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Welcome to our Program,
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we're really
glad you've joined us
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because we've got
something really special today.
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I know I always say
that but this time...
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I mean, it is always true
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but this time it's
more true than ever
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because we have a new
thing that we're starting
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at 3ABN Australia
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and we want you to be involved.
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Now, we have two people here
who are our special guests today
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and they have a very
big role in what we've...
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in what we are doing
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and we're launching
it today, aren't we?
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Pastor Mike: We
are... yeah, it's exciting.
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Rosemary: This is
Pastor Mike Browning
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and Dr. Sven Ostring
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and we're really
glad that you're with us
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because we're
excited to show the people
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what we've been doing.
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Sven: It's good
to be here as well.
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Rosemary: Yes.
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John: These two gentlemen
that we just introduced
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are involved with 3ABN
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and I take my hat off
to Pastor Mike Browning
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because he's committed
himself to do a program called:
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"Let God Speak"
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and right now, it's
viewing all around the world,
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in fact,
everyone is accessing it
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and we're hearing lots
of good reports about it,
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we'd like you... and encourage
you to have a look at that
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and Sven, you have been involved
with another interesting program
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on Evolution Impossible
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and that is so popular...
we had some statistics today
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and both programs are
being very much appreciated.
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We thank you Gentlemen for being
involved with 3ABN Australia.
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Sven: You know, John,
I actually heard today
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that there was a mom who
has an eight-year old boy
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studying Science
and in the church
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wondering whether
evolution is true...
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whether he should abandon
his faith and so I want to...
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so, it's been a really...
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it's been a blessing
to be a part of a program
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which being... promoting faith.
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Rosemary: So, he
has been watching it?
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Sven: Well... we will... we
will encourage him to watch it
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but, you know, he...
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he is comparing
what we have in Science
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and what we have
in the Bible so...
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we look forward to seeing
young people get used to it...
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use it as well.
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Rosemary: That's a
really good opportunity.
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Now, you've got
some Bible verses.
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John: I've got a Bible verse,
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Sven, I'm going to
ask you questions about it
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and it's found in
Isaiah chapter 52 and verse 7.
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The Bible says, "How
beautiful upon the mountains
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are the feet of him
who brings good news,
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who proclaims peace,
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who brings glad
tidings of good things,
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who says to Zion,
'Your God reigns!'"
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Sven: Hmmm... hmmm...
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John, you know, this verse
has such rich meaning for me,
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I think every single
line has something to say
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to each one of us...
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I mean, you know, having
lived in New Zealand for...
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for many years... the
mountains are really beautiful
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but in particular,
it's talking about people
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who are willing
to... to go the distance...
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face the... the challenges
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to bring good
news... the gospel...
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to bring salvation as well
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and I think that...
that's really amazing
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and it really
focusses on the... the feet
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and sometimes you wonder
why... why... why the feet,
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you know, what... what's
so beautiful about the feet?
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I mean, there's a
whole sermon in this, John...
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it's... it's really amazing
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but if I were to boil it
down and make it really simple
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and not try and make
it too complicated, Mike,
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I think the thing is this,
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is that "feet" means that
you're actually getting up
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off your seats
and taking action.
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You're...
you're going somewhere.
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Rosemary: Stepping out.
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Sven: Stepping out...
Mike: Doing something.
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Sven: Exactly... exactly...
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but you're doing it
because you want other people
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to hear the
good news about Jesus
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and... and not only the
good news about Jesus...
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a... a... a
message of peace as well
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in a troubled world
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but also, I like
this at the bottom as well
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who tells the world,
"Your God reigns... "
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that there's a God in
heaven who is sovereign
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over the things on earth...
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the things that are
happening not just random...
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there... there's actual...
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there's a God
who's watching over us
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and for me, every single
line has... has rich meaning.
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I think it encourages us.
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Let's be people who go
to share the good news.
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Rosemary: That's right.
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John: And it's all
good things. Sven: It is.
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Rosemary: Now speak
John, with the gospel shoes.
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Sven: Exactly... exactly.
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Rosemary: I've
got one for you Mike,
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it is Romans
chapter 10 verses 14 and 15
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and it goes with what Sven had,
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"How then shall they call on Him
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in whom they have not believed?
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And how shall
they believe in Him
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of whom they have not heard?
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And how shall they
hear without a preacher?
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And how shall they
preach except they be sent?
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As it is written:
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'How beautiful
are the feet of them
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that preach the gospel of peace,
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and bring glad
tidings of good things!'"
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Mike: Yes, we can...
it's a fantastic Scripture
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and I love the way that it
builds on Isaiah's statement,
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the one that you
shared there, Sven,
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it's just such a
very simple message
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and the message
is... quite plainly there
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in chapter 10
Romans... verse 14,
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"How shall I call on Him in
whom they have not believed?
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And how shall
they believe in Him
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of whom they have not heard?"
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You know, you think
of your own experience
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coming to the Lord, you know,
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and if my now... we
had buried my mother-in-law
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just a couple of months
ago at 99 years of age...
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and if she hadn't been
interested in sharing her faith
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with a few wild
Colonial boys up in New Guinea,
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Rosemary: Like
yourself... Mike: Like myself...
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then, I wouldn't
be sitting here today.
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I wouldn't have had the joy
of serving God with my life,
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I mean... because she
took the trouble and the time
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to reach out to
these young people...
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reaching out to me,
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so, you've got to...
you've got to say something...
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people need to hear
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and... and then I love
that statement from Isaiah
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that Paul quotes here,
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when he says, "How
beautiful are the feet
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of those who preach
the gospel of peace. "
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Sven: I want to
share a secret with you,
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when I was... when I got
the message from Rosemary
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over what Bible text
would I like to bring out today,
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I was actually
thinking of this one
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and then,
something inside me said,
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"Don't choose this one, go back
to the... the one in Isaiah... "
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Rosemary: The original.
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Sven: and...
and... and then when I...
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when I got your
reply from you...
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both affirming the... the
Bible verse that I had chosen
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and then, you sharing
this one, I thought...
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Isn't this
amazing... God was actually...
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the Holy Spirit was
speaking to both of us
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in a way which is really
united on sharing the gospel...
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going and sharing the gospel.
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Mike: Yeah, look at... you know,
when God's people are sharing
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the good news,
mostly I find a stack.
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Rosemary: Well, what
we're talking about today
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is a way that people can
put on those gospel shoes
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and go and spread
the gospel where you are
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in a very simple way
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and Mike, I would like you
to just give us a basic idea
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of what we're
talking about today...
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how you began...
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what has actually
come to fruition now?
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Okay, when I was
in full-time ministry,
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that is... employed
in full-time ministry,
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I've always asked the
personal ministries men
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and you've been a
Personal Ministries man, Sven,
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"Look, have we got
any good tracts I can use
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you know, out in my churches?"
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And the answer
was always, "No... "
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believe it or
not... it was a "No... "
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and somewhere in the
back of my mind I thought,
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"I should do
something about that... "
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and... but I'm too
busy... I have too much to do.
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John: It's always
an excuse isn't it?
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Mike: But we'll always be
too busy... isn't that true?
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anyhow, the long and
the short of it is...
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ten years ago when we were asked
to go out to Norfolk Island
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to do some relief
ministry out there,
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that little voice came again,
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so I said, "Right,
we're going to do it. "
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So, I started there...
worked with Brendon Pratt...
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fine young man who
was in Personal Ministries
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in Greater Sydney
Conference at the time
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and he was tremendous
and we worked together...
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and there were other
people who contributed there
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at the Greater Sydney Conference
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and finally,
Folks, we had those...
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and... they...
they... they were printed
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mostly in Greater Sydney...
there's the whole lot...
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Rosemary: The five
that you had at that time.
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Mike: Okay, those
are the five that we did.
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Rosemary: It has grown.
Mike: It has grown a lot.
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They were good...
they were a little bit dear
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and maybe that was
part of the reason why
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it stayed within
Greater Sydney as far as I know,
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it stayed within Greater Sydney
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but we felt... and I've
been feeling for some time,
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we need to make
these more user friendly
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and so, that's a
little bit of the history
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and we talked... I talked
to you, John, and you Rosemary.
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Rosemary: Well, I first
saw these at a Sabbath lunch
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when we were with
Cecily and Barry Harker
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when they were
living in Barnell's Bay
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and you were at the
lunch... we were at the lunch...
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some others were at the lunch
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and you brought these
out at the table and said,
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"Here, have a look
at these, everybody... "
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well, I looked at
them and I thought,
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"Well, the
content seems pretty good
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but they don't look very
interesting on the outside. "
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Mike: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Rosemary: And I don't know if
I picked them up and really...
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no, not all of them anyway...
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and... and really
have a look at them
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if they weren't
given to me to... to say,
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"Here, have a look
and say what you think. "
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So, John said, basically,
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"Well let's see what
we can do working on them
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and we'll try and
make them look smart. "
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Mike: Yeah, Yeah, and we
started working didn't we
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with Danielle Sinot
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you asked her to do
that when she was here and...
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Rosemary: Yes, she
started formatting the original.
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Mike: Yeah, and
did some good work
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and it just went from
there slowly but surely.
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John: But it was
slow. Mike: It was slow.
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John: It's like,
when... when something's good...
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there's always some
obstacles and you know,
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we know who's
good at that because...
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Rosemary: One of them
is... enough time too.
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Mike: That's right,
well everyone is busy,
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let's face it...
it's fitting the extra in.
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John: But we did... we
did complete the project
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and we're very
glad now to have...
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and I have them in our hands,
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they just arrived from
the Printing Press last week
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we ordered over...
nearly 200,000 in fact, right?
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And so, we're going to
be talking about them today
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and this is
something everyone can have
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as an evangelistic tool.
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Mark's going to
tell us a little bit...
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we're going to go through
one by one what they are about
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and how you can use them.
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Rosemary: Well, the original
one you had was: Paradise...
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Sabbath Peace in our Time...
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Five Minutes After Death...
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What's Wrong With the World?
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and: The Journey of a Lifetime
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but we ended up... finally
when we got them printed,
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we had ten... not five...
we actually went to seven
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but somehow Sven got involved
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what happened, Sven?
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Sven: I did... I did... well,
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I got an e-mail from
John one morning and he said,
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"Based on the
Evolution Impossible Series
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that we produced or
from that experience... "
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and John and Mike as well,
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you said, "How would you
like to actually write this out
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in a... a simple tract
that could be communicated to
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to secular people and...
and young people as well... "
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and I mean, John, you
know that I have a real
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passion for Creation.
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John: Oh, I know you do.
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Sven: And to write that was a...
was a real joy and a privilege,
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I must say, and...
so... so I did that
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and I guess it just kind of
snowballed from there, right?
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Mike: It should be mentioned,
sorry... Rosemary, go on.
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Rosemary: I was going to
say then you came up with
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a second one.
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Mike: Before... before we
get to that, can I just mention
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that the e-mail
came to you one day
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asking you if you
could think about that
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and faster than
a speeding bullet.
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Rosemary: Yes, he had it back.
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Mike: He had it back the
next day, I couldn't believe it.
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John: Neither could I and
so, it was quite staggering.
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Sven: I was trying to
beat the speed of light.
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Rosemary: We must also say
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that you had first approached
Dr. John Ashton on writing one
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but sometimes you
need to get someone...
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I mean, he has so
much information...
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what does he put in there?
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Mike: Yes, he did a
good job actually with his...
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but it was very
technical and... and we...
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and probably not suitable
for your average lay person
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who's just reading it and
has no scientific background.
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Sven: But what I would say is
that John has actually proofread
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this tract... and so...
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he is... so, he is
aware of what's in that
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and he... he sees that
it's scientifically valid
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but it's also a good
communication for the public.
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Mike: Yeah, he told
me he was very happy
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with the work
that you did on it.
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John: You know what I
like about these tracts, Mike,
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is there's a lot of them out
there... a lot of information
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but this is really a
Bible Study on this subject
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using the Word of God to
give clarification and detail
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to what we're talking about.
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Rosemary: But it's
not done as a Bible Study
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it's just done as
something we can read through
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and get the information
with the Bible texts in there
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but you went on and helped...
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you were the main
contributor for two more
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so, you were really...
the last three that we had...
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you were involved
with getting those written.
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It was... the last one was
a little bit of a group effort
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after you had done the original
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but these tracts
have been something
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we've been trying to
get out for a long time...
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a lot of people have
been involved in editing
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and in adding or... or adjusting
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and you and I have spent a
lot of time sitting down...
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going through them together
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and... and through e-mails
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so, they've taken
quite a bit of time
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to get them done so
that they're really good.
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Mike: And readable... so
people can read them readily,
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follow them...
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they're in
point-form facts by the way
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which makes it easy to follow
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and yes, it's
very Scripture focused.
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Rosemary: And I know that with
some of them Joel has spent time
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looking for the
appropriate photos
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to go on the covers...
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just as I have spent
some time doing that as well.
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I just want to say that
on the back of all of them,
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we have this... the code...
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I don't remember
what you call them...
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Panel: It's QR Code.
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Rosemary: QR
Code... that's right,
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so, people can hold
their phone up to that
00:15:03.60\00:15:05.97
and they'll get the link to
go to the 3ABN Australia website
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so, then they can start finding
out more about 3ABN Australia,
00:15:10.14\00:15:14.18
and watching programs...
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more about what
the tracts are about...
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the things that are in them
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and I think that they
have been wonderfully done,
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and they've turned out
better than I had hoped.
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I don't know about you, Mike.
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Mike: I'm really
thrilled with them, Rosemary,
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the way they've come out
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and just opening them
up, they just look like...
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they just look readable...
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you don't open up and think,
"Oh, it's a bit daunting... "
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you know, "all those words... "
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but no... it's readable.
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You open them up just like that
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and you read
that... and you read that
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and then you just close
them in half and in half again
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and they're like a
Glow-Tract type of thing
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but they're called: Insight
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so, these are
the Insight Tracts.
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Sven: And the key is...
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that we've really focused
on making them simple and clear
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so you... so that a person
can, as you were saying, Mike,
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you can... you can be
sitting down at a train station
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or a bus stop and just
pull it out and have read.
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Rosemary: And lunch break.
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Sven: And you won't
stumble over any words
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but by the time you
get to the end of it,
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you'll know what the
Bible wants to say to you
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on that particular topic.
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Rosemary: Hmmm... John,
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now you want to go
through them, don't you?
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John: I do and as you can
see, this is the first one,
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it's called: "Why
do Bad Things Happen?"
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And you can see on the screen
there... it's a crime scene...
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that was one of the
ones we've done, Mike,
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for a specific reason
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particularly right now,
we have the COVID-19 virus
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in this world...
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and people are asking,
"Why do bad things happen?"
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So, there's an answer really
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to most of the bad things
that happen, wouldn't you say?
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Mike: Yes, there
is... there is, I mean,
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nobody could avoid
acknowledging that there is
00:16:53.88\00:16:56.68
a negative evil
power in the world
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and in this... in this little
brochure we identify that path
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and deal with
how we can cope with
00:17:03.92\00:17:07.96
and actually find
appropriate protection
00:17:07.99\00:17:11.03
and guidance
through... through life
00:17:11.06\00:17:14.23
knowing that we have the
power of God to protect us,
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it's a very important thing.
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Rosemary: In here... there
are different headings in blue
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and the headings
to start this one
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is: What is
Wrong with the World?
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Who is this
enemy of God... Satan?
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The Conflict
moved to this earth.
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Why didn't God
get rid of Lucifer
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before he did so much
damage here on our earth?
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What was God doing while Lucifer
was taking over earth? etc.
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and so, you're
really telling the story
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of the great controversy.
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Mike: Yeah... hmmm...
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Rosemary: You
know, a small tract
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that will give people
the... the knowledge...
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the basic
knowledge of what is going on
00:17:54.90\00:17:57.14
and what God wants them
to do because you start...
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you finish off... "So
then, what can you do now?"
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Panel: Yeah... hmmm...
00:18:03.88\00:18:05.58
Mike: So there's a
conflict between good and evil
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on the earth,
there's no question about it
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and yes, we're right in
the thick of it, quite..
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right in the thick
of it right now and
00:18:13.22\00:18:15.12
for those who are
interested in using these...
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using these tracts...
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I'd just like to mention...
what did I do with that?
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I just like to mention
an amazing statement by
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by a little lady
named Ellen G. White...
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and she says this,
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"Publications
must be multiplied... "
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for those who are interested,
it's Colporteur Ministry, page 5
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"Publications must be
multiplied... scattered
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like the leaves of autumn... "
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some will be
familiar with that statement.
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"These silent
messengers are enlightening
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and molding the minds of
thousands in every country. "
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because if you've got
something in front of you
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to look at... and to read,
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you can think it through...
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you can check for the answers
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that obviously
come into your mind...
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you know, questions come in...
00:19:00.50\00:19:01.84
we want to know the answers.
00:19:01.87\00:19:03.20
Rosemary: Check
the Bible verses.
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Mike: And the
Scripture is there yeah.
00:19:04.61\00:19:05.94
Sven: And the other
thing, Rosemary, as well,
00:19:05.97\00:19:07.41
you know, thinking
of a sales situation,
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it's so important to...
to have that invitation...
00:19:10.25\00:19:13.48
to take the next step...
00:19:13.52\00:19:14.85
so... so what Mike
and I have done here
00:19:14.88\00:19:17.82
and together with
your editorial team
00:19:17.85\00:19:20.76
is not just provide information,
00:19:20.92\00:19:22.66
but it's... as you
said right at the end there,
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"So, what will you do...
what can you do right now?"
00:19:25.46\00:19:28.03
And I think that is
really, really important.
00:19:28.06\00:19:30.33
How... how can we
bring peace to the world
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and peace to our heart is
take the step towards Jesus.
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Mike: Hmmm...
00:19:36.94\00:19:38.47
Rosemary: I
think that this is a...
00:19:38.51\00:19:40.28
"Why do Bad Things Happen?"
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is a really pertinent
tract for the world today.
00:19:42.34\00:19:47.72
Panel: Hmmm... absolutely.
00:19:47.75\00:19:49.38
Rosemary: Anybody could hand
to anybody they're talking to
00:19:49.42\00:19:52.95
if they have to go to
the store to buy something,
00:19:52.99\00:19:56.32
they can give it to
somebody at the checkout
00:19:56.39\00:19:58.79
or... or something.
00:19:58.83\00:20:00.43
Mike: Neighbors
across the fence,
00:20:00.46\00:20:02.33
people are
interested in the answers.
00:20:02.36\00:20:05.00
Rosemary: Yeah, it's something,
"Why do bad things happen?"
00:20:05.03\00:20:06.37
people are
interested in knowing,
00:20:06.40\00:20:07.97
"Why are these things going on?"
00:20:08.00\00:20:10.04
and that's a very
good one for that.
00:20:10.07\00:20:12.01
What have you got
next... what's the second one?
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John: The second one is
called: The Mark of the Beast
00:20:15.34\00:20:19.35
and as you can see there,
00:20:19.38\00:20:21.28
a lot of people have this
idea that it's a... a bar code
00:20:21.32\00:20:26.29
or some 666 or
something like that,
00:20:26.32\00:20:29.56
but the Bible is
very clear and this...
00:20:29.62\00:20:32.79
this is a real answer to
that particular question,
00:20:32.83\00:20:36.80
"What is the Mark of the Beast?"
00:20:36.83\00:20:38.93
And the tract deals with that
00:20:38.97\00:20:40.97
and I'm sure you will
find it very, very interesting
00:20:41.00\00:20:44.31
and it will take you through
00:20:44.34\00:20:45.91
to the point where
you will fully understand.
00:20:45.94\00:20:49.88
This is a... a one
that's pretty pertinent today.
00:20:49.91\00:20:53.72
Mike: It is... it is.
00:20:53.75\00:20:55.08
John: And so,
Mike, you wrote this one.
00:20:55.12\00:20:57.22
Mike: Yeah, I felt under a lot
of pressure to put this on paper
00:20:57.25\00:21:00.29
and to have this one
from the Lord, that is...
00:21:00.32\00:21:02.62
and people... like, if you
ask even a good Bible student,
00:21:02.69\00:21:07.83
"Just give me in
a... in a few moments
00:21:07.86\00:21:10.07
and tell me what the
Mark of the Beast is... "
00:21:10.13\00:21:12.83
and a lot of people...
even good Bible students
00:21:12.87\00:21:15.50
would struggle with that,
so, this makes it real simple.
00:21:15.54\00:21:20.21
You just hand it to someone...
00:21:20.24\00:21:22.44
having read it
yourself first preferably,
00:21:22.48\00:21:24.05
and made
yourself familiar with it
00:21:24.08\00:21:27.25
and the answers are there
00:21:27.28\00:21:29.48
and the things
that people need to know
00:21:29.52\00:21:31.09
and right now, with the
earth basically in the turmoil
00:21:31.12\00:21:35.32
that it's in...
00:21:35.36\00:21:36.69
and all of us are wondering
just where about are we
00:21:36.73\00:21:40.16
in the great stream
of history as God sees it
00:21:40.20\00:21:43.87
and this is becoming,
I think, very pertinent.
00:21:43.90\00:21:47.00
Sven: And the other
thing is in... in Media
00:21:47.04\00:21:50.01
the... the whole
concept of Mark of the Beast
00:21:50.04\00:21:53.38
and 666 is one of
the... the symbols shall I say
00:21:53.41\00:21:56.68
which is quite well known
00:21:56.71\00:21:58.25
so... so it's something
which would... as you're saying
00:21:58.28\00:22:02.38
kind of grab people's attention.
00:22:02.42\00:22:04.15
It's an interest point.
00:22:04.19\00:22:05.55
Rosemary: That's
right. Mike: It is... yeah.
00:22:05.62\00:22:07.72
Rosemary: Very much so.
00:22:07.76\00:22:09.32
Mike: Apart from being
something people need to know
00:22:09.36\00:22:12.16
and this deals with the
issues the whole world will face
00:22:12.19\00:22:15.60
at the end of
time... end of history.
00:22:15.63\00:22:17.37
John: The other
thing I want to mention
00:22:17.40\00:22:19.30
on the back of
the brochure itself...
00:22:19.33\00:22:21.17
the little tract it says...
00:22:21.20\00:22:22.90
it has some titles of the other
Series that are available...
00:22:22.94\00:22:26.64
Rosemary: Of the
other... other titles.
00:22:26.68\00:22:28.04
John: The other titles so,
we'll be talking little bit
00:22:28.08\00:22:30.71
later on how
you can get involved
00:22:30.75\00:22:32.78
and how you can
get hold of these
00:22:32.81\00:22:35.08
and we want you to be involved.
00:22:35.12\00:22:37.32
It's like... you
helping other people to know
00:22:37.35\00:22:40.39
what's in these tracts
00:22:40.42\00:22:42.26
and I'm thinking
particularly, Pastor Mike,
00:22:42.29\00:22:44.69
about the people
in the islands...
00:22:44.73\00:22:46.26
Papua New
Guinea... Solomon... Fiji...
00:22:46.29\00:22:47.76
where they can have
these tracts because they are
00:22:47.80\00:22:50.80
in a very specific language...
00:22:50.83\00:22:53.23
it's easy to understand
00:22:53.27\00:22:54.70
and it's easy to follow
00:22:54.74\00:22:56.10
and it's... it's backed
from texts from the Bible.
00:22:56.14\00:22:58.71
Mike: Yeah... yeah... they're
a good little Bible study.
00:22:58.74\00:23:01.34
Sven: And what I've really
liked about this one, Mike,
00:23:01.38\00:23:03.88
was that you placed it in the
big picture of the whole Bible
00:23:03.95\00:23:07.78
so, it wasn't necessarily a...
00:23:07.82\00:23:10.49
you know, just a kind
of newspapers on one hand
00:23:10.55\00:23:14.06
and, you know, some sensational
ideas on the other hand...
00:23:14.09\00:23:18.49
it was really
right going from...
00:23:18.53\00:23:21.00
from the very
first page of the Bible
00:23:21.03\00:23:23.47
effectively, Genesis...
00:23:23.50\00:23:24.87
and showing how there
is a consistent pattern
00:23:24.90\00:23:27.94
with how we can
show loyalty to God
00:23:27.97\00:23:31.07
and... and... and
be faithful to Him
00:23:31.11\00:23:34.18
and I really appreciated
that when I read through this...
00:23:34.21\00:23:36.38
this Insight Tract.
00:23:36.41\00:23:38.11
Mike: Excellent.
00:23:38.15\00:23:39.81
Rosemary: And the other
thing just on that point
00:23:39.85\00:23:41.48
before we go on to
any of the others...
00:23:41.55\00:23:45.82
we sent... well
I sent these on PDF
00:23:45.85\00:23:50.09
to 3ABN's Pastoral Department
00:23:50.13\00:23:53.93
and asked them to
have a look at them
00:23:53.96\00:23:57.10
to give a critique...
00:23:57.13\00:23:59.20
you know, what...
what they thought...
00:23:59.23\00:24:00.84
and we also spoke to
them... the whole... whole group
00:24:00.87\00:24:05.97
on a Conference Call one morning
00:24:06.04\00:24:08.18
and...
00:24:08.21\00:24:10.51
they said... they loved them...
00:24:10.55\00:24:11.88
Mike: This is
the group in America.
00:24:11.91\00:24:13.25
John: Yes.
Rosemary: This is in the U. S.
00:24:13.28\00:24:14.62
and they want 3ABN USA
to produce these as well.
00:24:14.65\00:24:18.62
They say... they're so good...
00:24:18.65\00:24:20.79
they do the job so well...
00:24:20.86\00:24:23.22
they just have to change a
little bit of spelling like,
00:24:23.26\00:24:25.76
if they have "favour"
00:24:25.79\00:24:27.50
they have to take
the "u" out of favour
00:24:27.53\00:24:29.16
and make it
"or" instead of "our"
00:24:29.23\00:24:31.13
and a bit of punctuation...
00:24:31.17\00:24:33.07
we do differently in
Australia than what they do
00:24:33.13\00:24:35.70
small editing-type things
but they are really interested
00:24:35.74\00:24:40.74
and Jill Morikone is interested
in them doing it too, so...
00:24:40.78\00:24:45.95
and so we'll get their Executive
Committee to discuss it
00:24:45.98\00:24:51.12
but I'm sure they will end
up having these available also
00:24:51.15\00:24:53.82
in the US
because they are so good
00:24:53.86\00:24:58.16
and their... their Pastoral
Department have recognized
00:24:58.19\00:25:02.76
how good they are.
00:25:02.83\00:25:04.17
Mike: That's
leaves-of-autumn stuff isn't it?
00:25:04.20\00:25:07.34
Panel: Hmmm... Rosemary: Hmmm...
00:25:07.37\00:25:08.97
John: And we need to spread
these out as much as possible
00:25:09.00\00:25:12.07
to anywhere around the world
00:25:12.11\00:25:14.31
but the next one we're
going to be discussing...
00:25:14.34\00:25:16.75
Rosemary: That's a very
important topic... the next one.
00:25:16.78\00:25:18.68
John: Yes... 5
Minutes after Death
00:25:18.71\00:25:20.42
the Bible tells us, "The
living know that they shall die"
00:25:20.45\00:25:22.82
we're all sitting here
00:25:22.88\00:25:24.25
we don't think about
it unless we get older
00:25:24.29\00:25:26.55
that we're going to die
00:25:26.62\00:25:28.12
but what actually does
happen five minutes after death?
00:25:28.16\00:25:31.66
And this... this little
tract covers it very well.
00:25:31.69\00:25:35.33
I think, Pastor Mike,
you did an excellent job
00:25:35.36\00:25:38.93
in bringing out exactly
what happens to us when we die
00:25:38.97\00:25:43.07
and it's exciting...
00:25:43.10\00:25:45.54
it's exciting because life
doesn't have to end here...
00:25:45.57\00:25:50.51
there is something
beyond, isn't there?
00:25:50.55\00:25:52.65
Mike: There... there has to be,
00:25:52.68\00:25:54.02
we're all born with life
00:25:54.05\00:25:55.52
otherwise we
wouldn't be sitting here
00:25:55.55\00:25:56.92
we are alive... but we don't
have eternal life automatically
00:25:56.95\00:26:01.32
and that's a step
of faith that we take
00:26:01.39\00:26:04.26
and that is why the Son of
God, Jesus, came to the earth
00:26:04.29\00:26:08.00
to give us immortal life
which we don't naturally have
00:26:08.03\00:26:11.70
but He is able
to confer it upon us
00:26:11.73\00:26:14.30
and that's where our hope lies.
00:26:14.34\00:26:16.24
Rosemary: And the good
news of this tract is: Number 6,
00:26:16.27\00:26:19.01
God has a cure for death.
00:26:19.04\00:26:21.14
Panel: Wonderful... hmmm...
00:26:21.18\00:26:23.18
Rosemary: And at a time when
people are dying very easily,
00:26:23.21\00:26:26.78
people want to know what's
going to happen when they die
00:26:26.82\00:26:30.35
or when their loved one has
passed away, they want to know.
00:26:30.39\00:26:33.42
Mike: Yeah.
00:26:33.46\00:26:34.79
Sven: I was recently
involved in producing
00:26:34.82\00:26:36.62
an Evangelistic
Series for young people,
00:26:36.66\00:26:38.89
and early on we had focus groups
00:26:38.93\00:26:41.53
and one of the
things they said to me
00:26:41.56\00:26:43.53
which I found quite
interesting, they said,
00:26:43.57\00:26:45.60
"Young people
are really interested
00:26:45.63\00:26:47.44
in what happens after
you... after we die... "
00:26:47.47\00:26:50.67
you know, with all the zombies
and all those kinds of things
00:26:50.71\00:26:54.68
and so we... we included a topic
like this in the Video Series
00:26:54.74\00:26:59.01
but around... around that time
we also went for a cruise...
00:26:59.05\00:27:03.28
don't go on a
cruise right at the moment
00:27:03.35\00:27:05.95
but back then we
did and we decided to...
00:27:05.99\00:27:08.52
to leave similar kind of tracts
00:27:08.56\00:27:11.33
in the chapel on the cruise
00:27:11.36\00:27:13.63
and it was very interesting,
00:27:13.66\00:27:15.86
we had a few different titles
but it was the one on death
00:27:15.90\00:27:20.14
that actually was
going like hotcakes
00:27:20.17\00:27:23.51
and so, so this is
a very important one
00:27:23.54\00:27:26.78
and so I think it's
really a very interesting...
00:27:26.81\00:27:29.34
you know young people would find
it very interesting as well.
00:27:29.38\00:27:31.38
Rosemary: Everybody is
faced with this issue...
00:27:31.41\00:27:34.68
there's not one human
being who doesn't know
00:27:34.72\00:27:39.59
this is their fate
00:27:39.62\00:27:41.89
and we do have: Why
do bad things happen?
00:27:41.92\00:27:46.59
We have: The Mark of the Beast
00:27:46.63\00:27:48.00
and other ones but
this one... everybody faces
00:27:48.03\00:27:52.20
and it's actually
on a daily moment.
00:27:52.23\00:27:54.37
You don't know
when your time is up
00:27:54.40\00:27:58.51
whether you're a
child... a baby even...
00:27:58.54\00:28:00.91
or whether you're an older
person or someone in between
00:28:00.94\00:28:03.14
like, you know, your
mother-in-law died at 99,
00:28:03.18\00:28:05.71
you never know when
it's going to happen
00:28:05.75\00:28:08.88
but we all have to look
this squarely in the face,
00:28:08.92\00:28:11.35
that's why it
would be the popular one.
00:28:11.39\00:28:13.42
Mike: And not only that, there's
a lot of fear in communities
00:28:13.46\00:28:17.53
and in some cultures
it's stronger than others
00:28:17.56\00:28:19.93
about evil spirits and departed
loved ones, ghosts and the like
00:28:19.96\00:28:24.70
this sorts that
out very, very clearly.
00:28:24.73\00:28:28.70
The Bible is quite clear on that
00:28:28.74\00:28:30.87
and anybody who's got
that kind of a fear...
00:28:30.91\00:28:33.38
that's where this
little tract comes in.
00:28:33.41\00:28:35.84
Sven: Because they say the...
00:28:35.88\00:28:37.31
you know, the death
rate with the COVID-19 virus
00:28:37.35\00:28:39.81
is what 1.5- 2% whatever it is
00:28:39.88\00:28:42.08
but, of course, if you're
human, the death rate is a 100%
00:28:42.12\00:28:45.09
so, we do need to know...
we really do need to know.
00:28:45.12\00:28:48.72
John: I like that... the
next one we're looking at
00:28:48.76\00:28:52.33
is called: Paradise
00:28:52.36\00:28:53.83
and it's a little
tract... it's very peaceful...
00:28:53.86\00:28:57.50
I like that
picture... it's very peaceful
00:28:57.53\00:28:59.33
and, you know, when
you've lived through a turmoil
00:28:59.37\00:29:02.50
in your life or on this world
00:29:02.54\00:29:04.71
it's good to know
that there's a place
00:29:04.74\00:29:06.88
if you uphold what we
understand from the Bible...
00:29:06.94\00:29:10.25
believing in Jesus and
accepting Him as our Savior,
00:29:10.28\00:29:13.55
we will one day be in Paradise
00:29:13.58\00:29:16.02
and that's a... that's a...
00:29:16.05\00:29:18.42
Rosemary: And it
will be a place of peace
00:29:18.45\00:29:19.99
and just to answer the
question that Sven had before,
00:29:20.02\00:29:25.39
yes that swan was
in the photograph...
00:29:25.43\00:29:28.06
it's not... we
didn't put it in there...
00:29:28.10\00:29:30.70
it was already there.
00:29:30.77\00:29:32.23
Sven: That's amazing.
00:29:32.27\00:29:33.70
Rosemary: So, it
is a place of peace...
00:29:33.74\00:29:35.07
Paradise is the place you
want to be... God's Paradise.
00:29:35.10\00:29:38.11
John: Why did you entitle this
tract: Paradise, Pastor Mike?
00:29:38.14\00:29:41.44
Mike: Because everybody
wants to... to go to Paradise
00:29:41.48\00:29:44.98
and I think most
people have a mental picture
00:29:45.01\00:29:47.98
of what Paradise might be like
00:29:48.02\00:29:50.25
and the Bible
talks about Paradise.
00:29:50.29\00:29:52.79
You know, it's a
place so different
00:29:52.82\00:29:55.16
from the sin-sick
planet that we're on
00:29:55.19\00:29:57.53
with all the strife and trouble
00:29:57.56\00:29:58.89
and the disease and
everything that goes
00:29:58.93\00:30:01.43
and the pain, by the way.
00:30:01.46\00:30:03.00
John: What I like
about this tract...
00:30:03.03\00:30:04.97
it reveals how you can enjoy
Paradise sometime in the future
00:30:05.00\00:30:09.64
and that's so important.
00:30:09.67\00:30:11.57
Mike: We are looking
forward to that, aren't we?
00:30:11.61\00:30:13.38
That's our eternal home...
we're destined for Paradise.
00:30:13.41\00:30:18.05
Rosemary: I like
the way you finish this,
00:30:18.08\00:30:19.65
"Our loving creator
has everything ready
00:30:19.68\00:30:23.49
for the biggest
homecoming of all time.
00:30:23.52\00:30:25.75
He's just waiting for the RSVP
00:30:25.79\00:30:29.86
on your invitation. "
00:30:29.89\00:30:31.83
That's all He's waiting for...
us to say, "Yes, I'm coming. "
00:30:31.86\00:30:36.36
Panel: Yeah... hmmm...
00:30:36.40\00:30:38.17
Rosemary: Don't be like
those who didn't go to the
00:30:38.20\00:30:39.73
wedding feast
because they've all the care
00:30:39.77\00:30:41.20
and married a wife
00:30:41.24\00:30:42.77
and had a big
land to go and check,
00:30:42.80\00:30:44.51
say, "Yes, I'm coming. "
00:30:44.54\00:30:46.04
Mike: Hmmm... we've got
to be decisive about this.
00:30:46.07\00:30:49.71
John: And it's your
choice too by the way...
00:30:49.74\00:30:52.31
every one of us
has a... an opportunity
00:30:52.35\00:30:54.85
to look at the Word
of God... learn about...
00:30:54.88\00:30:57.02
go to the Bible...
see what God has to say
00:30:57.05\00:30:59.15
and in the end of it...
00:30:59.22\00:31:00.62
God never intended us
to be out of Paradise...
00:31:00.66\00:31:02.99
that's what it was
like in the very beginning
00:31:03.02\00:31:04.89
in the Garden of Eden
00:31:04.93\00:31:06.26
and He's
inviting you back there.
00:31:06.29\00:31:08.00
Rosemary: And you
know what the best thing
00:31:08.03\00:31:09.36
about Paradise is?
00:31:09.40\00:31:10.73
God is there...
00:31:10.77\00:31:12.10
and God has reserved
the biggest smile ever
00:31:12.13\00:31:16.60
for the day we get there.
00:31:16.64\00:31:18.04
John: I often... I
often say to people,
00:31:18.07\00:31:20.44
"What's the difference between
Paradise heaven or this earth?"
00:31:20.48\00:31:23.38
and really when you look
at it, it's pretty simple...
00:31:23.41\00:31:26.15
it's the absence of evil.
00:31:26.18\00:31:27.85
There is no evil in Paradise.
00:31:27.88\00:31:29.48
Is there any
goodness and joy and peace
00:31:29.52\00:31:33.19
that we really want
to have on this earth...
00:31:33.22\00:31:35.79
it's going to be there.
00:31:35.82\00:31:37.39
Panel: Hmmm... yeah.
00:31:37.43\00:31:38.76
Sven: And John, your point
before is really important.
00:31:38.79\00:31:41.36
I'm sure that Mike
would back me on this,
00:31:41.40\00:31:45.17
is that these...
these tracts are invitations
00:31:45.20\00:31:49.24
to go deeper into God's Word
00:31:49.27\00:31:50.94
so, it's kind of like a
taste... taste of heaven.
00:31:50.97\00:31:55.24
It's a taste of what the Bible
is telling us about Paradise...
00:31:55.28\00:31:59.71
about why... why the
suffering and pain in this world
00:31:59.75\00:32:04.45
and so, so certainly what
we've made it really clear...
00:32:04.49\00:32:08.39
the Bible text in here...
00:32:08.42\00:32:10.46
but, you know,
people who read it...
00:32:10.49\00:32:12.99
they can go, "Well, I
want to go home and...
00:32:13.03\00:32:14.56
and look it up
on... on Google, you know,
00:32:14.60\00:32:18.40
Bible Gateway or
YouVersion... whatever
00:32:18.43\00:32:22.20
to find out the full picture
of what God is telling us... "
00:32:22.24\00:32:26.14
so that's one of the motives
of the tracts or the goals.
00:32:26.17\00:32:30.05
John: Yes. Mike: Good.
00:32:30.08\00:32:31.41
Rosemary: The next one
is: The Journey of a Lifetime.
00:32:31.45\00:32:34.58
Now, that's the
journey I want to go on.
00:32:34.62\00:32:37.29
Panel: Hmmm... yes.
00:32:37.32\00:32:38.65
Rosemary: I... you know...
it doesn't where on earth you go
00:32:38.69\00:32:40.72
as we upward... if
you're going to go...
00:32:40.76\00:32:43.39
or whether you're
going to go upward...
00:32:43.43\00:32:46.13
but that's the
one I want to be in
00:32:46.16\00:32:47.73
and I really do
like this picture,
00:32:47.76\00:32:49.23
the person is looking up
into that beautiful heaven
00:32:49.26\00:32:53.20
that God has put out
there for us to look at
00:32:53.23\00:32:56.47
and that's where the
journey is going to go...
00:32:56.50\00:32:59.07
it's going to take us
up into that heaven...
00:32:59.14\00:33:02.28
a journey of a
lifetime when Jesus comes back.
00:33:02.31\00:33:05.38
John: You know, we think
we go on a cruise on a boat...
00:33:05.41\00:33:07.82
that's a journey...
00:33:07.85\00:33:09.35
we think we get
on an airplane...
00:33:09.38\00:33:10.72
that's another journey...
00:33:10.75\00:33:12.09
but this one... you're not going
to have a boat or an airplane,
00:33:12.12\00:33:14.92
you are going to ascend to
meet the Lord in the clouds.
00:33:14.96\00:33:17.36
Rosemary: The feet
will leave the ground.
00:33:17.43\00:33:18.76
John: The feet
will leave the ground.
00:33:18.79\00:33:20.13
Mike: Now, the second coming
of Christ again to this earth
00:33:20.16\00:33:23.63
to basically bring to fruition
everything He achieved for us
00:33:23.67\00:33:27.54
on the cross of Calvary.
00:33:27.57\00:33:28.90
That's been the hope of the
Christian church for 2,000 years
00:33:28.94\00:33:32.11
and there are a lot
of reasons to believe
00:33:32.14\00:33:34.94
that we are getting
very close to that event
00:33:34.98\00:33:37.75
so, this becomes very relevant.
00:33:37.78\00:33:39.21
John: Very close to the
journey of a lifetime...
00:33:39.25\00:33:40.92
truly in every sense.
00:33:40.95\00:33:42.48
Rosemary: People
are trying to find ways
00:33:42.52\00:33:43.85
to get off the Planet Earth
00:33:43.89\00:33:45.22
and get in a
rocket ship of some kind
00:33:45.25\00:33:48.79
and go to the Moon
or the Mars or something
00:33:48.82\00:33:50.93
but, hey, I think
we've got a better deal here.
00:33:50.96\00:33:53.03
We're not just
getting off this earth...
00:33:53.06\00:33:55.26
we're going to Paradise.
00:33:55.30\00:33:56.97
Panel: Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm...
00:33:57.00\00:33:58.33
Rosemary: And this
earth will be made new
00:33:58.37\00:34:00.40
and we will live
on a brand-new earth
00:34:00.44\00:34:02.54
and I think that...
00:34:02.60\00:34:04.21
that journey to go to
heaven for a 1,000 years
00:34:04.24\00:34:06.74
is something worth
looking forward to.
00:34:06.78\00:34:08.64
John: Rosemary is
not just saying that
00:34:08.68\00:34:10.45
if you go to the Word of
God and spend some time in it,
00:34:10.48\00:34:13.15
that's what God
is offering to us
00:34:13.18\00:34:15.45
so, it's not just some
fleeting thought that we have,
00:34:15.48\00:34:19.12
or some funny Christian
idea, it's a Bible teaching
00:34:19.15\00:34:22.76
and God wants
you to know about it
00:34:22.79\00:34:24.69
and so, this tract will help you
to understand it more clearly.
00:34:24.73\00:34:28.10
Sven: Hmmm... you
know with all of the...
00:34:28.13\00:34:30.17
the world events being
canceled at the moment...
00:34:30.20\00:34:32.37
the Olympics... Wimbledon...
00:34:32.40\00:34:34.27
this is one event that
will never be cancelled.
00:34:34.30\00:34:36.30
Rosemary: That
will never be cancelled
00:34:36.34\00:34:38.91
and it will be right on time.
00:34:38.94\00:34:41.71
Panel: Yes.
00:34:41.74\00:34:43.18
Rosemary: Yeah, not a moment
late... not a moment earlier.
00:34:43.21\00:34:45.88
God knows no
delay and no haste...
00:34:45.91\00:34:48.68
or no haste or no
delay... however it says it.
00:34:48.72\00:34:51.92
Panel: Hmmm...
00:34:51.95\00:34:53.62
John: I think we talk about God
00:34:53.66\00:34:55.29
and we talk about, you
know, Jesus and all that
00:34:55.32\00:34:58.83
but you know, you
have an opportunity
00:34:58.86\00:35:00.40
to not only talk about them,
you can actually talk to them
00:35:00.43\00:35:04.07
and the next
tract that we have is:
00:35:04.10\00:35:06.10
Experiencing God's
Presence through Prayer
00:35:06.13\00:35:10.21
and prayer really is
talking to someone like...
00:35:10.24\00:35:14.88
talking to God like to a friend.
00:35:14.91\00:35:16.41
Mike: Yeah, to a
Father... in fact.
00:35:16.44\00:35:18.21
John: That's right, and
so, that's the good thing...
00:35:18.25\00:35:20.68
is talking to
someone as a friend
00:35:20.72\00:35:22.65
and so, when you talk
to someone as a friend,
00:35:22.68\00:35:24.99
you open up and you
tell them everything,
00:35:25.02\00:35:27.02
that's what happens...
00:35:27.06\00:35:28.39
husbands and
wives in particular.
00:35:28.42\00:35:30.19
It's a... it's a
real good little tract
00:35:30.23\00:35:33.83
and prayer is very
essential in the Christian walk
00:35:33.86\00:35:37.33
and I think it's more
important as we come closer
00:35:37.37\00:35:40.67
that when we see things
happening around us right now
00:35:40.70\00:35:42.54
like they are...
00:35:42.57\00:35:44.21
that we really get
closer to God and talk with Him
00:35:44.24\00:35:46.91
because He will bring you peace.
00:35:46.94\00:35:48.41
Panel: Yes... hmmm...
00:35:48.44\00:35:49.78
Sven: And the other
thing I found, John, as well
00:35:49.81\00:35:51.78
is that... you know when
you are talking with Atheists
00:35:51.81\00:35:55.38
or skeptics or Muslims or Hindus
00:35:55.42\00:35:59.19
you know, they may say
"No" to a theological discussion
00:35:59.22\00:36:05.99
or a Bible Study
00:36:06.03\00:36:07.60
but they'll never
say "No" to prayer...
00:36:07.63\00:36:09.76
that there's a sense
of... even if you are an Atheist
00:36:09.83\00:36:13.00
you'll still, "Well,
I'll give prayer a go"
00:36:13.03\00:36:15.90
and so, this is an
amazing opportunity
00:36:15.94\00:36:18.14
just to introduce secular people
00:36:18.17\00:36:21.44
to a God who
really cares about them
00:36:21.48\00:36:23.91
and... and invite
them to give a go to...
00:36:23.95\00:36:26.28
to just experience what
God can do in their lives.
00:36:26.31\00:36:28.45
Rosemary: And those who
have had a father in this life
00:36:28.48\00:36:32.99
that they'd rather forget
00:36:33.02\00:36:34.96
who have a hard time
relating to a father,
00:36:34.99\00:36:40.03
they've either
never known their father
00:36:40.06\00:36:42.10
or their father may
have been very abusive
00:36:42.13\00:36:43.90
in one way or another
00:36:43.93\00:36:45.27
they can be...
through prayer, as you said,
00:36:45.30\00:36:52.04
they can talk to a father
but it's a heavenly Father
00:36:52.07\00:36:55.61
a loving Father...
00:36:55.64\00:36:58.15
a Father who wants them
to be with Him forever...
00:36:58.18\00:37:01.22
a Father who invites us to
have a relationship with Him
00:37:01.25\00:37:03.82
good... happy...
loving relationship.
00:37:03.85\00:37:06.35
Mike: The kind of Father
that they always wanted...
00:37:06.39\00:37:10.19
Panel: Hmmm...
hmmm... Mike: Yeah.
00:37:10.23\00:37:12.53
Rosemary: So, that's
what prayer is about.
00:37:12.59\00:37:13.93
Mike: Yeah.
00:37:13.96\00:37:15.30
Sven: And also, I think
another thing, Rosemary, as well
00:37:15.33\00:37:16.87
is that as we head
towards the end of time...
00:37:16.90\00:37:19.63
as I read Great Controversy
00:37:19.67\00:37:22.54
one of the really
important things is
00:37:22.57\00:37:25.47
that we're connecting
with God through prayer.
00:37:25.51\00:37:28.24
I mean for... whether
you're a secular person
00:37:28.31\00:37:31.01
or a person of faith,
00:37:31.05\00:37:32.45
you can see things
happening in the world
00:37:32.48\00:37:34.58
and we can
wonder... "Are we prepared?
00:37:34.62\00:37:36.85
Are we ready for
what's going on?"
00:37:36.89\00:37:39.02
In fact, I was talking with
a... a young person this morning
00:37:39.05\00:37:44.39
lost... lost his job...
00:37:44.43\00:37:46.59
and... and he... what do I do?
00:37:46.63\00:37:49.73
And I think,
prayer is the... the key
00:37:50.03\00:37:52.17
to... to know that
God is going to protect us
00:37:52.20\00:37:54.90
and so, people will be
really blessed by this tract.
00:37:54.94\00:37:59.04
John: Yes.
00:37:59.07\00:38:00.41
Mike: I think it's worth
mentioning some of the issues
00:38:00.44\00:38:01.78
that are dealt
with in this tract,
00:38:01.81\00:38:03.14
the power of... on how
to claim God's promises,
00:38:03.18\00:38:06.21
the power of
praying with other people,
00:38:06.25\00:38:09.52
not just on your own...
00:38:09.55\00:38:11.45
the power of
praying in Jesus' name.
00:38:11.49\00:38:13.19
That's... you know that's a very
important and powerful thing
00:38:13.22\00:38:16.83
How to understand
God's will in prayer...
00:38:16.86\00:38:19.43
praying for healing and so on...
00:38:19.46\00:38:21.76
so there's a lot of
very important areas
00:38:21.80\00:38:24.17
of the spiritual life.
00:38:24.23\00:38:25.67
Rosemary: Praying
for rescue and help...
00:38:25.70\00:38:27.27
Praying for the Holy Spirit...
00:38:27.30\00:38:28.74
there are a number
of different things
00:38:28.80\00:38:32.24
but then there's a good...
00:38:32.27\00:38:33.61
very important one on
the back... Giving Thanks...
00:38:33.64\00:38:36.24
Panel: Hmmm...
00:38:36.28\00:38:37.91
Rosemary: Must always
remember to give thanks.
00:38:37.95\00:38:39.28
John: God wants us to
communicate with Him...
00:38:39.31\00:38:41.48
that's been His plan
from the very beginning
00:38:41.52\00:38:43.69
but because of the problems that
we've experienced in our lives,
00:38:43.72\00:38:47.66
sometimes we don't
really know God to turn to Him,
00:38:47.69\00:38:50.43
I encourage you
to turn to Him...
00:38:50.46\00:38:53.19
in these times in
particular... turn to Him
00:38:53.23\00:38:55.50
and ask Him for help...
00:38:55.53\00:38:56.87
ask Him for direction and
He will answer your prayers.
00:38:56.90\00:39:01.04
We are promised
that in God's Word.
00:39:01.10\00:39:03.27
Panel: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:39:03.30\00:39:05.11
Rosemary: Now, the most
important day of the week...
00:39:05.17\00:39:06.81
the Sabbath...
00:39:06.84\00:39:08.74
this one is:
Sabbath Peace in Our Time.
00:39:08.78\00:39:11.61
Now, that to me is a
very peaceful picture.
00:39:11.65\00:39:14.32
Just... what a beautiful
Sabbath afternoon that would be
00:39:14.35\00:39:18.79
or some people... Sabbath
morning before going to church
00:39:18.85\00:39:23.22
just sitting and
looking at something like that
00:39:23.29\00:39:24.63
would just bring peace
00:39:24.66\00:39:26.06
and the Sabbath
is a day of peace...
00:39:26.09\00:39:28.56
it's a... has the
special blessing all of its own.
00:39:28.60\00:39:31.50
I love the
Sabbath... it's my favorite day
00:39:31.53\00:39:35.00
and I'm grateful it
comes every seven days
00:39:35.04\00:39:38.51
so, I can keep on enjoying it
00:39:38.54\00:39:40.68
and not just have it
once and that's the end of it
00:39:40.71\00:39:43.65
but every seven
days... I can enjoy the Sabbath
00:39:43.71\00:39:46.61
and it's a very special time
00:39:46.72\00:39:48.78
and this tract tells
people about the Sabbath
00:39:48.82\00:39:52.65
and you've got a
number of different headings
00:39:52.69\00:39:56.56
in this one too as a
symbol of our salvation...
00:39:56.59\00:40:01.03
how we're going to
spend Sabbath in eternity
00:40:01.06\00:40:05.47
and what day is the Sabbath...
00:40:05.50\00:40:07.04
you know, there's...
00:40:07.07\00:40:09.17
many different topics
that you've got here...
00:40:09.20\00:40:11.44
one of the
benefits of the Sabbath
00:40:11.47\00:40:13.64
and you've got a list
there of those things.
00:40:13.68\00:40:15.38
Has it been changed...
00:40:15.41\00:40:17.08
the weekly cycle...
has it been changed?
00:40:17.11\00:40:20.25
So you answer those sorts
of questions in this tract.
00:40:20.28\00:40:22.75
Mike: Yes.
Rosemary: It's very good.
00:40:22.78\00:40:24.75
Mike: Primarily, of course, the
Sabbath is to give us a vehicle,
00:40:24.82\00:40:28.12
a time to seek
the presence of God
00:40:28.16\00:40:31.26
our Father in
heaven and to know Him.
00:40:31.29\00:40:34.30
Rosemary: And... to
do it with other people.
00:40:34.33\00:40:36.80
Mike: Yes, that
too... it gives us time...
00:40:36.83\00:40:39.23
well, it gives us time for
fellowshipping with friends
00:40:39.27\00:40:42.14
and family... and it's
an absolutely beautiful day.
00:40:42.17\00:40:45.01
No wonder God
gave it at the creation
00:40:45.04\00:40:47.21
because if ever we
needed it, it is now.
00:40:47.24\00:40:49.34
Rosemary: Well, it was Adam and
Eve's first full day of life.
00:40:49.38\00:40:51.28
Mike: It was...
00:40:51.31\00:40:52.65
Rosemary: They were
created on the sixth day...
00:40:52.68\00:40:54.02
during the sixth day...
00:40:54.05\00:40:55.38
the seventh day was
their first full day...
00:40:55.42\00:40:57.19
so what a
beautiful first full day!
00:40:57.22\00:40:59.55
Spent the day in a
special way with God.
00:40:59.59\00:41:01.52
John: I like the
way the Bible said,
00:41:01.56\00:41:03.46
"The Sabbath was made for man
00:41:03.49\00:41:04.83
and not man for the Sabbath. "
00:41:04.86\00:41:06.53
God already saw ahead of time
00:41:06.59\00:41:08.23
that He wanted to
spend time with us.
00:41:08.26\00:41:10.77
It's also the
memorial of God's creation,
00:41:10.80\00:41:13.20
you know, all those
aspects are revealed in here
00:41:13.23\00:41:16.44
and I'm sure
you'll be very blessed
00:41:16.47\00:41:18.81
and sometimes
I've heard people say,
00:41:18.84\00:41:21.11
"Oh what does it matter if
you worship on Sabbath or Friday
00:41:21.14\00:41:24.41
or whatever day of the week?"
00:41:24.45\00:41:26.08
But God set is aside and He
wants... He wants to bless us
00:41:26.11\00:41:29.85
on that particular day
00:41:29.88\00:41:31.82
and if you haven't
experienced the blessing
00:41:31.85\00:41:34.39
of keeping God's
day holy on the Sabbath,
00:41:34.42\00:41:36.86
then I encourage you to consider
looking at that seriously
00:41:36.89\00:41:40.20
and this tract
will help you understand
00:41:40.23\00:41:41.76
a little bit more about it.
00:41:41.80\00:41:43.13
Panel: Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm...
00:41:43.16\00:41:44.50
Sven: One other thing...
00:41:44.53\00:41:45.87
coming back to what
you were saying, Rosemary,
00:41:45.90\00:41:47.24
is that... as I have
studied the fourth Commandment
00:41:47.27\00:41:50.44
one of the things
I've seen is that the...
00:41:50.51\00:41:53.01
the Sabbath
Commandment is all about
00:41:53.04\00:41:55.28
who you need to share
the Sabbath blessing with.
00:41:55.31\00:41:57.91
Rosemary: Hmmm...
00:41:57.95\00:41:59.28
Sven: And I think
this is really important...
00:41:59.31\00:42:00.98
it's not just about me
as you were saying, Mike,
00:42:01.02\00:42:02.78
it's about who we
can share Sabbath rest
00:42:02.85\00:42:06.22
and so, this tract can
actually be part of fulfilling
00:42:06.25\00:42:10.33
the... the Sabbath command,
00:42:10.36\00:42:11.89
they say, "Hey, I want to invite
you to come and join me and us
00:42:11.93\00:42:16.03
with Sabbath rest as well
00:42:16.06\00:42:18.00
and the other
really fascinating thing
00:42:18.03\00:42:19.93
that I've seen, John, as well
00:42:19.97\00:42:21.64
is that there are indeed whole
churches... whole congregations
00:42:21.67\00:42:26.34
which were
previously worshipping on Sunday
00:42:26.37\00:42:30.11
and suddenly their
Pastor hears about the Sabbath
00:42:30.15\00:42:34.82
and he shares it
with the congregation...
00:42:34.85\00:42:37.25
the whole church
decides to keep the Sabbath,
00:42:37.29\00:42:39.62
it's really amazing
00:42:39.65\00:42:40.99
and this is a
phenomenon which is happening
00:42:41.02\00:42:42.62
right around the world
00:42:42.66\00:42:44.06
and so, we look forward
to seeing many people...
00:42:44.09\00:42:47.06
many more people experiencing
the blessing of Sabbath.
00:42:47.10\00:42:49.86
Rosemary: That's right
because it is a blessing
00:42:49.93\00:42:52.43
when you do it God's
way, it's always a blessing.
00:42:52.47\00:42:54.90
When I was a Sunday-Keeper,
00:42:54.97\00:42:56.77
I would do some
stuff in the morning,
00:42:56.81\00:42:58.91
gardening or something...
00:42:58.94\00:43:00.28
go and get changed into my
church clothes... go to church,
00:43:00.31\00:43:02.71
spend my time there...
00:43:02.74\00:43:04.08
come home and get
back into my garden clothes
00:43:04.15\00:43:06.58
and keep on doing the gardening.
00:43:06.61\00:43:08.18
Sven: Go shopping...
00:43:08.22\00:43:09.82
Rosemary:
Yeah... go to the market
00:43:09.85\00:43:11.19
but now-a-days on Sabbath
we will go and visit people
00:43:11.22\00:43:14.99
or we would... we try to
have people over for lunch,
00:43:15.02\00:43:18.99
of course, we're not
doing that at the moment
00:43:19.03\00:43:20.40
but we would try
to be... you know,
00:43:20.43\00:43:22.20
show hospitality in a way that
we don't get to during the week
00:43:22.23\00:43:24.70
and spend time with people.
00:43:24.73\00:43:26.23
Sven: Or give out tracts.
00:43:26.27\00:43:27.70
Mike: It's a time... it's
a lovely time to fellowship
00:43:27.74\00:43:30.01
on the Sabbath but...
00:43:30.04\00:43:32.61
but ultimately, we
need to take the opportunity
00:43:32.64\00:43:35.41
that God gives us... to
quietly go before Him in prayer
00:43:35.44\00:43:39.11
and in... and in just taking
the Scripture in our hands
00:43:39.15\00:43:42.82
and reading it quietly
and talking to the Lord
00:43:42.85\00:43:46.52
about what
we're reading as we go
00:43:46.55\00:43:48.42
and there's... that is
the chief goal of the Sabbath,
00:43:48.46\00:43:54.06
it's time with God
00:43:54.10\00:43:55.43
but it has all
these other areas as well.
00:43:55.46\00:43:57.40
Rosemary: And time to
show God to other people.
00:43:57.43\00:43:59.17
John: And in those
areas, it's not just yourself,
00:43:59.20\00:44:01.27
it's also your family
00:44:01.30\00:44:02.77
because you express by
your actions to your children
00:44:02.80\00:44:06.71
and to your grandchildren
00:44:06.74\00:44:08.08
that you really
believe and follow a God
00:44:08.11\00:44:11.25
and you want them to
00:44:11.28\00:44:12.78
so, it's important
that we understand...
00:44:12.81\00:44:14.38
Sabbath is not just
only worshipping with God,
00:44:14.42\00:44:17.12
it's worshipping
with God with your family
00:44:17.19\00:44:19.82
and children learn from
principles that we expound
00:44:19.85\00:44:24.69
not just what we
say but what we do also.
00:44:24.76\00:44:27.16
Mike: And Sabbath is a guarantee
that we worship a personal God
00:44:27.20\00:44:31.40
who's actually interested
in us and having time with us.
00:44:31.43\00:44:35.70
Rosemary: Yeah, because
He's invited us to do it.
00:44:35.74\00:44:38.17
The... this
eighth tract has, for me,
00:44:38.24\00:44:42.81
the most amazing
picture on the cover.
00:44:42.84\00:44:47.35
I like all the
pictures but this one is just...
00:44:47.38\00:44:49.98
I don't know...
there's just something special.
00:44:50.02\00:44:52.55
Is that: Evolved or Designed?
00:44:52.62\00:44:55.16
The first thing I see is
the colorful face on that
00:44:55.19\00:44:58.33
and then, I realize it's
actually the wings of a moth.
00:44:58.36\00:45:01.46
Panel: Hmmm...
00:45:01.50\00:45:02.83
Rosemary: And every time I
first see that colorful piece,
00:45:02.86\00:45:06.60
that's what stands out...
is it a horse or is it a...
00:45:06.63\00:45:10.84
it is the wings of a moth,
is that evolved or designed?
00:45:10.87\00:45:15.04
Panel: Hmmm...
00:45:15.08\00:45:16.41
Rosemary: It has to
be designed. Panel: Yes.
00:45:16.44\00:45:18.11
Rosemary: And... and in here,
Sven, you do a really good job
00:45:18.15\00:45:22.88
of setting out different points
that people can go through
00:45:22.92\00:45:27.66
to see why we
could not have evolved
00:45:27.69\00:45:32.03
and, you know, one of the
things I hadn't really thought
00:45:32.09\00:45:34.66
too much about was
human consciousness...
00:45:34.70\00:45:38.03
where did that come from?
00:45:38.07\00:45:39.70
And, you know,
there's a section on that
00:45:39.73\00:45:42.24
which really is
very thought provoking.
00:45:42.27\00:45:44.77
Mike: It was very good.
00:45:44.81\00:45:46.14
Rosemary: Very, very good.
00:45:46.17\00:45:47.51
Sven: Yeah,
Rosemary, in writing this tract
00:45:47.54\00:45:50.38
I really wanted to build
it up from the foundation
00:45:50.41\00:45:53.21
and we've been doing
this all the way through
00:45:53.25\00:45:55.42
but really to... to start...
Where is the origin of life?
00:45:55.45\00:45:59.59
Why does anything exist at all?
00:45:59.65\00:46:01.99
But then, step by step
to build it up from DNA
00:46:02.02\00:46:06.46
and proteins through to... to...
it would just be complex systems
00:46:06.49\00:46:11.67
like the blood-clotting system.
00:46:11.70\00:46:13.37
Rosemary: And that is an amazing
thing that you've written there,
00:46:13.40\00:46:15.64
about that, I mean...
00:46:15.67\00:46:17.01
that is just profound
when you really think about it.
00:46:17.04\00:46:20.28
What came first? It's
like the chicken or the egg
00:46:20.31\00:46:23.61
what came first in
the blood-clotting system?
00:46:23.65\00:46:26.08
Sven: Yeah, and
that's the whole thing
00:46:26.11\00:46:27.78
with
logistically-complex systems...
00:46:27.82\00:46:29.42
because you just can't
have part of a system...
00:46:29.45\00:46:31.49
you can't... it's that classic
mouse-trap idea, you know,
00:46:31.52\00:46:34.29
you can't just have a
spring or... or the board...
00:46:34.32\00:46:36.89
it just doesn't work...
00:46:36.93\00:46:38.26
and so, the concept with
the blood-clotting system
00:46:38.29\00:46:41.16
is that... it all works together
00:46:41.20\00:46:43.13
and... and for...
for researchers who know
00:46:43.16\00:46:45.90
who've studied this... probably
a better way of putting it,
00:46:46.13\00:46:49.50
studied how the
blood-clotting system works.
00:46:49.54\00:46:52.07
They recognize that they
have no idea how it originated
00:46:52.11\00:46:59.38
in terms of... from
an evolutionary sense
00:46:59.41\00:47:01.72
but the Bible tells us
who actually created...
00:47:01.75\00:47:04.62
but you're absolutely right
00:47:04.65\00:47:06.05
going back to the
human consciousness.
00:47:06.09\00:47:08.79
here in
Australia, David Chambers...
00:47:08.82\00:47:11.46
Chambers at
Australian National University
00:47:11.49\00:47:14.83
down in Canberra...
the top research institute
00:47:14.86\00:47:18.10
has a... the world's leading
center in human consciousness
00:47:18.13\00:47:22.84
but he's described it as...
as the hard problem in Science,
00:47:22.87\00:47:27.54
you know, how are
we... how are we conscious?
00:47:27.58\00:47:30.88
Are we... are we just
random groups of atoms
00:47:30.95\00:47:34.22
that... that process information
00:47:34.25\00:47:37.09
or do we really
know that we are here?
00:47:37.15\00:47:39.19
And what it
does is it says that,
00:47:39.22\00:47:41.46
you know, if we are conscious
00:47:41.52\00:47:43.69
and we are aware
of what's happening
00:47:43.73\00:47:47.36
and we can create...
we can make decisions...
00:47:47.40\00:47:50.97
then that points us
to a higher consciousness
00:47:51.00\00:47:54.50
which is God Himself...
00:47:54.54\00:47:55.87
points us to design...
00:47:55.90\00:47:57.91
Panel: Very good.
00:47:57.97\00:47:59.34
This is a really good
tract for people that you know
00:47:59.37\00:48:03.58
who don't believe in
creation... in design
00:48:03.61\00:48:09.55
but it's also for those
who are asking questions...
00:48:09.58\00:48:14.42
our young people... an
eight-year old child...
00:48:14.46\00:48:16.79
they need these things
00:48:16.83\00:48:19.79
so that they can be sure of
why they believe in the Bible
00:48:19.83\00:48:23.10
let alone those who
don't believe in the Bible
00:48:23.13\00:48:25.73
they need it too.
00:48:25.77\00:48:27.10
Sven: Yes, and
we also Rosemary...
00:48:27.14\00:48:28.47
we also touch on the
concept of Theistic Evolution
00:48:28.50\00:48:31.84
where... we say, "Well,
did God use evolution...
00:48:31.87\00:48:35.21
the billions and
millions of years of life
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evolving over time?"
00:48:39.31\00:48:40.65
And we address that as well
00:48:40.68\00:48:42.02
because it's very
important... the Bible says,
00:48:42.05\00:48:43.39
"In six days, God created
the heavens and the earth
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and all that is in them. "
00:48:46.65\00:48:47.99
And so, we... we
look at that as well...
00:48:48.02\00:48:50.39
we don't want to leave any
stone unturned... as they say.
00:48:50.43\00:48:52.59
Rosemary: And said,
"The evening and the morning
00:48:52.63\00:48:54.66
was a day... "
00:48:54.73\00:48:56.06
it wasn't millions of
years or thousands of years...
00:48:56.10\00:48:59.63
it was an evening and a morning.
00:48:59.70\00:49:01.17
Sven: Yes.
00:49:01.20\00:49:02.74
John: I like the next one that
you were also involved in, Sven,
00:49:02.77\00:49:06.07
and it's called: The
Fingerprints of God's Messiah
00:49:06.11\00:49:08.98
you know, when I
think of a fingerprint,
00:49:09.01\00:49:10.35
I think of a crime scene,
00:49:10.38\00:49:11.71
you know, they go
around and find...
00:49:11.75\00:49:13.08
what are you trying to do?
00:49:13.11\00:49:14.45
You're trying to find
out who... who did it?
00:49:14.48\00:49:17.05
And so, the Bible
has fingerprints of God
00:49:17.09\00:49:19.49
right through it...
00:49:19.52\00:49:20.86
Sven: Yes.
00:49:20.89\00:49:22.22
John: And you can go
there in the Word of God
00:49:22.26\00:49:23.59
and you can check it out...
00:49:23.63\00:49:24.96
I mean, and the Old
Testament points very clearly
00:49:24.99\00:49:27.36
to Jesus Christ... the Messiah.
00:49:27.40\00:49:29.73
Sven: Hmmm...
00:49:29.76\00:49:31.10
John: So, you had a great
time writing this, I know.
00:49:31.13\00:49:32.80
Sven: Absolutely.
00:49:32.83\00:49:34.17
Rosemary: How
did... how did you work out
00:49:34.20\00:49:35.57
which of the
prophecies of Jesus' coming
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that you were going to use
because there were so many,
00:49:37.44\00:49:39.57
you've used ten
there as a... as a teaser.
00:49:39.61\00:49:42.98
Sven: Yeah look... look
Rosemary that's a really...
00:49:43.01\00:49:45.81
it was a hard
choice... a hard choice
00:49:45.85\00:49:48.95
because there's literally
hundreds of prophecies.
00:49:48.98\00:49:51.69
You know the angel said to
John in the book of Revelation,
00:49:51.72\00:49:55.26
he said to John, "For
the spirit of prophecy
00:49:55.29\00:49:59.66
is the testimony of Jesus... "
00:49:59.69\00:50:01.03
and, look, that's a very
deep topic in and of itself,
00:50:01.06\00:50:03.70
I mean, Mike and I could
have a Bible Study right here,
00:50:03.73\00:50:06.40
but the reality is
that... that what it added...
00:50:06.43\00:50:09.80
just a simple
level, what it's saying is
00:50:09.84\00:50:11.94
the whole book...
00:50:11.97\00:50:13.64
the whole Bible is all
telling us the story of Jesus,
00:50:13.68\00:50:16.98
just from a very
simple... just quick one-liner
00:50:17.01\00:50:21.88
and.. and so really what...
what I did is, I thought,
00:50:21.92\00:50:25.12
well, I'll go
through the story of Jesus...
00:50:25.15\00:50:26.72
you know, His ancestry...
His... how He was conceived...
00:50:26.76\00:50:30.63
his birthplace...
where he worked...
00:50:30.66\00:50:33.70
where He did his ministry...
00:50:33.73\00:50:35.06
what happened at the
end of His life as well,
00:50:35.10\00:50:38.00
and... and just list them
all out... and the fact is...
00:50:38.03\00:50:40.84
when you put all of
these fingerprints down...
00:50:40.87\00:50:43.87
if you go through
the Old Testament...
00:50:43.91\00:50:46.37
what you find is that
they all point to Jesus...
00:50:46.41\00:50:49.81
they all point to Jesus.
00:50:49.84\00:50:51.35
Rosemary: They do
and... and if He...
00:50:51.38\00:50:53.92
for one person to fulfill so
many prophecies so perfectly...
00:50:53.95\00:50:58.79
I heard the other
day again the figure
00:50:58.82\00:51:00.69
and I can't
remember what it was...
00:51:00.76\00:51:02.62
even though I wrote it down
00:51:02.66\00:51:03.99
but it was something like a
10 to a 127th... the power of...
00:51:04.03\00:51:08.03
whatever... it's... it's
so many zeroes after the ten
00:51:08.06\00:51:12.47
that you couldn't
even write them all
00:51:12.50\00:51:15.14
for one person
to fulfill them all
00:51:15.17\00:51:17.81
and to fulfill
them so perfectly.
00:51:17.84\00:51:20.44
Well, it's interesting that...
00:51:20.48\00:51:22.34
that a
mathematician, Peter Stoner,
00:51:22.38\00:51:24.48
has made the calculation,
00:51:24.51\00:51:26.18
he said if... if we
covered all of New South Wales
00:51:26.21\00:51:29.05
with silver coins and... to...
to the depth of half a meter,
00:51:29.08\00:51:33.66
and then
blindfolded one of us...
00:51:33.69\00:51:36.19
we could pick who that might be
00:51:36.22\00:51:37.56
and then give you
however long you want
00:51:37.63\00:51:39.63
but then you have one
chance to pick up that one coin,
00:51:39.66\00:51:42.13
that's the same
prophecy as eight...
00:51:42.16\00:51:44.10
that's the same probability
00:51:44.13\00:51:45.93
that eight
prophecies were fulfilled...
00:51:45.97\00:51:47.30
it's incredible... incredible.
00:51:47.34\00:51:49.24
John: Yeah, it's amazing!
You know we started out...
00:51:49.27\00:51:51.77
Rosemary: What I
want to do right now
00:51:51.81\00:51:53.78
is go to an address roll
before we look at Number 10.
00:51:53.81\00:51:57.15
So, we're going to
the address roll now
00:51:57.18\00:52:00.18
and I'm... I want
to give you this detail
00:52:00.22\00:52:03.18
and ask you to write it down
00:52:03.22\00:52:04.55
because we're going
to be telling you about
00:52:04.59\00:52:05.99
how you can get these after...
00:52:06.02\00:52:08.99
in the final few
minutes of this Program
00:52:09.02\00:52:12.03
so, here is your address roll
00:52:12.09\00:52:13.43
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00:52:13.46\00:52:15.16
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00:52:15.26\00:52:18.30
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00:52:18.33\00:52:19.67
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00:53:18.43\00:53:20.13
Pause...
00:53:20.16\00:53:21.86
I hope you got all those details
00:53:21.90\00:53:23.60
because it's very important...
00:53:23.63\00:53:25.23
we would like you to contact
us about these Insight Tracts
00:53:25.27\00:53:29.00
and we're speaking
with Pastor Mark Browning
00:53:29.04\00:53:32.34
and Dr. Sven Ostring
00:53:32.37\00:53:34.08
and we just want to tell
you that these are available now
00:53:34.11\00:53:38.98
and we're going to
talk about the last one
00:53:39.01\00:53:40.92
just in the brief
moments we have left.
00:53:40.95\00:53:42.75
To start out, we talked
about the Mark of the Beast
00:53:42.78\00:53:45.39
and one of the things
that I really wanted to...
00:53:45.42\00:53:47.96
people to understand...
00:53:48.02\00:53:49.36
well, we're talking
about The Mark of the Beast...
00:53:49.39\00:53:52.19
it's good to
know who is the Beast
00:53:52.23\00:53:54.76
and Sven, you took that on
00:53:54.80\00:53:56.97
because that was
quite a challenge isn't it?
00:53:57.00\00:53:58.70
Sven: Yes, it was a...
it was a good challenge.
00:53:58.73\00:54:01.37
and... I... I
enjoyed writing this
00:54:01.40\00:54:05.01
based on my experience with
the other two tracts as well
00:54:05.04\00:54:09.14
but the good thing is,
John, is when we write something
00:54:09.21\00:54:13.28
on something as big
and complex as important
00:54:13.31\00:54:17.59
as: Who is the
Mark of the Beast?"
00:54:17.62\00:54:18.95
We need to do it
together as a team
00:54:19.02\00:54:20.36
and that's what we did...
00:54:20.39\00:54:21.82
Mike came in to.. to the office
00:54:21.86\00:54:23.83
and we worked
together on this...
00:54:23.86\00:54:26.16
it was very, very...
00:54:26.19\00:54:27.60
Rosemary: And Dr. Allan Lindsay.
00:54:27.63\00:54:28.96
Sven: Yes... yes...
00:54:29.00\00:54:30.33
and so, I'm... I
feel that through teamwork
00:54:30.37\00:54:32.97
we've really
achieved something very...
00:54:33.00\00:54:35.60
very good in this tract.
00:54:35.64\00:54:38.21
Mike: We were very
conscious that he had...
00:54:38.24\00:54:39.94
to get this right because
it's a very sensitive subject
00:54:39.97\00:54:43.11
and area to be dealing with
00:54:43.14\00:54:44.48
and I think it's
come out very well...
00:54:44.51\00:54:45.85
I think it's God's will
that this should be out.
00:54:45.88\00:54:47.92
Rosemary: It had to be
dealt with sensitively.
00:54:47.95\00:54:49.98
John: I know... I know...
00:54:50.05\00:54:51.39
I also know... Pastor
Mike wants to share with you
00:54:51.42\00:54:54.56
how you can use these tracts
00:54:54.59\00:54:55.99
and we want to
encourage you to use them
00:54:56.02\00:54:58.09
in the way we're
going to describe
00:54:58.13\00:55:00.06
and they're going
to be available here.
00:55:00.10\00:55:02.16
I'm going to
mention before he does talk
00:55:02.20\00:55:04.20
that we've decided
to... to make these available
00:55:04.23\00:55:07.44
through two means...
00:55:07.47\00:55:08.80
one... you can donate
00:55:08.84\00:55:10.17
so that other people
who can't get ahold of these
00:55:10.21\00:55:12.57
at such a cheap rate...
00:55:12.61\00:55:15.64
to you to be
involved in getting them out
00:55:15.68\00:55:18.21
into different
parts of the world
00:55:18.25\00:55:19.78
like, for us in
the South Pacific...
00:55:19.81\00:55:21.32
to go out in the Islands
00:55:21.35\00:55:22.68
and we would like you to
consider donating for them.
00:55:22.72\00:55:27.06
We're only
charging $7 per 100...
00:55:27.09\00:55:30.06
that's 7 cents
for each little tract.
00:55:30.09\00:55:32.99
The idea of that is... we
just want to be able to continue
00:55:33.03\00:55:36.10
to duplicate them
00:55:36.13\00:55:37.47
and get them out
like the leaves of autumn
00:55:37.50\00:55:38.83
but Mike, tell us how you
see how we could use them.
00:55:38.87\00:55:41.67
Mike: Okay, look,
that's what we do want to see.
00:55:41.70\00:55:44.54
Folks, we've got
to get these out there
00:55:44.57\00:55:46.88
and the more that we do that...
00:55:46.91\00:55:48.31
the more impact it's
going to make on the community.
00:55:48.34\00:55:51.21
These can be letter
boxed, I would like to suggest
00:55:51.25\00:55:54.02
that the ones on the Beast
and the Mark of the Beast...
00:55:54.05\00:55:57.22
that we be...
00:55:57.25\00:55:58.69
that we be sensitive
about where we put these
00:55:58.72\00:56:01.62
and they'd be more
suitable to give to people
00:56:01.66\00:56:04.53
whom you know personally
00:56:04.56\00:56:05.89
and perhaps you've talked to
about spiritual things before
00:56:05.93\00:56:07.93
and about the Bible
00:56:07.96\00:56:09.50
but to letter box tracts
on the 2nd Coming of Christ...
00:56:09.53\00:56:13.00
What happens when you die...
00:56:13.03\00:56:14.37
Prayer...
00:56:14.40\00:56:15.74
and: Why do bad things happen?
00:56:15.77\00:56:18.17
In fact, that would be
a good one to start with
00:56:18.21\00:56:20.28
if you're letter boxing.
00:56:20.31\00:56:21.71
Rosemary: And even
Evolved or Designed...
00:56:21.74\00:56:23.61
Mike: Yes,
that's a great concern.
00:56:23.65\00:56:26.41
There are
plenty... amongst these ten
00:56:26.45\00:56:29.15
there are any number of those
that you could regularly put out
00:56:29.18\00:56:34.16
and put in letter boxes...
00:56:34.19\00:56:35.52
preferably give them to
the people that you know
00:56:35.56\00:56:38.33
because they're going to
be more inclined to read them
00:56:38.36\00:56:41.63
if you do that.
00:56:41.66\00:56:43.00
John: So you want to see
them go in letter boxes...
00:56:43.03\00:56:44.97
Mike: I want them out
there like the leaves of autumn
00:56:45.00\00:56:47.14
that's right... yeah...
00:56:47.17\00:56:48.50
because... and particularly
I mean, in the current climate
00:56:48.54\00:56:52.07
with the health crisis
that we have in the entire world
00:56:52.14\00:56:55.84
at the moment,
00:56:55.88\00:56:57.21
the one on: Why
bad things happen?
00:56:57.25\00:56:58.98
surely has got to be
very relevant to people
00:56:59.01\00:57:00.62
and I think you'll
find they'll be interested
00:57:00.65\00:57:02.45
if you put that in
the letter box first.
00:57:02.48\00:57:04.22
Rosemary: That's right,
so what we want you to do
00:57:04.25\00:57:07.12
is, if you go on our website,
we're going to have a place
00:57:07.16\00:57:10.49
where you can donate
to have these available
00:57:10.53\00:57:13.40
to other people who... you know,
in the Islands or wherever,
00:57:13.43\00:57:16.50
and then also you can
contact us... go on our store
00:57:16.56\00:57:21.44
or phone in here
at 3ABN Australia
00:57:21.47\00:57:24.94
and contact us for buying these
00:57:24.97\00:57:28.38
and we will have
them in different amounts
00:57:28.41\00:57:30.68
so that you can do that.
00:57:30.71\00:57:32.61
Seven cents a tract...
00:57:32.65\00:57:34.22
God has blessed...
00:57:34.28\00:57:35.78
thank you Mike and
Sven for all you have done
00:57:35.82\00:57:38.52
and for being here today
00:57:38.55\00:57:40.06
and we look forward to
seeing you again next time
00:57:40.12\00:57:42.72
and may God richly bless you.
00:57:42.76\00:57:45.03