Participants: Ron Giannoni (Host), Idelys Jepson
Series Code: NSN
Program Code: NSN000036
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00:24 Hi folks, and welcome to another edition of NEWSTART NOW.
00:28 We have a special and unusual guest with us today, 00:32 Idelys, comes to us all the way from Maryland, 00:37 with an unusual story in that 00:40 she has cancer, or had had cancer 00:43 and some other issues concerning her heart. 00:48 We're going to talk to her in just a minute, 00:50 but I'd like to break away to our 00:52 interview when she first arrived 00:55 Back about, I guess October of 08 01:00 I was diagnosed with lymphoma. 01:02 and I went through a very 01:05 intense six months of chemotherapy 01:09 to eliminate the lymphoma. 01:11 By the grace of God, the lymphoma was put into remission, 01:16 yet my lungs and my heart suffered terribly because of 01:19 the bleomycin and the other chemicals in the chemotherapy. 01:24 What I would like from NEWSTART is 01:29 a close relationship with God, 01:32 a closer walk with Him, 01:35 obviously I want healing, physical healing. 01:40 I want to learn how to cook 01:44 healthier, and the way that God intended us to cook 01:48 so that when I go home, it's not just about my healing, 01:52 but preventing disease from coming into my family, 01:55 From helping my parents through their older years, 02:00 helping my teenagers grow into healthy adults, 02:04 and my husband through his middle-age 02:07 and keeping him and everyone else healthy. 02:14 Welcome back folks, and with us is Idelys Jepson, 02:17 Idelys, how are you dear? 02:18 Very good thank you. 02:20 You look so vibrant and alive. 02:21 Well, I feel alive and vibrant. 02:24 Maybe that why? 02:26 Yes, perhaps. 02:27 So, you know, I want to get into, 02:29 before I forget, 02:31 there are some things that we 02:33 didn't cover in the initial interview. 02:36 Would you tell us about that? 02:38 And I believe it was related to 02:40 your heart and some other things. 02:43 Yes, I was originally 02:44 diagnosed with non-hodgkin's lymphoma 02:48 and went through very intensive chemotherapy, 02:51 six months worth, every two weeks. 02:56 And one of the side 02:58 effects of that is lung toxicity, 03:01 and also the bleomycin effect your lungs, 03:04 the adriamycin effects your heart rate. 03:08 So are you saying that through this 03:10 process that your lungs were affected and such? 03:13 You actually experienced this. 03:14 They were. I did experience it. 03:17 It was in the later part of the chemo, 03:20 I started experiencing shortness of breath, 03:23 I was fatigued very easily, 03:26 and could barely walk down the 03:28 stairs without feeling out of breath, 03:31 and just a heaviness on my chest. 03:34 So they sent me to a lung specialist, 03:39 and they ran some tests and they 03:41 showed that I did have lung toxicity 03:44 the lining 03:46 I guess the walls of the lungs 03:47 had thickened from the bleomycin. 03:49 and it was difficult to breath. 03:52 And also my heart rate was terribly fast, 03:56 it got up to about 149 beats per minute 03:59 Wow, ok 04:01 And then what happened? You came to a point in your life 04:05 where they diagnosed you for real with the 04:09 disease that you are here to treat, right? 04:12 Right, right, I was in remission 04:15 from the cancer at that point even though 04:18 I was still undergoing the chemo treatment 04:21 but, I was. . . 04:24 you know I had all this toxicity in my body, and I felt I needed 04:27 to go somewhere where I could 04:29 strengthen myself and cleanse myself 04:31 of all the chemo that I had undergone. 04:36 And also to strengthen myself, and be able to walk, 04:41 and to be able to do the chores I used to be able to do. 04:45 Now when you arrived here, could you walk? 04:47 just a little bit at all? 04:49 Oh I could walk, by then I had been given a 04:53 lot of cortisone to help the lungs to heal. 04:57 So I was walking, 04:59 I wasn't feeling as good as I am now, 05:02 so my energy levels weren't 05:04 what they used to be. 05:07 So I've seen a huge difference in 05:10 my energy levels and in my strength, 05:14 and also in my ability to breath. 05:17 Oh wonderful. 05:18 Now did the doctors here 05:20 examine you for your past conditions? 05:24 Yes they did, they did a very thorough examination, 05:28 they did a stress test, they did a 05:31 treadmill test which marked your blood pressure, 05:35 and your heart rate during strenuous exercise 05:40 and they do that at the beginning of the program, 05:42 and then again at the end. 05:44 And how did you fair? 05:45 Oh, at the end it was great! 05:48 I could do quite a bit more than I did, 05:51 I went an extra minute and a half. 05:54 a very strenuous sort of running-walking, and 05:59 It was a big difference, 06:01 my blood pressure too has come down, 06:03 my resting heart rate has improved. 06:06 Awesome, who is your doctor? 06:08 Dr. Lukens. 06:10 What a wonderful man. 06:12 Oh, there are not too many like 06:14 him in the world, he's so special. 06:17 He is a special man, he's been gifted by God. 06:19 He really has been, and you really can see Christ in him. 06:26 Just in the love that he has for each one of his patients, 06:30 and for everyone in general. He had us over to his home 06:34 for supper one night, and he fixed the meal himself! 06:38 He's quite an amazing person. 06:40 He thinks he is a chef, huh? 06:43 I'll have to talk to him about that. 06:46 He is, yes, I've heard that same thing. 06:48 Now about your weight? How are you doing with that? 06:52 Well, I've lost five pounds since arriving, 06:56 I gained quite a bit of weight 06:59 because of the prednisone that I was put on for the lungs, 07:03 so I gained almost 40 pounds, 07:05 so that doesn't come off overnight. 07:10 And I believe in what I've learned here, 07:13 is that when you do a crash diet 07:15 you are going to, probably chances 07:17 are you're going to gain that back. 07:19 But the way to do it here, is to change your 07:21 lifestyle and to eat the way that God intended for us to eat. 07:26 Whole plant foods eaten whole. 07:28 And that has made such a 07:30 difference in my life, and again endurance 07:36 as I said, I didn't do a whole lot of walking, 07:39 I would walk through the mall and 07:40 just be out of breath before I came, 07:43 and on one of my best days here, I walked over nine miles! 07:49 And you weren't out of breath? 07:51 Well during the uphills! 07:53 You know but I felt so invigorated, 07:56 and I felt great, and after the nine miles 07:59 it's not like I wanted to lay down and go to sleep, 08:02 I was almost ready to go for another walk! 08:05 I had to kind of hold back a little bit, but 08:08 the amount of energy is just unbelievable. 08:11 And praise God, it's been a wonderful experience, 08:15 and my energy levels are like never before. 08:18 Isn't God wonderful? 08:20 He is wonderful. 08:21 He just says do what I ask you to do, 08:24 and leave the rest up to me. 08:28 Alright, so from here on, what's next? 08:31 You are going to go back, 08:32 and I know you are going to see your doctors 08:34 when you get back home in Fredrick, 08:36 tell us about what's happening there. 08:39 Well, you know, some of my doctors 08:42 were skeptical about this program, 08:45 others were thrilled and just waiting for 08:48 me to come back so they could see the results 08:50 and really believed in it. 08:52 But my oncologist specially was skeptical, 08:56 and I just can't wait to get 08:57 back for him to see the difference. 09:00 You can kind of rub it in a little! 09:02 Well I want him to see what a blessing 09:06 this program is, and how you 09:08 really get results, and not just. . . 09:10 it's not a quick fix, it's a lifestyle change 09:13 that will be with you for the rest of your life. 09:17 Different from a diet which we've mentioned in the past, 09:21 this lifestyle change encompasses 09:24 not only the food that you eat, 09:27 you know we talk about when to sleep, 09:30 how often you should eat, maybe some people 09:33 will eat only two times a day, some three, 09:36 and a lot of other things also, 09:39 which encompasses, prayer and worship. 09:43 So, I'm so happy for you. 09:47 Thank you, I'm quite thrilled myself! 09:51 Now are you going to be one of our angels? 09:53 How's that? 09:55 Angels are people who go back home, 09:57 and tell their church family, and their 10:01 immediate family all about our NEWSTART program. 10:04 Absolutely! 10:06 I think they will be able. . . I think I will be a 10:09 living example because they saw how I was before, 10:12 and I think our actions and the way we live speak 10:16 louder even sometimes than our words. 10:18 And I hope to be a living testimony of what Weimar can do. 10:22 You are a living testimony. 10:24 Well, thank you. 10:25 Idelys, I want to thank you for joining us here in the studio, 10:28 Thank you, it's been a pleasure. 10:29 God bless you, and stay in touch now. 10:31 I sure will, thank you. 10:33 Folks that it for today, 10:35 but call for your free DVD and brochure, 10:42 ask for guest services. 10:44 Don't go away we'll be right back. 10:48 Well, you've done very well. 10:56 Do you have diabetes, 10:57 heart disease, high blood pressure, 11:00 or do you weigh too much? 11:02 Hi, my name is Dr. Ing, and I'd like to tell you 11:05 about our 18-day NEWSTART lifestyle program. 11:08 It includes a comprehensive medical 11:10 evaluation with laboratories and an 11:13 exercise stress test, 11:15 physician consultations, 11:17 culinary school, 11:19 and an opportunity to walk on beautiful 11:21 trails in the foothills of the Sierras. 11:26 Your health is one of the most 11:27 important things that you have. Don't wait. 11:30 Give us a call. 11:35 Or visit our website. 11:54 Hi friends and welcome back, 11:56 in our studios is Dr. Lukens. 11:59 It's so good to see you. 12:00 Yes, I'm always happy to talk about what 12:03 NEWSTART does for people that are in distress. 12:06 You know, and I am too, and I 12:08 particularly like to talk about this lady because 12:12 we almost lost her, not here at NEWSTART, 12:16 but she has cancer, 12:17 And had non-hodgkin's lymphoma. 12:19 Yes, which is a form of cancer is it not? 12:23 Yes. 12:24 And she looks great. 12:26 Yes, she does! 12:28 What has happened? Tell me what's happened, 12:31 tell our viewers so perhaps they can be inspired. 12:35 Well, the thing that is really wonderful, 12:39 is that, and people out there might think 12:43 you know, is all you can think 12:45 about is NEWSTART, and what they do 12:48 and you're down on everything else, I'm not. 12:51 I believe in surgery for cancer, 12:55 I believe in radiation for cancer. 12:58 I have a cousin who is a 13:00 dosimeter and he has to figure out 13:02 how much radiation 13:05 to give to patients. 13:06 And these things are a curative, sometimes. 13:10 And even chemotherapy, 13:12 the non-hodgkin's lymphoma, 13:15 I think they get a 95 13:16 percent cure rate on these things. 13:18 So we can't be against something that really works, 13:21 But the thing is is that the side effects 13:24 can sometimes be permanent. 13:28 Isn't that why Idelys came to the NEWSTART, 13:31 is because of the side effects? 13:32 Yes. 13:34 And she had radiation for the tumours that were in the chest 13:42 and if they just keep growing, 13:43 obviously you don't have room for 13:46 anything in the chest but the tumours. 13:48 And so they had to do that, 13:50 but it left her with radiation problems 13:55 She called it lung toxicity, but it's just 13:59 a problem there, and you know 14:02 and the thing is, is that there's a lot of other problems 14:05 that people have in their lungs. I know from when I was a baby 14:08 I have damaged lungs from asthma for many many years, 14:11 but haven't had to take any 14:13 medication for my asthma for 18 years now. 14:15 So I know there's secretions in there 14:18 there's inflammation and stuff, and we keep coming back to 14:24 getting the lungs to clear out. 14:29 I know a lot of people this isn't popular with them, 14:31 but even just a little bit of milk protein 14:33 for some people just keeps the inflammation going. 14:37 And so we see, even emphysema patients, 14:41 that when the secretions clear up and 14:44 the inflammation in their lungs is better, 14:46 they start breathing quietly again. 14:49 And this was her thing, 14:51 we were able to do that part out, 14:53 but we got rid of some of the inflammation that came 14:57 from the radiation. 14:59 The secretions that she had in 15:01 her lungs are starting to clear up 15:03 and so she was thrilled because she could start 15:06 she could actually, and she told you that, 15:08 she could go around the half mile loop, 15:11 she could go fast. 15:14 One of the things we know that she is getting better is because 15:18 her pulse was always high, she said 15:20 it's been that way since she was a kid. 15:23 Why do you suppose that was? 15:25 Well some people are just that way, 15:27 But hers was inordinately high, and it was a problem, 15:31 and now it's come down to a normal level. 15:34 Has she been eating in the past before NEWSTART 15:38 animal products, dairy products? 15:40 Yes, yes, why not? 15:42 She was. Why not? Yes 15:46 Since she came here she stopped these things, 15:47 and of course she got better. 15:49 Yes exactly, well I don't know where she'd find them on campus! 15:54 The point I'm getting to is with all 15:57 these animal products she was taking 15:59 these were causing inflammation in the lungs you think? 16:03 They do, and I keep 16:04 talking about the prostaglandins, 16:05 if someone wants to know about prostaglandins google it, 16:08 there's only three and three quarter million hits, 16:11 so you have to have a few minutes 16:12 if you want to find out about it. 16:14 That's a lot of reading right? 16:16 You've talked about it on our program a number of times, 16:19 and I know, it's getting into my brain here, 16:22 but I visualize when we change 16:26 to a plant based whole food program, 16:31 thos prostaglandins get into the arteries, and capillaries 16:35 and they just open up and 16:36 increase the blood flow, is that right? 16:38 They increase the flow, and they 16:40 decrease the inflammation, that's why 16:42 all these areas of inflammation, 16:43 and you can think of inflammation all over the place, 16:46 we'll talk about that in the next patient, you know, 16:50 she gave me a hug last night at the 16:51 banquet and she said you have given me hope. 16:55 Now what other issues was Idelys dealing with? 16:59 I know she wasn't morbidly obese, 17:02 but she was. . . 17:03 Well her normal weight was like 125, 17:08 and you know, somebody that is as vivacious and attractive 17:12 and everything as she is, 17:15 She gained up to 165, they had to 17:17 give her the prednisone in order to. . . 17:20 you know with all the inflammation in there if 17:22 they don't do that she's not going 17:23 to be able to breath at all. 17:25 And that causes weight gain? 17:26 Yes it always does. 17:28 So you know, there's a whole 40 plus or minus pounds there 17:34 And from that time she tried to do some of 17:36 these things at home, started trying to do it 17:39 and she's lost 15, now she's down to 17:42 about 150. 17:44 And that's the right direction, 17:45 that's another reason why she looks better. 17:48 But she's redone it so 17:51 some of the adipose and some of 17:53 that other stuff is gone, and she's 17:56 lean body mass again, so that's wonderful. 18:00 But there are other things that happened to 18:02 her besides the weight gain and the breathing 18:05 her white blood count got so low that they had to give her 18:10 injections to bring the white blood count up, 18:13 she said they weren't so painful at the time, 18:15 but her bones just ached. 18:17 You see, so I can't be against what she did 18:23 to get rid of the lymphoma, 18:27 but she also went through fever treatment here that also helps, 18:32 you know, with her immune system. 18:36 And the thing that's really wonderful 18:39 about that is she's just feeling good now. 18:42 Yes, absolutely, now I get calls 18:44 from time to time, people want to know 18:47 you know, what. . . 18:50 we have people come here for 18 days, 18:52 and I understand we have a program in place now 18:56 where when they leave we do followup. 19:00 Do you followup on the guests as well? 19:03 Yes, as I can and that's why this 19:05 is something that has to be in place 19:09 because you know it's surprising, 19:11 three months from now, 19:13 some of the time the people, 19:15 the message that they go away from, here, 19:18 is something that they've heard long ago, 19:20 that we didn't even say to them, like 19:22 well I gave up red meat, 19:23 and I'm just eating chicken and fish now. 19:26 You know, I mean. . . 19:28 So you know you have to, 19:30 and sometimes their cholesterol was really high 19:33 and they don't get the idea that, well you know, 19:36 I know that olive oil, and canola and Saffola 19:39 those are really good for you, 19:41 so I'm using those now instead of the other, 19:43 and we know from Esselstyn study, 19:46 and the other studies, 19:48 they're not going to get that clearing out of their arteries, 19:51 unless they go to the whole plant foods with no added oil. 19:54 Absolutely none, unless it's natural? 19:56 Well whatever they have to do to get 19:58 their total cholesterol down below 150 20:01 without medicine you see. 20:03 Sometimes you can take a medicine that will 20:06 take your so called bad cholesterol from 150, 20:09 which is high, down to 50. 20:11 And those haven't been shown to be helpful for everyone, 20:17 but if I say, we want your LDL cholesterol down to 70 20:21 and theirs is 50, you know 20:22 everything I say after that is just. . . 20:26 you know because they are already there 20:27 so they need to do it without, 20:29 that's what my family practice news magazine says. 20:32 You've got to do it, and you've got to do it right. 20:35 Without medication? 20:37 Well you know, maybe the 20:38 medication can help in some situations 20:41 but, 20:42 if it's only the medication that's doing it, 20:44 and they haven't done any exercise they haven't done any 20:46 diet change, then they are usually fooling themselves. 20:51 Well if the numbers go from 150 to 50 isn't that a good thing? 20:56 Yes, but it doesn't save that many lives. 20:58 It doesn't? 20:59 No. 21:00 So because you're taking these 21:02 cholesterol lowering medications, 21:04 it doesn't necessarily save a lot 21:06 Your very very happy with the numbers, 21:09 but you see, I do the family practicing, 21:12 and the family practice guys are the primary 21:15 and they have to tell you what 21:17 really happens and what really works 21:19 and they say, you've got to have lifestyle 21:22 you've got to have the diet, 21:24 the diet in this case is the big, 21:27 and then the other is huge too. 21:31 Dr. Lukens, 21:33 I want to thank you for joining us, 21:34 we're running out of time, 21:36 Folks don't go away, we'll be right back with a tip. 21:54 Hello, and welcome to NEWSTART NOW. 21:55 I'm Don Mackintosh, we're glad you're with us, 21:57 and we're glad that Dr. Michael Orlich is with us. 22:00 Thank you for being with us Doctor. 22:01 Glad to be with you. 22:03 You are a doctor that has experience in family practice, 22:05 and also you're boarding now on preventative medicine, 22:08 and you've worked for a number of years, 22:10 here even at Weimar with the NEWSTART program. 22:13 That's correct. 22:14 One of the things that they espouse here, 22:16 in other words they recommend, is that people 22:18 go on a largely plant based diet, if not fully. 22:22 And one of the concerns that we get a lot, 22:23 a lot of phone calls we get, 22:25 so you're going to help us clear this up, 22:26 is what about vitamin B12? I heard that this 22:28 could be a real problem, is that a problem? 22:31 Why is it a problem? What should we do about it if it is? 22:34 Vitamin B12 deficiency can be a real problem. 22:37 It can cause serious diseases. 22:42 It can cause problems with your blood, 22:44 a special type of anemia, 22:46 but more critically still, 22:47 is it can cause damage to your nerves, 22:50 and this can lead to 22:52 psychiatric and neurological 22:54 problems that could be quite serious, 22:57 and if not caught soon enough 23:00 could actually be irreversible. 23:02 So it's a very important thing to know about. 23:04 Now, do many people get this? 23:07 Do many people have these problems? 23:09 Have you ever seen a case? 23:10 Yes I have seen a case unfortunately, 23:13 vitamin B12 deficiency is not common, 23:17 but it is somewhat prevalent. 23:21 And in most cases it relates to 23:24 disorders of the gastrointestinal track 23:28 where the vitamin B12 for one reason or 23:30 another is not able to be absorbed well. 23:33 The other population that is particularly at risk, 23:36 for vitamin B12 deficiency is the elderly. 23:39 Often the elderly get on a sort of tea and toast diet 23:43 and so their not getting in much vitamin B12, 23:46 and they don't absorb it as well 23:48 so as you get older the 23:50 requirements for dietary B12 go up. 23:53 Now I don't want to put you on the spot, 23:54 this is kind of like a true or false question for me, 23:57 but I've heard someone said that most vitamin B12 23:59 deficiencies occur in people that 24:01 are meat eaters. Is that true or false? 24:03 That's true, and that's because of 24:05 the reasons that I just mentioned, 24:07 most of the vitamin B12 deficiencies are 24:09 not due to not getting enough in the diet, 24:12 rather it's due to gastrointestinal 24:14 problems interfering with the absorption. 24:17 However, vegetarians 24:20 particularly vegans or total vegetarians that don't eat any 24:25 animal based foods, no milk, etc. 24:28 are a higher risk of 24:30 developing vitamin B12 deficiency. 24:33 And as you know, at NEWSTART we do teach a plant based diet, 24:36 as a therapeutic diet, 24:37 and as a preventative diet that can 24:39 increase your longevity, and reduce 24:42 your risk for a variety of diseases, 24:45 but we want to be smart about it, 24:46 and we don't want to 24:48 stumble into another problem while we are solving others. 24:50 So what can we do to avoid a deficiency in this? 24:54 It's really very simple, 24:56 you just need to have a known quantity 24:58 of vitamin B12 in your diet, either in pill form, 25:02 or in fortified foods. 25:04 Plant foods do not have naturally occurring vitamin B12 25:09 in any level that you can rely upon. 25:11 Now you may see things 25:15 in health food stores and that 25:16 kind of thing that claim that certain 25:18 seaweeds and things have vitamin B12, 25:20 but this is not really true vitamin B12, 25:23 and you can still have deficiencies. 25:25 So we would recommend either a multi-vitamin that you 25:28 take every day that has a small amount of vitamin B12, 25:31 or you could take a vitamin B12 tablet say once a week, 25:35 or even once every two weeks, and that would be plenty. 25:39 Or you could eat foods that are 25:41 fortified with B12, this could be a lot of 25:44 boxed breakfast cereals, 25:46 many of your soy milks and other products have vitamin B12. 25:50 So you don't need much, it's very easy to get it, 25:53 but you want to be conscious of 25:55 that so you don't become deficient 25:57 and suffer needless problems. 25:59 Thanks a lot for being with us Dr. Mike. 26:01 And thank you for being with us, we hope the 26:03 information you gained today will 26:05 give you a new start, right now. 26:15 Hi, I hope that you've enjoyed as much 26:17 as I have this edition of NEWSTART Now. 26:19 I'm Jim Brackett, executive vice 26:21 president here at the Weimar Center, 26:24 I want to take just a moment to give you an idea of some 26:26 of the wonderful resources we have here at the bookstore, 26:28 such as Dr. Nedley's book Proof Positive. 26:32 Now in addition to Dr. Nedley's book, 26:34 he has a series on depression recovery. 26:36 We have the NEWSTART lifestyle 26:38 series on DVD by our NEWSTART physicians, 26:41 relating to topics like diabetes, 26:43 heart disease, cancer. 26:45 We have a number of authors who have cookbooks here, 26:48 including some in the raw field. 26:50 Now we'd love to have you stop by and visit 26:52 us for your shopping, but you can do it online at: 26:56 Click the link that says bookstore. 26:58 Or use our 800 number, 27:03 And by the way, anytime your 27:05 order is a hundred dollars or more, 27:07 we'll see that you get free the NEWSTART lifestyle cookbook. 27:15 Well friends that's it for today, 27:18 you know I feel privileged working here, I get to watch 27:21 all these miracles week after week. 27:24 People are cured from diseases that 27:26 even their doctors don't know what they have. 27:29 But we have seen high blood pressure, 27:32 cardiovascular diseases 27:34 diabetes, obesity, alcoholism, 27:37 all these ills be turned around, people have left here healthy. 27:42 So if you have a friend or a family member that's 27:45 sick and tired of being sick and tired, 27:48 give us a call, and pick up the phone. 27:50 And call us at: 28:02 God bless you, and have a great week. |
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