Participants: Ron Giannoni (Host), Martha Savage
Series Code: NSN
Program Code: NSN000034
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00:23 Hi and welcome to another edition of NEWSTART NOW.
00:27 We have in our studio this morning a special lady, 00:31 special in that she's been here a 00:33 couple of times to our NEWSTART program. 00:36 Her name is Martha Savage. 00:39 Martha, how are you? 00:40 Thank you I'm very fine today. 00:42 Good. 00:44 I'm very grateful for being here, 00:46 and being very fine today 00:48 Good, and I want to ask you a few questions now, because 00:52 what's unusual about Martha's visit is 00:56 we didn't have a visit with you when you first arrived. 01:00 We met while we were doing blood draws if you recall. 01:05 Martha tell us, you were here in 05, 01:09 in November of 05 01:11 How much weight, lets just start there, 01:13 how much weight did you lose 01:15 from November 05 til today? 01:18 Well I'll tell you how much I weighed in 05, I was 335 01:23 and today I weigh 250. 01:29 I had lost more, but I gained, 01:32 recently I gained back 20 pounds. 01:35 I never gained back everything, but I put on 20 pounds of it. 01:41 And that was a red flag to me, and my health was really bad. 01:46 Ok, why did you come, of all the places, 01:49 why did you come to the NEWSTART program? 01:52 It was suggested to me by a nurse 01:55 that I had heart problems, 01:57 and she suggested that I come to Weimar, 02:00 and get on a healthy program 02:04 diet wise, mentally wise, spiritually wise. 02:11 Ok, but you left, and you were doing ok 02:15 you continued losing weight, 02:17 but here you are again, you've come back 02:20 for this session, and yet you are going to 02:22 another session at the end of this one, right? 02:25 Yes, I am. 02:26 Ok, what has happened? 02:28 I had terrible pain that didn't go away, 02:33 excruciating pain, and 02:38 I found out when I came back 02:41 this time, that I'm overmedicated. 02:45 And Dr. Lukens took away all my medication, I came on Sunday 02:50 and Monday he took my medicine away, 02:52 and I haven't been on it since. 02:55 I'm clearheaded, I'm not dizzy 02:57 when I try to stand up from a chair, 03:00 When I'm walking I'm not light headed 03:02 and feeling like I'm going to fall down, 03:06 or you know, fall backwards, or faint or something. 03:11 I don't have any of those symptoms, 03:14 and here it is Thursday. 03:16 Yes Thursday, it's been like three days right? 03:19 All I'm taking is my pain medication 03:22 because you can't just come off of it just 03:26 cold turkey you have to come down off of it slowly. 03:29 I'm a diabetic, so I take insulin. 03:33 The food program here is excellent for my diabetes 03:38 I've lost two pounds while I've been here, 03:41 I'm very grateful for that. 03:43 Let me stop you for a moment. 03:47 Since you've been here, 03:48 and I know it's only been like four days, 03:51 are you taking the same amount of insulin? 03:56 No, no I've cut back. 03:59 You have cut back, ok so the program 04:02 by being here, you're starting to 04:06 slow down the amount of insulin that you're taking. 04:09 Now how much less are you taking? 04:12 Well at home I used to take between 04:17 25 and 30, and here I'm taking 10 to 15. 04:26 And that's in the first four days. 04:29 Yes. 04:30 Tell me about the medications that 04:33 Dr. Lukens advised you to discontinue. 04:36 What kind of medications were they? 04:39 Blood. . . I mean. . . 04:42 blood pressure medication 04:45 I was taking a lot of psych medicines for mental depression 04:51 chronic depression, I'm not taking those, I'm not depressed. 04:56 Ok, let's talk about the blood pressure medications. 05:01 Is your blood pressure normal right now? 05:03 It's going down yes, and it's going down every day. 05:06 Good, what was it this morning? 05:10 Do you recall? 05:14 I'm sorry I don't recall, I had my 05:16 paper with me but I don't have it over here. 05:20 The good news is that your blood pressure is dropping, 05:24 you're thinking more clearly now than you were, 05:28 and so Dr. Lukens, as I understand it, 05:32 has advised you to stop these medications 05:36 because they made you foggy and not thinking correctly? 05:39 Well, he took them away because he wanted to see how I would do, 05:46 because I had so many symptoms, that 05:49 he said my medicine I'm taking is too strong for me. 05:54 And possibly I might be taking too much medication. 05:59 And I'm grateful for how I feel right now. 06:03 I wouldn't have attempted it on my own I would have been 06:06 afraid to stop my medication, but 06:09 being here I feel very safe with his direction. 06:15 Now I know, and I've got to 06:17 say to the viewing audience, that 06:21 you know there are many people out there taking medications, 06:25 and being sick because of them 06:27 I myself, as I recall, after I had a five way bypass 06:32 like you have, 06:35 I was getting dizzy and I was taking 06:37 these different kinds of medications 06:39 and they could never quite get it right, 06:41 and I kept telling my doctor, 06:43 you know, something isn't right, something isn't right. 06:46 Well when I came here, I stopped my 06:49 medication for high blood pressure 06:52 six days after I arrived. 06:54 So there is a chance that people who are sick, 06:58 on a lot of different medications. 07:01 You and I are fortunate, we've had 07:03 people here on 20 to 25 medications. 07:05 I was on 19. 07:07 You were on 19! Oh my goodness! 07:10 And your only, how many are you taking today? 07:12 Just my pain medication and my insulin. 07:15 Wow, you see there. . . 07:17 And I cut back my pain medication. 07:19 Oh, what a blessing, what a blessing. 07:24 I have degenerate arthritis in my spine, and in my neck. 07:28 And I was suffering, I hurt so bad the other day in my back 07:33 that I couldn't lean forward to 07:35 get the salad out of the salad bin 07:38 and I had to ask the person next to me if they could 07:40 serve me my salad because I couldn't lean any further. 07:45 I didn't have this problem at breakfast this morning. 07:49 Oh praise God. 07:52 So needless to say you are doing better. 07:54 Now let's talk about your walking, 07:57 I know you've had some problem with that. 07:59 How are you doing with your walking? 08:02 Well outside, I haven't walked outside. 08:05 I've been walking in the hall ways. 08:07 When I came here I was very very tired and exhausted 08:11 so I've taken the time to rest a few days instead of walking, 08:15 I mean I will walk to everything, 08:17 I walk to my meetings and everything. 08:19 But I haven't added walking to it, 08:21 but I do go to the stretching at six o-clock in the morning. 08:25 So you go to the stretching exercise in the morning. 08:28 I saw you there this morning by the way, 08:30 that's where I came and met you. 08:32 Ok, so that's helping you feel better, 08:35 and the pain is subsiding? 08:38 It's not only subsiding, I don't have any pain. 08:41 None at all? - None at all. 08:42 Well that's great. 08:44 Praise the Lord, yes, and the treatments here 08:49 the food program, the water, the hydro 08:54 I go to that, and I have also 08:57 when I was at home, my legs were purple, 09:00 and my feet were purple, 09:02 and now I have normal color in my legs, 09:05 from the. . . I'm taking the hot and cold 09:09 treatment where you just put 09:10 your legs and feet in little tubs 09:13 and I do that. 09:15 So in four days your legs are now 09:18 normal color, they're not purple. 09:22 Yes, they're not purple. 09:23 When I asked my doctor about my legs, 09:25 when they were purple and bloodshot and all that 09:28 she said Oh don't worry about that, 09:29 that's typical for diabetics. 09:31 Oh man. 09:33 Yes, and now my legs are normal also. 09:36 They told me that I had been tested for 09:41 my veins in my legs to see if they're clogged or anything, 09:46 and they said for well now they wouldn't do anything, 09:49 this one is worse than the left one, 09:53 But they wouldn't do anything right now, until 09:56 maybe I would have to have my foot amputated or something. 10:00 Ouch, don't want to do that. 10:02 No, don't want to do that. 10:03 Well Martha, I want to thank you 10:05 for joining us here in the studios, 10:07 God bless you dear. 10:09 Thank you. 10:10 I'll pray for you everyday. 10:11 Thank you, and I'll pray for you also, 10:15 and I appreciate being interviewed 10:16 because I want to help anybody 10:19 who has problems, I want them 10:21 to be able to come here to Weimar 10:24 and have a fresh start physically, 10:27 mentally, and spiritually. 10:29 Thank you, dear. 10:31 Folks, that it for today, but don't go away, 10:34 because we have a message for you, 10:36 don't go away we'll be right back 10:39 Well you've done very well. 10:48 Do you have heart disease, diabetes, heart disease, 10:52 or do you weigh too much? 10:54 Hi my name is Dr. Ing, 10:55 and I'd like to tell you about our 10:57 18 day NEWSTART lifestyle program. 11:00 It includes a comprehensive medical 11:02 evaluation with laboratory studies, 11:05 and a exercise stress test, 11:07 physician consultations, 11:09 culinary school, 11:11 and an opportunity to walk on beautiful 11:14 trails in the foothills of the Sierras. 11:18 Your health is one of the most 11:19 important things that you have, don't wait 11:22 Give us a call at: 11:27 Or visit our website at: 11:46 Welcome back folks, and in our studio I have Dr. Lukens 11:50 Dr. Lukens how are you? 11:51 Very good to be here. 11:53 It's always good to see you. 11:54 I wanted you to do this one. 11:55 I know you did, and this lady is pretty incredible, 11:58 because I talked to here the day she got here, 12:01 and she was not real stable as you know. 12:04 Now she's off these medications, she is thinking clearly 12:08 she's able to communicate. 12:10 I know this is a blessing, 12:13 How did you find that she was taking too many medications. 12:18 Well, one of the things that 12:20 they tell us every time I go for a 12:23 review and an update in family practice, 12:26 they say your the primary 12:28 and all the specialists have put their medications in. 12:31 Your job is to figure out which ones they can get off of. 12:36 And they say, Look sometimes all 12:38 you have to do is give the patient 12:41 a therapeutic holiday. 12:44 and they get well because this ones done that, 12:46 and that one's done the other thing. 12:48 And so I just decided, 12:50 one of the things is that she tried to do the treadmill 12:53 and she couldn't get her blood pressure over 110. 12:56 That gave me the idea that she was on 12:58 too much medication for her blood pressure. 13:01 But with her legs swelling, they had to give her the lasix 13:05 to get the excess water out. 13:08 So it was just a no brainer when she couldn't stand up, 13:12 and she said, I feel light headed. 13:14 She was also having a reaction to her insulin, 13:17 so she was sitting there, just kind of. . . 13:20 you know you can tell when 13:22 people are going south on you with their insulin. 13:25 And she said, I feel nauseated, I feel like I'm going to vomit. 13:29 And so I said, Well look 13:33 let's just stop all of your medication now 13:36 and then we'll add the ones back that you need. 13:39 So the very next day I weighed her, 13:41 to see what her weight was doing, 13:44 because we've had 13:45 people come off of five different 13:47 medications for their blood pressure by the Thursday. 13:50 So I weighed her the next day, 13:52 and she was still losing a little bit of weight, 13:54 so I knew that she didn't need to have the diuretic 13:58 And the next day she said 14:00 Doctor thank you so much for taking me off these medicines, 14:04 I just feel like I can do something now, 14:06 I can think I can walk, I don't have the pain, 14:10 and all these things, so I said, 14:11 Well that's wonderful now let's see how you do. 14:14 She's going to be here two sessions, 14:16 and that's going to be really wonderful. 14:18 Yes and perhaps we can get here 14:19 in the studio for the next session. 14:23 How about at the end of the two? 14:25 Yes, yes that's what I'm talking about. 14:28 I wanted to ask you this: 14:29 now she tells us she was on several medications, 14:35 isn't this kind of common 14:37 here's a lady who's had a five way bypass 14:40 she's all of a sudden come up with diabetes, 14:43 she's morbidly obese 14:46 and the list goes on and on and on with all 14:48 these different problems that she is having. 14:50 And each time she goes to a specialist, 14:52 as you've already suggested, 14:54 they want to give here something to help her. 14:57 Is this really typical? 14:59 Is this happening out there in the world, 15:01 are people watching us out there right now 15:03 saying, Yes, I'm just like this lady, help me. 15:06 What can they do? 15:07 Well you know there really is, but to be fair to everybody, 15:11 the idea that most people say is, 15:13 Look, just give me the pill Doc, 15:15 and we'll worry about the diet and exercise next time. 15:19 You see, so it's not entirely their fault. 15:22 I talked to a cardiologist one time 15:24 and he realized, he said, Wow, this is going to be great. 15:27 So he went out there in the real 15:29 world and started talking to his patients, 15:31 telling them to do this, telling them to do that, 15:33 their just kind of like. . . 15:35 You know, so he finally stopped talking to 15:37 them and just started writing them prescriptions. 15:39 It's kind of discouraging, I would imagine. 15:41 It is discouraging, but this lady 15:43 needed to know that she could do it, 15:45 And she was here in September of 05, you see. 15:48 Was it September? 15:49 It was September of 05, and she lost over 100 pounds! 15:54 On here diet and exercise, now that's true grit. 15:58 And she went in to see her doctor, 16:00 and I don't know anything about him, 16:02 but he's not real supportive, 16:03 and he was sitting there at his computer 16:05 saying, Now tell me what was the 16:07 date of your gastric bypass surgery? 16:09 She said, I didn't. . . 16:11 He said, I've got to enter this into your history, your record. 16:15 She said, No I did it with diet and exercise, 16:18 that lifestyle thing. 16:19 He just kind of looked at her, 16:21 didn't say anything, just went on. 16:22 And see, she said, I don't get encouragement. 16:25 But I mean, you know, there isn't time, 16:29 and that's what we're going to have to do is 16:30 we're going to have to take care of our own health. 16:32 So she loses all this weight, she's feeling better, 16:37 then there's a big stress that comes up in her life, 16:40 and she goes back to some of her old things. 16:42 We were talking about that yesterday you know. 16:44 And so she gains back 20 or 30 pounds. 16:48 She realizes what's happened in the past, 16:50 and she says, Now I'm going to go back, 16:52 I don't care what happens 16:54 let's spend the money, 16:55 and I'm going to go back where I know 16:57 that they can help me, because 16:59 I've done it before and it works. 17:01 And here she is. 17:03 It's absolutely a marvelous story, 17:05 I can really relate to her, 17:07 because it happened with me as you know. 17:10 And I know there are people watching right now, 17:12 that are saying, Can it help me? 17:15 I would like to think that, you know 17:18 this isn't snake oil, this isn't something 17:21 where you come here, and we give you another pill, 17:24 and you can get well. 17:25 You actually change your lifestyle 17:27 while you are here at our NEWSTART program. 17:30 And the doctors are with you everyday, 17:32 they eat breakfast with you 17:34 they eat lunch, and if some of you eat dinner, 17:36 they eat dinner with you, 17:38 they help you, they walk with you, 17:40 and you'll be encouraged. 17:41 So if you have any doubts, just pick up the phone, 17:45 Dr. Lukens would love to talk with you, 17:47 I'll talk with you, 17:48 Dr. Ing will talk with you, 17:50 we have a staff of people at guest 17:52 services that will chat with you, 17:54 but you got to pick up that phone, 17:56 call: 18:01 Enough pluggin now, let's get back to this 18:03 story because I'm really excited about it. 18:05 Ok, the other thing is, that her eyesight is going away, you see 18:10 and she has this terrible pain in her feet 18:13 we call that neuropathy, diabetic peripheral neuropathy. 18:17 And there's nothing out there that can give you the gabapentin 18:20 they can give you the various things 18:23 that they try to help you with the pain. 18:26 And I've had patients tell me, 18:28 they say there's nothing you can do, 18:29 what about if I keep my blood pressure, 18:31 what if I get my diabetes under control will that help it? 18:35 No we just really don't know of anything. 18:38 But we did some studies in the past and we find out that 18:41 the majority of the people 18:43 the pain gets a lot better or it may 18:46 be completely gone in four to six days 18:49 Now Doctor, when she was here at the last 18:52 session, I want to say in September of 05 18:56 was she walking then better than she is now? 19:00 We've got to get a picture of her, 19:01 because you wouldn't 19:03 recognize her as the same person. 19:04 Really, well she was 100 pounds heavier. 19:06 Yes more than a hundred pounds more, 19:08 I didn't recognize her when I saw her. 19:10 But see this is the thing, you keep coming back, 19:13 you keep fine tuning it until you are where you want to be. 19:17 So by the time this session, 19:20 say not this one but the next session 19:22 because she is staying for two right? 19:24 - Yes. 19:25 By the time that second session is over 19:28 will she be able to walk on her own and under her own power? 19:31 She's already pretty much doing it. 19:33 She came up from the clinic this morning, 19:35 and I was surprised, I expected her to be 19:37 kind of just pushing her walker along, 19:39 she walked right up to the top of that incline there, 19:42 and I said, Wow, don't you need to rest? 19:43 and she said, yes it's a little bit steep. 19:45 But she just kept right on going. 19:47 Wow, isn't that wonderful? - Yes, it's great. 19:49 That's just fantastic, and she loves the food. 19:52 Yes, and she's very appreciative, 19:54 she has a good attitude, 19:55 She knows she's been through it before, 19:57 she knows she can do it again, and go further this time 20:00 What about her depression? 20:02 are we able to help her with her depression? 20:04 You know, some of the best psychiatrists I know and also 20:07 my wife's newsletters say 20:10 with every single 20:13 medication that you give to the depressed person 20:17 you have to incorporate exercise. 20:20 Exercise has to be there, 20:22 otherwise the medications won't work. 20:25 And one of the psychiatrists that we're associated with 20:27 he said, I would do anything 20:30 if I could get my patients to exercise. 20:32 He says, I know that my pills 20:33 aren't going to do that much for them, 20:34 unless they will exercise as well. 20:37 Well we got an answer for that one 20:39 for some of you doctors out there, 20:42 all you need to do is take the 20:43 time and walk with your patients. 20:46 That's what we do here. 20:48 Dr. Lukens does it, Dr Ing does it, 20:51 and several other doctors who fill in from time to time. 20:55 They walk, you walk. . . 20:56 I see you walking all the time with guests. 20:59 So that's the way to encourage them, 21:02 you're leading by example wouldn't you say? 21:04 I'll tell you, you know in Corinthians it says 21:07 Now abides faith, hope, and love, 21:09 but the greatest of these is love. 21:11 We know that, but hope is huge. 21:14 If they are hopeless, and 21:15 discouraged nothing is going to happen. 21:18 When they get hope, then they go for it, 21:20 and they get well, the Lord heals them. 21:23 And I see that you give them hope, 21:26 I see that you add to that 21:28 and I want to thank you, 21:29 and thank you for joining us in the studio. 21:31 The Holy Spirit does it. 21:32 Thank you Dr. Lukens for joining us. 21:34 This is exciting and we want other 21:36 people to be encouraged and do it too. 21:38 And thank you for joining us folks, 21:40 and don't go away, we'll be right back. 21:57 Welcome to NEWSTART at home, I'm your host Don Mackintosh, 21:59 we're glad that you're with us today. 22:01 And today, I'm delighted that Dr. Neil Nedley 22:03 is with us in the studio, Welcome Dr. Nedley. 22:05 Thank you, good to be here. 22:08 We're going to talk today about something that usually an 22:11 internal medicine specialist isn't known 22:12 for but probably should be known for 22:14 and that is, how to deal with your emotions. 22:17 Absolutely, emotional intelligence, in fact 22:20 how successful people are at changing their lifestyle for 22:23 the better is intricately 22:25 related to emotional intelligence. 22:27 It has to do with motivation, 22:29 it has to do with relationships, 22:31 it has to do with accurate thinking, 22:33 understanding their emotions 22:35 and actually managing their emotions, 22:37 instead of their emotions managing them. 22:39 I'm sure that in the acute 22:41 care settings that you are in this is key, 22:42 for people to get better, because they are in 22:44 very emotionally draining, and unstable situations. 22:47 The mind and the body are connected. 22:50 Now you know you have these ten distortions 22:53 or you know, thought processes that can be confused 22:56 and one of the ones that you list here is mental filter. 23:00 What do you mean by that? 23:01 Well a mental filter, an example of this is 23:04 I finished the most grueling task I had ever taken 23:09 anatomy, histology, which is anatomy under the microscope, 23:13 neuroanatomy, embryology. 23:16 And it was a tough exam, and when I got out of it, 23:18 I was one of the last ones out of the exam, 23:20 there was a group of student 23:22 hovered by a girl that was very emotional 23:25 and I thought she had been hurt or something, 23:27 she was crying as well. 23:29 And so I went over there to see what was going on, 23:32 and she was talking about the test, she could think 23:35 of 17 questions already that she had gotten wrong, 23:38 and she hadn't even cracked her book open, 23:40 and so she knew that she had failed the test. 23:42 And she was going over these 17 questions over and over again. 23:47 With the people there. 23:49 And I realized I had missed some of those too, 23:51 so I was starting to wonder about my outcome. 23:53 She just told us that she 23:55 wasn't cut out to be a physician, 23:57 this proved it, she wasn't going to be able to do it. 24:00 She went home, she sobbed the whole two weeks, 24:03 never cracked her book open, because she 24:05 knew she would even be devastated further 24:07 but told her parents she couldn't be a doctor, 24:09 even though she wanted to be, and they wanted her to be. 24:12 And they had to really 24:13 coerce her back to medical school 24:15 because she was going to completely drop out. 24:17 And with trembling hands she took her test out of her mailbox 24:22 and there it was, minus 17, 83 percent, 24:25 this is by far the highest grade in the class. 24:29 And so all of the emotional problems she caused herself, 24:33 all the emotional problems she caused us 24:35 and her family, was all due to the mental filter of focusing 24:39 in on those 17 questions that she knew she had gotten wrong. 24:43 So the lesson here is be careful the filter you put on something. 24:47 That's right, and of course, 24:49 we can put an opposite filter on it. 24:51 Samson told his parents, 24:53 Get her for me, for she pleases me well. 24:57 And they tried to say, Well what about her religion? 25:00 Well what about this? What about that? 25:02 they tried to ask him some questions, 25:04 is this someone you really want to marry? 25:06 And he said, She's beautiful 25:08 and she's got a great personality, 25:10 and with those two things and further more, I love her. 25:13 And with all of that, you just knew that it was going to work, 25:17 all those other things his parents 25:18 were concerned about were not important. 25:21 He used a mental filter, and he unfortunately 25:23 never got rid of that filter when it came to women. 25:27 He went from one to another, divorce divorce divorce, 25:31 simply due to a mental filter. 25:34 Another one real quick is disqualifying the positive? 25:37 Yes, now this is even worse. 25:39 Instead of just focusing in on one aspect of things, 25:42 you know, almost to the exclusion 25:43 of other which is what a filter does, 25:45 this actually acknowledges the other side, 25:48 but then totally discounts it. 25:51 And of course that can be even more severe. 25:53 I know of someone that I was seeing in the psychiatric unit 25:57 that told me that no one cares a whipstitch about me. 25:59 And I told her, Well I do, 26:01 I wouldn't be here if I didn't care for you, 26:03 there's other things I could do, 26:04 furthermore I know the staff cares about you. 26:07 And she would say, Those 26:08 people don't count Dr. Nedley 26:10 they're not part of the real world, 26:11 and no one that's part of the real world likes me. 26:14 You know, I pointed out her family had visited her, 26:17 the other patients liked her. 26:19 She said those people don't count 26:20 Dr. Nedley, they don't know the real me. 26:22 But she would acknowledge it and then discount it, 26:25 and of course that can be a dangerous situation, 26:27 and she needed cognitive 26:28 behavioural therapy which is a way of 26:30 improving her emotional 26:31 intelligence before she was discharged. 26:33 We're glad you joined us today on 26:36 NEWSTART at home, go to our website at: 26:38 and get the help you or perhaps a friend needs today. 26:41 Thanks for joining us. 26:51 Hi I hope you have enjoyed as much as 26:53 I have this edition of NEWSTART NOW. 26:55 I'm Jim, Brackett, executive vice 26:57 president here at the Weimar Center, 26:59 I want to take just a minute to give you an idea of some 27:02 of the wonderful resources we have here at the bookstore, 27:05 such as Dr. Nedley's book called Proof Positive. 27:08 Now in addition to Dr. Nedley's book, 27:10 he has a series on depression recovery 27:12 we have the NEWSTART lifestyle 27:14 series on DVD by our NEWSTART physicians, 27:17 relating to topics like heart disease, diabetes, cancer. 27:21 we have a number of 27:22 authors who have cook books here, 27:24 including some in the raw field. 27:26 Now we'd love to have you stop by and visit 27:28 us for your shopping, but you can do it online at: 27:32 Click the link that says bookstore. 27:34 Or use our 800 number: 27:40 And by the way, any time your order is 100 dollars or more 27:43 we'll see that you get free the NEWSTART lifestyle cookbook. 27:51 Well friends, that's it for today, 27:53 thank you for joining us, 27:55 pick up the phone right now, and give us a call at: 28:02 In the meantime, God bless you, and have a great week. |
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