Participants: Ron Gianonni (Host), Paul Harp
Series Code: NSN
Program Code: NSN000032
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00:23 Hi Folks, welcome to another edition of NEWSTART Now,
00:27 you know, we've been 00:29 televising this program for some time 00:32 and we always have a good story, 00:34 and today we have a good story, however 00:38 some of these stories don't turn out just as we would like. 00:43 In our studio today we have Paul Harp, 00:46 which we'll be chatting with in a little bit, 00:50 but I'd like you to see when Paul arrived. 00:54 Five or six years ago, I came down with cancer. 00:59 And my wife and I found out about this place, 01:03 and we came down to it. 01:06 And by the time I left here, 01:08 after experiencing their 01:09 lifestyle change and everything like that, 01:12 that my cancer was in remission. 01:15 So we were quite happy about that, 01:17 but unfortunately I got cancer back again, 01:20 in a different location, 01:22 and we are down here again to see if 01:24 we can get it back in remission again. 01:26 Well what I want to do this time is 01:28 make sure that I stay with the program. 01:31 Once you slide off, you never seem to get back, 01:35 and it's a healthy lifestyle, it's good for you. 01:41 If I could just. . . 01:43 well what I'm facing right now is my life, 01:46 and if I don't stick with the program, 01:49 I've probably got only about a 01:51 year and a half to two years left. 01:54 And I think this program will do it for me, 01:56 will give me an extension of life to some extent. 02:01 Welcome back folks, and in our studio we have Paul Harp 02:05 How are you Paul? 02:06 - Hi, thank you, good to see you again. 02:08 Good to see you, and, 02:10 you know as I said to our viewers a moment ago, sometimes 02:14 we have success stories, 02:16 which you had when you first arrived here, 02:19 at the NEWSTART program. 02:22 But I want people to really understand 02:25 what this program is all about. 02:27 When you first came here, you had great results, 02:31 cancer went into remission, 02:33 Is that correct? Correct. 02:34 And then you said in our first 02:36 interview that you slipped off the program, 02:40 and that happened gradually. 02:42 Would you tell us how that happened, how you 02:45 just all of a sudden decided that you weren't 02:47 going to stay on that program? 02:51 I guess it's like eating a candy bar and ice cream cone, 02:55 you just, well I'm going to have a nibble, 02:57 you know, a nibble is not going to hurt me. 02:59 And then pretty soon you know the whole thing is gone, 03:01 and then you go for another one, and another one 03:04 It's kind of like backsliding 03:06 and this is what happened to me. 03:10 I blame it on myself, 03:13 for not really staying with the program, 03:15 because I really believe in the program 03:17 you know, that it does good, 03:18 and it will help an awful lot of people, 03:20 has helped an awful lot of people. 03:22 Now, what I want you to walk 03:24 away with tomorrow when you leave, 03:27 is that there is still hope, there is that hope, 03:31 that this can go into remission, 03:34 your going to have to hit it maybe a little longer, 03:37 than you did the first time, but let's address this slippage. 03:42 What I know from my experience, as you know 03:45 I've been through the program myself 4 years ago 03:48 is that if you take a little bit of sugar, 03:51 those sugar cells open up 03:54 and they say I'm hungry 03:57 I want more sugar, I want a candy bar 03:59 or whatever it is, right? - Yes. 04:02 As well as fat. 04:04 You take that little fat, and say, 04:06 Well I think I'll slip a little bit 04:08 have a little. . . maybe on my salad I'll have a some dressing 04:12 and that fat gets in there, 04:13 and all of a sudden you have a little 04:15 garlic bread with butter, and the fat gets in your system 04:19 those fat cells now open up 04:22 and they want to be fed. 04:24 So my advice for everyone who's watching, 04:29 if you've changed your 04:32 diet, your living a new lifestyle, 04:34 if you've come through 04:36 NEWSTART, or many other programs throughout the country 04:40 perhaps in a different country, 04:41 stick to that program, 04:43 stick to that lifestyle, because if you slip 04:47 you will open up thos cells, 04:49 you will create a desire for more of the same. 04:54 So that being said, 04:56 you know, before the interview started, I recommended 05:00 some ideas that will increase that hope 05:05 because 05:07 perhaps you need a little guidance 05:09 at this point, and I know Dr Lukins 05:12 that's your doctor right? - Yes. 05:13 Dr. Lukens will be with us in a little while 05:16 but he's going to be doing some followup with you, 05:21 and giving some advice, etc. 05:23 But tell us, tell the viewers if you would, 05:25 what are you going to do now? 05:28 Well, Dr. Lukens has already 05:30 told me to go back and make contact 05:34 with my doctors back where I live back in Washington State, 05:38 and continue with the program that 05:40 they had me on before I came down here, 05:43 but Dr. Lukens is also 05:45 investigating other avenues of treatment 05:49 That one of his relatives 05:52 that is in the cancer field 05:54 and he will be working with the 05:56 doctors up there as well as myself. 06:00 I think that is great, you know, 06:02 we got new ideas coming in from other areas 06:06 other than that one town I come from in Washington. 06:10 Now we did talk about a book, 06:13 The China Study. 06:15 And I've advised you to go ahead 06:18 and purchase that book we have it at our store. 06:20 And as I recall the China Study gave me 06:24 a lot of hope about various things that I was dealing with 06:27 and they have 06:29 quite a bit of information, 06:31 the latest, the greatest research 06:34 than has been done in a long time. 06:37 And in there, as I recall, there's a bit of information 06:41 about cancers and how to stop that cancer growth. 06:46 So I hope that you get that. 06:48 I will, I definitely will. 06:51 You know, you think when you were 06:53 younger that 69 was old, when your 69 06:56 you think 79 is old! 06:58 And you know, you keep prolonging what you have. 07:04 Our children are grown, they have lives of their own. 07:07 Just me and my wife, and we're enjoying life, 07:09 you know, as a single couple again. 07:12 And your are building a home in Woodby Island. . . 07:14 Yes, it's in the process right now of being built, 07:18 And yes, we have a lot of things to look forward to 07:22 that I would like to yet see come to fruition. 07:24 My wife doesn't want me to go this soon I don't think, 07:29 But no, yes life still looks good, it does, 07:31 it really looks good. 07:33 Good you got a good attitude, I mean for an old man 07:36 your 69 right? 07:38 Yes, yes, if I was as old as you, 07:40 I don't know if I'd be that good or not. 07:41 I'm going to be 69 in five month, so. . . 07:44 Oh I thought you said you were 69 five months ago! 07:46 Next March. 07:47 Oh next March, you young whippersnapper! 07:52 We can joke about that. 07:54 Well you know my prayer is that 07:58 the Lord bless you with the wisdom 08:01 to make the choices that are going to be 08:03 necessary for you in the next few years. 08:06 I still see you know you're vibrant, 08:08 your energy is high 08:10 I see more energy in you than when we first met. 08:14 You know, I feel a lot better than when we first met. 08:16 You know, let's talk about that just briefly, 08:18 because we don't have a lot of time but, 08:20 I know you came here, and your 08:22 energy was a little bit down per say 08:25 maybe your attitude wasn't quite as good 08:28 suffering from some depression. 08:30 Do you have any other ailments that 08:34 you have been dealing with as well? 08:37 Ailments no, actually I've been 08:40 fairly healthy my whole life. 08:42 But I have, 08:44 I'm a sugar nut. 08:47 I love ice cream, I love ice cream. 08:50 And when I was starting to get sick this last time, 08:54 my lunch would be a half a gallon of ice cream, 08:56 my supper would be another half gallon of ice cream. 08:59 Food? I had no taste for food whatsoever, 09:01 you know, wholesome food. 09:03 It had to be cookies, sweets, ice cream, 09:06 and that's what I subsided on for about 4 months. 09:09 And do you think there is a direct correlation with the, 09:15 cancer that came back, and the sugar that you ate? 09:19 From what I learned here, yes, yes. 09:22 I knew the answer to that, 09:24 I wanted to see what you would say, because 09:27 you know, our viewers need to hear these things 09:29 every week we come on here, three times a week, 09:33 and we say, This is great, 09:34 That's great, and all these wonderful stories. 09:37 Once in a while we'll have a story, 09:39 and by the way, this is the first one I've heard in a while, 09:42 but that being said, 09:46 I'll keep in my prayers, 09:47 I know your going to do good. 09:49 We're going to try. 09:50 And thank you for joining us on the set. 09:53 I'm glad to be here. 09:54 God bless you. 09:56 Thank you. 09:57 Well folks, that's it for today 09:59 again, we don't always have a positive end result, 10:05 but in someway there's a message to 10:07 one of you that may learn something. 10:09 Don't go away, we'll be right back. 10:13 Well, you've done very well. 10:21 Do you have diabetes, 10:22 heart disease, high blood pressure, 10:25 or do you weigh too much? 10:27 Hi, my name is Dr. Ing, and I'd like to tell you 10:30 about our 18 day NEWSTART lifestyle program. 10:33 It includes a comprehensive medical 10:35 evaluation with laboratories and a 10:38 exercise stress test, 10:40 physician consultations 10:42 culinary school 10:44 and an opportunity to walk on beautiful 10:46 foot trails in the foothills of the Sierras. 10:51 Your health is one of the most 10:52 important things that you have, don't wait 10:55 Give us a call at 11:00 Or visit our website at 11:19 Welcome back friends, 11:20 as I promised we're going to have 11:23 Dr. Lukens here in just one moment, 11:25 but I want to emphasize, you know sometimes 11:28 we have people through the program, 11:31 and this is one of those times where 11:33 maybe you can be inspired by his testimony, 11:37 perhaps that will help many of you. 11:40 So God bless you, and let's procede with meeting Dr. Lukens, 11:45 How are you Doc? 11:46 Thank you, thank you, very much. 11:48 As I always say, it's a pleasure to have you here. 11:50 You know Doctor, I have to say 11:55 during this interview I was humbled quite a bit because, 11:59 so many times we see people come here and they get well. 12:02 And again I'm one of those people. 12:06 But when I see someone who is struggling, 12:10 that is hurting deeply, 12:13 my heart goes out to them, and what do we do Doc? 12:17 Tell us what we do. 12:19 Well, as always, point them to the Great Physician. 12:24 because so often when we mess up, or when we 12:29 fall back, when we do something, slide back 12:33 as we say sometimes. 12:35 And that. . . 12:36 it just kind of takes the edge off of life. 12:41 And we think that we are going to be able to do it ourselves, 12:46 and we go through with great expectations, but 12:50 Christ the Divine Physician, 12:54 He knows that we are weak. 12:56 We just have to keep 12:58 reassuring them that He knew that, 13:01 He knew more about them than they knew about themselves, 13:04 and He's still there, and He's still 13:07 helping them with whatever is going on. 13:10 And this isn't an uncommon problem. 13:13 Yes, it's one that I've dealt with in the past, 13:16 but the first one that we are showing our viewers. 13:21 And you know, I never feel 13:23 good about these, but I do realize 13:26 that someone's being blessed by watching this, 13:32 the ones who have slid. 13:34 Now before the interview, we chatted, Paul and I, 13:38 And he said, for four months I lived on ice cream, 13:42 cookies, cake, and candies. 13:45 And I said, Is that what attributed 13:48 to the sliding, the recurrence of the cancer? 13:51 He believes so, could you elaborate a little on that? 13:56 Well you know, 13:58 I'm working with some people 14:00 that I'm playing basketball with, 14:03 and one guy has cancer. 14:07 And I talked. . . there's a physician there as well, 14:11 he does it all, a family practice primary care, 14:15 And I ask him, I said, you know, 14:19 Don't you think we should have 14:21 this person on a really good dietary? 14:24 And he looked at me and said, 14:26 Do you think that diet really makes a difference in cancer? 14:30 I'm thinking, Oh dear! 14:33 And his wife is into stuff like this too. 14:37 With Paul's situation, 14:39 and with so many people, 14:42 it's just like the smoker, 14:44 he takes a cigarette, and he takes another one, 14:47 and he's up to two or three packs a day, 14:49 and nothing seems to be happening. 14:52 It's the same way with cancer, you know. 14:55 You say, Well, I did that, and now 14:57 our mind kind of plays tricks on us, we rationalize, 15:01 because the appetite is really really strong. 15:03 Christ had to go the point of death 15:06 to give us that victory, we can't do it on our own. 15:10 So anyway it comes up, where 15:13 four months down, eight months down, 15:15 a year later and so forth, you just start thinking 15:20 I must be well, 15:23 I just don't think I'll do this anymore, or whatever, 15:25 and the adversary just keeps coming in there 15:28 and that's his deal you see. 15:31 So it's just, Oh it doesn't matter, 15:33 and then when you do 15:34 mess up, and he says, hahaha 15:37 see, and like one book says, 15:40 our promises that we make to ourselves 15:42 and to others are like ropes of sand. 15:46 You know, 15:49 I believe that everything you say is true, 15:51 but I also believe that 15:53 the Lord is watching those of us. 15:56 And when we slip, I know when I slip, and I have 16:00 I told you that today, 16:02 on some of these treats that I like to give myself 16:05 because I say, Well 16:07 yes, I know that I'm rid of the diabetes 16:10 I have no more high blood pressure, 16:12 and I'm off all these different medications, 16:14 maybe an apple fritter will be fine, 16:17 And you said to me today, you said 16:20 You mean the one that is deep fried in grease, 16:23 the one they roll in sugar? 16:25 And I said, yes that's the one! 16:28 And you know, it is so hard 16:32 for a lot of us to stay away from these things. 16:35 What can we do Doc to really watch it? 16:37 Well, one of the things is that it's found that 16:39 if a person does something like that every three months, 16:43 they look forward to it 16:44 and they do it, and then they just 16:46 get right back off of it, 16:48 and then go back on the program again. 16:50 That isn't the problem. 16:53 It's when the person, 16:54 their tempted and then they do it, 16:57 and like I said they're doing it on their own. 17:01 And they continue to do it over and over. 17:03 Well because it weakens their resolve, 17:06 it weakens their will 17:07 to continue on. 17:09 But I'd like to go back to the cancer thing, 17:12 When I see somebody 17:14 that's had surgery or radiation or whatever, 17:17 and maybe it's two years out, maybe it's five years out, 17:19 and they said now your a cure. 17:21 To me that's a death nail to a cancer patient. 17:25 You say, What? Isn't that wonderful news? 17:27 No it isn't, 17:29 because those cancer cells are still there, 17:32 and the fact that they were 17:33 able to get cancer to begin with, 17:36 shows that their body, they have the genetic makeup 17:39 so their body is susceptible to cancer. 17:42 And so I try to tell the patients, 17:44 You don't have a lot of different chances here. 17:48 Now if your cholesterol goes up and down, 17:50 your sugar goes up and down, 17:52 but when you make a commitment with cancer 17:54 you have to make a commitment 17:56 like on of my patients told me he did 17:59 I don't think that he was even religious, I think he 18:02 or he was even a believer, 18:05 but he said, I promised myself 18:08 that for the rest of my life, I would never 18:11 allow one particle of animal product 18:14 to pass my lips again. 18:16 My wife has done that, she's been vegan for 12 years 18:19 and her health, she had arthritic 18:21 things and she didn't even know it 18:23 and the inflammation in her lungs 18:24 that she would have to go on antibiotics 18:26 all the time when she got just a common cold. 18:29 She hasn't had to do that now, for all these years. 18:32 And so it's better, like the Lord says 18:35 What I'm doing for you is better 18:37 than you can possibly even imagine. 18:39 But coming back to this other, 18:41 I've had people that 18:44 10 years out, 12 years out, 25 years out, 18:48 they keep, you know it's just like 18:50 well it must be over this time, 18:52 and they go back to it, 18:54 and then the cancer comes back again. 18:57 But of course, 18:59 this is something that a person has to recommit to. 19:03 Well, what I hear you saying is that just as in diabetes 19:08 just because the cancer is in remission 19:12 perhaps your are more susceptible than others 19:15 for a recurrence if you slip back into those old habits. 19:19 Well, your cancer patients 19:21 are always susceptible to that, 19:24 so with the cancer patients, they don't have those time outs 19:28 And I think we talked about one 19:30 of my patients the other day in one of the interviews. 19:34 And his wife made him go back on the program, 19:38 he said because their youngest, when he came here 19:41 to the cancer program, 19:42 their youngest was two years old, 19:44 and now she's going on 14, you see, 19:47 And his cancer, little bits of it, 19:49 here and there, kept recurring 19:51 and he would just say, Well it didn't work. 19:54 But it was working. 19:55 Those areas of cancer were still, 19:57 they were just growing out and doing the thing 20:00 that they were doing on a 20:02 microscopic level that couldn't be seen. 20:03 And so now, here he is, he's 11 years out, 20:07 he's still alive, they found a spot on his lung 20:09 they took it out, and it wasn't cancer. 20:12 It's, you know, it's 35 cases of that, 20:16 and he's the only one that's still alive. 20:18 Doctor, would you think that when 20:20 people come to our NEWSTART program 20:22 is it best to have their spouse with them? 20:26 You know with the Pritikin program 20:28 the spouse comes for free, it's more expensive than ours so 20:31 the spouse is really covered. 20:33 You really can't do it without, I mean you can, but it's almost 20:36 it's almost too hard. 20:37 I can't even imagine coming here without my wife Cindy, 20:40 and then trying to go home and explain to her, 20:43 what I learned in 18 days! 20:46 Well, in any case, I know there are viewers 20:48 out there wondering if they should come with 20:52 their wife, or their husband or their significant other. 20:55 That's always, always best if you can. 20:57 Dr. Lukins, I want to thank you once 20:59 again for joining us on the set here, 21:01 The thing is the Lord is merciful, and Paul 21:04 can still have a decent rest of his life. 21:08 He was better when he left. 21:09 Yes, indeed, 21:11 And folks, don't go away, we're running out 21:13 of time, so I'm going to say goodbye 21:14 for now, but we'll be right back. 21:30 Hello, and welcome to Newstart at home, 21:32 I'm your host Don Macintosh, 21:33 we're glad that you've joined us today. 21:35 And today I'm happy that 21:36 Rich Kollenberg is here in the studio with us. 21:39 And Rich, welcome. 21:41 Well, thanks, it's great to be here. 21:43 And we are going to be talking about addictions today, 21:45 and I guess you have some experience being an addict. 21:48 I've been an addict for 25 years, 21:50 I was addicted to many substances and behaviours. 21:53 Well, I mean I think some people have said there are 21:55 addicts who admit it and there are 21:56 those that don't, would that be true? 21:58 almost every one has some kind of addiction? 21:59 Yes, and the addict that doesn't 22:01 admit it is probably still an addict. 22:04 So to not admit it, what would that be called? 22:07 That would be called a lie, and you know what? 22:10 Us addicts are trained professionals at lying. 22:13 What we tell ourselves is so important. 22:16 And we either tell ourselves lies or the truth. 22:19 And we're going to believe what we tell ourselves, 22:22 and you know, we get lies from all over the place, 22:26 and we don't even realize, like the 22:28 billboard that says, drink responsibly. 22:30 Drink responsibly. Yes, 22:31 unless it's water, it's not responsible. 22:33 Right, and have a safe holiday season, 22:36 don't drink and drive. 22:37 - So that's kind of half true. 22:39 Half true yes, you can have a safe holiday season, 22:41 if you drink but you don't drive. 22:44 So we are bombarded with lies, but the worst 22:46 thing that an addict does is he tells himself lies. 22:50 Like what kind of lies? 22:51 I'm not an addict. 22:53 That's a lie. 22:54 One of the worst lies is, 22:56 The good old days really weren't that bad. 22:59 That's a bad lie, because then you start 23:01 romancing the good old days when they were that bad. 23:04 Crawling out from underneath a car, 23:06 at two in the morning, 23:07 with vomit all over you, is not the good old days. 23:12 Those types of things but somehow, 23:14 we tell ourselves those lies, 23:17 or the fact that I'm not an addict, 23:19 or I'm not an abuser or I'm not a gossip 23:22 or I'm not a gambler, 23:23 and if an addict doesn't need help 23:27 you can't help him. 23:29 So do you ever find yourself having those 23:31 thoughts go through your mind still today even? 23:33 You know there's still a tug every once in a while, 23:35 with different behaviours and stuff, but 23:40 the Lord has lifted the obsessions for me to use drugs 23:44 and to do those types of behaviours, He's lifted it. 23:46 But a lot of the behavioural addictions that I had before 23:49 I'm finding are really rearing their ugly head, 23:53 after I've quit the substances. 23:55 Ok, so I mean, it's an ongoing dynamic process. 23:57 So what do you do to reverse the lies that are in your life? 24:00 You have to get some truth 24:02 from somewhere, and I can remember 24:04 When I first got clean and sober, 24:06 my wife and I Susan, 24:07 we said you know what, 24:09 this TV is not putting out much truth. 24:10 We were ready to turn it off, 24:12 and I was flipping through the 24:14 channels and I got an Amazing Facts 24:16 television with Pastor Doug Bachelor on there, 24:20 and it had a ring of truth, and that really helped me. 24:23 So you were ready to. . . 24:24 I mean you told me the story before, 24:26 you were sitting in the 24:27 middle of the woods somewhere in a house that had TV or something 24:29 Yes, we were in what they called the fort, 24:32 I mean we had snakes in the house and rats 24:34 and a little bitty black and white TV. 24:37 And the electricity still worked. 24:38 The electricity still worked 24:39 because her mom paid the power bill. 24:41 Ok, and your sitting there, 24:43 and for some reason you're looking at TV, 24:45 and it's got a lot of lies on it, 24:46 your saying we got to dump it. 24:47 We got to dump it, and. . . 24:50 and low and behold we cam across that television program 24:53 And my brain was pretty fried at the time, 24:55 so I couldn't read very well, so that was very helpful 24:58 for me to be able to hear the truth. 25:01 And there was something about Pastor Bachelor, 25:03 he was a caveman, he was an addict himself, 25:05 you could identify with him? 25:07 I could identify with him. 25:08 And you started surrounding your self with some truth. 25:11 So you tell yourself the truth, 25:12 you're surrounding yourself with 25:14 people that are telling you the truth, 25:15 was Susan telling you the truth? your wife. 25:16 You know what we finally came to 25:18 agreement that we had to search for God 25:20 as hard as we searched for drugs. 25:23 So you started to tell yourself the truth, 25:25 told each other the truth, and then you started to 25:27 watch Christian programing. . . 25:30 We bombarded ourselves with truth. 25:33 Well that's a huge principle, I think. 25:36 So admitting you wrong, 25:37 admitting you're telling yourself a lie, 25:38 but then filling it will truth, don't take 25:40 something away unless you replace it with something else, 25:42 so lies with truth. 25:45 Oh you have all this in your book, Clean, 25:47 Seven Steps to Freedom, what every addict needs, 25:49 That's a great little book, and it has all kinds 25:51 of steps in there, all kinds of practical wisdom 25:54 like what you shared today. 25:57 Thanks for being here, thanks for telling us 25:58 the truth about telling ourselves the truth. 26:01 Yes, my pleasure to be here, 26:02 And we're glad that you are here, 26:03 and that's the truth as well. 26:05 We want you to go to our website, 26:08 and you can follow the links and you can get a copy of this book. 26:11 It takes them right to the Amazing Facts website, 26:13 and then you can get a copy of this 26:14 or some other book that might help you. 26:16 We hope as a result of reading this book, 26:18 and as a result of saying hey, I'm not going to lie anymore, 26:20 I'm going to tell myself the truth, 26:22 surround myself with people that tell me the truth, 26:24 read things that are the truth, 26:26 We hope that as a result you'll have 26:28 a new start, that starts right now. 26:30 Thanks for joining us, and thank you for joining us. 26:40 Hi, I hope that you've enjoyed as much 26:42 as I have this edition of NEWSTART Now. 26:45 I'm Jim Brackett, executive vice 26:47 president here at the Weimar Center, 26:49 I want to take just a moment to give you an idea of some 26:51 of the wonderful resources we have here at the bookstore 26:54 such as Dr. Nedley's book Proof Positive 26:57 Now in addition to Dr. Nedley's book, 26:59 he has a series on depression recovery 27:02 we have the NEWSTART lifestyle 27:04 series on DVD by our NEWSTART physicians 27:07 relating to topics like diabetes, 27:09 heart disease, cancer. 27:10 We have a number of authors who have cookbooks here, 27:14 including some in the raw field. 27:16 Now we'd love to have you stop by and visit 27:18 us for your shopping, but you can do it online at: 27:22 Click the link that says bookstore. 27:24 Or use our 800 number, 27:29 And by the way, anytime your 27:30 order is a hundred dollars or more, 27:33 we'll see that you get free the NEWSTART lifestyle cookbook. 27:40 Well friends, thank you for joining us. 27:43 Join us again next week, in the meantime, 27:46 pick up the phone and give us a call at, 27:53 Or if you would like to talk with me, 27:55 you can call me at extension 7921 27:58 In the meantime, have a great week, 28:01 God bless you abundantly, 28:02 we look forward to seeing you next week. |
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