Participants: Ron Giannoni (Host), Renee Thomason
Series Code: NSN
Program Code: NSN000047
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00:24 Hi folks, and welcome to another edition of NEWSTART Now.
00:27 We have a special guest in our studio today, 00:31 Renee Thomason, who arrived at 00:34 our NEWSTART program about two weeks ago. 00:37 And I'd like to show you that clip of when she first got here. 00:42 I've been sick for about five years. 00:44 I have fibromyalgia and panic attacks, 00:48 and I also have seizure-like convulsions 00:52 that are non-epileptic. 00:54 I chose the NEWSTART program because 00:56 I don't like my doctor giving me medicines 00:59 and saying, "If you take this medicine 01:01 and it makes you better, 01:03 then that's what you have. 01:04 But if it doesn't work, then we'll try something else." 01:07 Because every medicine has some side effect 01:10 that you have to have another medicine for, 01:12 and it's just more and more pills. 01:14 I didn't like that. 01:16 I wanted something that could actually 01:18 help me in the long term 01:20 so I could have a good life. 01:22 I would like to achieve something that's lasting. 01:26 I've had a lot of bursts of hope, 01:28 but none of it lasted. 01:30 I just kept having to start over again and again, 01:32 and I think that here I could start something 01:35 that could last longer. 01:40 Hi friends, welcome back. 01:42 In our studio, Renee. How are you, young lady? 01:45 Hello. - You look so wonderful! 01:49 Well thank you. I feel wonderful. 01:51 Good. 01:53 First thing I've got to ask you, 01:55 any attacks, any panic? 01:57 Any episodes of any kind? 02:00 You know, I had no panic attacks. 02:03 I had a couple of minor seizure-like symptoms, 02:08 but those passed fairly quickly. 02:10 - Nothing severe? 02:12 Yeah, it seems like they're lessening. 02:14 Wonderful. 02:15 Tell us a little about 02:18 what you've been doing since you got here, 02:20 like two weeks ago this past Sunday. 02:23 Well, I've been walking a lot, 02:25 a little more each day, 02:26 eating wonderful food. 02:28 I really enjoy the meals here. 02:32 Hanging out with my doctor. 02:34 And your doctor is Doctor Ing? 02:36 Yes. 02:38 And what do you mean by 'hanging out'? 02:39 Tell our viewers what you mean by that, because 02:41 when I used to go to my doctor 02:44 outside in the world, 02:46 I'd spend about 2 or 3 minutes with him and that was about it. 02:50 How is that differing here? 02:52 Well, the doctor goes for a walk with me after we're done, 02:56 but I've noticed that both of the doctors are very 03:00 open and they listen, they look us in the eye. 03:04 They play with us, joke around, 03:06 but they're also very serious about helping us. 03:08 - I enjoy it. 03:09 And you feel you've gotten that help. 03:12 Aside from the walking, what else do you do here? 03:17 Some of our viewers have called me and said, 03:19 "Can you please ask some of the guests to tell 03:23 the viewers what you do." 03:26 I know you do more than walk. 03:28 I know you do a lot of that, by the way. 03:30 Oh yes. I try to get in like 03:33 4 or 5 different short walking periods. 03:36 because that's what my exercise counselor told me to do 03:39 to increase my walking, 03:41 and it's helped so much. 03:43 Last year I tried to get, 03:44 when I was feeling a little bit better, 03:45 tried to get my walking up, 03:47 and I ended up taking about 3 months to get up to 2 miles. 03:51 And I've been here.... 03:52 Let's see, I got up to 2 miles in 03:55 somewhere near the end of the first week 03:57 that I was here, just doing it that way. 03:59 So it's been very helpful. 04:01 Besides walking, there's cooking classes, 04:04 there's rock painting, if you want to do that. 04:08 We've had puzzles, 04:09 had a lot of fun hanging out with the other guests. 04:11 There's lots of lectures, very informative lectures, 04:17 - Have you made new friends? Oh yeah. 04:21 With staff, or guests, or both? 04:24 Oh, both, definitely both. 04:26 I've had tours of the schools. 04:28 because I'm a teacher, 04:29 and so I wanted to see what they were like. 04:33 And what do you think of our schools? 04:35 Well, I think they'd be more fun with the kids in them, 04:37 since I toured them without. 04:39 Without. The kids weren't there at the time. 04:42 And for the viewers, we have a college, 04:44 we have an academy, and we have a grade school. 04:48 And the grade school just recently 04:50 started up a few months back. 04:53 Okay, so you've been to cooking classes, 04:57 you've been walking, you've been to see the doctor, 05:00 you're painting some rocks... 05:02 You forgot about hydrotherapy. - Oh, and hydrotherapy! 05:04 That's my favorite! 05:06 I don't know how I forgot that one. 05:09 How could you forget that? That was one of my favorites. 05:12 It is, and I think that's one of the ones that 05:14 has helped me a lot as far as pain reduction. 05:17 And where were you feeling this pain? 05:20 Now tell us a little... 05:22 I know you were telling me something about 05:23 the numbness in your fingers and your feet. 05:26 When I was telling you about 05:28 the sores and the numbness in my hands and feet, 05:31 I didn't tell you that I only realized those 05:35 after the pain went away. 05:37 You know how they have a pain scale at the doctor's office 05:41 that goes from, you know... 05:42 One is you feel hardly any pain, 05:45 and 9 or 10 is you can't hardly bear it anymore. 05:50 Well, I was probably when I got here 05:52 somewhere around a 6 or a 7 on the pain scale. 05:55 The main, most painful areas were usually 05:59 my neck and shoulders and back. 06:01 I had a really bad spot in my low back. 06:04 But as I started walking we found that 06:08 I would start to ache really bad in my legs. 06:13 And that was one of the reasons 06:14 why I had to stop my stress test. 06:16 And through the hydro treatments... 06:20 When they heard that the walking hurt, 06:22 they just gave me a different kind of a treatment. 06:24 They did this thing called leg contrasts. 06:26 And that was amazing. 06:28 The first time I had a hydro, 06:30 it lasted for about 15 minutes that I was 06:34 extremely lowered in pain. 06:37 I was probably down at a 4. 06:39 And then it came back. 06:41 And then each time it went longer 06:43 and longer that I had less pain. 06:46 And now, if I had to tell you what my pain scale was, 06:49 do you think you could guess? 06:50 No. What is it? 06:52 Today it's about a 1 or a 2. 06:54 Really? Well, good. 06:56 So now I can shake your hand 06:57 and squeeze it and you'll feel it. 06:59 Yes, I will feel it today! 07:02 Because now that I realize there's no pain, 07:04 now I'm seeing that some of the other things are going away, 07:07 like I'm starting to get more feeling back, 07:10 being able to touch something and know that it's hot. 07:12 It's a good thing, and not burning yourself. 07:14 Alright, tell us about... 07:17 because a little birdie told me about your treadmill test, 07:20 It was about 5 minutes long when you got here. 07:23 Tell us about the treadmill you did yesterday. 07:27 Well, yesterday I went 9 minutes 30 seconds. 07:30 Nine minutes...and you could have went further you told me, 07:34 except they were taking it to the next level. 07:36 Yeah, the last 30 seconds was 07:38 the third level of the stress test. 07:41 Just people that have really good health go on that far. 07:45 It was hard for me to keep up, 07:47 like my legs were all moving, and kind of sliding backwards. 07:51 That's amazing! Usually you see people go 07:54 maybe two or three minutes longer. 07:56 You went almost a hundred percent more 08:00 than the first go-around. 08:01 Yeah. It's like four minutes longer. 08:03 So all these things are lending to this healing process. 08:10 And you look so good. Your eyes are clear, 08:13 you seem so happy. 08:15 Of course I'm happy. I feel good! 08:18 Yeah, you feel good! Isn't that wonderful? 08:20 Praise God. 08:24 Well, we're just about done with our interview, 08:27 but I wanted to talk about 08:28 what you're going to do when you get home. 08:31 You live in Idaho, right? - I do. 08:33 Okay. What's your plan of action when you leave here? 08:37 Well, I want to clean out the refrigerator. 08:39 çlaughterÑ That's a must. 08:42 Oh, it is. I'll probably... 08:45 I live with my brother, so I will probably need to make 08:47 a "my" side and a "his" side 08:49 if he doesn't want to do the diet that I'm on, 08:51 because I'm doing the prescribed vegan, 08:56 no oil, half a teaspoon of salt, 08:58 and so... - Good, good. 09:00 That will take a little bit of reorganizing. 09:03 You've been looking for the hidden oils and such? 09:06 Yeah, I thought that I was eating healthy before I came, 09:10 and I've learned a lot being here. 09:12 That's wonderful. 09:14 So are you going to teach your brother this new lifestyle? 09:17 If he wants to know. - Okay, alright. 09:19 Now what did we leave out? 09:23 Who, of all the people that you met here, 09:27 who do you think you're going to miss the most? 09:31 I don't know. 09:33 It would be somewhere between my massage therapist 09:36 and the chaplain. 09:41 We do have a chaplain, and we left her out. 09:44 The guests get to interview with her, 09:48 and open their hearts to her, 09:49 and she's a wonderful lady. 09:51 I'm so pleased you got to meet her. 09:53 But the two of those folks, 09:55 you got some pretty good people to compete with there! 09:59 Yeah. I do have their phone numbers, emails, 10:02 that kind of thing, so I can keep in contact. 10:04 Renee, thank you so much for joining us on the set, 10:07 My prayer is that you continue to get well. 10:10 - Thank you. Yeah. 10:12 And thank you for joining us, folks, 10:14 but don't go away. We have a surprise for you 10:17 with Doctor Ing joining us in just a moment. 10:22 Well, you've done very well. 10:30 Do you have diabetes, 10:31 heart disease, high blood pressure, 10:34 or do you weigh too much? 10:36 Hi, my name is Doctor Ing, and I'd like to tell you 10:39 about our 18-day NEWSTART lifestyle program. 10:42 It includes a comprehensive medical evaluation 10:45 with laboratory studies 10:47 and an exercise stress test, 10:49 physician consultations, 10:51 culinary school, 10:53 and an opportunity to walk on beautiful trails 10:56 in the foothills of the Sierras. 11:00 Your health is one of the most 11:02 important things that you have. Don't wait. 11:04 Give us a call at: 11:09 Or visit our website: 11:28 Welcome back, friends, and as I promised, 11:30 we have Dr. Clarence Ing. 11:32 How are you, Doctor? - Great, Ron. 11:34 It's always good to see you. Good to be here. 11:36 Now, Doctor Ing, you are the 11:38 medical director here at the NEWSTART program at Weimar. 11:41 Yes, I am. 11:42 How long have you been here? 11:44 Well, I've been here more than 12 years, 11:46 and it's been an amazing and awesome 12 years, 11:49 seeing how people come here feeling 11:53 less than well, sick and tired. 11:56 Sometimes they say, 11:58 "Are you sick and tired of being sick and tired?" 11:59 They say, "Well how did you know?" 12:01 So I say, well, many people come here like that, 12:04 and I've seen that transformation that takes place 12:06 as they change their lifestyles 12:10 and learn to eat properly and exercise, 12:14 and the blessings of God. 12:16 Because really, truly, He is the source 12:17 of all healing and restoration. 12:19 - Amen. 12:20 Now I know you were somewhere before here. 12:23 Was that Singapore, where you did lifestyle in Singapore? 12:27 Right. We were in Singapore between 1982 and 1997. 12:31 Had a marvelous time there working with the people there. 12:35 introducing them to the same concepts 12:38 and seeing similar results. 12:40 So you've had 30 years of doing this kind of medicine. 12:46 Yeah. Actually, probably now 32, 12:49 because I started doing this in 1978, 12:51 and it's been a very rewarding experience. 12:56 I can't thank the Lord enough for 12:59 opening my vision to see this, 13:01 in addition to ophthalmology, 13:03 because I enjoy ophthalmology. 13:05 I know. You've checked my eyes on several occasions. 13:08 And I want to get right into this 13:10 interview that we did with Renee. 13:13 Tell us a little bit about how you, as a doctor, 13:18 were able to help facilitate her change. 13:23 Well, fibromyalgia is a condition which, 13:27 when I went to medical school, 13:28 we never heard about. 13:30 And in the last 20 or so years, 13:33 20 to 25 years, it's something that has been recognized. 13:37 Called it the fibromyalgia syndrome I guess, 13:40 and that's because the patients, they have pain, 13:43 and the pain is real. 13:45 And they check and examine the patients, 13:49 and you look for physical causes of the pain, 13:53 and they rule out all the possible causes. 13:57 The patients still have pain, and they really haven't found 13:59 what we call any physical or organic cause. 14:02 But when we work with patients like this 14:06 in our experience here at Weimar, we've found that 14:09 with the NEWSTART-type program, 14:11 nutrition, exercise, water, 14:13 sunshine, temperance, air, 14:15 rest, and trust in God, 14:16 and nutrition being a plant-based diet, 14:20 whole plant foods, 14:22 that with the hydrotherapy and the massage 14:26 and the gentle exercise, 14:27 there's significant dramatic improvement. 14:29 We see it time and time again. 14:31 Patients come here with many different types of medications, 14:35 and so much pain, 14:37 and by the time they get to the end of the program, 14:40 the pain is either gone or it's... 14:43 The patients are just like, they're walking, 14:45 and they may have a very little bit left. 14:47 It's just remarkable when you 14:51 follow the rules of health 14:54 and you obey the rules of health, 14:56 that you can confidently ask the Lord, say, "Lord, 14:59 please provide the blessings 15:01 that come with following Your rules." 15:04 And we see it. 15:05 And the people are just overjoyed with the response. 15:08 You can see that in Renee! 15:10 I mean, when I first met her 15:12 during our first evening, 15:16 when I get to meet the guests and we talk to them 15:19 and we give a few examples of patients, 15:22 she sat in the back of the room 15:24 and she was there very quiet, 15:26 and she raised her hand and said, "Well, 15:29 have you had any experience 15:31 working with people with fibromyalgia?" 15:34 because this was her concern. 15:35 And I said, "Yes, we have." 15:37 And the really wonderful thing about it is 15:40 that the patients who've come here with fibromyalgia, 15:43 with this type of approach, 15:45 when they leave, like you said, 15:48 80 to 90 percent of them have almost no pain, 15:51 and the others, it's so dramatically reduced 15:55 they're just overjoyed and really very happy. 15:57 And again, we've seen this happen to her. 15:59 It's slow, but sure, steady progress. 16:02 Well, she looks like a different person. 16:04 - Oh, she is! Yeah, just totally different. 16:07 She's got a radiant smile on her face, 16:09 And when they get here I said, 16:12 "Would you scale your pain? 16:14 Zero is no pain, ten is the worst pain you imagine. 16:18 What was your pain level?" 16:19 And so she would do that, and I think 16:22 she said hers was like, between 7 and 8. 16:25 most of the time. 16:27 And I said, "How about now?" 16:28 And she said, "Well, maybe it's 1 or 2. 16:31 Compared to what it was before it's almost nothing!" 16:36 She said, "I really don't even notice it!" 16:37 And it's true. 16:39 Now, what about... I want to talk-- 16:41 because we don't have a lot of time left, 16:43 but I want to talk briefly about the seizure. 16:45 Were you able to identify 16:48 in any way, was that seizure 16:51 part of a panic attack? 16:53 Were they related? - We really don't know, because 16:55 I don't know that she's ever 16:57 had a work-up to evaluate whether or not she had seizures. 17:00 That was her interpretation. 17:03 So that's something that hasn't been determined, 17:06 but as far as she's concerned, 17:08 after she's been here she really had 17:11 essentially nothing like that. 17:13 I think maybe she had one episode, 17:15 but since then she's done very, very well. 17:17 Now I know panic attacks are very real 17:21 out there in the world. 17:23 Maybe they are cousins to depression or such, 17:28 but is there something you can tell us about panic attacks? 17:31 First of all, how is she doing with panic attacks? 17:35 Secondly, what we can share with our viewers 17:38 that may assist them. 17:40 Well, the only one that I know of that she experienced 17:45 was right when she initially came here. 17:48 That was kind of my introduction to her. 17:51 And I saw this individual, 17:54 so I asked what happened, 17:56 and later on it was related to me that this individual 18:00 was having a panic attack, 18:02 and that was it. 18:05 After she's been here now the two and a half weeks, 18:09 she's never had another one and she's done wonderfully well. 18:12 Panic attacks I guess are a person's reaction to 18:15 something that causes stress or anxiety, 18:19 and that's the response to it. 18:22 And the depression. Has she had any bouts of depression? 18:26 She didn't look depressed to me 10 minutes ago here! 18:29 No, no. 18:31 I mean, many people have 18:35 mild forms of depression and so on, 18:38 but in my interaction with her 18:41 that wasn't observable, 18:46 Now, I have a question, 18:48 because I have a belief about our food that we eat. 18:53 I am a total vegan, 18:55 meaning I have no animal product to my knowledge. 18:58 I don't choose to have it. 19:00 But I've seen in my own experience 19:04 that when I came here I was depressed. 19:07 That depression went away 19:09 when I stopped drinking alcohol, 19:11 I stopped eating meat, 19:12 stopped eating the Standard Amerian Diet, 19:16 as you call, SAD. 19:18 Is there a relationship with food and depression? 19:23 There may be, but there's probably 19:25 even a stronger relationship with exercise and activity. 19:29 Because exercise is a natural anti-depressant. 19:33 It's also a natural tranquilizer. 19:36 So going back to Renee, 19:38 a regular exercise program is 19:40 going to help her to be more calm, 19:42 less problem with the panic attacks. 19:45 And if she happens to be depressed, 19:46 it's a natural anti-depressant. 19:48 It works much better than any anti-depressant. 19:50 So exercise is a really important part 19:53 of a person's overall health program. 19:55 We hear about the runner's high, 19:57 and you're referring to those endorphins 19:59 that the brain releases, 20:01 and that actually is like an opiate 20:03 that makes our body feel better? 20:05 Well, I don't know if exercise does... 20:08 I know running does that. 20:10 But the general walking does something very good 20:12 which helps to promote well-being, 20:14 and that's important. 20:15 Doctor Ing, I want to thank you for joining us in our studio. 20:19 And folks, thank you for joining us. 20:21 Don't go away. 20:23 We have an important message for you following. 20:40 Hi, and thank you for joining us today. 20:42 Today we have Doctor DeRose, 20:44 and I am very excited to hear 20:46 what he has to share with us today 20:47 about the Sabbath. 20:48 This study is very cool, and I can't wait 20:50 to hear what you have to say about this, 20:51 so let's just jump right in. 20:53 Well Cathy, I mean, you've got it. 20:54 It is very cool, to use the vernacular. 20:57 It's a study. It's not a brand-new study. 20:59 It was published back in 2001. 21:01 A couple of researchers at Ben-Gurion University in Israel 21:05 looked at mortality rates 21:08 and how they varied by day of the week. 21:10 Is that making sense so far? 21:12 You know, so Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday... 21:14 What day of the week? 21:16 Are people dying more on one day than another? 21:17 The fascinating thing they found in this study done in Israel 21:21 is that when the Sabbath came, 21:24 Friday and then Saturday, the Bible Sabbath, 21:28 death rates, mortality rates, dropped dramatically 21:31 over the hours of the Sabbath, 21:33 and then they picked back up again 21:34 as you get into Sunday and Monday. 21:36 That's amazing. - It really is amazing! 21:37 What's amazing about it though is this was not 21:40 a study that found the same relationship 21:42 for everyone in the population. 21:44 Not everyone? 21:46 They only found it was true of the Jews. 21:48 You see, in Israel, 21:50 the seventh day Sabbath, 21:52 from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday-- 21:55 that Saturday, if you will-- 21:56 is a national holiday. 21:59 For everyone! 22:00 So the non-Jews are off just like the Jews. 22:03 But only the Jews got the benefit 22:06 as far as this decrease in mortality 22:09 over the hours of the Sabbath. 22:11 Now, did they cite all the reasons for this? 22:13 What are they saying? 22:14 Well, you're exactly right, I mean, 22:15 as a researcher myself 22:17 I'm saying, "Well, come on, what's going on here? 22:18 Maybe it's because the Jews aren't working. 22:21 You know, they're just sitting at home." 22:23 Actually, that wasn't it, 22:25 because they looked at the causes of death. 22:27 It was not just less accidents. 22:30 Especially things like stroke 22:33 dramatically decreased over the hours of the Sabbath. 22:37 In fact, as you look at the data, 22:39 what it suggests is that there is something 22:42 about setting aside this sacred day, 22:47 honoring this day that God has set apart, 22:49 that somehow makes a difference 22:51 as far as your physical health. 22:54 Well, anything to do with their diet? 22:56 Did it have anything to do with what they eat? 22:57 Obviously they do eat something differently. 22:59 Yeah, some of those things are hard to tease out. 23:01 And you could say, Well, were they eating differently? 23:04 Is it the social connectiveness? 23:05 In fact, the researchers talk about 23:07 some of the social effects and how the Sabbath 23:10 is part and parcel of Jewish culture. 23:12 But I think it just begs this fascinating 23:15 dialogue that we're having 23:16 about how medical researchers are actually finding 23:19 that when a community, when a people, 23:22 keep the Sabbath, 23:24 there's some kind of special blessing with it. 23:26 And it goes beyond just those weekly benefits, 23:29 because other research has looked, 23:31 for example, at Orthodox Jews, 23:33 and find that they have substantially lower death rates 23:36 across the board when it comes to a number of leading killers. 23:40 And again, some researchers have said, 23:42 "Perhaps some of the reason, some of the explanation, 23:45 is keeping the Sabbath, taking a day apart 23:48 and reflecting on God and spiritual things. 23:51 Stepping back from the cares of life, 23:55 and really focusing on the Creator. 23:57 And just having that time of quiet rest, 23:59 the body knows when to heal. 24:01 It's amazing. 24:02 You know, the interesting thing about the Sabbath 24:04 from a medical perspective, 24:06 is there are so many lines of insight 24:08 that suggest that really God created us 24:11 with a weekly rhythm. 24:13 And if you look at all the phenomena in life 24:16 by which we measure time, 24:18 whether it's the day or the month 24:21 or the year, they all have some astronomical 24:24 planetary significance, except for the week! 24:28 Societies have experimented with something 24:30 other than a seven-day week, 24:31 but it just doesn't seem to work. 24:33 Our Creator knew we needed a weekly cycle, 24:37 and He knew that we needed one day off for Him. 24:41 Oh yes. I mean, I wasn't even raised with the Sabbath, 24:43 but I find that myself, my body knows 24:45 when to shut down, when it's tired, 24:47 when it's ready to rest, and when the Sabbath comes, 24:49 it's just ready. 24:50 Just another interesting sidelight in this study, 24:53 the title's fascinating, and I should just mention it, 24:55 because some of our viewers may be interested 24:57 in picking up a copy of this. 24:59 The title that the authors gave for this study 25:02 was "Death Rests Awhile." 25:06 "Death Rests Awhile." 25:08 It was published back in 2001 in the journal called 25:11 "Social Science and Medicine." 25:13 But Cathy, one other interesting dimension to this study, 25:16 young children did not seem to have the benefit. 25:20 So it seems that those who are in the most 25:22 stressful years of their life, 25:24 have--you know, the adults, 25:27 as we're dealing with the real world pressures... 25:29 Kids, you know, they're kind of isolated. 25:30 Every day...they don't have to worry about too much. 25:33 Mom and Dad are taking care of them. 25:34 But we need this special benefit of the Sabbath. 25:37 Just another insight from medical science 25:41 saying that God, when He created us... 25:44 And when God asks us to "Remember" 25:47 the Sabbath, He was not just speaking spiritually. 25:49 He knew our physical needs as well. 25:51 Always. Now how long ago was this done? 25:54 2001 was the study. 25:55 So, the interesting thing though is 25:58 they were looking at data that went back into the 90s. 26:00 They looked at data over a period of years. 26:03 So it's really a fairly comprehensive study, 26:05 but it begs the question, What happens if people today 26:08 are not as adherent in those practices? 26:10 Maybe they wouldn't have the same benefit. 26:12 This is amazing. 26:13 This is such wonderful information that we have, 26:15 and if you would like more information on this, 26:17 then please visit our website at: 26:20 Doctor DeRose, thank you for sharing this with us. 26:21 This is very exciting news. 26:23 Cathy, it's always a pleasure to look at God's Word 26:25 in light of modern science. - Amen. Thank you. 26:27 And thank you for joining us. 26:36 Modern views of evolution stem all the way back 26:39 to theories developed in the mid-1800s. 26:42 Out of the same time period came ideas that shape 26:45 our educational system today. 26:48 The Common School Movement, for example, 26:51 saw schools more like a factory, 26:52 with students blindly memorizing instruction 26:55 rather than thinking for themselves. 26:58 Their curriculum was rigid and theoretical. 27:00 Instead of being flexible and practical, 27:03 it was designed to conform the individual 27:06 into a specific ideological mold 27:09 that fit the needs of an old industrial era 27:11 long since passed. 27:14 Just like our view of creation in six literal days, 27:17 we believe the Bible contains an educational blueprint 27:21 radically different from the one we see now. 27:37 Well friends, that's it for today, 27:39 but I want to leave you with a message from Genesis 1:29. 27:43 "And God said, Behold, I have given you 27:45 every herb bearing seed 27:47 which is upon the face of all the earth, 27:49 and every tree 27:51 yielding seed. 27:52 To you it shall be for meat." 27:54 Friends, I know that there are 27:57 those of you who want to be here. 27:58 Pick up that phone and give us a call at: |
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