Participants: Ron Giannoni (Host), Alberta Sampson
Series Code: NSN
Program Code: NSN000049
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00:24 Hi friends, and welcome to
00:25 another edition of NEWSTART Now. 00:27 We have in our studio today 00:29 Ann Sampson. 00:31 Ann came to us about 17 days ago with 00:35 a lot of different ailments. 00:36 I'd like to take a look at 00:38 that clip right now. 00:39 Could we look at that? 00:41 In 2003, I passed out 00:44 and didn't know why, 00:46 and I got sicker and sicker during that week, 00:49 and my husband decided to take me to the emergency room. 00:52 When they found that I had lymphoma, 00:56 and they said I had bone cancer, 00:59 they started the treatments right away. 01:02 And of course I'm upset, and I'm crying. 01:05 It's like... 01:07 I just buried my sister-in-law less than, 01:10 less than a year. 01:12 And she lived with me, 01:14 and it was just 01:16 more than I could take at that time. 01:19 What I would like to accomplish is to... 01:21 there's several things. 01:23 First of all, I'd like to be taken off my meds, 01:26 because they make me sick, 01:28 and they make me sleepy, and they make me tired, 01:29 and I have no quality of life. 01:31 The second thing 01:33 that I would want is 01:36 to be able to walk. 01:37 I was very athletic as a young person, 01:40 and I played ball, basketball, in high school. 01:42 and college, and that's 01:43 why I had to have the knees replacement. 01:45 But I was very active all my life. 01:47 And then for this to happen to me, 01:50 it would be just, 01:52 to be able to go out and just play with my grandkids, 01:55 to take them to the park and run, 01:56 or to play ball, 01:58 that would be my second goal. 01:59 And my third goal 02:01 would be to lose weight, 02:03 and to get back to the weight that I should be. 02:07 Welcome back friends, and in our studio, 02:10 Ann - how are you? 02:12 I'm fine. - Welcome. 02:13 Thank you. 02:14 We have some really fabulous results 02:18 that Ann's going to share with us. 02:20 And I don't know what's the top of your list, 02:24 but let's start with medication. 02:27 I know that when you came here 02:29 you were taking 9 different 02:31 or 10 different medications. 02:33 Is this true? 02:34 I was taking 9... 02:35 I was taking 7 different medications, but I was taking 02:38 2 of them twice a day. 02:39 So 9 different times in the day. 02:42 Yeah, I was taking medication. 02:44 And I'm sure you're taking at least 8 or 9 now. 02:47 No. I'm taking one now. 02:49 You're taking one now? 02:50 Yes, I'm taking one pill now. 02:52 You know, Ann, it just never 02:55 ceases to amaze me 02:57 how the Lord works. 02:59 And we have people like yourself who come here 03:02 taking 9 or 10... 03:03 We had a guy taking 25 medications once! 03:07 I couldn't imagine. 03:08 I can't either. 03:09 But here you are. Tell us about... 03:11 Tell us first of all about the one medication you're taking. 03:14 The one medication I'm taking is for congestive heart failure, 03:17 my cardiomyopathy. 03:20 I'll probably have to stay on that for a little bit, not long. 03:24 But I was taken off some of 03:26 the other heart medications I was on. 03:27 About four of those I was taking away, 03:30 for the heart specifically. 03:33 And I just feel so much better. 03:36 I knew that I was ill all the time, 03:38 and I didn't have enough energy to do anything. 03:41 But then I found that 03:43 when I came here, 03:45 Doctor Lukens, going through my meds and everything, 03:47 we were just dropping them one by one, 03:50 and finally realized which one 03:52 was really making me the sickest. 03:54 - And that was? That was a pill called Coreg. 03:57 And it was making me feel lethargic, 04:00 my shoulders were hurting, 04:01 my back, I was having pain. 04:04 So I was having the side effects from the medication. 04:06 And I was just told before, 04:09 "Just keep taking your meds," you know, 04:11 even with all my complaints. 04:13 So Doctor Lukens really listened to me, 04:16 and that's what I like about NEWSTART. 04:18 It's not just, 04:19 "I'll see you in 15 minutes and you're out of my office." 04:22 It was like, I have a question, 04:24 let's talk about it. 04:26 Sometimes I was even like, 04:27 "Okay Doctor Lukens, I gotta go walk." 04:29 And, "No, I gotta give you a little more information." 04:31 And I really do appreciate the support that I got from him. 04:35 You know, our previous guest that we interviewed 04:39 said something very similar. 04:41 And his doctor at home, 04:44 back in Missouri where he's from, 04:46 I think it was Missouri... 04:48 He said he'd go in to visit his doctor, 04:50 which was my experience too, 04:52 and they'd take 10 or 15 minutes with you at best, 04:55 if they had the time. 04:57 But here, today, 05:00 I think it was Doctor DeRose 05:02 spent an hour with this gentleman. 05:05 And how long were your office visits? 05:09 When I go home, 05:10 when I'm at my doctor's office, 05:12 and my cardiologist right now is a major... 05:15 My oncologist is just wonderful. 05:17 He spends long times with me. 05:19 But my cardiologist, right now 05:21 I don't even really see him 05:22 unless I'm having a procedure done, 05:24 because I see his physician assistant. 05:27 And sometimes, you know, 05:29 I just feel like I'm not... 05:31 nobody's listening 05:33 to how I'm really feeling. 05:34 "Oh, take this pill, add this pill on. 05:37 It's gonna take care of that problem." 05:39 And it doesn't. But when I came here, 05:41 not only do I see Doctor Lukens in the office, 05:45 and he sometimes will spend a half an hour, 05:48 45 minutes with me, 05:49 whatever he feels like I need, 05:50 and I guess he looks at me that day and kinda knows. 05:53 And we're just struggling to help 05:56 my heart rate, it's very rapid. 05:58 I can walk somewhere and it will be, 05:59 you know, a hundred, and 06:02 he just explained to me why. 06:05 And I really appreciate that. 06:07 Now I'm not worried about it 06:09 because I know it's a process. 06:11 It's not something that's wrong, it's just a process. 06:15 Now you were also able to eat with the doctor? 06:17 Oh yeah, and walk with the doctor. 06:20 And walk with the doctor. 06:22 And so, aside from the 45 minute 06:25 visitation or whatever, the appointments, 06:29 you got to spend 10 or 15 minutes walking with him, 06:33 a half hour to an hour eating lunch, 06:36 and at those times you got to ask a lot of questions. 06:39 Right, and he will just come up sometimes and say, "You okay?" 06:42 And you know, "Do you need anything, 06:43 or you have any questions?" 06:46 Or if I'm eating something, 06:47 even with the dietician, if I have a question, 06:50 she's in the cafeteria, 06:51 so I can ask her about my diet. 06:55 And it's just, it's so relaxing, 06:58 because people tell you... 07:00 I had a doctor tell me one time, "Just do vegan." 07:02 Okay. - What does that mean? 07:04 I go to Loma Linda. 07:05 He said, "Here's a couple books. Read these books." 07:07 And I'm like, "Oh. Right. 07:09 I'm gonna read all those books?" 07:10 But when I came here, 07:13 now I really... 07:14 I mean, I've been vegetarian when I was growing up, 07:16 quite a few years, 07:17 but I understand now how it's done. 07:20 And I can eat it, 07:22 and still get the protein and the vitamins that I need. 07:25 I eat two meals a day. 07:27 - Breakfast and lunch? I don't eat at night. 07:30 And I'm not hungry! - No? 07:31 And when I get up in the morning 07:33 it's almost like, "Oh, I have to eat?" 07:35 So I go walking before I eat. 07:37 But it's an experience that would help anybody, 07:40 if you have anything wrong with you, 07:42 or you just need to come and just 07:45 get in touch with yourself again. 07:46 This is the perfect place to be, 07:48 because everybody is just very friendly. 07:52 You don't feel like.... 07:53 When I walked in first day, I was like, 07:55 "Oh, by myself, I don't know anybody..." 07:57 But immediately, I felt at home. 08:00 When I walked through the door, I just felt at home. 08:04 Now did you make some friends here? 08:05 Oh yes, made lots of friends here. 08:07 Lots of friends, a lot of walking friends! 08:10 A lot of walking friends, like little June. 08:13 Yes, June, uh-huh. "You want to walk?" 08:15 Not really, but, "Okay, let's go!" 08:18 You know, you've just finished three miles. 08:20 She used to ask me. "No, I don't want to walk!" 08:22 "Okay, let's go walk." 08:23 Because I knew it was... 08:25 She doesn't take no for an answer. 08:26 And when I first got here, 08:27 I really needed the encouragement, 08:29 because I didn't even really know that I could walk. 08:31 I would go up 15 flights at my home, 08:34 and I'm at the top of the steps just breathing hard. 08:37 So I texted my daughter the first time I walked two miles. 08:39 I said, "I walked two miles today!" 08:41 She texted me back and said, 08:43 "I'd love to be a fly on the wall." 08:45 Because I just, I had no energy. 08:48 And it is... Everybody that calls me says, 08:51 "Oh, you sound so great!" 08:52 - You do! Yeah. 08:54 When I watched you on the first interview, 08:56 just a moment ago, 08:57 and now, there's just a significant change. 09:01 Well, there's hope! - Yes. 09:03 And I know what it is now. - Yes. 09:05 I know what it is now. - Yes. 09:07 I'd like to do a sermon on hope. 09:10 -Oh yes. Because it's just a... 09:12 During an interview on 3ABN, by the way, 09:15 Shelley Quinn asked my wife, 09:19 "What did you see that was going on 09:20 while Ron was going through the NEWSTART program?" 09:24 She said, "Shelley, I saw him have, 09:27 for the first time, he had hope." 09:30 And that's what I want our viewers to know, 09:33 that there is hope. 09:35 They don't have to live like they're living now. 09:37 And you're not by yourself. 09:39 - Yes. You're not by yourself. 09:41 So what else? Is there cooking? 09:43 Oh, my creatine, my... 09:47 I have to tell you about this. 09:48 My creatinine is pretty much normal now, 09:52 which is my kidneys, they're doing great. 09:55 I'm holding my red cells, 09:57 because I have lymphoma and leukemia, 09:59 and I'm just holding those red cells, 10:01 and in fact, they went up. 10:03 Alright! - They went up. 10:06 I think one of the things that I really enjoyed the most 10:09 was the hydrotherapy. 10:11 I enjoyed it because I knew it was going to increase my... 10:14 - We're running out of time. Okay. 10:16 I'm going to have to say goodbye right now. 10:18 - Thank you very much. Thank you for coming, 10:20 Friends, don't go away! We'll be right back. 10:23 Well, you've done very well. 10:31 Do you have diabetes, 10:33 heart disease, high blood pressure, 10:35 or do you weigh too much? 10:38 Hi, my name is Dr. Ing, 10:39 and I'd like to tell you 10:40 about our 18-day NEWSTART lifestyle program. 10:44 It includes a comprehensive medical evaluation 10:47 with laboratory studies and an exercise stress test, 10:51 physician consultations, 10:53 culinary school, 10:55 and an opportunity to walk on beautiful trails 10:58 in the foothills of the Sierras. 11:02 Your health is one of the most 11:03 important things that you have. Don't wait. 11:06 Give us a call at: 11:10 Or visit our website: 11:29 Welcome back friends, and in our studio 11:31 with us right now is Doctor Lukens. 11:34 How are you? Man, you've got a grip! 11:36 Very glad to be here again. 11:39 Talk about patience. - Yes! 11:42 And praise our Lord for the healing that he gives all of us 11:47 just by simply following some basic principles, 11:51 and that's what we're going to be talking about, and Ann, 11:55 and the changes that she's been through. 11:57 But tell us about this cardiomyopathy 12:02 that she has had and that she's been dealing with. 12:05 Well it's very interesting, because she is a person 12:09 who had a heart that was enlarging, 12:14 and she was actually getting anginal pain. 12:17 And she works in a cardiac situation. 12:21 It's very interesting, because all of these 12:23 different tests and modalities and everything are there. 12:28 And she kept having this problem, 12:32 and they would do angiograms on her, 12:34 and they would find eventually that her arteries were open. 12:38 - And nothing was showing up that would...? 12:41 Yeah, she wasn't having really 12:44 badly plugged-up arteries, and so why all this pain? 12:47 Well, they find out that she has a large, 12:51 kind of a, the best way to describe it 12:53 would be a large, flabby heart. 12:55 And that's the reason why she was swelling up, 12:58 and even when she came here 13:00 on all the medications that she was on, 13:03 she was having trouble when she was trying to exercise. 13:06 And that -- she'll tell you about it. 13:09 That is going away, and she's thrilled about it. 13:12 Yes, yes. 13:14 What about the diabetes now? 13:15 I understand that she's no longer taking the medication. 13:20 Well, fortunately in her situation, 13:22 because diabetes is such a terrible thing 13:25 on the small blood vessels that are in the heart 13:29 and the brain and the kidneys and so forth, 13:31 hers was early. 13:33 So she didn't have that 13:36 problem that she had been struggling with for years. 13:39 Although a diabetic, they say, on average may have 13:44 diabetes for about five years before they finally 13:48 realize they have that, 13:50 and something goes bad, like their eyes. 13:53 They can't see very well. 13:56 Sometimes that's just the swelling of the lens 13:59 because the sugar is so high. 14:01 Or they might have pain in their feet. 14:04 And she did have some of the neuropathy, 14:07 but fortunately hers was early. 14:09 But it's interesting that, 14:10 coming back to this cardiomyopathy thing, 14:13 Usually there's about three different ways 14:16 that you get that. 14:18 One of the most commonly thought is a viral situation, 14:24 and that's what Dr. Robert Adkins blamed his on. 14:29 You also get it from being an alcoholic. 14:35 You don't get the right nutrition, and that's a problem. 14:39 But you also get it from eating a poor diet, 14:44 having your tiny little arteries plugged up. 14:48 Eating the standard American diet 14:50 is eventually going to close up those tiny, tiny little arteries 14:55 right at the level of where the myocardium 14:58 or the muscle cells are. 15:00 They're starved for oxygenated blood, 15:03 and then the heart will get bigger and flabbier, 15:07 and it'll just keep on going that way. 15:09 That's the way Doctor Adkins' heart did, as well. 15:12 Now, apparently, she was not exercising, 15:16 and this is something we've introduced to her now, 15:19 and she's doing much, much better. 15:21 Well, not exercising, yes. 15:24 But I mean, when you go out and you try to do anything, 15:26 like just walk across the room or whatever, 15:29 and you're short of breath, that... 15:31 Yeah, she described how immobile she was actually getting, 15:35 - She had a shortness of breath. 15:37 Yes she did, and even when she came here, 15:41 with all the medications that she was on, 15:43 she was still short of breath. 15:46 I think the other day... She'll tell you about it. 15:48 I think she was able to walk up to the water tower, 15:51 which is kind of the "gold standard," you know. 15:53 And she was able to do that. - That's about a mile walk, 15:56 from down, from the lodge 15:59 to the water tower and back, isn't it? 16:02 But it's up -- that the thing, you know. 16:03 When you're able to do the water tower, then you've arrived. 16:06 When I came through the program, 16:08 I wasn't about to do the water... 16:10 I couldn't even walk around Half-Mile Loop, 16:12 let alone go up there. 16:14 So I can appreciate those attempts to do that. 16:18 Yeah, there's happy, happy thoughts that you get. 16:21 The other thing is that, not everybody has this, 16:24 because I'll ask. 16:25 But when you're on a beta blocker, 16:27 sometimes you have the feeling that you're just, 16:32 you just can't perform, you're just... 16:34 You feel tired, you feel lethargic, 16:38 because it blocks the adrenalin 16:42 that our bodies normally use 16:47 for our heart to pump faster and to pump stronger. 16:50 So when you start to get up, 16:52 your heart rate's going to speed up a little bit, 16:55 and that's going to help you with the adrenalin to do this. 16:59 And it blocks that, so sometimes people 17:01 will really feel very lethargic. 17:07 And she was bothered by that, 17:09 so she's happy to be getting off of these medications. 17:12 What about her weight? 17:14 And I know, we've talked about this before. 17:17 The weight isn't the most important thing, 17:20 but for those of us coming through the program, 17:22 we want to lose a lot of weight. 17:24 And as you said earlier before our interview, 17:28 You said, "You know, people think that 17:30 because they lose weight, they're going to look 17:32 like they did when they were 20." 17:35 If we could do that, wow -- 17:36 we'd have everybody trying to lose weight! 17:38 Yeah, that would truly be the fountain of youth. 17:41 Yeah, and sometimes people, as they go along, 17:46 folks will -- and this has happened, 17:49 folks will look at them and say, "Are you feeling well?" 17:54 Almost like, "Do you think maybe you're dying?" 17:59 You know, this kind of stuff. 18:01 And it's really sad, because we're used to 18:04 seeing people a little bit more corporal, 18:09 a little bit heavier. 18:11 And when you do lose weight, unfortunately, 18:14 you lose it in your face, 18:16 and wrinkles show up and stuff like that. 18:19 I don't want anybody out there to say, 18:21 "Whoa, I'm not going to do this, 18:23 because I don't want to look old," 18:25 but that's part of it. 18:27 Well, some folks told me I was looking rather lean 18:31 when I was losing all the weight I lost. 18:34 And I think it was you that said, 18:36 "Don't worry about what these people are saying 18:39 about how you look. Let's keep getting healthy." 18:43 Yeah, that's exactly right. 18:44 So, any recommendations for people who are suffering 18:48 these same conditions as Ann? 18:51 Anything you can tell them, our viewers? 18:55 It's going back to circulation. 19:00 If you have good circulation, you can have good health. 19:05 If you have poor circulation, 19:07 you're going to have poor health. 19:10 And that's just the way it is. 19:12 I'm the one that always keeps coming back to that. 19:15 The tiny little arteries will open up for you 19:18 when you're on the vegan-vegetarian diet, 19:22 the simple, natural foods as they come from the earth. 19:25 And when you do that, 19:27 and it starts within three days, 19:30 they start opening up, 19:32 then we see these marvelous things, 19:34 and we keep talking about that, I keep talking about it. 19:37 And when the circulation goes into your heart, 19:40 and those things start getting healthy again... 19:42 And we see this many, many times with the cardiomyopathies. 19:46 In fact, most of the time, I could say. 19:49 Eventually the heart gets stronger. 19:51 I've had people that are in the emergency room 19:55 two or three times a month, 19:57 and they're just struggling, and after that it's a miracle. 20:01 It's a miracle of God's grace, 20:03 His healing power, 20:04 to do this because He loves you, 20:07 and He wants to show you what He will do 20:10 when you follow the wonderful, 20:12 simple health remedies that He's given. 20:15 Now, for our viewers, 20:18 you can certainly come to our NEWSTART program. 20:21 Which, we have a program each and every month 20:24 that lasts 18 days, 20:26 and we welcome you to call us at: 20:33 Perhaps you can talk to Doctor Lukens or myself, 20:36 or one of our guest services representatives, 20:40 and get yourself up here real quick 20:42 so we can help you, as well. 20:44 It's really neat with Ann, you know, 20:46 Her face, I mean, it looks healthier, 20:48 because the circulation goes into her face, too. 20:51 And she's just happy! 20:54 She's just happy about this. 20:56 And I've been talking with her here and there 20:59 since she's come through the program, 21:02 and she seems to be quite elated about 21:05 the progress that she's making. 21:08 We want to thank you for that, Doc. 21:10 - Well, it's not me, for sure. 21:12 Well, you're there. 21:13 I want to thank you for joining us here in the studio. 21:16 I love this. I want people to realize 21:20 what can happen when you do it. 21:22 And thank you for joining us, but don't go away! 21:25 We have an important message for you right now. 21:42 Hello, and welcome to NEWSTART at Home. 21:44 We're glad that you've joined us from your home today, 21:47 and we're also glad today to have in the studio with us 21:50 Dr. David DeRose. 21:52 He is a staff physician here at Weimar, 21:55 at the NEWSTART program, but he's also 21:57 a doctor of internal medicine, which means he can 22:00 take care of sickness and disease, the internal organs, 22:02 and he's a doctor of preventive medicine, 22:05 how to prevent problems. 22:06 And today we're going to talk... 22:08 By the way, welcome Doctor DeRose. 22:09 Thanks, Don. 22:11 We're going to talk today about alcohol, 22:13 moderate drinking. 22:14 A lot of people have a lot of opinions they share. 22:17 Some people even use a Bible text. 22:19 "A little bit of wine is good 22:20 for the stomach's sake," they'll say. 22:22 And they'll use that all to say, 22:24 "You have to tip a little bit to 22:26 do better and tip the scales of health towards 22:31 something that's positive." What do you say? 22:33 Well, we don't want to get into a lengthy 22:35 biblical discourse today, Don, 22:38 but there are other people taking the biblical record. 22:41 They recognize that some of the ways we translate words today 22:46 was not necessarily the intent of the Bible writers. 22:49 Wine, grape juice -- very same word in the Greek, for example. 22:53 But having said that, let's just talk about the science 22:57 and focus on this whole issue of moderate drinking. 23:00 Some years ago, I was at a gathering, 23:02 actually the largest gathering of public health 23:05 and preventive medicine professionals in the world -- 23:07 the American Public Health Association's annual meeting. 23:10 And they actually had a debate 23:12 where there were two experts speaking about the dangers 23:16 of moderate drinking, and two other experts 23:19 supposedly speaking about the benefits. 23:21 Just framing it in the way of a debate, 23:23 you'd think, well, it must be pretty controversial. 23:26 But what I found very interesting is 23:28 those siding with alcohol were basically people 23:31 that were being paid by the alcohol industry. 23:33 And they were trying to tell us there at the convention 23:36 that alcohol was good for your heart. 23:38 So they could sell more alcohol. 23:41 No doubt, but actually there is some data 23:43 that suggests the average American 23:45 with his or her poor fruit and vegetable consumption habits 23:50 may actually get some heart preventive benefit 23:54 from moderate drinking. 23:55 I'm not going to disparage the research. 23:57 And so there is some ground for this. 23:59 But Don, what most people don't realize 24:01 and what the alcohol industry has never said, 24:03 at least never in any statement I've seen, 24:05 is that if you're eating plenty of fruits and vegetables, 24:08 that alcohol does not help your heart a bit. 24:10 We know this from the Oxford vegetarian study. 24:13 They found those individuals eating 24:15 lots of fruits and vegetables -- 24:16 no benefit from alcohol, 24:18 but all the side effects of alcohol. 24:21 Don, even if alcohol helped everybody's heart, 24:24 if someone read the product insert on alcohol 24:28 as a pharmaceutical, 24:30 - They would never take it. They wouldn't! 24:31 Seventy-six million people in the world, 24:34 according to the World Health Organization, 24:36 have alcohol use disorders. 24:38 And you look at some of the leading killers in the world, 24:41 things like cirrhosis of the liver, 24:43 esophageal cancer, homicide... 24:47 You look at things like epilepsy, 24:48 maybe not a leading killer, but causing 24:50 a lot of what we call morbidity, suffering... 24:52 Twenty to thirty percent of all those 24:55 illnesses are related to alcohol! 24:58 So moderate drinking, while it might help your heart, 25:00 doesn't help your head, and you lose 25:02 your ability to reason well, 25:05 and also a lot of physical effects. 25:07 It's a huge problem. 25:09 A huge problem worldwide. 25:11 The World Health Organization and other experts 25:13 are realizing this. 25:14 It's not a health habit. 25:16 And I would say, it really is not going to help your heart 25:19 if you just hear the message 25:20 "Eat more fruits and vegetables." 25:22 So in other words, a little wine 25:25 is not good for the stomach's sake. 25:26 But I mean, I might hasten to add on that text. 25:28 I recently read a book that was looking at that text, 25:32 and in that text, it's interesting that 25:35 that "little wine" was like you said, 25:37 grape juice that had been concentrated, 25:40 and it was concentrated and kept 25:41 so it could be reconstituted later. 25:43 And it is true, it will calm your stomach down. 25:46 But this was not alcohol. 25:47 It wouldn't go along with the positive. 25:50 So a little wine of the right kind is good, 25:53 which would be grape juice. - Exactly. 25:55 But, what you're saying is, 25:56 if it's got alcohol in it, 25:57 a little dab will not do you. It's not good. 26:01 How much alcohol do we let pilots drink 26:03 while they're flying a plane? - None. 26:05 They say, what is it? Eight hours 26:06 from the bottle to the throttle? 26:08 It might be 72. 26:09 They want their blood alcohol level to be 0, the FAA. 26:12 And if it's important for a pilot flying a plane, 26:15 how important is it for us spiritually 26:16 in all the decisions we make? - That's right. 26:19 We've been talking with Dr. David DeRose, 26:21 and this has been a fascinating study, 26:23 but I'm sure you might want to look 26:25 for more information on our website: 26:28 We're glad you joined us today, 26:30 and I hope you take this seriously that 26:31 moderate alcohol of any kind is just not the answer. 26:35 Thank you for joining us, 26:36 and thank you, Doctor DeRose, for joining us. 26:38 We hope that as a result of today's program 26:40 you have a new start. 26:49 Modern views of evolution stem all the way back 26:52 to theories developed in the mid-1800s. 26:55 Out of the same time period came ideas that shape 26:58 our educational system today. 27:01 The Common School Movement, for example, 27:04 saw schools more like a factory, 27:06 with students blindly memorizing instruction 27:09 rather than thinking for themselves. 27:11 Their curriculum was rigid and theoretical. 27:13 Instead of being flexible and practical, 27:16 it was designed to conform the individual 27:19 into a specific ideological mold 27:22 that fit the needs of an old industrial era 27:24 long since passed. 27:27 Just like our view of creation in six literal days, 27:30 we believe the Bible contains an educational blueprint 27:35 radically different from the one we see now. 27:50 Well, friends, that's it for today. 27:52 I hope you enjoyed the show. 27:54 But pick up that phone right now and give us a call at: |
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