Hi folks, and welcome to
another edition of NEWSTART Now.
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I'm so happy to
be with you today,
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because we have a
really great story.
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We have a gentleman in
the studio with us right now.
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Mr. Dake, how are you?
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Fine, thank you.
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It's Myrl, right?
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That's right. Okay.
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Myrl comes to us with
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a problem that he's
had for so many years.
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We're going to be
talking about this condition,
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a cardiovascular condition
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where he was advised some...
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How many years
ago does that go back,
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when they suggested that
you have open heart surgery?
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1991.
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1991.
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So in 1991 the
doctor says to you,
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"Myrl, I've got some
good news and some bad news.
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I think we can save your life,
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but you're going to
have to go under the knife."
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Is that right? That's right.
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They did an angiogram
on me and they said that
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I had three arteries
that were severely occluded,
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and that I was
literally a walking time bomb.
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This was a Friday, and
they said, "You are so bad
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that we're not
going to let you go home.
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We're going to do surgery
at 7:30 tomorrow morning.
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We normally don't
do Saturday surgeries,
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but you are such
a walking time bomb
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that we're going to do triple
bypass on you tomorrow morning."
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Now, how much, how
severely blocked were you?
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What percentage? Did
they give you a number?
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They did.
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One of the main left descending
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arteries was 99 percent blocked,
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one was 85 percent,
and one was 75 percent.
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Wow. Okay.
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And what did you do? What
did you say to the doctors?
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Well, while I was
lying on a gurney all day,
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because I
couldn't move until the
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vein that they had
gone into had healed over,
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they all sidled
up to my gurney and
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told me all
these terrible things,
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and that they
were going to do this.
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Then they put me
into a hospital room
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preparatory for
what sleep I could get
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and then be ready
for the next morning.
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When everybody left, I
got up and put on my clothes
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and walked out of the hospital,
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to the great consternation
of all parties concerned.
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But I told them, "Ultimately,
I am responsible for me,
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and I may or I may not do this.
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But I am first going to
do some serious research
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to find out whether
this is a patch only
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or whether it really is
a cure for the problem."
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And I quickly found out
that it really is a patch,
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because I had a
friend particularly that
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has had this done three times.
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And they clogged up again
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because he didn't
change his lifestyle.
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So what I discovered was
that a vegetarian lifestyle
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was the only way to go
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to reverse existing
blockage of heart arteries.
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Now you
discovered this, I presume,
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by investigating
perhaps online or through books,
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that a lifestyle change would
clear out your arteries, right?
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Yes.
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And did you begin a lifestyle
change immediately thereafter?
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Yes, I did.
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And have you been loyal to
this change all these years?
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No, I have not. Okay.
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Tell us about that.
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I stayed with
it as best I could,
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and I did reverse the blockage
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to the point where I
could carry on a normal life.
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Now, how long
did that take, Myrl?
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A couple years. I
worked on it a couple years.
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I was not vegan, but I
was lacto-ovo vegetarian.
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There was still dairy products
and there was still cheese
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and things of
that nature, and eggs.
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Actually, when I came to
the NEWSTART program at Weimar
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and they did the
blood test on me,
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I was pretty sure
that they would say that
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my blood came
out 50 percent pizza,
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çlaughterÑ
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because I love pizza.
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I understand.
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And pizza is always
so loaded with cheese.
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Well, let me stop you
just for a moment now.
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If you knew then...
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We're going back to
when you started finding out
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that you could
clear your arteries.
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If you knew then
what you know now,
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would you have
become totally vegan and...?
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Tell me about that.
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I absolutely would.
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Alright, so
you've discovered now...
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Sounds like you're
stair-stepping a little bit.
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You went into
being a vegetarian,
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and now you're becoming vegan.
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And with the understanding
that with a vegan lifestyle,
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staying with this...
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these types of foods
that we eat as a vegan,
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that your arteries can
completely clear themselves out.
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Well, the amazing
thing that I've learned
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just in the 18
days that I've been here
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is that my arteries have
cleaned out more in 18 days
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than they have in 18 years.
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How do you know that?
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Well, because they
put me on a stress test
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when I got here,
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and they put me on
a stress test again
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at the end of this period,
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and my tolerance
for strenuous activity
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has gone up by some 33 percent
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just in that period of time.
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And that's just in 17 days?
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Yes! Yes, I'm
so excited about it
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I can't stand myself.
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It kind of gives you a
new lease on life, doesn't it?
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Absolutely, and I
want to kick myself
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in the pants for not knowing
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more about this and
doing it then, 18 years ago.
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But the combination of the
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exercise program
they have at Weimar,
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the wonderful
spiritual component
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that all of the
workers here have added to it,
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together with much more walking
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than I ever did before,
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has, together
with the vegan diet,
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just all conspired to
reverse lots of problems.
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Amen.
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I also lost my wife to
terminal cancer last February.
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And in my grieving and
frustrations and so on,
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I took it out on food,
so I had gained 25 pounds
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just since this last February.
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So the Pizza Hut has been a
familiar friend of yours, huh?
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Well, as a widower
living alone at home,
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pizza is a very convenient
way to feed your face.
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And I did that all too
often because I love it anyway.
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But I have learned that I
have to change my diet to vegan.
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I did another thing.
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I used to salt everything
even before I tasted it,
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because I knew that no one
ever salted anything sufficient
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to my taste.
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Now that I've been here,
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they don't add salt to anything,
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and I discovered
by the second day,
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who needs salt?
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Everything
tastes wonderful here,
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and they don't salt it.
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So to tell you the truth,
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I knew I was coming
here to get problems solved,
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but I had no idea I
was coming to Shangri-La.
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So this is an 18-year problem
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that in 16, 17 days...
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I understand when you
first arrived you had angina,
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or angina, as some people say.
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Is that the case?
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Yes. I went around...
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We have a loop trail
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that we go around,
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and it has some ups and
downs and some hills and so on.
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And chugging back up the hill,
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just doing a half mile, I
ended up bringing on angina
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because of the extra
25 pounds that I'd put on,
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plus too much pizza
and a few other things
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that I was doing wrong.
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Now I can walk several
miles nonstop without...
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With no pain?
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With no chest pain at all.
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What about medication?
Are you taking medication?
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I take a very minor medication
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that I've been
taking for 18 years.
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But it started out I had
to take it three times a day,
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and now I'm down to once a day.
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And I'm looking
forward near-term
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to when I don't
have to take it at all.
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Well I can relate, because a
similar thing happened to me.
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The difference was, I went
under the knife and did that.
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Five-way bypass,
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which I wish I
hadn't, but I did,
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and that's water
under the bridge.
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But now we've
chosen our lifestyles,
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being vegans, fellow vegans,
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to live a long and healthy life.
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As Doctor Ing told me,
and Doctor Lukens as well,
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this may add another
20 years to your life.
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And you look healthy.
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I know you're eager and excited
about what's going on now.
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I assure you
you're going to continue
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to lose weight as I did,
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and welcome to the club.
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Welcome to a new
start. Thank you.
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And Myrl, I want to
thank you for taking your time.
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I know you're a busy man,
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and I wish you all
the luck in the world.
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Thank you for joining us
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in the studio. My pleasure.
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And folks, there you have it!
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Myrl, 18 years...
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Don't go away!
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We'll be right back
with an important message.
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Well, you've done very well.
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Do you have diabetes,
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heart disease,
high blood pressure,
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or do you weigh too much?
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Hi, my name is Dr. Ing,
and I'd like to tell you
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about our 18-day
NEWSTART lifestyle program.
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It includes a
comprehensive medical evaluation
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with laboratory studies
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and an exercise stress test,
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physician consultations,
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culinary school,
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and an opportunity to
walk on beautiful trails
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in the foothills of the Sierras.
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Your health is one of the most
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important things
that you have. Don't wait.
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Give us a call at:
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Or visit our website:
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Well friends, welcome back!
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In our studio we
have Doctor Lukens.
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It's such a pleasure.
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And this one is exciting, man!
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This is really exciting.
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This is real.
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Doctor Lukens
shared with me last night,
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and he says, "We've got
to get Myrtle in there..."
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Myrl. Excuse me.
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"...and do an interview, because
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he's got a real exciting story,
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one that needs to be heard."
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Let's take it from
there, if you would,
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and tell us about what has
happened in the last 18 years.
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Okay, now this is a
little bit of an aside,
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but we have two people
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primarily with the
same problem this time.
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And we have the
other interview as well.
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But there is a difference,
and that's why I tell people,
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two thirds of your
health program is your exercise.
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Now see, he told you
that he's been being followed.
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And he does cardio,
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I think it's three
times a week or whatever,
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and they have him
on a certain elevation,
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at a certain speed, and he knows
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that at the end
of so many minutes,
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he's going to
start feeling that pain.
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But what he has been doing
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is even though he hasn't
been opening all this up,
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he's been developing colateral.
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And so the other patient
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looks at this and he says,
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"Well I didn't get
quite as good results."
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And so I was able to tell him,
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that's because he's got these
little tiny feeders coming in.
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That's point number
one: he's got colateral.
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So this is amazing.
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Explain
colateral to our viewers.
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That means that there's...
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One of his arteries is
only 75 percent blocked.
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So that one is
putting little tiny...
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Some of the little tiny arteries
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from that are
starting to develop
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over the area where the
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90-plus percent
blockage is, you see?
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And so that one
that he's talking about,
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the left anterior
descending coronary artery,
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is what they
call the widow-maker.
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And it's true.
If that blocks off,
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and he hasn't been exercising,
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then he's toast, as they say.
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So that's one
thing. The other thing is
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he didn't get the idea
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that he needs to be
on a whole-plant foods,
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eaten whole, diet.
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So even if he were to go
back and eat totally vegan,
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but he would be adding in
the refined carbohydrates,
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and the refined oils,
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then he still wouldn't
turn that mechanism off.
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And then the third
thing is what I just...
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That's my song and dance.
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I'm harping on
this to everybody.
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But I didn't know about it when
I went through medical school.
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And that is that when you eat
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only plant-based fats,
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you get those
tiny little arteries
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that dilate up just enough.
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So those plugs in his
arteries, they haven't changed.
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But those tiny,
tiny little arteries,
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they're at the end point.
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They've dilated up just enough
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so that the oxygenated blood
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is flowing in into
all parts of his body.
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So his heart...
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It's very, very noticeable
to him because he's had this,
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and he knows what
he can and can't do.
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It goes to his brain,
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it's going to his kidneys,
it's going all over his body.
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And that's why he looks better
than when he first came, too.
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And only 17 days.
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And he's had this
problem for 18 years,
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where he was going
to go under the knife
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and decided not to, and he's
gotten progressively better.
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What the good news is,
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that we can make a change.
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But on this
plant-based food program,
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whole food program,
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we can totally reverse
this cardiovascular situation.
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But see, the thing
is, that's the thing.
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It's not reversed.
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But those little tiny
arteries are dilated up.
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So it's way out at the
end, right where the cells are.
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Now, when he
does that, when Ornish
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and especially
Esselstyn did their work,
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and they redid the angiograms,
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they saw that some of
them had 70 percent regression
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of some of these plaques.
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But see, the thing is,
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we keep looking at the plaque,
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and the plaque is
not where the answer is.
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And also, when you eat
the green leafy vegetables
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as Doctor
Esselstyn, he points this out.
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That's one of his biggest things
that he wants people to do.
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Because that's
another thing that happens.
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You get nitric oxide,
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and that also helps
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with the circulation,
the micro-circulation.
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So you get those two together.
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The exercise is in there,
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and so the heart is
starting to pump stronger,
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and that circulation is better.
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The big vessels,
the small vessels,
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and the capillaries,
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because there's no fat in there
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to plug up those capillaries,
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so that those red blood
cells can't get through there.
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All of it together.
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And what was so neat about his
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is that it was incremental.
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You want to ask me about that?
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Let me ask you about that!
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No, you were on a roll there.
I didn't want to stop you!
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But I did want to interrupt you
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and ask you
about this elasticity
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of the arteries, the veins, etc.
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The arteries is
what we're talking about.
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Yeah, and what I
heard you say was,
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these become
more flexible and...
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No, what happens is
that the tiny smooth muscle
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in these little tiny arteries,
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the prostaglandins-- and
here goes that word again--
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the prostaglandins
allow those blood vessels
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to dilate at just enough
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so that the flow of
blood goes right to the cells.
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And that is it. It
starts within three days.
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So I'm glad you
asked about the increments.
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Let me ask you
about the increments.
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Okay, there we go.
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So going around
the half-mile loop,
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the first day or
two that he was here,
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he got the anginal
pain. He alluded to that.
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But I was watching for....
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When he told me that,
I was watching for that.
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Then the second, like
six, seven, eight days,
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he was able to
walk around a mile,
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and he didn't
have to stop talking.
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In other words, he could
talk and walk, which is...
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We don't want you
to be so breathless
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that you can't talk
when you're walking.
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And he didn't
get the anginal pain.
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And then he was able
to do two laps around
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without stopping, and he
didn't get the anginal pain.
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See, these are progressive,
and each time that I saw him
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he would just,
"I've got news for you!
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I've got a miracle!"
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He was so excited about it.
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And then when we put
him on the treadmill,
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we could see the
difference there,
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because we asked him,
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"Alright, tell us as soon
as you get the anginal pain."
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And it was later.
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It was a couple
of minutes later.
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And then, "How bad does it get?"
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The first time he
said, "It's a 7 or an 8."
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And you could see
the look on his face,
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that he wanted to stop.
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And so he did stop,
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and into the recovery stage
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I asked him. He said,
"Well, now it's down to a 5.
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Now it's down to a 3."
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And then about 4 to 6 minutes
later he says, "Now it's gone."
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The most it got
to when he had done
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a couple minutes longer,
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the most it got up
to was 5 out of 10,
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if 10 was worst
and 0 or 1 was like....
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So it only got up to a 5,
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it was later than it had before,
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and then when he said
that it started easing off
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was within two minutes.
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And then before
the four to six minutes
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he said, "It's
totally gone now."
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And see, that's not
those bigger vessels.
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They haven't changed in 18 days.
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But it's the tiny blood vessels
starting within three days,
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they start dilating up.
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The nitric oxide
helps too, and it's just...
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So the blockage is not
removed then, at this point.
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Everything is
expanding a little bit.
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No, but see, it's
not such a big deal,
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because those
really tight blockages
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are in a certain area there,
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and the blood goes around that,
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unless there's a
fatty meal or a clot
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that's going to get stuck there.
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It goes on through there,
00:20:03.36\00:20:05.21
but when it
gets out to that area
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where the tiny
little blood vessels are,
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if those aren't dilated up,
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even taking the blockages out
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isn't going to
be that effective.
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I see. Yep.
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So... It's a
whole different concept.
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A whole different concept.
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And I just read, I got it
from one of my colleagues,
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70 percent of
heart attacks occur
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in an artery that is
only 50 percent blocked.
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Seventy percent of heart attacks
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occur in an artery that
is only 50 percent blocked.
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It's that inflammatory,
hot plaque that breaks open.
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Well, that's very interesting.
00:20:44.72\00:20:46.33
I could talk for
hours with you about this,
00:20:46.34\00:20:48.81
but as you know, the
clock is winding down.
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Do you have any
last minute statement
00:20:51.57\00:20:53.39
you'd like to
share with the viewers?
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Well, there's a lot of
people that won't do this,
00:20:55.42\00:20:57.27
but I wish more
people knew about it,
00:20:57.28\00:20:59.48
and we could coach them along.
00:20:59.72\00:21:02.12
And if they would try
it they would realize that
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it's everything that
everything else isn't.
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Amen.
00:21:08.54\00:21:09.78
Doctor Lukens,
we want to thank you
00:21:09.79\00:21:11.66
for joining us
here in the studio.
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Anytime. Oh, what a grip!
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Yes, anytime on this.
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I really
appreciate you being here.
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And folks, thank
you for joining us,
00:21:20.06\00:21:22.30
but don't go away,
because we have a tip for you
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right after this short break.
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Welcome to NEWSTART at Home.
I'm your host Don Mackintosh.
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We're glad that
you're with us today,
00:21:44.72\00:21:46.18
and in the studio today
we have Rich Kollumberg.
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And Rich, you've written a book,
00:21:49.31\00:21:50.78
"Clean Seven Steps to Freedom:
What Every Addict Needs."
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Your wife and yourself
have written this book,
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probably because you
have a little experience.
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A little bit of experience,
about 25 years of experience
00:21:58.63\00:22:01.45
of becoming a drug addict.
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Okay. Can't put
it any other way.
00:22:04.51\00:22:07.00
And you know, you
kind of laugh nervously,
00:22:07.30\00:22:10.30
but it was
really not a good time.
00:22:10.33\00:22:12.00
Not a pleasant experience.
00:22:12.18\00:22:13.48
But praise God,
even you go that way,
00:22:13.57\00:22:16.72
God can work things for good,
00:22:17.00\00:22:18.54
and now you're helping
people get out of that.
00:22:18.63\00:22:20.03
That's true. Right
now my wife and I are
00:22:20.12\00:22:23.15
helping people to get out
of the bondage of addiction,
00:22:23.21\00:22:27.45
to realize that they
don't have to live that way.
00:22:27.66\00:22:30.24
You and I talked, and you said
there's two types of addiction,
00:22:30.66\00:22:33.54
substance and...
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Behavioral. Behaviors.
00:22:35.15\00:22:37.00
And substances would be
00:22:37.12\00:22:40.42
alcohol, drugs,
whatever-- your drug of choice.
00:22:40.45\00:22:42.54
And what are
some of the behaviors?
00:22:42.75\00:22:44.27
Well, the behaviors
are anger, jealousy,
00:22:44.54\00:22:48.51
pride, sexual addictions,
00:22:48.60\00:22:51.72
gambling, and one that you
might not think too much about,
00:22:52.03\00:22:55.51
and that would be disobedience.
00:22:55.54\00:22:56.69
So you're kind of
addicted to disobedience?
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Have you ever run a red light?
00:22:59.33\00:23:01.45
And when you run the red light,
00:23:02.03\00:23:03.57
there's a little chill
that goes down your spine
00:23:03.69\00:23:06.12
and you look in
the mirror and you say,
00:23:06.21\00:23:08.06
"Whew. I didn't get caught."
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And the first place you go,
00:23:10.21\00:23:11.51
you tell
somebody else about that.
00:23:11.52\00:23:13.15
There's a little bit of a thrill
that happens with disobedience.
00:23:13.48\00:23:16.81
Well, I've never
really had that thrill,
00:23:17.00\00:23:18.12
I've got to face it,
but I can see what you mean.
00:23:18.13\00:23:19.60
There's been
some other areas where
00:23:19.61\00:23:21.21
I've been overly
thrilled about things.
00:23:21.22\00:23:22.75
So there's like kind of a rush
00:23:23.09\00:23:24.48
that comes from
doing what's wrong.
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Yeah.
00:23:26.13\00:23:27.36
And this is what
happened in your life?
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This is what
happened in my life.
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And you know,
disobedience is funny,
00:23:31.60\00:23:33.21
because you start
stepping out on the edge,
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and after you get
so far out on the edge,
00:23:35.31\00:23:37.45
then that thrill is gone.
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You've got to move
out a little bit farther
00:23:38.67\00:23:40.18
and a little bit farther.
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Disobedience is funny.
00:23:41.57\00:23:43.00
If you want a child
not to do something,
00:23:43.01\00:23:46.18
you tell them to do it.
-"Don't look at the red monkey."
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Don't look at the red monkey,
00:23:48.45\00:23:49.57
or don't think
about red monkeys.
00:23:49.58\00:23:50.81
And we're all
thinking about them right now.
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It's funny like that.
00:23:52.64\00:23:54.24
So that's kind of like
part of the human nature,
00:23:54.51\00:23:57.75
the human condition, that
you just kind of are drawn
00:23:57.81\00:24:00.81
to sometimes what's wrong.
00:24:01.06\00:24:03.15
The grass on the
other side of the fence.
00:24:03.16\00:24:05.30
Exactly. You know,
the first drug-pusher
00:24:05.31\00:24:07.66
that there ever was, was Satan
00:24:07.72\00:24:09.69
in the Garden of
Eden, and the drug
00:24:10.03\00:24:11.27
he was pushing was disobedience.
00:24:11.28\00:24:12.72
In fact, if you read
Story of Redemption page 36,
00:24:13.06\00:24:18.33
you will read, "She then
00:24:18.75\00:24:20.63
plucked for
herself the fruit and ate,
00:24:20.64\00:24:23.51
and imagined she
felt a quickening power
00:24:23.52\00:24:26.18
of a new and elevated existence
00:24:26.21\00:24:28.72
as a result of the exhilarating
00:24:28.78\00:24:32.15
influence of
the forbidden fruit.
00:24:32.16\00:24:34.60
She was in a strange
and unnatural excitement
00:24:34.87\00:24:37.69
as she sought her husband
with her hands filled with the
00:24:37.70\00:24:40.27
forbidden fruit."
00:24:40.51\00:24:41.75
She actually got
high on this disobedience.
00:24:41.78\00:24:46.57
So even though it's wrong,
00:24:47.06\00:24:48.33
you become obedient to the wrong
00:24:48.42\00:24:50.45
instead of
obedient to the right.
00:24:50.46\00:24:52.51
So how can this change?
How did it change for you?
00:24:52.66\00:24:54.48
Well, I had to first
be honest with myself,
00:24:54.57\00:25:00.06
and realize and tell myself
the truth that I was an addict.
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It's interesting because
God is real gentle with us,
00:25:03.43\00:25:07.45
but He's firm with us.
00:25:07.54\00:25:09.33
And after I cried out to God
00:25:09.69\00:25:11.33
and He helped
me, He said that...
00:25:11.39\00:25:13.21
He told me, kind of
in a sense of humor,
00:25:13.33\00:25:15.30
He said, "You think
you're pretty smart, don't you?"
00:25:15.31\00:25:17.45
I said, "Yeah, I do."
00:25:17.51\00:25:19.12
And He says, "Well Rich,
00:25:19.18\00:25:20.21
this is what your
best thinking got you,
00:25:20.22\00:25:21.78
was 25 years of drug abuse,
00:25:22.18\00:25:24.24
you've used everybody up
in your life, and you're..."
00:25:24.25\00:25:26.81
So when this
thought came to you,
00:25:27.42\00:25:28.63
where were you?
Were you sitting alone?
00:25:28.64\00:25:30.51
Everybody's kind
of alienated from you?
00:25:30.52\00:25:32.45
Yeah. I was all done.
00:25:32.54\00:25:34.03
I was all done. I
was all by myself.
00:25:34.04\00:25:35.87
Even my girlfriend
wouldn't see me anymore.
00:25:36.03\00:25:37.78
That's what my best
thinking had gotten me,
00:25:37.81\00:25:40.12
was a life of disobedience.
00:25:40.21\00:25:41.66
And that thought came to you?
00:25:41.69\00:25:43.27
In other words, your
best thinking led to nothing.
00:25:43.36\00:25:46.42
Yeah, it led to nothing.
00:25:46.51\00:25:47.51
Forty-one years
trying it my way didn't work.
00:25:47.63\00:25:50.15
God said it's
time to try it His way.
00:25:50.24\00:25:52.66
And that's what
opened you up to obedience
00:25:52.81\00:25:55.60
to His truth
instead of disobedience.
00:25:55.61\00:25:58.48
Right, the new way of thinking.
The whole new way of thinking.
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In our life we're walking around
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dragging this bag, so to speak,
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in our minds, and
this bag is disobedience.
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And we keep putting
stuff into that bag,
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and that bag gets really heavy.
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But when you come
to Christ and you obey,
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you start pulling
stuff out of that bag,
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and He says, "My
burden is light."
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It's kind of deep if it does...
obedience in other areas.
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"Every thought," the Bible
says, "brought into obedience."
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Great thoughts
here in this book that
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you've written
along with your wife,
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"Clean Seven Steps to Freedom."
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You can go on our website,
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and there's a link there,
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and it will take
you right to the site
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where you can get this book.
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It's a great resource.
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We're glad you've been
here. Thanks for coming.
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My pleasure.
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And thank you for coming.
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We hope that
you have as a result
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a new start that
starts right now.
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Modern views of
evolution stem all the way back
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to theories
developed in the mid-1800s.
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Out of the same time
period came ideas that shape
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our educational system today.
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The Common School
Movement, for example,
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saw schools more like a factory,
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with students blindly
memorizing instruction
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rather than
thinking for themselves.
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Their curriculum was
rigid and theoretical.
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Instead of being
flexible and practical,
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it was designed to
conform the individual
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into a specific ideological mold
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that fit the needs
of an old industrial era
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long since passed.
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Just like our view of
creation in six literal days,
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we believe the Bible contains
an educational blueprint
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radically different
from the one we see now.
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Well friends,
thank you for joining us.
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In the meantime, pick
up the phone and call:
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May God bless you.
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