Hi folks, and welcome to
another edition of NEWSTART Now.
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I have a real
special lady with us today.
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Susan comes to us from Florida.
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She flew out and
joined our NEWSTART program
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a couple of weeks
ago with several issues.
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And rather than
tell you about it,
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let's break away to
when she first arrived.
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What caused me to come
to the NEWSTART program is
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I've had lupus.
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I've been diagnosed with lupus,
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I've got fibromyalgia.
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I've had a lot of pain issues.
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Just kind of, my life
has been taken away from me.
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Because I've
been in so much pain,
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I couldn't exercise.
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I didn't really have a
lot of hope when I came.
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Actually I was pretty low.
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I didn't think
there was anything
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that could help me anymore.
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The doctors just kept
pushing medicine at me.
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Their answer to
everything is Prednisone,
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and all that did
was make me blow up
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and gain weight.
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It just made me feel worse
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instead of
making me feel better.
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So I didn't have a
whole lot of hope when I came.
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I wanted a normal life.
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I just wanted my life back,
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that I could
choose to get up and
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go outside and walk.
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Or I can choose to go
sit in a movie and not
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be in so much pain that I scream
when I hit the end of the show
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when I try to
get out of the chair.
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Just a normal life,
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and I'd like to share
that life with someone.
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So, I would be very
open to that as well.
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Welcome back folks,
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and as I
promised, Susan Stanley.
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How are you, Susan?
Very good, thank you.
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Good to see
you. Glad to be here.
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You look like a
different gal to me.
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I hope so.
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I feel like a different gal.
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çlaughterÑ
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Well, let's get right in to...
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During our first interview,
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I saw a lot of emotion.
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I saw depression.
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I saw some real pain.
Can we talk about that?
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Yeah, you're right. It
was all there, all of it.
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I was so engrossed
in it that I couldn't
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even see the light of day.
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I was just at the
lowest point that you could be.
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So do we have
psychiatrists here,
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or what's happened?
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You look so different.
Tell me about what is happening.
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I feel different. I feel
different from the inside out.
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I don't know if
it shows that much
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on the outside, but I truly feel
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different on the inside.
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And no, there's
no psychiatrist here.
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There's
fellowship, there's love,
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and God is just
around everywhere.
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You can feel Him
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everywhere here. Amen.
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It just goes into you,
and the walking, you feel it.
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Everyone is here to help you
and they want you to get better,
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to where you have no choice.
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You're going to get
better if you're here.
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Like it or not,
right? That's right.
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That's right,
you're going to get better.
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So you said you're feeling
better from the inside out.
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Let me say, let me boldly say,
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outwardly you look thinner.
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Thank you. I
have lost 11 pounds.
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You lost 11 pounds? Yeah.
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And probably several inches.
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Yes. I didn't get
measured initially,
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but yes, I can
feel that, because
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my belt loop has definitely
gone over a couple of notches,
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which is wonderful.
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So a lot of the
walking has helped that,
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and I've toned
up too quite a bit
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in my muscles and in my legs.
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How did you deal with the food?
Has that been an issue at all?
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Not eating so much
is probably the issue,
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Because everything is so good,
you want to eat and eat and eat.
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I really didn't think I
would like the food at all.
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I really didn't.
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But there's a
couple things maybe
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that everyone will say,
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"I didn't like
this one or that one."
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But 95 percent
of it, you love it.
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It's so good, and
it's so easy to do.
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We learned that
in cooking class.
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It's so easy to
prepare yourself.
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And I'm not a cook, so
that really troubled me.
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But it's going to be easy to do.
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Why would the food
be an issue for you?
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Were you a
meat-eater prior to coming here?
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Oh, most definitely.
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A meat-eater, a cake-eater,
a cookie-eater, a bunny-eater.
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So we don't
serve meat here, right?
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Right, no.
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How about cookies?
Yes, we have cookies.
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Mmm, and we have pie. çlaughterÑ
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But we have good,
healthy cookies and pie.
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We do, and you don't even know!
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You don't miss it.
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Isn't that amazing?
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Yep. You don't
even miss it at all.
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What about some
of the other issues
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you had when you arrived here?
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Well, because of my lupus
I had a lot of joint issues,
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where I was all swollen.
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You haven't been able to
see these knuckles in a while,
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because I was so
swollen all in here.
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And all the
swelling-- it's just amazing.
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All the swelling has gone down.
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The food is anti-inflammatory,
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So all my joints have just...
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All the swelling has
come out of my joints.
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I'm sure hydro has had
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something to do
with that as well.
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But the main component from
what I understand is the food.
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Okay. Did you enjoy, or...
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did you have your hydrotherapy?
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Yeah, I had...well,
actually I had fever baths.
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They're not so much
enjoyable except that you know
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at the end you're going
to have an amazing result
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when you get through
all 15 of the therapies.
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Tell us about
those baths that you had.
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Well, they put you in a hot tub,
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of water, which just
feels wonderful when you have
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aches and pains in
your joints and muscles.
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And then they heat your body
up to about 102-103 degrees,
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and you stay with
that fever for 20 minutes.
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And then they
cool your body down.
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And the whole time the tech
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is there with
you, and she's putting
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ice on your neck, on
your head, and making you
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as comfortable as she
can possibly make you.
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After that they
cool the water down.
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You get up, and then you go back
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to your room for
an hour and rest.
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You really feel good afterwards.
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Did you have any of the hot
wax treatments for your hands?
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No, I didn't.
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Okay. They probably
thought that wasn't necessary.
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We also have that treatment.
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Oh, the paraffin? Yes.
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It's absolutely
wonderful. I love to put my
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hand in the hot wax
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and then peel it off.
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Okay, so where
do you go from here?
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What are you going
to do when you get home?
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Well, the first
thing I'm going to do
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is fill the cupboard up
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with all the good
stuff that I learned here,
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and find a trail,
because I live in Florida.
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It's pretty flat.
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I'm looking for a trail
that has some little hills.
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and gives me a little bit of the
challenge that I'm used to here.
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It certainly
won't be as beautiful.
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Certainly won't be as beautiful,
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but I'm just going to keep
continuing with the program.
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Okay, but what
about your family?
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Oh, my daughter,
she lives with me.
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My son lives
about 15 minutes away.
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But my daughter lives with me
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and she said
she's got it all ready.
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She can't wait to
start the program with me.
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So yep, we're
going to do it together.
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That will be fun.
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Yep, she's going to
be my walking buddy, too.
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Now, were you able to
walk okay when you got here?
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No, not very far.
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I couldn't breathe. The first
time I did the half-mile loop
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and came up that hill,
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I barely made it to
the chair to sit down,
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and they were
going to get me a bag.
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I couldn't breathe. I
was hyperventilating so bad.
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It was very sad.
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But now, yep, I can just loop
around with the best of them.
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We have some fast walkers here.
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I went out to Manzanita,
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the trails, and
oh my goodness...
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It's so beautiful there.
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So what would you say is
the furthest you've walked
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while you were here?
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Seven and a half miles so far.
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And you couldn't make it around
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the half-mile
loop when you got here.
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No.... I couldn't
even breathe. çlaughterÑ
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You know, I'm laughing
because when I got here
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I couldn't make it around
that half-mile loop either!
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I just couldn't make it!
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I had to stop and
rest and....çgaspingÑ
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And then, the change came.
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And it was quickly! Yes.
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It happened
just ever so quickly.
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Almost so that you
can't even notice it.
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Just one day you're
walking and talking and you go,
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"Wow, I can do this."
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Yep. "I've made it up the hill!"
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And you turn around and
look and it's like...çgaspÑ
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And you didn't
even know you did it.
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The walking and
talking-- that's the key.
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Susan, I'm so happy for you,
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and I just want to bless you
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and congratulate you.
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I know it took a lot
of strength to get here.
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I want to thank you
for joining us on the set.
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You're welcome.
Thank you so much.
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And folks, I want
to thank you as well.
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Don't go away.
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We're going to be right
back with a really good tip.
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Well, you've done very well.
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Do you have diabetes,
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heart disease,
high blood pressure,
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or do you weigh too much?
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Hi, my name is Dr. Ing,
and I'd like to tell you
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about our 18-day
NEWSTART lifestyle program.
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It includes a
comprehensive medical evaluation
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with laboratory studies
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and an exercise stress test,
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physician consultations,
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culinary school,
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and an opportunity to
walk on beautiful trails
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in the foothills of the Sierras.
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Your health is one of the most
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important things
that you have. Don't wait.
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Give us a call at:
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Or visit our website:
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Hi friends, and welcome back.
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As I promised in our
studio, Doctor Lukens.
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Yeah, and wasn't Susan happy!
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The difference,
oh, that was great.
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She's just like night and day!
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Our first interview she seemed
depressed and down, and...
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Well, if you had what she had,
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and you were
suffering they way she was...
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Yeah, well, when I
came here I was depressed.
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I was down. I had no hope.
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Yeah, well see,
that's the main thing.
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It's not false hope.
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Because
sometimes even if a person
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doesn't get what they think...
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They might read
one of our newsletters
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and somebody lost 50 pounds,
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which can happen. It did happen
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a couple of times. And they say,
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"Well, I'm 175 pounds.
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I wonder what I'll
look like at 125 pounds
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in two weeks?" So you
know, these kind of things.
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So sometimes... But
when they see other people
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getting what they get,
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which is spectacular...
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Cholesterol drops and
stuff like that. They say,
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"Wow! Even though maybe I
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didn't do exactly what I wanted,
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I feel better." And she,
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she didn't tell all the story.
And I don't know whether...
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She said we could use whatever.
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Yeah, well you
can get into that.
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I think that's fine.
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You know, I
didn't mention to her,
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and I want to repeat it,
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that when I came
here I had no idea
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the amount of
weight I was going to lose.
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I thought I
would lose some weight
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because I was going to change,
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but I lost 70 pounds!
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Over a period of how long?
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Well, it was a couple of years.
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I didn't try
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for the first
year real hard, but
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it kept peeling off.
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I think the majority was
the first six or eight months.
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We'll have to talk
about that some time when we
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talk about somebody that
came primarily for obesity.
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Yes. Yeah, it's amazing.
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So with regards to Susan...
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Once again, I don't
mean to put you on the spot,
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because she was only
here for like fourteen days.
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Well, it was sixteen
when she left, but yeah.
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Since it was Thanksgiving
we had to hurry everybody home.
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Yes, yes.
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But she had such great change.
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She just seemed so vivacious, so
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much more alive.
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What happened?
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Well, one of the
pills-- We talked about this
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in an earlier interview.
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One of the pills that she
takes just makes her feel sick.
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And which one was that?
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Well, the Plaquenil
that she had to take for--
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She had all these joint
problems and everything.
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And I don't know...
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Did she make it real
plain in the interview
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that she had systemic lupus
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erythematosus (SLE)?
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She didn't use those words,
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which are easier for you to say.
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She said she had lupus.
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Yeah, yeah, okay.
00:14:01.63\00:14:02.66
But she didn't
use that long term.
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I can't even say it.
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Yeah, but anyway,
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see, that's
something that you realize
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you're going to
have to take this
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and your going to
have to take prednisone,
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and you're going to have to...
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You might have to go on
methotrexate in order to
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just survive, you see.
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And some of those
things, they just...
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Sometimes people
get by on low doses,
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sometimes they have to
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load you up on it to stop a
flare-up and stuff like that.
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If you've been through it and
you know how it did, you just...
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You almost lose
hope after a while.
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In fact, you do.
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Yeah, she tells
us she lost hope.
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What was all the inflammation
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and the pain in
the joints and such?
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Well, with the
SLE-- it's easier to say--
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your body attacks itself.
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Ah, okay.
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It can attack joints,
it can attack kidneys,
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and just basically, eventually,
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too many things
have been attacked.
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And that's tough.
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And to realize that
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when you have the flare-ups
again you're going to have to
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take the prednisone,
which is going to make you
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gain weight and retain fluid.
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And when you have
to keep taking the...
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this is the...
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hydrochloroquine, the
things that we use for malaria.
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The people that
are in malaria areas,
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they quit taking
that after a while
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because of the side effects,
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vision and other things.
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Doctor, tell us about...
She had two treadmill tests.
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Tell us about how she
fared on the second one,
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because the first
one, I understood,
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she wasn't able
to walk that long.
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Yeah, and pain is a
great limiter on everything.
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So just to be able to get up
there and do just a little bit,
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just a few
seconds, a half a minute,
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a minute and a half,
or something like that,
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you just give up, and
to be able to improve.
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But the thing is,
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what she didn't say,
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and I'm going to take
the liberty to say it,
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is that she had almost a 30-pack
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year history of
cigarette smoking.
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She did not say. Yeah, she quit!
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Yeah, people
aren't proud of that.
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But she got off of
it and she was thrilled.
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Oh my goodness. Yep, yep.
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Isn't that amazing?
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Yeah, I hope she isn't
cross with me for saying that.
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Now, do we have a
quit smoking program here?
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Yeah, you have to, or
you have to walk off campus,
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and if you want to do it
at 3 o'clock in the morning
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and it's 30 degrees outside, you
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figure out something else.
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You know, we've seen
people walk off campus to smoke.
00:16:46.75\00:16:49.60
Yeah, and they're
welcome to do that,
00:16:50.21\00:16:51.51
but they really
want to quit smoking
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most of the time.
That's why they're here.
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And that was
the case with Susan.
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Yeah, and you know, she had...
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They always have
trouble in the first few days,
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but she just feels
like she's free from it now.
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That's why the
follow-up is so important.
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The other thing is,
she told me at the banquet,
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and I said this in one
of the other interviews,
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I told her what had happened
over and over and over again
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with people that had this lupus.
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And it's not supposed to
be anything that cures it.
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It just goes back and
forth and stuff like that.
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But I told her about the people
that have gone into remission.
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Five years, seven
years, ten years...
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They have to stay with the
program in order to do that.
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And sometime the
medications, like methotrexate,
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which is something
that you give them,
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and you give them enough so that
00:17:44.63\00:17:46.33
it helps them to
go into remission,
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sometimes they suffer from
that for months afterwards.
00:17:48.42\00:17:52.87
It suppresses
the white count and
00:17:53.30\00:17:55.87
it just feels sick,
and we've had patients that
00:17:56.12\00:17:58.87
it's taken them six months now,
00:17:59.09\00:18:00.84
and they're starting
to feel themselves again.
00:18:00.85\00:18:03.48
Doctor, during
one of our interviews
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you mentioned Doctor Esselstyn.
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And you mentioned his findings
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and his reports with
regards to food only.
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And you also mentioned
that we do exactly what
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Doctor Esselstyn has
prescribed for his patients?
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What he recommends...
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His was kind of a prototype,
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and so anything that had
even natural oils in it...
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But we find out
from other research
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that's done, good research...
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Loma Linda
University did this with nuts,
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and they found out that
a half a cup of raw nuts
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or just barely toasted,
00:18:46.27\00:18:48.00
that that also
helps with cholesterol.
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We know that
avocados are one of the most
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heart-healthy
things you can eat.
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Olives, if you don't use
the oil but eat the whole olive.
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That kind of
oil is good for you.
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So some people say,
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"I've read studies where if you
totally leave out all the oil,
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then you're not
going to be healthy."
00:19:06.24\00:19:08.09
Well we don't
leave out all the oil.
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But we still get the same
kind of cholesterol reductions.
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We see people that,
maybe they struggled...
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I see rare cases
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where people have
struggled for years
00:19:18.21\00:19:20.24
and even as they're
doing it, as they lose weight,
00:19:20.36\00:19:22.84
their cholesterol
doesn't come down.
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And we check them later and...
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One guy's
cholesterol was well below 150,
00:19:26.69\00:19:32.87
and his risk ratio was
the lowest I've ever seen,
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and he did it for years.
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I want to be clear on something.
00:19:38.15\00:19:39.78
When you say we don't
leave out all the oils,
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what you mean is we don't
add oil itself but we have it
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in the foods that we eat.
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Yeah, we don't leave out
00:19:50.18\00:19:51.18
all the plant foods
that have oil in them.
00:19:51.19\00:19:52.78
Avocados, nuts, and stuff...
00:19:53.51\00:19:56.21
but we don't add
the oils to the food,
00:19:56.22\00:19:58.15
so they can eat the avocados.
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And people love avocado.
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That's nature's mayonnaise,
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thick spread, thin
spread, it's everything.
00:20:04.36\00:20:07.21
If you hate avocados,
00:20:07.45\00:20:08.72
you'll learn to like
them on this program.
00:20:08.73\00:20:11.33
Because your taste buds change.
00:20:11.60\00:20:13.06
And then the nuts.
It's really nice to
00:20:13.09\00:20:16.03
sprinkle some whole nuts
on things, and we do that.
00:20:16.15\00:20:19.00
One of the
patients said that we did
00:20:19.24\00:20:21.39
some simple foods
down at our house.
00:20:21.40\00:20:23.51
And the olives,
they're good for you, but
00:20:23.78\00:20:27.12
you don't want to add the oil,
00:20:27.13\00:20:29.18
because that turns the
00:20:29.24\00:20:30.27
cholesterol
mechanism on in the liver.
00:20:30.28\00:20:31.87
So are you recommending that
the people at home, our viewers,
00:20:32.42\00:20:36.21
should perhaps stop all
00:20:36.33\00:20:38.75
oils that they're...
00:20:38.76\00:20:40.66
Yeah, eat the oils
still in the fiber.
00:20:40.72\00:20:43.51
Yes. So whole foods eaten whole.
00:20:44.15\00:20:46.57
That's all you need to know.
00:20:46.75\00:20:48.30
Well Doctor Lukens,
00:20:49.75\00:20:51.00
again I want to
thank you for joining us.
00:20:51.01\00:20:53.51
It's always a
pleasure to talk with you.
00:20:54.00\00:20:56.30
It's my pleasure to
see these people like this.
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How can you top that?
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It's really tough.
00:21:00.30\00:21:01.72
And folks, we hope that you'll
pick up that phone and dial:
00:21:02.12\00:21:06.00
Ask for Doctor Lukens.
00:21:10.15\00:21:11.45
Hello, and
wecome to NEWSTART Now.
00:21:25.48\00:21:27.21
I'm Don Mackintosh,
00:21:27.27\00:21:28.66
and joining me in the studio
today is Dr. Michael Orlich.
00:21:28.78\00:21:31.27
Welcome, Doctor Mike.
Thank you. Glad to be here.
00:21:31.63\00:21:34.15
Today we're going to
talk about osteoporosis.
00:21:34.39\00:21:37.03
Doctor, what is that?
00:21:37.21\00:21:39.24
Do we need to be
concerned about it?
00:21:39.42\00:21:41.84
What can we do about it?
00:21:42.00\00:21:43.00
Well, we do need to be concerned
00:21:43.24\00:21:45.33
or at least aware
about osteoporosis.
00:21:45.34\00:21:47.66
It is a
significant problem affecting
00:21:47.78\00:21:50.06
quite a lot of
people throughout the world
00:21:50.12\00:21:52.24
and the United
States in particular.
00:21:52.25\00:21:54.06
Osteoporosis,
more than anything,
00:21:54.48\00:21:57.12
is a disease of brittle bones.
00:21:57.27\00:21:59.39
The bones get less
dense, less strong, over time,
00:21:59.48\00:22:03.30
and this can lead to fractures.
00:22:03.57\00:22:05.30
This is especially true
in women after menopause,
00:22:05.45\00:22:08.30
in elderly
women, but also in men.
00:22:08.45\00:22:11.63
And what can we do to avoid it?
00:22:12.30\00:22:14.48
Well, whenever you
think of bone health,
00:22:14.78\00:22:17.42
the first thing you
probably think of is calcium.
00:22:17.69\00:22:20.06
Of course.
00:22:20.18\00:22:21.33
And calcium is very important.
00:22:21.63\00:22:23.81
You do need adequate
sources of calcium in the diet.
00:22:24.15\00:22:27.81
So whatever your diet is,
whether it's a plant-based diet
00:22:28.06\00:22:31.66
or a diet that
includes animal foods,
00:22:31.87\00:22:34.87
you need to make sure that
00:22:35.09\00:22:36.57
you have adequate
sources of calcium,
00:22:36.58\00:22:38.69
because many diets don't.
00:22:38.84\00:22:40.33
But calcium is
not the only factor.
00:22:40.45\00:22:43.33
Okay, well I want to
know the other factors,
00:22:43.57\00:22:45.54
but what are some
sources of calcium in the diet?
00:22:45.69\00:22:47.63
When I was in
nursing school I always
00:22:47.78\00:22:50.48
realized that the
best answer was probably
00:22:50.51\00:22:52.39
green leafy vegetables.
00:22:52.40\00:22:53.39
Is that still true in this case?
00:22:53.57\00:22:54.57
That is absolutely true.
00:22:54.81\00:22:56.39
You hit it on the head,
and it is true for many things.
00:22:56.60\00:22:59.09
They are wonderful
00:22:59.21\00:23:00.51
vegetables, but
some of your greens
00:23:00.72\00:23:03.27
like collard
greens, kale, bok choy,
00:23:03.36\00:23:08.33
these types of
greens are high in calcium.
00:23:08.60\00:23:11.18
I would recommend
having these on a regular basis
00:23:11.24\00:23:14.63
in your diet to
help get enough calcium.
00:23:14.78\00:23:17.84
You should eat these
in sufficient quantities.
00:23:18.09\00:23:20.66
I should note that
spinach in particular
00:23:20.87\00:23:23.51
has something
called oxylate in it,
00:23:23.52\00:23:25.72
which means its calcium
is not as well absorbed.
00:23:26.18\00:23:29.33
So some of the other
greens would be better sources.
00:23:29.39\00:23:31.87
So Popeye the Sailorman really
wasn't getting the best source
00:23:32.15\00:23:34.69
when he ate the spinach.
00:23:34.72\00:23:36.18
But was strong, wasn't
he? He was strong anyway.
00:23:36.19\00:23:38.48
Well you know, all
those foods that you mentioned
00:23:38.75\00:23:40.69
are the kind of things we see
here in the NEWSTART cafeteria.
00:23:40.70\00:23:43.09
It's interesting
that they would know that.
00:23:43.27\00:23:44.66
Of course, you
would expect them to.
00:23:44.75\00:23:46.12
But you
mentioned something else.
00:23:46.24\00:23:47.63
You said that calcium is not
the only part of this picture.
00:23:47.64\00:23:51.18
What did you mean? That's right.
00:23:51.19\00:23:53.12
Certainly equally as important,
if not more important,
00:23:53.33\00:23:56.45
may be vitamin D.
00:23:56.57\00:23:57.75
In fact, if someone was
diagnosed with osteopenia,
00:23:58.09\00:24:01.09
which is sort of
pre-osteoporosis,
00:24:01.10\00:24:03.48
where the bones are
starting to get thin.
00:24:03.60\00:24:05.42
One of the first things that
I would recommend that they do
00:24:05.57\00:24:08.27
is have a blood
level of vitamin D checked.
00:24:08.57\00:24:11.51
If that's low,
that's correctable
00:24:11.69\00:24:14.03
and may deal with the problem.
00:24:14.27\00:24:16.75
You can't absorb calcium well
00:24:17.00\00:24:19.21
unless you have
enough vitamin D on board.
00:24:19.39\00:24:21.60
So vitamin D, you
could get that from
00:24:22.24\00:24:24.09
walking out in the sunlight
or some kind of supplement.
00:24:24.10\00:24:26.21
Absolutely. That's correct.
00:24:26.30\00:24:28.06
In addition to vitamin D,
00:24:28.07\00:24:29.87
exercise is
critically important,
00:24:30.27\00:24:32.36
and weight-bearing
exercise is very important.
00:24:33.69\00:24:35.66
This is where you're
putting the weight of your body
00:24:35.67\00:24:37.72
as a stress or strain on
your leg bones, on your spine.
00:24:37.87\00:24:41.06
This would be things
like walking, jogging, etc.
00:24:41.09\00:24:44.42
You know, in the
Mir space station,
00:24:44.51\00:24:47.57
the Russian space station,
00:24:47.66\00:24:49.15
those cosmonauts would come back
after a few months having lost
00:24:49.21\00:24:52.63
much of their skeletal mass.
00:24:52.87\00:24:55.03
And that's because
of the lack of gravity.
00:24:55.21\00:24:57.33
But in the current
international space station,
00:24:57.36\00:25:00.06
they have a
rigorous exercise program
00:25:00.21\00:25:02.69
with weight-bearing excercises
that put stress on the bones.
00:25:02.78\00:25:06.00
And they don't
lose any bone mass,
00:25:06.21\00:25:08.15
even when
they're there for months.
00:25:08.24\00:25:09.54
So exercise is
critically important.
00:25:09.60\00:25:11.39
A couple of other things that
are important are vitamin K,
00:25:11.75\00:25:14.72
that's
important for bone health.
00:25:14.87\00:25:16.39
Many people don't realize
that. Where do you get that?
00:25:16.45\00:25:18.48
That's in those dark
green leafy vegetables as well.
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It's also important not to have
an excess amount of protein,
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especially animal-based protein
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which may lead to
leaching of calcium
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from your bones into your urine.
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This is also true
with high-sodium diets.
00:25:32.51\00:25:36.03
So all that extra salt and
sodium in the prepared foods
00:25:36.04\00:25:39.51
is not only bad for your blood
pressure and for heart disease.
00:25:39.63\00:25:42.21
It could also put you at
risk for osteoporosis as well.
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So the action
point today then is,
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get out there and exercise,
00:25:48.07\00:25:49.45
eat the right foods,
those green leafy vegetables,
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have weight-bearing
exercise when you're exercising,
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get the sunlight,
00:25:54.84\00:25:56.00
and mostly just get
out there and move, right?
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That's right. It's not just
one point but a whole lifestyle
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that can help
maintain your bone health
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as well as
prevent other diseases.
00:26:03.82\00:26:05.42
Well, thank you Doctor
Mike for being with us,
00:26:05.57\00:26:07.39
and thank you for being with us.
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We hope that as a
result of today's program
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you can get a "new start now."
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But also, that start may
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where there's more information.
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Again, thanks for joining us,
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Hi, I hope that
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as I have this
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I'm Jim Brackett,
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here at the Weimar Center,
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to give you an idea of some
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of the wonderful resources
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such as Dr.
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Now in addition
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he has a series on
depression recovery.
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series on DVD by
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relating to
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