Participants: Ron Giannoni (Host), Tom Sherwood, Dr. Clarence Ing
Series Code: NSN
Program Code: NSN000021
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00:23 Hi, folks and welcome to another edition
00:25 of Newstart Now. We have an exciting 00:28 program for you and a very unusual one. 00:31 We have Tom to my left here, 00:34 who will be interviewed here in a second, 00:36 but first I'd like to show you a little bit about 00:39 him when he first arrived. 00:41 So, can we watch that clip now? 00:45 About two months ago, I had a virus attacked 00:49 my heart which weakened my heart. 00:53 I spent eleven days in the hospital and it was 00:57 a very traumatic experience because 00:59 of all the things they did to me 01:01 while I was there. They probably tried 01:04 several different drugs and which I had 01:09 reactions too. And couple of other 01:13 things they do was, shutdown my kidneys, 01:16 and several other things happened during that 01:20 time that caused my family severe distress, 01:25 they thought I was going to die. 01:28 While I'm here at the Newstart Program, 01:30 I would like to probably get back to normal 01:35 as much as possible. I don't know if that's 01:37 possible but I think being very optimistic 01:45 and I do step up the challenges that I can't 01:49 accomplish but with things 01:50 that help I'm going to get here. 01:54 Welcome back. I wanna get right 01:56 into the interview with Tom. 01:57 Tom, Tom Sherwood, how are you sir? 02:00 Great. Good to see you. Thank you. 02:02 And I guess for you it's good to be alive. 02:05 Very well, yes very good. 02:07 So, tell us what has happened, 02:09 I know that you've had some changes while 02:12 you've been here. You've had this heart 02:16 beat that keeps changing, tell us about that. 02:20 Well when I came here and my heart was in they 02:22 called a Atrial Fibrillation I guess, 02:25 and that means top heart is, 02:28 out of sync with the bottom of the heart 02:31 and it was it happened because maybe one of the 02:34 drugs that I was up subjected 02:37 to I was in hospital. And it put me on several, 02:42 several drugs of which because there was a virus 02:46 that attacked my heart, actually it wasn't 02:48 a heart attack. 02:49 Now, how long were you in the hospital 02:50 at that time? I was in hospital 02:52 eleven days. Eleven days! 02:53 You're trying to regulate the heart beat, 02:56 so both all chambers are fine in sequence, right? 03:00 Well they, they treated me as a heart attack 03:04 and that wasn't the problem. 03:05 It wasn't a heart attack, it was a virus. 03:07 They finally found out. So as they treated me 03:09 for the heart attack they kept pumping me with 03:13 drugs that are concerned with my heart, 03:16 which probably I shouldn't have received. 03:20 And eventually getting out of the hospital 03:23 and seeing the doctor and kind of researching 03:28 the drugs that I was on, brought this to him 03:32 and said, listen I didn't have a heart attack, 03:34 why am I on these drugs? 03:37 So then, since you've been here, 03:40 tell us a little bit about what's happened, 03:42 have you stop taking certain medications or? 03:46 Yes, I have. I've stopped taking 03:49 a couple before I got to Weimar, 03:51 and I was on actually two, one was called 03:56 Coumadin and the other is Coreg, 03:58 and the hope was that with the program here 04:04 and what they do for you that I would eventually 04:08 eliminate both those drugs. 04:10 Okay, and what did the program 04:11 do for you specifically? 04:13 Well they brought me back to life. 04:16 Brought you back to life back? 04:17 Yes. Yeah you were looking little more alive when 04:20 I first saw you. Yeah, I, I, when I got here 04:23 I was in pretty bad shape, and I've been an 04:27 athlete in all my life, so I'm not. 04:29 You were coach, aren't you? 04:30 A coach teacher. Yeah, okay teacher coach. 04:32 So, I'm not on accustomed to exercising 04:36 and I just retired. So I had been exercising 04:41 quite a bit and now when this happened it just 04:44 dragged me right down. And when I got to Weimar 04:48 I couldn't hardly walk the half a mile loop 04:52 that they have here and now I'm walking three 04:55 or four miles a day. Well, how about your weight? 04:59 Were you really overweight when you got here? 05:03 I was, I carried my weight well 05:06 they always tell me, but I was probably 05:09 30 pounds overweight, and that probably lost 05:12 pretty close to 8 or 10 pounds. Good. 05:15 And so that's helped with walking, 05:18 that's helped with the heart. 05:19 They feed me real well. I loved the, even though 05:26 it is vegan and I haven't had any meat or dairy 05:29 for 18 days, I have not been hungry 05:32 and in fact, I'm only eating two meals a day, 05:35 breakfast and lunch. And before I got here I, 05:39 my weight was because of a more because of sugar, 05:46 I like sugar and I eat a lot of candy and so on. 05:49 And I can honestly say I've not had a craving 05:55 like I had for sugar before. 05:58 So that's been the biggest plus that I could have 06:02 ever imagine to get rid of that addiction, 06:06 and I called that an addiction. 06:07 Yes, yes. So your heart is working properly now? 06:13 It, actually it went back to normal after 06:18 a few days and then the doctor and I just 06:21 yesterday he said, well it sounds like you 06:25 went back into A-fib and then this morning we had 06:33 a another treadmill experience where they hook 06:34 you up and look at your heart and he looked 06:36 back at me and he said, I think you are back into 06:39 normal rhythm again. Wow! And which was exciting. 06:45 My wife saying right behind me, yo hey, 06:46 because this been a very distressful time for her. 06:49 And so, I'm gone home healthy. 06:55 We've only got a couple of more days, 06:57 but I will maintain this. That's awesome, 07:02 that's awesome. It's good to hear. 07:03 Your wife is with you, you said now. 07:08 I know that she went through a lot of changes 07:10 as did my wife when I was having difficulties, 07:14 but were you kind a like on your death bed 07:18 and this was like your last choice here, 07:21 what was it one of your first choices? 07:28 I don't think my wife told me that they thought 07:31 that I may die. And when we got out 07:36 of the hospital they started to recover, 07:38 I did come out of it and start to recover 07:40 and Kathy had attended another lifestyle center 07:45 about 10 years ago. And she got on the 07:49 computer and started researching 07:51 the possibilities of where we should go? 07:55 She found three I believe and Weimar 07:58 was the best choice for us. 08:01 Even though that's probably the furthest away 08:04 we both decided that with what we had seen 08:09 and what we had heard and that this was the 08:13 place we had to come for us to get better. 08:15 Now tell us again where are you from? 08:17 Michigan. From Michigan, what part of Michigan? 08:20 Mid-State in Michigan, we're probably 90 miles 08:24 North of Detroit. Okay, so what else is that 08:29 you can tell our viewers that might help someone 08:32 with the similar situation as yours? 08:35 Weimar is just a place for people who have 08:41 heart problems. It's a place for just 08:45 about any kind of problem. They teach you, 08:50 how to control your eating? 08:54 They teach you, how to I guess, 08:59 handle your diseases, if you come with diabetes 09:03 or cancer or depression or things that the people 09:09 that are going through this with me now. 09:13 Everybody has some problems are the same, 09:17 but there are multiple, multiple problems that 09:20 these people have and you go through 09:25 this together. So you really develop 09:28 a community atmosphere here. 09:29 And so, it's not just for people who have 09:35 a heart problem. It's for anyone 09:38 who has a problem. So as I said to guest 09:42 in the past we have a program here it's like one 09:46 program that fixes everything, right, 09:49 I know that that's kind of boastful in some ways, 09:51 but it's the truth. We see things change 09:55 overnight here in 18 days. And Tom I'm so glad 10:00 to see that you're getting well and I thank you 10:02 for being on our program. God bless you, 10:05 in the months and years to come. 10:07 Thank you. Folks thanks for 10:09 joining us, but don't go away, 10:11 we have something to show you and then we'll be 10:13 right back to give you a little more information 10:16 about how you can start your own program 10:18 right in your own home. 10:21 Well, you've done very well. 10:29 Do you have diabetes, heart disease, 10:32 high blood pressure, or do you weight too much? 10:35 Hi, my name is Dr. Ing. I'd like to tell you about 10:38 our 18-day Newstart Lifestyle Program. 10:42 It includes a comprehensive 10:43 medical evaluation for laboratory studies 10:46 and an exercise stress test, 10:48 physician consultations, culinary school and an 10:53 opportunity to walk on beautiful trails and the 10:56 Foothills of the Sierras. Your health is one of 11:01 the most important things that you have, 11:02 don't wait, give us call at 11:05 800-525-9192 or visit our website newstart.com. 11:27 Hi, friends and welcome back. 11:29 As I promised we have Dr. Ing to my left. 11:34 Clarence Ing is our Medical Director here 11:37 at the Newstart Program for Weimar. 11:40 Dr. Ing, how are you sir? 11:41 It's pleasure to be here Ron. 11:43 Yeah, as I'm happy you're able to join us, 11:45 I know you're a busy man. 11:47 We were waiting on the set for you and I know 11:50 you had been with patients. 11:52 And I'd like to talk to about, 11:54 talk to you about one in particular that's Tom. 11:58 Now he was here yesterday and he says to us that 12:01 he has had some problems with his heart, 12:05 maybe you can elaborate on that. 12:07 Well according to the report said, 12:09 he came in with he had some type of infection of 12:13 his heart presumed to be a virus, 12:15 so it's term to Viral Myocarditis. 12:18 But his heart wasn't working very effectively 12:20 and wasn't very strong, and one of the ways 12:24 that's measured is with what is term the ejection 12:27 fraction when the heart pumps it pumps 12:29 out of certain amount of blood, 12:31 and you know normally the ejection fraction 12:34 is up like around 60% more or less and this is 12:37 like in the 20s, right, so it's considerably 12:40 weakened and this was evidence by you know, 12:44 his abilities when he first got here 12:47 he could walk, but he got short of 12:50 breath quite easily and he got tired quite easily. 12:53 Now is that able to be corrected 12:56 'cause he says yesterday, 12:57 now he has a better breath. 13:01 He is able to walk much further 13:02 and he feels stronger. Is the heart actually, 13:05 does it recuperate after an episode like that? 13:09 Right, well the heart is basically is a muscle. 13:12 Right! And you know, if you work with it you 13:16 start to exercise as he did walking, 13:19 his stamina and his endurance and his strength 13:23 has increased because like he says 13:24 he can walk further, he can walk faster 13:27 as we've recorded on his treadmill, 13:30 his exercise treadmill. His first treadmill 13:33 he went for about five minutes you know, 13:36 and then he couldn't go any further and on the 13:38 treadmill that we've repeated on him yesterday 13:40 he was able to go seven minutes which is a 13:43 40% increase in the time. Not only it was the 13:46 time increase, but also during the 13:48 last minute he is walking at a up more of an 13:52 incline and his, the speed is increase. 13:55 So, definitely he had improvement in his, 13:58 his endurance and his strength. 14:02 And I would be very interested to know 14:04 when he returns home and he has another 14:07 echocardiogram I would suspect that his ejection 14:11 fraction has improved as well. 14:14 Now that brings up another topic for me, 14:16 when our guests leave do you keep in touch 14:21 with them or do they often come back for 14:23 examinations and such? Some come back, 14:27 the ones that I care for personally in the little 14:31 book that I signed for them I have given them 14:34 my personal email, I've written that in there. 14:38 I've also written in my home telephone number. 14:42 So if they want to call me at any time you know, 14:45 they ask questions, they can do that you know, 14:48 I says you call me morning, noon or night. 14:50 If I'm home I'll ask to the phone, 14:52 if I'm not leave me an, leave me a 14:54 voicemail message and tell me 14:56 how late I can call you? 14:58 You know, I'll call you when I get the message, 15:00 but it maybe and the wee hours at the 15:02 morning especially depending on where you 15:04 live because sometimes they don't get those 15:06 messages till I get home in the evening, 15:08 sometimes that's a little bit late. 15:12 Folks let me just verify that little bit, 15:15 I remember when I was sick many years ago 15:18 I called Dr. Ing at his home and I think it was 15:22 about 11:00 PM on the West Coast here, 15:25 and he was spending time with me and I was 15:28 amazed because when I want to see my doctor 15:33 I usually had to wait an hour and an half or two 15:35 and then spend five minutes with him. 15:37 However, Dr. Ing took the time and spend at least 15:41 a half hour on the phone and because of Dr. Ing 15:44 I was able to come to Weimar to our 15:47 Newstart Program and go through the program 15:50 and get well. So I thank you Dr. Ing. 15:53 And I, and I know that you do care for people 15:56 and it shows and I love seeing them on the set 16:01 here and how they, they before and after and 16:05 we can elaborate a little bit about 16:07 that was time. Now, we praise the Lord 16:08 for that, but you know good 16:10 food moderate amounts of exercise within the 16:15 capabilities of the patient and a loving 16:18 caring environment and the Lord's blessing 16:20 does wonders for one's health. 16:21 Yeah. And we've seen that time and time again. 16:24 Yes. So is there something you could say to our 16:32 viewing audience that might encourage, 16:34 because we know that the heart diseases is a very 16:37 serious problem in this country along with 16:40 diabetes and obesity, which we seem to have 16:44 a number of people coming through our program, 16:47 is there something you could say to encourage 16:49 people, or perhaps given up hope? 16:52 Well, the good news is if you're going to make 16:54 changes in your life and to live 16:57 more healthfully, you know marvelous 16:59 things can happen. In one of our recent 17:02 programs we had a gentleman who came 17:04 to our program it was less than three weeks 17:06 after he had his coronary artery bypass graft 17:09 and he continue to improve. 17:13 In fact, as we look at him where 17:17 they took the, the grafts from his leg, 17:20 it was really pretty swollen, 17:21 but with good care and treatment here that went 17:26 down his stamina, his endurance improved, 17:30 his treadmill time improved and he 17:32 did very well. Cholesterol is usually 17:34 come down in these patients and we 17:37 expect that if they're able to continue to 17:38 follow this program, if there are problem 17:41 with their heart disease that is caused by 17:42 narrowed arteries, they've had books which 17:44 have been written that heart disease 17:46 can be reversed, and those arteries can be 17:48 opened up again. We've seen this and 17:50 people will continue to follow their program. 17:54 Wasn't that man and I remember him quite well 17:57 because I was amazed that he was here three weeks 18:00 after his open heart surgery and as you know, 18:02 I had opened heart surgery, 18:04 but three weeks after the surgery I wasn't going 18:08 anywhere like he was. He just, I was very 18:11 impressed by that and the care that he received 18:14 here at Weimar of course, I know was exceptional 18:18 and because of that he recuperated rather fast, 18:22 don't you think, I mean? 18:23 Oh! He did, he did marvelously well you know, 18:25 what he was able to do physically. 18:27 Yeah. And you know his treadmills you know time 18:31 increased and you know he says you know, 18:35 it doesn't hurt as much. I mean when you get 18:37 someone who makes an incision from here to here 18:40 and they get a big sour in there and they kind of 18:43 open things up and you're kind of uncomfortable, 18:46 but he made a very excellent and marvelous 18:49 recovery and he continues to do well. 18:52 So, as we continue to talk about Tom, 18:56 what's the prognosis, what do you think about 19:00 his situation? I think as Tom continues 19:02 to follow these principles and, 19:04 and exercise and lose weight moderate gradually 19:07 increasing the amounts of exercise, 19:10 the intensive exercise I think that is prognosis 19:13 is good and he should do very well. 19:15 Oh! That's excellent. So, Dr. Ing I know you 19:19 said, you've been here about 12 years. 19:23 How many heart patients do you think you've 19:26 dealt with in those 12 years or care to take 19:30 stab out? Oh! It's probably by now you know, 19:34 somewhere it's between 50 and 100 or more because 19:37 you know his heart is you know, 19:41 I just don't recall exactly, 19:42 but we always we usually have patients with some 19:45 form of heart diseases in every session two or 19:48 three of them like and sometime we have people 19:50 with diabetes many, many people with diabetes, 19:53 and so in each session I would say we averaged 19:56 between you know five and six people diabetes 20:00 and you know four to five people with some form 20:04 of heart disease and those are cared for 20:05 between you know Dr. Lukens and myself and 20:08 the other physicians who work with patients. 20:12 So, is it fair to say then if a heart patient, 20:16 heart patient let me clarify someone who has 20:20 had a stroke or has high blood pressure or some 20:24 form of cardio disease, if there were to come 20:31 here to Weimar to our Newstart Program, 20:32 is it fair to say that they're gonna get better, 20:35 is that something that we would actually 20:37 say openly and. In most cases they will 20:40 get better stroke patients it really depends on 20:43 the severity of the stroke and what residual 20:45 effects they have you know, 20:48 if they're paralyzed or not, 20:50 how long they've had you know, 20:52 how long they've had their muscular weakness 20:55 or paralysis. So it's variable. 20:59 Some people have made very dramatic improvement, 21:01 some people is much slower, so it depends. 21:04 But with heart disease I'm probably much more 21:07 optimistic, but people with stroke it bit, 21:09 like I said depends on the severity of the stroke 21:11 and which part of the brain has been affected. 21:14 We're running out of time, thank you so much 21:17 for joining us Dr. Ing, and thank you folks, 21:20 but don't go away we've got a tip for you in a 21:23 couple of minutes. God bless you 21:25 and have a great day. 21:40 Hi, welcome to Newstart Now, 21:42 I'm Don Mackintosh. We're glad that you're 21:44 with us today. We're gonna talking about 21:45 the heart and let me get it turned up here the 21:48 right way and talking with us about the heart is 21:50 Dr. Brian Schwartz, he is a cardiologist 21:53 from currently from Ohio. We're glad that you're 21:55 with us today. Well, thank you Don. 21:56 And you know you all day about the heart to 22:00 people and you know, you're in 22:01 Interventional Cardiologist, that's right, 22:04 that means you can do interventions. 22:06 I want to talk about you know, 22:08 people come in and they have these feelings like 22:11 their hearts jumping or different things and 22:13 what's happening with that? 22:15 Can you talk to us about these kind things? 22:17 I'm sure, we call those palpitations, 22:19 if you like your heart is skipping beats are 22:21 raising that can occur from several different 22:25 things probably the most serious cause is the 22:27 condition called Atrial Fibrillation. 22:29 Okay and where are the atria are? 22:31 Yeah, atrial fibrillation occurs when the upper 22:33 chambers of the heart and there are four main 22:35 chambers- two ventricles, two atriums. Okay, 22:37 so if I'd looking at this and I opened it up here 22:39 that would be let me just see where are those? 22:43 Now there they are. Right, so, hold it right 22:45 to the camera there. Atrium, the left atrium, 22:48 the right atrium around the upper parts, 22:49 the lower chambers are called ventricles. 22:51 Okay, so the atrial fibrillation is this part 22:53 kind of shaking? So, atrial fibrillation 22:55 absolutely occurs when the upper chamber may 22:58 stretch or dilute a little bit and then instead 23:00 of the natural pacemaker which is located up in 23:02 the right atrium taking over and controlling the 23:05 rhythm of the heart in a regular basis, 23:06 the whole upper chamber is just kind 23:09 of fibrillate, in a disorganized manner 23:10 and that's why we call it Fibrillation. 23:12 Now why is that so dangerous? 23:13 As you said, you said it's one of the 23:15 most dangerous things, why is that? 23:16 Yeah, it some, first of all it's a very 23:18 common condition one out every five people 23:20 over the age of 65 may develop it, 23:22 and the biggest risk is that it can be 23:25 unrecognized source of stroke. 23:27 When the upper chamber is just fibrillating 23:29 and not squeezing vigorously blood can 23:31 just pull and swell around in there 23:33 and eventually it could lead to small 23:34 blood clot forming. If that blood clot then 23:37 broccolis and travel up to the brain it could 23:39 cause a stroke. Okay. This is a common 23:41 cause of stroke. So, what do you do for that? 23:43 Can you help people with that? 23:45 Yeah, so the first thing is to recognize that 23:47 problem does exist. Sometimes we can just 23:52 use medicines to control the rhythm of the heart 23:54 and prevent the Atrial Fibrillation. 23:56 There are some special procedures where catheters 23:59 can be placed up into the heart that can clear 24:02 a scar that reduces the risk for 24:04 Atrial Fibrillation, but in the large group 24:07 of patients we have to use medications to prevent 24:09 a blood clot and so they would have to go on a 24:12 blood that are medication. And so there is really 24:14 not any kind of natural remedy for that. 24:16 They really need to see someone like you. 24:17 Yeah, if someone and truly has 24:19 Atrial Fibrillation, I'm not aware of any 24:22 supplements that would have in effect within the 24:25 blood enough to prevent that risk for stroke. 24:27 So, you said you can put it like a little tube up 24:28 there and cause some scarring, 24:30 and I imagine that just kind of makes it so it 24:31 can't fibrillate as much, is that the idea? 24:33 I'm gonna actually part of the reason why 24:36 fibrillation occurs is because, 24:37 if the atrium is too big it takes a long time for 24:40 the rhythm that travel all the way around 24:41 the heart. I see. If we can reduce the size 24:43 either by doing surgery and cutting out part of 24:47 the atrium or by creating a scar that isolates 24:50 the upper part of the atrium from the main body 24:52 of the atrium that has less tissue and it can 24:54 actually cause normal rhythm to be restoring. 24:58 Fascinating! So there is atrial 24:59 fibrillation or what other kind of rhythms do 25:01 you see? Okay, so commonly in 25:03 young people we'll see just occasional 25:05 skip beats. You know, it's not uncommon and 25:08 for young person to feel just to skipped 25:10 irritable beat that comes from the upper chamber 25:12 of the heart we call that a 25:13 Premature Atrial Contraction (PAC). 25:16 They may occur frequently and particularly during 25:20 periods of stress like someone oncologist taking 25:23 exams, they can change with, 25:25 change in the hormones, if someone becomes 25:27 pregnant it becomes very common, 25:31 excess caffeine makes the heart much more 25:33 irritable and it's much more like that it cause 25:35 PACs or extra beats. And then you can also have 25:38 a beat that comes from the lower chamber call the 25:40 PVC or Premature Ventricular Contraction. 25:42 So more dangerous? Not I think, 25:45 almost all of us, you and I probably 25:47 have a few of these everyday and we just don't 25:49 know this. Especially, when we work for the 25:50 cameras or something. That's right, 25:51 but when it becomes more frequent or if it were 25:54 to become continues a whole run of PVCs we 25:57 call them ventricular tachycardia that can be 25:59 life threatening and weak heart it. 26:01 So really to figure this out you need to see 26:02 someone like yourself, someone they can tell 26:05 you which is happening, get EKG, 26:07 look at that little bit closely. 26:09 Yeah, the most important thing is to identify 26:10 what type of rhythm it really is as we do that 26:12 either with an EKG or by wearing a hot monitor 26:14 for 24 hours and an echocardiogram to tell us 26:17 if the heart is stretched up. 26:20 We've been talking with Dr. Brian Schwartz, 26:21 we've been talking about these different 26:22 arrhythmias or heart palpitations and different 26:25 things that you may need to check out. 26:27 When you come to Newstart here 26:28 we do those kind of EKGs as well not everything 26:31 he's talked about, but some of it. 26:32 And we hope that today you've learnt 26:34 something that can help you with your heart 26:36 and help you have a Newstart right now, 26:38 if you want some more information go to our 26:40 website and we have some more there. 26:42 Thank you, for being with us doctor. 26:43 Well, you're very welcome. And thank you. 26:53 Hi, I hope you've enjoyed this as much as I have 26:55 this edition of Newstart now. 26:57 I'm Jim Brackett, Executive Vice President 27:00 here at the Weimar Center. I'm gonna take just a 27:03 moment to give you an idea of some of the 27:04 wonderful resources we have here at the book 27:06 store such as Dr. Nedley's book 27:08 called Proof Positive. Now, in addition to 27:11 Dr. Nedley's book he has a series on 27:13 Depression Recovery, we have the 27:15 Newstart Lifestyle series on DVD by our 27:18 Newstart physicians relating to 27:20 topics in diabetes, heart diseases, cancer. 27:23 We have a number of authors who have 27:25 cookbooks here including some in the raw field. 27:29 Now we'd loved to have you start buying visitors 27:31 for your shopping, but you can do it online 27:33 at newstart.com. 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