 08:11 to walk too far as I recall, right. Not at all. 08:14 How far did you walk, maybe? 08:16 Maybe about-- a block and it was tough. 08:20 Yeah! How about now? 08:22 Now, now I'm walking between four and six miles. 08:26 Wow! I'm thrilled. 08:29 Wow! I'm-- I'm totally thrilled. 08:31 And you are riding a bike too? 08:33 And I'm riding it, there is a recumbent bike, 08:36 very comfortable and I'm quiet happy. 08:40 Oh! Praise God. 08:41 And the recumbent bike, 08:43 I'm doing 18 to 20 miles a day. Wow! 08:46 The equivalent of three miles on the recumbent 08:49 for one mile of walking, 08:52 I'm walking a lot. Yes. 08:53 Riding a lot. Good. 08:55 And sweating a lot but it's-- 08:57 It feels good. It feels great. 09:01 I'm proof in the pudding. 09:02 I have lost 40 or 40 plus pounds, quiet happy. 09:07 Now what you gonna do, when you get at home 09:09 and you sit around the table 09:11 and or someone invite you over for dinner 09:14 and they set up the pork chops, 09:16 some of these chops and that, 09:17 what you are gonna do? 09:19 Well, I've resigned myself not to eat dinner. Oh! 09:22 So, I'm not gonna be around there, 09:24 even if I'm, even if there is a lunch and there all be, 09:28 all those meats, I will not eat that. 09:31 I've resigned myself to eat strictly, 09:34 what God brought for us. 09:39 He, God brought for us to eat whole plant foods, 09:42 not to eat meats, I've learned that. 09:46 I don't drink any soda, I don't drink any milk, 09:50 I don't have any animal products, 09:53 milk, eggs, what have you. 09:57 I drink strictly water, 09:58 and its quiet nourishing for me. 10:02 Nice, you are an inspiration, 10:04 I know for many people out there and for me as well. 10:07 And I want to thank you 10:09 for coming on the set and chat with us. 10:12 My pleasure Ron, thank you. 10:13 May God bless you. 10:15 And my God bless you also. 10:16 Thank you, and friends don't go away 10:18 because the doctor will be right with us. 10:23 Oh! You've done very well. 10:31 Do you have diabetes, heart disease, 10:33 high blood pressure or do you weigh too much? 10:37 Hi, my name is Dr. Rangen, 10:38 I would like to tell you 10:40 about our 18 day NEWSTART Lifestyle program. 10:43 It includes a comprehensive medical evaluations, 10:46 laboratory studies and exercise stress test, 10:49 physician consultations, culinary school 10:54 and an opportunity to walk on beautiful trails 10:57 in the foothills of the Sierras. 11:01 Your health is one of the most important things 11:03 that you have. 11:04 Don't wait, give us a call at 800-525-9192 11:09 or visit our website newstart.com. 11:29 Welcome back friends, and as I promised, 11:30 Dr. David DeRose. How are you doctor? 11:32 Hey, great, great, great to be with you Ron. 11:34 And it's always good to see you, 11:36 such breath of fresh air, if you will. 11:39 Ron, I'm glad, I can bring some fresh air 11:41 through the Lord's grace, 11:43 I mean He is doing tremendous things here at Weimer, 11:45 it is just great to share them on the show. 11:47 And we can see that Max. 11:49 Oh! Incredible. 11:50 You've been his doctor for the last two sessions? 11:53 That's right, we worked together for two programs, 11:55 the programs here are 18 days each of course, 11:57 and he just made incredible progress, really amazing. 12:01 Not that it was totally unexpected, 12:03 but you never know, how someone is going to respond 12:06 to the program and Max, did really very, very well. 12:08 I know, he is quiet pleased with his weight loss 12:11 and in fact that his neuropathy 12:14 has subsided to some degree, 12:17 getting color back in his legs, he is able to walk. 12:20 Doctor, why is this? 12:22 Why do people need to come here, 12:24 can't they do this at home? 12:26 You know, the amazing thing Ron, 12:27 having worked as an out-patient physician 12:30 in the past and having worked 12:32 in residential settings like here at Weimer. 12:34 It's very interesting what happens. 12:37 In the typical out-patient setting, 12:39 even when you've got a good doctor, 12:41 even you've got dieticians working with you, 12:43 even if you got a good exercise coach, 12:45 a lot of times what happens is people learn 12:49 about enough things to do, 12:51 that make their life somewhat uncomfortable, 12:55 kind of moving in the right direction, 12:58 but they don't make changes 12:59 that are big enough to really see some dramatic impacts. 13:02 It really often for people like, you know, Max, 13:06 that we've been talking about him, 13:07 you know, hearing his story. 13:09 He came to a setting where he said, 13:11 look at I'm going to come in a place 13:13 where I'm gonna just change everything at once 13:15 and that's why you often see the most powerful changes. 13:18 Is that because I've been told, 13:21 when I came through the program. 13:23 It takes, you know, like 21 days 13:25 to create a new habit, 13:26 is that kind of lent to this progress? 13:29 Well, I think part of what's going on, 13:31 it's not just developing new habits 13:33 because when we're running a residential program, 13:36 we can change someone's diet from day one. All right! 13:39 When Max arrives, 13:40 we don't have to teach him how to cook better. 13:42 He doesn't have to go to cooking classes 13:44 and dietician's sessions. 13:46 Yeah, we have those things while he is here. 13:48 But the beauty of the residential program 13:51 is you don't have to wait 13:52 until you got the whole program figured out, 13:54 before you start getting benefits from it. 13:57 By the time you get it figured out 13:58 the two weeks or so is up. 14:00 That's exactly right, so it's not that way here. 14:02 From day one, he is getting that high quality food, 14:05 that we've actually demonstrate it 14:07 in number of settings, really can make a huge difference 14:10 in improving blood sugar, 14:11 lowering things like cholesterol, 14:13 improving blood pressure, improving neuropathy 14:16 which is a huge thing. 14:17 It's not just the diet, it's a whole program. 14:19 The hydrotherapy, the exercise, 14:22 the spiritual dimension which is huge here, 14:24 whether or not, a person decides 14:26 to take advantage of that fully, 14:28 that really is a team here 14:30 that's praying for the patients 14:31 and offering them spiritual help and encouragement. 14:34 What about the folks that are watching us now 14:38 like myself by the way. 14:40 I was afraid of doctors, 14:41 I didn't want to go to doctor, 14:43 because they always wanted to do these things to me. 14:46 What do we do with guests when they arrive here? 14:49 Do we do any invasive type of looking around. 14:56 Well, the way I like to look it Ron 14:58 and sometimes I tell my patients this. 15:00 I say this may come as a surprise to you, 15:03 but I look at myself as the consultant 15:06 and you as the expert. 15:08 And a lot of people say, well, you know, 15:10 what do you mean, I mean you are supposed 15:11 to be the expert, I mean you got the, 15:12 you know boys in internal medicine 15:15 and preventive medicine, you've done. 15:16 No, no, no, what I'm saying is look at, if Ron, 15:19 for example, you are my patient, 15:21 I'm telling you look Ron, 15:24 I might have had all this experiences, 15:25 I might know all the stuff in the books, 15:27 but you are unique, 15:28 you have lived with yourselves 15:30 for a long time, right. Right. 15:32 Yeah, and so you know your body, 15:34 you've insight into things. 15:35 My job is to be a teacher and encourager 15:39 to share things with you, but you've got to tell me, 15:42 whether these things are gonna work for you. 15:44 If you are uncomfortable doing a stress test. 15:46 We routinely offer all our patients an exercise test 15:50 where we've the manual treadmill, 15:51 assessing their fitness, 15:53 seeing if they have any heart problems. 15:54 I had a women not longer was very vary about that, 15:58 I said look, you are in charge. 15:59 I mean, if you are on that stress test, 16:01 it feels uncomfortable we will stop it. Yeah. 16:03 So, really, here at Weimer, 16:05 we're actually, its not where the physicians 16:08 and the staff are putting him into a box 16:11 and poking you and prodding you 16:12 and we're gonna this to you and do that to you. 16:15 You're really in charge of your program. 16:17 You've chosen to come here, we're your allies, 16:19 we're your partners, we're your helpers 16:21 and really trying to encourage you, 16:23 give you the information you need. 16:24 Sure, if there is diagnostic things that need to be done 16:28 and you are interested in having those done. 16:30 We can do those for you here. 16:31 I mean within certain rounds, 16:33 this is not a hi-tech, diagnostic centers with, 16:36 you know, where we're trying to get everyone 16:37 in x-ray machines, so they can pay for it, 16:39 or we don't have any x-ray machines here. 16:41 All right! Yeah! 16:42 Now, tell me again doctor, 16:44 and I have asked you this question before, 16:46 but it just seems to amaze me each session. 16:50 We see 20, 30 people at a time going through 16:53 this program that inevitably get well. 16:57 How is this possible? 16:58 What is it that we do, can we talk about that? 17:01 Sure, the way I look at it Ron, 17:03 is when I pick up my Bible, and I open it up, 17:06 I see that there is a God, 17:08 who's just incredibly interested in helping people. 17:12 From the very beginning, 17:13 He gave an environment on this earth 17:15 that was optimally designed for our health. 17:17 And somehow in our crazy society, 17:20 we've somehow begun to think that things 17:24 that God never intended us to do 17:26 are somehow pleasurable. 17:28 They are somehow give enjoyment to life. 17:30 They are somehow better for us than the way of life 17:32 that God has spelled out. 17:33 We're just here 17:35 trying to help people reconnect with the wisdom 17:37 that's in Gods inspired book, the Bible. 17:40 Whether someone believes in the Bible or not, 17:41 it's compelling. 17:43 When they come here and they start to see 17:44 the medical research data, 17:46 our program is research driven. 17:47 We share with him study after study 17:49 about why we do the things we do, 17:51 but it all underscores this very same program 17:54 God had for his people in the beginning. 17:55 So, you can say this program is 6000 years old. 17:58 Exactly! All right! Yeah! 18:00 That's a pretty old program. 18:01 And it's tumbling for us as physicians, 18:03 because, you know, I can't walk out here and say, 18:05 hey! Ron, look what I did, you know, 18:07 I got it all figured out. 18:08 We're really just saying look at these simple things 18:11 that the medical community is finally catching up 18:14 with are the very same things that God 18:16 in the beginning or day in that we should be doing. 18:18 Yes! Simple diet, exercise, 18:21 trust in divine power, water therapy, 18:23 it's the whole NEWSTART program. 18:25 And that's why they call this a lifestyle program 18:28 and what we, isn't a diet, 18:31 but part of that lifestyles, is that correct? 18:33 That's exactly right, 18:35 we're looking at helping people develop 18:36 a new lifestyle that they enjoy 18:39 and can live with for rest of their life. 18:40 And Max has done so well, I didn't ask Max, 18:46 maybe you know the answer to this, 18:47 or you recall 18:49 the medications that he was taking, 18:51 had he been taken off of any medication. 18:54 And second question, it's a two part question. 18:58 Who decides when and how much 18:59 to take these medications? 19:01 Yeah, I think probably for most people, 19:02 the most remarkable thing Max shared 19:04 and that was that he came here 19:05 on over a 100 units of insulin a day 19:08 and by the time he left 19:09 he was just taking like 8 or 10 units. Correct. 19:11 Which is really incredible, 19:13 because the normal history with diabetes is people 19:16 get put on more and more medication. 19:18 Why is that? 19:19 Well, the irony is this Ron, 19:21 the major cause of diabetes in America today 19:24 is what we call Type 2 diabetes, 19:26 is caused by insulin resistance. 19:28 In other words insulin not working 19:29 as it should in our bodies. 19:31 One of the things that drives 19:33 insulin resistance is waking. 19:35 If we don't change lifestyle 19:37 and we just start giving drugs and especially insulin, 19:41 they lower blood sugar, insulin does, 19:43 but it causes you to gain more weight. 19:45 Okay. Oh, it's just contributing 19:47 to this vicious cycle. 19:48 What we do with lifestyle as we get a person 19:51 on the program that decreases 19:53 that insulin resistance, 19:54 decreases the need for insulin, 19:56 helps them to loose the weight 19:58 and really reverses the diabetic process. 20:01 Well, how long would it take, 20:02 say at this point Max is down to, 20:06 I think the number was eight. 20:08 How much further does he have to go 20:10 doing this particular lifestyle 20:12 until he is completely off? 20:14 It does vary from person to person, 20:16 I mean we can always make an educated guess. 20:19 It's just based on how well they do with the exercise, 20:22 how well they stick with the diet 20:24 and how quickly the weight comes off. 20:26 Typically if a person has dropped that much of insulin, 20:29 it's a relatively short time for him if they stick 20:32 with the program we're talking, 20:33 you know weeks rather than many months. 20:36 Now, I've seen people who come here 20:39 that are on insulin, 20:41 they are off insulin within 18 days, 20:44 is this common? 20:45 Yes, actually very common. 20:46 We did a study, when I was working 20:48 with another lifestyle program 20:49 and we found something like two-thirds 20:51 of our patients could get off their insulin totally. 20:53 They are typically, there are people 20:55 that are on less than a 100 units a day. 20:57 Aha! Well, I'm sure that there are viewers 21:00 who want to know that, 21:02 because there are people who are deciding 21:04 whether they should come or not or maybe 21:06 they are too far along. 21:08 Any last comment, we've just got a few seconds left. 21:10 Yes! Nobody is too far along. 21:12 We can help anybody and I would just encourage 21:16 as many peoples as possible, take advantage 21:18 if they got resources at home go for it, 21:20 if not let us help you here at Weimer. 21:22 Doctor, thank you for joining us, 21:23 it's always a pleasure. 21:25 And thank you, folks but don't go away, 21:27 we've an important message for you right after this. 21:45 Welcome to NEWSTART Now. My name is Cathy. 21:47 With us today we have Dr. Eddie Ramirez. 21:50 Hi, thank you for inviting me here. 21:51 I'm glad that you are here. 21:53 Today we're gonna talk about, 21:54 let's see if I can say this right, endothelium. 21:56 That's right! Oh! Good, okay, 21:58 share with us what this is? 21:59 Well, it's so important this topic, 22:02 because when we analyze, the causes of death 22:06 in most of the industrialized countries 22:09 and its spreading into the developing countries, 22:12 this is one of the major culprits of those deaths. 22:16 You worked too, you can go on 22:18 and check in their office where they register 22:21 all these deaths, 22:23 you will see over and over and over 22:26 that this is a problem. 22:28 Why is this a problem? 22:29 Well, this is a problem in our industrialized countries 22:34 because the arteries especially the ones 22:39 that are good and are the ones nourishing 22:42 the heart starts, they start to block up, 22:45 they start to close. Okay. 22:46 And that is not good, 22:48 you know, perfect health depends 22:51 upon perfect circulation, you know, 22:53 this is a saying that you should write in a little card 22:55 and repeat it over and over. 22:57 Yeah! And because this happens 23:02 to your arteries they start to close 23:05 and to close and to close and to close. 23:08 The problem with this is that many times 23:11 the person is not aware that this is happening to them. 23:14 Okay. In our practice how many times, 23:19 over and over we tell our patient, 23:22 okay, you need to this and this and this and this, 23:24 you need to make this change. 23:26 And they say no, I don't want to because 23:28 I feel great doctor, you know, why, 23:30 why should I change you know? 23:33 But they don't realize that 23:35 as these arteries are closing, 23:39 not until they have closed to a 70 % closure 23:43 of those arteries 23:45 that's when the symptoms start to occur. 23:48 About 70 %. That's right, 23:49 so you can be running quiet efficiently at 60 percent. 23:55 There is still a lack of oxygen there, 23:57 it's gonna represent in different ways. 24:00 For example, your blood pressure may go up, why? 24:03 Because, oxygen is not able to get there, 24:06 so the heart says less pump, more blood somehow, 24:10 so that we can send more oxygen there. 24:13 And then symptoms start to appear. 24:16 The person starts walking in the little hill 24:19 and then suddenly, he feels a little pain in his heart. 24:21 That doesn't mean it's a heart attack, 24:23 but that means that the heart is crying, 24:27 saying I need more oxygen, that's what that pain 24:30 in the heart means you know. 24:32 The person rests and then the heart calms down, 24:37 because then it doesn't need 24:38 as much oxygen as it was exercising. Okay. 24:42 Also not only the heart suffers, 24:46 all the internal organs in the body start to suffer 24:50 and organ very important organ of us, 24:54 the kidneys they need a lot of blood, the legs, 24:58 the person starts to complain, 25:00 oh, when I go for a walk, I feel this pain in my legs, 25:06 you know I didn't use to have these things. 25:08 So those small symptoms start to appear 25:11 depending on where we're closing those arteries. 25:15 So, there will be pain on the arm too, 25:17 or just the legs, or where is it. 25:19 It can be where ever the big blockages 25:23 are starting to happen. I see, okay. 25:25 The problem is that if you've a pain in your arm, 25:28 it's is not as important as when you have the pain 25:31 in your heart, you know. 25:32 Then we're talking about serious issues there, 25:36 because somehow we need to create 25:38 a better circulation there 25:40 and that's where this NEWSTART program enters. 25:42 Sure, sure. A person that comes to this program 25:46 learns the principles and continues to apply 25:49 this principles will find out how many times 25:54 the body is able to start opening up those arteries. 25:59 One thing that we need to watch out, 26:01 it's going to be cholesterol 26:04 and actually all animal products. 26:06 Specially, the cholesterol 26:08 in which there has been oxidation, 26:10 in which the product was exposed to air, 26:14 such as pizza for example, when you are shredding 26:16 and there's a lot of air there, you know. 26:19 So that oxidized cholesterol goes and damages 26:23 that artery and the body in order to help you, 26:27 it's eats that bad cholesterol 26:29 and it accumulates that and that is where 26:31 it's starting to close and close those arteries. 26:34 So watch out what you eat and make wise choices. 26:38 Amen, yes that's it for sure. 26:41 For those who want information about this, 26:42 you can visit our website at newstart.com. 26:45 Come and join us here. 26:46 Thank you, for being with us today and God bless. 26:56 Modern views of evolution stem all the way back 26:59 to theories developed in the mid-eighteen hundreds. 27:02 Out of this same time period came ideas that shape 27:05 our educational system today. 27:08 The common school movement for example, 27:10 saw schools more like a factory with students 27:14 blindly memorizing instructions, 27:15 rather than thinking for themselves. 27:18 Their curriculum was rigid and theoretical, 27:21 instead of being flexible and practical, 27:23 that was designed to conform the individual 27:26 into a specific ideological mould, 27:29 that fit the needs of an old industrial era, 27:31 long since past. 27:34 Just like our view of creation 27:36 in six literal days, we believe the Bible, 27:39 contains an educational blueprint, 27:42 radically different from the one we see now. 27:57 Well friends, that's it for today. 27:59 Pick up the phone and give us a call at 800-525-9192. 28:05 Have a wonderful day and God bless. |
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