Hi folks, and welcome to
another edition of NEWSTART Now.
00:00:24.09\00:00:28.30
We have an unusual
situation here today.
00:00:28.36\00:00:30.87
We're not going
to begin as usual.
00:00:31.03\00:00:32.84
We have Bill
Strutt in our studio.
00:00:33.30\00:00:36.54
Bill's been at our
NEWSTART program now
00:00:36.69\00:00:39.84
for 17 days.
Tomorrow's his last day.
00:00:40.15\00:00:44.18
And at the last minute,
00:00:44.39\00:00:46.03
Bill asked if he
could be interviewed,
00:00:46.04\00:00:48.48
and what we'll do
is interview him now.
00:00:48.66\00:00:51.72
Four months from now
we'll interview him again.
00:00:52.18\00:00:55.51
So with no further ado,
00:00:55.81\00:00:58.63
Bill Strutt. How are you, Bill?
00:00:59.18\00:01:01.39
Pleased to meet you.
00:01:01.48\00:01:02.51
My pleasure. Doing great.
00:01:02.52\00:01:03.72
Alright, so why don't we
just start from the beginning?
00:01:03.84\00:01:07.09
What events
transpired to cause you
00:01:07.39\00:01:11.00
to want to come
to NEWSTART program?
00:01:11.01\00:01:14.48
Well, I've been on
a lot of medications.
00:01:15.00\00:01:19.54
I've been on 8 medications
that I take 13 times a day,
00:01:19.55\00:01:24.27
for diabetes, and
for high blood pressure
00:01:24.69\00:01:28.18
and cholesterol, and...
00:01:28.19\00:01:30.06
Eight different medications?
00:01:30.18\00:01:31.30
Yeah, including insulin.
00:01:31.39\00:01:33.06
How many times a day?
00:01:33.57\00:01:35.03
Well, up to 13 times I've taken
00:01:35.12\00:01:37.60
different
medications during the day.
00:01:37.61\00:01:40.54
And I've had a hard life...
00:01:41.42\00:01:46.09
I've done a lot of things
00:01:46.24\00:01:47.84
that weren't too
good for my body, so....
00:01:47.85\00:01:50.48
My sister-in-law came through
00:01:51.24\00:01:52.84
theprogram here a
number of years ago,
00:01:52.85\00:01:55.03
and she suggested to me
after I'd gone to a doctor visit
00:01:55.24\00:01:59.51
and found out
that I was going to get
00:01:59.84\00:02:02.66
upped on some more of
my diabetes medication,
00:02:02.67\00:02:06.03
to check into it.
00:02:06.24\00:02:07.75
And so that's
how I ended up here.
00:02:08.00\00:02:10.81
Okay, so we've got diabetes,
00:02:11.33\00:02:13.51
we've got a little
weight problem, okay...
00:02:14.09\00:02:16.60
How about depression?
00:02:16.84\00:02:18.72
Needless to say, that
comes with the territory.
00:02:20.06\00:02:24.48
Like I said, I
haven't taken very good care
00:02:25.48\00:02:27.66
of my body over the years.
00:02:27.67\00:02:29.03
I'm about 60 pounds overweight,
00:02:29.30\00:02:32.75
I've drank
alcohol for many years,
00:02:33.12\00:02:37.51
I just quit
smoking a week before
00:02:38.06\00:02:40.36
coming to the NEWSTART program.
00:02:40.37\00:02:42.45
Well, congratulations!
00:02:42.46\00:02:44.42
It's been hard, but I tell you,
00:02:44.87\00:02:48.30
I've quit before. It's
been a lot easier here.
00:02:48.60\00:02:51.81
A lot easier.
00:02:51.87\00:02:53.36
Well, this time
it's for good. Yes.
00:02:53.39\00:02:55.12
Alright. Okay, so...
00:02:55.13\00:02:57.42
Here we are, we're 17
days into the program.
00:02:57.87\00:03:00.54
This is an unusual interview
00:03:00.55\00:03:04.15
because we generally interview
00:03:04.16\00:03:05.81
our guests when
they first arrive.
00:03:05.82\00:03:07.75
However, Bill has agreed to
come back, like I said earlier,
00:03:07.76\00:03:12.15
in about 4 months.
00:03:12.21\00:03:14.00
So when you got here,
00:03:14.12\00:03:15.69
I talked to you
then. You were pretty down.
00:03:15.70\00:03:18.18
You looked like,
"Man, do I need some help."
00:03:18.81\00:03:22.87
Well...
00:03:23.18\00:03:24.42
Tell me now, in these 17 days,
00:03:25.15\00:03:28.09
how we've progressed.
00:03:28.24\00:03:29.48
How many times a day are
you taking your medications now?
00:03:29.66\00:03:32.78
I am off all of them now.
00:03:33.09\00:03:36.15
Off all of them.
çlaughterÑ You're kidding!
00:03:36.21\00:03:38.12
Every single one of them.
00:03:38.18\00:03:39.42
Including the insulin?
00:03:39.63\00:03:41.03
Yep. The insulin was
one of the first to go,
00:03:41.33\00:03:43.75
and then the heart medication,
00:03:44.27\00:03:47.24
then the cholesterol medication.
00:03:47.25\00:03:49.69
Then the doctors,
they're so knowledgeable,
00:03:50.24\00:03:55.30
and blessed.
00:03:55.54\00:03:57.09
They've weaned the rest of
my diabetes medications down
00:03:57.27\00:04:02.78
to where the doctor took me
off the last one three days ago.
00:04:03.30\00:04:07.06
Wow.
00:04:07.21\00:04:08.21
So I'm medication free.
00:04:08.30\00:04:09.81
Well that's it. I'm
throwing in the towel.
00:04:10.09\00:04:12.03
Let's get ahold of
the media director.
00:04:12.21\00:04:13.84
We don't need him to
come back in four months!
00:04:14.06\00:04:16.09
He's already
accomplished his goal.
00:04:16.30\00:04:18.51
But you know, that's wonderful.
00:04:18.63\00:04:20.39
I know there are
viewers out there
00:04:20.84\00:04:23.03
that are listening to this,
00:04:23.04\00:04:24.57
and it's hard to believe.
00:04:24.81\00:04:26.24
I've seen this
now for four years,
00:04:26.66\00:04:29.81
time and time and time again.
00:04:29.82\00:04:31.75
And it's still, even
though it happened to me,
00:04:32.24\00:04:34.66
it's still almost unbelievable.
00:04:34.81\00:04:38.00
I'm so happy for you.
00:04:38.45\00:04:39.75
How much weight have you lost?
00:04:40.30\00:04:41.54
I've lost about 10 pounds.
00:04:41.81\00:04:43.48
The weight loss is going a
little slower than I'd like,
00:04:43.69\00:04:47.03
but I have the tools
00:04:47.15\00:04:48.81
to be able to take it off.
00:04:49.09\00:04:52.09
It's just going to take time.
00:04:52.10\00:04:53.39
And it takes dedication.
00:04:53.40\00:04:54.84
It takes dedication,
00:04:55.06\00:04:56.72
and most of all it
takes the hand of God.
00:04:56.75\00:04:59.03
The mighty hand of
God and the guidance.
00:04:59.15\00:05:01.54
Amen.
00:05:01.81\00:05:02.84
So it sounds to me like
you've learned our acronym,
00:05:02.87\00:05:06.69
the NEWSTART.
00:05:07.00\00:05:08.60
Let's go over it together,
00:05:09.06\00:05:10.27
because I know the viewers
would like to hear this as well.
00:05:10.28\00:05:13.09
So the N is for...?
00:05:13.18\00:05:14.57
Nutrition.
00:05:14.72\00:05:16.36
E is for...
00:05:16.37\00:05:17.60
Exercise.
00:05:17.61\00:05:19.03
Exercise, the biggie!
00:05:19.04\00:05:20.69
And the W is for what?
00:05:20.70\00:05:22.63
Water.
00:05:22.64\00:05:24.06
And the S?
00:05:24.07\00:05:25.42
For sunshine.
00:05:25.43\00:05:26.51
Yes, and T?
00:05:26.72\00:05:28.42
It's for temperance.
00:05:28.43\00:05:31.12
Yeah, you and I know about that.
00:05:31.18\00:05:32.57
That's right, we've
got to have temperance.
00:05:32.58\00:05:34.51
A is for?
00:05:34.69\00:05:35.84
Air.
00:05:35.87\00:05:37.18
How long could we
live without good air?
00:05:37.19\00:05:39.84
We can't. Not too long.
00:05:40.00\00:05:42.27
And R...
00:05:42.48\00:05:43.51
...is for rest.
00:05:43.66\00:05:45.18
Rest. Have you
learned to rest here?
00:05:45.21\00:05:47.42
I have, I have.
00:05:47.57\00:05:49.15
You're in a situation here where
00:05:49.16\00:05:52.18
you don't have distractions.
00:05:52.30\00:05:53.72
You're in nature.
00:05:53.73\00:05:55.18
You don't have the
television, the telephone,
00:05:55.63\00:05:59.30
everything that... All the toys?
00:05:59.51\00:06:01.30
...to interrupt your life.
00:06:01.39\00:06:02.48
So you can focus
on what's at hand.
00:06:02.57\00:06:06.30
And now, for me,
the most powerful
00:06:06.75\00:06:09.48
letter of that NEWSTART.
00:06:09.49\00:06:11.36
Trust in God. The T.
00:06:11.63\00:06:12.72
Trust in the divine power.
00:06:13.06\00:06:15.06
You know, I've never shared
00:06:15.54\00:06:17.33
this with you.
We haven't talked.
00:06:17.34\00:06:19.42
When I came through the
NEWSTART program in '05,
00:06:21.36\00:06:25.63
after I came here I
wanted to learn more about
00:06:26.12\00:06:29.06
what these people were doing.
00:06:29.24\00:06:30.72
These doctors
that pray with you,
00:06:30.81\00:06:33.03
and the massage
therapist, and all these people.
00:06:33.12\00:06:36.81
And I consequently
ended up studying the Bible.
00:06:36.84\00:06:42.00
And in November of '05,
00:06:42.63\00:06:45.48
I was baptized,
00:06:46.09\00:06:48.27
which was absolutely wonderful.
00:06:48.72\00:06:51.39
And since then, my
entire life has changed.
00:06:51.72\00:06:54.84
I see a similar pattern here.
00:06:55.06\00:06:57.27
Now, we talked
before the program began,
00:06:57.72\00:07:01.24
and he's
telling me that he was a
00:07:01.42\00:07:03.33
pretty bad guy.
00:07:03.75\00:07:05.39
He doesn't know about me yet.
00:07:06.48\00:07:07.87
I think we'll exchange
stories so he won't feel so bad.
00:07:07.88\00:07:11.30
But you know, the
Lord is forgiving.
00:07:11.66\00:07:14.24
Jesus said, "Come to me,
00:07:15.12\00:07:17.33
and repent." He is forgiving.
00:07:18.36\00:07:22.36
So you're not such a bad guy.
00:07:22.69\00:07:24.51
You've got a great smile.
00:07:24.81\00:07:26.06
çlaughterÑ Thank you, thank you.
00:07:26.51\00:07:28.06
So where do we go from
here? What are you going to do
00:07:28.21\00:07:30.51
between now and 3
or 4 months from now
00:07:30.78\00:07:35.15
when you come
back into the studio?
00:07:35.16\00:07:37.09
God willing - We
have goals. God willing,
00:07:38.57\00:07:41.78
I'm going to hopefully
be 40 pounds less of Bill
00:07:41.84\00:07:47.78
when he sees you again. Yes.
00:07:48.06\00:07:49.54
so we'll be seeing less of you.
00:07:49.78\00:07:51.63
Let's hope so. çlaughterÑ
00:07:51.64\00:07:53.57
But I'm confident
00:07:53.58\00:07:56.06
and assured that
that will be the case
00:07:56.36\00:07:59.51
as long as I
follow the prescription.
00:07:59.57\00:08:02.45
The prescription is,
Follow the vegan diet,
00:08:03.15\00:08:07.00
and exercise.
00:08:07.24\00:08:08.72
Put your trust in God.
00:08:08.73\00:08:10.18
Amen. Get the rest.
00:08:10.33\00:08:11.75
Get the exercise, the
nutrition, the water, the air.
00:08:11.76\00:08:14.78
The rest of it
all comes together.
00:08:14.84\00:08:16.63
Now, did you even think
00:08:18.39\00:08:20.87
when you got here
00:08:21.45\00:08:23.45
seventeen days ago on Sunday,
00:08:23.60\00:08:26.36
did you think that
this was all possible?
00:08:26.72\00:08:29.57
You know, I actually did.
00:08:30.69\00:08:33.06
Did you?
00:08:33.51\00:08:35.36
Because I saw the transformation
00:08:35.39\00:08:37.27
that happened
to my sister-in-law
00:08:37.28\00:08:39.12
years ago when she was here.
00:08:39.33\00:08:41.21
She was afflicted
with high cholesterol.
00:08:41.72\00:08:45.21
She got on the diet,
00:08:45.66\00:08:47.27
She lost about 35 pounds.
00:08:47.42\00:08:49.84
And your
cholesterol is high, right?
00:08:50.03\00:08:51.63
Yes. How many
points did it drop?
00:08:51.66\00:08:53.60
I'm within the norms now.
00:08:54.06\00:08:56.87
But the doctor told me if
I don't start smoking again
00:08:56.88\00:09:01.00
and if I stay on
the diet, I will never
00:09:01.06\00:09:02.75
have to worry
about a heart attack.
00:09:02.76\00:09:04.33
So you had high
cholesterol when you got here.
00:09:04.39\00:09:07.33
And now you're
within normal range.
00:09:07.36\00:09:09.84
Praise God.
00:09:10.39\00:09:11.81
Wow, what a story.
00:09:12.48\00:09:14.69
What a magnificent story.
00:09:14.87\00:09:16.42
It's a miracle, but...
00:09:16.43\00:09:17.69
It is a miracle.
00:09:17.78\00:09:19.30
Miracles
happened here every day.
00:09:19.75\00:09:21.45
I've seen a group
of people around me
00:09:21.48\00:09:23.81
with many miracles happen.
00:09:23.82\00:09:25.48
So it's amazing.
00:09:26.57\00:09:28.00
Now you have like 20-22
others with you in your group?
00:09:28.24\00:09:31.72
Yes.
00:09:31.73\00:09:32.78
And folks, we generally have
20 to 25 people per session.
00:09:32.87\00:09:38.18
You have a
little smaller session,
00:09:38.33\00:09:40.78
and either 20 or 25,
it's all the same with us.
00:09:42.03\00:09:45.57
We just put out our
hearts to everyone we can.
00:09:45.66\00:09:48.33
A lot of love
here. A lot of love.
00:09:48.84\00:09:51.15
Well Bill, I'm just blown away.
00:09:52.09\00:09:55.36
Pardon my expression, but
00:09:55.81\00:09:57.21
I'm very pleased
with the results,
00:09:57.42\00:10:00.87
and I just want
to praise God for
00:10:01.18\00:10:03.03
the many blessings
that He's given you.
00:10:03.48\00:10:05.60
He's given you your life back.
00:10:05.66\00:10:08.27
Thanks for joining us.
00:10:08.72\00:10:10.03
Thank you very
much for having me.
00:10:10.04\00:10:11.78
Alright. Well
friends, there you have it.
00:10:12.00\00:10:14.03
Don't go away,
because in a moment
00:10:14.21\00:10:16.03
we'll be talking to
Bill's physician, Doctor Lukens.
00:10:16.21\00:10:19.36
We'll be right back.
00:10:19.60\00:10:20.87
Well, you've done very well.
00:10:22.18\00:10:24.78
Do you have diabetes,
00:10:30.12\00:10:31.54
heart disease,
high blood pressure,
00:10:31.57\00:10:33.75
or do you weigh too much?
00:10:33.76\00:10:35.42
Hi, my name is Doctor Ing,
00:10:36.33\00:10:37.75
and I'd like to tell you about
00:10:37.76\00:10:39.60
our 18-day
NEWSTART lifestyle program.
00:10:39.61\00:10:41.84
It includes a
comprehensive medical evaluation
00:10:42.60\00:10:45.48
with laboratory studies
and an exercise stress test,
00:10:45.51\00:10:48.75
physician consultations,
00:10:49.06\00:10:51.21
culinary school,
00:10:51.72\00:10:52.87
and an opportunity to
walk on beautiful trails
00:10:53.42\00:10:57.24
in the foothills of the Sierras.
00:10:57.25\00:10:59.75
Your health is one of the most
important things that you have.
00:11:00.42\00:11:03.15
Don't wait.
00:11:03.27\00:11:04.30
Give us a call.
00:11:04.36\00:11:06.21
Or visit our website.
00:11:08.87\00:11:10.48
Welcome back
friends, and as I promised,
00:11:28.03\00:11:30.30
Doctor Lukens is
here with us today.
00:11:30.54\00:11:32.66
Doctor Lukens, how are you, sir?
00:11:32.69\00:11:34.39
Yeah, I'm really excited
about talking about this case,
00:11:34.45\00:11:36.75
because it's an amazing...
00:11:36.81\00:11:38.45
Well, you can't be any
more excited than I am.
00:11:38.72\00:11:40.51
I mean, this is over the
hill, over the top as they say.
00:11:40.84\00:11:44.03
I've seen these for
the last four years.
00:11:44.42\00:11:46.87
You've got to tell us,
how is this humanly possible?
00:11:46.88\00:11:50.81
Didn't Bill have diabetes
for some 10 or 12 years?
00:11:51.00\00:11:54.42
Actually it was 20.
00:11:54.75\00:11:56.12
Twenty years! Yeah.
00:11:56.18\00:11:57.72
And he's on insulin.
00:11:57.73\00:11:59.42
Well, what happened was that he
00:11:59.84\00:12:02.21
did the best he
could with the pills.
00:12:02.33\00:12:05.54
He had those, and
his last A1c was over 10.
00:12:05.55\00:12:10.27
What the audience
knows I don't know, but
00:12:10.60\00:12:13.21
6.5 is where
00:12:13.33\00:12:16.87
diabetes is
diagnosed, and we want it
00:12:17.27\00:12:19.72
between 7 and 8.
00:12:19.78\00:12:21.54
And that's not
real good control,
00:12:21.55\00:12:23.48
but his was 10.
00:12:23.57\00:12:25.03
So that means
that his body was...
00:12:25.24\00:12:27.84
his tissues were dying.
00:12:27.85\00:12:29.60
Now, he was 10
when he got here, right?
00:12:30.12\00:12:32.75
No, before he
came. Before he came.
00:12:33.03\00:12:34.81
And then? So then they...
00:12:35.36\00:12:37.12
Because it's a 3-month test.
00:12:37.36\00:12:39.03
A1c is a 3-month test.
00:12:39.24\00:12:41.27
So then his doctors
said, "You're just really...
00:12:41.66\00:12:44.06
You're out of control,
00:12:44.18\00:12:45.51
and you've got to add insulin."
00:12:46.12\00:12:47.24
Well nobody wants to
add insulin, you know?
00:12:47.27\00:12:49.12
After they do it for
a while they realize,
00:12:49.48\00:12:51.12
Well, this isn't the
worst thing in the world.
00:12:51.13\00:12:53.42
But it's tough, because
00:12:53.60\00:12:55.51
then when you have the insulin,
00:12:56.03\00:12:57.39
some of the diabetes medications
00:12:57.57\00:12:59.48
don't give you
those low blood sugars.
00:12:59.63\00:13:01.69
But you can range
between 500 and 50.
00:13:01.70\00:13:04.51
And they just
don't know what to do.
00:13:04.60\00:13:07.15
But what's so amazing,
and we've seen this before,
00:13:07.24\00:13:10.09
his problem primarily
00:13:11.06\00:13:13.45
was that he was
also an alcoholic.
00:13:14.00\00:13:15.84
And we've seen this before.
00:13:16.39\00:13:18.33
When an alcholic has
diabetes, they just don't mix.
00:13:18.48\00:13:23.87
So he was on 65 units
of the long-acting Lantus.
00:13:24.15\00:13:30.57
And then every
meal he was supposed
00:13:30.87\00:13:33.45
to take 9 of the
ultra short-acting
00:13:33.46\00:13:35.84
that goes with the meal.
00:13:36.21\00:13:37.33
This was a
really good setup to do.
00:13:37.34\00:13:39.42
But he just wasn't
able to control his sugars.
00:13:39.54\00:13:42.72
He would get
really low ones and then
00:13:43.00\00:13:44.63
he'd get discouraged
because they were so high,
00:13:44.64\00:13:46.42
and he'd feel lousy.
00:13:46.54\00:13:48.21
But the thing was is that,
00:13:48.33\00:13:50.12
he quit primarily
tobacco and alcohol.
00:13:50.30\00:13:55.06
And you have to do
those, and that's another story.
00:13:55.18\00:13:57.54
But you have to do
those at the same time.
00:13:57.75\00:13:59.87
We may have
talked about that before.
00:13:59.88\00:14:02.42
So he quits those,
00:14:02.78\00:14:04.27
and then his body starts
doing the best that it can
00:14:04.39\00:14:08.15
on these whole plant foods,
00:14:08.21\00:14:09.66
the exercise that he's doing,
00:14:09.78\00:14:11.66
and the liver is amazing.
00:14:11.81\00:14:13.51
It just regenerates so fast
00:14:13.66\00:14:15.54
if you give it a chance.
00:14:15.81\00:14:17.33
We've seen this before.
00:14:17.45\00:14:18.78
So here he's on
all this medication,
00:14:18.79\00:14:21.00
and about 24 hours later,
00:14:22.69\00:14:24.72
he was having low blood sugar.
00:14:24.75\00:14:26.72
So I said, Let's just
stop the insulin for now.
00:14:26.73\00:14:29.72
He was also on the
two, metformin and Actos.
00:14:30.24\00:14:34.69
And so, he was on all four
00:14:35.30\00:14:36.81
of those
medications at the same time.
00:14:36.82\00:14:39.12
And his blood sugar
had been better than
00:14:39.36\00:14:41.69
the 10.8 or whatever
it was that he came in on.
00:14:41.70\00:14:44.75
But he just
couldn't control the sugars.
00:14:44.84\00:14:47.33
They were just
all over the place.
00:14:47.45\00:14:48.84
So we have seen this before.
00:14:49.09\00:14:51.57
And so when he
stopped the alcohol
00:14:52.12\00:14:54.36
his liver started to
be able to function again,
00:14:54.37\00:14:56.72
and it was amazing.
Within just a few days,
00:14:57.06\00:14:59.57
he was off all of his insulin,
00:14:59.87\00:15:01.75
and then we started
taking him off the orals.
00:15:02.03\00:15:04.30
His blood
pressure was normal, so we
00:15:04.66\00:15:06.48
took him off two of the blood
pressure medications he was on.
00:15:06.51\00:15:11.06
And I said, I really want to
know what your actual true value
00:15:11.51\00:15:16.60
of your cholesterol is.
00:15:16.81\00:15:18.69
So let's take
you off your statin.
00:15:18.84\00:15:20.81
And so we just went down
through the list of things.
00:15:21.00\00:15:23.51
And finally he said,
"Let's just stop everything."
00:15:23.75\00:15:26.24
And I said, "Let's do it."
00:15:26.54\00:15:27.63
And you can tell he's thrilled.
00:15:28.03\00:15:30.87
What's thrilling is that
the numbers are normal now.
00:15:31.54\00:15:34.87
It's not thrilling just that
you got rid of your medications
00:15:35.63\00:15:38.78
and you're all out of
control and everything.
00:15:39.09\00:15:41.09
It's so good because God
blesses when you do His way.
00:15:41.54\00:15:46.63
And when he saw that,
00:15:46.84\00:15:48.78
he's a believer now.
00:15:49.33\00:15:50.63
So here's the question.
00:15:50.66\00:15:51.66
And I want the
viewers to hear this answer
00:15:51.67\00:15:55.36
and listen carefully.
00:15:55.48\00:15:56.87
We've got a good
question coming up.
00:15:57.00\00:15:58.51
I know there are several people,
00:15:58.66\00:16:00.84
perhaps
thousands, millions, watching
00:16:00.85\00:16:03.39
that have the same
conditions as Bill.
00:16:03.63\00:16:07.00
Are you telling us
that they too have hope?
00:16:07.30\00:16:11.27
Absolutely.
00:16:11.84\00:16:13.63
And a normal diabetic,
without all the substance abuses
00:16:14.18\00:16:19.63
thrown in, can do well.
00:16:20.00\00:16:22.48
It takes a little
longer, but when you
00:16:23.12\00:16:25.27
have the mix of the
alcohol in there just
00:16:25.28\00:16:27.63
irritating the liver and
keeping it from doing its work,
00:16:27.81\00:16:30.69
that's the kicker.
00:16:30.75\00:16:33.18
And we've seen that
over and over again.
00:16:33.54\00:16:35.84
And perhaps that's
why I changed so rapidly,
00:16:36.24\00:16:40.12
because I was
alcoholic when I came here.
00:16:40.13\00:16:42.45
But I know
there's people watching
00:16:42.81\00:16:44.63
that are drinking alcohol.
00:16:44.64\00:16:46.03
Perhaps you're
tossing a beer right now,
00:16:46.27\00:16:48.45
smoking a cigarette,
00:16:48.57\00:16:50.24
and giving up
because you have diabetes.
00:16:50.25\00:16:52.54
You think you're
going to die soon.
00:16:52.55\00:16:54.03
Well here is a case
00:16:54.21\00:16:56.18
where there's hope.
You don't have to give up.
00:16:56.24\00:16:58.66
We can help you here
at our NEWSTART program.
00:16:59.03\00:17:02.15
Especially Doctor Lukens.
00:17:02.24\00:17:03.87
The kidneys are
suffering from this
00:17:04.06\00:17:06.48
because of his
lifestyle and everything.
00:17:06.49\00:17:10.60
I don't know what all.
00:17:10.61\00:17:11.72
He also had a couple of strokes.
00:17:11.81\00:17:15.42
He didn't mention those, but...
00:17:15.87\00:17:17.42
Well, he did have those,
00:17:17.43\00:17:18.66
and that could have
been substance abuse.
00:17:18.81\00:17:21.15
He got them from that.
00:17:21.39\00:17:22.72
Fortunately, he didn't
have residuas from that.
00:17:22.73\00:17:25.27
So here's somebody,
00:17:25.28\00:17:26.66
and he said that
he had a tough life.
00:17:26.72\00:17:29.21
And we wouldn't go
into all that stuff.
00:17:29.36\00:17:31.27
Maybe at another time we could.
00:17:31.28\00:17:33.00
He just came here discouraged,
00:17:33.51\00:17:36.54
but what gave him hope was
that he saw his sister-in-law
00:17:36.55\00:17:40.39
do so well, and he thought,
00:17:40.81\00:17:42.48
"Maybe it would help me too."
00:17:42.69\00:17:45.30
And he was just...
00:17:45.63\00:17:47.69
There's one thing
that I have to say, though.
00:17:48.03\00:17:50.27
Americans are too
focused on weight loss.
00:17:50.45\00:17:53.78
He just kept coming to me,
00:17:54.06\00:17:55.39
"Doc, I'm not
losing that weight."
00:17:55.42\00:17:58.24
He's not grossly obese,
00:17:58.36\00:18:00.24
but he has this idea.
00:18:00.27\00:18:02.33
But he was out there.
He would do up to 10 miles,
00:18:02.45\00:18:05.39
walking. He hadn't done that.
00:18:05.51\00:18:08.36
A lot of walking,
building up that muscle,
00:18:08.75\00:18:11.54
getting the
sugars down into control.
00:18:11.84\00:18:14.87
What was so good is that
now, when he leaves he has hope.
00:18:15.75\00:18:19.57
He's got
determination, and he knows that
00:18:20.39\00:18:23.60
What his job was is
crawling in and around
00:18:24.00\00:18:26.75
doing alarms, security systems.
00:18:26.76\00:18:31.30
And he said, "I
got to the place where,
00:18:31.57\00:18:33.39
here my gut is.
It's sticking out there.
00:18:33.60\00:18:35.84
And I haven't got the energy.
00:18:36.06\00:18:37.54
I've got to crawl
through all these places."
00:18:37.66\00:18:40.42
"And one day," he
said, "I just gave up."
00:18:40.57\00:18:43.18
He said, "I don't think
00:18:43.19\00:18:44.21
that I'm going to
be able to do this."
00:18:44.22\00:18:45.75
Because sometimes he'd
come to work and he was drunk.
00:18:45.87\00:18:50.18
He was losing it.
00:18:50.45\00:18:51.66
Now we follow
him, and he knows that
00:18:51.87\00:18:53.63
we're going to
ask him to come back.
00:18:53.64\00:18:55.36
And he's thrilled
and we're thrilled.
00:18:55.54\00:18:58.57
We're happy to
pass that news on.
00:18:58.81\00:19:00.57
I have to
apologize to the viewers.
00:19:00.58\00:19:02.72
I did say before
Doctor Lukens came on
00:19:02.73\00:19:06.54
that we were going to
have our next meeting with Bill
00:19:07.09\00:19:10.03
four months down the road.
00:19:10.12\00:19:11.39
We may still have that,
00:19:11.48\00:19:13.03
but instead of that
being a part of this program,
00:19:13.15\00:19:16.42
we decided to bring
Doctor Lukens in, because
00:19:16.57\00:19:19.60
there's such a
miracle that has taken place.
00:19:19.78\00:19:22.27
We wanted your
opinion, if you will,
00:19:22.45\00:19:25.39
to tell us how
these things happen.
00:19:25.51\00:19:27.84
and to once
again give people hope
00:19:28.27\00:19:31.36
that they too can get well.
00:19:31.45\00:19:33.15
Yes, and you see, this
substance abuse didn't start
00:19:34.03\00:19:38.39
when he was 30
years old or whatever.
00:19:38.45\00:19:42.18
It was through the years,
and he did have a tough life.
00:19:42.66\00:19:45.66
And sometimes when you're out
00:19:46.03\00:19:47.39
with your buddies
and stuff like that,
00:19:47.40\00:19:49.21
you try a few things.
00:19:49.60\00:19:51.06
And a lot of
people in his age group
00:19:51.07\00:19:53.33
try different stuff. But
then he got hooked on it.
00:19:53.63\00:19:56.00
And then leaving
some of that off,
00:19:56.51\00:19:58.72
then you get the legal ones.
00:19:59.27\00:20:00.69
And he was knocking
down a lot of alcohol.
00:20:01.03\00:20:04.15
It was amazing that his body
could take as much as he did.
00:20:04.51\00:20:07.75
And then he was smoking.
00:20:08.12\00:20:09.63
Like we said, you have to stop
both of those at the same time.
00:20:10.12\00:20:13.12
Now he has hope and he
knows that this can happen.
00:20:14.75\00:20:19.12
He's shared with us
that he's enjoyed the food,
00:20:19.51\00:20:22.12
he's enjoyed the stay,
00:20:22.30\00:20:23.57
but he put a lot of emphasis
00:20:23.58\00:20:25.45
on the doctors here
at the NEWSTART program.
00:20:25.75\00:20:28.45
And I know you as a humble man,
00:20:28.60\00:20:30.72
and you don't want
to take any credit,
00:20:30.84\00:20:33.00
but he did salute
you on this occasion.
00:20:33.18\00:20:37.09
He's so happy to have met you
00:20:37.39\00:20:40.81
and the NEWSTART program,
00:20:40.82\00:20:42.54
and all assistants and the
love that he received here.
00:20:43.09\00:20:45.84
We have those
eight natural doctors,
00:20:46.03\00:20:48.33
and you know how
powerful they are,
00:20:48.34\00:20:50.33
because they did it to you,
00:20:50.34\00:20:51.63
for you, and with you!
00:20:51.64\00:20:53.66
So there you
go. It's tremendous.
00:20:53.84\00:20:56.42
Well, I couldn't agree more.
00:20:56.87\00:20:59.30
To me, the doctors
here are wonderful.
00:20:59.54\00:21:03.87
And especially you.
00:21:04.33\00:21:06.06
You're not only my
doctor now; you're my friend.
00:21:06.15\00:21:09.33
Well I'm excited for him.
00:21:09.36\00:21:10.39
Yeah, I'm
excited for you and him!
00:21:10.69\00:21:13.45
And I'm excited for the viewers,
00:21:13.69\00:21:15.51
because I know some of
you have just given up hope.
00:21:15.52\00:21:18.75
Don't give up.
00:21:18.87\00:21:20.00
Don't give up!
00:21:20.12\00:21:21.18
Give us a call.
00:21:21.33\00:21:22.39
And don't go away, by the way.
00:21:22.63\00:21:24.00
We'll be right
back with a message.
00:21:24.01\00:21:26.36
Hello and welcome
to NEWSTART at Home.
00:21:40.33\00:21:41.75
I'm your host, Don Mackintosh.
00:21:41.76\00:21:43.12
We're glad you're with us today.
00:21:43.13\00:21:44.36
and I'm glad that
Rich Kollenberg is
00:21:44.48\00:21:46.12
in the studio
with us. Welcome Rich.
00:21:46.13\00:21:47.39
Hi Don.
00:21:47.57\00:21:48.57
Now you're here... What
are you here to talk about?
00:21:48.58\00:21:50.60
I'm here to talk
about addictions.
00:21:50.78\00:21:52.24
And you have some experience.
00:21:52.36\00:21:54.03
I have a little experience.
00:21:54.15\00:21:56.06
I was an addict for
about 25 years of my life.
00:21:56.07\00:21:59.69
I used and abused
just about every kind of
00:21:59.78\00:22:01.75
drug or
substance that there was.
00:22:02.06\00:22:03.81
Okay. Well, all things
work together for good.
00:22:03.82\00:22:07.21
In other words,
the Lord can use that.
00:22:07.24\00:22:08.36
I'm glad you're willing
to come and talk about it.
00:22:08.37\00:22:10.09
And I'm glad you're still alive,
00:22:10.18\00:22:11.57
because a lot of people
that get into addictions,
00:22:11.69\00:22:13.63
they don't make it.
00:22:13.66\00:22:14.72
So I'm glad you're here.
00:22:15.09\00:22:16.24
What is an addiction?
00:22:16.25\00:22:17.69
An addiction is a habit
00:22:17.81\00:22:20.87
that controls you.
00:22:21.09\00:22:22.42
That you don't
control, but it controls you.
00:22:22.45\00:22:25.00
When we were talking, you said
there's two types of addictions.
00:22:25.39\00:22:28.60
Yeah, there's
two different types.
00:22:29.15\00:22:30.15
There's substance
addiction, which would be
00:22:30.18\00:22:32.60
drugs, alcohol,
coffee, cigarettes.
00:22:33.03\00:22:37.03
And then there's
behavioral addictions.
00:22:37.18\00:22:38.78
And behavioral
addictions would fall...
00:22:38.79\00:22:40.81
You would have jealousy,
00:22:40.82\00:22:42.12
anger, sexual addictions,
gambling, and whatnot.
00:22:42.45\00:22:46.24
Critical type spirit, gossiping,
and all those other things.
00:22:46.63\00:22:50.51
Yes, all those type of things
are behavioral addictions.
00:22:50.52\00:22:52.33
So, behavioral addictions
and substance addictions.
00:22:52.63\00:22:56.69
And you struggled
with both of those.
00:22:56.70\00:22:57.72
Very much so.
00:22:57.84\00:22:59.30
They probably go
together a little bit.
00:22:59.31\00:23:00.30
They go hand in hand.
00:23:00.31\00:23:01.30
And so, how does that happen?
00:23:01.42\00:23:03.03
A habit to me, as I would
think, sounds like a good thing.
00:23:03.06\00:23:06.33
Yeah, habits are our friends,
00:23:06.78\00:23:08.24
but when they turn bad
they become addictions.
00:23:08.27\00:23:10.78
What we end up
doing is we end up
00:23:11.12\00:23:13.36
following and wanting pleasure
00:23:13.37\00:23:15.72
more than thinking long-term.
00:23:15.87\00:23:17.51
And when we
desire that pleasure,
00:23:17.63\00:23:19.45
that can turn into an addiction,
00:23:19.66\00:23:22.42
and we don't
think long-term anymore.
00:23:22.60\00:23:24.75
We end up giving ourselves over
00:23:25.27\00:23:27.21
to that pleasure,
whatever it may be.
00:23:27.22\00:23:29.45
Whatever satisfaction
we get out of gossip,
00:23:29.51\00:23:31.81
whatever satisfaction
we get out of a drug,
00:23:32.09\00:23:34.33
or whatever, we give
ourselves over to that.
00:23:34.57\00:23:36.60
In fact, the
Bible speaks of that
00:23:36.72\00:23:38.63
exact same phrase
when it talks about
00:23:38.64\00:23:40.66
the behavioral addictions
of Sodom and Gomorrah.
00:23:40.75\00:23:43.36
In Jude 1:7 it says,
00:23:43.45\00:23:45.24
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah,
00:23:45.36\00:23:46.84
and the cities
about them in like manner,
00:23:46.85\00:23:49.09
giving themselves over
00:23:49.21\00:23:51.24
to fornication, and
going after strange flesh,
00:23:51.25\00:23:53.81
are set forth as an example,
00:23:54.09\00:23:56.30
suffering the
vengeance of eternal fire."
00:23:56.31\00:23:58.45
So we can see the
Bible actually talks about
00:23:58.54\00:24:00.60
how they in Sodom and Gomorrah
00:24:00.75\00:24:02.36
gave themselves over
to this bad behavior.
00:24:02.37\00:24:05.12
Is it a one-way street?
00:24:05.36\00:24:06.57
So you give
yourself over, that's it?
00:24:06.58\00:24:08.51
That's not it.
Praise the Lord for that.
00:24:08.72\00:24:11.45
I can remember back...
00:24:11.72\00:24:13.54
I think I'd used about
everybody up on the planet.
00:24:13.66\00:24:16.15
I was all alone.
00:24:16.27\00:24:17.39
It was back in
1986, and I was all done.
00:24:17.40\00:24:21.51
My girlfriend
wouldn't even see me anymore.
00:24:21.66\00:24:24.45
And I can
remember lying facedown
00:24:24.54\00:24:26.78
on my bed, crying out to God,
00:24:27.03\00:24:29.06
"God, help me."
00:24:29.07\00:24:30.12
And He said, "Fourty-one
years, your way hasn't worked."
00:24:30.13\00:24:33.54
And so He said, "It's
time to try it My way."
00:24:33.63\00:24:36.51
And so I cried out
to Him, and He said that
00:24:36.69\00:24:41.78
this is going to work.
00:24:42.00\00:24:43.00
And I didn't know
how it was going to work.
00:24:43.01\00:24:44.48
So it was like a
3-word prayer, huh?
00:24:44.60\00:24:46.18
Yeah. God helped me.
00:24:46.33\00:24:47.39
For three months I
prayed that 3-word prayer.
00:24:47.57\00:24:49.78
God helped me, and
He answered that prayer.
00:24:50.21\00:24:52.30
So that was really
your way of giving yourself
00:24:52.54\00:24:55.18
over to something else?
00:24:55.45\00:24:56.48
Exactly. We
can't muster up enough
00:24:56.49\00:24:58.75
ego motivation to make it work.
00:24:58.76\00:25:01.36
We have to give ourselves over
to something or Someone else.
00:25:01.51\00:25:04.78
I like your little book
that you've written here,
00:25:04.87\00:25:07.15
"Clean 7 Steps to Freedom:
What Every Addict Needs."
00:25:07.24\00:25:11.69
It's got a picture
there of the ladder going up.
00:25:11.84\00:25:14.87
Out of the way you are,
00:25:15.15\00:25:16.21
you gave yourself
over to something,
00:25:16.22\00:25:17.72
kind of like the prodigal son.
00:25:18.00\00:25:19.51
"This is what I want,
00:25:19.63\00:25:21.45
I want my inheritance,
I want this, I want that."
00:25:21.54\00:25:24.15
And then he changed.
00:25:24.54\00:25:26.03
He says, "Make me
one of your servants."
00:25:26.04\00:25:27.57
You kind of had that moment.
00:25:27.60\00:25:28.66
That's right, that's right.
00:25:28.67\00:25:30.78
And it worked out.
God put it in my heart
00:25:31.06\00:25:33.75
that I was going
to turn 180 degrees.
00:25:33.84\00:25:36.09
And I didn't know. That
was my nickname for a while.
00:25:36.10\00:25:38.18
My family called
me 180 for a while,
00:25:38.33\00:25:40.63
because everything changes.
00:25:40.75\00:25:42.27
Everything I'd done in my
life up to that point was wrong.
00:25:42.39\00:25:45.24
So that's the big first step.
00:25:45.69\00:25:47.39
If you were talking to
someone about a first step,
00:25:47.40\00:25:49.75
it's coming to that point
00:25:49.76\00:25:51.00
of saying, "I gave
myself over to this, but
00:25:51.36\00:25:54.24
I can give myself
over to something else."
00:25:54.48\00:25:56.09
Yeah,
acknowledging and admitting
00:25:56.45\00:25:58.54
that you've got a problem.
00:25:58.55\00:26:00.18
Well, I encourage you.
00:26:00.69\00:26:02.36
You've been watching
today NEWSTART at Home.
00:26:02.37\00:26:05.30
Get this book.
Go to our website,
00:26:06.42\00:26:08.36
and get a copy of this book
by just following the links.
00:26:11.48\00:26:14.27
It's got some real
practical help in here.
00:26:14.36\00:26:16.42
I want to thank
you again for coming,
00:26:16.43\00:26:17.63
being vulnerable and
opening up your life here to us.
00:26:17.66\00:26:20.03
My pleasure.
00:26:20.27\00:26:21.27
And you know, what doesn't beat
us makes us stronger sometimes.
00:26:21.30\00:26:24.27
You're able to
help people as a result.
00:26:24.39\00:26:26.27
And so will you.
00:26:27.06\00:26:28.18
We're glad you've joined us,
00:26:28.19\00:26:29.30
and we hope that as a
result of watching today
00:26:29.31\00:26:31.12
NEWSTART at Home, you will have
00:26:31.51\00:26:33.12
a new start at home
or wherever you are,
00:26:33.13\00:26:35.06
and your life will turn around.
00:26:35.39\00:26:37.18
You could be on
this program someday,
00:26:37.19\00:26:39.03
or be used by
God wherever you are.
00:26:39.15\00:26:41.54
Thank you for joining us.
00:26:41.55\00:26:43.09
Hi. I hope you've
enjoyed as much as I have
00:26:50.87\00:26:53.42
this edition of NEWSTART Now.
00:26:53.43\00:26:55.15
I'm Jim Brackett,
executive vice-president
00:26:55.33\00:26:57.69
here at the Weimar Center.
00:26:57.70\00:26:59.24
I want to take just a moment
to give you an idea of some
00:26:59.48\00:27:01.81
of the wonderful resources
we have here at the bookstore,
00:27:01.82\00:27:04.21
such as Doctor Nedley's
book called Proof Positive.
00:27:04.69\00:27:07.03
Now, in addition to
Doctor Nedley's book,
00:27:07.81\00:27:09.69
he has a series on
depression recovery.
00:27:09.78\00:27:11.84
We have the NEWSTART
lifestyle series on DVD
00:27:12.09\00:27:15.27
by our NEWSTART physicians,
00:27:15.45\00:27:17.15
relating to
topics like diabetes,
00:27:17.27\00:27:19.24
heart disease, cancer.
00:27:19.25\00:27:20.48
We have a number of
authors who have cookbooks here,
00:27:20.84\00:27:23.78
including some in the raw field.
00:27:24.06\00:27:25.78
Now we'd love
to have you stop by
00:27:26.24\00:27:27.66
and visit us for your shopping,
00:27:27.67\00:27:29.06
but you can do it online.
00:27:29.09\00:27:30.27
Click the link
that says Bookstore.
00:27:32.42\00:27:34.09
Or use our 800 number.
00:27:34.27\00:27:35.84
And by the way,
00:27:39.18\00:27:40.24
any time your
order is $100 or more,
00:27:40.36\00:27:42.81
we'll see that you get free
00:27:43.18\00:27:45.06
the NEWSTART lifestyle cookbook.
00:27:45.36\00:27:48.18
Well friends,
that's it for today.
00:27:50.87\00:27:52.69
Thank you for joining us.
00:27:52.72\00:27:54.45
Pick up that phone and call us.
00:27:54.81\00:27:56.39
We'll see you next week.
00:28:00.78\00:28:02.69
In the meantime, God bless you.
00:28:02.70\00:28:05.57