This is 3ABN NOW,
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with John and
Rosemary Malkiewycz.
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Hello and welcome
to today's program.
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We're so glad
that you've joined us
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and we know that you'll enjoy
listening to the stories today.
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We have a lovely couple with us
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that we've known
for quite a while
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and camp meetings and in church
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and is Pastor Clive
Nash and his wife Monica.
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Welcome to today's program.
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I'm glad you're here.
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We're going to hear
some stories about yourselves
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and some of the stories
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I'm just really looking
forward to telling them,
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and we're going to hear
about your families as well
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and how they came into
the truth because they're
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really good stories.
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And Pastor Clive James made
the comment with your wedding
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photo that you haven't changed,
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you still even have
your hair the same way.
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Oh, that's very kind.
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You know, I think
some things are filled out
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and other things
are frown out, so.
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Are you hinting?
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That's what
happens when we get older,
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I know, and color of our hair
changes too if you've got it.
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Yeah.
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It's really good
to have you both here.
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Because I'm, I really like
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and I believe God works
wonderfully to reveal things
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through people's lives.
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You know, we start
out, we're on a journey,
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who knows where
we're going to end up.
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But the Bible is very clear.
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If we remain faithful
to Him, we will end up
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and be with Him in the earth
made new and that's exciting.
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And these, all of us here
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really believe in
that we're on a journey.
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And we're heading
toward the homeland
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which God is preparing for us.
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You know, and before we start,
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I'd like to read a
passage of scripture
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that Pastor
Clive Nash has chosen,
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it's 1 Peter 1:3-5,
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and we read,
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"Blessed be the God and
Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
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which according
to his abundant mercy
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hath begotten us
again unto a lively hope
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by the resurrection of
Jesus Christ from the dead,
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To an inheritance incorruptible,
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and undefiled,
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and that fadeth not away,
reserved in heaven for you,
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who are kept by the power of God
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through faith unto salvation
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ready to be
revealed in the last time."
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Beautiful text, Pastor Clive.
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Tell us why you chose this text?
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Well, John, I like the
anticipation of this text
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and the hope that it brings.
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All made possible as
it says there in verse 3
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through the
resurrection of Jesus.
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And I think Peter is kind
of training himself to try
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and find the words to
express this hope, you know,
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he says, it's an
inheritance, incorruptible.
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Undefiled.
That's not good enough.
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Undefiled.
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And he said, it
does not fade away,
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reserved in heaven.
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You know, it seems as though
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he's just trying
to what can I say,
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you know, about
this wonderful hope.
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Trying to find the right word.
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Nothing describes it adequately.
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Don't you desire
to be there? Yeah.
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That's the whole thing. Yeah.
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And it's reserved in
heaven for you and for me.
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For anyone who wants it.
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That's the wonderful
thing about salvation.
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Monica, you've chosen
Psalm 46:1, 2, and 11.
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And I'm going to
read those for you.
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Says, Psalm 46.
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Yeah, Psalm 46:1, 2, and 11.
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"God is our refuge and strength,
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a very present help in trouble.
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Therefore will not we fear,
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though the earth be removed,
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and though the
mountains be carried
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into the midst of the sea.
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The Lord of hosts is with us,
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the God of Jacob is our refuge."
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Beautiful words, but
why did you choose them?
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Well, I chose that
because I guess it's sort
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of part of my family history.
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When I think back to my
great great grandfather,
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who came out from Germany
because of persecution in 1838,
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he came to South Australia.
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And I thought of that,
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because I've
often thought of that.
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And it was one of my own
grandfather's favorite texts
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that he used to
read for opening Sabbath.
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And it shows that
God is present with us.
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He's always there.
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You know, He says, I am.
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And it's present
tense. God is not.
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He's in the past, but
He's with us right now.
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And that's important to me.
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So this was
persecution in Germany?
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Yes, yeah.
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Why were they
being persecuted for?
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Because so they didn't
want to join the state religion.
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And so they decided to leave
and come to South Australia.
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At the same time, lots of them,
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lots of East Germans
went to America as well.
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So we've got people by the
same family name in America,
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who we've never met,
probably will never meet.
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Now, John's got the same
with his family too. Yeah.
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They left Europe
after the Second World War.
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They are in displaced
persons' camps in Germany
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and within the government's
accepted and different might,
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some of my
aunties went to America.
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My mum and dad
came to Australia.
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And I think, you know,
when you think of that,
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to make that journey
to a place you don't know,
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it's really amazing you know?
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And I just had a
suitcase and my oldest brother,
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that was it.
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So and it's...
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Yeah, it's intriguing,
because I believe a lot
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of those people actually made
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the foundation for Australia.
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They are the ones that
worked hard and gave everything.
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To know that God is a present
help, you know, at all times,
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not just time of trouble.
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That's right. Yeah.
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Now, let's
start with you, Clive.
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You're going to tell us about
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what happened with your parents.
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And this is a
really interesting story.
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We have a photo of
your mum and dad's wedding.
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And it's just beautiful.
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Well, the year was 1927.
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And those people do
know the roaring 20s.
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Yes.
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Probably be able to tell a
little bit about the bridal
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dress there though,
the length of the skirt.
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Yes.
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And the veil is
probably longer than the skirt.
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Probably, yeah.
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Probably went
almost to the floor,
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but the skirt went
just down below the knees.
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Yeah, so this is
Charles and Yuna Nash.
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She was, you
know about her rest.
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And her father was Cornish.
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Oh, like my family.
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And my father, Charles,
his father was from London,
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from Wandsworth in London.
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And really, the story goes back
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a generation
prior to my parents,
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because in my great,
my great, my grandfather,
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Henry Nash.
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It's hard to
believe he was born in 1861,
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which is 160 years ago.
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And I never met him, he
passed away before I was born.
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But he was Church of England.
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And he was engaged by the Bishop
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of North Queensland, to come
and work in North Queensland,
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in Townsville.
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So my grandfather,
Henry Nash became verger
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of the cathedral
there in Townsville.
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The reason why I mentioned
that is because, you know,
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there's a strong loyalty
in not only my grandparents,
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but also my, my parents
to the Church of England.
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Okay.
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And that can
sometimes be a barrier to making
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a change in your,
your religious convictions.
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And I understand that
because tradition holds
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a big part in people's lives.
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Yes, yeah.
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You know, so that my
father picture there.
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There he was a
choirboy at the cathedral.
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And his father, the
verger of the cathedral.
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So you know,
there were strong ties.
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Yeah.
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And then you went on,
your mum and dad got married
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as in the photo there
and had four children?
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Five children, I'm
the youngest of the five,
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so the family's
bit stretched out.
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Oh, let's look at the photo,
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and we'll see you
as the little one.
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You're the one
down the photo. Okay.
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So this is my mum and dad
and the four of their children.
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So I think the oldest
of the boys was taking
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the photo here
behind the camera,
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and I'm that skinny the
fellow down to the front there.
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So, Monica, did you think
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you'd ever married
that little boy there?
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Well, I don't know.
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I wouldn't have married him
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if I looked at
that, first of all.
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Well, at least I don't think so.
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No, he was too young, wasn't he?
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Absolutely.
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That would have
been cradle snatching.
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But it's interesting, you know,
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you talk about your
Anglican heritage there.
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So you grew up in an environment
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where they taught you about God
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and those principles that
you find in the Word of God.
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Well, brother,
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my parents had a
girl first of all,
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and then they had a boy.
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So one girl, four boys,
all the rest of the boys,
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they were boys.
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But when the
second child the boy,
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my oldest
brother Alan came along,
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they needed to buy a pram,
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and this is the story
that leads up to the conversion
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of my parents to
become Seventh-day Adventists.
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They saw a pram advertised
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and this is in
Townsville in North Queensland.
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They saw a pram
advertised and the man,
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the person advertising it
was by the name of Magnusson.
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AE Magnusson.
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He was an Adventist evangelist.
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And my parents were
curious that the fact they said,
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don't make any contact
with us or pick up the pram,
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we'll pay for it on Friday night
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or on Saturday.
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Because, you
know, my parents said,
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well, that's a
strange sort of thing,
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you know, why is
it that prohibition?
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So, the Magnussons actually
gave my parents an invitation.
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While your parents
bought the pram I appreciate.
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They did.
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I presumed that the pram
belonged to their baby Erik
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Magnusson who would
later on become the president
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of Avondale College.
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Is that right?
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Yeah, so we have a copy
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of the invitation
that they received to go,
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and this is the annual camp
meeting 1934 at the Townsville
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Shole Grounds.
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And that's the front
and the back of the card.
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Yes, it had two sides.
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So the invitation on the front,
and the name of the speakers
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and all of their
topics on the reverse.
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And the dates. Yeah.
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Some of the names
will be familiar to some
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of our viewers.
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Pastor Arthrift,
Pastor EH Gilead,
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Pastor SV
Stratford, Pastor AW Anderson,
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Pastor TR Kent,
Pastor RA Bullas.
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I think... South Australia.
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We knew him when we were young,
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A Magnusson, evangelist it says,
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and his topic was
our marvelous century.
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This is 1934.
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And then evangelist AG Jacobson.
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So they were invited to
go to that mission program.
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And they heard things like
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the end of the
seventh day Sabbath, Saturday,
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it's been the
Sabbath of the Bible,
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baptism by immersion,
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which was not
practiced in Church of England,
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unless you
specifically requested it.
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They heard about the
second coming of Jesus,
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you know, they
heard so many Bible truths
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that they had
never heard before.
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So how old, were
you born at that time?
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No. You were not.
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This is, they only had children,
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the children one
and two at this stage,
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I'm number five.
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So you would have been
then familiar with Sabbath
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keeping by the time you're born,
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they've been practicing?
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Yes.
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So they went on
and they were baptized?
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They are baptized.
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My mother was,
made her decision first.
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My father was just a
little bit more hesitant
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about it because of his
family traditions in the Church
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of England.
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But once he made his decision,
he became a very committed
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Seventh-day Adventist
for the rest of his life.
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Just looking back now,
as you were growing up,
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you know, you're living
in a Seventh-day Adventist.
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Did you ever feel
you had a calling?
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You know, you're a pastor.
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Now, did you
ever feel that calling
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when you were very young?
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I went to a Youth Congress.
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And I think it was
in Brisbane, from memory
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when I was in the high
school, from secondary school.
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And there was a speaker there
by the name of Pastor Minchin.
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I think it was EL Minchin.
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And he made a call for those
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who wanted to commit
their lives to gospel ministry.
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And I felt convicted
at that time to go forward
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and make that commitment.
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I always think, you know,
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when we've talked to
other people who have,
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you know, went into ministry,
they always felt that there was
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some PowerPoint in their
life, they had a calling,
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like you've described,
and then in later life,
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it became a reality.
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So you know, I
think God speaks to us,
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no matter how old we are.
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And if God is speaking to you,
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listen, because
He wants each one
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of us to do the work
that He wants us to do
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in a way that maybe we
don't think of at the time,
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but He is really interested
in having you do the work
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of telling other
people about Jesus.
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So it was good that you
ended up being a pastor.
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I just want to go
back to with your mum
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and dad's conversion
briefly, because we have a photo
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of Pastor Magnusson and a number
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of the other people
with him and one of them,
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which one is Pastor Kent?
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Pastor Kent is in the
seated in, squatted in the...
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Squatting in the
front row there alongside
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the dark skinned man
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and Brother
Magnusson, he wasn't ordained
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I think at the time,
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is in the middle row
on the left hand side,
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the far left and his
wife is standing behind him.
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So where did they come from?
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I don't know who said,
I don't know the history.
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It sounds like a Scandinavian
name, doesn't it Magnusson?
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Yes, yes. Something like that.
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Yes.
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So you grew up
in Queensland then?
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Yes. Yes. Okay.
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I'm born in Rockhampton,
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but mostly grew
up in Townsville.
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My parents moved from
Rockhampton to Townsville
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when I was only
two, so I don't remember
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much about Rockhampton.
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And then somehow God
took you to South Australia.
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But we'll come to that a bit
later, because we want to hear
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Monica's family
story because that is very
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interesting also.
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Yes, it is. Go ahead.
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Right, well, we better go
back at quite a few years,
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because if it hadn't
been for these people
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coming out from Germany,
I wouldn't be here today.
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But it was quite
interesting because grandfather
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Jaensch or great,
great grandfather Jaensch.
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He was the one that came out
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directly because of
religious persecution.
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And he arrived in
South Australia in 1838,
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November, 1838.
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He was on the first ship
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of German refugees
that came out because
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of religious persecution.
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And anyway,
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it's so quite an amazing story
because he lived a long life.
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He was 96 or 97
when he passed away.
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And he was a
very intelligent man.
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In fact, in the Lutheran
archives in South Australia,
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there's a record he kept
a very, very detailed record
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of his time, his
early years in Germany
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and then the trip out
to Australia on the ship.
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And also his time in
South Australia right up
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until he died.
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They said that he had...
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He never wore
glasses, he had 100% eyesight,
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even at the real old age.
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Like Moses. Yeah.
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And anyway, it
was his granddaughter,
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my grandmother and Tony,
who married Erhardt Roennfeldt.
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And Erhardt's parents
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came out from
Rostock, in northern Germany,
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actually a little
village called Cropland,
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but it was very
close to Rostock.
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And they came out not so much
because religious persecution,
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but because Christian Heinrich
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had served in the army
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and had ruined his feet
in the army because of...
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Christian Heinrich Roennfeldt.
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Yes, because of
ill-fitting boots.
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And he had no intention
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of letting his
sons serve in the army.
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So he had a cousin
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who had come to South Australia.
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And he'd heard that it
was good land and so forth.
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So come on over sort of thing.
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So he came out in the early 1849
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and settled in
the Barossa Valley.
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And, yeah, and the story
sort of goes on from there.
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Both of the...
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One of these families were very,
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very strong Lutherans.
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And, yeah,
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it was quite interesting
because there's a real
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tradition of Lutheranism
in the Barossa Valley,
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in that small area,
which I'll talk in miles about
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15 miles long by
about 10 miles wide,
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there's no less
than 40 churches.
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Not all Lutheran, different,
you know, there's Church
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of England, one
Adventist Church,
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and Catholic and
Uniting Church and so forth,
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but Lutheran predominantly.
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So anyway, if we
go down through time
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and come to 1896,
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my grandparents Erhardt Franz
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Wilhelm Roennfeldt married
00:19:35.80\00:19:39.44
Antonie Florentine Jaensch.
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And we have a
photo. Yes, you do.
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There is the photo,
the typical pose as we,
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we know the husband
sitting and the wife standing
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which is
different with your parents.
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And the black wedding dress,
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which was
traditional for German brides.
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Now, that's an
interesting thing.
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Tell us about that?
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Yes, well, I think
because they're all
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fairly conservative
toward sort of people
00:20:02.83\00:20:06.53
and the background
that they came from
00:20:06.57\00:20:08.60
that it was expected that
the brides would wear black.
00:20:08.64\00:20:13.01
And there was a story
that was told that one
00:20:13.04\00:20:17.15
of the brides,
00:20:17.18\00:20:18.51
as it was coming, you
know, into the 20th century,
00:20:18.55\00:20:21.92
she decided that she
would go against tradition
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and wear white.
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She never told her parents,
00:20:26.79\00:20:28.19
but on the actual
day of the wedding...
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She came with white.
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She came with white, but father
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didn't escort her to the church.
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So you know, she was...
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She was in the bad
books, in the black books.
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She certainly
wasn't in the black books.
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Yeah.
00:20:42.84\00:20:44.17
But anyway, grandfather
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and grandmother
were married in 1896.
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And they had six children.
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My mother was the youngest.
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And it was in 1914 that...
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I was just gonna say your
mum's a little one at the front.
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Yes, the little one, yes.
00:21:04.13\00:21:06.13
Now this photo
was taken probably,
00:21:06.16\00:21:10.17
I would say at least.
00:21:10.20\00:21:12.47
She was born in 1912,
00:21:12.50\00:21:16.50
two years before
they became Adventists.
00:21:16.54\00:21:19.04
So this, she will probably
be about six or seven there.
00:21:19.07\00:21:22.44
So that was a
bit later that photo.
00:21:22.48\00:21:25.55
But, yeah, she,
they became Adventist,
00:21:25.58\00:21:28.08
Pastor Daniel Wall
came out from America
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specifically to convert
00:21:31.29\00:21:34.26
the German people
in the Barossa Valley.
00:21:34.29\00:21:37.03
As you heard that they'd
be, there were German speaking
00:21:37.06\00:21:39.33
groups in South Australia,
as he said to his wife,
00:21:39.36\00:21:42.30
now we must go there and
share the Advent message.
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He could speak German.
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Well, his name would have
really been pronounced Wall,
00:21:47.47\00:21:50.31
W-A-L-L.
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But we in
Australia, we call him Wall.
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Yeah.
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Is and then there was another
person associated with him
00:21:56.78\00:21:59.98
helping him and that
was Pastor George Backhaus.
00:22:00.02\00:22:03.65
Now Backhaus name
was familiar around
00:22:03.69\00:22:07.19
the Cooranbong area, too.
00:22:07.22\00:22:10.39
And, yeah, there's
interesting stories,
00:22:10.43\00:22:13.40
because when they first
decided to become Adventist,
00:22:13.43\00:22:17.60
my grandfather and
grandmother virtually cut off
00:22:17.63\00:22:20.64
from their relatives,
and they had large families.
00:22:20.67\00:22:22.94
My grandfather had
10 brothers and sisters.
00:22:22.97\00:22:26.94
And my
grandmother was one of 14.
00:22:26.98\00:22:30.95
And you can
imagine what it was like,
00:22:30.98\00:22:33.01
because how dare you
move away from the faith?
00:22:33.05\00:22:37.75
How did they start going
to the Adventist meetings?
00:22:37.79\00:22:41.49
Well, it was because,
strangely enough grandfather,
00:22:41.52\00:22:45.76
one of his sisters,
00:22:45.79\00:22:47.13
and one of his brothers went
to a mission that Pastor Wall
00:22:47.16\00:22:52.30
was conducting in a
little town called Freeling,
00:22:52.33\00:22:55.60
which was further
on the western side
00:22:55.64\00:22:58.31
of the Barossa Valley.
00:22:58.34\00:23:00.38
And they said,"
Erhardt, you must go
00:23:00.41\00:23:03.31
and hear this preacher.
00:23:03.35\00:23:05.18
He's wonderful. He
is speaking truth."
00:23:05.21\00:23:09.05
Well, grandfather and
grandmother went along,
00:23:09.08\00:23:10.95
and they were converted.
00:23:10.99\00:23:12.55
But this brother and
sister never accepted
00:23:12.59\00:23:15.92
the Adventist truth.
00:23:15.96\00:23:17.69
Now that may be
because they didn't like
00:23:17.73\00:23:21.53
the persecution
even could have been.
00:23:21.56\00:23:24.80
Whereas your
grandfather was a little bit
00:23:24.83\00:23:26.97
more strong in
wanting to follow God.
00:23:27.00\00:23:29.20
We've got a picture
of the little institute
00:23:29.24\00:23:31.57
building where the
meetings were being held,
00:23:31.61\00:23:35.18
that your grandfather went to,
00:23:35.21\00:23:37.01
that his brother
and sister went to.
00:23:37.05\00:23:39.31
Nice little building. And
we have a photo also of...
00:23:39.35\00:23:42.42
That's in Greenock. Of
the Pastor Daniel Wall.
00:23:42.45\00:23:46.05
Yeah, Pastor Daniel Wall
and his wife and two children.
00:23:46.09\00:23:47.96
And there's an
interesting story about
00:23:47.99\00:23:51.33
when they came
to South Australia,
00:23:51.36\00:23:55.70
and they were conducting mission
00:23:55.73\00:23:57.67
also after
they'd been in Greenock,
00:23:57.70\00:24:00.14
they decided to conduct one
in the main town of Barossa,
00:24:00.17\00:24:03.71
Nuriootpa and they left the,
00:24:03.74\00:24:07.01
one of the youngest boy,
00:24:07.04\00:24:09.21
little Wall baby in
the care of Dora Buchholz.
00:24:09.24\00:24:14.72
And Dora is
just reminding myself
00:24:14.75\00:24:19.42
of this story a
couple of days ago,
00:24:19.45\00:24:22.16
and Dora was
looking after this baby
00:24:22.19\00:24:24.46
and she actually felt
moved to shift the crib.
00:24:24.49\00:24:30.07
And I think it was
00:24:30.10\00:24:31.77
the Holy Spirit spoke to her
to do this because she'd only
00:24:31.80\00:24:36.37
just shifted the crib and
a brick came flying through
00:24:36.40\00:24:39.21
the window.
00:24:39.24\00:24:40.68
And if the crib
had been in the place
00:24:40.71\00:24:44.51
where it originally was,
00:24:44.55\00:24:45.88
the baby would have been killed.
00:24:45.91\00:24:48.32
They, these people
suffered real persecution.
00:24:48.35\00:24:50.89
So that brick was thrown through
00:24:50.92\00:24:52.32
the window
because of persecution.
00:24:52.35\00:24:54.29
Yeah, yes.
00:24:54.32\00:24:55.66
Similarly, I think your
family, your ancestors too
00:24:55.69\00:25:00.46
when they're coming
home from the mission...
00:25:00.50\00:25:02.50
Oh, yes.
00:25:02.53\00:25:03.87
They got flour
bombed or something
00:25:03.90\00:25:05.23
or rather rotten eggs.
00:25:05.27\00:25:06.60
Yeah. Oh, yes.
00:25:06.63\00:25:08.20
Yes.
00:25:08.24\00:25:09.57
When they came home
from that little institute.
00:25:09.60\00:25:10.94
Yeah, to become an
Adventistan, you know,
00:25:10.97\00:25:14.91
and forsake the Lutheran
faith, yeah, it was faith.
00:25:14.94\00:25:17.98
Tell us about one of
your mother's brothers?
00:25:18.01\00:25:22.78
Her eldest brother,
Irwin EE Roennfeldt,
00:25:22.82\00:25:28.69
he was considered
as a young, young boy,
00:25:28.72\00:25:33.33
even an early teenager,
to be very promising student
00:25:33.36\00:25:37.30
and the Lutheran
pastors in the Barossa
00:25:37.33\00:25:39.57
wanted to send
him to the Lutheran,
00:25:39.60\00:25:42.40
one of the Lutheran
seminaries in Germany,
00:25:42.44\00:25:45.67
because he was a
very clever young man,
00:25:45.71\00:25:48.08
and he would be
good for the church.
00:25:48.11\00:25:51.21
And anyway, when grandfather
00:25:51.25\00:25:54.12
decided that they
would become Adventists,
00:25:54.15\00:25:57.95
there was a
concerted effort by, I think,
00:25:57.99\00:26:00.92
particularly three Lutheran
ministers to save grandfather
00:26:00.96\00:26:06.16
and grandmother.
00:26:06.19\00:26:07.76
And so they came
around to visit one evening.
00:26:07.80\00:26:13.13
And grandfather said,
00:26:13.17\00:26:16.04
"No, we're going
to keep the Sabbath,
00:26:16.07\00:26:18.24
we're going to become
Seventh-day Adventist."
00:26:18.27\00:26:21.51
And he said, "I'll
show you from the Bible
00:26:21.54\00:26:23.91
about the Sabbath."
00:26:23.95\00:26:25.28
And he went up the passage,
and this was in the old house
00:26:25.31\00:26:29.05
where Clive and I lived before
we came to New South Wales.
00:26:29.08\00:26:32.82
And grandfather, apparently,
as he was going up the passage,
00:26:32.85\00:26:35.99
he heard this minister say,
"It's not good talking to him,
00:26:36.02\00:26:38.23
if he's going to
bring it from the Bible."
00:26:38.26\00:26:40.76
You know, it's not
good reasoning with him.
00:26:40.80\00:26:43.43
And my grandfather
came back and said,
00:26:43.47\00:26:45.80
"We're definitely
keeping the Sabbath,
00:26:45.83\00:26:47.54
we're going to change."
00:26:47.57\00:26:50.11
And that really blew
up because apparently
00:26:50.14\00:26:55.81
Uncle Irwin immediately
00:26:55.84\00:26:58.01
became a dummkopf,
00:26:58.05\00:27:03.92
quite stupid, you know,
00:27:03.95\00:27:05.45
how could that be
and infect Roennfeldt,
00:27:05.49\00:27:08.86
you should smack him
up the side of the head,
00:27:08.89\00:27:11.86
boxer as he is, you know...
00:27:11.89\00:27:14.53
Going from being one of
the brightest shining lights
00:27:14.56\00:27:18.73
of the young people, he
all of a sudden is stupid.
00:27:18.77\00:27:22.10
Yes, a dummkopf.
00:27:22.14\00:27:24.01
And anyway, as they were leaving
00:27:24.04\00:27:27.01
the homestead that night,
00:27:27.04\00:27:29.91
apparently, they
said to grandfather,
00:27:29.94\00:27:31.98
"And may the
curse of God rest on you
00:27:32.01\00:27:34.32
and your family forever."
00:27:34.35\00:27:37.12
And that would have
been very hard to take,
00:27:37.15\00:27:39.12
because that sort of thing,
00:27:39.15\00:27:40.49
you know, if that was
said by your German...
00:27:40.52\00:27:42.82
It's quite serious.
It was quite serious.
00:27:42.86\00:27:45.49
Yeah. Yes.
00:27:45.53\00:27:46.86
And then grandfather himself.
00:27:46.90\00:27:48.56
He was an elder, a seal holder
00:27:48.60\00:27:51.57
and a lay reader in St. Petrie
Lutheran Church in Nuriootpa.
00:27:51.60\00:27:57.34
And when he got up
00:27:57.37\00:27:59.34
and announced in the church
after a live reading session,
00:27:59.37\00:28:04.08
and he said,
00:28:04.11\00:28:05.45
"I will no longer be
attending this church
00:28:05.48\00:28:08.08
because I'm going
to be an Adventist,
00:28:08.12\00:28:09.98
and I'm going to
keep the Sabbath."
00:28:10.02\00:28:12.19
Well, the women
rushed out of the church
00:28:12.22\00:28:14.06
and lined up on the
pathway outside of the church
00:28:14.09\00:28:17.19
and as grandfather
came out of the church,
00:28:17.23\00:28:19.56
all these women spat on him.
00:28:19.59\00:28:23.16
And there was much persecution.
00:28:23.20\00:28:26.03
Like I said, it's probably
why sister and brother didn't
00:28:26.07\00:28:28.84
go forward in changing?
00:28:28.87\00:28:30.21
Yeah.
00:28:30.24\00:28:31.57
Rather than the curse of God,
I think the blessing of God,
00:28:31.61\00:28:33.88
blessing our family.
00:28:33.91\00:28:35.28
Irwin ended up in
the General Conference.
00:28:35.31\00:28:37.05
That's right.
00:28:37.08\00:28:38.41
And his last official
position was he was president
00:28:38.45\00:28:41.88
of the Northern European
or Trans-European division.
00:28:41.92\00:28:46.69
And one or the other...
00:28:46.72\00:28:48.16
The dummkopf.
00:28:48.19\00:28:49.52
One of the other
children, Clarence Roennfeldt
00:28:49.56\00:28:52.56
will be known to a
number of our viewers,
00:28:52.59\00:28:56.33
West Australian,
but before that he was
00:28:56.36\00:28:58.50
a missionary to Burma.
00:28:58.53\00:29:00.40
And the oldest.
00:29:00.44\00:29:03.10
Three of his
children, I think, you know,
00:29:03.14\00:29:05.71
probably pretty
well known to, Lynette,
00:29:05.74\00:29:08.74
this missionary
nurse to Papua New Guinea.
00:29:08.78\00:29:12.38
Ray also.
00:29:12.41\00:29:14.12
He's just best president
of the Avondale College.
00:29:14.15\00:29:18.02
Yes, and Peter Roennfeldt
too, another minister.
00:29:18.05\00:29:22.16
So, yeah, I
don't think the curse
00:29:22.19\00:29:24.89
of God rested on
the family at all.
00:29:24.93\00:29:27.16
I think it reveals the
character of the person.
00:29:27.20\00:29:31.27
And if you stand
for truth, in principle,
00:29:31.30\00:29:33.60
God will use you no matter
what men say or do, God knows.
00:29:33.64\00:29:39.27
And out of that
little Barossa Church,
00:29:39.31\00:29:41.34
you know, in South Australia.
00:29:41.38\00:29:44.38
There were other
names like Kranz,
00:29:44.41\00:29:47.58
Alfred Kranz was
became an Adventist there.
00:29:47.62\00:29:51.32
Maywald, Russel is another name,
00:29:51.35\00:29:56.62
Standish, Mrs.
Antoinette, Standish.
00:29:56.66\00:30:00.06
You know, there
are quite a number of,
00:30:00.10\00:30:02.03
of families today which would
trace their roots back him.
00:30:02.06\00:30:07.67
One of the members
of the church that we
00:30:07.70\00:30:09.34
go to Dr. Don Roy, his...
00:30:09.37\00:30:12.81
I think his grandfather
was the Buchholz that was,
00:30:12.84\00:30:16.64
Monica mentioned, the
literature evangelist.
00:30:16.68\00:30:20.88
And before that the
pathway was paved by literature
00:30:20.92\00:30:23.75
evangelists by
the name of LDA Lemke.
00:30:23.79\00:30:27.12
All right. Very interesting.
00:30:27.16\00:30:29.72
Very good. Yeah.
00:30:29.76\00:30:31.13
So out of a
little place like that.
00:30:31.16\00:30:33.60
God took people who are faithful
00:30:33.63\00:30:35.03
and used them all
around the world, literally.
00:30:35.06\00:30:38.03
Excellent. Very good.
00:30:38.07\00:30:40.04
Now, Clive, Monica, let
us get on with the story
00:30:40.07\00:30:45.61
of how you being in Queensland,
00:30:45.64\00:30:48.21
and you being
in South Australia.
00:30:48.24\00:30:50.38
How did God bring you together?
00:30:50.41\00:30:52.98
Well, I was...
00:30:53.01\00:30:55.72
After I finished
my theology training
00:30:55.75\00:30:58.09
at Avondale College in 1969,
00:30:58.12\00:31:01.62
I was called to
go and do literature
00:31:01.66\00:31:04.49
evangelism work
in South Australia.
00:31:04.53\00:31:07.36
And to be the senior evangelist
for Pastor Lindsay Lowers
00:31:07.40\00:31:13.27
for a mission
program in Adelaide.
00:31:13.30\00:31:17.04
So I did that for to 1970.
00:31:17.07\00:31:22.71
We were, we met and we got
married at the end of 1970.
00:31:22.74\00:31:28.15
That wasn't very long.
00:31:28.18\00:31:30.15
No, actually.
00:31:30.19\00:31:31.52
Oh, well, I was a
singer and Monica was a pianist
00:31:31.55\00:31:34.16
and organist, and it was
music brought us together.
00:31:34.19\00:31:37.23
Yeah.
00:31:37.26\00:31:38.83
And that was at Gola
Church actually because...
00:31:38.86\00:31:41.80
Yes, I was preaching,
00:31:41.83\00:31:43.16
and I saw this
lovely organist there.
00:31:43.20\00:31:44.67
And the funny part about
it, we used to have a spate
00:31:44.70\00:31:47.97
of Avondale theology students
sort of come around and preach.
00:31:48.00\00:31:53.04
And that day, I was playing
the organ I thought, "Oh no,
00:31:53.07\00:31:56.48
not another one from Avondale."
00:31:56.51\00:31:59.15
And I snuck out the
back door of the church.
00:31:59.18\00:32:02.82
And I never even met him.
00:32:02.85\00:32:04.19
Didn't even shake hands.
00:32:04.22\00:32:05.55
Didn't even shake hands with him
00:32:05.59\00:32:06.92
because I was so peeved off
00:32:06.96\00:32:08.52
with all this Avondale
business all the time in anyway.
00:32:08.56\00:32:12.19
But I did my
homework, Brother John.
00:32:12.23\00:32:14.53
You did actually get to see her.
00:32:14.56\00:32:15.93
I said, "Who is that lady?
00:32:15.96\00:32:18.87
Where does she live?"
00:32:18.90\00:32:20.90
So I called her to
the farmhouse to see her.
00:32:20.94\00:32:24.41
The next Saturday
night, he turns up at our farm,
00:32:24.44\00:32:29.28
the old Roennfeldt farm.
00:32:29.31\00:32:31.01
And Monica says, oh,
no, that Avondale guy.
00:32:31.05\00:32:34.45
Something like that.
00:32:34.48\00:32:35.82
But the interesting part was,
it was a blazing hot summer,
00:32:35.85\00:32:41.06
in early in February,
00:32:41.09\00:32:43.39
and we were all sitting
outside because it's just
00:32:43.43\00:32:46.66
too hot to be inside.
00:32:46.70\00:32:48.73
And at the same time,
you wouldn't believe it,
00:32:48.76\00:32:51.03
there was a
mouse plague happening,
00:32:51.07\00:32:53.17
and we had all these haystacks
and that around the farm.
00:32:53.20\00:32:56.64
And anyway, I've
never seen it before,
00:32:56.67\00:32:59.51
and I've never seen it since.
00:32:59.54\00:33:00.88
But we had 14 cats on the farm.
00:33:00.91\00:33:03.91
And they all
decided to catch mice
00:33:03.95\00:33:08.78
and bring them
down towards the house,
00:33:08.82\00:33:10.99
and we're
sitting out in this area,
00:33:11.02\00:33:13.25
and all of a sudden these cats
arrive with all of these mice
00:33:13.29\00:33:15.72
and they let the mice go.
00:33:15.76\00:33:18.29
And so we're sort
of sitting there with
00:33:18.33\00:33:19.89
our knees in the air.
00:33:19.93\00:33:21.86
And Clive's
looking a bit like this,
00:33:21.90\00:33:25.57
you know, he was
basically a city boy.
00:33:25.60\00:33:28.10
And anyway, my father
said, when Clive had gone,
00:33:28.14\00:33:32.74
my father said, Well,
I if he's worth his salt,
00:33:32.77\00:33:37.05
he will stick around even
despite such an experience,
00:33:37.08\00:33:41.58
and he did.
00:33:41.62\00:33:44.85
There was some attraction there.
00:33:44.89\00:33:46.29
That's the only reason
that you could give for that.
00:33:46.32\00:33:49.16
Yeah.
00:33:49.19\00:33:50.53
I'd say you're probably lucky
you had all those cats doing
00:33:50.56\00:33:52.06
mice hunting.
00:33:52.09\00:33:53.43
Is he a man of few
words, Monica, or did he,
00:33:53.46\00:33:56.20
you know, being a young
man and out there on his own?
00:33:56.23\00:34:00.40
How was he, was
he quiet, reserved?
00:34:00.44\00:34:03.37
Oh, I wouldn't say
was actually quiet.
00:34:03.41\00:34:06.61
He was rather
persuasive, put it that way.
00:34:06.64\00:34:09.94
Yeah.
00:34:09.98\00:34:11.31
So we were married at the
end of that year just two days
00:34:11.35\00:34:13.75
before Christmas in the
Trinity Gardens Seventh-day
00:34:13.78\00:34:17.49
Adventist Church.
00:34:17.52\00:34:18.85
And see, you've got the same
hairstyle and the same sort of,
00:34:18.89\00:34:21.29
you've got the beard.
00:34:21.32\00:34:22.66
And I notice you're in white.
00:34:22.69\00:34:24.23
Yes, yes, I didn't
revert to the black tradition.
00:34:24.26\00:34:28.83
But it's funny, I've never
known Clive without a beard.
00:34:28.86\00:34:33.50
Is that right?
00:34:33.54\00:34:34.87
And I often said in a joking way
00:34:34.90\00:34:36.97
that if I woke up one morning,
00:34:37.01\00:34:38.34
he shaved off a
beard, of his beard.
00:34:38.37\00:34:40.54
I'd think I was in
bed with the wrong person.
00:34:40.58\00:34:44.41
That's what I was
like when I married John.
00:34:44.45\00:34:46.15
He shaved his beard off.
00:34:46.18\00:34:48.08
Who is this man?
00:34:48.12\00:34:50.95
Was a little bit shocking. Yes.
00:34:50.99\00:34:53.22
Well, wasn't any opening
for me in full time ministry
00:34:53.25\00:34:57.49
in South Australia at the time,
00:34:57.53\00:34:59.06
so I took other employment
to get our home together
00:34:59.09\00:35:04.83
and our finances.
00:35:04.87\00:35:06.70
What did you do, Clive?
00:35:06.74\00:35:08.10
Well, for three or four years
00:35:08.14\00:35:09.64
I worked with the
Commonwealth Government
00:35:09.67\00:35:12.01
with Department
of Civil Aviation.
00:35:12.04\00:35:14.74
And then... What
did you do with...
00:35:14.78\00:35:17.35
What were you doing
there? Did clerical work.
00:35:17.38\00:35:19.15
Most of the time
after that, I was working
00:35:19.18\00:35:23.35
as a school
bursar for the Education
00:35:23.39\00:35:25.69
Department in South Australia.
00:35:25.72\00:35:27.66
And that enabled us
to go back to the Barossa
00:35:27.69\00:35:30.19
and live on the family farm.
00:35:30.23\00:35:33.16
Did you do more
singing for evangelistic?
00:35:33.19\00:35:35.43
Yeah, I want to ask a
little bit about your singing.
00:35:35.46\00:35:37.57
Where did you begin to sing?
00:35:37.60\00:35:40.27
Well, I trained
at Avondale College.
00:35:40.30\00:35:42.20
Well before that
my parents gave me
00:35:42.24\00:35:45.21
singing lessons in Townsville.
00:35:45.24\00:35:47.71
And then I trained with a
lady by the name of Jean Kilroy
00:35:47.74\00:35:51.75
at Avondale College,
and she put me up to my MSA
00:35:51.78\00:35:56.58
standard invoice examined
by the Sydney Conservatorium
00:35:56.62\00:36:00.19
of Music.
00:36:00.22\00:36:01.92
When I first went
to South Australia,
00:36:01.96\00:36:04.03
I performed professionally
on channel 10 television.
00:36:04.06\00:36:08.83
So it was nice to get paid
to sing and being an amateur.
00:36:08.86\00:36:12.83
And, but for most
of my working life,
00:36:12.87\00:36:16.07
I was working as a bursar.
00:36:16.10\00:36:17.91
So what were you
seeing on channel 10?
00:36:17.94\00:36:20.74
You know, music,
music from the shows,
00:36:20.78\00:36:23.14
you know, likes of
Fiddler on the Roof
00:36:23.18\00:36:25.01
and Camelot and things like
that were popular at that time.
00:36:25.05\00:36:29.15
And did Monica play for you?
00:36:29.18\00:36:30.95
No, no, they had a studio
band that played for those.
00:36:30.99\00:36:35.19
Because I know you both sing.
00:36:35.22\00:36:38.06
And really, they
do sing very well.
00:36:38.09\00:36:42.63
Duets. Duets, yeah.
00:36:42.66\00:36:44.53
As well. That's really good.
00:36:44.57\00:36:47.14
And as a pastor,
that's a bonus really,
00:36:47.17\00:36:51.64
to be able to sing
and to present and talk.
00:36:51.67\00:36:55.98
It just makes it so much nicer.
00:36:56.01\00:37:00.28
And in the Barossa, you know,
Monica became very involved
00:37:00.32\00:37:03.39
with music, not only
in church in our church,
00:37:03.42\00:37:07.16
but also in the community.
00:37:07.19\00:37:10.29
I was an organist
for my singing teacher
00:37:10.33\00:37:15.00
was a Lutheran minister's wife,
00:37:15.03\00:37:17.57
and we became
extremely good friends.
00:37:17.60\00:37:21.94
And one year she said to me,
I want to present Bach Cantata,
00:37:21.97\00:37:27.68
the Lord is a sun and shield.
00:37:27.71\00:37:30.05
And she said, in all the history
00:37:30.08\00:37:31.68
of the Barossa Valley had
had never been performed before.
00:37:31.71\00:37:34.85
So we got together a choir.
00:37:34.88\00:37:37.39
And we performed
it in two churches,
00:37:37.42\00:37:40.39
one at the
little town of Bethany,
00:37:40.42\00:37:43.26
and the other in St. Petrie
Lutheran Church in Nuriootpa.
00:37:43.29\00:37:48.70
That's a big church and
holds about a thousand people.
00:37:48.73\00:37:52.30
And, yeah, there was lots
of opportunity for involvement,
00:37:52.33\00:37:57.24
I conducted a couple of choirs,
a children's choir at Angaston
00:37:57.27\00:38:00.84
Primary School and
also, I took over conducting
00:38:00.88\00:38:06.01
a community choir as well.
00:38:06.05\00:38:08.72
And that was made up of members
from different churches...
00:38:08.75\00:38:13.19
Different denominations.
Different denominations.
00:38:13.22\00:38:15.56
And Clive used to
sing in that choir too.
00:38:15.59\00:38:18.03
So I felt quite
good about bossing him
00:38:18.06\00:38:19.93
around in the choir.
00:38:19.96\00:38:22.16
So one chance, Clive.
00:38:22.20\00:38:23.53
Yes, I was under direction.
00:38:23.57\00:38:25.87
So what did you
studied at school?
00:38:25.90\00:38:29.44
At school? Yeah, did you?
00:38:29.47\00:38:30.87
What
qualifications did you have?
00:38:30.91\00:38:32.81
Well, I've really
got no qualifications.
00:38:32.84\00:38:35.08
Oh, you're like me. Yes.
00:38:35.11\00:38:38.01
You just got to work
what God gives you to do.
00:38:38.05\00:38:40.15
Yeah, secondary schooling.
00:38:40.18\00:38:41.65
Yeah, and I did
some part actually
00:38:41.68\00:38:43.25
what they call post grad work.
00:38:43.28\00:38:45.55
Like for minister's wives,
00:38:45.59\00:38:47.46
we did a course that
came out from America.
00:38:47.49\00:38:50.29
And I did through
that with preaching
00:38:50.33\00:38:53.19
and all sorts of things
that were involved with that.
00:38:53.23\00:38:55.63
So I had a light education.
00:38:55.66\00:38:58.03
So you had the talent
for music, and God used it.
00:38:58.07\00:39:02.04
And He was, you
know, blessing you
00:39:02.07\00:39:04.94
with being able to
use that in other ways.
00:39:04.97\00:39:08.41
Yeah. That's really good.
00:39:08.44\00:39:09.78
It's good to see your
background from your families,
00:39:09.81\00:39:12.51
you know, you're
the heritage behind you.
00:39:12.55\00:39:15.38
But, you know, in your life,
00:39:15.42\00:39:17.55
I'm sure you have had
experiences that will,
00:39:17.59\00:39:21.02
you know, we'd all like to
hear about stories that you've
00:39:21.06\00:39:23.43
experienced in your
journey through life.
00:39:23.46\00:39:26.09
And I know, Pastor Clive,
you've got a really interesting
00:39:26.13\00:39:29.76
story that's not too old, is it?
00:39:29.80\00:39:32.37
Well, we haven't actually
come to the point that you
00:39:32.40\00:39:35.30
became a pastor.
00:39:35.34\00:39:37.24
And this is to do with...
00:39:37.27\00:39:39.07
While I was
active as a layperson
00:39:39.11\00:39:41.81
running mission
programs and things
00:39:41.84\00:39:43.61
like that in my own church.
00:39:43.65\00:39:47.78
And, but there came a time
00:39:47.82\00:39:49.98
when you may know
Pastor Neil Watts.
00:39:50.02\00:39:54.29
He was President
of South Australia
00:39:54.32\00:39:55.82
Conference at one stage.
00:39:55.86\00:39:57.66
And I'd served a couple
00:39:57.69\00:39:59.86
of terms on the
Conference Executive Committee.
00:39:59.89\00:40:02.53
And also I was on the Board
00:40:02.56\00:40:04.00
of Education for
our schools there.
00:40:04.03\00:40:07.00
And when I, my term of office
in the Executive Committee
00:40:07.04\00:40:12.21
have completed
and I said to Neil,
00:40:12.24\00:40:14.78
"I've got a bit of
free spare time now,
00:40:14.81\00:40:16.91
is there something else
I can do for the church?"
00:40:16.95\00:40:19.38
And he said, "Well, you remember
00:40:19.41\00:40:21.15
we trained
together to be ministers."
00:40:21.18\00:40:23.79
He said, "Would you
like to look after a church?
00:40:23.82\00:40:26.42
And I said, "Well, I
think I could handle two."
00:40:26.45\00:40:29.72
So that's what I did.
00:40:29.76\00:40:31.86
They gave me two churches.
00:40:31.89\00:40:34.23
And...
00:40:34.26\00:40:35.60
What churches were they?
00:40:35.63\00:40:36.97
The Church of
Kadina on Yorke Peninsula,
00:40:37.00\00:40:41.37
and Mendham Church
down the Murray River.
00:40:41.40\00:40:44.07
So they're in opposite
direction to each other.
00:40:44.11\00:40:46.37
How far apart were
you, you know, like?
00:40:46.41\00:40:48.04
Well, I think there's
about an hour and a half
00:40:48.08\00:40:49.41
from our home to
Kadina and about an hour
00:40:49.44\00:40:51.61
and 10 minutes down to Mendham.
00:40:51.65\00:40:53.62
It's nice how they seem to put
00:40:53.65\00:40:54.98
pastors in churches that are far
00:40:55.02\00:40:56.79
away from each other.
00:40:56.82\00:40:58.15
I think just to test them.
00:40:58.19\00:40:59.52
I know in Western Australia,
some of them got three or four
00:40:59.55\00:41:01.62
hours to drive to
one of their churches.
00:41:01.66\00:41:03.99
Well, I suppose I
was pretty well off then.
00:41:04.03\00:41:07.26
But I still kept on working
as a bursar at the school.
00:41:07.30\00:41:10.57
So I was doing that full time
00:41:10.60\00:41:12.63
and looking out the
two churches all the while.
00:41:12.67\00:41:14.87
Yes. I did that for three years.
00:41:14.90\00:41:17.04
And then I asked the president,
00:41:17.07\00:41:19.41
might have been Pastor
Don Hosken at the time,
00:41:19.44\00:41:21.31
I think, whether I could
change churches for the sake
00:41:21.34\00:41:26.01
of getting some
additional experience.
00:41:26.05\00:41:29.12
Mind you, it
didn't take me long,
00:41:29.15\00:41:31.75
when I started
doing volunteer ministry,
00:41:31.79\00:41:34.49
to realize that this is,
00:41:34.52\00:41:36.73
this is what the Lord called
me to all those years before.
00:41:36.76\00:41:41.10
You know, this is
where my heart was.
00:41:41.13\00:41:44.33
And the Lord bless, you know,
with three years in those first
00:41:44.37\00:41:47.44
two churches, and
then I had a city church,
00:41:47.47\00:41:50.34
and an outer suburban
church in Adelaide for another
00:41:50.37\00:41:55.74
three years, and
one of those churches
00:41:55.78\00:41:58.01
was Birdwood in the
Adelaide Hills for three years.
00:41:58.05\00:42:02.52
And... So you
were not volunteering?
00:42:02.55\00:42:04.85
I was still volunteer.
You're still volunteering.
00:42:04.89\00:42:06.65
Still volunteering.
00:42:06.69\00:42:08.46
And we ran a...
00:42:08.49\00:42:10.13
This is where we
ran a mission program.
00:42:10.16\00:42:11.63
They're using the evangelism
series from Port Moresby,
00:42:11.66\00:42:15.56
conducted by Pastor Mark Finley.
00:42:15.60\00:42:17.87
And via satellite.
00:42:17.90\00:42:19.23
Via satellite.
00:42:19.27\00:42:20.84
And you remember those
days you would write in,
00:42:20.87\00:42:24.17
you let you know,
00:42:24.21\00:42:25.54
there'll be a call
for where you're watching
00:42:25.57\00:42:27.74
our program around the world.
00:42:27.78\00:42:29.61
And so they'll get responses
from all over the world
00:42:29.64\00:42:32.31
as to who was watching.
00:42:32.35\00:42:34.15
And we let it be
known that this little
00:42:34.18\00:42:38.29
church in the Adelaide
Hills, Birdwood, we were taking
00:42:38.32\00:42:41.69
the programs and
running it as a mission program.
00:42:41.72\00:42:44.23
You had a big satellite dish.
00:42:44.26\00:42:45.59
We had a big satellite dish,
00:42:45.63\00:42:46.96
and we had a big
screen inside the church.
00:42:47.00\00:42:49.93
And we're running it as a
mission program in the church.
00:42:49.96\00:42:55.14
And there was a
remarkable story came out
00:42:55.17\00:42:57.11
of that
particular mission program.
00:42:57.14\00:43:00.58
It touches my heart
to recall that even now.
00:43:00.61\00:43:06.21
There was a man by
the name of Dennis,
00:43:06.25\00:43:09.92
who came along to the
church, to the mission program.
00:43:09.95\00:43:14.92
He had been raised as
an Adventist and married
00:43:14.96\00:43:17.79
as an Adventist but he lapsed,
00:43:17.83\00:43:20.70
and he wandered
away for two or three
00:43:20.73\00:43:22.73
decades from the Lord.
00:43:22.76\00:43:26.74
And there was one particular
night he was there present,
00:43:26.77\00:43:30.44
and Mark Finley
talked about baptism.
00:43:30.47\00:43:35.34
And he explained
00:43:35.38\00:43:36.75
how to call for
people to come to be baptized
00:43:36.78\00:43:39.61
and explain why he
would be make that decision.
00:43:39.65\00:43:43.69
And then he said, and
perhaps there's someone
00:43:43.72\00:43:46.15
amongst the audience
here in Port Moresby,
00:43:46.19\00:43:49.06
who would like to be
re-baptized and explain
00:43:49.09\00:43:51.26
why you would be re-baptized.
00:43:51.29\00:43:54.40
And that he said
something, which I think
00:43:54.43\00:43:55.83
and I need the
prompting by the Holy Spirit.
00:43:55.86\00:43:59.70
Mark Finley from Port Moresby.
00:43:59.73\00:44:01.50
He said, "And is
there someone in that little
00:44:01.54\00:44:04.54
church in the Adelaide Hills
00:44:04.57\00:44:07.04
who would like to
stand to be re-baptized."
00:44:07.08\00:44:10.61
And Dennis stood
and made his decision.
00:44:10.65\00:44:14.12
And, you know, I
had the privilege
00:44:14.15\00:44:15.65
of baptizing him in later.
00:44:15.68\00:44:18.99
And he remained
faithful in the church.
00:44:19.02\00:44:20.79
Remained faithful
till his death, yeah.
00:44:20.82\00:44:22.92
Isn't it amazing,
so many miles apart,
00:44:22.96\00:44:26.23
and yet the Spirit of
God can prompt someone
00:44:26.26\00:44:29.73
and that influences
someone to make a decision.
00:44:29.76\00:44:32.13
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:32.17\00:44:33.50
And to actually name the church.
00:44:33.54\00:44:37.01
You know, well,
even though he didn't say
00:44:37.04\00:44:39.14
the name of the church,
00:44:39.17\00:44:40.51
but that little church
in the hills in Adelaide.
00:44:40.54\00:44:44.21
And there's someone
there who's wrestling?
00:44:44.25\00:44:47.12
Someone who's saying
because he was wrestling,
00:44:47.15\00:44:50.02
was saying, no, no,
don't, you know, don't go up.
00:44:50.05\00:44:55.59
You can't do that.
00:44:55.62\00:44:57.93
And then God says
you, I'm calling you.
00:44:57.96\00:45:03.67
I know you by name.
00:45:03.70\00:45:05.33
I know who you are.
00:45:05.37\00:45:06.70
The Holy Spirit,
he prompted Mark,
00:45:06.74\00:45:08.27
you know, to make
that appeal very specific.
00:45:08.30\00:45:10.27
It's powerful.
00:45:10.31\00:45:11.64
It is powerful
because, you know,
00:45:11.67\00:45:13.01
you can imagine
you're that person.
00:45:13.04\00:45:14.71
And that's...
00:45:14.74\00:45:16.08
Boy, would make you,
make you tingle all over does,
00:45:16.11\00:45:19.01
doesn't it?
00:45:19.05\00:45:20.38
When you heard
the evangelist over
00:45:20.42\00:45:22.92
the satellite saying
you in that little church,
00:45:22.95\00:45:25.59
I'm talking to you.
00:45:25.62\00:45:26.96
God is calling
you. You have to go up.
00:45:26.99\00:45:30.29
Yeah, I want to ask
you, you have children?
00:45:30.33\00:45:34.20
Well, we...
00:45:34.23\00:45:35.56
Yes, we have one
daughter, one girl,
00:45:35.60\00:45:37.37
one child I should say and
she's the daughter, a girl.
00:45:37.40\00:45:40.90
That's Adele Nash. Yeah.
00:45:40.94\00:45:42.77
And she's not a child anymore.
00:45:42.80\00:45:44.14
No, she isn't.
00:45:44.17\00:45:45.51
She let us know that.
00:45:45.54\00:45:48.31
Yes, we talked
it over, you know,
00:45:48.34\00:45:50.28
we should try to get
into full time ministry.
00:45:50.31\00:45:54.12
But our daughter Adele
was in secondary school.
00:45:54.15\00:45:58.05
So he said, let's wait
until she finishes year 12,
00:45:58.09\00:46:02.09
because she wants to go on
to Avondale College to train.
00:46:02.12\00:46:06.76
So in year 12, I
circulated my name.
00:46:06.80\00:46:10.53
And we were very
blessed to recall to North
00:46:10.57\00:46:14.04
New South Wales Conference
to full time ministry.
00:46:14.07\00:46:17.71
And she's a
very fine young lady.
00:46:17.74\00:46:19.71
And it's a
credit to both of you.
00:46:19.74\00:46:22.88
Thank you, John. Yeah.
00:46:22.91\00:46:24.25
So six years of volunteer
ministry in South Australia,
00:46:24.28\00:46:27.95
and then we're
privileged to serve for 11 years
00:46:27.98\00:46:32.22
of full time ministry
in North New South Wales
00:46:32.25\00:46:34.69
before retirement.
00:46:34.72\00:46:36.09
Excellent.
00:46:36.12\00:46:37.46
Now you, Monica,
00:46:37.49\00:46:38.93
you have a story
relating to Adele, haven't you?
00:46:38.96\00:46:41.90
Yes, I have.
I'd love to hear it.
00:46:41.93\00:46:43.97
I'm sure the viewers will too.
00:46:44.00\00:46:45.43
Yes, it's quite an interesting
story really, 'cause it was in,
00:46:45.47\00:46:50.11
I think it was in
Adele's last year at Avondale.
00:46:50.14\00:46:53.48
And she was doing communication
and marketing course.
00:46:53.51\00:46:57.35
And I think the group
00:46:57.38\00:47:00.82
of students in this course
had been asked to do something,
00:47:00.85\00:47:05.05
prepare surveys or
something for ADRA.
00:47:05.09\00:47:08.29
That's the Adventist
Development and Relief Agency.
00:47:08.32\00:47:11.49
Yes.
00:47:11.53\00:47:12.86
And then they were called,
00:47:12.89\00:47:14.53
when they'd
finished all of this,
00:47:14.56\00:47:15.90
they were called to go
down to Sydney to sort of review
00:47:15.93\00:47:19.80
the results of their work.
00:47:19.83\00:47:21.94
And so they all
traveled down in different cars,
00:47:21.97\00:47:26.11
and that Adele wasn't
driving at that stage.
00:47:26.14\00:47:28.88
So she went with someone else.
00:47:28.91\00:47:30.38
And as they're going
00:47:30.41\00:47:32.61
down the M1.
00:47:32.65\00:47:36.62
She said they got to a place
00:47:36.65\00:47:38.02
where traffic comes in
from the left hand side
00:47:38.05\00:47:41.09
of the road.
00:47:41.12\00:47:42.46
On the on ramp. Yes.
00:47:42.49\00:47:43.86
And they were in
the left hand lane.
00:47:43.89\00:47:46.83
And she said suddenly, it was
00:47:46.86\00:47:49.96
as though they
were going to have
00:47:50.00\00:47:52.00
an accident because it
was this huge semi-trailer
00:47:52.03\00:47:55.00
coming in on their
right, and this other one
00:47:55.04\00:47:57.61
coming down the ramp,
00:47:57.64\00:47:59.01
and they were
converging right there.
00:47:59.04\00:48:01.58
And she said, it was as
though that was the end of us.
00:48:01.61\00:48:05.88
And she said, but next
thing, everything was okay.
00:48:05.91\00:48:10.15
And we just kept on going.
00:48:10.19\00:48:12.25
But the strangest thing
was that, that afternoon,
00:48:12.29\00:48:17.43
Clive and I, this was,
00:48:17.46\00:48:19.16
we were still in
Singleton at this stage.
00:48:19.19\00:48:21.60
And Clive and I were going
up to Muswellbrook to do some
00:48:21.63\00:48:24.10
visitation and so forth and,
00:48:24.13\00:48:26.43
and I fell asleep in the
car on the way to Muswellbrook.
00:48:26.47\00:48:29.44
It's about 50 K's from
Singleton to Muswellbrook,
00:48:29.47\00:48:32.87
and I'm sort of snoozing away.
00:48:32.91\00:48:34.64
The next thing,
this voice said to me,
00:48:34.68\00:48:37.41
pray for Adele,
pray for her now.
00:48:37.45\00:48:40.82
And I'm sort of trying to wake
up and the voice came again,
00:48:40.85\00:48:45.25
pray for Adele,
pray for her now.
00:48:45.29\00:48:48.82
And I said, God, I
don't know why I'm praying,
00:48:48.86\00:48:51.69
but whatever it
is, she's in Your care,
00:48:51.73\00:48:54.60
please take care of her.
00:48:54.63\00:48:57.23
And we went on
and did our visitation
00:48:57.27\00:49:00.44
and got home
probably about 7 o'clock
00:49:00.47\00:49:04.17
or something that evening,
8 o'clock the phone rang,
00:49:04.21\00:49:09.54
and it was Adele.
00:49:09.58\00:49:11.08
And I thought this is strange
because she doesn't usually
00:49:11.11\00:49:14.25
ring out, she
wants to save her money.
00:49:14.28\00:49:16.38
So mom and dad ring her.
00:49:16.42\00:49:17.92
Thatâ  s exactly right.
00:49:17.95\00:49:19.45
She's still the
same today by the way.
00:49:19.49\00:49:22.32
And I said, "How are you?"
00:49:22.36\00:49:24.93
And she said,
"Oh yeah, all right."
00:49:24.96\00:49:27.76
And there was a sort of
silence and then I said,
00:49:27.80\00:49:31.03
"I wanna tell you
something, I said today
00:49:31.07\00:49:33.44
when dad and I were
going up to Muswellbrook,
00:49:33.47\00:49:36.17
I said, I went to sleep
00:49:36.20\00:49:37.54
and I said next thing
this voice woke me up,
00:49:37.57\00:49:39.97
saying pray for Adele.
00:49:40.01\00:49:41.91
Pray for her now."
00:49:41.94\00:49:44.05
And there was another
big silence on the end
00:49:44.08\00:49:47.48
of the phone.
00:49:47.52\00:49:48.95
And Adele said,
"What time was that?"
00:49:48.98\00:49:52.79
And I said, "It was
about half past two."
00:49:52.82\00:49:56.79
And she said, "Oh."
00:49:56.83\00:50:00.90
And I said, "What's wrong?"
00:50:00.93\00:50:04.43
And she said, "At that time,
00:50:04.47\00:50:06.57
we thought we were going to have
00:50:06.60\00:50:07.94
a terrible accident on the M1."
00:50:07.97\00:50:11.31
And she said, "It was like,
the trucks just moved apart.
00:50:11.34\00:50:15.21
And we, we were all okay."
00:50:15.24\00:50:20.25
And then I
said, again, you know,
00:50:20.28\00:50:23.52
I said, I was woken up.
00:50:23.55\00:50:26.45
And this voice said,
I said, that could have
00:50:26.49\00:50:28.76
only been an angel or
God speaking to me to pray.
00:50:28.79\00:50:32.39
Prompting of the Holy Spirit.
00:50:32.43\00:50:34.33
To pray. That's right.
00:50:34.36\00:50:36.33
And, you know, we've
never forgotten that.
00:50:36.36\00:50:39.80
I'm sure you will
never forget it, you know.
00:50:39.83\00:50:42.70
So, I always thought with
Adele from when she was a baby.
00:50:42.74\00:50:48.18
And she was dedicated.
00:50:48.21\00:50:49.81
And I've often
thought that God has something
00:50:49.84\00:50:52.91
special for her to do.
00:50:52.95\00:50:55.15
And, you know, if
he would save her life,
00:50:55.18\00:50:57.22
and perhaps the life of a couple
00:50:57.25\00:50:58.69
of other young people
there, God has a plan for them.
00:50:58.72\00:51:02.36
Yes. That's right.
00:51:02.39\00:51:04.33
Definitely.
00:51:04.36\00:51:06.06
Sorry if I get a
bit teary about that.
00:51:06.09\00:51:08.16
No, it's a very moving story.
00:51:08.20\00:51:10.30
It would be very impacting.
00:51:10.33\00:51:12.73
Clive, you have a
story to tell that
00:51:12.77\00:51:17.27
where you were nearly drowned.
00:51:17.31\00:51:19.81
You nearly drowned in the river?
00:51:19.84\00:51:21.21
Oh, yes. Yes.
00:51:21.24\00:51:24.61
Again, back to Townsville,
and I was just a lad,
00:51:24.65\00:51:30.02
primary school led, you
know, swimming in a tidal creek.
00:51:30.05\00:51:33.92
And my parents were
sitting on the bank watching on
00:51:33.96\00:51:37.09
and I got into difficulties.
00:51:37.13\00:51:38.89
I think there was
a change in the tide
00:51:38.93\00:51:40.63
and the water
was swirling around
00:51:40.66\00:51:42.86
and it's kind of like
forming, you know, whirlpools
00:51:42.90\00:51:47.40
under the bridge and I
was getting dragged down.
00:51:47.44\00:51:50.37
And all of a sudden,
00:51:50.41\00:51:51.74
my father saw that
that I was in difficulty.
00:51:51.77\00:51:54.74
Not even thinking to
take his glasses off,
00:51:54.78\00:51:57.85
he just dived in.
00:51:57.88\00:52:00.02
And I distinctly remember,
00:52:00.05\00:52:02.42
you know, trying
to pull him down while
00:52:02.45\00:52:04.12
I'm trying to get up for breath.
00:52:04.15\00:52:06.05
Anyway, yes, he saved,
saved me from drowning.
00:52:06.09\00:52:10.06
But lost his glasses?
00:52:10.09\00:52:11.43
Lost his glasses,
but saved his son.
00:52:11.46\00:52:13.36
I would say that he thought
the deal was a very good one.
00:52:13.40\00:52:17.83
He'd rather have
son than his glasses.
00:52:17.87\00:52:19.80
Being at Townsville, being
adventurous into those rivers
00:52:19.83\00:52:23.34
or waters with
crocodiles, you know?
00:52:23.37\00:52:27.84
Most people would
say that's interesting.
00:52:27.88\00:52:31.55
That's for sure. Yes.
00:52:31.58\00:52:33.28
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00:52:33.31\00:52:36.12
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00:52:36.15\00:52:38.62
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mail@3abnaustralia.org.au
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Thank you for all you do
to help us like the world
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with the glory of God's truth.
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I hope you got those details.
00:53:46.72\00:53:48.46
And, you know, our work
00:53:48.49\00:53:50.26
is based on a
faith based ministry.
00:53:50.29\00:53:52.99
We believe that God provides
00:53:53.03\00:53:54.56
as He touches your heart
00:53:54.60\00:53:55.93
and the Holy
Spirit moves upon you.
00:53:55.96\00:53:57.77
There is a great need to
get the gospel out in such
00:53:57.80\00:54:00.74
a way as never before.
00:54:00.77\00:54:02.37
The last three
angels' messages are very
00:54:02.40\00:54:04.07
pertinent for the
times in which we live.
00:54:04.11\00:54:06.27
And we'd
encourage you to pray for us
00:54:06.31\00:54:07.88
and we really
need that as we see
00:54:07.91\00:54:10.61
the day approaching.
00:54:10.65\00:54:12.05
Now, Pastor Clive, you mentioned
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you went into ministry
full time at a later part
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of your life before you retired
because I actually attended
00:54:16.65\00:54:20.12
one of your churches that
you minister that at Lakeside
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in New South Wales.
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And how many other churches
were you've been involved in?
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Well, it's been five years
initially here in the North
00:54:28.40\00:54:32.20
New South Wales
Conference at Singleton
00:54:32.23\00:54:35.70
and
Muswellbrook Churches and we,
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you know, they're little
country churches but the Lord
00:54:39.97\00:54:42.24
blessed us.
00:54:42.28\00:54:44.05
I think we had an average
of five baptisms per year
00:54:44.08\00:54:48.12
during those five years there.
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And ran mission
programs, of course.
00:54:52.59\00:54:54.82
You know, I was asked
to run mission programs.
00:54:54.86\00:54:57.29
And then we were
called to Lakeside Church.
00:54:57.33\00:55:01.46
And I think I was there
for six years at Lakeside.
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And there also
you had Dungog Church.
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And for the latter part of
the service at Lakeside area
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is a little country
church called Dungog.
00:55:10.67\00:55:12.77
And we went
there with you at least
00:55:12.81\00:55:14.68
twice on the
Sabbath to join you there.
00:55:14.71\00:55:17.71
I had the privilege of inviting
you to sing there, Rosemary.
00:55:17.75\00:55:20.42
Yes, and take
the Sabbath School.
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Something like that.
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You know what I just
wanna say is, Pastor Clive,
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you'll know His voice.
00:55:25.25\00:55:27.62
He's been our opening
speaker at our homecoming
00:55:27.66\00:55:32.39
that we've had.
00:55:32.43\00:55:33.76
He speaks on the open
and the close of the radio.
00:55:33.80\00:55:35.93
Yeah.
00:55:35.96\00:55:37.30
And you've done,
you're involved as a host on,
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Let God Speak.
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And I'd encourage you to
take time to look at that,
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because that's what
we do here in Australia
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with the Sabbath School
lesson that each and one
00:55:46.21\00:55:48.61
of you I hope is
studying every day.
00:55:48.64\00:55:50.48
Because I was very
familiar with saying, "Hello,
00:55:50.51\00:55:53.11
I'm Clive Nash,
welcome to Let God Speak."
00:55:53.15\00:55:57.45
You once said, what did you
say you had a voice for radio?
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Is that what you said?
00:55:59.82\00:56:01.16
I have a good voice for radio.
00:56:01.19\00:56:03.83
Not a good, a
good face or radio.
00:56:03.86\00:56:05.29
Yes, that's it, that's the one.
00:56:05.33\00:56:07.03
So you did radio voiceovers
at some stage, did you?
00:56:07.06\00:56:11.27
Only for 3ABN, yes.
00:56:11.30\00:56:12.87
All right, because you
have the voice that would
00:56:12.90\00:56:14.50
have worked well for that, too.
00:56:14.54\00:56:17.41
And we really appreciated
what you've done for us.
00:56:17.44\00:56:19.61
You've got a little book
there, I just want to mention.
00:56:19.64\00:56:22.88
What is the book?
00:56:22.91\00:56:24.45
Well, yes, I thought, you know,
sometimes your children say,
00:56:24.48\00:56:28.38
I wish I'd asked my parents
when they were still alive.
00:56:28.42\00:56:31.12
That's exactly
true. That's very true.
00:56:31.15\00:56:33.36
So I wrote up my dad's story.
00:56:33.39\00:56:37.03
It's quite a large volume there,
00:56:37.06\00:56:41.20
full of photos and
stories and things.
00:56:41.23\00:56:45.20
It's quite fascinating when
you go back into your family
00:56:45.23\00:56:47.90
history and find
different things, isn't that?
00:56:47.94\00:56:50.41
Yes, yeah.
00:56:50.44\00:56:51.87
Just in a few words,
Monica, you met Clive,
00:56:51.91\00:56:54.54
you've lived with him now.
00:56:54.58\00:56:55.91
How long have you been married?
00:56:55.94\00:56:57.41
Fifty and a half years.
00:56:57.45\00:56:59.01
Fifty and a half years.
00:56:59.05\00:57:00.72
Can you praise God for
all that He has led you
00:57:00.75\00:57:03.75
through all these years?
00:57:03.79\00:57:05.29
I'm sure we can because
00:57:05.32\00:57:08.92
when I consider my earlier life,
00:57:08.96\00:57:11.06
and that I guess
if because I sort
00:57:11.09\00:57:13.29
of went away in my
beliefs for a while.
00:57:13.33\00:57:16.67
And I think God
brought Clive into my life
00:57:16.70\00:57:18.90
just at the right time.
00:57:18.93\00:57:20.34
To bring him.
00:57:20.37\00:57:21.70
You know, God
always has a plan for us.
00:57:21.74\00:57:23.81
That's right.
00:57:23.84\00:57:25.17
And, you know, there's no
doubt about that in my mind,
00:57:25.21\00:57:28.14
and I couldn't have
wished for a better husband.
00:57:28.18\00:57:30.45
Oh... Praise God.
00:57:30.48\00:57:31.81
What a beautiful way
to finish the program.
00:57:31.85\00:57:33.82
What a lovely sentiment.
00:57:33.85\00:57:35.65
We've been talking
with Pastor Clive Nash
00:57:35.68\00:57:38.45
and his dear wife, Monica.
00:57:38.49\00:57:40.46
And we pray that
you've enjoyed the show
00:57:40.49\00:57:42.42
and we look forward to
seeing you again next time.
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