This is 3ABN now
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with John and
Rosemary Malkiewycz.
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Music...
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John: Hello and
welcome to 3ABN now.
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I'm so glad you
have taken the time
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to listen to these programs.
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I know a lot of
people are listening on VAST
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right across
Australia in remote areas...
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you know... these...
these are unprecedented times
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and as you find this channel,
tell other people about it
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because we want you to know
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about a subject
that's so important
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and it's the Word of God.
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With us today on the
Program is Peter Watts...
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Pastor Peter Watts...
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he's the Senior Pastor
for Avondale Memorial Church
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and I know that you're going to
be really, really blessed today
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because we are
digging into the Word of God
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showing you the relevance...
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it's relevant all
throughout history
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but today in particular as
the world is in this phenomenon
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that's never
been before, you know,
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Peter's going to
take us through the Bible
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to help us understand
that God has the answers...
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He's already shown to us exactly
what is going to take place
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and you know, Rosemary,
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I'm looking
forward to the Program.
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Rosemary: I am too
because we get to read
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quite a few Bible verses
and I love reading the Bible.
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John: So do I.
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Rosemary: Wonderful book...
as we were discussing before
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the Bible is just so incredible.
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Peter: It's such a valuable
book to us Adventists...
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it's great to be here by the way
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and it's just an
amazing book to me...
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and we'll talk more
about that as we go on.
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Rosemary: Yes,
especially John was saying...
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people who were not brought
up reading it... you and him...
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you were
brought up non-believers
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but I was brought
up in a Christian home
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and I was used to
having a Bible around
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but even I find it... even
though I'm used to the Bible,
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I find it exciting,
so that's wonderful.
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John: Peter has
come into the message
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reading the Word of God like me
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by discovering
that the Bible is a book
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that is well
worth investigating.
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Now, we had an interview
with you before of your story...
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you were a total non-believer.
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You didn't even know
about the Bible, is that right?
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Peter: Yes, so I grew up in the
UK in a secular environment...
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went to State School
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and God and the Bible really
just weren't part of my life...
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it wasn't part of the
group of friends that I was in
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and so, I was... I
believe we got here
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by molecules-to-man evolution,
that was taught at State School,
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I left school when I was
16... became a car mechanic
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and I was a...
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I would have called
myself an Atheist back then,
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it would have been my
late teens... early 20s...
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I called myself an
Atheist until my mid-20s
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when I had an encounter with God
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that changed my
life forever, really
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and then I started to
pay a little bit of attention
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to a Christian
friend that I did have...
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a friend who had...
was raised a Christian
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and he knew some
things about the Bible
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and he would share
those things with me.
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Rosemary: But he walked
away from it as a young person.
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Peter: He had
drifted into the world
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and he was living in the
same sort of situation as me
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but he remembered those things
that the Bible had talked about
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and once I had had
my encounter with God,
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then, I was more... I
was open then to saying,
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"Well, what
does he have to say?"
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And once we started
looking into the Bible,
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there were so many
things in the Bible
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that I didn't know were there
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or I had no idea would be there,
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but I found the Bible
to be the most amazing book
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that I've ever encountered
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and it's not really
like any other book,
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it's not... you know,
I've read other story books
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and so forth
and... but this is a...
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it's a living book
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and I mean that in
every... every respect.
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John: I like the aspect...
that's a historical book also
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dealing from the
very beginning of mankind
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and following through.
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The great changes that took
place in the lives of people
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when they came to know God.
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Rosemary: When you say
that this is a living book,
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it's relevant for every age...
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every age of
whether you're a child...
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whether you're middle
age... older person, whatever,
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but also every age
through this earth's history
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that every
generation in every culture...
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this is relevant...
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it's living because
it's never out of date.
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Peter: Yeah, I mean, that's one
of the most remarkable things
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about it... in fact,
when I was in my early days,
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when I was reading in
the Bible, I was thinking,
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"Hey, they had
tax collectors too. "
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Rosemary: Laughter.
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Peter: You know, just
think little bits and pieces
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where you read and you think,
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"You know, this could
really have been written
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yesterday for me... "
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the counsel that's there...
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the... the... the fact that
it speaks to the human heart...
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I think that's the thing,
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is... you know, we can
look down through history
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and I visited the Middle East on
a number of different occasions
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and there are different cultures
and from the Biblical culture,
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we are separated
by thousands of miles,
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we're separated by
the cultural differences
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as well as the... the time
space of thousands of years
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and at the same time,
I think, one of the...
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the beauties of the Bible,
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one of the things
that makes it a living Book
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is that it speaks
to the human heart...
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it speaks to the human
mind in the 21 century...
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as much as it did
to the first century
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and in fact, I would
say that for our generation,
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it's even more
relevant than it ever has been
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because there's
so much of the Bible
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that has been
fulfilled in terms of prophecy
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that has been fulfilled
that gives us just even greater
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confidence in its message.
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Rosemary: But a lot of it is
also written for the end time.
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Peter: Yeah.
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Rosemary: So, there's a
lot of relevance to the time
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in which we're living
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actually written in the
Bible specifically for us.
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Peter: Yeah, so, you
know, I was thinking about
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Australian Prime
Minister, Scott Morrison
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had made a statement in regard
to the Coronavirus Crisis,
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and he had said that
there's no rule book for this.
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We're in unchartered territory
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and I thought about those
comments as he made them and
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I thought about the fact
that before I knew God...
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before I knew the Bible...
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I would have had that
whole approach myself,
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I don't know what to do...
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I don't know what
the future holds...
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I don't know what's ahead
of us... how should we react?
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in this new environment
that we find ourselves in?
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And... but as far
as God is concerned,
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it's not uncharted territory...
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there is no
unchartered territory
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as far as God is concerned
because he has charted it all
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and what He's done for us
is... He's revealed a little bit
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of that wisdom and
knowledge that we need
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in order to
understand where we are...
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where we've come
from... where we are
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and what's ahead of us so
that we can be best prepared
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for His soon
coming which is really...
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His goal is to ensure that
we're ready for when He returns.
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Rosemary: And a lot
of people in the world
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turn to things like
Astrology... Clairvoyance
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and all those sorts of
things to try and find out
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what's going to
happen in the future
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because they are
so worried about it,
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but God has given us His Word
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where He's revealed
some of these things to us
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so that we don't have
to worry about that...
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we don't have to know what's
going to happen in the future,
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we've got a basic understanding
and we just trust God for it
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so, we don't
have to get caught up
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in all these things,
"Oh, what's going to happen...
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what's going to
happen... the calamities... "
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because God has said... Jesus...
well, Jesus said in John 14:27,
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"Peace I leave with you,
my peace I give unto you:
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not as the world
giveth, give I unto you. "
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So, He's given
us an internal peace
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through His Word
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that we don't have to be going
to astrologers and... and things
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to find out
what's going to happen.
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Peter: That's right
and I think one of that...
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that was one of the
most impressive things to me.
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In fact, I studied one of
the prophecies in the Bible...
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a prophecy that many of
your Viewers may know...
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it's in Daniel chapter 2.
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Once I understood that prophecy
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and I understood what
God had revealed there,
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it was so
convincing to me that I said,
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"That is a Divine Book... "
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that is... that's no
ordinary book, right?
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Who can do that?"
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And so, prophecy has been
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very comforting to me because
I know that there's a God
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in charge of the universe,
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I know there's a God
Who knows where we live now
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and where He's
planning to take us to...
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there's another
verse that we're...
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we weren't planning to study
but I just want to throw it in
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because of the
comment that you made
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that we can have peace of mind
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and I think that's one of
the purposes of this Program
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I think today is to...
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to let people know that
it's not just this information
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about the future in the Bible,
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but it's that we
can have peace with God
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because He shared
that information with us.
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He wants us to know
that you can trust Me...
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that you can have peace in Me...
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and it's that verse
in John 16:33 that says,
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"In this world, you
will have tribulation,
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but in Me you can have peace...
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these things I've told you
that in Me you can have peace...
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in this world
you'll have tribulation
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but be of good cheer, for
I've overcome the world. "
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John: It's a lovely text.
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Peter: It's a
fantastic text, I think.
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Rosemary:
Despite the tribulation.
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Peter: Correct.
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John: Well, Peter,
we brought you here
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talking about the daily bread
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so we'll let you
lead out with that
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and Rosy's got a text to read
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and then we can launch
into telling the people
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exactly about the Word of
God and what it can do for you.
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Rosemary: Well, do you
want to lead us into it?
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Peter: Well, I was just...
yeah, I think, there was...
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I was thinking about the
last time I took a flight,
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you know, most of us have
been on an airplane, I guess,
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and not recently of course
because of the Coronavirus
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but... and who knows when
the next flight will be...
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maybe our next flight will
be flying to heaven with Jesus
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but you know,
you get on the flight
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and you have the Cabin Crew
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go through the
Flight Safety Card.
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John: That's right.
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Peter: And you know...
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Rosemary: Just in case.
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Peter: Just in
case, that's right...
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and, you know, they go
through it every flight
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no matter how many
flights you've been on
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they will go
through that process
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and, of course, if
you've been on a few flights,
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you sort of... "Yeah,
I've seen this before"
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and maybe you
don't take as much notice
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as you're not
as focused perhaps.
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Rosemary: So, they
try to get more creative
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on how to get your attention.
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Peter: Yeah, they try to
get your attention and so forth
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but they go
through that Safety Card
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and I guess, most of us don't
take that much attention to it
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if you've flown before
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and then, of
course, when you take off,
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if in the flight, then you start
to experience some turbulence...
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maybe you try to pull
out that Flight Safety Card
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and all of a sudden, it
becomes essential reading
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because you want to
know where the exits are
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and you know... you want to
know what kind of plane it is
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and what the configuration
is and all of that kind of thing
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and I think in a way
what the current crisis does
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is it focuses the mind...
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it helps us to... to think about
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what's really important and
what's less important in life
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you know, there's so many things
that have been closed down
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and what it enables us to do,
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you know,
there's been a turbulence
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as we're going along
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and we want to look at
what's the essential reading...
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what's the counsel...
what's the guidance...
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what's the important information
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that I need to know
while I'm on this journey.
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Rosemary: That's
right, so, I'm going to read
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Psalm 119 verse 105
is one of my assignments,
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I really... this is one of the
verses I learnt long time ago
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it's, "They Word is
a lamp unto my feet,
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and a light unto my path... "
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and that's a
wonderful description.
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Peter: Yeah, I sometimes
look at this verse and I think
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if I were in a dark place...
if you're in a dark alley...
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maybe you've got to
make your way home at night
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and maybe you've gotten lost
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or you're not
sure of the road...
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it's maybe unfamiliar to you
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and you're going
down in this dark alley,
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it would sure help if
you had a torch in your hand.
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Rosemary: Yeah.
John: It certainly would.
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Peter: You know what
I'm saying? It's like...
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Rosemary: Or you had
your phone with a torch on it.
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Peter: Well, that's
right... that's right
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and that... that...
most of us have that
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so... but it makes a big
difference when there's light
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and you know, a lot of the
city streets in the main...
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the center of town...
they have the streets lit up
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and it's in order to try
and make them safer, I guess,
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where there is
less danger lurking
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when... when you can
see where you're going
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and others can see you
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and I think in a world of...
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that's
spiritually dark at the moment
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what we need is a light
and the Bible provides that,
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it is a lamp to my feet...
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it actually helps me
to know where I'm going.
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There's actually a
companion verse to this
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that I want to look at that's...
we hadn't planned for...
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I'm going to turn to there
now, it's 2nd Peter chapter 1
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in the New Testament
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that has the same idea
about light and darkness
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and I just want to turn there,
turn to Peter... my namesake...
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and...
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Rosemary: What's
the verse number?
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Peter: It is 2nd Peter chapter 1
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and we're going to
pick it up in verse 19.
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2nd Peter chapter 1 verse 19.
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and Peter is writing
here to the church at large
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and he says, "And so we have
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the prophetic word confirmed,
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which you do well to
heed as a light that shines
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in a dark place,
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until the day dawns
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and the morning star
rises in your hearts... "
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and he goes on
and we can read more
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but He's basically saying
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about the prophetic
passages in the Bible
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that have come to pass
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and I guess, Peter, in part...
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he's thinking
about the fact that
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all through the Old Testament
the Messiah was predicted...
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He was prophesied to
come and Jesus has come
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and he was one of His disciples
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and he's saying,
"We've seen Him...
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we've seen Him alive
after the resurrection... "
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and he's testifying to that
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and he's saying, "We
have the prophetic word"
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all those prophecies
about Messiah came true
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because Jesus came
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and it says, "We have
the prophetic word confirmed,
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which you do well to heed
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as a light that
shines in a dark place... "
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and that to me is
what the Bible is...
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it provides
light in a dark place.
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John: When you gave
us that illustration
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and we're walking
along in the dark...
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you don't have
light without a source...
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it's either a phone
or torch or something,
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so, when we talk about
"The Word is the lamp... "
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that's the source from where the
light comes and emanates from.
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Peter: That's true.
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John: And so, it's very
important that we understand
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that the Word of
God is the source
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and it helps us
to go through life.
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Rosemary: We have to have power.
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Peter: That's
interesting, you know,
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sometimes...
often you'll find...
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I've got a red Bible here,
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but often
times, you have a Bible
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that's got a black
cover and people will say,
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"Why are so
often Bibles in black?"
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and I say, "Well,
because when they're closed,
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it's all dark. "
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All: Laughter.
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John: So, open it, it's inside.
Peter: You got to open it.
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Rosemary: I was actually
thinking of an illustration
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when you were talking
about going down the back...
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the dark alley...
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when we were in
Thailand one time
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and the kids were very
young and we were working there,
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we went through a... a cave...
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from one side of a mountain
to the other side through a cave
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it had a river
running through the cave,
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and we were in the
dark... total darkness...
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climbing through a cave
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with a couple of guys who
knew their way in the dark...
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we didn't have a clue
where we were putting our feet,
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there were boulders...
there were all sorts of things,
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there were ledges
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and we didn't know
where we were going
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but we were
feeling our way in the dark
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and then, finally,
there was a pinpoint of light
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at the end of the tunnel...
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and I'm in the end of the tunnel
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because that was where
the river came into the...
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into this huge cave...
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and it was quite an
experience I'll never forget
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but it was
groping in the darkness
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until we saw that light
and the Bible is like that,
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it lights up your life
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so you're no longer
groping in the dark.
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Peter: It's a
very comforting thing
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to have light in
the dark, you know,
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sometimes young children...
when they go to sleep at night,
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they... they're
afraid of the dark.
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Rosemary: That made me
think of another illustration.
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Peter: They're afraid of
the dark but... but yes... no...
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the light is very comforting
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and that is God's
purpose, I believe,
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He wants... He gave us
this record for a reason,
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He wants us to... to know
that He knows where we are,
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He wants us to
know there's a plan...
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and He wants us to know
that He has our future secure.
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John: I like the idea...
you go to sleep at night,
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it's dark... and you
look forward to the morning
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and... and the light is
up and you become active,
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it's a bit like that
with the Word of God too,
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you become active
and you know better.
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Peter: That is so true, yeah.
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Rosemary: Hmmm...
so I've got a verse...
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John: Matthew 6:11, you
know that's the Lord's Prayer
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and I'm sure
many of you know it,
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and in verse 11 it says,
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"Give us this day
our daily bread. "
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Is that talking
about our food, Peter?
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what is that talking about?
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Peter: Well, you
know, I think that...
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I'm sure there are many ways
you could look at this verse,
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and certainly, God
is our Provider, right?
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John: Yes.
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Peter: He is the
provider of the sustenance...
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the sun and the rain
that makes the crops grow.
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He is the One that
provides our literal daily bread
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in terms of the food that
He brings forth from the earth
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that He designed for us to eat.
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But I also think of it
in terms of the Word of God.
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The Bible is compared...
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the Word of God is
compared to bread in the Bible
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in a number of
different places...
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we're going to look at
some of those other verses
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a little later as well
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but in terms of the daily bread,
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you know, bread is
one of those staples
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that people
around the world eat...
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we talk about the bread
line or we talk about...
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John: Your bread
and water shall be sure.
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Peter: Well, that's
what the Bible says...
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or we might say,
"Putting bread on the table...
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how am I'm going to
put bread on the table?"
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and it's just one of
the standards staple foods
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that people eat
all over the world
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and I think that when it
talks about the daily bread,
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I think there's a
spiritual element here that...
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we need our daily dose of God.
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You know, we need
our daily dose of God
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and I often
will say to people...
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and I'm teaching them the Bible
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that God only
expects you to read the Bible
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on the days you eat.
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Rosemary: Yes,
I've heard you say that.
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Peter: You know, and so...
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and of course, the days we
eat are pretty much every day
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unless you're fasting
for a particular reason...
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most days you're eating and so,
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every day you're eating and so.
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John: And you don't
eat once, you eat...
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Peter: That's right.
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John: And some people eat
continuously through the day...
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that's not a bad
thing with the Word of God.
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Peter: That's
right... that's right.
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I also think... you know, in
terms of daily... daily bread
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I think the Bible for me
is like spiritual medicine.
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John: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Peter: You know, we
have the sin sickness
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that the Bible talks about
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and it's really a
self-centeredness...
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it's a selfishness,
you know, if I was to...
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if you wanted to sum up
what the scene really is...
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it's selfishness
amongst other things
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and... and we all have it
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and it's something
that we can't deal with
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unless God deals
with it for us...
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we have to bring it to God
and He... He will deal with that
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it's... the Bible to me is like,
yes, it's like daily bread,
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it's daily food... but
it's also like daily medicine,
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you know, daily
medicine that helps me
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to learn to be less selfish
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and to learn from
Jesus to be more selfless.
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You know, Jesus
was... the Bible says,
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"God is love" and
we see the best example
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of the character of
God in the person of Jesus
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who came into the
world... God in the flesh
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to show us
really what God was like
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and to show us how
to treat one another...
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how to live a selfless life
as opposed to a selfish life
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and I find in the Scriptures
that it's like a daily medicine,
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you know,
sometimes you might get sick
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and you go to a
physician... you go to a doctor
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and he might prescribe
for you some antibiotics
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and he'll say, "Take one a day
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but finish the course. "
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Rosemary: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Peter: And you
might take one a day
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and after three or four days,
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you might be
feeling a lot better
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and you might think,
"Well, do I need to...?"
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Well, no he said,
"Finish the course... "
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Rosemary: That's
the temptation isn't it?
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Peter: And I think God is
saying "You need me every day...
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and you need to
finish the course... "
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which means, you're
going to need me every day
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until Jesus comes
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and then you'll be
with me face to face.
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John: Someone said,
"It's the eye problem... "
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and so, the Word of God
helps you to see clearly
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and takes away the eye problem.
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Peter: Yes, yeah I know,
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and so, that's how I sort
of see that in the daily bread.
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The other thing I
think of is the fact that
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no matter how
well you eat, John,
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I'll never be nourished by that,
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you know that I'm saying?
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John: That's true.
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Peter: You can eat
three hearty meals a day
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but that's not
going to help me at all
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you know, and I
think sometimes we can...
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I think, Christians sometimes
can get caught in the trap
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of waiting for a
preacher or a teacher
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to give them that
morsel of spiritual food
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where God really
wants us to learn
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how to get the food
ourselves that He has provided.
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There's a... there's
a story that I've heard
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and I might have
even heard it on 3ABN
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and it's about the
bears in Yellowstone Park
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and the tourists that
go there to feed the bears
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and there are Park Rangers there
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and the tourists
are feeding the bears...
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there were some alone
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and one of the tourists says,
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"You know, you've got all
these signs up around the park
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saying to the tourists
"Do not feed the bears"
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but the tourists
seem to take no notice
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and they're feeding the bears
all the time and what have you
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and the... the Ranger says...
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he said, "Yeah, it's very sad,
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I wish the tourists would
be back here in the winter time
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where they see
the bears starving
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because the bears have
never learned to feed themselves
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because they've
relied on the tourists...
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and so, when the winter comes
when there are no tourists,
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the bears are starving
because they haven't learned
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to feed themselves... "
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and the Ranger said, "A
fed bear is a dead bear... "
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and the... the idea is that
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God has provided
this for us as Christians
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not to wait for some expert
or some priest or some doctor
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to be able to share wisdom
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although those
people can do that
00:22:48.50\00:22:50.40
but God has provided the Word.
00:22:50.47\00:22:52.43
We're so lucky that we
have the Word available to us
00:22:52.50\00:22:56.04
and God wants us to go
and get our daily bread
00:22:56.07\00:22:58.54
straight from the source.
00:22:58.57\00:23:00.28
Rosemary: Talking about
daily bread, let me read Exodus
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chapter 16 verse 21.
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Peter: Right.
00:23:05.65\00:23:06.98
Rosemary: This is
talking about heavenly bread...
00:23:07.02\00:23:09.48
I want to taste this bread.
00:23:09.52\00:23:11.92
It was a test that God had
given to the people of Israel
00:23:11.95\00:23:16.16
and it says, "And they
gathered it every morning,
00:23:16.19\00:23:20.36
every man
according to his eating:
00:23:20.40\00:23:23.23
and when the sun
waxed hot, it melted. "
00:23:23.26\00:23:26.80
Now, this is the
manna... the bread from heaven.
00:23:26.84\00:23:29.57
Peter: Right,
so this story is...
00:23:29.60\00:23:32.37
I think there is an
element of test in it
00:23:32.41\00:23:34.41
but I... I
actually think it's a story
00:23:34.44\00:23:36.41
about God's great provision
00:23:36.44\00:23:37.78
and the children of
Israel had come out of Egypt,
00:23:37.81\00:23:41.22
they were now in the wilderness,
00:23:41.28\00:23:42.62
they were free but
they were still hungry
00:23:42.65\00:23:44.39
and they wanted something to eat
00:23:44.45\00:23:46.12
and God rained
down manna from heaven
00:23:46.15\00:23:48.16
for them to eat and
we don't know precisely
00:23:48.19\00:23:50.96
what it looked like...
00:23:50.99\00:23:52.33
the Bible
describes it a little bit
00:23:52.36\00:23:53.93
but this is
obviously something unique,
00:23:53.96\00:23:55.70
you don't see this
stuff growing on trees,
00:23:55.73\00:23:57.37
but God had rained down manna...
bread from heaven... so to speak
00:23:57.40\00:24:01.97
to feed His people... He
was providing for His people
00:24:02.00\00:24:05.24
and He was raining it
down six days of the week
00:24:05.27\00:24:07.78
and then there would
be none on the Sabbath
00:24:07.81\00:24:10.28
and the idea would be,
00:24:10.31\00:24:11.71
on the sixth day, they
would gather twice as much
00:24:11.75\00:24:13.85
so that they would
have some for Friday
00:24:13.88\00:24:15.52
and then some for
the Sabbath as well
00:24:15.55\00:24:17.12
and, of course, the reason I
sort of put this verse in there
00:24:17.15\00:24:24.43
is that sometimes as
Christians we get the idea that
00:24:24.49\00:24:29.16
we go along
every weekend to church
00:24:29.23\00:24:32.33
and we get our meal for the week
00:24:32.37\00:24:35.47
and we try and...
00:24:35.50\00:24:36.87
Rosemary: We get filled up.
00:24:36.91\00:24:38.24
Peter: We get filled up on
what the preacher has preached
00:24:38.27\00:24:40.44
with the food he's
eaten over the week
00:24:40.48\00:24:42.48
and we try and grab
some of those crumbs
00:24:42.51\00:24:46.31
and we hope that that meal is
going to last us all week long
00:24:46.35\00:24:50.15
until we can get back to
church and get another helping,
00:24:50.19\00:24:53.92
so to speak of spiritual food,
00:24:53.96\00:24:56.09
whereas I think what this
story of the manna teaches me
00:24:56.12\00:25:01.36
is that God is providing
bread from heaven every day
00:25:01.40\00:25:05.83
for us to go out and collect
and it's in the Word of God
00:25:05.87\00:25:10.24
and then, you see, on
Sabbath, there is no more...
00:25:10.31\00:25:14.71
well, what does that mean?
00:25:14.74\00:25:16.08
I think what it means is,
we gather that bread every day
00:25:16.11\00:25:19.08
and we're
studying the Word of God...
00:25:19.11\00:25:20.98
we're reading
from the Word of God...
00:25:21.02\00:25:22.82
we're getting that
daily bread every day
00:25:22.88\00:25:24.79
and then on
Sabbath, we come to church
00:25:24.82\00:25:26.72
praising the
Lord... thanking God
00:25:26.76\00:25:29.79
for all that He's fed
us with through the week.
00:25:29.82\00:25:31.99
John: That's right.
00:25:32.03\00:25:33.36
Peter: So, rather than
coming starving to death
00:25:33.40\00:25:35.63
hoping to get it filled.
00:25:35.66\00:25:37.10
Rosemary: And it's not as
though there isn't any bread
00:25:37.13\00:25:39.40
for the Sabbath
00:25:39.43\00:25:40.87
because He's given
us extra on the Friday
00:25:40.94\00:25:42.50
to use on the Sabbath.
00:25:42.57\00:25:44.91
So, on the Sabbath
we still have bread...
00:25:44.94\00:25:46.84
we just didn't have
to go and gather it...
00:25:46.88\00:25:48.74
He's given it to us already.
00:25:48.78\00:25:50.11
Peter: That's
right... that's right,
00:25:50.15\00:25:51.48
but I think that that to me...
00:25:51.51\00:25:53.15
there's a huge shift in my mind
00:25:53.18\00:25:55.15
because as an unbeliever,
I would think to myself,
00:25:55.18\00:25:58.79
"Why would you spend any
time at all going to church?
00:25:58.82\00:26:02.42
What a phenomenal
waste of time... "
00:26:02.46\00:26:05.56
I would have thought, you know,
00:26:05.59\00:26:07.00
because I didn't
think God exists...
00:26:07.03\00:26:08.36
it makes a whole bunch of
difference if God really is real
00:26:08.40\00:26:11.03
and it makes a
difference as to...
00:26:11.07\00:26:13.44
"Is He worthy of worship?"
00:26:13.47\00:26:15.74
The Bible tells us that
God is worthy of worship
00:26:15.77\00:26:18.37
because He is the
Creator and He is the Redeemer
00:26:18.41\00:26:20.78
and so, that makes a
whole lot of difference
00:26:20.81\00:26:23.14
but I think it...
it makes a difference
00:26:23.18\00:26:24.91
in the Christian sense
that why do we go to church?
00:26:24.95\00:26:28.68
Do we go to get
or do we go to give?"
00:26:28.72\00:26:31.32
Rosemary: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:26:31.35\00:26:32.69
Peter: And from my
perspective it's definitely
00:26:32.72\00:26:35.22
a very much a case
of... you go to give...
00:26:35.26\00:26:37.93
you go to give God your
worship... your adoration...
00:26:37.99\00:26:40.46
you go to give
support and encouragement
00:26:40.50\00:26:42.53
to other Christian believers
00:26:42.56\00:26:43.90
and when you go to give, in
the beautiful economy of God,
00:26:43.93\00:26:48.57
you always get blessed.
00:26:48.60\00:26:50.74
You don't go to get it,
00:26:50.77\00:26:52.84
but because you go
to give, you get blessed
00:26:52.87\00:26:55.84
and that's...
00:26:55.88\00:26:57.21
Rosemary: You go to give because
you've been getting all week.
00:26:57.25\00:26:59.08
Peter: That's right... yeah...
00:26:59.11\00:27:00.45
so, that's one of
the beautiful things.
00:27:00.48\00:27:02.12
There's one other thing
I'm going to mention about that
00:27:02.18\00:27:04.29
in terms of the
spiritual battle that we face,
00:27:04.32\00:27:08.26
we have a carnal
nature... a natural nature
00:27:08.29\00:27:12.23
and that is a
natural selfish nature,
00:27:12.26\00:27:13.96
I don't need to be
taught how to be more selfish,
00:27:14.00\00:27:16.26
I'm pretty good at
that naturally, right?
00:27:16.30\00:27:18.70
But I do need to be taught
how to be more selfless...
00:27:18.73\00:27:21.20
and so, you... we have this...
00:27:21.24\00:27:23.47
the battle going on that...
00:27:23.51\00:27:25.21
that is in our
hearts... it's in our minds...
00:27:25.24\00:27:27.48
we see it in the world...
00:27:27.51\00:27:28.84
the battle
between good and evil,
00:27:28.88\00:27:30.21
but that battle exists in
the heart and in the mind too
00:27:30.25\00:27:32.75
and we want to give God
the victory in that battle
00:27:32.78\00:27:36.38
and so,
sometimes I think of the...
00:27:36.42\00:27:39.75
the spiritual battle...
00:27:39.79\00:27:41.29
it's like a battle
between two dogs fighting
00:27:41.32\00:27:45.09
and you might
separate those two dogs
00:27:45.13\00:27:47.80
and you might
feed one for two weeks
00:27:47.83\00:27:50.47
and then you starve
the other for two weeks
00:27:50.50\00:27:52.47
and then you put
them back together...
00:27:52.50\00:27:54.34
and it's the one
that's the strongest...
00:27:54.37\00:27:56.17
it's the one that's
been fed for the two weeks
00:27:56.20\00:27:58.01
that's going to win that battle,
00:27:58.04\00:27:59.37
so, I like to say,
"You've got to feed the dog
00:27:59.41\00:28:02.44
you want to win. "
00:28:02.48\00:28:03.85
Rosemary: Hmmm...
00:28:03.88\00:28:05.21
Peter: And in
the spiritual battle,
00:28:05.25\00:28:06.61
we have to feed the
dog we want to win...
00:28:06.65\00:28:08.95
we have to feed
the spiritual side
00:28:08.98\00:28:10.52
and that's why I think the
Scriptures are so important
00:28:10.55\00:28:13.22
because it enables us to feed
the spiritual side of our nature
00:28:13.25\00:28:17.69
there's plenty of
other influences in the world
00:28:17.76\00:28:19.59
that are going to attempt to
fill and feed the carnal nature
00:28:19.63\00:28:24.80
and I think sometimes in
my own Christian experience,
00:28:24.83\00:28:29.94
if I spend six
days with the world
00:28:30.01\00:28:32.91
and then come again to try
and get that feast on Sabbath,
00:28:32.97\00:28:37.91
to... to... to fill me
up for the rest of the week,
00:28:37.95\00:28:41.82
it's a lot greater challenge
to live a Christian life.
00:28:41.85\00:28:45.69
John: It's an
absolutely huge challenge
00:28:45.72\00:28:47.82
because it's interfering
with what you've done
00:28:47.86\00:28:49.59
in the six days
previous and so...
00:28:49.62\00:28:51.93
Peter: Yeah, it's contrary...
it's like running upstream.
00:28:51.96\00:28:53.73
John: Yeah, and so,
why? it becomes unpleasant
00:28:53.80\00:28:56.97
because you can't do
anymore what you want to do,
00:28:57.03\00:29:00.14
and so, it is a real challenge,
an absolute challenge.
00:29:00.20\00:29:03.51
Peter: So, feeding
the side we want to win
00:29:03.54\00:29:05.84
is important in
that spiritual battle.
00:29:05.87\00:29:08.11
Rosemary: John, why
don't you read Proverbs...
00:29:08.14\00:29:10.75
John: 3:5 and 6...
these are verses...
00:29:10.81\00:29:13.28
some texts that
I've learnt also it says,
00:29:13.31\00:29:16.08
"Trust in the Lord
with all thine heart;
00:29:16.12\00:29:18.69
and lean not unto
thine own understanding.
00:29:18.72\00:29:21.22
In all thy ways acknowledge Him,
00:29:21.26\00:29:23.59
and He shall direct thy paths. "
00:29:23.63\00:29:25.43
I mean, can we
trust God? Absolutely.
00:29:25.46\00:29:29.13
Peter: Absolutely, and I
think well... we say that John,
00:29:29.16\00:29:32.10
because we have
experience in trusting God
00:29:32.13\00:29:35.20
and having the
payoff, you know what I mean?
00:29:35.27\00:29:38.31
He is... He is faithful...
00:29:38.34\00:29:39.67
we have had some
experience with that
00:29:39.71\00:29:44.41
and there were times when
I didn't have that experience
00:29:44.45\00:29:46.65
and I had to choose...
00:29:46.68\00:29:48.15
trust God or go
back to the world?
00:29:48.18\00:29:49.95
John: It's like driving
a car, you're in charge,
00:29:49.98\00:29:51.55
you want to go
where you want to go...
00:29:51.62\00:29:52.95
this is saying, "I'm
going to give it to someone
00:29:52.99\00:29:55.52
who really knows how to drive
and really knows where to go. "
00:29:55.59\00:29:58.39
That's the... that's
the faith that's needed.
00:29:58.43\00:30:00.83
Peter: And then there
are a lot of metaphors
00:30:00.86\00:30:03.16
that we'll use in this Program
00:30:03.20\00:30:04.53
and a lot of
metaphors that are being used
00:30:04.57\00:30:06.13
to describe the Bible
00:30:06.17\00:30:07.50
but in lots of ways, it's
like a map from here to heaven,
00:30:07.54\00:30:13.01
all right, it's a way...
it's a way of directing us...
00:30:13.04\00:30:16.78
in fact, these two verses,
00:30:16.81\00:30:18.35
I like to think
of Proverbs 3:5 and 6
00:30:18.38\00:30:21.38
as God's GPS... John: Okay.
00:30:21.45\00:30:23.92
Peter: God's Positioning System
00:30:23.99\00:30:26.42
you know, where we'll
rely on our GPS these days
00:30:26.45\00:30:29.56
to get us from A to B and it
hopefully shows you the best way
00:30:29.59\00:30:32.43
and doesn't take
you off into a field
00:30:32.46\00:30:33.80
or find yourself in
the middle of nowhere.
00:30:33.83\00:30:35.86
John: When those
first GPSs came out,
00:30:35.90\00:30:37.67
I remember we would go...
00:30:37.70\00:30:39.37
Peter: They were a bit dodgy.
John: They were very dodgy.
00:30:39.40\00:30:41.07
Rosemary:
There's also just down...
00:30:41.10\00:30:43.14
just down a little bit
further in that chapter,
00:30:43.17\00:30:46.07
there's a verse that says,
00:30:46.11\00:30:47.64
"My son despise not
the chastening of the LORD;
00:30:47.68\00:30:51.41
neither be weary
of His correction... "
00:30:51.45\00:30:53.65
and when you put it
together with Proverbs 3:5...
00:30:53.68\00:30:57.42
"Trust in the Lord
with all thine heart... "
00:30:57.45\00:30:59.59
when He's
chastening you, trust Him
00:30:59.62\00:31:01.92
don't lean to
your own understanding
00:31:01.96\00:31:03.73
of what's going on.
00:31:03.76\00:31:05.09
Peter: Well, that fits
right in with the GPS idea
00:31:05.13\00:31:07.76
because the verse 6 there...
you've got... I'll read it again
00:31:07.80\00:31:10.97
"Trust in the Lord
with all your heart
00:31:11.00\00:31:12.37
and lean not on your
own understanding... "
00:31:12.40\00:31:14.10
that's verse 5...
00:31:14.14\00:31:15.47
and verse 6, "In all
your ways acknowledge Him
00:31:15.50\00:31:17.97
and he shall
direct your paths. "
00:31:18.01\00:31:21.51
Rosemary: But then verse 7 says,
"Be not wise in your own eyes:
00:31:21.54\00:31:25.65
fear the LORD, and
depart from evil... "
00:31:25.68\00:31:27.55
so, they all go together,
00:31:27.62\00:31:28.95
when you put
those verses together,
00:31:28.98\00:31:30.32
it makes a lot more sense.
00:31:30.35\00:31:31.89
Peter: Well, the verse
you refer to... verse 11,
00:31:31.92\00:31:34.72
it says, "Do not
detest His correction. "
00:31:34.76\00:31:37.03
You're driving down the road,
00:31:37.06\00:31:38.83
you're supposed to
have taken a left turn
00:31:38.86\00:31:41.76
and the GPS says,
"Perform a U turn... "
00:31:41.80\00:31:44.70
you heard that? You know,
00:31:44.73\00:31:46.53
when you've gone past the
road you should have gone down,
00:31:46.60\00:31:48.40
and then you need to
come back and take...
00:31:48.44\00:31:50.07
that's a "course
correction" right?
00:31:50.11\00:31:52.47
Do not despise that correction
00:31:52.51\00:31:55.28
because otherwise
you're going to get lost...
00:31:55.31\00:31:58.81
right? Isn't that right?
00:31:58.85\00:32:00.88
You're going to end up lost
00:32:00.92\00:32:02.25
if you don't
follow the directions
00:32:02.28\00:32:04.95
so, that's what God
provides and I think that...
00:32:05.02\00:32:07.16
that for me... again was...
00:32:07.19\00:32:09.92
it's a very
comforting set of verses...
00:32:09.96\00:32:11.79
you put your trust in the Lord,
00:32:11.86\00:32:13.19
He's going to be the
One who directs your paths
00:32:13.23\00:32:16.13
because we all have
limited understanding
00:32:16.16\00:32:18.33
of the... the
place that we live in
00:32:18.37\00:32:21.30
or the work that we're
doing, whatever it might be...
00:32:21.34\00:32:23.87
we have limited understanding
and the Bible says,
00:32:23.91\00:32:26.44
"Do not lean on your
own understanding... "
00:32:26.47\00:32:28.24
rather lean on the understanding
of the One who made you...
00:32:28.28\00:32:32.15
who knows where you came from...
00:32:32.18\00:32:34.05
knows where you are now...
00:32:34.12\00:32:35.45
and knows what
these plans are for you
00:32:35.48\00:32:36.95
and so, I really like that...
00:32:36.99\00:32:39.35
it's God trying to direct us on
a path that takes us to heaven.
00:32:39.39\00:32:43.59
John: It doesn't
matter who you are...
00:32:43.63\00:32:45.49
we are all a
product of what we're taught
00:32:45.53\00:32:48.26
and so, if
you've had the ability
00:32:48.30\00:32:49.66
to grow up in a Christian home,
00:32:49.70\00:32:51.03
your understanding is very
different to someone who hasn't
00:32:51.07\00:32:54.50
but the thing is, if
we trust in the Lord...
00:32:54.54\00:32:56.97
if we go to the Word of God,
you'll discover more information
00:32:57.01\00:33:00.98
more knowledge that will help
you to go down that right path.
00:33:01.01\00:33:04.05
Rosemary: Now, you're talking
about God directing our paths,
00:33:04.08\00:33:07.12
I want you to use the
ability and the knowledge
00:33:07.15\00:33:10.32
that God has given you
00:33:10.35\00:33:11.69
to direct us on the path
of how to study this Word.
00:33:11.72\00:33:14.42
Peter: Well...
well... thank you for...
00:33:14.46\00:33:17.09
yeah, mentioning that
because I think there's...
00:33:17.13\00:33:19.56
a couple of things I would say,
00:33:19.59\00:33:21.26
there's lots of different
ways to approach the Bible
00:33:21.30\00:33:23.90
and I'm going to talk a little
bit about some of the tools
00:33:23.93\00:33:26.27
that I first...
I guess discovered
00:33:26.30\00:33:29.94
when I first came to the Bible
because the Bible is a big book
00:33:29.97\00:33:34.54
right, for... for
the average person...
00:33:34.58\00:33:36.68
the Bible is a big book...
00:33:36.71\00:33:38.05
a lot of people don't do
a lot of reading these days
00:33:38.08\00:33:39.88
and I didn't do
a lot of reading,
00:33:39.91\00:33:41.25
I'm a very visual person
00:33:41.28\00:33:42.62
but the Bible was so fascinating
and I had to get into it
00:33:42.65\00:33:46.29
and the... you can
read from the beginning,
00:33:46.32\00:33:50.53
you can read Genesis and Exodus
00:33:50.56\00:33:52.36
and you can start reading
if that's what you want to do
00:33:52.39\00:33:55.90
and actually Genesis is
a good foundational book
00:33:55.93\00:33:58.03
to understand where
everything came from,
00:33:58.07\00:34:00.07
but a lot of people will start
reading in the New Testament
00:34:00.10\00:34:02.70
they might read
one of the gospels:
00:34:02.74\00:34:04.17
Matthew, Mark, Luke or John,
00:34:04.21\00:34:05.61
in fact, I often will say in
terms of the Christian faith...
00:34:05.64\00:34:09.41
in terms of the gospels...
I often say to people,
00:34:09.44\00:34:12.85
"Start with the
gospel of Mark... "
00:34:12.88\00:34:14.88
it's a very... it's
the shortest of the gospels
00:34:14.92\00:34:17.92
and it's very brisk as
it moves through the story
00:34:17.95\00:34:24.09
of the life of Jesus
00:34:24.13\00:34:25.46
and so, all the
time in Mark it will say,
00:34:25.49\00:34:29.73
"And immediately
Jesus did this...
00:34:29.76\00:34:31.10
and immediately this occurred"
00:34:31.13\00:34:32.53
and it moves fairly
rapidly through the story
00:34:32.57\00:34:35.80
so, if you're
going to start somewhere,
00:34:35.84\00:34:37.47
I think Mark is not
a bad place to start
00:34:37.51\00:34:39.54
in terms of... if
you're new to the Book,
00:34:39.57\00:34:42.88
but the other
thing I would say...
00:34:42.91\00:34:45.31
there were three tools, I
guess, that I found helpful
00:34:45.35\00:34:49.15
when I was
starting out in the Bible
00:34:49.18\00:34:51.09
and I realize there will be many
people watching this Program
00:34:51.12\00:34:53.59
who have been studying
the Bible for a while...
00:34:53.62\00:34:56.26
and that's great and
we should keep doing that,
00:34:56.29\00:34:59.46
in fact, I'll
insert a piece here
00:34:59.49\00:35:01.50
that one of the reasons that the
Bible is unlike any other book,
00:35:01.53\00:35:05.23
is because you can
read the whole thing through
00:35:05.27\00:35:07.90
and you still need to read
the whole thing through again.
00:35:07.94\00:35:11.01
Rosemary: And again, and
again, you keep reading more.
00:35:11.04\00:35:13.71
Peter: Every time you come...
00:35:13.74\00:35:15.08
my wife and I were
circling through the Bible again
00:35:15.11\00:35:18.28
at the moment and
00:35:18.31\00:35:19.65
you come across verses
that you've never seen before
00:35:19.68\00:35:23.89
even though you
have seen them before.
00:35:23.92\00:35:26.02
"How come I
haven't seen that before?"
00:35:26.05\00:35:28.09
"Who wrote that in there?"
00:35:28.12\00:35:29.69
Rosemary: I come
across verses, I think,
00:35:29.72\00:35:31.19
"I've never
seen that before... "
00:35:31.26\00:35:32.73
and yet I've got it underlined
00:35:32.76\00:35:34.20
or I've got a
word circled and go,
00:35:34.23\00:35:35.66
"I have looked at that before. "
00:35:35.70\00:35:37.13
Peter: And suddenly, because of
the experiences that you've had
00:35:37.17\00:35:40.54
since you last
read that... that word
00:35:40.60\00:35:42.94
or because of all the other
Bible verses that you've read
00:35:43.00\00:35:45.47
circling your way
back to that verse,
00:35:45.51\00:35:47.11
it's opened a window
on that verse for you...
00:35:47.14\00:35:50.11
your experience is opened...
00:35:50.15\00:35:51.61
your experience with God has
opened a window on that verse
00:35:51.65\00:35:53.92
for you... that makes
it all the more prevalent
00:35:53.95\00:35:56.02
so, I love re-discovery
of the Bible as you go along
00:35:56.08\00:36:00.06
but there were three, I guess,
things that I found helpful
00:36:00.09\00:36:03.76
when I first came to the
Bible, one was a Concordance...
00:36:03.79\00:36:07.40
a good Concordance
00:36:07.43\00:36:08.76
and I have a Strong's...
00:36:08.80\00:36:10.47
a hard copy of
Strong's Concordance
00:36:10.53\00:36:12.27
of course, these days, I
have my computer Bible version
00:36:12.30\00:36:16.10
and I've got the
Concordance on that
00:36:16.14\00:36:17.64
and I've got the
Bible on my phone
00:36:17.67\00:36:19.11
and I can search words on that
but that's a really useful tool
00:36:19.14\00:36:22.61
to be able to search up words
00:36:22.64\00:36:24.58
so that you can
see the word "Messiah"
00:36:24.61\00:36:27.15
in one place in the Bible
00:36:27.18\00:36:28.52
and you can find out
where that word appears
00:36:28.55\00:36:30.69
in other places in the Bible,
00:36:30.72\00:36:32.05
that's a very helpful tool.
00:36:32.09\00:36:33.42
The other two tools
that are very... fairly basic
00:36:33.46\00:36:36.16
but I think are
really quite helpful
00:36:36.19\00:36:39.23
is to have timeline of the Bible
00:36:39.26\00:36:42.13
and realize
what happened when...
00:36:42.16\00:36:45.00
because when I understood
00:36:45.03\00:36:46.37
and you mentioned
this before, John,
00:36:46.40\00:36:48.20
about the
historicalness of the Bible...
00:36:48.24\00:36:50.41
the fact that this
is bedded in history...
00:36:50.44\00:36:53.11
this is God
interacting with real people
00:36:53.14\00:36:55.68
in real places
that really existed
00:36:55.71\00:36:58.11
which is again
another encouragement to us...
00:36:58.15\00:37:00.82
if God can work in real
people's lives back then,
00:37:00.85\00:37:03.45
He can work in real
people's lives today.
00:37:03.49\00:37:05.75
But it was really helpful to me
00:37:05.79\00:37:08.76
to have a timeline
from the beginning...
00:37:08.79\00:37:10.99
where all the
different characters and events
00:37:11.03\00:37:13.90
of the Bible took place
00:37:13.93\00:37:15.33
because that is
not all chronological.
00:37:15.36\00:37:17.27
The Bible is gathered
together in different sections
00:37:17.30\00:37:22.00
so, you have the
section of the Law...
00:37:22.04\00:37:23.54
then you have the history
00:37:23.57\00:37:24.91
and then you have
the minor prophets
00:37:24.94\00:37:26.61
and then you have the
poetry... the Psalms...
00:37:26.64\00:37:29.94
the major prophets... the
minor prophets and so forth,
00:37:29.98\00:37:32.51
they're gathered
together in a different way
00:37:32.55\00:37:34.72
than a chronological fashion
00:37:34.75\00:37:36.55
so, it's helpful because most
of us think chronologically...
00:37:36.58\00:37:40.02
it's helpful to
have that timeline.
00:37:40.06\00:37:41.49
Rosemary: It helps you also see
where the Bible and History...
00:37:41.52\00:37:45.36
the things that
you're learning in school...
00:37:45.39\00:37:47.70
where they fit together...
where the pharaohs were...
00:37:47.73\00:37:50.03
where the Romans
were... where the... whoever...
00:37:50.07\00:37:51.77
Peter: Yeah, there's so
much great ancient history there
00:37:51.80\00:37:54.57
but... and the thing is a map...
00:37:54.60\00:37:56.64
you know, you can buy a
fairly cheap Bible map...
00:37:56.67\00:38:01.21
you know, a set of Bible maps
00:38:01.24\00:38:02.58
to just help you find
your way around the Bible lands
00:38:02.61\00:38:05.48
and the journeys
that Abraham took or...
00:38:05.51\00:38:08.18
Rosemary: When you're a visual
person... that's very helpful.
00:38:08.22\00:38:10.39
Peter: I think so... so in
terms of studying the Bible,
00:38:10.42\00:38:13.89
what we're really
talking about here...
00:38:13.92\00:38:16.02
we mentioned before
about the daily bread
00:38:16.06\00:38:18.13
and the need
really for me to get
00:38:18.16\00:38:20.50
a dose of God's Word every day
00:38:20.53\00:38:22.76
and so, how do you do that
00:38:22.83\00:38:25.47
and how do you keep
that... that fresh...
00:38:25.50\00:38:27.54
and I've mentioned you could...
00:38:27.57\00:38:28.90
you can read
through a book of the Bible
00:38:28.94\00:38:31.07
but what I tend to do these days
in my own daily devotions is...
00:38:31.11\00:38:35.64
I'm in the
Gospels... I'm in John now...
00:38:35.68\00:38:37.71
I've been going
through the Gospels,
00:38:37.75\00:38:39.75
Matthew, Mark, Luke,
John, and what I will do is,
00:38:39.78\00:38:42.98
I just take one story
in the Gospel of John...
00:38:43.05\00:38:46.19
so, not even a whole chapter
but one little section...
00:38:46.22\00:38:49.42
and in my Bible I
have little headings
00:38:49.46\00:38:51.53
for each of those sections
00:38:51.56\00:38:53.26
and so, I can read a
little section of the Bible...
00:38:53.29\00:38:56.10
one particular
story that is there
00:38:56.13\00:38:58.80
and I will read
that story through...
00:38:58.83\00:39:01.44
and I might read it
through two or three times
00:39:01.47\00:39:03.74
so I've got a good
handle on what that story is
00:39:03.77\00:39:06.01
and then I ask
myself three questions
00:39:06.04\00:39:08.91
and these are the
three questions that I ask,
00:39:08.94\00:39:12.75
"What does this
story teach me about God?"
00:39:12.78\00:39:16.42
Rosemary: Hmmm...
00:39:16.45\00:39:17.79
Peter: Okay...
that's what I want to know.
00:39:17.82\00:39:19.72
We're reading the Bible because
we want to know about God right?
00:39:19.75\00:39:22.29
So, what does this
story teach me about God?
00:39:22.32\00:39:25.76
And it might tell me something
about a characteristic of God...
00:39:25.79\00:39:29.33
God's care for humanity...
00:39:29.36\00:39:30.77
God's creative power...
00:39:30.80\00:39:32.13
might tell me about the
compassion of God through Jesus
00:39:32.17\00:39:34.90
and so forth, but
I'm asking that question,
00:39:34.94\00:39:37.74
"What does this
story teach me about God?"
00:39:37.77\00:39:41.54
And what I'm doing
now too is I'm journaling
00:39:41.58\00:39:45.31
and I didn't use to journal
00:39:45.38\00:39:46.82
because I don't
enjoy writing much,
00:39:46.85\00:39:48.42
I'm not a great writer I
mean, I can write, believe me,
00:39:48.45\00:39:51.42
I was able to pass exams
and everything so, I can write
00:39:51.45\00:39:57.33
but it's not my most
enjoyable thing to do
00:39:57.36\00:39:59.29
but I have begun...
00:39:59.36\00:40:01.70
in the last few
years I've begun journaling
00:40:01.73\00:40:06.57
and I don't write a lot
00:40:06.60\00:40:08.87
but what I do write
is, I write the date...
00:40:08.90\00:40:11.67
I write the passage of
Scripture that I'm looking at,
00:40:11.71\00:40:15.18
and then I write 1...
the answer to question 1...
00:40:15.21\00:40:19.38
"What does this say about God?"
00:40:19.41\00:40:20.75
And I'll write in there what
this passage tells me about God
00:40:20.78\00:40:25.15
and I'll just write that
down in a couple of sentences
00:40:25.19\00:40:28.49
and then, the question 2 is,
00:40:28.52\00:40:31.76
"What does this passage
teach me about humanity?"
00:40:31.79\00:40:34.76
Rosemary: Chuckling...
00:40:34.80\00:40:36.13
Peter: And that's
often not good you know,
00:40:36.33\00:40:38.63
this is... it's talking
about the fallenness of man
00:40:38.67\00:40:41.17
or the need of man... or
the assumptions that man makes,
00:40:41.20\00:40:44.94
or the... the
selfish motivations
00:40:44.97\00:40:49.41
that sometimes we have for doing
or saying certain things...
00:40:49.44\00:40:52.31
or...
00:40:52.35\00:40:54.62
Rosemary: That means that there
are actually some good people?
00:40:54.65\00:40:56.22
Peter: Well, sometimes
depending on the story...
00:40:56.25\00:40:59.52
sometimes it's the reaction
of man which is positive
00:40:59.55\00:41:02.79
so, it's not always negative.
00:41:02.82\00:41:04.53
Okay, what does this
story teach me about God?
00:41:04.56\00:41:06.76
What does this story
teach me about humanity?
00:41:06.80\00:41:08.96
And, it might be...
00:41:09.00\00:41:11.17
it teaches me that
man can respond positively
00:41:11.20\00:41:14.50
to God's commands...
instructions... invitations...
00:41:14.54\00:41:17.84
whatever... you know,
00:41:17.87\00:41:19.21
so, I'm always
looking for those things
00:41:19.24\00:41:21.98
so, that's the second question.
00:41:22.01\00:41:23.35
First question: What
does this teach me about God?
00:41:23.38\00:41:25.31
Second question: What does
it teach me about humanity?
00:41:25.35\00:41:27.75
And then, thirdly, it's
that personal application.
00:41:27.78\00:41:30.12
What is this story telling
me that God wants me to know.
00:41:30.19\00:41:35.12
What does He want me to do?
00:41:35.16\00:41:36.49
What is he trying to teach
me today through this story?
00:41:36.52\00:41:40.43
And I find those
three questions very helpful
00:41:40.46\00:41:44.73
for reflecting
on the Bible passage
00:41:44.77\00:41:48.20
and gleaning
from it certain things
00:41:48.24\00:41:51.61
that I might otherwise miss
with the surface reading of it.
00:41:51.64\00:41:55.28
Sometimes, we want quantity...
00:41:55.31\00:41:58.35
we just want to read through
the Bible as quickly as we can
00:41:58.41\00:42:01.38
to get the whole big picture
00:42:01.45\00:42:03.08
but I think it's
really beneficial
00:42:03.12\00:42:06.99
to take the time in
daily devotionals...
00:42:07.02\00:42:10.03
that's at least the
approach I'm taking now,
00:42:10.06\00:42:13.03
is to look at each verse...
each passage of Scripture
00:42:13.06\00:42:17.37
and by asking those questions,
00:42:17.40\00:42:20.67
it helps you to dig
in a little bit more
00:42:20.70\00:42:22.84
rather than just
reading through and saying,
00:42:22.87\00:42:24.77
"Yup, that's another good story
00:42:24.81\00:42:26.14
and let's move on to
the next one, so... "
00:42:26.17\00:42:27.51
Rosemary: Hmmm... very good.
00:42:27.54\00:42:28.88
Peter: So, those are some ways
I think that can be helpful.
00:42:28.91\00:42:31.31
Of course, there are
other things you can buy
00:42:31.35\00:42:33.48
books with
topical studies in them...
00:42:33.52\00:42:35.92
you can get Bible-marking
resources and forth
00:42:35.98\00:42:38.15
where you're going
through topics of the Bible.
00:42:38.19\00:42:40.29
Rosemary: Which is very helpful.
Peter: Which is very helpful
00:42:40.36\00:42:41.69
particularly if you want to know
00:42:41.72\00:42:43.29
what does the Bible say
about the second coming of Jesus
00:42:43.32\00:42:46.19
or... or what have you.
00:42:46.23\00:42:47.70
Rosemary: What
happens when you die?
00:42:47.73\00:42:49.06
Peter: Or what
happens when you die
00:42:49.10\00:42:50.43
and I think not
only is it useful for you
00:42:50.47\00:42:53.13
but then it enables you
to be able to teach that
00:42:53.17\00:42:54.87
subject to somebody else.
00:42:54.90\00:42:56.24
John: That's
right. Peter: So, yeah.
00:42:56.27\00:42:57.74
Rosemary: Yeah, that's right.
00:42:57.77\00:42:59.11
John: One of the
important things too, Peter,
00:42:59.14\00:43:00.48
when you're
studying the Word of God...
00:43:00.51\00:43:01.84
when you open it... we're
told to ask for the Holy Spirit
00:43:01.88\00:43:04.51
to give us understanding
and enlightenment to His Word.
00:43:04.55\00:43:07.45
That's an important
part of studying the Bible
00:43:07.48\00:43:09.68
because if you just approach
it from reading it as a book
00:43:09.72\00:43:13.59
and think you're
going to get understanding,
00:43:13.62\00:43:15.19
I think you'll
be very disappointed
00:43:15.22\00:43:16.62
but the Holy Spirit is
there for you to call upon
00:43:16.66\00:43:21.10
to give you understanding.
00:43:21.13\00:43:22.46
Rosemary: Well, the
Bible... Bible says that
00:43:22.50\00:43:24.20
spiritual things are
spiritually discerned
00:43:24.23\00:43:26.13
and that we need
the Spirit of Truth
00:43:26.20\00:43:28.10
to teach us and
guide us into all truth.
00:43:28.14\00:43:30.01
Peter: I'm so glad you
raised that John because
00:43:30.04\00:43:32.54
what I'm really... I
suppose through this Program
00:43:32.57\00:43:35.04
I'm wanting to
encourage people to do
00:43:35.08\00:43:37.15
is to have an on-going
daily relationship with God...
00:43:37.18\00:43:40.52
daily devotions...
00:43:40.55\00:43:41.88
and it's so true that before I
open the Bible, I want to pray.
00:43:41.92\00:43:46.96
I want to ask God to
guide me because this...
00:43:47.02\00:43:50.19
the Bible talks
about God the Father...
00:43:50.23\00:43:53.43
the Son and the Holy Spirit...
00:43:53.46\00:43:54.80
and the Bible tells us that
the Holy Spirit wrote a book
00:43:54.83\00:43:58.53
and this was the book...
00:43:58.57\00:44:00.37
it's the Holy Spirit that
inspired the various writers
00:44:00.40\00:44:03.41
of the Bible to
write down what they wrote
00:44:03.47\00:44:05.67
and so, the beauty of the Bible
and the beauty of God is...
00:44:05.71\00:44:09.88
He's a living God...
He's not a dead idol...
00:44:09.91\00:44:11.95
He's a living God...
00:44:11.98\00:44:13.42
He's there to be talked to today
00:44:13.45\00:44:15.45
and there to be
listened to today
00:44:15.48\00:44:17.49
and so we can ask God,
00:44:17.52\00:44:19.32
"Please guide us
through Your Holy Spirit
00:44:19.35\00:44:21.79
as we open Your
Holy Word... teach us...
00:44:21.82\00:44:23.89
what you inspired
others to write...
00:44:23.93\00:44:25.96
help me to understand. "
00:44:25.99\00:44:27.93
Very... very vital.
00:44:27.96\00:44:30.60
Rosemary: There's
something you've said
00:44:30.63\00:44:33.34
that it's a
two-way communication...
00:44:33.40\00:44:36.07
Peter: Yes.
00:44:36.10\00:44:37.44
Rosemary: We pray to God
00:44:37.47\00:44:38.97
and He speaks to
us through His Word
00:44:39.01\00:44:41.08
which I think is very pretty...
it's a beautiful concept.
00:44:41.11\00:44:44.15
Peter: Yeah,
absolutely so you know,
00:44:44.18\00:44:46.11
I think one of my challenges
perhaps before I was a Christian
00:44:46.15\00:44:50.99
or even when I was coming
into the Christian faith is,
00:44:51.02\00:44:53.66
"Well, if God loves us so
much, you know, where is He?
00:44:53.69\00:44:56.16
You know, I don't
see Him with my eyes"
00:44:56.19\00:44:58.49
and the Bible says that...
00:44:58.53\00:44:59.86
I did a presentation not so
long ago called, "Invisible"
00:44:59.89\00:45:02.43
and talked about the
fact that God is invisible,
00:45:02.46\00:45:04.93
we face an invisible enemy
00:45:04.97\00:45:06.30
but we have an invisible friend
as well in God and the angels
00:45:06.33\00:45:09.90
and... and so, how
does God communicate with us
00:45:09.94\00:45:13.64
if He's not sitting here
like you and I, face to face?
00:45:13.68\00:45:17.01
We don't have that
privilege at the moment
00:45:17.05\00:45:19.48
because God is
dealing with the "sin" problem
00:45:19.51\00:45:21.78
and when that is over,
we will be brought back
00:45:21.82\00:45:24.05
into face to face contact
00:45:24.09\00:45:25.42
but if God were to
appear on the earth today
00:45:25.45\00:45:27.89
in His
unbridled, unveiled glory...
00:45:27.92\00:45:29.99
we'd all go ooof...
00:45:30.03\00:45:31.56
because of sin... the sin...
we'd be consumed in a moment
00:45:31.59\00:45:35.20
so, God is dealing
with the "sin" problem
00:45:35.23\00:45:37.17
so, it's actually
for our own benefit
00:45:37.20\00:45:39.03
that we're not in His
current unbridled presence
00:45:39.10\00:45:41.87
but, you're right... God
wants a relationship with us
00:45:41.90\00:45:46.51
and that
relationship is too full...
00:45:46.57\00:45:48.64
God has provided this incredible
technology called "Prayer"
00:45:48.68\00:45:55.15
that while we are
physically separated,
00:45:55.18\00:45:58.59
we can communicate
through this incredible ministry
00:45:58.65\00:46:02.52
that God has given us in prayer
00:46:02.56\00:46:03.89
that we can talk to
God anywhere we are...
00:46:03.93\00:46:06.39
any time, day or night...
00:46:06.43\00:46:08.30
and we can communicate
our wants... our needs...
00:46:08.36\00:46:12.17
our gratitude...
our praise to God
00:46:12.20\00:46:14.77
and then how does He talk to us?
00:46:14.80\00:46:17.31
Well, He talks to us
primarily through His Word.
00:46:17.34\00:46:20.28
Now, He can talk to
us through other people,
00:46:20.31\00:46:23.04
He can talk to us
through the natural world...
00:46:23.08\00:46:25.78
He can talk to us
through circumstance...
00:46:25.81\00:46:27.75
He can impress my mind... my
heart through the Holy Spirit
00:46:27.78\00:46:31.29
He can convince my...
convict my conscience, right?
00:46:31.32\00:46:36.39
He can communicate that way
00:46:36.42\00:46:38.19
and God has
spoken audibly to people,
00:46:38.23\00:46:40.73
we read about that in
the Bible but that's rare...
00:46:40.76\00:46:42.46
that doesn't often happen
00:46:42.50\00:46:44.70
and God has
provided His Word right here
00:46:44.73\00:46:48.17
that He can talk to us
00:46:48.20\00:46:49.67
so, we can talk to Him in prayer
He talks to us through His Word
00:46:49.70\00:46:52.77
and that's how we
build relationship with God.
00:46:52.81\00:46:55.18
Rosemary: Hmmm...
00:46:55.21\00:46:56.54
John: And I also see...
when we ask God for things,
00:46:56.58\00:46:59.58
when we have the answer...
we have the evidence...
00:46:59.61\00:47:02.78
that gives us a
reassurance that God is alive...
00:47:02.82\00:47:05.69
He is listening...
00:47:05.72\00:47:07.09
but sometimes we don't get
answered the way we want to
00:47:07.12\00:47:09.76
but the point is, where
our faith is strengthened
00:47:09.79\00:47:12.96
and we get to know God better
00:47:12.99\00:47:14.36
when He as a Father provides
for us the things we've asked.
00:47:14.40\00:47:17.63
Peter: Yes.
00:47:17.67\00:47:19.03
John: And so, it's very clear
that we have a God that loves us
00:47:19.07\00:47:21.57
it's just us that are
putting the boundary...
00:47:21.60\00:47:24.27
putting something
between Him and us...
00:47:24.31\00:47:26.78
it's our minds and our thinking
00:47:26.81\00:47:28.51
but our faith is
strengthened when God reveals
00:47:28.54\00:47:30.51
the answers to our prayers.
00:47:30.55\00:47:32.48
Rosemary: Now, there's
a verse here in John 14
00:47:32.51\00:47:35.35
and it's verse 6,
"And Jesus said... "
00:47:35.38\00:47:39.52
it says, "Jesus saith
unto him, I am the way,
00:47:39.55\00:47:44.19
the truth, and the life:
00:47:44.23\00:47:46.53
no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me... "
00:47:46.56\00:47:51.87
and so, Jesus is
saying, He's the truth
00:47:51.90\00:47:55.80
and He said that the...
the One that He would send...
00:47:55.84\00:47:57.87
the Spirit of truth
would lead us into all truth
00:47:57.91\00:47:59.97
so the Spirit of truth
is going to lead us into
00:48:00.04\00:48:02.64
understanding Jesus...
understanding who He is...
00:48:02.68\00:48:05.21
what He's about
and why He had to come.
00:48:05.25\00:48:08.78
Why He is so important...
00:48:08.85\00:48:10.82
What is this thing about Jesus?
00:48:10.89\00:48:12.35
The Holy Spirit who
is the Spirit of truth
00:48:12.39\00:48:15.39
will lead us into
understanding about Jesus
00:48:15.42\00:48:18.39
because Jesus is the truth.
00:48:18.43\00:48:20.60
Peter: That's
right... and I like...
00:48:20.63\00:48:22.66
when I read this
verse... when He says,
00:48:22.70\00:48:24.47
"I am the way, the
truth, and the life... "
00:48:24.50\00:48:26.20
you know the truth is not simply
a list of beliefs that we have,
00:48:26.23\00:48:32.14
it's not a list of things to do
00:48:32.17\00:48:34.14
or a list of...
of prayers to pray...
00:48:34.18\00:48:38.01
the truth is a person primarily
and that's the person of Jesus
00:48:38.08\00:48:42.98
and so, all the things
that we learn in the Bible
00:48:43.02\00:48:47.06
are little facets of Jesus...
00:48:47.09\00:48:49.22
they teach us something
more about the character of God
00:48:49.26\00:48:51.76
which is Jesus in the flesh...
00:48:51.79\00:48:53.33
you know, Jesus... He
is God in the flesh...
00:48:53.36\00:48:55.20
and the other thing...
00:48:55.23\00:48:58.63
in a couple of
chapters' time He'll say,
00:48:58.67\00:49:00.94
He's praying... Jesus
is praying to the Father,
00:49:00.97\00:49:03.94
He says, "Sanctify
them" that's the believers...
00:49:03.97\00:49:06.88
by Your Word...
00:49:06.94\00:49:08.88
Sanctify them by Your truth,
00:49:08.91\00:49:11.55
Thy Word is truth. "
00:49:11.58\00:49:12.91
In other words, set
believers apart by the truth
00:49:12.95\00:49:17.05
and what is the
truth? It's the Word.
00:49:17.09\00:49:18.99
And so, we have...
00:49:19.02\00:49:20.36
I think about
the world we live in
00:49:20.39\00:49:25.39
John and Rosemary
00:49:25.43\00:49:27.13
and there's a great deal
of confusion in the world
00:49:27.20\00:49:31.57
about so many things and
how reassuring it would be
00:49:31.60\00:49:35.97
to know what is the
truth of these matters
00:49:36.00\00:49:38.41
and what is the truth
about how we should respond
00:49:38.44\00:49:43.88
to the world around us...
00:49:43.91\00:49:45.28
how we should
respond to each other...
00:49:45.31\00:49:46.82
how we should relate to God.
00:49:46.85\00:49:49.22
All that is truth and
Jesus, of course, is the truth
00:49:49.25\00:49:53.36
but the things that
He's revealed in His Word
00:49:53.39\00:49:55.26
reveal those truths that
help us to not be confused,
00:49:55.29\00:49:58.93
it... you know, we
talked at the beginning
00:49:58.96\00:50:01.66
about coming out of
darkness and into the light,
00:50:01.70\00:50:03.87
and that's really...
those metaphors are really
00:50:03.90\00:50:06.00
the darkness of confusion...
the light of God's truth
00:50:06.03\00:50:10.21
and that's so valuable to us.
00:50:10.24\00:50:12.31
John: In John chapter 5
verse 39, the Bible says,
00:50:12.34\00:50:15.14
"Search the scriptures;
00:50:15.18\00:50:16.64
for in them ye think
ye have eternal life:
00:50:16.68\00:50:19.41
and they are they
which testify of me. "
00:50:19.45\00:50:22.12
So, Jesus really is at
the center of the Word of God.
00:50:22.15\00:50:25.92
He is the truth...
00:50:25.95\00:50:27.29
He's the One that's
going to reveal to you
00:50:27.32\00:50:29.39
about eternal life...
00:50:29.42\00:50:30.93
that's what we
are privileged to know
00:50:30.96\00:50:34.30
and to experience.
00:50:34.33\00:50:35.66
Rosemary: I had a
number of people say,
00:50:35.70\00:50:38.43
"What is truth to
you is truth to you
00:50:38.47\00:50:41.20
and what is truth
to me is truth to me. "
00:50:41.24\00:50:43.91
So, in other words,
everybody can pick and choose
00:50:43.94\00:50:46.31
what they want to have for truth
00:50:46.34\00:50:47.78
and it doesn't work that way
00:50:47.81\00:50:50.48
because what
might be truth for you
00:50:50.55\00:50:52.15
might trample on
what truth is for me
00:50:52.18\00:50:54.82
and it's
comforting to me to know
00:50:54.85\00:50:57.45
God actually has
absolute truth on every subject.
00:50:57.49\00:51:01.92
There's nothing
that He doesn't cover...
00:51:01.96\00:51:04.63
that there is actually
absolute truth on everything
00:51:04.66\00:51:09.80
and this is what
reveals absolute truth to us,
00:51:09.83\00:51:12.90
it doesn't have to be
what we think it might be
00:51:12.93\00:51:16.00
or what we would
prefer it to be...
00:51:16.04\00:51:17.91
there is truth.
00:51:17.94\00:51:19.27
Peter: Yeah, then I
think that is very important
00:51:19.31\00:51:21.31
in the era that we're living,
00:51:21.34\00:51:22.68
it's called
relative truth isn't it,
00:51:22.71\00:51:25.21
that you've got your
truth and I've got my truth
00:51:25.25\00:51:27.22
and we... we... kind of...
00:51:27.25\00:51:28.98
Rosemary: Pluralism.
00:51:29.02\00:51:30.39
Peter: Yeah, it's
a pluralistic notion
00:51:30.42\00:51:32.15
and, of course, what
that actually does is
00:51:32.22\00:51:34.36
destroy the notion of truth
00:51:34.39\00:51:35.76
because if truth can be
anything to anyone at any time,
00:51:35.79\00:51:40.06
and is ever changing depending
on which room you are in
00:51:40.10\00:51:43.10
or which chair
you're sitting in or...
00:51:43.13\00:51:44.53
Rosemary: Or whether you
burnt your toast that morning.
00:51:44.57\00:51:46.27
Peter: Yeah, so, it kind of...
00:51:46.30\00:51:49.10
it destroys the very meaning
of the word "truth" really,
00:51:49.14\00:51:53.58
because what that means
is truth can be anything
00:51:53.61\00:51:56.54
and if it can be
anything, then it's...
00:51:56.58\00:51:57.91
Rosemary: Not truth.
00:51:57.95\00:51:59.28
Peter: Not
anything at all, really.
00:51:59.31\00:52:00.95
Rosemary: Actually,
truth becomes a lie.
00:52:00.98\00:52:02.32
Peter: Yeah, truth... it
becomes a deception really,
00:52:02.35\00:52:05.79
I suppose and
what it's saying here
00:52:05.82\00:52:08.32
in the fact that Jesus has said,
00:52:08.36\00:52:11.59
"I am the way, the
truth, and the life... "
00:52:11.63\00:52:14.00
in this verse here in
5:39, that you read John,
00:52:14.03\00:52:16.33
it says, "For in them ye
think ye have eternal life:
00:52:16.36\00:52:18.53
and these are they
which testify of me. "
00:52:18.57\00:52:20.27
When Jesus spoke those words,
only the Old Testament existed
00:52:20.30\00:52:25.64
and this is significant because
there are a number of places
00:52:25.67\00:52:29.41
and we won't go
to them all today
00:52:29.44\00:52:31.15
but there are a number of
places in the New Testament
00:52:31.18\00:52:32.98
where Jesus just
affirms the Old Testament
00:52:33.01\00:52:35.08
over and over again
00:52:35.12\00:52:36.45
and here He's saying to
the religious authorities,
00:52:36.48\00:52:39.69
"You're searching the Scriptures
00:52:39.72\00:52:42.32
but they're
actually pointing to Me. "
00:52:42.36\00:52:44.56
That's really what He's saying
00:52:44.59\00:52:46.80
and so, He's saying
that's the Old Testament,
00:52:46.83\00:52:49.36
now, of course the New
Testament points to Jesus too.
00:52:49.40\00:52:51.67
But for many Christians...
for some Christian churches,
00:52:51.70\00:52:56.34
they'll only
provide New Testaments
00:52:56.37\00:52:58.27
and they're missing the value
00:52:58.31\00:53:01.14
of what Jesus is trying
to teach us in this verse...
00:53:01.18\00:53:04.05
is that the whole
of the Old Testament
00:53:04.08\00:53:06.11
is talking about
Him... it's pointing to Him.
00:53:06.15\00:53:09.15
In the context of the stories...
00:53:09.18\00:53:11.69
there are so many stories in
the Bible in the Old Testament
00:53:11.72\00:53:15.19
that in and of
themselves they're great stories
00:53:15.22\00:53:18.93
about how God
interacts with people
00:53:18.96\00:53:20.56
but they're
also... tells us something
00:53:20.60\00:53:23.47
about the story
of Jesus as well.
00:53:23.50\00:53:25.07
John: And I urge you to
take a break there for a moment
00:53:25.10\00:53:26.94
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00:53:26.97\00:53:30.04
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00:53:30.07\00:53:33.27
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00:53:40.45\00:53:42.65
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00:54:38.84\00:54:41.91
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00:54:41.94\00:54:43.61
Pause...
00:54:43.65\00:54:47.22
I hope you've got
all those details down.
00:54:47.25\00:54:49.18
We are talking
with Pastor Peter Watts
00:54:49.22\00:54:51.12
and we learnt a
little bit about his journey
00:54:51.15\00:54:54.39
as becoming a Christian,
mine's not too much different
00:54:54.42\00:54:57.23
but we want you to
turn to the Word of God
00:54:57.26\00:54:59.76
because that's where
you will find the answers...
00:54:59.79\00:55:02.63
that's where you will
find the absolute truth
00:55:02.66\00:55:05.47
for our existence
and where we're going.
00:55:05.50\00:55:08.44
Now, Peter, you
have a thought in closing
00:55:08.47\00:55:11.37
on a text and that's Isaiah...
00:55:11.41\00:55:13.21
Rosemary: That's Isaiah 8:20,
00:55:13.24\00:55:14.98
I'm going to
read it for you, okay,
00:55:15.04\00:55:16.38
I really like this
verse, it's so important...
00:55:16.41\00:55:18.85
"To the law and
to the testimony!
00:55:18.88\00:55:20.78
If they speak not
according to this word,
00:55:20.82\00:55:23.39
that is because there
is no light in them. "
00:55:23.42\00:55:25.89
So, unpack that for the
people who are watching, please.
00:55:25.95\00:55:30.09
Peter: Okay, yeah, so, it says,
00:55:30.13\00:55:31.46
"To the law and
to the testimony... "
00:55:31.49\00:55:33.50
and what that
really is referring to
00:55:33.53\00:55:35.50
is the Law of Moses
00:55:35.53\00:55:36.87
which is the first
five books of the Bible
00:55:36.90\00:55:38.47
and then the testimony would be
the testimony of the prophets...
00:55:38.50\00:55:41.77
what the prophets have said
00:55:41.80\00:55:43.14
that God has
inspired them to say,
00:55:43.17\00:55:44.94
of course Isaiah
was a prophet himself.
00:55:44.97\00:55:46.57
But... so it's
talking about the Word of God
00:55:46.61\00:55:50.35
as it existed to that time...
00:55:50.38\00:55:52.28
talking about the Word of God...
00:55:52.31\00:55:53.88
"To the law and
to the testimony,
00:55:53.92\00:55:55.42
if they do not speak
according to this word,
00:55:55.45\00:55:57.49
it is because there
is no light in them. "
00:55:57.55\00:55:59.22
Rosemary: Hmmm...
00:55:59.25\00:56:00.59
Peter: I think sometimes we are
tempted to go to the Word of God
00:56:00.62\00:56:03.12
and we will read
it and we will say,
00:56:03.16\00:56:04.79
"I really like that section,
I think that... you know...
00:56:04.83\00:56:07.60
I really enjoy the promises
that God has given me there... "
00:56:07.63\00:56:10.73
but then we come to another
section that we don't agree with
00:56:10.77\00:56:13.84
and we might say, "Well,
that's all they knew back then"
00:56:13.87\00:56:17.27
or "That was their perspective
for that period of time... "
00:56:17.31\00:56:20.64
Rosemary: Or we
heard someone say,
00:56:20.68\00:56:22.01
"Well, of course we all
know that Jonah is not real... "
00:56:22.04\00:56:23.91
Peter: Yeah, yeah,
yeah... that's right.
00:56:23.95\00:56:25.41
Rosemary: Jesus quoted
from Jonah as a real person.
00:56:25.45\00:56:26.98
Peter: Exactly, and
I think one of the...
00:56:27.02\00:56:28.52
probably the classics in regard
to this would be Creation,
00:56:28.55\00:56:31.95
right?
00:56:31.99\00:56:33.32
So, the Bible says,
"God created in six days... "
00:56:33.36\00:56:36.93
the world generally believes
in million and billions of years
00:56:36.96\00:56:41.03
and that's what I believed as...
00:56:41.06\00:56:42.66
as someone who
believed in Evolution
00:56:42.70\00:56:44.27
and so, the question really is:
00:56:44.30\00:56:46.40
"How am I going to
approach the Bible?
00:56:46.43\00:56:50.57
Is it the Word of God to me
00:56:50.61\00:56:52.54
or is it a book
that I can decide
00:56:52.57\00:56:56.18
which bits are valid
and which bits are not?"
00:56:56.21\00:56:58.05
in terms of, you
know, if I were to say that
00:56:58.08\00:57:04.45
I might take a Scientist's
view more than the Bible's view.
00:57:04.49\00:57:09.89
This book has authority...
00:57:09.92\00:57:11.79
it was written by the
Author of the universe...
00:57:11.83\00:57:13.76
you know, the
Author of the universe
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and to come into this
space that I'm recognizing
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that everything that I
understand needs to come into...
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be subject to the
authority of the Word of God.
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Rosemary: Very good.
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John: You know, Pete, we've
been really glad to have you
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on the Program... but we
really didn't cover everything
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that we wanted to cover,
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we're just
scratching the surface
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but we would like to
encourage you... all of you...
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to dig into the Word of God,
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especially at this
time in this world's history
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and we look forward
to seeing you next time.
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May God richly
bless you... until then.
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