New Perceptions

My Journey To Purgatory (& Back)

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Participants: Pr. Dwight Nelson

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00:27 That raiseth me.
00:34 Still all my song shall be,
00:43 Nearer My God to Thee
00:50 Nearer My God
00:56 To Thee
00:59 Nearer to Thee
01:10 Though like the wanderer
01:16 The sun gone down
01:21 Darkness be over me
01:28 My rest a stone
01:33 Yet in my dreams I'd be
01:39 Nearer My God to Thee
01:46 Nearer My God to Thee
01:51 Nearer to Thee
02:00 Or if on joyful wing
02:06 Cleaving the sky
02:11 Sun, moon and stars forgot
02:18 Upward I fly
02:23 Still all my song shall be
02:29 Nearer my God to Thee
02:35 Nearer my God to Thee
02:42 Nearer to Thee
05:47 Thank you, Music Festival Brass Ensemble.
05:50 Beautiful and more of that is happening
05:51 at 4 o'clock, is that right?
05:53 Howard Performing Art Center, God bless you.
05:56 Thank you, Douglas Smith, as well.
05:59 Let's pray together.
06:01 Oh, God, You're our Sheppard,
06:06 it's an old Lagrangian metaphor
06:08 but it speaks of tenderness as well as strength.
06:14 In today's teaching shepherd us through be front in centre.
06:19 We pray in Jesus name, amen.
06:24 I know this is gonna sound a bit strange
06:29 but because of the kindness of a friend
06:32 I have been to purgatory.
06:35 Little over ten years ago, we were counting down to
06:44 a global satellite event called NET'98.
06:50 And this friend felt that we needed a little bit of RNR
06:54 before that big event came and so he send us to purgatory
06:59 and I'm telling you we came back so refreshed.
07:03 Any body gives me an opportunity again
07:05 to go to purgatory I go in a heartbeat.
07:08 We're talking about purgatory Colorado,
07:11 beautiful mountain side resort outside Durango.
07:18 So truth in advertising I have been to purgatory.
07:23 But I have also been to the purgatory
07:25 that you may have been thinking of,
07:28 been there intellectually.
07:33 I was having Bible studies
07:34 with a Roman Catholic college professor
07:38 not far from here.
07:41 We are getting into the word together,
07:43 actually when we began the studies
07:45 he was a protestant college professor
07:48 but he fell in love with a Roman Catholic woman
07:51 and converted to Catholicism.
07:54 After his conversion he said hey Dwight,
07:55 we got to study now the big differences.
07:58 What shall we study?
08:00 I said, what do you say we study purgatory.
08:03 He said, that's a deal. So we agreed.
08:06 We would each write a paper.
08:08 He would write a paper defending
08:10 the teaching of purgatory
08:12 and I would write a paper questioning it.
08:16 We exchanged papers
08:20 but after that I never heard from him again.
08:25 Repeated emails, repeated telephone calls,
08:30 visits to his office where he teaches, to no avail,
08:36 leading me to conclude that perhaps his silence
08:40 was a tacit recognition
08:45 of the position in that paper that I had shared with him.
08:52 We have some Roman Catholic friends of mine
08:54 who are here right now.
08:58 We have some Roman Catholic friends I do,
09:03 listening on the radio, right now,
09:06 watching television right now.
09:09 And for you I wish you would allow me to share
09:12 just a -- just a-- just a synopsis
09:16 of what I share with my college professor friend.
09:19 Now for the rest of you who may not be familiar
09:22 with the Roman Catholic teaching of purgatory,
09:24 here is a brief summary, all right.
09:27 This is from the latest Catechism
09:28 of the Catholic churches
09:30 this would be sections 1030 and 1031.
09:33 I'll put it on the screen for you.
09:35 Quoting from the Catechism,
09:37 "All who die in God's grace and friendship,
09:40 but still imperfectly purified,
09:43 are indeed assured of their eternal salvation,
09:45 but after death they undergo purification,
09:48 so as to achieve the holiness necessary
09:51 to enter the joy of heaven."
09:54 The Catechism goes on.
09:55 "The Church gives the name Purgatory
09:57 to this final purification of the elect,
10:01 which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned,
10:03 which would be hell.
10:05 The tradition of the Church,
10:06 by reference to certain texts of Scripture,
10:08 speaks of a cleansing fire."
10:13 Rome teaches that God has provided
10:16 a burning cleansing fire into which all who have died
10:21 and who would be saved must go
10:23 before they can be fully and finally saved
10:25 into the joy of heaven and enter the beatific vision of God.
10:31 Those who died with venial sins,
10:34 is our sins for which there is divine forgiveness
10:39 but those who died with venial sins
10:43 would then go to purgatory to pay the temple punishment
10:45 for their already forgiven sins.
10:48 But those who died with mortal sins unconfessed.
10:52 The only way a mortal sin can be forgiven is
10:54 if it is confessed in the sacrament of the confession
10:57 but if they die with mortal sins unconfessed
11:00 they will go straight to hell to pay the eternal punishment
11:03 for their now never to be forgiven sins.
11:07 The fires of purgatory in hell are identical.
11:11 The difference is in the function of the fires.
11:13 Purgatory fires are for temporary cleansing
11:15 and hell fires are for eternal punishment.
11:19 Now Rome further teaches and provides
11:21 that once tenure or length of stay in purgatory
11:25 after death can be adjusted or shortened
11:29 by penitential and sacrificial acts of the living
11:32 before they die and by penitential and sacrificial acts
11:36 performed by the living on behalf of the dead
11:39 who are already in purgatory.
11:42 Hence, the pope can offer what are called indulgences,
11:47 where in the sinners temporal punishment in purgatory
11:50 can be reduced through a particle indulgence
11:53 or eliminated through a plenary or full indulgence.
11:58 That is why Roman priest perform memorial masses for the dead
12:01 giving the surviving family members an opportunity
12:04 to procure a reduced sentence in purgatory
12:08 for that deceased loved one.
12:10 Now here is the question, does the Bible teach
12:15 a further cleanse of sinners after they have died
12:20 and before they enter heaven?
12:24 The answer to that question obviously
12:26 will determine the veracity of the doctrine of purgatory.
12:29 In my paper to my college professor friend,
12:32 I begin, and by the way,
12:34 the paper is posted on our website.
12:36 Its there right now, you will be download it
12:39 and study it for yourself.
12:41 In that paper, I begin with a single text
12:43 and I wish for the few moments you and I have together,
12:46 let's begin with that same text.
12:47 Open your Bible please to the New Testament
12:49 it would be the Book of Hebrews.
12:51 The Book of Hebrews--
12:53 by the way if you didn't bring a Bible
12:54 grab the pew Bible in front of you
12:55 because you gonna want to trace this one.
12:57 Just-- just keep your mind open,
13:01 we were into the word together.
13:03 The Book of Hebrews
13:04 that be the towards the end of the New Testament
13:06 if you-- if you grab the pew Bible
13:08 which is the New King James Version
13:10 it will be page 808 in the pew Bible.
13:13 I'm in the Today's New International Version the TNIV
13:17 and that will be the words that are on the screen.
13:20 All right, Hebrews Chapter 9,
13:22 please find Hebrews Chapter 9, Hebrews Chapter 9.
13:27 Let's being the very end of Hebrews Chapter 9:27
13:31 "Just as people are destined to die once,
13:35 and after that to face judgment,"
13:40 so verse 28
13:41 "Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many,
13:45 and he will appear a second time,"
13:46 by the way that's the only place in all the scripture
13:49 where the return of Christ is called the second appearing.
13:53 It's the only place which is called the second coming.
13:55 "He will appear a second time not to bear sin,
13:58 but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him."
14:03 Ladies and Gentlemen, the sequence of the human journey is
14:06 in this passage are mistakable.
14:07 Here is the human journey,
14:09 we're all on this journey, right?
14:10 Life, that's where we all are right now.
14:13 Death, after death judgment
14:17 after which comes the return of Christ.
14:20 Notice, we live, we die and when we die
14:24 the record of our life is closed
14:26 it goes to the judgment and then Christ returns.
14:32 I-- there is no further adjustment to our lives
14:40 or cleansing of our hearts once we die
14:45 because death is the close of human probation.
14:51 That point is so critical I need you to scribbling it down.
14:52 Right now, pull out your study guide please
14:54 it stocked away in your worship bulletin today.
14:56 Pull out your study guide, jot that down.
15:01 Our friend the usher's thank you,
15:02 are going to quickly come by you in the overflow
15:06 up in the balcony and here in the sanctuary as well.
15:09 I want to make sure the Brass by the way,
15:10 usher's, can we send an usher up here up,
15:12 I like the brass to have the study guide as well.
15:16 All right, other ways can you come and serve our guests,
15:20 we are so glad to have them
15:21 and I like them to be able to follow on as well.
15:24 All right, to those who are watching by the way
15:26 we are delighted to have you.
15:27 It doesn't matter what you believe we don't believe
15:29 for the next few movements
15:30 I hope you will find this study fascinating.
15:32 Get the same study guide
15:33 I'll put it on the screen for you right now,
15:35 go to our website www you see there www.pmchurch.tv.
15:42 This is the final piece in a little three part mini series
15:45 called the truth about hell.
15:47 The teaching today that raps it up
15:49 my journey to purgatory and back.
15:51 And by the way those of you going to the website right now,
15:53 you will also see there special paper on purgatory.
15:57 You click there you will have that paper
15:58 for you later brooding and study.
16:01 So, get the study guide download it
16:03 and please join us, keep your hands up
16:06 our ushers are coming your way.
16:08 Let's go a head and put that first line in though,
16:10 we are ready to go.
16:11 Death marks the end of human probation.
16:15 You say, what's the big deal, Dwight, who cares?
16:17 Hold on, hold on, hold on, just give me a moment.
16:19 Death marks the end of human probation.
16:21 IE, once we die, our eternal destiny is decided.
16:29 Now this needs to be very clear right here.
16:34 There is no-- please don't miss understand this.
16:39 There is no second chance.
16:45 The teaching of purgatory offers a subtle second chance
16:49 sort of theology where in
16:50 if you don't make it in this life
16:52 you can always depend on the after life
16:54 one more opportunity to be cleansed
16:57 so that you can saved and ready for heaven.
16:59 By the way, protestants let us not be too hard
17:01 on our Roman Catholic friends
17:02 for we protestant have also invented
17:06 a non biblical second chance opportunity
17:09 its human nature they want a second chance,
17:12 nobody wants to say curtains, finish, this is it.
17:15 And so what if protestants come up with,
17:17 they have come up with what's called the secret rapture.
17:19 Jesus comes secretly and people that are ready go with Him.
17:22 Then you got if your wife is missing
17:24 you got seven years buddy, to really get ready this time.
17:28 Its second chance theology
17:29 and when He comes the third time
17:31 hopefully you will be ready.
17:32 We all want a second chance
17:35 and that's why this teaching is so urgent.
17:37 The Bible say, hey time out, time out
17:39 there is no second chance not-- not before Jesus comes
17:43 not after death its death is it.
17:46 Human probation closes at death.
17:51 Are you thinking well, this is just
17:52 a little something from Hebrews,
17:53 oh, Bible doesn't support this.
17:54 Oh, let me take you now to the Bible's last book.
17:57 We were just in Hebrews now
17:58 let's go to the last book of the Bible.
17:59 In fact, this is the last page of your Bible.
18:03 Find the last page of the New Testament
18:05 it should be Revelation 22,
18:07 take a look at Jesus mighty exclamation
18:11 as He is returning the second time.
18:14 This is what He says, find the last page
18:17 of Revelation, the apocalypse, I'm finding that too.
18:21 Revelation 22, take a look at this.
18:24 Just one line this is almost if you have a Red Letter Bible,
18:27 you can see this is the next of the last red letter line
18:30 in all of Holy Scripture, all right.
18:32 So this would be verse 12, Revelation 22:12,
18:38 "Look," as Jesus speaking "I am coming.
18:41 My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone
18:44 according to what they have done."
18:48 Oh, boy, grab your pen real quick scribble that now.
18:51 We know that when Christ returns to the earth the second time,
18:55 He comes bringing his reward with him.
18:58 Key point, He comes with His reward.
19:03 So keep your pen moving.
19:04 That reward presupposes a prior judgment
19:07 has already taken place
19:08 rendered for every human being before Christ returns.
19:11 That reward some decision has already been made.
19:15 That's the timeline.
19:16 Look folks, the timeline for Hebrews 9,
19:18 timeline for Revelation 22 is the same.
19:22 Same time line-- life, start with life
19:25 that's where we all are, then will come death
19:28 after death judgment rendering of a decision
19:31 after that the return of Christ.
19:34 Identical timeline.
19:37 This timeline is vital for a challenges
19:40 the teaching that death is followed by an indefinite time
19:43 of purgatory of cleansing after which
19:45 there is a final judgment as Rome teaches.
19:48 No, no, no key point its all over at death,
19:52 everything is over.
19:54 Which is why life, come on guys, life is so critical.
19:58 Aren't you glad for life?
19:59 Hallelujah, think of the alternative.
20:03 We are glad to be alive but life right now is critical.
20:06 Jot it down.
20:08 Death does not transition in Holy Scripture
20:10 to human cleansing, but rather to divine judgment.
20:15 Once we died its over,
20:17 our eternal destinies are sealed.
20:18 Oh, man Dwight, I'm-- I'm gonna fear this death that
20:21 if this is the final curtain oh, my I don't want to go.
20:25 Hey, listen nobody wants to die
20:27 but I want to tell you
20:28 why you don't have to be afraid of death.
20:30 The same apocalypse tells us
20:32 why we don't have to be afraid of that
20:34 which might happen to us after we die.
20:36 This is a beautiful depiction of death.
20:38 Just turn a few pages back to Revelation 14.
20:41 You don't need a page number.
20:42 Revelation 14 just a few pages back
20:47 take a look at this description of death.
20:50 I mean, who would be afraid of death if this is the truth.
20:53 If the Bible is, the truth about death no need to be afraid.
20:55 Look at this,
21:01 "Then I heard a voice from heaven saying,"
21:03 all right, this is the voice of God,
21:05 "I heard a voice from heaven saying,
21:07 'Write, Blessed are the dead'"
21:11 when you approach death
21:12 you don't have to approach it with fear.
21:13 What's gonna happen to me after I die?
21:14 No, no, no, "Blessed are the dead
21:18 who die in the Lord from now on."
21:20 "Yes," the spirit pipes it.
21:22 "'Yes,' says the Spirit,
21:24 'they will rest from their labor,
21:27 for their deeds will follow them."
21:30 Death, rest and now notice the very next line--
21:35 you see that window right up there,
21:36 you see that window high above the--
21:38 we call it the rose window in this church
21:40 that window is being described in the very next verse
21:42 which is verse 14
21:43 "And I looked, and there before me
21:45 was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud
21:49 was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head
21:52 and a sharp sickle in his hand."
21:55 Death, rest, second coming.
22:00 Oh, would you jot that down please.
22:02 What follows death for the one who believes in Christ
22:04 is rest and repose, not burning and suffering.
22:08 You don't have to be afraid
22:11 for what's awaiting you after death.
22:12 Its rest and repose.
22:14 Death doesn't come to the friends of God
22:16 is some kind of door way to punishment.
22:18 Death comes-- jot it down, death comes as a divine sleep
22:22 for the child and friend of God.
22:24 Sleep, that's it.
22:30 You know what if that's true then you want the best,
22:34 you want the best death by confession
22:35 you could ever give in our life.
22:36 I'm gonna share with you right now,
22:37 you are gonna read it and you are gonna say,
22:39 oh, boy, Dwight, when I die
22:40 I want to die with those words on my lips.
22:42 I want to take you to the greatest death bed
22:44 testimony you can give.
22:46 Only the man is not death bed.
22:47 Karen and I were in Rome back in May
22:50 and we went down into the Mamertine dungeon
22:53 where it is reputed with strong historical reliability
22:57 that Paul himself was incrassated
22:59 in that subterranean hole.
23:01 We climb down into that hole awaiting his final
23:05 it would be beheaded, all right.
23:07 So these are the last words he writes before his beheading.
23:12 I want you to note the spirit
23:15 with which you can approach death.
23:17 You need to turn back to 2 Timothy.
23:20 Let me give you page number
23:21 if you have the pew Bible it will be page 801.
23:22 Just a few-- we got to go back past Hebrews.
23:26 Just a few books back 2 Timothy
23:29 the last will and testament of Paul.
23:32 This is so beautiful. Memorize these words.
23:35 When you come to your death and I come to mine,
23:37 I want to be able to repeat these words
23:39 as I'm breathing my last.
23:41 This is beautiful.
23:42 This is what Paul is doing, he knows he is about to die,
23:44 this would be 2 Timothy 4:6
23:47 "For I am already being
23:48 poured out like a drink offering,"
23:50 I hate, hey guys, I know its curtains for me,
23:52 I have hours or may be days who knows,
23:55 "I am already being poured out like a drink offering,
23:57 and the time for my departure is near."
24:01 I'm gonna die.
24:02 Notice verse 7, "I have fought the good fight,
24:06 I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
24:11 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness,
24:14 which the Lord, the righteous Judge,
24:16 will award to me on that day and not only to me,
24:19 but also to all who have longed for his appearing."
24:22 Isn't that amazing?
24:23 Would you jot that down please?
24:24 Death for the Christian, get this down never forget it.
24:28 Death for the Christian means the race is finished,
24:32 it means the faith has been kept
24:36 and it means the verdict of the judgment
24:38 is already assured.
24:40 You say Dwight, can you really show that?
24:42 Of course, you can.
24:43 He just said it number 1 but number 2
24:45 let me tell you a word Paul uses here,
24:47 you know that word for crown
24:48 and crown is being set a side for me.
24:51 The Greek word for crown is stephanos.
24:54 From what's come-- once comes the names
24:56 Steven or Stephanie.
24:58 It means that, its in the Greek Olympics
25:01 when you-- excuse me, when you cross the finish line
25:04 they gave you this little laurel wreath
25:06 it's a little green thing that went around your head
25:08 that was a crown stephanos.
25:09 It's the crown of victory. So it's talking about a race.
25:14 Hey listen, I love races, I love to race
25:16 every time there is a race here on the campus
25:18 I sign and pay my five dollars so that I can run in the race.
25:21 And for me the reason that races are so fun
25:24 is because it's such great fellowship.
25:26 I get to talk to everybody who is running,
25:28 pass me towards the finish line.
25:29 I just talk to them as they come by,
25:30 hey, hey I see, I'll see you at the end.
25:33 Yeah, nice running, shot. Set a place for me.
25:35 That kind of thing, because you just interact with people
25:38 as they run by you.
25:39 And its-- its just is a great experience.
25:43 I don't know a lot about races, all right.
25:44 Look, I don't know a lot about races
25:47 but this much I do know, when you cross the finish line
25:51 you don't have to run a few extra laps
25:54 just to make sure you are qualified for the race.
25:59 I repeat, when you cross
26:02 the finish line the race is over.
26:07 There aren't a few more laps through purgatory
26:10 just to make sure you are really qualified to finish the race.
26:16 All right, jot it down, when you come
26:18 to the threshold of death,
26:20 you cross the finish line of life and salvation.
26:24 Death is the take to, you will run through it
26:29 life is over and salvation is over.
26:32 Salvation is over, there is nothing
26:35 anybody can do for you now.
26:37 That's why this teaching is so critical.
26:39 Don't-- don't, don't, don't rest your hopes
26:44 on somebody doing a little bit of adjusting
26:47 and cleansing afterwards.
26:51 You can't.
26:52 Once you cross the finish line every race, every racer knows
26:55 it's over you can't run again.
26:58 It's over. That's the point.
27:02 Bad news, there is no second chance after death.
27:08 Good news you don't need a second chance after death
27:11 you have a Savior before death.
27:14 That's the good news
27:15 that's why Paul can be so utterly confident.
27:18 I mean did you notice this?
27:20 My Roman Catholic friends, I want to ask you
27:21 did you notice there is no--
27:22 there is no trace of fear in his voice.
27:25 There is no anxiety like, I don't know,
27:27 I don't know it's gonna be painful I know once I die.
27:30 There is none of that.
27:32 Paul says look it, look it, look it
27:33 I know that little stephanos,
27:36 that little wreath has been put on the shelf
27:38 of God's living room and one day when I come out of death
27:41 and I wake up from that sleep
27:43 I'm gonna get that stephanos on my head and not--
27:46 by the way not only for me but for everybody
27:48 who loves the appearing of Christ.
27:52 Oh, that's why Paul has no calms no questions.
27:57 He is decided who a Savior is.
27:59 In fact, look at this turn just two pages back
28:01 to 1 Timothy 1, I mean 2 Timothy 1 same book 2 Timothy
28:05 notice verse 12,
28:07 here is why Paul is so unequivocal and unafraid.
28:10 Verse 12, "That is why I am suffering."
28:12 He says, look guys, I really I'm suffering.
28:13 This hole that I'm in its bad that's why I'm suffering as I'm.
28:18 Yet, watch this "This is no cause for shame,
28:21 because I know whom I have believed,
28:24 and I am convinced that he is able to guard
28:27 what I have entrusted to him until that day."
28:29 When He comes I'm not worried I got the crown.
28:32 It's already set up for me
28:35 because when I cross that finish line,
28:38 the race is over, it's over.
28:43 Wow, how can anyone be so unabashedly confident
28:48 on the eve of His impending death?
28:50 Ladies and gentlemen,
28:51 it's called the Everlasting Gospel.
28:53 Some people call it therefore ever and ever good news.
28:58 So we exchange these papers, all right?
29:01 My Roman Catholic college professor friend
29:04 in his paper to me,
29:06 he said, Dwight,
29:07 I have to have cleansing.
29:10 I have read Matthew 5:48
29:12 "Be there for perfect as your father in heaven is perfect."
29:15 I'm not perfect
29:17 I know that when I die I'll not be perfect
29:19 I want to be Holy as God is Holy.
29:22 That's why I need a purgatory.
29:25 I want to tell you something,
29:27 I really admire that friend-- that professor friend of mine.
29:32 You know why?
29:33 Because he has a heart longing to be like God.
29:38 I want to be Holy like God.
29:40 I want to be perfect like God.
29:43 I wish people who believe what I believe
29:46 have the same passion of longing.
29:49 I really do, instead of settling for second,
29:52 third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eight best
29:55 and just dribbling through life
29:58 half like God and half like this planet.
30:06 My Catholic professor friend says, Dwight,
30:08 it got to be holy place,
30:10 that's why I need purgatory.
30:11 I'll tell you what are you my friend,
30:13 I have a verse for you
30:15 go right back here to Hebrews 9
30:16 where was it, we were in Hebrew 9, look at Hebrews 10.
30:19 We will end up right here.
30:21 Look at Hebrews 10,
30:22 my Roman Catholic friend everything you hunger for
30:26 that which you are passionate thrusting for
30:28 here it is, here it is.
30:30 I want you to see this
30:31 back to Hebrews chapter-- Hebrews Chapter 10.
30:35 We were in Hebrews 9 now we are in Hebrews 10
30:38 its words are written for you.
30:39 Oh, my.
30:41 Hebrews 10:10
30:43 "And by that will," now, watch this,
30:45 "we have been made holy through the sacrifice
30:49 of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
30:56 And now notice verse 14,
30:57 "For by one sacrifice he has made perfect
31:00 forever those who are being made holy."
31:06 Would you jot this down please?
31:08 Jesus' death was a once for all sacrifice for all!
31:14 In other words, it doesn't have to be repeated
31:17 not in history again and again and again.
31:20 Not in the mass again and gain and gain.
31:24 It doesn't have to be.
31:25 It was a once for all for all sacrifice.
31:33 And notice
31:35 and here I affirm the longing of this friend of mine.
31:37 Please notice verse 14, in fact, jot verse 14,
31:39 I set it up there in the study guides
31:41 you can just jot it down.
31:42 "For by one sacrifice he has made perfect."
31:45 Remember my friend, he said Dwight,
31:47 I got to be perfect.
31:48 By one sacrifice he has made perfect forever
31:52 those who are being made.
31:53 He said, Dwight, I got to be holy.
31:55 I want to be holy like God.
31:57 Through one sacrifice he has made perfect forever
31:59 those who are being made holy.
32:01 The very longing of my Roman Catholic professor friend
32:04 is provided in the once for all sacrifice on Calvary.
32:09 Isn't this amazing?
32:10 The very holiness and perfection
32:12 that God calls for He himself provides
32:16 in the gift of Jesus Christ on Calvary.
32:18 What kind of a God is this,
32:20 who sets the bar so infinity high,
32:22 we can never reach that bar
32:23 and then He says, I'll step in as the infinite one
32:26 and cover the distance on your behalf.
32:29 Ladies and gentlemen, it's called the everlasting gospel.
32:32 Some people call it therefore for ever and ever good news.
32:36 That means its good news
32:37 at the beginning of human history
32:38 and it will still be good news at the end of human history.
32:43 My, oh, my.
32:48 Like that old gospel song sings nothing but the blood of Jesus.
32:53 Yeah, my holiness, my perfection
32:58 they are not contingent on my penance.
33:00 Today, our God's purgatory tomorrow it's all I needed.
33:05 I have done it.
33:07 This is the only time you have boy,
33:10 this is where your probation is.
33:12 Take what I have done, run with it
33:15 you'll cross the finish line perfectly, perfectly
33:20 if you are running with Me.
33:23 And then look at this only gets better.
33:25 Go down to verse 21,
33:26 "And since we have a great priest
33:30 over the house of God" that would be the--
33:32 we have a great priest over the church of God.
33:36 I wish you jot that down.
33:37 Christ is not only our great sacrifice,
33:39 He is our great priest over the church.
33:44 The doctrine of purgatory teaches
33:47 that the pope and his representatives
33:49 the priest have the authority to administer purgatory
33:52 by their discussionary decisions
33:54 whether to remit entirely or partially the penalty of sins
33:58 being suffered by the tens of thousands of souls
34:01 who are detained in those cleansing fires.
34:06 That's why they offering indulgences.
34:07 It might be a partial easing of the punishment
34:10 or could be a full emission of the penalty
34:12 for all the sins before this movement
34:15 but it's the call, it's their call
34:17 they make the decision will it be partial or primary.
34:22 My dear friends, there is one priest
34:25 capital 'P' Priest in the universe,
34:29 who by his life and death and resurrection is nearly one
34:34 how can decide life and death for the human race.
34:38 He is the only one.
34:41 He is the only one.
34:46 Verse 21 again, "And since we have a great priest
34:49 over the house of God," now, I love 22,
34:51 "Let us draw near to God
34:53 with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith,
34:56 having our hearts sprinkled."
34:57 Here it comes, "To cleanse us from a guilty conscience
35:02 and having our bodies washed with pure water."
35:06 Talking about cleansing and purification
35:08 not after death one day you can have it today,
35:10 you can have it right now,
35:11 in this split second in this very place
35:14 you can be cleansed you can be clean
35:17 for ever and ever.
35:20 Right now,
35:25 one of the joys of having to drive your car
35:28 in the winter around this place
35:31 and we thought spring was coming.
35:34 One of the Joys is that by driving on these roads
35:38 you get that awful slugging salt
35:41 and muck splashed and splattered all over your car.
35:48 It's one of my favorite rituals of the week
35:50 comes on a Friday afternoon when I drive down to the--
35:53 drive my old Blazer down to the village car wash.
35:56 I can hardly wait for this.
35:58 I'll put the five dollars in
36:00 only the express wash not a penny more.
36:04 I put the five dollars in
36:08 you are not driving the door in front of me
36:10 because its winter is closed
36:12 I'm all alone, the doors are locked
36:15 and nobody can take me out now.
36:19 And then oh, boy, oh, boy,
36:22 when those high powered jet spray
36:25 begin to spit out that blue foam
36:28 and they cover my old car
36:30 so even the windows are all covered
36:32 and I really I'm alone, then I know this is what
36:36 I have been living for this week
36:40 because that foam that foam which is drip
36:43 and as it drips I'm saying bring it on,
36:46 bring on it high pressured rids
36:48 bring it on
36:52 and when I drive out of there
36:54 it is the cleanest car in Berrien County, hallelujah.
37:00 Ladies and Gentlemen, that is precisely
37:02 what the gospel declares happens.
37:05 Look at this, is it-- can you believe this 1 John,
37:08 put it on the screen, 1 John 1:7,
37:12 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light,
37:16 we have fellowship with one another"
37:18 now, hold on, hold on "and the blood of Jesus,
37:21 His Son, purifies" the New King James says,
37:24 cleanses us from how many sins,
37:27 how many sins you tell me? All sins."
37:30 Does that mean all sins in my past? Yep.
37:32 Does that mean the sins I did last night? Yep.
37:33 Does that mean the sins today? Yep.
37:35 Every sin you have ever committed
37:40 is cleansed, it's cleansed.
37:43 Ah, Dwight, come on give that, give me that.
37:45 How do I do it?
37:46 Which button do I pick--
37:48 do I go through the express wash
37:49 or what which one?
37:50 I'm telling you folks,
37:52 this is the most express cleansing in the universe
37:54 and it's the most lasting and you get it this way.
37:59 Not charge, no arms giving,
38:04 no good works,
38:11 nothing but this.
38:12 Watch this, verse 9,
38:15 "If we confess our sins, he" God "is faithful
38:21 and just and will forgive us our sins
38:24 and purify us from" how much unrighteousness.
38:28 What is it say, ladies and gentlemen oh, oh, oh,
38:31 our sin, our righteousness, our stains, our mock,
38:37 our guilty sludge high powered and in a split seconds.
38:45 The cleansing form of Calvary
38:47 just eats away what it has got,
38:51 your art and chocked your life
38:57 just like that, hallelujah.
39:02 William Copper it's spelt Cowper
39:05 but it really is pronounced Copper was a--
39:08 state of asylum four times in his life,
39:11 attempted to end his life by suicide three times.
39:15 He struggled with the meaning of the gospel.
39:17 He struggled but every now and then
39:20 the good news of the everlasting gospel
39:22 would break through
39:23 and one day William Copper sat down
39:26 and he scribbled out these words,
39:28 "There is a fountain filled with blood
39:31 drawn from Emmanuel's veins,
39:35 and sinners plunged beneath that flood
39:37 lose all, all, all their guilty stains."
39:43 Did that old hymn just make it up?
39:46 Nope, we just saw it.
39:48 It is the teaching of the gospel.
39:53 You don't need a cleansing after you die
39:55 because there ain't nothing left to change after you die.
40:01 You need the cleansing now.
40:05 Don't wait, don't you put it off, don't you dare.
40:09 Ha but its is all wrapped up in Jesus,
40:11 no wonder there is verse 23,
40:13 "Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess,
40:17 for he who promised is faithful."
40:25 You cannot save yourself, my friend,
40:30 you cannot.
40:31 Look if you and I paid the penalty long enough
40:33 could we finally pay off for oh, God
40:35 you know what you could be punished for ever and ever.
40:38 You could never pay it off.
40:40 My sin is so deeply ingrained into my very--
40:43 the very core of my being I can't pay it off.
40:48 I can't go to the merits of the treasury
40:52 of Christ in Mary and the saints
40:54 that treasury of merits.
40:55 I can't draw on that.
40:59 I can't-- I can't by performing deeds
41:03 as a protestant, good deeds.
41:06 I can't by worshiping on God's day.
41:10 I can't save myself.
41:11 I can return as much money as you wish.
41:14 I can't buy salvation.
41:16 It isn't bought by somebody who is faithful
41:18 in his stewardship.
41:20 You can't earn heaven,
41:23 its impossible not enough life times
41:27 for you to achieve enough money in that bank.
41:32 You and I are bankrupt, we are bankrupt.
41:36 Our only hope is that Jesus saves.
41:42 It is a fountain filled with blood
41:44 drawn from Emmanuel's veins
41:45 and sinners plunged beneath that flood
41:47 lose all their guilty stains.
41:51 So, here is the question,
41:53 is it good news no purgatory?
41:57 I must tell you there isn't a theologian
41:59 that knows the Holy Scripture
42:00 who will tell you there is purgatory.
42:03 Not from Holy Scripture there is no purgatory
42:07 and how about in this series the truth of hell,
42:09 well, we have discovered that hell is yet future
42:11 and it is of a short duration.
42:13 Is that good news? Is it?
42:17 I want to be honest with you,
42:19 As I got ready for this little mini series
42:20 I really struggle in my heart
42:21 and said God, I'm gonna blow this.
42:23 I just knew I'm gonna blow this.
42:24 My thumbing human inadequacy
42:27 to somehow takes the glory of the divine character
42:31 and I thumbed a ball.
42:35 I'll drop it in the middle of my examination.
42:39 And that's why we began this mini series with Calvary
42:41 we went to the cross. Why we go to cross?
42:44 Because Calvary is the only paradigm in human existence
42:47 in which we can measure what hell really will be.
42:51 Jesus died the second death that He died the death of hell.
42:54 That's why we went to the cross
42:56 and then when we are through that
42:57 last week did you notice
42:58 we pulled up the parental paradigm
42:59 and we said listen, Jesus when He told us,
43:02 we are going to pray one prayer in this life.
43:03 Here is the way you are supposed to pray.
43:04 Our Father.
43:06 He said, I just want you to call God Father.
43:12 And when we saw the paradigm of God as a Father,
43:16 when we saw the paradigm of God as a father
43:18 we had to ask the question about the caricature
43:21 how could it be that a father could burn
43:24 and torture his children forever and ever and ever.
43:27 Stop daddy, stop, I had enough punishment.
43:29 No, no, no you are gonna keep burning forever and ever.
43:32 What father, what father
43:35 would ever treat his children that way?
43:38 Take me to that father, take me to that father,
43:43 he won't be a father of love.
43:45 He cannot be.
43:47 You're saying okay, Dwight, okay, okay, okay.
43:49 But I tell you what I got a question,
43:52 why would God have hell at all?
43:54 He shouldn't have hell at all.
43:56 Now, what's the point of --
43:58 Revelation 20 says that the lost are like the sands of the sea.
44:00 You mean you are just gonna blow them away.
44:03 I mean is there a parent who would even though that--
44:07 even though that little child is so naughty
44:10 is there a parent who wouldn't do everything she could,
44:13 is there a mother who wouldn't save that child.
44:15 If she could save that child,
44:17 no matter how naughty the child
44:19 and you're saying that God does it.
44:23 I want to end the story
44:25 I want to end the whole series
44:26 with a story, it's a true story
44:29 and through its feeble efforts
44:32 may be one last glimpse of the love of God.
44:37 It happened on a Friday afternoon.
44:42 Telephone in the parsonage
44:44 rang in Salem, Oregon where we are living,
44:49 a voice screaming on the other end,
44:51 the voice of a parishioner of mine.
44:53 We can't find Georgie. We can't find Georgie, Georgie.
44:58 It was six year old Georgie,
45:00 full of nick, full of life their only child.
45:04 I leaped into my car raised over the interstate
45:07 just a few blocks away
45:08 by the time I got there the police were there.
45:12 And they found him.
45:15 You see, they had a backyard pool
45:20 and over the winter months alga as it will happen
45:24 just grew dark and green
45:27 and there was no way that frantic mother
45:30 could see beneath the alga.
45:35 The EMT's were performing CPR on Georgie's lifeless body.
45:40 We raced behind the ambulance to the hospital in Salem.
45:44 First ER then ICU.
45:49 Georgie was on life support
45:51 the doctors were fighting to raise his body's temperature.
45:54 They are wrapping him
45:55 and silver heat retaining aluminum blankets
45:58 and fusing floods into him.
45:59 We sat with those numb parents for six long hours.
46:06 But the medical team
46:07 tried every experiment they could conceive
46:11 in an attempt to save little Georgie's life.
46:14 Finally sometime just a few minutes after midnight
46:18 the doctor came out and gently
46:23 but plainly described to the parents
46:28 that they have done every thing they could think of.
46:30 They are just its nothing.
46:34 Georgie was on life support
46:36 there is no chance, there really is no chance
46:40 we will ever be able to save him.
46:43 And I sat there and watched
46:49 as two parents agonized
46:53 over what to do with their only child.
46:57 I tell you what, listen to me carefully.
47:00 Only a parent could understand
47:05 the agony of that decision.
47:08 Only a parent could understand.
47:13 I sat there as they made their decision
47:20 to unplug the life support
47:23 and let their only child die.
47:30 Only, a parent could understand the agony.
47:38 Now that choice that he will have to make one day
47:45 and there will be a billion parents beneath
47:47 his great white throne
47:51 who will in a very limited measure know
47:55 the love and the agony of the God
48:02 who must make the only loving decision
48:05 a heart broken parent can make
48:09 to turn off the life support system
48:13 for a child that can never be saved now.
48:17 And let her die,
48:20 let him die for ever and ever, amen.
48:26 And then it will be hells darkest movement
48:32 when God buries His head in His hands
48:37 and cries in inconsolably and all who have choose
48:41 God over Lucifer will also weep with Him
48:45 for at last they have seen the truth
48:49 God is love
48:54 for ever and ever, amen.
49:16 We cannot end this series
49:20 without making a decision.
49:24 We cannot end this.
49:28 I have to make an appeal to you right now,
49:32 this is it, there is no second opportunity
49:36 there is no second life this is all we get.
49:43 I'll make a invitation to you right now,
49:47 it doesn't matter in what religious community
49:50 you belong to right now.
49:52 I want to make an invitation.
49:55 Would you be willing to join me today right now,
50:01 in asking the Christ of this gospel
50:06 to provide the cleansing of his promise
50:12 and cleanse every sin
50:14 you have ever sinned in your past.
50:19 Every sin you and I have ever sinned today.
50:25 And then ask Him everyday for the rest of our lives
50:33 to forgive us and cleanse us
50:37 from all unrighteousness.
50:42 There is no catch to this.
50:43 This isn't like, well, you got to join
50:44 my church in order to do this.
50:46 Are you-- are you kidding me?
50:49 This is global good news all you have to do
50:54 is ask Jesus to be your Savior
50:58 and wash you in the heart wash of the gospel
51:03 and like that you are clean,
51:07 you are pure, you are saved.
51:11 How about it, I think,
51:14 I think we have to cease this moment don't you,
51:17 reaffirm or for the first time make the decision.
51:23 You don't have to put your hand on a television set,
51:24 I'm not into that.
51:28 But if you are watching right now
51:29 and I know you are you just raise you hand.
51:34 There is nobody in the room but God.
51:38 Can you say God,
51:41 please right now,
51:46 I want to be clean in Christ Jesus
51:49 my Savior forgive me, amen.
51:56 You want to pray that same prayer?
51:57 Come on, don't stand
52:00 because somebody besides you is standing
52:04 if you want Jesus to be the one
52:07 who will take you to death
52:11 keeping you cleansed
52:14 you can stand on your feet right now.
52:17 And by standing to your feet you say Jesus.
52:22 Oh, Jesus,
52:25 today and today and today until you come
52:31 I want to be clean.
52:34 The man who tried to commit suicide
52:39 the gospel finally broke through to him.
52:41 I want to sing with you the words of that one stanza,
52:46 "There is a fountain filled with blood
52:48 drawn from Emmanuel's veins,
52:51 and sinners plunged beneath that flood
52:53 lose all their guilty stains."
52:56 Let's sing that stanza together.
53:13 There is a fountain filled with blood
53:20 Drawn from Emmanuel's veins
53:28 And sinners plunged beneath that flood
53:36 Lose all their guilty stains
53:44 Lose all their guilty stains
53:52 Lose all their guilty stains
54:00 And sinners plunged
54:04 beneath that flood
54:08 Lose all their
54:11 Guilty stains
54:17 I want to sing that stanza one more time.
54:18 We are going to sing it quite as a prayer.
54:20 You understand it is a prayer.
54:22 You are saying Jesus, take me into that flood.
54:26 Cover me by Yours once for all sacrifice
54:30 and cleanse me to my core and do it tomorrow
54:34 and I'll ask you the next day and I'll ask you,
54:35 and I'll ask you until You come.
54:37 And He says I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll do it.
54:39 Sing it as a prayer this time,
54:41 we are gonna sing it quietly now.
54:43 There is a fountain
54:49 Filled with blood
54:52 Drawn from Emmanuel's veins
55:00 And sinners plunged
55:05 Beneath that flood
55:09 Lose all their
55:12 Guilty stains
55:18 Lose all their
55:21 Guilty stains
55:26 Lose all their
55:30 Guilty stains
55:35 And sinners plunged
55:39 Beneath that flood
55:44 Lose all their guilty stains.
55:53 Oh, Holy Father, you promised it
55:56 you said I'll send my son
55:57 He will do it once for all for everyone
56:03 and so we accept Your promise.
56:06 We choose to believe that the cleansing is now
56:11 in this instant You have already answered our prayers.
56:17 Oh, God now walk with us,
56:19 now let us walk with You
56:23 with our Father's love
56:32 draws near.
56:39 In Jesus name, amen.
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