Hi folks, and welcome to
another edition of NEWSTART Now.
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We have a guest with us today.
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Her name is Lee.
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I'll get her to pronounce
her full name in just a moment,
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but I'd like to
take a look at the video
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of when she first arrived here.
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About a month ago or so,
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I was going to South
America for ten weeks
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to specialize my Spanish.
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And two weeks before that,
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I saw some stuff
that bothered me.
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And I went to the
doctor and went for tests,
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and they told me within
a week that I have cancer.
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So I went through surgery,
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and they said that
they were able to take
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everything that was cancerous.
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But they also sent
me to an oncologist.
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And the routine is, in my case,
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I would have to go
through sixteen weeks of chemo,
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and four weeks of radiation.
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And I said, "Let
me think about it,
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because it's only three weeks,
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not even quite,
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out of surgery."
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And I thought,
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If they put me on chemo,
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the way I feel now,
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I doubt that I would make it.
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Really, Weimar I
think is my hope for now
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to have a quality life.
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Welcome back, folks.
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In our studio we have Lee.
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Lee, how are you?
Very good, thank you.
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And would you pronounce
for me your entire name now?
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Sure. It's
Wilhelmina Lee Cachola.
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Oh, Wilhelmina Lee Cachola.
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Can I just call you Lee?
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Of course. Great.
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Well Lee, you've been
with us now for about 17 days,
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and I know you've gone
through a lot of changes.
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Tell us about what has happened
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from our first
interview till now.
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A lot of things.
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A lot of good things, positive.
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And I'm very hopeful.
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The class is well-catered,
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and the people that
work here, who help us,
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make it easy for us
to follow the rules.
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And I certainly, certainly felt
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that God's presence is here.
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Yes. And I want to stop
you just for a minute because
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myself, when I
hear the world "rules,"
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I kinda go,
"Wait a minute, rules?"
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I'm not good at doing rules!
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What do you mean by "rules"?
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Well...not rules, really.
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Where, you know, the...
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The theme of
this is going back to
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what God has laid down for us
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in our eating, healthwise,
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so that we don't go
through the maladies of life.
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And I felt that in my case,
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I have not been following that.
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So it's really
good. It's not rules.
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It's just
getting us in that path,
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and hopefully we will
live a more good life.
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So I believe that
with the nutrition,
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with the use of air
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and exercise,
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and balance it
with trusting in God,
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that makes it
such a good program.
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We all felt that way.
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And I notice the difference
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between the first
interview and now.
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You seem to be a little more...
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You're glowing a little bit.
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And, may I ask your age?
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I'm sixty-three.
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You're sixty-three?
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I'm a grandmother of two,
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and a mother of one.
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I asked you that
because I knew your age;
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I just wanted the
viewers to know that.
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You don't look a
day older than 39.
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Thank you. I felt
better since I came here.
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And what has
changed with regards to your
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colon cancer? You had that,
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and you had surgery.
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Right now that's in remission?
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There's no
evidence of any cancers?
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I do not know, to
tell you the truth.
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What they told me is
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they took everything
that they could see there.
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But because
cancer is a microscopic,
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they want to do
chemotherapy and radiation.
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When I make that
decision, probably next week,
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but I don't know when,
they are going to do it.
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I don't believe I will do that.
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I feel a lot better now.
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I walk at least
close to three miles.
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I was not able to
walk when I came to Weimar.
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And I hit the treadmill,
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good food,
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good people to talk to,
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supportive doctors,
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everybody has
just been wonderful.
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I want to talk about...
You mentioned depression.
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Now, I know a lot of our
viewers are extremely depressed
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for a variety of reasons.
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Usually when
people find out, I'm told
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that when they're sick
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they're told by their doctor,
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"Look, you have
this or you have that."
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That of itself is
somewhat depressing.
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But when did the
depression begin with you, Lee?
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Well, I probably had depression;
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I just probably was in denial.
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I had felt sick for a while.
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I wasn't able to sleep.
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I had all kinds of things,
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stress occasions,
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but it can be depressing when
someone says, "You have cancer."
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I just don't know
how to process it.
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But you know, I think we
are in charge of our lives.
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And you make that choice,
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if it's going
to take you down or
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you can turn it around,
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and pray that the Lord somehow
is trying to give you a message.
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And hopefully it can turn
around into a positive note.
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Okay, so now the
depression has subsided,
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you're able to sleep...
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Is that right?
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Are you resting now?
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Do you have more confidence?
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I do feel better.
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I have no problem sleeping now,
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and I just can't
wait to hit the bed
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after a day of
lectures and lessons.
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And so, the
depression is going away.
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We have wonderful
lectures by Doctor Nedley.
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And, it does go away.
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You just have to
have this tremendous trust
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that God is going to help you.
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You know, a lot of us who
come to the NEWSTART program,
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of which I was one,
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I came through in
August of '05. I was depressed.
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But what we have
found with this depression
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is a lifestyle of what
we eat and what we drink.
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And as soon as I
got off the meats,
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and the dairies and the cheeses,
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and all those "good"
things, and the alcohol,
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of course depression
went away immediately,
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almost overnight. I
was just amazed by it.
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But I see a change in you,
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and I just want
to wish you well.
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I've got to ask this, though.
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What are you going to
do now when you get home?
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Have you learned
something since you've been here
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that will change your
life from this day forward?
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Yes.
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I would have to cook,
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because I would have
control over my diet.
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I cannot rely on cooked food.
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I have to do it myself.
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And with God's
help, I hope I can...
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I will stay on that diet.
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I already made that choice.
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I was corrected that
I should not promise.
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I should make a choice.
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And that's my choice.
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Stay on the diet,
clean air, walking,
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trust in God,
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and make sure that every
day, I have to make that choice.
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It should be alright.
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Well, what about your family?
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How's your family going to
adjust to this lifestyle change?
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Fortunately, I live on my own.
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Oh, you do. Yes.
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I just go visit my
family every now and then.
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No more lumpia, huh?
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Absolutely not. çlaughterÑ
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None of that.
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Well good. No oil.
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No oil. Good for you.
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I'm glad you've
learned that lesson.
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And Lee, I want to thank you
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for joining us
here in our studio.
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I'm thankful to our Lord
that you've got a new start.
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Thank you so
much. Yes, thank you.
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And folks, there you
have another interview,
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Lee, who has come to
us with some colon cancer.
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Hopefully she's on
the road to recovery.
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But don't go away!
We'll be right back.
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Well, you've done very well.
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Do you have diabetes,
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heart disease,
high blood pressure,
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or do you weigh too much?
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Hi, my name is Dr. Ing,
and I'd like to tell you
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about our 18-day
NEWSTART lifestyle program.
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It includes a
comprehensive medical evaluation
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with laboratory studies
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and an exercise stress test,
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physician consultations,
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culinary school,
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and an opportunity to
walk on beautiful trails
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in the foothills of the Sierras.
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important things
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Welcome back friends,
and in our studio right now
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I have a surprise
for you-- Doctor Lukens.
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How are you?
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Very good, thank you.
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I'm always happy to talk about
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something that's
really, really on my heart,
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and that's the
health of the people.
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Yes, and we have so many people
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that attend our
program each month,
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and I know that
you and Doctor Ing
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usually divide them
up 50-50 pretty much,
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and we're going to be
talking about Lee Cachola.
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Lee came to us a
couple of weeks ago,
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and I know she's
visited with you several times.
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Tell us a little bit
about her progression.
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She seems to have a
good attitude right now.
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Her energy is a
little bit higher.
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What's happened?
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Well, this is the first
time this has ever happened,
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and I've been here 20 years.
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We have two people that kind
of got out of intensive care,
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got off the
operating table and came to us.
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Actually it's been three weeks,
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and it's for
colo-rectal surgery,
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this type of
thing, colon and rectum.
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And these type of
cancers are almost solely
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due to eating red meat,
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and there's other factors.
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Irritation from
things like diverticuli,
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Crohn's disease,
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and colitis,
and all these things
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enter into it.
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But you know, those
diseases are not over in Africa.
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I remember in the
15 years I was there
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I only saw two cases of cancer.
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But they eat
meat in Africa, right?
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Almost none,
because that's their wealth,
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their cattle and so-forth.
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In fact, the
thing that surprised
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the people up in
the United Kingdom,
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because Dr. Dennis Burkett
went down there to Africa.
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He was an eminent surgeon,
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and what he did was
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went to help the Africans
out with their surgical needs.
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And he kept looking for the
people that he was going to help
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with their cancer and
all this kind of stuff,
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and he never found any.
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And so he started
talking about this.
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It's a very interesting story.
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We'll have to
talk about it sometime.
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But here she is,
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just a couple weeks
out of the hospital,
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She's still having
the cramping and the pain,
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and all this
stuff that goes along
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when you have a
resection of your bowel
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and they're not
working the way they should.
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But it's got to be
because of the flesh foods,
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because there's dozens of
studies that have shown this,
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and primarily it's red meat.
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What happens with a person
who is on a high flesh diet,
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and I'm not necessarily saying
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that she was on
a lot of red meat,
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but through the years
what's happening is that
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the wall of the
colon is developing polyps.
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Diverticuli, hemorrhoids,
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are almost unknown
in the third world.
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So little by little, as
these irritative byproducts,
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as this excrement is
going through the colon,
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it's in there a longer time
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and it's irritating the bowel,
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and these polyps are
starting to get cells on them
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that are starting to change,
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and they're
becoming precancerous,
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and then they become cancerous,
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and then by the time
you've got them they're....
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That's why
colonoscopy is so important,
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especially if
there's any history.
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By the way, I had my first
colonoscopy about a year ago.
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How was it? It was fine!
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You know, I wasn't
looking forward to it.
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They're getting really slick.
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Yeah, no pun intended.
But I actually...it was fine!
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I went through it.
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They said I was good,
come back in five years.
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I think it's
essential at a certain age.
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But I want to
ask you a question.
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With regards to her
condition or people like her,
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does it have
any... fried foods--
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What about foods that
are packed with grease?
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You know, any of
these things are factors,
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but see, when you
are on a vegan diet,
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you get a
different kind of bacteria,
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and people that
first start on it,
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they just think that they've
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become a gas balloon
or something like that,
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because it's just...you know.
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But as the bacteria change,
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the ones that are going through
there with the meat products,
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you just say the rotten
meat that's gone through there,
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the meat that's
being and been digested,
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they have bacteria that
are giving off things...
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They grow better when
there's not as much air around.
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And they have substances
that are called putrescine,
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and cadaverine,
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and these things are
very, very irritating.
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And these polyps
are hanging down there
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and all this stuff goes
by, and it goes by slowly.
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The average vegan,
between 12 and 30 hours
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what they've
eaten has gone through.
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A person that's
on a high meat diet,
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72 hours, 90 hours...
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If they're in a
convalescent hospital
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and they're on some opiates,
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two weeks later, you see?
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And so it's just
slowly moving through there.
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It's very irritating.
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It has a chance to
work on these cells,
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and they become cancerous.
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And there's no indication
that there's anything.
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That can be there 5
years, 10 years, 15 years,
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slowly progressing.
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And a lot of
times, by the time it's...
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That's why you have to
do it prophylactically.
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You have to do it ahead of
time and see what's in there.
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Now, the meat
itself, that's one thing,
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but let me ask you
another thing that's on my mind.
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What about all the different
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products that they
feed cattle these days,
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and all these things?
Do they create some...
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Yeah, those are all factors.
00:18:03.37\00:18:04.69
But we're talking
about cancer of the colon,
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and it's the
putrefactive byproducts.
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This is when
there's toxic waste.
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People talk about
all kinds of toxic waste,
00:18:16.30\00:18:18.54
and there's a lot
of stuff out there--
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colon cleanse, and you get
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these things that come
out like a string of sausages.
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That's a whole bunch of rubbish.
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But this is really toxic waste,
and it's irritating those cells,
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and those cells
are turning cancerous,
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And they seldom give
you a real big indication
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until it's really pretty late.
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That's why you've
got to do it early.
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You've got to check early.
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With regards to Lee,
00:18:45.67\00:18:47.51
now she's
learned a new lifestyle.
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She's had the
procedure done, she's come here,
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she is sticking to this program.
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She says she's feeling
better. She looks better.
00:18:54.63\00:18:57.30
Yeah, well remember, she was
just 2 or 3 weeks after surgery.
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Even then, they
did it with the scopes.
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Oh really?
Yeah, they didn't cut.
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Both of them had it done
with the scopes. Yeah, go ahead.
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With regards to her situation,
00:19:11.18\00:19:13.75
if she were to stay
on this vegan lifestyle--
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As. Not if, but
as she stays on it.
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--on this vegan lifestyle,
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are you telling me, are you
telling the viewing audience,
00:19:25.78\00:19:28.87
that pretty much her
condition will just go away?
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Her chances of
getting recurrent cancer
00:19:32.84\00:19:36.21
are as low as they would be
00:19:36.22\00:19:38.39
for her getting the original
cancer when she stays on that.
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Not a hundred
percent, but almost that low.
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And the thing is that
she had high cholesterol too.
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So what we did
was we got her off
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the cholesterol-
lowering medication.
00:19:52.54\00:19:54.45
She was on a
pretty big dose of it.
00:19:54.46\00:19:56.27
And now she can
follow her cholesterol.
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And when she
follows her cholesterol
00:19:59.69\00:20:01.63
and her
cholesterol gets below 150,
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then she's going to realize
that she's on the program.
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I had somebody that
didn't have cancer that said,
00:20:07.79\00:20:11.24
"Since I went
through the program,
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I have never knowingly allowed
one particle of animal product
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to pass my lips since then."
00:20:19.51\00:20:21.45
And the guy
looked ten years younger
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than when he had
first come into the program.
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Aside now from the problems
that we've already discussed,
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was there anything else?
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Medications
she's no longer taking?
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Yeah, there was some.
00:20:38.27\00:20:40.09
She had some reflux and
all those kind of things.
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All these kind of things.
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But what I'd really
like to concentrate on
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is the fact that she has
to be vegan, totally vegan,
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no refined foods for
the rest of her life,
00:20:51.33\00:20:53.81
and it probably
will never come back.
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Well, that's an amazing
statement that you just made,
00:20:58.84\00:21:02.15
but I've
experienced it in my own life,
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being vegan now for four
years, and the transformation.
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Doctor Lukens, I
want to thank you
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for being in our studio.
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It's my pleasure,
as always, because
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that is something
they've got to know.
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Folks, thanks for joining us,
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but don't go away, because
we have a tip for you right now.
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Hi, welcome to NEWSTART Now.
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I'm Don Mackintosh, and
I'm glad to be talking today
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with Dr. Brian Schwartz.
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Welcome,
Doctor. Well, thank you.
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We're going to be
talking about this today.
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It's, well, something
that's like this--a heart.
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And you're a cardiologist,
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which just means
you study the heart.
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What does that mean exactly?
00:21:51.48\00:21:52.51
You went to school
for medical school,
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then you went
through a residency
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that looked at the heart.
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Well actually, residency
is in internal medicine,
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then there's an additional
four years of training
00:22:00.00\00:22:01.69
after the medicine residency
to specialize just in the heart.
00:22:01.70\00:22:05.30
So it's like 4 years,
and 4 years, plus 4 years.
00:22:05.39\00:22:07.72
Yeah, when I turned 40 I told
people I had played for 5 years,
00:22:08.00\00:22:11.81
worked for 5 years, and the rest
of my time I had been training.
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It's a very long time.
00:22:14.72\00:22:15.84
Okay, good. So there's probably
00:22:16.45\00:22:18.09
not a better
person to talk about
00:22:18.10\00:22:19.66
what really happens when
someone has a heart attack.
00:22:19.81\00:22:22.84
Some of the signs
and symptoms maybe,
00:22:23.03\00:22:25.66
let's give a couple of those,
00:22:25.78\00:22:26.87
and then talk about
what's really happening
00:22:26.88\00:22:28.66
when someone has a heart attack.
00:22:28.67\00:22:30.03
Yeah, actually,
looking at the heart,
00:22:30.36\00:22:32.27
when someone has a heart attack,
00:22:32.28\00:22:34.12
they immediately
may feel a heaviness
00:22:34.27\00:22:36.03
or a squeezing
pressure in their heart.
00:22:36.04\00:22:37.75
And that's the way of
the heart to tell them that
00:22:38.03\00:22:40.87
that part of the
muscle to the heart
00:22:41.18\00:22:42.60
is not getting enough oxygen.
00:22:42.61\00:22:43.75
So what actually
happens in the arteries,
00:22:44.00\00:22:46.00
and there's three main
arteries that go to the heart,
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Point on there so you
can see on your camera.
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What happens, which...?
00:22:50.48\00:22:51.48
Okay, so the heart pumps
the blood to the whole body,
00:22:51.78\00:22:54.72
but it also has
three arteries that
00:22:55.09\00:22:56.51
pump the blood
back to its own muscle.
00:22:56.52\00:22:58.09
There's one artery on
the right side of the heart
00:22:58.42\00:23:00.15
called the
right coronary artery.
00:23:00.16\00:23:01.57
And then the left artery
gives off two main branches.
00:23:01.66\00:23:04.03
One goes around the back of
the heart called the circumflex,
00:23:04.21\00:23:06.48
and the biggest artery typically
00:23:06.49\00:23:08.18
goes down the
front of the heart,
00:23:08.19\00:23:09.75
called the LAD--the left
anterior descending artery.
00:23:09.81\00:23:13.21
And so what happens then?
00:23:14.21\00:23:15.48
They had that feeling maybe
of crushing pain or whatnot
00:23:15.49\00:23:18.69
for three to five
minutes, and then?
00:23:18.81\00:23:20.36
What's happening really?
00:23:20.37\00:23:21.36
So, looking at the artery,
00:23:21.42\00:23:23.78
the heart does an
incredible amount of work.
00:23:23.79\00:23:26.63
This muscle has to
get blood supplied to it,
00:23:27.09\00:23:29.84
oxygen supplied to it,
00:23:30.00\00:23:31.15
just like all the rest
of the organs of the body.
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If that were to stop
because the artery just suddenly
00:23:32.87\00:23:35.42
constricts down or plugs off
00:23:35.43\00:23:37.78
because of a clot or
a rupture of a plaque,
00:23:37.79\00:23:40.06
that would
immediately cause necrosis,
00:23:40.15\00:23:43.78
or a lack of
oxygen occurring to those
00:23:43.79\00:23:45.48
areas of the
muscle, which start to die.
00:23:45.49\00:23:47.45
And as it starts to die,
it causes pain or discomfort.
00:23:47.57\00:23:50.84
So that doesn't
just happen all at once.
00:23:50.87\00:23:53.57
That's a process
maybe that builds up.
00:23:53.78\00:23:56.51
Yeah, unfortunately in America,
00:23:56.81\00:23:58.63
little fatty streaks
start occurring in the artery
00:23:58.64\00:24:01.66
even in newborn babies.
00:24:01.67\00:24:03.63
Newborn babies?
00:24:03.78\00:24:05.12
We now know that it can
occur in newborn babies,
00:24:05.36\00:24:07.36
and even through teenage years
00:24:07.45\00:24:09.30
those little fatty
areas start to thicken.
00:24:09.36\00:24:11.51
This is a process that
occurs over 40, 50, 60 years
00:24:11.63\00:24:15.18
until it gets to a point
where the buildup of plaque
00:24:15.19\00:24:17.87
narrows that artery.
00:24:17.88\00:24:19.81
And it may get to
the point where due to
00:24:20.06\00:24:23.45
excessive emotional stress
00:24:23.54\00:24:25.27
or sudden exertion
that you're not in shape for
00:24:25.36\00:24:28.39
can just cause
that plaque to rupture.
00:24:28.60\00:24:30.66
When it ruptures
it exposes lots of
00:24:31.03\00:24:35.27
agents to the bloodstream that
can cause a blood clot to begin.
00:24:36.18\00:24:39.39
And as that blood
clot begins it can
00:24:39.45\00:24:41.51
shut down the artery completely,
00:24:41.60\00:24:42.72
and that's what
leads to a heart attack.
00:24:42.73\00:24:44.15
So it's really, the plaque
rupturing is not the big thing.
00:24:44.45\00:24:49.33
It's the other
things that it causes
00:24:49.39\00:24:51.63
to put into action
that's the big thing.
00:24:51.64\00:24:54.12
That's exactly right.
00:24:54.60\00:24:57.27
There is a serious problem
00:24:57.63\00:24:58.87
with the artery
closing down completely.
00:24:58.88\00:25:00.78
But what happens is
the plaque ruptures.
00:25:01.09\00:25:03.12
As the plaque
ruptures it exposes this lipid,
00:25:03.24\00:25:06.00
which is like cholesterol
plaque inside the plaque.
00:25:06.18\00:25:09.03
And as that gets
exposed to the bloodstream,
00:25:09.04\00:25:12.24
the little platelets and
things that cause a blood clot
00:25:12.45\00:25:14.42
start sticking
to that lipid core.
00:25:14.43\00:25:16.39
Other things are
released, such as
00:25:16.81\00:25:18.81
catecholamines or epinephrine.
00:25:19.03\00:25:21.24
That causes
spasm of the arteries.
00:25:21.39\00:25:23.30
And once you disrupt
one plaque in the artery,
00:25:23.31\00:25:26.45
you can cause
disruptions in other plaques,
00:25:26.46\00:25:28.48
and you even have a
higher risk for a stroke
00:25:28.54\00:25:30.33
or a heart attack in a
second area of the heart.
00:25:30.36\00:25:33.36
So, there's mediators that flow
00:25:34.39\00:25:35.72
throughout the whole
body during a heart attack,
00:25:35.73\00:25:37.75
not just affecting
that one area of the heart.
00:25:37.81\00:25:40.12
Well, let's say I
just want to avoid this.
00:25:40.36\00:25:44.33
Let's say I have heart
disease and I want to avoid it.
00:25:44.45\00:25:46.39
And we've got about 30
seconds for this, but...
00:25:46.40\00:25:49.06
I mean, because that can happen!
00:25:49.07\00:25:50.42
But what can I do? I've
already got heart disease.
00:25:50.54\00:25:52.75
How can I make sure
that I don't have one?
00:25:53.33\00:25:54.51
I mean, not make
sure, but avoid it.
00:25:54.52\00:25:56.21
Once you already know
you have heart disease,
00:25:56.39\00:25:58.60
then you need to treat
the big bioverse factors--
00:25:58.72\00:26:01.60
not smoke, exercise regularly,
00:26:01.81\00:26:05.00
know your cholesterol and
make sure it's under control,
00:26:05.12\00:26:07.33
make sure your blood
pressure is under control,
00:26:07.54\00:26:09.69
and control your diet,
00:26:09.84\00:26:11.24
and make sure you're not obese.
00:26:11.27\00:26:12.69
Say those one more time for us.
00:26:13.00\00:26:14.48
Okay, so, not smoking,
00:26:14.49\00:26:17.39
avoiding
diabetes and hypertension,
00:26:17.60\00:26:20.18
knowing your cholesterol
and having it under control,
00:26:20.51\00:26:23.75
getting plenty of exercise,
00:26:24.30\00:26:25.36
and in America right
now, a big problem is obesity,
00:26:25.39\00:26:28.51
and controlling diet
is important for that.
00:26:28.57\00:26:30.81
We've been talking
with Dr. Brian Schwartz.
00:26:31.18\00:26:33.00
Go to www.newstart.com
for more information on this.
00:26:33.15\00:26:35.63
We're glad that you joined us,
00:26:35.64\00:26:36.72
and thank you for
being with us too.
00:26:36.73\00:26:38.06
Well, you're welcome.
00:26:38.07\00:26:39.27
Modern views of
evolution stem all the way back
00:26:46.63\00:26:49.24
to theories
developed in the mid-1800s.
00:26:49.27\00:26:51.66
Out of the same time
period came ideas that shape
00:26:52.33\00:26:55.63
our educational system today.
00:26:55.66\00:26:57.81
The Common School
Movement, for example,
00:26:58.45\00:27:00.72
saw schools more like a factory,
00:27:01.18\00:27:03.09
with students blindly
memorizing instruction
00:27:03.10\00:27:05.75
rather than
thinking for themselves.
00:27:05.78\00:27:07.75
Their curriculum was
rigid and theoretical.
00:27:08.30\00:27:10.75
Instead of being
flexible and practical,
00:27:10.76\00:27:13.60
it was designed to
conform the individual
00:27:13.75\00:27:16.24
into a specific idealogical mold
00:27:16.33\00:27:18.78
that fit the needs
of an old industrial era
00:27:19.12\00:27:21.57
long since passed.
00:27:21.58\00:27:23.06
Just like our view of
creation in six literal days,
00:27:24.33\00:27:27.57
we believe the Bible contains
an educational blueprint
00:27:27.66\00:27:31.66
radically different
from the one we see now.
00:27:32.03\00:27:34.39
Well friends,
that's it for today.
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Thank you for joining us.
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I hope you enjoyed our show.
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00:27:53.09\00:27:55.81
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