Hi folks and welcome to
another edition of NEWSTART NOW.
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We have a special
guest with us today,
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Larry Gachel, all
the way from Arkansas,
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and we want to watch this
clip when he first arrived.
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Well, right now my
health is pretty bad.
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If I walk about 100 feet
my left arm starts aching,
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I've been to several doctors.
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I have a lot of things
wrong with me actually.
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One doctor's already done a
carotid artery on this side,
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and he's wanting to cut on the
other side, and do that side.
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Then I have a
heart doctor, that. . .
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he did a chemical
stress test on me,
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and was able to
tell that some of my
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arteries may be partially
blocked around my heart,
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and he wanted to
do an exploratory,
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and he said
while he was in there,
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if I needed it, he'd just go
ahead and put some stints in.
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What I really
like about the NEWSTART
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institute is I think
they treat the whole person,
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and I'm going to go
the for the spiritual,
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the weight loss, the health,
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and everything,
because I need it all.
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I feel like the
lifestyle I've been leading
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hasn't had much
meaning, you know,
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so I'm going to try
to go for all of it.
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Well friends welcome
back and in our studio,
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Larry, how are you sir?
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Just fine Ron, thank you.
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Good to see you.
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Good to be here still,
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and I'm glad I'm
going to graduate!
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That's tonight, we have a
graduation dinner don't we?
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Yes.
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I'm looking
forward to it as well.
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Now I know when you
first got here, you had a lot
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of expectations because
you have many things that are
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going on with you.
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Tell us a little bit
about why you came here.
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Well, of course my
main reason was my health,
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I've had a lot of problems,
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and I've been having
angina pains before I got here.
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That was the main
reason, but I had a
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lot of little
things wrong with me too,
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like stasis dermatitis,
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swelling in the
legs, poor circulation.
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And, of course. . .
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overweight by about 100 pounds.
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I've lost 12 pounds already.
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Well congratulations.
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That's good, just being in the
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program these 18
days I've lose 12 pounds,
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so I'm real happy about that.
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Now I know you
had a carotid artery
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cleansing, or what did
they do? put in a stint?
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No they actually cut the
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carotid artery
open and scraped it out
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and sewed it back,
there's no stint in that one.
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And how clogged was that,
that caused them to do that?
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I think it was maybe
85 percent on that one,
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but my other side
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but Dr. Ing said
it wasn't bad enough
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and if I stay on the program,
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that it will get better,
and he doesn't think I'll
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need an operation, so
I'm real thankful for that.
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So your doctor wanted to do the
second artery, and cut it open.
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Dr. Ing has an
instrument that he uses,
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I know like a little wand
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that he goes in
there and takes a look
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at the artery,
and he says it's fine.
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Right.
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Yes he actually got a
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picture of it
and showed it to me,
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he said it's maybe
about 60 percent blocked,
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but that's ok, I'm
getting enough blood flow,
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and it should improve,
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if I keep on the
lifestyle program
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here from the
NEWSTART institute.
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Wonderful. Now tell us about
the heart pain, or the angina.
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Yes, I have angina.
When I first got here
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sometimes just getting up
out of a chair or going 50 feet,
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my left arm would start aching.
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But now I'm able to go,
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sometimes over
half a mile without. . .
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then it just mildly shows up.
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And on my stress test, I went
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considerably longer
before I got any angina,
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so it's really quite an
improvement for 18 days,
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I can't hardly
believe it, it's really great.
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The first day that I met
you and we did the interview,
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you and I went for a walk around
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the half mile
loop, you remember?
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Yes.
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And I remember you went
all the way, very slowly,
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but you made it all the
way around the half mile loop.
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Right.
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And have you progressed
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that much more since you've been
here in the last seventeen days?
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Right, well I'm
walking a lot faster now,
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and I'm doing it
quicker you know,
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and with less angina,
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Sometimes it does show
up, but it's so improved,
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and I feel like if I just
keep doing this it's going
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to get better and better
and I'll lose weight you know
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Yes, and you got
to get that exercise,
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and all the things
that you learned here,
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Now tell us about
some of the other things,
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I know that you've had
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cooking school, are
you learning to cook?
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Right, and that's really good,
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because I felt like
an uneducated vegan!
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I had decided to be a
vegan on September the ninth,
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but I didn't really
know what I was doing
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except that I knew I wasn't
eating any animal products.
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So I've learned a
lot of little tricks,
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like don't drink
any water when you eat,
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and drink some
before and after you eat,
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and stroll for
about a half a mile
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after you eat,
that helps you digest.
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And also the recipes
are really fantastic,
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and some of the
recipes are really simple,
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which is really good for
me because I eat by myself,
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being able to prepare something
quickly for lunch or something,
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that's really
great, I didn't know how
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to do that before
so that was real good.
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And I know that Mrs. Ing, May,
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takes us out to our market here,
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and teaches us how
to shop, does she not?
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She still does that right?
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Right, I had to miss
that tour because I had
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an extra doctors appointment,
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I went ahead and
got the eye exam and the
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carotid artery test,
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so I didn't get
to make that one.
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Well perhaps we can get someone
to take you through, and . . .
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Yes, I'd like to see the store.
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But we have had
lessons on how to
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shop and read
labels and all that,
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so that's good and I've
learned quite a bit from that.
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Ok, so aside
from the weight loss,
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and the angina,
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what about the other situations?
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I don't know if you
can see my shows or not,
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but when I got here,
the straps were normal,
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and now I've lost
all the edema in my feet,
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and I've got the
straps put on, I'm going to
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have to get some
narrower shoes it looks like.
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Yes, looks like you are!
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When I was about
35 years old I was
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diagnosed with
infectious seborrhea
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which is an auto
immune disease of the scalp,
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and it's kind of like permanent
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dandruff with sores,
that has disappeared.
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- Wow - And it's supposed
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to be incurable.
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They told me all my
life it was incurable,
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and I've been having
to buy medicated shampoo
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that's like 58
dollars for four ounces,
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prescription just to wash
my hair to kind of control it.
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And now, all the sores are gone,
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I don't have any
dandruff anymore.
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You know, that's probably
something you didn't expect.
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I didn't expect that no!
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but you know we have people
who come here, every month,
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some of them are at
the end of their rope,
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they just don't
know what else to do,
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and they say, Well I
understand there's a lot of
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miracles that happen at
the NEWSTART program at Weimar,
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why don't I go there
and see what happens?
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Well this was
supposed to be incurable.
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That's the point, yes.
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I really didn't expect that.
. . it's just unbelievable.
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The thing that
really overwhelmed me is how
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loving everybody is
here, and the environment
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how sincere, you know,
it's not like the real world!
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I'm kind of scared to go back
into the real world now, because
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there will be a lot
of temptation that we
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didn't have here,
everything is so easy here,
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you know, having
everybody keep us strait.
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But it's really been good.
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Well I think you're
going to do just fine.
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Now, I want to ask you
about the hydrotherapy,
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did you have any particular
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challenges with
the hydrotherapy?
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No, well it seemed
to help my legs. . .
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Well I had the foot bath,
you asked about hydrotherapy,
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yes, the hydrotherapy
was good, I'm kind of
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familiar with that
because I live in hot springs,
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and we have all
those old bath houses.
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They were the ones that
kind of originated that,
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they had the needle showers,
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you know the real forceful
pumps that you set in the tub,
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and then you get the rub down,
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then you get the
hot and cold in there
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so I knew a
little bit about it. . .
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I mean I've had that before.
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It really helps it
stimulates your skin,
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and stimulates your
blood flow I believe.
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And they did some
special treatment on your feet.
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Right, that was
with the foot bath,
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the hot and cold,
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with the moving water you
know, and that was really good.
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And I'm going to
try to continue that,
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they told me a way I could
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probably figure out
how to do it at home,
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so I'm going to
try to continue that,
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because I do have poor
circulation in my legs.
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I do know about the circulation,
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I had the same
problem by the way,
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but after a
while the circulation,
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you know the arteries
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start to open up, the
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capillaries and
the all the veins.
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And your body does automatic
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bypasses where
it didn't use to go.
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So you're going to be fine,
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just keep doing
what you're doing.
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I think so.
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And when you get home,
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you're going to
stick to this program,
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and I know you're
going to do even better,
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because now you
know how to cook.
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Right, and I only live
about five minutes from the Y,
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and I belong to the
Y, and they have a lot of
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weights, and
they have treadmills,
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they also have an indoor
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walking in case
it's bad weather.
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Larry I want to thank you
for joining us on the set here.
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Thank you Ron.
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Our time is
running out and I got
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to say good bye
to these nice folks.
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Thank you for
joining us, don't go away,
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I got a tip for you in a moment.
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Well, you've done very well.
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Do you have diabetes,
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heart disease,
high blood pressure,
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or do you weigh too much?
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Hi, my name is Dr. Ing,
and I'd like to tell you
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about our 18-day
NEWSTART lifestyle program.
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It includes a
comprehensive medical
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evaluation with
laboratory studies and an
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exercise stress test,
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physician consultations,
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culinary school,
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and an opportunity
to walk on beautiful
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trails in the
foothills of the Sierras.
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Your health is one of the most
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important things
that you have. Don't wait.
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Give us a call.
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Or visit our website.
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Welcome back
friends, and as I promised
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Clarence Ing,
Doctor how are you?
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Great to be here Ron.
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It's always
great to have you here,
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it seems like we just did this!
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I want to talk about our guest.
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I want to get
right to it because
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when he arrived here,
he was a pretty sick guy.
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He had more going on
with him than most of us,
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including myself.
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We. . . lets walk through this,
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Before he got here, he
was like 340-350 pounds?
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Yes, 336 pounds, more or less.
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With diabetes? - With diabetes.
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Clogged arteries? -
Well, heart disease.
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Primarily heart disease.
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Heart disease, ok.
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And he had the
opportunity to go to
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a program given in
the church in his area,
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he went to that
program and he heard about
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plant based diet and
he says from that day on
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he's been on a totally
plant based diet, remarkable.
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Absolutely amazing.
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But he lost a considerable
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amount of weight
before he came here.
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I think he
started around 336 and
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when I first saw
him he was around
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290 pounds so
that means he had lost
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46 pounds but he
was still having angina,
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he was still having chest pain,
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pain down his left arm was
the way that his was manifested.
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He and I walked together,
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and about half
way around the loop
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he was saying, I need to
slow down and take a break,
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I said, just relax a little bit.
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But is this
common for people to have
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that kind of
stress on their bodies
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that manifests in
their arms or their neck?
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Tell us a little bit about that.
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Well, if you live the
standard American lifestyle,
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you know the number one cause
of death here in the States is
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cardiovascular
disease, heart attacks,
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high blood pressure, and strokes
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that's what happens.
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about three thousand
Americans everyday die
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from those diseases.
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And it's really sad, because
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if people would live like we
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would try to
encourage them to live,
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there was an editorial in the
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journal of the
American Medical Association
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in September of 1961 that said,
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97 percent of heart
attacks could be. . .
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well they used the
word coronary occlusions,
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could be avoided if
people ate a vegetarian diet.
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97 percent!
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And that's just
for vegetarian diet,
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is that vegetarian diet they're
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referring to
vegan? or lactose or what?
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Probably it would include both,
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because I don't
think it was a strict vegan
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but that's an amazing statement
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in 1961 which is many years ago.
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So they knew
many many years ago,
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and of course we've known
even further back than that.
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That's true, that's true.
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Whole plant foods eaten
whole that really the way to go,
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and that's what Larry was on,
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it was amazing,
even though he adopted
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that type of diet
when he first heard
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about it some
time around September,
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he was still having
chest pain when he got here.
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And so we began to
work with him on this
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and we did his first treadmill,
and on his first treadmill
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he was able to go about
four and a half minutes,
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but when we
repeated his treadmill,
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and we stopped the treadmill
because of the chest pain,
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and the pain down his left arm,
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which was his
manifestation of angina.
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and the second
treadmill he was able to go
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for seven minutes
before he got the angina,
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and not only
that, but when he got it
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it went away sooner
than with the first time.
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So he was able to do more,
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his circulatory
system had improved,
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and he was able to walk
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further before
he got the angina.
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Now when he. . .
and you may not know the
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answer to this. . .
but when he initiated
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his vegetarian
diet, his vegan diet,
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did he initiate a
exercise an exercise
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program at the same
time? It seems like he didn't.
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I'm really not aware of that,
I don't recall if he did or not.
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But he certainly
went with the diet,
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and he did lose
weight on the diet.
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And that's another
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interesting
thing that we find is
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they've done
studies, one of my colleagues
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in preventative
medicine Dr. Serena Tonstad
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just published a paper in 2009,
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comparing diets
with a vegan diet
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which is all plant
foods, no dairy and no eggs,
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with a
lacto-ovo vegetarian diet,
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and with a diet that then
included fish, and then chicken,
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and then non
vegetarian with meat
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fish chicken and
all of the above,
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and the more meat and
animal products that were added
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and even just the
eggs and the dairy,
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the weight went up,
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and then the number of
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people that had
diabetes went up.
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So if you want to
lower your risk for diabetes,
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and you want to lower
your risk for heart disease,
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the way to go is a
totally plant based diet
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and then of course
you want to take a little
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vitamin B12 to make
sure that that's covered.
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but you do that, and
combined with exercise and
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that's really going to
avoid a lot of health problems.
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Now aside from the obesity,
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and the cardiovascular or
heart disease as you call it,
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and the diabetes,
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were there other
issues that he had?
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He said he had
many things going on.
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Yes, I think he
had probably some
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problems with
his blood pressure,
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and some arthritis,
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but the main thing that he was
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concerned about
was his angina. . .
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well he had also had a
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carotid
endarterectomy where they
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looked at the carotid
artery, and they found that
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there was really
significant narrowing there,
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and when that happens the doctor
can put a stethoscope on there,
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and he can hear a
little sound called a bruit
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and so they did a
endarterectomy on one side,
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the other side wasn't bad
enough at that time to do it.
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When I examined him, and
we did an ultra sound here,
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he does have plaque on the
other side and like they said
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it's probably
not of a sufficient
00:17:49.42\00:17:51.21
degree that they
need to do surgery,
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and with his new
healthful lifestyle
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hopefully he'll be able to
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avoid that
because we know that with
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a good healthful
lifestyle like we
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advocate and teach
the people at NEWSTART
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those arteries which are
narrowed from atherosclerosis
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with the cholesterol deposits,
that can slowly be reabsorbed.
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But they've got to be a
100 percent plant based diet
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they don't want to use
the eggs and the dairy,
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and of course no
meat, fish, or chicken.
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So how's he doing
with his medications?
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Has he changed any
of his medications?
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His medications are less,
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but the other
interesting thing is
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I just talked to him recently,
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and after he went home near
the end of December we find. . .
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I was talking to him I said,
Larry how are things going?
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He said, I'm feeling good,
00:18:40.00\00:18:41.27
I'm still exercising,
I've lost more weight.
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So he's lost another 22 pounds,
that means he's lost a total of
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80 pounds since he
started on the vegan diet,
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and 22 pounds in the month
since he finished NEWSTART,
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so he's doing really well.
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And he's going to
continue with that,
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and he'll continue to improve.
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Well we're going
to have to get him
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back up here and
do another interview.
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I'm excited for
him because I know
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he wanted more than anything to
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eliminate that pain
in his chest and arms.
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So what can we
expect in the future
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for the people. . .
our viewing audience
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that they can do to help them
correct this terrible disease?
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Well if a person has
coronary artery disease
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with narrowing of the
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arteries so
their getting angina,
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they really need to
check with their doctors
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and have an evaluation.
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But in our
experience if their stable,
00:19:42.54\00:19:45.24
and they're willing to
make lifestyle changes,
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we find that those arteries
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which have been
narrowed will open up
00:19:50.58\00:19:52.78
with a lifestyle change
which includes a vegan diet,
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exercise, stress control,
00:19:56.34\00:19:57.84
all of the NEWSTART principles.
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And they can do very very well.
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This is something
they need to continue with
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even when they
leave the program,
00:20:05.51\00:20:07.24
and really for the rest of their
00:20:07.54\00:20:08.78
life if they
want the best health,
00:20:08.79\00:20:10.15
and that's what we've
found, and we've seen it time
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and time again and I
really think it's worth while
00:20:12.67\00:20:14.72
for the patients to do this.
00:20:15.24\00:20:17.45
I certainly would encourage
00:20:17.81\00:20:19.30
friends and family members
if they had a similar problem
00:20:19.75\00:20:22.48
to go for that approach,
00:20:22.72\00:20:24.00
rather than saying, No I
want to go see the surgeon.
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So this is
something that everyone
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with heart
disease should consider
00:20:30.67\00:20:33.15
but we want to make
sure that they are stable,
00:20:33.24\00:20:35.03
and we'll be
happy to work with them.
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Now I know that you walk with
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guests around
the half mile loop,
00:20:38.37\00:20:40.18
and I've seen you do
that over and over again,
00:20:40.66\00:20:43.12
and why do you do that?
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Well, it's good for the patient,
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and it's good for me.
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You can sit in
the office and talk,
00:20:50.33\00:20:52.03
but I'd rather say, if we're
just going to visit and I can
00:20:52.15\00:20:55.00
still talk about
your medical problems,
00:20:55.01\00:20:56.84
lets do a walk and talk.
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Why do a sit and talk when
you can do a walk and talk?
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Did you notice a
difference when you
00:21:01.75\00:21:03.57
walked with him
around the half mile loop?
00:21:03.58\00:21:05.60
after he'd been
here for two weeks?
00:21:06.06\00:21:07.39
That's right, because
he could walk further,
00:21:07.51\00:21:10.27
and the other thing is
if they have the angina,
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I don't want them to walk
00:21:12.52\00:21:13.51
fast enough that
they get the angina,
00:21:13.81\00:21:15.81
I want them to go slower
00:21:15.82\00:21:17.15
so that they avoid the angina.
00:21:17.45\00:21:19.24
And I've seen other
00:21:19.69\00:21:20.72
patients when
this happens as well.
00:21:20.73\00:21:22.51
Dr. Ing I want to thank you
for joining us in the studio,
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it's always good
to have you here.
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It's great to be here.
00:21:27.25\00:21:28.24
And folks don't go
away, we'll be right
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back with an
important message for you.
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Hello and welcome
to NEWSTART at Home.
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh,
we're glad you're with us today,
00:21:48.79\00:21:51.72
and we're glad to have in the
studio today Dr. Neil Nedley.
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Welcome Dr. Nedley.
00:21:55.10\00:21:56.09
Thank you, good to be here Don.
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Now you're a doctor
in internal medicine,
00:21:57.63\00:21:59.63
but you also have gotten
into the area of mental health,
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and helping people increase
their emotional intelligence.
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Absolutely, it has more
to do with their success and
00:22:06.03\00:22:08.57
happiness in life than any
00:22:08.58\00:22:09.87
other parameter
that we can measure.
00:22:09.88\00:22:11.66
Ok, and as
you're looking at that
00:22:12.42\00:22:15.12
people many times will
reason emotionally you say
00:22:15.75\00:22:18.54
and they have
certain distortions,
00:22:19.45\00:22:21.81
thought distortions, cognitive
distortions that they get into.
00:22:22.24\00:22:25.27
Right, there's ten different
ways of distorted thinking,
00:22:25.54\00:22:28.27
so we teach them those ten ways
00:22:28.28\00:22:29.75
so they can
correct that thinking
00:22:29.76\00:22:31.36
before the start
getting emotional
00:22:31.69\00:22:33.54
consequences from
distorted thoughts.
00:22:33.55\00:22:35.48
And one of them you said
is jumping to conclusions?
00:22:35.75\00:22:37.87
Yes, jumping to
conclusions, that's what happens
00:22:38.21\00:22:40.72
when people are tired of
thinking about something.
00:22:40.73\00:22:43.36
And how they do
it is they mind read
00:22:43.78\00:22:46.54
and they also do
fortune teller error,
00:22:47.03\00:22:49.21
those are the two aspects
of jumping to conclusions.
00:22:49.22\00:22:52.18
And we have to
realize that even if we
00:22:52.57\00:22:54.75
know someone very
very well, like our spouse,
00:22:54.76\00:22:57.36
studies show we
can only read their
00:22:57.81\00:22:59.57
mind by looking
at their expressions,
00:22:59.58\00:23:01.36
and seeing what
they are talking about,
00:23:01.37\00:23:03.24
we can only read their mind
about 80 percent of the time.
00:23:03.25\00:23:05.87
If you don't know
somebody very well,
00:23:06.81\00:23:09.15
you're only 25 percent right in
00:23:09.60\00:23:11.66
regards to being
able to mind read.
00:23:11.67\00:23:13.87
And so we assume
all sorts of motives,
00:23:14.63\00:23:17.00
we assume all sorts of
things that people are thinking,
00:23:17.21\00:23:20.57
and we're just plain wrong
00:23:20.58\00:23:22.24
a significant
portion of the time,
00:23:22.60\00:23:24.72
and our emotions are
00:23:24.73\00:23:26.03
based on this jumping to
00:23:26.04\00:23:27.48
conclusions in
regard to mind reading.
00:23:27.49\00:23:29.72
So you just go down this
road and it may not even be so.
00:23:30.60\00:23:33.51
Adversely affects
relationships significantly.
00:23:33.69\00:23:36.69
So the other thing that you
talk about is magnification.
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Yes, now this is where we
get things out of proportion.
00:23:40.81\00:23:45.06
One of the most famous
ways of magnifying things
00:23:45.15\00:23:49.60
is to tell yourself that
you can't stand something,
00:23:49.87\00:23:52.60
we call it
I-can't-stand-it-itis.
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And you know when
we take a look at it,
00:23:54.78\00:23:56.51
there's only one thing
that a human being cannot stand.
00:23:56.52\00:23:58.78
What is that? -
and that's death.
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Everything else a human
being actually can stand,
00:24:01.42\00:24:03.84
but when they tell
themselves they can't stand it,
00:24:03.85\00:24:06.42
their emotions
get out of control.
00:24:06.43\00:24:08.12
And so I've even had to teach
00:24:08.36\00:24:10.54
my kids growing
up a little song:
00:24:10.55\00:24:13.00
I don't like
it, I don't like it,
00:24:13.15\00:24:15.63
it's ok, it's ok,
00:24:15.64\00:24:16.87
I can stand it
anyway, I can stand it anyway,
00:24:16.88\00:24:20.30
I'm alright, I'm alright.
00:24:20.31\00:24:22.15
And it helps
them to realize that
00:24:22.36\00:24:23.81
just because they
don't like something,
00:24:23.82\00:24:25.57
doesn't mean they can't
stand it, and so there's
00:24:25.58\00:24:27.72
not a reason for the
emotions to get out of control.
00:24:27.73\00:24:30.06
It causes low
frustration tolerance,
00:24:30.18\00:24:32.18
loss of temper, all sorts of
problems due to magnification.
00:24:32.19\00:24:35.33
That's a great
song to learn before
00:24:35.51\00:24:37.03
you go to the
mall with your family.
00:24:37.04\00:24:38.45
I actually heard
you teach that song,
00:24:38.57\00:24:40.45
and so I taught my kids that,
00:24:40.46\00:24:41.81
and we sing it when ever
I say no about something.
00:24:41.82\00:24:44.27
So magnification, what
about emotional reasoning?
00:24:44.75\00:24:48.21
Emotional
feeling goes like this,
00:24:48.60\00:24:50.51
I feel like a dud,
therefore I am a dud,
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or I feel
overwhelmed and helpless,
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and thus my problems
are impossible to solve,
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or, I don't feel like doing
anything right now, so I won't.
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Procrastinators do emotional
reasoning, people that don't
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want to change their lifestyle
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even though they
know they should,
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it's simply due to
emotional reasoning.
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And the solution
to that is realize
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that feelings
come and feelings go
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and feelings are deceiving,
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in fact that's
another song as well.
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Feelings come and feelings
go, and feelings are deceiving.
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and we finish it out,
trust alone on the word of God,
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it's something worth believing.
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And so we need to get to
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absolute truth,
and not into this
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emotional reasoning that's
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really going to
adversely affect us.
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So there needs
to be some kind of
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truth that
transcends our feelings and
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emotions that we
just trust in on the
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basis of principle
rather than how we feel.
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Absolutely, and that's how we
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positively change
our lifestyle even.
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That's why emotional reasoning
and emotional intelligence is
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so vitally important to
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staying healthy
and getting healthy.
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If people are interested
in learning more about
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emotional intelligence and
how it relates to their lives,
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you have some things that
you actually teach on this.
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Yes absolutely, we
have a whole 17 hour
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course on emotional
intelligence that's taught,
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There are some good
books that go along with this
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that can teach anyone to
significantly improve their EQ,
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and this will positively
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affect their
life from here on out.
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We've been talking
with Dr. Neil Nedley,
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we've been talking about
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all these emotional reasonings
and emotional intelligence,
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and maybe you or someone
you know struggles with. . .
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in fact I know
that you know someone
00:26:22.82\00:26:24.42
that probably
struggles with this.
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We're glad you joined us today,
00:26:26.51\00:26:27.87
thank you for
being with us Dr. Nedley.
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And if you would
like more information,
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go to our website:
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And we have some
links there where you can
00:26:35.57\00:26:37.39
get in touch with
materials concerning this
00:26:37.40\00:26:39.18
and many other programs.
Thank you for joining us.
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Modern views of
evolution stem all the way
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back to theories
developed in the mid 1800s.
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Out of the same time
period came ideas that shape
00:26:54.84\00:26:58.00
our educational system today.
00:26:58.21\00:27:00.24
The common school
movement for example,
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saw schools more like a factory,
00:27:03.27\00:27:05.18
with students blindly memorizing
00:27:05.24\00:27:07.12
instruction rather than
thinking for themselves.
00:27:07.13\00:27:09.78
Their curriculum was
rigid and theoretical,
00:27:10.66\00:27:13.06
instead of being
flexible and practical,
00:27:13.51\00:27:15.63
It was designed to
conform the individual
00:27:16.18\00:27:18.54
into a specific
ideological mold,
00:27:18.63\00:27:21.24
that fit the needs of a old
industrial era, long since past.
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Just like our view of
creation in six literal days,
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we believe the Bible contains
an educational blueprint
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radically different
from the one we see now.
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Well friends
that's it for today.
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My prayer is that the
Lord bless you abundantly,
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in the meantime,
pick up the phone though
00:27:56.42\00:27:58.21
and give us a call at:
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Have a great
week, see you next time.
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