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00:23 Hi friends, and welcome to
00:25 another edition of NEWSTART Now. 00:27 I want to say a special hello to my 00:30 friends at the Grass Valley SDA Church. 00:33 Hi there! 00:34 Today, we have David Sands with us. 00:37 David is from San Francisco, CA 00:40 which happens to be my home town as well. 00:43 David came to us approximately 8 or 9 days ago 00:47 with many problems and I'd like to look at 00:51 when he first arrived here. 00:53 Can we see that now? 00:55 Well, before I heard about the NEWSTART 00:59 I seemed to be focusing a lot 01:01 on my life as I was growing older 01:03 and my kids are grown up. 01:06 the things that happened 01:09 in my lifetime 01:11 some were good, some were not so good. 01:15 I found myself focusing as my wife 01:17 would tell you on the not so good things. 01:21 well, I got pretty unhappy and a little depressed about that. 01:26 and then I went for a check up for my gout 01:29 and found out that my kidney function was not up to date, 01:33 even though it is improving a little bit 01:36 and I want to lose more weight even though I feel comfortable 01:41 fairly comfortable with the way I am 01:43 because it doesn't stop any of my activities 01:46 but my wife and I talked about it 01:48 quite a bit for the last month or so 01:51 and we decided that we are going to come up here 01:53 and try and get the whole thing pulled together 01:57 and see what the future will bring and change our diet and 02:02 our lifestyle. 02:04 I want to learn what I can do to 02:07 improve my medical condition and help me prolong my life 02:11 not only prolong it, but live it better 02:15 and easier health wise, 02:18 and take care of my family. 02:22 Welcome back friends, and in our studio we have David. 02:25 How are you David? 02:26 How are you? It's nice to see you again. 02:28 Well, I think we have to tell our friends, our viewers here 02:31 the truth about this story of 02:33 you coming to the NEWSTART Program. 02:36 It's my understanding that you didn't even want to come here. 02:39 Is that right? 02:40 Ah. My wife started nagging on me a year ago 02:45 Nagging on...? 02:46 Nagging, yeah. After we first learned about NEWSTART 02:50 she kept a brochure tacked on the kitchen room wall 02:54 so I saw it every time I ate my breakfast, lunch, and dinner. 02:57 And why did your wife want to 02:59 you come to the NEWSTART Program? 03:00 Well, she felt I was doing the things that I 03:04 said I was doing, like going to the 03:05 gym and exercising, but I wasn't really 03:08 improving my health weight wise, and food wise. 03:14 Can we say that you weren't firing on all eight cylinders? 03:18 No, I was on like three cylinders, probably. 03:21 Three cylinders! 03:22 Okay, so you arrived here on a Sunday 03:26 just about ten days ago 03:28 and tell us what happened. 03:30 We know you had some resistance to being here. 03:34 But you got here... tell us what happened the first day. 03:37 We decided to come up very early. 03:42 We had been here before for a couple days just to check it out 03:46 but we came very early so that we could really 03:48 see what was going on ahead of the people that 03:51 came in the afternoon. 03:53 So we had lunch already here and walked around 03:56 and went to all the different places. 03:58 Did you have any problem 03:59 walking the first day you were here? 04:01 No, I don't have any problems walking. 04:03 You had none at all? 04:04 Well, this morning I happened to 04:06 meet you on the trail about six o'clock 04:09 and we walked together 04:10 and you said, "Yeah, I can walk better..." 04:12 What do you mean by that? 04:14 Well, I walk longer than I used to. 04:16 - Oh, you do? 04:17 I've always been able to walk, 04:19 but I walk munch longer since I have been here 04:23 Now, we also saw in your initial interview 04:27 that you have had in the past, some depression 04:31 have you had any change? 04:34 That's been much, much better 04:36 thanks to Viola and all the people here 04:40 have really helped a lot. It's been wonderful 04:42 It has? 04:43 In which way has this depression changed? 04:47 Not to focus on the past, but 04:50 focus on the present and the future 04:53 and put the past behind you as best you can, and move forward. 04:58 So, also in the interview, I noticed that you said 05:02 some things in the past that 05:04 you've dont that your not so proud of 05:06 and was this causing some depression? 05:09 Absolutely. Yes. 05:11 So is it fair to say that 05:13 many depressed people could come to our NEWSTART Program? 05:16 I think it would be a great place for them to come. 05:19 Not only the exercise and the food 05:22 and the consultation they get from the wonderful staff 05:27 It would all help instead of trying to stay 05:29 home and do it yourself, that doesn't work. 05:31 So, you've been here only... I hate to use the word only, but 05:35 you've been here ten days. 05:37 Right. 05:38 And there is an 18 day program, however your program 05:42 - is 11 days is that correct? - 11 days, right. 05:45 And you feel that 11 days is enough time to 05:49 deal with the issues you've had and get better? 05:53 Right. When I first signed up for the 05:56 11 days I analyzed what my doctor had 05:59 checked me out back in San Francisco 06:02 and felt I really didn't need the 18 days 06:05 at this time. 06:07 and it's worked out very well so far and I 06:10 do plan to come back for a restart program. 06:13 Good, and the restart program . . . 06:15 I'm sorry I interrupted you. 06:17 The restart program is a kind of finish up to the 11 days. 06:22 Yes. 06:23 And we have those anytime for 06:25 people who have been through the program 06:28 that can attend the last four 06:31 days of any session they like, right? 06:34 And so I think when I get some things 06:37 done in San Francisco, I need to come back. 06:40 Good. 06:41 Now so, we've talked about Viola, 06:45 and who is Viola? 06:47 Viola is the chaplain here. 06:49 And she gives counsel? 06:50 She gives lectures and counsel, 06:53 I seen her three times actually, 06:55 in person, not just listened to her lectures. 06:58 She's helped you a lot. 06:59 Oh they've all been, yea, everybody, 07:02 from Kathy, the staff, to yourself, 07:05 just talking to you and walking around, 07:09 it's endless how many names I can think of, you know, 07:12 everybody in the lodge, the kitchen and the whole works. 07:16 Yes. - Yes, I think, 07:18 it's something I didn't expect. 07:19 I expected, you know, just to come up 07:21 here and eat some food and do some exercises, 07:23 and go home, but. . . 07:24 You came up here, correct me if I'm wrong, 07:27 I think you came with the attitude, 07:29 "Look, my wife's been grinden me for a year, 07:33 I'm going to go do this 07:34 get it done with and get back home, 07:36 was that kind of like what you were thinking? 07:37 Uh, sort of halfway, half and half I said. 07:42 I knew I needed to do something besides sit around in the house, 07:45 and grumble about what was good and what was 07:48 bad in the past, and get it out of my system. 07:52 So what are you taking home with 07:55 you that you know your going to use, 07:57 that is going to help your depression, 07:59 help your cardiovascular situation, 08:03 meaning your high blood pressure or potential diabetics, 08:06 or whatever, what are you taking home with you? 08:09 I'm taking home a better attitude, 08:11 I'm taking home a better health feeling. 08:15 I've already cut my 08:16 medicine down on my blood pressure. 08:18 Really! Tell me about that just briefly, 08:21 what do you mean by that? 08:23 Well I met with Dr. Ing several times and 08:26 I'm going to have one last visit with him today. 08:28 You have been here ten days you 08:30 have meet with him several times, 08:32 and you are going to meet with him 08:33 again today? - Yes my last one. 08:35 And has he suggested that 08:37 you cut your blood pressure meds? 08:38 Yeah we talked about it, and I said, 08:40 How can I cut it? and he said, Try it. 08:42 He said cut it in half, 08:43 and see how your blood pressure is. 08:45 And how is it? 08:46 - It's fine right now, it's right on. 08:48 The same thing happened to me by the way, 08:51 I got off two high blood pressure medications in 6 days! 08:56 And I know the same thing can happen to you, so uh . . . 09:00 Well it makes me thing that maybe my doctor in San Francisco 09:03 could have gotten me off it a long time 09:05 ago if he tried. - Maybe, I don't know. 09:09 Coming here, and . . . 09:12 it's been great, if I can get off my medicine 09:13 I'm home, man, I'm home. No medication then. 09:18 You know it's really good to see you smile Dave, 09:22 you got a great smile. 09:24 I know why your wife has brought you here, 09:27 I know your wife is with you today. 09:28 She has been here as a companion, 09:30 she didn't go through the program, 09:32 but she's been very supportive, and . . . 09:36 I love her very much. 09:42 I know. 09:44 - and I thank her for bringing me here. 09:49 So I'm going to take her to play golf with me tomorrow! 09:54 David thank you so much for sharing with us 09:57 Thank you, it's been great experience, 09:58 thank you very much. 10:00 God bless you. - Thank you, you too. 10:03 Folks, you know it's interviews like this that touch my heart. 10:07 We've seen a man come here kind of hardened, 10:11 and saddened, and depressed, 10:13 and we see that he is making great strides to improve it. 10:17 Don't go away, we'll be right back. 10:21 Well you've done very well. 10:29 Do you have diabetes, heart disease, 10:32 high blood pressure , or do you weigh too much? 10:35 Hi my name is Dr. Ing. I'd like to tell you 10:38 about our 18 day Newstart lifestyle program. 10:42 It includes a comprehensive medical 10:44 evaluation with laboratory studies 10:46 and a exercise stress test, 10:48 Physician consultations, 10:50 Culinary schools, 10:52 and an opportunity to walk on beautiful 10:55 trails in the foothills of the Sierras. 10:59 Your health is one of the most 11:01 important things that you have, don't wait. 11:03 Give us a call at: 11:08 Or visit our website: 11:27 Hi friends, in our studio I have Dr. Clarence Ing. 11:30 How are you Dr. Ing? 11:32 Good to see you Ron. 11:33 You know, we go on these programs every week, 11:36 and we talk about various guests, 11:38 and yet it still amazes me when I see the numbers coming down, 11:44 and perhaps you can tell us a little bit about 11:47 Mr. Sands, it's David right? 11:49 Right. David came here, 11:51 and when he came here he was concerned 11:54 about the way his kidneys were working. 11:57 He had been told by his previous physician 12:01 that he had some impairment of his kidneys 12:03 because of various things that had happened, 12:06 and also his blood pressure was high. 12:08 So we had the privilege of working with him, 12:12 examining him, monitoring him, and see what happened 12:14 and see what happened 12:16 during the time that he was here. 12:17 And it was really true, 12:20 he did have the impaired kidney function 12:23 as confirmed by some of the blood tests that we did, 12:27 his glomerular filtration rate was low, 12:31 his creatinine was high 12:33 his BUN was, you know, it was in the normal range. 12:38 And then when he left, or before he left, 12:41 we had the opportunity to repeat some of his tests 12:44 and see what had happened 12:45 during the time that he was here, 12:47 and it was definitely better. 12:48 Now Doctor, I know that we don't use any supplements, 12:52 but can you tell the viewers, we do this. . . 12:56 how does this happen? 12:58 Well . . . my favorite 13:01 supplement is called food, so. . . 13:04 if you want to call food a supplement, 13:05 then we say we use supplements. 13:07 And we like to say whole plant foods eaten whole. 13:12 And just in case the group that I'm talking to 13:15 aren't really familiar with what that is 13:17 because they'll often say, well that's fine Doc, 13:19 I don't eat meat I just use fish and chicken. 13:23 I said, Oh you like those swimming and flying vegetables! 13:27 Well they really aren't 13:29 vegetables as everyone knows, but . . . 13:31 in some cultures in some areas of the world they say 13:36 they don't consider fish and chicken meat, 13:38 but I said it very definitely is meat. 13:41 And if you have impaired kidney function, 13:45 one of the ways that they work with people with 13:47 impaired kidneys or kidneys that aren't working well 13:50 is put them on a low protein diet, 13:52 and what better way to on a low 13:53 protein diet than to go on a plant based diet 13:56 You have more than adequate protein, 13:58 but you don't have 14:00 the burden that you place upon the 14:01 kidneys if you're eating animal protein. 14:04 You know, the kidneys have to 14:05 work harder to process animal protein 14:08 than they do with the plant protein, so . . . 14:12 As we worked with David, 14:14 sure enough as I charted his 14:16 blood pressure when I first saw him 14:18 his blood pressures gradually came down 14:20 and when we repeated his blood 14:23 tests his kidney function had improved 14:25 because his creatinine was lower 14:27 and also his glomerular filtration rate 14:31 had improved and was higher than was on his initial exam. 14:35 Were those the two main 14:36 difficulties that David came here for? 14:39 Well yes, yes, he had some other problems, but . . . 14:42 the main thing that he was 14:43 concerned about was his kidney function. 14:48 And the blood pressure you said is normalized now? 14:51 Yes, his blood pressure came down as well. 14:53 Initially I think his blood pressure was in the 150s 14:56 and you know, by the time he left 15:00 it was down to 110-120 over 60 or 70 15:04 so his blood pressure was normal. 15:06 Now was that with medication, or without medication? 15:09 He was using some medication as I recall 15:12 we even decreased the amount of medication that he was using, 15:16 and his blood pressure was lower. 15:18 In fact, when he went home I said, 15:19 Continue to monitor your blood pressure, 15:21 check it every day, 15:23 and if your blood pressure stays below a certain level, 15:26 you know, below 130 over 90 15:28 you can cut your blood pressure down even further 15:31 after a few weeks if it stays down, 15:33 just cut it out. 15:34 And you don't need to take any unless your 15:37 blood pressure is consistently over 140 over 90, 15:40 so that is an easy way to follow that, 15:42 you know, they can buy a device where they can check 15:45 their blood pressures regularly, see how things are going. 15:48 And I will be very interested what he finds out the 15:51 next time he takes another blood panel or blood test 15:54 to check on his creatinine and his glomerular filtration rates, 15:59 if he does that anywhere from three to six months from now. 16:02 I would anticipate that with what he's learned 16:06 but more importantly with what he's doing, 16:08 if he continues to follow the principles that he's learned 16:11 that those should be where they 16:13 were when he left, or even better. 16:16 Now what about weight? 16:17 David shared with me, maybe in secret, 16:19 I thought it was during the interview 16:22 that he wanted to lose some weight. 16:24 He wanted to regain some youthful energies 16:28 so he can participate better in life, 16:31 do you see any changes there? 16:33 As I recall he did lose some weight, 16:35 I don't recall exactly how much, 16:37 but most of our guests do lose some weight, 16:40 some lose more than others 16:41 I really don't recall the exact 16:43 number but that can easily be checked. 16:46 Yes. Now the creatin, 16:47 is that what you were talking about? 16:49 Creatinine - Creatinine, how is this gaged? 16:54 Through blood work? 16:55 Through a blood test, you do a blood test, 16:57 and if the creatinine levels are within the normal range, 17:00 then everything is working fine, 17:02 when the kidneys are not working well, 17:04 there's impaired kidney function, 17:06 then the creatinine and often the blood urea nitrogen or BUN 17:11 will be elevated or increased. 17:14 So I thought that once you had a kidney problem, 17:17 and maybe some of our viewers think this way too, 17:20 that that's it, it's all over, it's just a question of time 17:24 before they shut down, is this not true? 17:26 Well, not really. 17:28 In other words, if you pick it up soon enough 17:30 and you are wanting to make 17:32 changes and modify your lifestyle. 17:34 Many times we have been able to help 17:37 people who have been told, you know, 17:40 the way your going now, you are 17:41 going to end up having to go on dialysis, 17:43 because you kidneys, you know, 17:45 they say have chronic, renal disease, 17:47 or chronic kidney disease. 17:49 And with their creatinine levels being high 17:53 that their two choices then are dialysis three times a week, 18:00 or if they are eligible and they are in good enough health 18:03 and they can find a match, 18:05 then the other thing is a kidney transplant. 18:07 But we have worked with 18:09 patients where they've been able to 18:10 change things and do things differently, 18:12 we've been able to stabilize them for several 18:15 years so they can delay having to go on dialysis 18:19 or delay having to have the kidney transplant. 18:21 And that's good, because having to go on dialysis 18:24 you got to make a commitment of going into the dialysis center 18:28 usually about 3 times a week 18:30 and that's going to take between four to six hours 18:34 where you're sitting there, 18:36 and you're connected up to the machine. 18:38 Or if you are eligible for kidney transplant, 18:41 then you can have the kidney transplant, 18:43 and you know they have to find the donor, number one, 18:46 and there has to be a match. 18:49 And then after that you've got to take the medications 18:53 you know, to avoid rejecting the kidney. 18:56 So, you know, if you can live on 18:59 whole plant foods, a healthy lifestyle, 19:02 it's certainly a lot simpler 19:03 than either one of those options, 19:05 but those options can be 19:06 lifesaving if that's all you have left. 19:09 Now I thought there was a direct correlation with diabetes 19:12 and the kidneys, or the lack of 19:15 them working properly, is this correct? 19:18 This is correct. . . 19:21 Did he have diabetes by the way? 19:24 I . . . don't think that he did, 19:26 I would have to review his chart, 19:29 but the thing is, with chronic . . . well no, 19:32 with diabetes, poorly controlled diabetes, 19:36 many of the patients that have diabetes, 19:39 if they don't control their diabetes well 19:41 can end up with chronic renal disease, or even worse, 19:45 end stage renal disease 19:47 they then need to go on dialysis or have a transplant. 19:51 The key is, if a person has diabetes, 19:53 he recognizes that he has diabetes 19:56 he takes responsibility 19:59 and he manages his 20:00 diabetes so that the numbers are not. . . 20:02 his blood sugars are not real high. 20:05 Because the other thing is, 20:06 as an ophthalmologist, I find that many times 20:09 if they have kidney problems, 20:10 they also have problems in the eyes, 20:12 they parallel the changes in the eye, 20:15 from diabetes with the high blood sugars 20:19 produce what we call diabetic retinopathy 20:21 and this is manifested or shown in 20:24 the eye with little small hemorrhages, 20:26 micro-aneurysms, which is distention of the blood vessels 20:30 and also bleeding inside the eye 20:32 and when this happens usually we see in the kidneys 20:36 that their function starts to go down 20:39 this is first manifested or shown in 20:42 tests by the presence of protein in the urine. 20:45 So the changes are parallel, 20:47 if the patient has diabetes, 20:49 they need to see an ophthalmologist, 20:52 and IMD, at least once a year, 20:54 and get a complete eye exam where the pupil is dilated 20:58 so the doctor can look at the back of 21:00 the retina and make sure everything is ok, 21:04 because if it advances to a certain stage 21:06 then the patient needs to have treatment 21:08 and this treatment is usually with 21:11 what we call laser photocoagulation. 21:13 and this can help a person save their 21:17 vision so that they do not go blind. 21:19 And if it's left untreated, diabetes is the 21:23 number one cause of 21:24 blindness here in the United States. 21:26 We just ran out of time, thank you 21:28 Dr. Ing for coming into our studio. 21:31 Folks, don't go away, we'll be right back. 21:48 Hi, and welcome. My name is Kathy, 21:49 and today we have with us Jerry Florez, 21:52 and Jerry is the massage therapist here 21:54 at Weimar Institute of Health and Education 21:57 Jerry, thank you for being with us today, 21:59 and who do you have with us 22:01 and what are you going to for us today? 22:02 Well, here we are with our daughter today, 22:05 Naomi, who is going to be our model today 22:09 and we are going to teach 22:10 people how to do a chair massage, 22:13 Ok - Here we have 22:15 a professional chair 22:16 that you might have seen at a airport or mall or other places, 22:20 and they charge about a dollar a minute, 22:23 and it's very comfortable 22:25 it decompresses the spine and you can get relief of tension 22:29 you know, and pain, by just a simple 5 22:32 or 10 or 15 minute head and neck massage 22:36 Wow, yes it must be quick because I've seen 22:37 them at airports I've seen them at shopping malls, 22:39 so it must be a quick way to just get tension relief. 22:42 Show us what you want to do, what are you going to do for us? 22:44 Well, this is what you would get done at mall, 22:48 Where you pay, you know, a dollar a minute, 22:51 they just massage your head a little bit, 22:55 your neck, your shoulders, your upper back, 23:00 and sometimes your middle and lower back too, 23:03 to get some blood circulating there, 23:05 take out some of those knots, and get the tension out. 23:09 We're going to show folks today, 23:12 how to get rid of that tension at home, 23:18 on just a simple chair. 23:19 Alright, so you can actually within just 23:21 a few minutes relieve tension fell better? 23:24 I mean does it help with headaches, 23:25 does it help when you have a stiff neck 23:26 it helps with all of that all within just a few short minutes? 23:29 Yes it can . . . - Wow 23:30 in as little as five minutes you can get 23:32 great relief from even sometimes a headache 23:34 Wow, and it's something simple, I mean what you are doing 23:36 here looks like something I could do 23:38 and I'm not a massage therapist. 23:40 So I could actually give my daughter 23:42 massage or my husband and it actually will work 23:44 I don't have to be really 23:46 strong or anything like that? -No. 23:47 - Actually most people could do it 23:49 if they just do it with tender loving care. 23:51 Oh, ok, so they can just do it at home just real simply. 23:53 Ok, so they don't have to have this nice fancy chair either? 23:57 They can just us a regular chair at home 23:59 that they might have? any kind of a chair? 24:01 Any kind of a chair, and we're 24:02 going to demonstrate that right now, 24:04 so we're going to go move over to this chair, 24:07 Ok. - and we are 24:08 going to demonstrate 24:10 a simple chair massage that you folks can do at home 24:14 Great. - and we start 24:16 at the base of the neck, 24:18 and something very important, when you touch someone 24:22 and give them a massage, you want 24:24 to do three types of pressure: 24:26 light, medium, and more pressure, 24:28 and I like to put them in these terms, 24:31 green which is light, yellow which is more pressure, 24:36 it's a little discomfortable 24:38 but it loosens up the muscles 24:40 and red which means stop! 24:43 That way you won't get in conflict 24:45 with anyone and them telling you, Ouch! 24:47 So, just remember to stay within the green and the yellow, 24:51 and sometimes a little more pressure. 24:53 And you just start at the base, do little circles 24:57 you make your hand into a C, just like that 24:59 and you put it right on the outside of 25:02 the muscles on the spine, and you go down 25:06 Ok. - all the way to the middle, 25:08 then you can use both hands, 25:10 do the same thing, and move it in. 25:12 So it's always circular motions, I notice you 25:14 are always going in circular motions with your hands. 25:15 - Yes, for this type of massage, yes. 25:17 Or you can just hold just the pressure right there, 25:20 for one to three seconds, 25:21 then you can squeeze, squeeze the neck and shoulders 25:25 - Ok, so it's basically loosening everything up. 25:27 - loosing up the tissues, nice circular motions. 25:30 And of course we are going to have a sheet 25:32 for them at the end of the program, I believe. 25:35 Ok, yeah we'll have something they can download, 25:37 and it will have different steps that they can use. 25:40 Now as opposed to a full body massage, 25:42 what I had said before 25:43 was that in just a few short 25:45 minutes you can do a chair massage, 25:46 and you can relieve some tension. 25:47 So for people who don't have time for a full body massage 25:50 this is just something that they could 25:52 just do in the comfort of their own home. 25:54 This is something great to relieve 25:56 that everyday stress that students, 25:58 parents, that everyone feels at the end of the day, 26:01 and it can be a very good de-stresser 26:03 Yes. And so breathing is important too 26:05 while you are doing this with someone? 26:07 Yes, you ask the person to take a deep breath through out, 26:10 about every 30 seconds to a minute. 26:12 For example, Naomi can you take a deep breath? 26:16 And let out slowly. 26:19 And then, you just manipulate the tissues 26:22 and get more oxygen to the head, neck, 26:25 shoulders, and that tension is released. 26:28 - Do you ever go down for the arms part too a little bit? 26:30 - You could also do the arms, but this is just a chair massage 26:34 for basic tension in the head. 26:37 Ok. Well for those of you who would like more information, 26:39 we have a 21 step sheet available to you 26:41 visit our website at: 26:46 Thank you and God bless. 26:55 Hi, I hope you have enjoyed as much 26:57 as I have this edition of NEWSTART NOW. 26:59 I'm Jim Brackett, the executive vice 27:01 president here at the Weimar Center, 27:04 I want to take just a moment to give you 27:05 an idea some of the wonderful resources 27:07 we have here at the bookstore, such as 27:09 Dr. Nedley's book Proof Positive 27:12 Now in addition to Dr. Nedley's book 27:14 he has a series on depression recovery, 27:16 we have the NEWSTART Lifestyle 27:18 series on DVD by our NEWSTART physicians 27:21 relating to topics in diabetes, heart disease, and cancer 27:25 we have a number of 27:26 authors who have cookbooks here, 27:28 including some in the raw field. 27:30 Now we'd love to have you stop by 27:32 and visit us to do your shopping, 27:33 but you can do it online at: 27:36 click the link that says bookstore, 27:39 or use our 800 number 27:44 and by the way, anytime 27:45 your order is 100 dollars 27:46 or more we'll see that you get free 27:49 the NEWSTART lifestyle cookbook. 27:55 Well friends, that's it for today, 27:57 thank you for joining us, 27:59 pick up that phone and call us at: 28:05 God bless you, have a wonderful week. |
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