Participants: Ron Giannoni (Host), Larry Gatchel
Series Code: NSN
Program Code: NSN000038
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00:23 Hi folks and welcome to another edition of NEWSTART NOW.
00:27 We have a special guest with us today, 00:29 Larry Gachel, all the way from Arkansas, 00:32 and we want to watch this clip when he first arrived. 00:35 Well, right now my health is pretty bad. 00:39 If I walk about 100 feet my left arm starts aching, 00:42 I've been to several doctors. 00:45 I have a lot of things wrong with me actually. 00:47 One doctor's already done a carotid artery on this side, 00:52 and he's wanting to cut on the other side, and do that side. 00:56 Then I have a heart doctor, that. . . 00:59 he did a chemical stress test on me, 01:02 and was able to tell that some of my 01:04 arteries may be partially blocked around my heart, 01:08 and he wanted to do an exploratory, 01:10 and he said while he was in there, 01:12 if I needed it, he'd just go ahead and put some stints in. 01:16 What I really like about the NEWSTART 01:17 institute is I think they treat the whole person, 01:20 and I'm going to go the for the spiritual, 01:22 the weight loss, the health, 01:24 and everything, because I need it all. 01:26 I feel like the lifestyle I've been leading 01:30 hasn't had much meaning, you know, 01:32 so I'm going to try to go for all of it. 01:36 Well friends welcome back and in our studio, 01:38 Larry, how are you sir? 01:40 Just fine Ron, thank you. 01:41 Good to see you. 01:43 Good to be here still, 01:44 and I'm glad I'm going to graduate! 01:47 That's tonight, we have a graduation dinner don't we? 01:49 Yes. 01:51 I'm looking forward to it as well. 01:53 Now I know when you first got here, you had a lot 01:55 of expectations because you have many things that are 01:59 going on with you. 02:01 Tell us a little bit about why you came here. 02:05 Well, of course my main reason was my health, 02:09 I've had a lot of problems, 02:11 and I've been having angina pains before I got here. 02:16 That was the main reason, but I had a 02:18 lot of little things wrong with me too, 02:20 like stasis dermatitis, 02:21 swelling in the legs, poor circulation. 02:24 And, of course. . . 02:27 overweight by about 100 pounds. 02:30 I've lost 12 pounds already. 02:32 Well congratulations. 02:33 That's good, just being in the 02:35 program these 18 days I've lose 12 pounds, 02:38 so I'm real happy about that. 02:40 Now I know you had a carotid artery 02:43 cleansing, or what did they do? put in a stint? 02:46 No they actually cut the 02:48 carotid artery open and scraped it out 02:51 and sewed it back, there's no stint in that one. 02:55 And how clogged was that, that caused them to do that? 02:58 I think it was maybe 85 percent on that one, 03:01 but my other side 03:03 but Dr. Ing said it wasn't bad enough 03:07 and if I stay on the program, 03:10 that it will get better, and he doesn't think I'll 03:13 need an operation, so I'm real thankful for that. 03:16 So your doctor wanted to do the second artery, and cut it open. 03:22 Dr. Ing has an instrument that he uses, 03:24 I know like a little wand 03:26 that he goes in there and takes a look 03:27 at the artery, and he says it's fine. 03:29 Right. 03:31 Yes he actually got a 03:32 picture of it and showed it to me, 03:34 he said it's maybe about 60 percent blocked, 03:36 but that's ok, I'm getting enough blood flow, 03:38 and it should improve, 03:40 if I keep on the lifestyle program 03:42 here from the NEWSTART institute. 03:44 Wonderful. Now tell us about the heart pain, or the angina. 03:50 Yes, I have angina. When I first got here 03:54 sometimes just getting up out of a chair or going 50 feet, 03:58 my left arm would start aching. 04:00 But now I'm able to go, 04:03 sometimes over half a mile without. . . 04:05 then it just mildly shows up. 04:07 And on my stress test, I went 04:09 considerably longer before I got any angina, 04:13 so it's really quite an improvement for 18 days, 04:15 I can't hardly believe it, it's really great. 04:18 The first day that I met you and we did the interview, 04:22 you and I went for a walk around 04:24 the half mile loop, you remember? 04:25 Yes. 04:27 And I remember you went all the way, very slowly, 04:31 but you made it all the way around the half mile loop. 04:33 Right. 04:34 And have you progressed 04:37 that much more since you've been here in the last seventeen days? 04:42 Right, well I'm walking a lot faster now, 04:44 and I'm doing it quicker you know, 04:46 and with less angina, 04:50 Sometimes it does show up, but it's so improved, 04:55 and I feel like if I just keep doing this it's going 04:57 to get better and better and I'll lose weight you know 05:00 Yes, and you got to get that exercise, 05:03 and all the things that you learned here, 05:06 Now tell us about some of the other things, 05:08 I know that you've had 05:10 cooking school, are you learning to cook? 05:12 Right, and that's really good, 05:14 because I felt like an uneducated vegan! 05:16 I had decided to be a vegan on September the ninth, 05:19 but I didn't really know what I was doing 05:20 except that I knew I wasn't eating any animal products. 05:23 So I've learned a lot of little tricks, 05:25 like don't drink any water when you eat, 05:27 and drink some before and after you eat, 05:30 and stroll for about a half a mile 05:32 after you eat, that helps you digest. 05:35 And also the recipes are really fantastic, 05:39 and some of the recipes are really simple, 05:42 which is really good for me because I eat by myself, 05:46 being able to prepare something quickly for lunch or something, 05:49 that's really great, I didn't know how 05:51 to do that before so that was real good. 05:53 And I know that Mrs. Ing, May, 05:58 takes us out to our market here, 06:01 and teaches us how to shop, does she not? 06:04 She still does that right? 06:06 Right, I had to miss that tour because I had 06:10 an extra doctors appointment, 06:12 I went ahead and got the eye exam and the 06:15 carotid artery test, 06:17 so I didn't get to make that one. 06:20 Well perhaps we can get someone to take you through, and . . . 06:22 Yes, I'd like to see the store. 06:24 But we have had lessons on how to 06:26 shop and read labels and all that, 06:28 so that's good and I've learned quite a bit from that. 06:31 Ok, so aside from the weight loss, 06:34 and the angina, 06:37 what about the other situations? 06:39 I don't know if you can see my shows or not, 06:41 but when I got here, the straps were normal, 06:44 and now I've lost all the edema in my feet, 06:47 and I've got the straps put on, I'm going to 06:49 have to get some narrower shoes it looks like. 06:51 Yes, looks like you are! 06:53 When I was about 35 years old I was 06:56 diagnosed with infectious seborrhea 07:00 which is an auto immune disease of the scalp, 07:02 and it's kind of like permanent 07:05 dandruff with sores, that has disappeared. 07:08 - Wow - And it's supposed 07:09 to be incurable. 07:11 They told me all my life it was incurable, 07:13 and I've been having to buy medicated shampoo 07:16 that's like 58 dollars for four ounces, 07:19 prescription just to wash my hair to kind of control it. 07:23 And now, all the sores are gone, 07:25 I don't have any dandruff anymore. 07:27 You know, that's probably something you didn't expect. 07:29 I didn't expect that no! 07:31 but you know we have people who come here, every month, 07:36 some of them are at the end of their rope, 07:38 they just don't know what else to do, 07:41 and they say, Well I understand there's a lot of 07:43 miracles that happen at the NEWSTART program at Weimar, 07:45 why don't I go there and see what happens? 07:48 Well this was supposed to be incurable. 07:51 That's the point, yes. 07:52 I really didn't expect that. . . it's just unbelievable. 07:57 The thing that really overwhelmed me is how 08:00 loving everybody is here, and the environment 08:03 how sincere, you know, it's not like the real world! 08:07 I'm kind of scared to go back into the real world now, because 08:11 there will be a lot of temptation that we 08:13 didn't have here, everything is so easy here, 08:16 you know, having everybody keep us strait. 08:19 But it's really been good. 08:20 Well I think you're going to do just fine. 08:23 Now, I want to ask you about the hydrotherapy, 08:27 did you have any particular 08:30 challenges with the hydrotherapy? 08:33 No, well it seemed to help my legs. . . 08:37 Well I had the foot bath, you asked about hydrotherapy, 08:41 yes, the hydrotherapy was good, I'm kind of 08:43 familiar with that because I live in hot springs, 08:45 and we have all those old bath houses. 08:47 They were the ones that kind of originated that, 08:50 they had the needle showers, 08:52 you know the real forceful pumps that you set in the tub, 08:55 and then you get the rub down, 08:56 then you get the hot and cold in there 08:58 so I knew a little bit about it. . . 09:00 I mean I've had that before. 09:02 It really helps it stimulates your skin, 09:05 and stimulates your blood flow I believe. 09:07 And they did some special treatment on your feet. 09:10 Right, that was with the foot bath, 09:12 the hot and cold, 09:14 with the moving water you know, and that was really good. 09:19 And I'm going to try to continue that, 09:20 they told me a way I could 09:22 probably figure out how to do it at home, 09:23 so I'm going to try to continue that, 09:25 because I do have poor circulation in my legs. 09:28 I do know about the circulation, 09:30 I had the same problem by the way, 09:34 but after a while the circulation, 09:36 you know the arteries 09:38 start to open up, the 09:39 capillaries and the all the veins. 09:41 And your body does automatic 09:44 bypasses where it didn't use to go. 09:47 So you're going to be fine, 09:48 just keep doing what you're doing. 09:49 I think so. 09:51 And when you get home, 09:52 you're going to stick to this program, 09:54 and I know you're going to do even better, 09:55 because now you know how to cook. 09:57 Right, and I only live about five minutes from the Y, 10:00 and I belong to the Y, and they have a lot of 10:04 weights, and they have treadmills, 10:07 they also have an indoor 10:09 walking in case it's bad weather. 10:11 Larry I want to thank you for joining us on the set here. 10:13 Thank you Ron. 10:15 Our time is running out and I got 10:16 to say good bye to these nice folks. 10:18 Thank you for joining us, don't go away, 10:20 I got a tip for you in a moment. 10:23 Well, you've done very well. 10:31 Do you have diabetes, 10:32 heart disease, high blood pressure, 10:35 or do you weigh too much? 10:37 Hi, my name is Dr. Ing, and I'd like to tell you 10:40 about our 18-day NEWSTART lifestyle program. 10:43 It includes a comprehensive medical 10:45 evaluation with laboratory studies and an 10:48 exercise stress test, 10:50 physician consultations, 10:52 culinary school, 10:54 and an opportunity to walk on beautiful 10:56 trails in the foothills of the Sierras. 11:01 Your health is one of the most 11:02 important things that you have. Don't wait. 11:05 Give us a call. 11:10 Or visit our website. 11:29 Welcome back friends, and as I promised 11:32 Clarence Ing, Doctor how are you? 11:34 Great to be here Ron. 11:35 It's always great to have you here, 11:36 it seems like we just did this! 11:40 I want to talk about our guest. 11:42 I want to get right to it because 11:45 when he arrived here, he was a pretty sick guy. 11:48 He had more going on with him than most of us, 11:52 including myself. 11:55 We. . . lets walk through this, 11:58 Before he got here, he was like 340-350 pounds? 12:02 Yes, 336 pounds, more or less. 12:05 With diabetes? - With diabetes. 12:08 Clogged arteries? - Well, heart disease. 12:10 Primarily heart disease. 12:12 Heart disease, ok. 12:14 And he had the opportunity to go to 12:16 a program given in the church in his area, 12:20 he went to that program and he heard about 12:24 plant based diet and he says from that day on 12:27 he's been on a totally plant based diet, remarkable. 12:30 Absolutely amazing. 12:31 But he lost a considerable 12:33 amount of weight before he came here. 12:36 I think he started around 336 and 12:38 when I first saw him he was around 12:40 290 pounds so that means he had lost 12:45 46 pounds but he was still having angina, 12:48 he was still having chest pain, 12:50 pain down his left arm was the way that his was manifested. 12:54 He and I walked together, 12:56 and about half way around the loop 12:59 he was saying, I need to slow down and take a break, 13:01 I said, just relax a little bit. 13:03 But is this common for people to have 13:07 that kind of stress on their bodies 13:10 that manifests in their arms or their neck? 13:13 Tell us a little bit about that. 13:15 Well, if you live the standard American lifestyle, 13:17 you know the number one cause of death here in the States is 13:21 cardiovascular disease, heart attacks, 13:23 high blood pressure, and strokes 13:25 that's what happens. 13:28 about three thousand Americans everyday die 13:32 from those diseases. 13:35 And it's really sad, because 13:37 if people would live like we 13:39 would try to encourage them to live, 13:42 there was an editorial in the 13:44 journal of the American Medical Association 13:46 in September of 1961 that said, 13:50 97 percent of heart attacks could be. . . 13:52 well they used the word coronary occlusions, 13:55 could be avoided if people ate a vegetarian diet. 14:01 97 percent! 14:03 And that's just for vegetarian diet, 14:06 is that vegetarian diet they're 14:08 referring to vegan? or lactose or what? 14:11 Probably it would include both, 14:13 because I don't think it was a strict vegan 14:15 but that's an amazing statement 14:18 in 1961 which is many years ago. 14:21 So they knew many many years ago, 14:23 and of course we've known even further back than that. 14:26 That's true, that's true. 14:28 Whole plant foods eaten whole that really the way to go, 14:31 and that's what Larry was on, 14:33 it was amazing, even though he adopted 14:38 that type of diet when he first heard 14:40 about it some time around September, 14:43 he was still having chest pain when he got here. 14:47 And so we began to work with him on this 14:50 and we did his first treadmill, and on his first treadmill 14:54 he was able to go about four and a half minutes, 14:57 but when we repeated his treadmill, 14:59 and we stopped the treadmill because of the chest pain, 15:02 and the pain down his left arm, 15:03 which was his manifestation of angina. 15:06 and the second treadmill he was able to go 15:08 for seven minutes before he got the angina, 15:11 and not only that, but when he got it 15:14 it went away sooner than with the first time. 15:18 So he was able to do more, 15:19 his circulatory system had improved, 15:23 and he was able to walk 15:25 further before he got the angina. 15:27 Now when he. . . and you may not know the 15:29 answer to this. . . but when he initiated 15:31 his vegetarian diet, his vegan diet, 15:35 did he initiate a exercise an exercise 15:38 program at the same time? It seems like he didn't. 15:41 I'm really not aware of that, I don't recall if he did or not. 15:46 But he certainly went with the diet, 15:48 and he did lose weight on the diet. 15:50 And that's another 15:51 interesting thing that we find is 15:53 they've done studies, one of my colleagues 15:56 in preventative medicine Dr. Serena Tonstad 15:59 just published a paper in 2009, 16:01 comparing diets with a vegan diet 16:05 which is all plant foods, no dairy and no eggs, 16:08 with a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet, 16:11 and with a diet that then included fish, and then chicken, 16:15 and then non vegetarian with meat 16:17 fish chicken and all of the above, 16:20 and the more meat and animal products that were added 16:24 and even just the eggs and the dairy, 16:26 the weight went up, 16:27 and then the number of 16:28 people that had diabetes went up. 16:30 So if you want to lower your risk for diabetes, 16:33 and you want to lower your risk for heart disease, 16:36 the way to go is a totally plant based diet 16:39 and then of course you want to take a little 16:42 vitamin B12 to make sure that that's covered. 16:45 but you do that, and combined with exercise and 16:48 that's really going to avoid a lot of health problems. 16:52 Now aside from the obesity, 16:54 and the cardiovascular or heart disease as you call it, 16:58 and the diabetes, 17:00 were there other issues that he had? 17:02 He said he had many things going on. 17:05 Yes, I think he had probably some 17:07 problems with his blood pressure, 17:09 and some arthritis, 17:11 but the main thing that he was 17:13 concerned about was his angina. . . 17:15 well he had also had a 17:16 carotid endarterectomy where they 17:20 looked at the carotid artery, and they found that 17:23 there was really significant narrowing there, 17:28 and when that happens the doctor can put a stethoscope on there, 17:31 and he can hear a little sound called a bruit 17:34 and so they did a endarterectomy on one side, 17:38 the other side wasn't bad enough at that time to do it. 17:43 When I examined him, and we did an ultra sound here, 17:46 he does have plaque on the other side and like they said 17:49 it's probably not of a sufficient 17:51 degree that they need to do surgery, 17:53 and with his new healthful lifestyle 17:56 hopefully he'll be able to 17:57 avoid that because we know that with 17:59 a good healthful lifestyle like we 18:01 advocate and teach the people at NEWSTART 18:04 those arteries which are narrowed from atherosclerosis 18:08 with the cholesterol deposits, that can slowly be reabsorbed. 18:12 But they've got to be a 100 percent plant based diet 18:17 they don't want to use the eggs and the dairy, 18:20 and of course no meat, fish, or chicken. 18:23 So how's he doing with his medications? 18:25 Has he changed any of his medications? 18:29 His medications are less, 18:30 but the other interesting thing is 18:32 I just talked to him recently, 18:34 and after he went home near the end of December we find. . . 18:37 I was talking to him I said, Larry how are things going? 18:40 He said, I'm feeling good, 18:41 I'm still exercising, I've lost more weight. 18:43 So he's lost another 22 pounds, that means he's lost a total of 18:47 80 pounds since he started on the vegan diet, 18:52 and 22 pounds in the month since he finished NEWSTART, 18:55 so he's doing really well. 18:57 And he's going to continue with that, 19:00 and he'll continue to improve. 19:02 Well we're going to have to get him 19:04 back up here and do another interview. 19:06 I'm excited for him because I know 19:08 he wanted more than anything to 19:11 eliminate that pain in his chest and arms. 19:14 So what can we expect in the future 19:19 for the people. . . our viewing audience 19:24 that they can do to help them correct this terrible disease? 19:31 Well if a person has coronary artery disease 19:34 with narrowing of the 19:35 arteries so their getting angina, 19:36 they really need to check with their doctors 19:41 and have an evaluation. 19:42 But in our experience if their stable, 19:45 and they're willing to make lifestyle changes, 19:48 we find that those arteries 19:50 which have been narrowed will open up 19:53 with a lifestyle change which includes a vegan diet, 19:56 exercise, stress control, 19:58 all of the NEWSTART principles. 20:00 And they can do very very well. 20:02 This is something they need to continue with 20:05 even when they leave the program, 20:07 and really for the rest of their 20:08 life if they want the best health, 20:10 and that's what we've found, and we've seen it time 20:12 and time again and I really think it's worth while 20:15 for the patients to do this. 20:17 I certainly would encourage 20:19 friends and family members if they had a similar problem 20:22 to go for that approach, 20:24 rather than saying, No I want to go see the surgeon. 20:28 So this is something that everyone 20:30 with heart disease should consider 20:33 but we want to make sure that they are stable, 20:35 and we'll be happy to work with them. 20:36 Now I know that you walk with 20:38 guests around the half mile loop, 20:40 and I've seen you do that over and over again, 20:43 and why do you do that? 20:46 Well, it's good for the patient, 20:48 and it's good for me. 20:50 You can sit in the office and talk, 20:52 but I'd rather say, if we're just going to visit and I can 20:55 still talk about your medical problems, 20:56 lets do a walk and talk. 20:58 Why do a sit and talk when you can do a walk and talk? 21:01 Did you notice a difference when you 21:03 walked with him around the half mile loop? 21:06 after he'd been here for two weeks? 21:07 That's right, because he could walk further, 21:10 and the other thing is if they have the angina, 21:12 I don't want them to walk 21:13 fast enough that they get the angina, 21:15 I want them to go slower 21:17 so that they avoid the angina. 21:19 And I've seen other 21:21 patients when this happens as well. 21:23 Dr. Ing I want to thank you for joining us in the studio, 21:25 it's always good to have you here. 21:27 It's great to be here. 21:28 And folks don't go away, we'll be right 21:30 back with an important message for you. 21:47 Hello and welcome to NEWSTART at Home. 21:48 I'm your host Don Mackintosh, we're glad you're with us today, 21:52 and we're glad to have in the studio today Dr. Neil Nedley. 21:55 Welcome Dr. Nedley. 21:56 Thank you, good to be here Don. 21:57 Now you're a doctor in internal medicine, 21:59 but you also have gotten into the area of mental health, 22:02 and helping people increase their emotional intelligence. 22:06 Absolutely, it has more to do with their success and 22:08 happiness in life than any 22:10 other parameter that we can measure. 22:12 Ok, and as you're looking at that 22:15 people many times will reason emotionally you say 22:19 and they have certain distortions, 22:22 thought distortions, cognitive distortions that they get into. 22:25 Right, there's ten different ways of distorted thinking, 22:28 so we teach them those ten ways 22:29 so they can correct that thinking 22:31 before the start getting emotional 22:33 consequences from distorted thoughts. 22:35 And one of them you said is jumping to conclusions? 22:38 Yes, jumping to conclusions, that's what happens 22:40 when people are tired of thinking about something. 22:43 And how they do it is they mind read 22:47 and they also do fortune teller error, 22:49 those are the two aspects of jumping to conclusions. 22:52 And we have to realize that even if we 22:54 know someone very very well, like our spouse, 22:57 studies show we can only read their 22:59 mind by looking at their expressions, 23:01 and seeing what they are talking about, 23:03 we can only read their mind about 80 percent of the time. 23:06 If you don't know somebody very well, 23:09 you're only 25 percent right in 23:11 regards to being able to mind read. 23:14 And so we assume all sorts of motives, 23:17 we assume all sorts of things that people are thinking, 23:20 and we're just plain wrong 23:22 a significant portion of the time, 23:24 and our emotions are 23:26 based on this jumping to 23:27 conclusions in regard to mind reading. 23:30 So you just go down this road and it may not even be so. 23:33 Adversely affects relationships significantly. 23:36 So the other thing that you talk about is magnification. 23:40 Yes, now this is where we get things out of proportion. 23:45 One of the most famous ways of magnifying things 23:49 is to tell yourself that you can't stand something, 23:52 we call it I-can't-stand-it-itis. 23:54 And you know when we take a look at it, 23:56 there's only one thing that a human being cannot stand. 23:59 What is that? - and that's death. 24:01 Everything else a human being actually can stand, 24:03 but when they tell themselves they can't stand it, 24:06 their emotions get out of control. 24:08 And so I've even had to teach 24:10 my kids growing up a little song: 24:13 I don't like it, I don't like it, 24:15 it's ok, it's ok, 24:17 I can stand it anyway, I can stand it anyway, 24:20 I'm alright, I'm alright. 24:22 And it helps them to realize that 24:23 just because they don't like something, 24:25 doesn't mean they can't stand it, and so there's 24:27 not a reason for the emotions to get out of control. 24:30 It causes low frustration tolerance, 24:32 loss of temper, all sorts of problems due to magnification. 24:35 That's a great song to learn before 24:37 you go to the mall with your family. 24:38 I actually heard you teach that song, 24:40 and so I taught my kids that, 24:41 and we sing it when ever I say no about something. 24:44 So magnification, what about emotional reasoning? 24:48 Emotional feeling goes like this, 24:50 I feel like a dud, therefore I am a dud, 24:53 or I feel overwhelmed and helpless, 24:55 and thus my problems are impossible to solve, 24:58 or, I don't feel like doing anything right now, so I won't. 25:01 Procrastinators do emotional reasoning, people that don't 25:03 want to change their lifestyle 25:05 even though they know they should, 25:06 it's simply due to emotional reasoning. 25:09 And the solution to that is realize 25:11 that feelings come and feelings go 25:13 and feelings are deceiving, 25:14 in fact that's another song as well. 25:16 Feelings come and feelings go, and feelings are deceiving. 25:20 and we finish it out, trust alone on the word of God, 25:23 it's something worth believing. 25:25 And so we need to get to 25:26 absolute truth, and not into this 25:28 emotional reasoning that's 25:30 really going to adversely affect us. 25:32 So there needs to be some kind of 25:34 truth that transcends our feelings and 25:36 emotions that we just trust in on the 25:37 basis of principle rather than how we feel. 25:40 Absolutely, and that's how we 25:42 positively change our lifestyle even. 25:44 That's why emotional reasoning and emotional intelligence is 25:47 so vitally important to 25:48 staying healthy and getting healthy. 25:50 If people are interested in learning more about 25:52 emotional intelligence and how it relates to their lives, 25:55 you have some things that you actually teach on this. 25:58 Yes absolutely, we have a whole 17 hour 26:00 course on emotional intelligence that's taught, 26:03 There are some good books that go along with this 26:07 that can teach anyone to significantly improve their EQ, 26:10 and this will positively 26:11 affect their life from here on out. 26:14 We've been talking with Dr. Neil Nedley, 26:16 we've been talking about 26:17 all these emotional reasonings and emotional intelligence, 26:20 and maybe you or someone you know struggles with. . . 26:22 in fact I know that you know someone 26:24 that probably struggles with this. 26:26 We're glad you joined us today, 26:27 thank you for being with us Dr. Nedley. 26:30 And if you would like more information, 26:32 go to our website: 26:35 And we have some links there where you can 26:37 get in touch with materials concerning this 26:39 and many other programs. Thank you for joining us. 26:49 Modern views of evolution stem all the way 26:51 back to theories developed in the mid 1800s. 26:54 Out of the same time period came ideas that shape 26:58 our educational system today. 27:01 The common school movement for example, 27:03 saw schools more like a factory, 27:05 with students blindly memorizing 27:07 instruction rather than thinking for themselves. 27:10 Their curriculum was rigid and theoretical, 27:13 instead of being flexible and practical, 27:16 It was designed to conform the individual 27:18 into a specific ideological mold, 27:21 that fit the needs of a old industrial era, long since past. 27:26 Just like our view of creation in six literal days, 27:30 we believe the Bible contains an educational blueprint 27:34 radically different from the one we see now. 27:49 Well friends that's it for today. 27:52 My prayer is that the Lord bless you abundantly, 27:56 in the meantime, pick up the phone though 27:58 and give us a call at: 28:03 Have a great week, see you next time. |
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