Participants: Ron Giannoni (Host), Myrl Dake
Series Code: NSN
Program Code: NSN000041
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00:24 Hi folks, and welcome to another edition of NEWSTART Now.
00:28 I'm so happy to be with you today, 00:30 because we have a really great story. 00:33 We have a gentleman in the studio with us right now. 00:36 Mr. Dake, how are you? 00:38 Fine, thank you. 00:39 It's Myrl, right? 00:41 That's right. Okay. 00:42 Myrl comes to us with 00:44 a problem that he's had for so many years. 00:48 We're going to be talking about this condition, 00:51 a cardiovascular condition 00:54 where he was advised some... 00:56 How many years ago does that go back, 00:58 when they suggested that you have open heart surgery? 01:01 1991. 01:02 1991. 01:04 So in 1991 the doctor says to you, 01:07 "Myrl, I've got some good news and some bad news. 01:10 I think we can save your life, 01:11 but you're going to have to go under the knife." 01:13 Is that right? That's right. 01:15 They did an angiogram on me and they said that 01:20 I had three arteries that were severely occluded, 01:24 and that I was literally a walking time bomb. 01:27 This was a Friday, and they said, "You are so bad 01:32 that we're not going to let you go home. 01:35 We're going to do surgery at 7:30 tomorrow morning. 01:39 We normally don't do Saturday surgeries, 01:41 but you are such a walking time bomb 01:43 that we're going to do triple bypass on you tomorrow morning." 01:47 Now, how much, how severely blocked were you? 01:52 What percentage? Did they give you a number? 01:54 They did. 01:56 One of the main left descending 01:59 arteries was 99 percent blocked, 02:02 one was 85 percent, and one was 75 percent. 02:06 Wow. Okay. 02:08 And what did you do? What did you say to the doctors? 02:12 Well, while I was lying on a gurney all day, 02:17 because I couldn't move until the 02:21 vein that they had gone into had healed over, 02:24 they all sidled up to my gurney and 02:27 told me all these terrible things, 02:29 and that they were going to do this. 02:32 Then they put me into a hospital room 02:36 preparatory for what sleep I could get 02:39 and then be ready for the next morning. 02:41 When everybody left, I got up and put on my clothes 02:44 and walked out of the hospital, 02:46 to the great consternation of all parties concerned. 02:50 But I told them, "Ultimately, I am responsible for me, 02:55 and I may or I may not do this. 02:58 But I am first going to do some serious research 03:03 to find out whether this is a patch only 03:08 or whether it really is a cure for the problem." 03:11 And I quickly found out that it really is a patch, 03:16 because I had a friend particularly that 03:20 has had this done three times. 03:22 And they clogged up again 03:24 because he didn't change his lifestyle. 03:27 So what I discovered was that a vegetarian lifestyle 03:33 was the only way to go 03:35 to reverse existing blockage of heart arteries. 03:38 Now you discovered this, I presume, 03:41 by investigating perhaps online or through books, 03:45 that a lifestyle change would clear out your arteries, right? 03:50 Yes. 03:51 And did you begin a lifestyle change immediately thereafter? 03:54 Yes, I did. 03:56 And have you been loyal to this change all these years? 04:00 No, I have not. Okay. 04:02 Tell us about that. 04:04 I stayed with it as best I could, 04:07 and I did reverse the blockage 04:10 to the point where I could carry on a normal life. 04:14 Now, how long did that take, Myrl? 04:17 A couple years. I worked on it a couple years. 04:21 I was not vegan, but I was lacto-ovo vegetarian. 04:25 There was still dairy products and there was still cheese 04:29 and things of that nature, and eggs. 04:35 Actually, when I came to the NEWSTART program at Weimar 04:38 and they did the blood test on me, 04:40 I was pretty sure that they would say that 04:43 my blood came out 50 percent pizza, 04:45 çlaughterÑ 04:48 because I love pizza. 04:49 I understand. 04:51 And pizza is always so loaded with cheese. 04:55 Well, let me stop you just for a moment now. 04:57 If you knew then... 05:00 We're going back to when you started finding out 05:03 that you could clear your arteries. 05:05 If you knew then what you know now, 05:08 would you have become totally vegan and...? 05:12 Tell me about that. 05:14 I absolutely would. 05:15 Alright, so you've discovered now... 05:18 Sounds like you're stair-stepping a little bit. 05:21 You went into being a vegetarian, 05:23 and now you're becoming vegan. 05:27 And with the understanding that with a vegan lifestyle, 05:31 staying with this... 05:33 these types of foods that we eat as a vegan, 05:38 that your arteries can completely clear themselves out. 05:42 Well, the amazing thing that I've learned 05:44 just in the 18 days that I've been here 05:48 is that my arteries have cleaned out more in 18 days 05:53 than they have in 18 years. 05:55 How do you know that? 05:56 Well, because they put me on a stress test 06:01 when I got here, 06:03 and they put me on a stress test again 06:05 at the end of this period, 06:08 and my tolerance for strenuous activity 06:13 has gone up by some 33 percent 06:16 just in that period of time. 06:19 And that's just in 17 days? 06:21 Yes! Yes, I'm so excited about it 06:23 I can't stand myself. 06:26 It kind of gives you a new lease on life, doesn't it? 06:29 Absolutely, and I want to kick myself 06:31 in the pants for not knowing 06:33 more about this and doing it then, 18 years ago. 06:38 But the combination of the 06:40 exercise program they have at Weimar, 06:44 the wonderful spiritual component 06:47 that all of the workers here have added to it, 06:51 together with much more walking 06:56 than I ever did before, 06:58 has, together with the vegan diet, 07:02 just all conspired to reverse lots of problems. 07:05 Amen. 07:07 I also lost my wife to terminal cancer last February. 07:12 And in my grieving and frustrations and so on, 07:16 I took it out on food, so I had gained 25 pounds 07:19 just since this last February. 07:21 So the Pizza Hut has been a familiar friend of yours, huh? 07:24 Well, as a widower living alone at home, 07:29 pizza is a very convenient way to feed your face. 07:33 And I did that all too often because I love it anyway. 07:37 But I have learned that I have to change my diet to vegan. 07:41 I did another thing. 07:44 I used to salt everything even before I tasted it, 07:47 because I knew that no one ever salted anything sufficient 07:52 to my taste. 07:55 Now that I've been here, 07:56 they don't add salt to anything, 07:58 and I discovered by the second day, 08:00 who needs salt? 08:01 Everything tastes wonderful here, 08:03 and they don't salt it. 08:06 So to tell you the truth, 08:08 I knew I was coming here to get problems solved, 08:12 but I had no idea I was coming to Shangri-La. 08:16 So this is an 18-year problem 08:19 that in 16, 17 days... 08:22 I understand when you first arrived you had angina, 08:25 or angina, as some people say. 08:27 Is that the case? 08:29 Yes. I went around... 08:31 We have a loop trail 08:34 that we go around, 08:35 and it has some ups and downs and some hills and so on. 08:38 And chugging back up the hill, 08:41 just doing a half mile, I ended up bringing on angina 08:44 because of the extra 25 pounds that I'd put on, 08:48 plus too much pizza and a few other things 08:50 that I was doing wrong. 08:53 Now I can walk several miles nonstop without... 08:58 With no pain? 08:59 With no chest pain at all. 09:01 What about medication? Are you taking medication? 09:03 I take a very minor medication 09:06 that I've been taking for 18 years. 09:09 But it started out I had to take it three times a day, 09:12 and now I'm down to once a day. 09:15 And I'm looking forward near-term 09:16 to when I don't have to take it at all. 09:19 Well I can relate, because a similar thing happened to me. 09:24 The difference was, I went under the knife and did that. 09:27 Five-way bypass, 09:29 which I wish I hadn't, but I did, 09:31 and that's water under the bridge. 09:33 But now we've chosen our lifestyles, 09:36 being vegans, fellow vegans, 09:39 to live a long and healthy life. 09:42 As Doctor Ing told me, and Doctor Lukens as well, 09:45 this may add another 20 years to your life. 09:49 And you look healthy. 09:51 I know you're eager and excited about what's going on now. 09:55 I assure you you're going to continue 09:58 to lose weight as I did, 10:00 and welcome to the club. 10:02 Welcome to a new start. Thank you. 10:04 And Myrl, I want to thank you for taking your time. 10:07 I know you're a busy man, 10:09 and I wish you all the luck in the world. 10:11 Thank you for joining us 10:12 in the studio. My pleasure. 10:14 And folks, there you have it! 10:16 Myrl, 18 years... 10:18 Don't go away! 10:20 We'll be right back with an important message. 10:24 Well, you've done very well. 10:32 Do you have diabetes, 10:33 heart disease, high blood pressure, 10:36 or do you weigh too much? 10:38 Hi, my name is Dr. Ing, and I'd like to tell you 10:41 about our 18-day NEWSTART lifestyle program. 10:44 It includes a comprehensive medical evaluation 10:47 with laboratory studies 10:49 and an exercise stress test, 10:51 physician consultations, 10:53 culinary school, 10:55 and an opportunity to walk on beautiful trails 10:58 in the foothills of the Sierras. 11:02 Your health is one of the most 11:04 important things that you have. Don't wait. 11:06 Give us a call at: 11:11 Or visit our website: 11:30 Well friends, welcome back! 11:32 In our studio we have Doctor Lukens. 11:35 It's such a pleasure. 11:37 And this one is exciting, man! 11:39 This is really exciting. 11:40 This is real. 11:42 Doctor Lukens shared with me last night, 11:45 and he says, "We've got to get Myrtle in there..." 11:47 Myrl. Excuse me. 11:49 "...and do an interview, because 11:51 he's got a real exciting story, 11:53 one that needs to be heard." 11:55 Let's take it from there, if you would, 11:58 and tell us about what has happened in the last 18 years. 12:02 Okay, now this is a little bit of an aside, 12:06 but we have two people 12:08 primarily with the same problem this time. 12:11 And we have the other interview as well. 12:14 But there is a difference, and that's why I tell people, 12:17 two thirds of your health program is your exercise. 12:20 Now see, he told you that he's been being followed. 12:25 And he does cardio, 12:27 I think it's three times a week or whatever, 12:29 and they have him on a certain elevation, 12:32 at a certain speed, and he knows 12:34 that at the end of so many minutes, 12:39 he's going to start feeling that pain. 12:42 But what he has been doing 12:45 is even though he hasn't been opening all this up, 12:48 he's been developing colateral. 12:51 And so the other patient 12:54 looks at this and he says, 12:55 "Well I didn't get quite as good results." 12:57 And so I was able to tell him, 12:58 that's because he's got these little tiny feeders coming in. 13:02 That's point number one: he's got colateral. 13:04 So this is amazing. 13:06 Explain colateral to our viewers. 13:08 That means that there's... 13:09 One of his arteries is only 75 percent blocked. 13:12 So that one is putting little tiny... 13:15 Some of the little tiny arteries 13:16 from that are starting to develop 13:18 over the area where the 13:20 90-plus percent blockage is, you see? 13:22 And so that one that he's talking about, 13:26 the left anterior descending coronary artery, 13:29 is what they call the widow-maker. 13:31 And it's true. If that blocks off, 13:34 and he hasn't been exercising, 13:36 then he's toast, as they say. 13:39 So that's one thing. The other thing is 13:42 he didn't get the idea 13:44 that he needs to be on a whole-plant foods, 13:48 eaten whole, diet. 13:51 So even if he were to go back and eat totally vegan, 13:57 but he would be adding in the refined carbohydrates, 14:02 and the refined oils, 14:04 then he still wouldn't turn that mechanism off. 14:07 And then the third thing is what I just... 14:09 That's my song and dance. 14:11 I'm harping on this to everybody. 14:13 But I didn't know about it when I went through medical school. 14:15 And that is that when you eat 14:17 only plant-based fats, 14:19 you get those tiny little arteries 14:22 that dilate up just enough. 14:25 So those plugs in his arteries, they haven't changed. 14:29 But those tiny, tiny little arteries, 14:32 they're at the end point. 14:33 They've dilated up just enough 14:36 so that the oxygenated blood 14:38 is flowing in into all parts of his body. 14:40 So his heart... 14:42 It's very, very noticeable to him because he's had this, 14:46 and he knows what he can and can't do. 14:47 It goes to his brain, 14:49 it's going to his kidneys, it's going all over his body. 14:52 And that's why he looks better than when he first came, too. 14:55 And only 17 days. 14:57 And he's had this problem for 18 years, 15:01 where he was going to go under the knife 15:04 and decided not to, and he's gotten progressively better. 15:07 What the good news is, 15:09 that we can make a change. 15:12 But on this plant-based food program, 15:16 whole food program, 15:18 we can totally reverse this cardiovascular situation. 15:24 But see, the thing is, that's the thing. 15:26 It's not reversed. 15:29 But those little tiny arteries are dilated up. 15:33 So it's way out at the end, right where the cells are. 15:36 Now, when he does that, when Ornish 15:42 and especially Esselstyn did their work, 15:44 and they redid the angiograms, 15:48 they saw that some of them had 70 percent regression 15:51 of some of these plaques. 15:53 But see, the thing is, 15:55 we keep looking at the plaque, 15:57 and the plaque is not where the answer is. 15:59 And also, when you eat the green leafy vegetables 16:02 as Doctor Esselstyn, he points this out. 16:05 That's one of his biggest things that he wants people to do. 16:08 Because that's another thing that happens. 16:11 You get nitric oxide, 16:13 and that also helps 16:15 with the circulation, the micro-circulation. 16:17 So you get those two together. 16:18 The exercise is in there, 16:20 and so the heart is starting to pump stronger, 16:25 and that circulation is better. 16:28 The big vessels, the small vessels, 16:30 and the capillaries, 16:31 because there's no fat in there 16:33 to plug up those capillaries, 16:36 so that those red blood cells can't get through there. 16:39 All of it together. 16:40 And what was so neat about his 16:42 is that it was incremental. 16:45 You want to ask me about that? 16:48 Let me ask you about that! 16:50 No, you were on a roll there. I didn't want to stop you! 16:52 But I did want to interrupt you 16:54 and ask you about this elasticity 16:56 of the arteries, the veins, etc. 16:59 The arteries is what we're talking about. 17:01 Yeah, and what I heard you say was, 17:05 these become more flexible and... 17:08 No, what happens is that the tiny smooth muscle 17:11 in these little tiny arteries, 17:14 the prostaglandins-- and here goes that word again-- 17:18 the prostaglandins allow those blood vessels 17:22 to dilate at just enough 17:24 so that the flow of blood goes right to the cells. 17:27 And that is it. It starts within three days. 17:33 So I'm glad you asked about the increments. 17:36 Let me ask you about the increments. 17:38 Okay, there we go. 17:40 So going around the half-mile loop, 17:42 the first day or two that he was here, 17:44 he got the anginal pain. He alluded to that. 17:47 But I was watching for.... 17:49 When he told me that, I was watching for that. 17:51 Then the second, like six, seven, eight days, 17:55 he was able to walk around a mile, 17:57 and he didn't have to stop talking. 17:59 In other words, he could talk and walk, which is... 18:03 We don't want you to be so breathless 18:06 that you can't talk when you're walking. 18:08 And he didn't get the anginal pain. 18:10 And then he was able to do two laps around 18:16 without stopping, and he didn't get the anginal pain. 18:18 See, these are progressive, and each time that I saw him 18:21 he would just, "I've got news for you! 18:23 I've got a miracle!" 18:25 He was so excited about it. 18:27 And then when we put him on the treadmill, 18:29 we could see the difference there, 18:31 because we asked him, 18:33 "Alright, tell us as soon as you get the anginal pain." 18:35 And it was later. 18:36 It was a couple of minutes later. 18:38 And then, "How bad does it get?" 18:40 The first time he said, "It's a 7 or an 8." 18:43 And you could see the look on his face, 18:45 that he wanted to stop. 18:46 And so he did stop, 18:48 and into the recovery stage 18:52 I asked him. He said, "Well, now it's down to a 5. 18:54 Now it's down to a 3." 18:56 And then about 4 to 6 minutes later he says, "Now it's gone." 19:00 The most it got to when he had done 19:03 a couple minutes longer, 19:05 the most it got up to was 5 out of 10, 19:08 if 10 was worst and 0 or 1 was like.... 19:13 So it only got up to a 5, 19:15 it was later than it had before, 19:18 and then when he said that it started easing off 19:22 was within two minutes. 19:24 And then before the four to six minutes 19:27 he said, "It's totally gone now." 19:30 And see, that's not those bigger vessels. 19:33 They haven't changed in 18 days. 19:36 But it's the tiny blood vessels starting within three days, 19:39 they start dilating up. 19:41 The nitric oxide helps too, and it's just... 19:44 So the blockage is not removed then, at this point. 19:47 Everything is expanding a little bit. 19:49 No, but see, it's not such a big deal, 19:51 because those really tight blockages 19:53 are in a certain area there, 19:55 and the blood goes around that, 19:58 unless there's a fatty meal or a clot 20:00 that's going to get stuck there. 20:03 It goes on through there, 20:05 but when it gets out to that area 20:07 where the tiny little blood vessels are, 20:09 if those aren't dilated up, 20:11 even taking the blockages out 20:12 isn't going to be that effective. 20:14 I see. Yep. 20:15 So... It's a whole different concept. 20:18 A whole different concept. 20:19 And I just read, I got it from one of my colleagues, 20:24 70 percent of heart attacks occur 20:29 in an artery that is only 50 percent blocked. 20:32 Seventy percent of heart attacks 20:36 occur in an artery that is only 50 percent blocked. 20:39 It's that inflammatory, hot plaque that breaks open. 20:44 Well, that's very interesting. 20:46 I could talk for hours with you about this, 20:49 but as you know, the clock is winding down. 20:51 Do you have any last minute statement 20:53 you'd like to share with the viewers? 20:55 Well, there's a lot of people that won't do this, 20:57 but I wish more people knew about it, 20:59 and we could coach them along. 21:02 And if they would try it they would realize that 21:05 it's everything that everything else isn't. 21:08 Amen. 21:09 Doctor Lukens, we want to thank you 21:11 for joining us here in the studio. 21:13 Anytime. Oh, what a grip! 21:15 Yes, anytime on this. 21:17 I really appreciate you being here. 21:20 And folks, thank you for joining us, 21:22 but don't go away, because we have a tip for you 21:25 right after this short break. 21:42 Welcome to NEWSTART at Home. I'm your host Don Mackintosh. 21:44 We're glad that you're with us today, 21:46 and in the studio today we have Rich Kollumberg. 21:49 And Rich, you've written a book, 21:50 "Clean Seven Steps to Freedom: What Every Addict Needs." 21:54 Your wife and yourself have written this book, 21:57 probably because you have a little experience. 21:58 A little bit of experience, about 25 years of experience 22:01 of becoming a drug addict. 22:04 Okay. Can't put it any other way. 22:07 And you know, you kind of laugh nervously, 22:10 but it was really not a good time. 22:12 Not a pleasant experience. 22:13 But praise God, even you go that way, 22:17 God can work things for good, 22:18 and now you're helping people get out of that. 22:20 That's true. Right now my wife and I are 22:23 helping people to get out of the bondage of addiction, 22:27 to realize that they don't have to live that way. 22:30 You and I talked, and you said there's two types of addiction, 22:33 substance and... 22:35 Behavioral. Behaviors. 22:37 And substances would be 22:40 alcohol, drugs, whatever-- your drug of choice. 22:42 And what are some of the behaviors? 22:44 Well, the behaviors are anger, jealousy, 22:48 pride, sexual addictions, 22:52 gambling, and one that you might not think too much about, 22:55 and that would be disobedience. 22:57 So you're kind of addicted to disobedience? 22:59 Have you ever run a red light? 23:02 And when you run the red light, 23:03 there's a little chill that goes down your spine 23:06 and you look in the mirror and you say, 23:08 "Whew. I didn't get caught." 23:10 And the first place you go, 23:11 you tell somebody else about that. 23:13 There's a little bit of a thrill that happens with disobedience. 23:17 Well, I've never really had that thrill, 23:18 I've got to face it, but I can see what you mean. 23:19 There's been some other areas where 23:21 I've been overly thrilled about things. 23:23 So there's like kind of a rush 23:24 that comes from doing what's wrong. 23:26 Yeah. 23:27 And this is what happened in your life? 23:29 This is what happened in my life. 23:31 And you know, disobedience is funny, 23:33 because you start stepping out on the edge, 23:35 and after you get so far out on the edge, 23:37 then that thrill is gone. 23:38 You've got to move out a little bit farther 23:40 and a little bit farther. 23:41 Disobedience is funny. 23:43 If you want a child not to do something, 23:46 you tell them to do it. -"Don't look at the red monkey." 23:48 Don't look at the red monkey, 23:49 or don't think about red monkeys. 23:51 And we're all thinking about them right now. 23:52 It's funny like that. 23:54 So that's kind of like part of the human nature, 23:57 the human condition, that you just kind of are drawn 24:01 to sometimes what's wrong. 24:03 The grass on the other side of the fence. 24:05 Exactly. You know, the first drug-pusher 24:07 that there ever was, was Satan 24:10 in the Garden of Eden, and the drug 24:11 he was pushing was disobedience. 24:13 In fact, if you read Story of Redemption page 36, 24:18 you will read, "She then 24:20 plucked for herself the fruit and ate, 24:23 and imagined she felt a quickening power 24:26 of a new and elevated existence 24:28 as a result of the exhilarating 24:32 influence of the forbidden fruit. 24:34 She was in a strange and unnatural excitement 24:37 as she sought her husband with her hands filled with the 24:40 forbidden fruit." 24:41 She actually got high on this disobedience. 24:47 So even though it's wrong, 24:48 you become obedient to the wrong 24:50 instead of obedient to the right. 24:52 So how can this change? How did it change for you? 24:54 Well, I had to first be honest with myself, 25:00 and realize and tell myself the truth that I was an addict. 25:03 It's interesting because God is real gentle with us, 25:07 but He's firm with us. 25:09 And after I cried out to God 25:11 and He helped me, He said that... 25:13 He told me, kind of in a sense of humor, 25:15 He said, "You think you're pretty smart, don't you?" 25:17 I said, "Yeah, I do." 25:19 And He says, "Well Rich, 25:20 this is what your best thinking got you, 25:22 was 25 years of drug abuse, 25:24 you've used everybody up in your life, and you're..." 25:27 So when this thought came to you, 25:28 where were you? Were you sitting alone? 25:30 Everybody's kind of alienated from you? 25:32 Yeah. I was all done. 25:34 I was all done. I was all by myself. 25:36 Even my girlfriend wouldn't see me anymore. 25:37 That's what my best thinking had gotten me, 25:40 was a life of disobedience. 25:41 And that thought came to you? 25:43 In other words, your best thinking led to nothing. 25:46 Yeah, it led to nothing. 25:47 Forty-one years trying it my way didn't work. 25:50 God said it's time to try it His way. 25:52 And that's what opened you up to obedience 25:55 to His truth instead of disobedience. 25:58 Right, the new way of thinking. The whole new way of thinking. 26:01 In our life we're walking around 26:02 dragging this bag, so to speak, 26:05 in our minds, and this bag is disobedience. 26:07 And we keep putting stuff into that bag, 26:09 and that bag gets really heavy. 26:11 But when you come to Christ and you obey, 26:13 you start pulling stuff out of that bag, 26:15 and He says, "My burden is light." 26:17 It's kind of deep if it does... obedience in other areas. 26:19 "Every thought," the Bible says, "brought into obedience." 26:22 Great thoughts here in this book that 26:24 you've written along with your wife, 26:25 "Clean Seven Steps to Freedom." 26:27 You can go on our website, 26:30 and there's a link there, 26:32 and it will take you right to the site 26:33 where you can get this book. 26:34 It's a great resource. 26:36 We're glad you've been here. Thanks for coming. 26:37 My pleasure. 26:39 And thank you for coming. 26:40 We hope that you have as a result |
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