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This is 3ABN Now...
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with John and
Rosemary Malkiewycz.
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Rosemary: Hello, and
welcome to today's Program,
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I'm really excited about what
we're going to talk about today.
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John: It is a
special Program isn't it?
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Rosemary: It is... we
have a testimony for you today
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which I know
you're going to enjoy
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and if you are wondering
what to do about your health,
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you will enjoy
today's Program too.
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We have a young person...
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someone that we
used to know in Bangkok
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when she was 14 years old
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and she has breezed
into our lives again
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and it's been such a joy
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and we have Kathlyn
Wolpin... welcome Kathlyn.
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Kathlyn: Thank you so much,
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it's so good to see you
guys after all these years.
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Rosemary: Yes, and it's
really good to have you here...
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you have a testimony that I...
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I know people are
going to enjoy hearing
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and people are going to get
a lot of information out of it
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especially young people who may
even be going through struggles
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but parents will
appreciate it as well.
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John: Kathlyn's
special too because...
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you know, in fact, most...
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a lot of people go
out into the mission field
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and they live
their lives there...
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the families have children...
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parents have children and...
and they live their life there
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we often wonder, "How do
the kids take all of this
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and what impact does
it make in their lives?"
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And Kathlyn is a
missionary kid and...
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and so, you've spent most of
your life in the mission field,
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would that be right?
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Kathlyn:
Absolutely, so six years
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my parents were
missionaries in Hong Kong
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at Hong Kong Adventist Hospital
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and then 17 years
at Mission Hospital
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which is where
we met your family
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in Bangkok... in
Bangkok, Thailand
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yeah, so, definitely
I'm a third-culture kid...
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I lived in Thailand with
my parents for five years
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and then I went to
boarding school in the States
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and finished Academy and college
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at Seventh-day
Adventist Institutions
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so, I definitely feel
like for most of my life,
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I was in an... in a
Seventh-day Adventist bubble...
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learned the health
message and then kind of thought
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that the whole world
was given this gift too...
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left... totally kind of
turned my back on the faith...
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turned my back on
the health message...
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went into the world and realized
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that we have
something very special
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and that health is the greatest
wealth that any of us can have
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so, it's kind of my
mission now is to share that.
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Rosemary: And dad
was right all along.
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Kathlyn: Yes, my
dad who was into health
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ever since I was young...
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he started
juicing carrots and apples
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when it wasn't cool to do so...
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like now,
Hollywood's doing it...
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everyone is doing
it... it's like the cool...
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like athletes are doing it.
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Rosemary: Dad is cool.
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Kathlyn: My dad's so
cool but when we were younger,
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I thought he was
trying to ruin our lives,
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because he started taking
different things out of the home
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when...
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John: You said
that quick, Kathlyn,
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you said, "tried
to ruin your lives"
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and that's how young
people perceive things...
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you know, really, mom and dad
only have one goal in their life
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is to see you succeed
and be healthy and well.
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Kathlyn: Yeah, yeah yeah.
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John: So, you know,
but we... we kind of think
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that chocolates and
all those other things...
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"Hey, we're
missing out on those... "
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Kathlyn: Yeah.
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Rosemary:
Let's... let's find out
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what the
chocolates are in the Bible.
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John: Yeah,
you've chosen a text...
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Rosemary:
You've got two texts...
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John: Two texts... and one
is found in Jeremiah chapter 30
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and verse 17 and
it goes like this,
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it says, "For I will
restore health unto thee,
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and I will heal thee of
thy wounds, saith the LORD... "
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now, you obviously chose
that for a specific reason,
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tell us a little bit
about how it applies to you.
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Kathlyn: Well, for
the past couple of years,
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I've been struggling
with digestive issues
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after I had Adult Acne
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which we'll get
into a little bit later
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and then, I was put
on antibiotics for a year
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and I had got Candida and
a plethora of other issues
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and so, I went
on a path of healing
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and there is this
whole health movement
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that is trying to take Jesus out
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and I started to realize
that Jesus is the health message
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and so, I started to find
different verses in the Bible
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and kind of insert my
name... and that verse...
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the reason why I
chose it is because
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I would dwell on
that when I was in pain
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or trying to figure out
what was wrong with me...
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I would just... I
would put my name there.
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John: I like that
where you would put your name
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and it says, "For
Kathlyn will restore health...
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Rosemary: "I will
restore health unto Kathlyn. "
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John: "And I will
heal thee of thy wounds. "
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Kathleen: Yeah.
John: So, it really is...
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you need to put your
name in there sometimes.
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Kathlyn: Yeah... yeah.
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Rosemary: Well, then,
I've got another verse
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and it's Psalm 13 verse
6, I'll read it two ways...
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okay, first of
all, how it says here,
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"I will sing unto the Lord,
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because He hath dealt
bountifully with me. "
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But then, "Kathleen
will sing unto the Lord,
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because He hath dealt
bountifully with her. "
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Kathlyn: Yeah, I
just feel like that verse
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is my gratitude to God
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because in my mid-20s,
I kind of was... like...
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"Oh, God, why
this have to happen?"
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and "Why
couldn't I've gone to... "
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"Why couldn't my life
been this way or that way?"
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and "Why did these health
issues have to happen to me?"
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And then, I realized
how good He was to me
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and how... how blessed I was
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to have been born in
the family I was born in
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and raised in the
faith I was raised in.
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So, it's kind of
my song of gratitude.
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Rosemary: Yeah,
that's... that's beautiful.
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You know, when we...
we went to Bangkok in 2001
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and your family was
there, what was your dad doing?
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My dad was the VP for
Finance, at Mission Hospital...
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and yeah... my family...
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John: What about your
mom... what was she doing?
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Kathlyn: My mom... she did...
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she was the
Hostess for the hospital
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for all the guest rooms and...
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of course, you know, every
Sabbath she was the main cook
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for all the potlucks...
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so, my mom is Filipino
and surprise, surprise...
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Filipinos love
to eat and love food
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and love to cook...
Rosemary: And they love Karaoke.
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Kathlyn: And they
love Karaoke yes...
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my mom and I just
flew here to Australia...
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it was my first time and went
for a wedding in Tasmania...
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believe it or not...
our friend from church
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at Mission
Hospital in Thailand...
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just got married in Tasmania...
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you guys know Leanne...
she married a Tasmanian man
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and so we... we went
to her wedding in Tasmania
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and you'd better believe our
Karaoke machine came with us.
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All: Laughter...
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Kathlyn: Yes...
my mom was like...
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we were like,
"Passport" check...
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"Karaoke machine" check...
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Rosemary: Your tickets... check.
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Kathlyn: Yeah, for
me it was also, like,
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"digestive enzymes... " check
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like, all of
my... like, health stuff
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but for my mom, it
was the Karaoke... yeah.
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All: Laughter.
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John: So, where were you born?
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Kathlyn: I was born
in the Philippines...
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Manila, Philippines...
I never lived there
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my parents were actually living
in Saudi Arabia at the time
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and they were working at...
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Rosemary: And
that's where they met.
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Kathlyn: They met...
yeah... and they were working
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at King Fahad
Hospital and when I was...
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when I was about to be born,
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my mom and dad went
to the Philippines...
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so, I was there
for about a month
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but I have a...
I'm US Citizen... so...
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I... I don't have that...
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Rosemary: And so, did they
go back to the Philippines then
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or is that when
you went to Hong Kong?
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Kathlyn: Then they
went back to Saudi Arabia
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and then, I think they
went to Florida for a year
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and then went to
Hong Kong for six years.
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Rosemary: Hmmm...
hmmm... John: Hmmm...
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Rosemary: And then to Bangkok?
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Kathlyn: And then,
to Washington State
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which is kind of
our home base in America
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and that's where my
dad's relatives live
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and then... and
then to Thailand, yeah.
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Rosemary: And your mom...
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we were talking about
your mom and dad just before
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and what they were doing,
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your mom was also the
Dean of the Nursing Students.
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Kathlyn: Oh
that's... yes... true...
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my mom wore a lot of hats...
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yeah... sorry mom...
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Rosemary: I had
to take over for her
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when she went away for a bit.
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Kathlyn: Oh... okay... okay, so
that's how you remember, yeah,
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I do remember that...
for the nursing students,
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hmmm... hmmm.
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Rosemary: Yes,
inspecting their rooms every day
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and making sure they
kept everything clean and tidy
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et cetera, et cetera,
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I had to go and
do that inspection.
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Kathlyn: Yes, and you
kind of had to be the bad cop
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sometimes, right?
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Rosemary: Yes.
Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm...
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John: So, when you were 14, you
left your mom and dad's shelter
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is that right?
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Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm...
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John: And where did you go?
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Kathlyn: I went to the
States and I finished...
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I did my first
year of High School
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at Bangkok
Adventist Church School
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and then, there were a
number grades left to continue
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which was actually a blessing.
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John: So, you had... most
missionary kids have to leave
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and go somewhere to get
their education, don't they?
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Kathlyn: Exactly and so, I
ended up going to this Camp
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called: Young Disciple Camp
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and it was... when we were
young my dad always ordered us
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those: Young Disciple...
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Rosemary: Yes, we had
them too that was very good.
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Kathlyn: And you
could have like, Pen Pals,
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you know in the back,
like, you meet friends, and so,
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that's probably why I
still write letters to this day,
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literally, my friends are
like, "You're the only person
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who still write letters... "
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like, I love writing letters...
that's probably why...
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Young
Disciple... I went to YD Camp
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and then, I was 14...
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and I already knew that
I was looking for a school
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and... anyway, I
ended up graduating
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from Fountainview Academy
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which is in British Columbia,
Canada... very beautiful
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John: So you were
singing and playing instruments?
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Rosemary: They are the
ones who do the videos... music.
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Kathlyn: Yeah, yeah,
if you just go on YouTube,
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you'll find tons of their...
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Rosemary: They've been on
3ABN. Kathlyn: Yes, of course.
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John: So, were you singing
or were you playing instruments?
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Did you learn to
play an instrument?
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Kathlyn: Due to my
father's influence,
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I picked up the violin
and I hate telling people that
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because I don't play anymore
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but I heard that the
orchestra... that they travelled
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so, I wanted to
travel... so, I... you know...
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but I loved Fountainview,
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they have a large
organic carrot field
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which is really funny with
the background that I come from
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because my dad was making
carrot juice and apple juice
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and then, all of a
sudden, I go to a High School
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where they have organic carrots
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and it's like the
largest organic field, I think,
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in British Columbia.
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John: Did he make you
drink the carrot juice and...
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and the rest when
you were with him or...?
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Kathlyn: Well, when we
were younger, he just said,
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"This is good for
you... " and you know what?
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and deep down
inside I knew it was too
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and when we were young,
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we weren't allowed to drink
caffeinated soda pops and stuff
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and we would sneak
it behind my dad's back
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because all our
friends were doing it,
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we thought it was cool
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and so, I remember
drinking Coca Cola and Pepsi
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but deep down
inside, like, I knew
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that the carrot and
apple juice was good for me
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so, it's not like
he had to force us
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but we would just like,
roll our eyes and then drink it
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but then we go to Fountainview
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and I'm literally... we
had to work four hours a day
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to help pay our school bills.
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John: Now you're
growing the carrots.
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Kathlyn: Yeah, now
I'm like, spending hours
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weeding the carrot fields
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and like... like
sorting carrots and...
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Rosemary: Really
getting to hate carrots
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because you have to weed.
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Kathlyn: But, you know,
some of my best years of my life
00:10:03.83\00:10:06.00
were at Fountainview
00:10:06.03\00:10:07.37
and we, like I said, we
had to work four hours a day
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all the students so,
you got to know your peers
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not just in the school
setting but in a work setting
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and yeah... for Christmas,
I would go home to Thailand
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and I would bring a
bag of organic carrots
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from Canada to Thailand...
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John: For your dad.
Kathlyn: For Christmas...
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like, the best Christmas
gift ever... like... why not?
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Rosemary: I... I... in
your little bio you sent me
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I remember there
was a story about pizza.
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Kathlyn: Oh, yes.
00:10:31.89\00:10:34.06
Rosemary: Yes, just
tell everybody about pizza.
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Kathlyn: So, we'd have friends
over and we'd order pizza.
00:10:36.60\00:10:38.53
Rosemary: This is in Bangkok?
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Kathlyn: This is when
we were in Hong Kong...
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my dad started us
early with the health stuff
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and all of a sudden one night
he ordered pizza with no cheese
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and we all just
looked at him like,
00:10:46.81\00:10:48.44
"You are officially
ruining our lives... "
00:10:48.48\00:10:50.15
like, "No one's ever going to
come to our parties anymore... "
00:10:50.18\00:10:52.61
but he was like, "Oh no... "
00:10:52.65\00:10:54.32
he's like, "I've
been reading on it...
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up on it... and cheese is
causing acne, it's causing... "
00:10:55.72\00:10:58.22
Rosemary: Heart disease.
00:10:58.25\00:11:00.56
Kathlyn: Yeah, all
these kinds of health issues
00:11:00.59\00:11:02.49
and as a young person,
you don't really understand
00:11:02.52\00:11:04.39
and so... yeah.
00:11:04.43\00:11:06.06
John: Well, you
don't want to do really
00:11:06.09\00:11:07.43
because sometimes you're going
to spoil what you're doing.
00:11:07.46\00:11:09.06
Kathlyn: And you know,
back then there weren't as many
00:11:09.10\00:11:10.73
cheese alternatives and now,
00:11:10.77\00:11:12.83
because I had acne and I
struggled with Adult Acne
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in order to heal that...
I had to stop eating cheese
00:11:15.64\00:11:18.87
and I've found so many
wonderful health alternatives...
00:11:18.91\00:11:22.01
there's cashew cheese...
there's nutritional yeast...
00:11:22.04\00:11:25.11
you can do a
carrot... like a carrot...
00:11:25.18\00:11:28.72
like nutritional yeast
flax-seed-oil cheese...
00:11:28.75\00:11:31.32
I mean, but I love
nutritional yeast...
00:11:31.35\00:11:33.05
that's you know,
and... Rosemary: Yeah.
00:11:33.09\00:11:34.49
Kathlyn: There's
just so many different...
00:11:34.52\00:11:35.89
John: Things.
Kathlyn: Yeah... yeah...
00:11:35.92\00:11:37.36
Rosemary: Yeah, I'm...
I like the cheese story
00:11:37.39\00:11:39.69
because I didn't
have a trouble...
00:11:39.73\00:11:41.26
any trouble at
all giving up cheese.
00:11:41.30\00:11:42.63
Kathlyn: Okay.
00:11:42.66\00:11:44.00
Rosemary: And I
enjoy pizza without cheese.
00:11:44.03\00:11:45.67
Kathlyn: Yeah... yeah.
00:11:45.73\00:11:47.07
Rosemary: It's...
it's perfectly good.
00:11:47.10\00:11:49.00
Kathlyn: Yeah and you
just put on a ton of veggies
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and... I mean... yeah...
00:11:51.31\00:11:53.21
cheese is causing a
lot of problems and...
00:11:53.24\00:11:55.58
Rosemary: So, your dad is
trying to get the family...
00:11:55.61\00:11:58.45
well, actually, let
me... let me tell everybody
00:11:58.48\00:12:01.78
Kathlyn's dad...
Bruce... he's six foot four
00:12:01.82\00:12:05.05
Kathlyn: Six foot six.
00:12:05.09\00:12:06.42
Rosemary: Six foot six... I
thought he was six foot four,
00:12:06.45\00:12:08.19
Six foot six... he's
taller than I remember.
00:12:08.22\00:12:10.49
He was actually a Jew
who converted to Christianity
00:12:10.53\00:12:15.83
and Seventh-day
Adventist beliefs.
00:12:15.86\00:12:18.60
Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm... yes.
00:12:18.63\00:12:20.07
Rosemary: And so, he's
learning the health message.
00:12:20.10\00:12:21.70
Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:12:21.74\00:12:23.81
Rosemary: And he's
trying to get your family
00:12:23.84\00:12:25.87
to do all the right things
00:12:25.91\00:12:27.38
but you're not appreciating
it as a young person.
00:12:27.41\00:12:30.18
Kathlyn: No... yeah... well.
00:12:30.21\00:12:31.55
Rosemary: And with your friends,
you're doing all the things
00:12:31.58\00:12:33.82
your dad doesn't
know that you're doing.
00:12:33.85\00:12:35.95
Kathlyn: Yeah, well, you
know Bangkok... Thailand...
00:12:35.98\00:12:37.95
grew up in the city
00:12:37.99\00:12:40.79
and there's all
that street food...
00:12:40.82\00:12:42.59
all that meat-street food and...
00:12:42.62\00:12:44.33
and... you know, he
used to talk about MSG
00:12:44.36\00:12:46.06
and I didn't understand it then
00:12:46.09\00:12:47.43
but I became
addicted to street food
00:12:47.46\00:12:49.30
because they were
putting, like, the noodles and
00:12:49.33\00:12:51.53
you know, I was eating
like meat off the street
00:12:51.57\00:12:53.74
Rosemary: Off the street?
00:12:53.77\00:12:55.27
Kathlyn: Off the
street vendors yeah.
00:12:55.30\00:12:59.91
John: We knew... we knew it.
00:12:59.94\00:13:01.28
Kathlyn: Yeah and, you
know, I just think that
00:13:01.31\00:13:04.01
because all my
friends were eating it
00:13:04.05\00:13:07.25
and they made, you know,
kind of fun of vegetarians...
00:13:07.28\00:13:08.82
I didn't understand
00:13:08.88\00:13:10.22
but my dad would then
take us on all these trips...
00:13:10.25\00:13:12.72
we traveled a lot
00:13:12.75\00:13:14.09
and he would take us to
all these like, institutions
00:13:14.12\00:13:16.93
with like, vegan food
and... and vegetarian food
00:13:16.96\00:13:19.86
and so, I was exposed to it
00:13:19.89\00:13:21.23
and I did
appreciate it... like...
00:13:21.26\00:13:22.60
you know, I tell you in my bio
I was, like, off rolling my eyes
00:13:22.63\00:13:25.83
but deep down inside, I
knew it was special, you know,
00:13:25.87\00:13:27.80
and I liked... I liked that...
I kind of was exposed to that.
00:13:27.84\00:13:31.74
John: Hmmm...
00:13:31.77\00:13:33.11
Rosemary: Yeah
and at Fountainview
00:13:33.14\00:13:34.98
what did they have there
00:13:35.04\00:13:36.38
apart from the
carrots and the music?
00:13:36.41\00:13:38.31
Kathlyn: Yeah... it's a...
I worked in the cafeteria too
00:13:38.35\00:13:40.52
and we had a vegan cafeteria
00:13:40.55\00:13:42.68
and we had vegan pizza...
00:13:42.72\00:13:44.62
we had vegan stir fry...
00:13:44.65\00:13:46.52
for breakfast, we had
toast... cereal... crisp...
00:13:46.55\00:13:50.46
pancakes... waffles... I mean...
00:13:50.49\00:13:52.23
look... you go on the internet,
you can veganize anything...
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you can pretty much
veganize anything, you know.
00:13:55.56\00:13:58.07
Rosemary: But
you didn't know that.
00:13:58.10\00:13:59.63
Kathlyn: Well, I knew it, I
mean, I just was so young...
00:13:59.67\00:14:02.67
I mean, I was just like,
00:14:02.70\00:14:04.04
"Where's that
Snickers bar in my dorm room?"
00:14:04.07\00:14:05.61
You know, I just...
00:14:05.64\00:14:06.98
I just wanted to go to my
dorm room and eat junk food
00:14:07.01\00:14:09.34
because I was a
teenager and I was healthy
00:14:09.38\00:14:11.15
and I didn't have acne
and I was young and fit,
00:14:11.18\00:14:13.38
you know, it's...
it's... it's kind of...
00:14:13.42\00:14:14.75
we'll probably get to that...
00:14:14.78\00:14:16.18
it's when you start to
lose your health and your energy
00:14:16.25\00:14:19.39
health really is
your greatest wealth
00:14:19.42\00:14:21.99
and when you start to
lose that, nothing else matters
00:14:22.02\00:14:24.16
and you will do
anything... people...
00:14:24.19\00:14:26.09
you know, today
people who are desperate...
00:14:26.16\00:14:27.50
people who are sick are
desperate to get healthy
00:14:27.53\00:14:29.36
and I understand that because
I was desperate to get healthy.
00:14:29.40\00:14:31.80
I was 25 when all my
health issues started.
00:14:31.83\00:14:34.90
John: That's too young.
00:14:34.94\00:14:36.94
Kathlyn: That's too
young and it's not normal...
00:14:36.97\00:14:38.31
it's not right
and I... I just said,
00:14:38.34\00:14:40.04
"I was raised
better than this... "
00:14:40.08\00:14:41.84
than to go down a path
where I'm abusing my body
00:14:41.88\00:14:47.08
with bad food...
alcohol... I'm not...
00:14:47.12\00:14:51.19
I said, "I was raised
better than this... " so...
00:14:51.25\00:14:53.49
that's when I kind
of turned my life around
00:14:53.52\00:14:55.72
and I saw a documentary called,
"Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead"
00:14:55.76\00:14:58.19
which we'll probably get
to... which an Aussie man...
00:14:58.23\00:15:00.66
Joe Cross made the
film and I'm in Australia,
00:15:00.70\00:15:03.26
so, Joe Cross, if
you ever watch this...
00:15:03.30\00:15:05.23
you know, shout out...
00:15:05.27\00:15:06.60
but... yeah...
"Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead"
00:15:06.63\00:15:08.34
was kind of that
turning point where I was like,
00:15:08.37\00:15:11.07
"Oh, my dad wasn't crazy... "
00:15:11.14\00:15:13.17
Rosemary: Yeah. John: Hmmm.
00:15:13.21\00:15:14.54
Rosemary: Before we get to that,
00:15:14.58\00:15:15.91
you had some
interesting experiences
00:15:15.94\00:15:18.55
after finishing at Fountainview,
00:15:18.58\00:15:20.55
the different...
you went to Southern...
00:15:20.58\00:15:23.85
you went to
Pacific Union College...
00:15:23.89\00:15:27.09
you went... what
were you studying there?
00:15:27.12\00:15:30.39
Kathlyn: Okay, so,
yeah, I left Fountainview
00:15:30.43\00:15:33.63
and most of my
friends and my family
00:15:33.70\00:15:35.66
were Southern people
00:15:35.70\00:15:37.03
so, I went to
Southern... my freshman year...
00:15:37.07\00:15:38.57
I actually went to Newbold
College my sophomore year
00:15:38.60\00:15:41.24
and then... I...
that was in England
00:15:41.27\00:15:43.17
and I finished up at Pacific
Union College in California
00:15:43.20\00:15:45.71
so, you know how
people go island hopping...
00:15:45.77\00:15:47.48
I went college hopping, yeah,
00:15:47.51\00:15:49.44
and I pretty much went
from a very conservative college
00:15:49.48\00:15:54.35
to very... kind of... I
don't... I don't know...
00:15:54.38\00:15:56.89
I don't want to
like, offend any colleges
00:15:56.92\00:15:58.89
but to a more liberal
college to a kind of middle...
00:15:58.95\00:16:01.36
so, I just kind of felt
like I had experienced it all
00:16:01.39\00:16:03.56
and I had kind of grown
up in an Adventist bubble
00:16:03.59\00:16:06.49
and, yeah, you know like
most Adventist young people,
00:16:06.53\00:16:09.40
when you get to college,
you kind of go little wild
00:16:09.43\00:16:12.57
and you want to just live
and party like the world does
00:16:12.60\00:16:15.70
and so, I started to
party like a rock star
00:16:15.74\00:16:17.91
because, you
know, I was in college
00:16:17.94\00:16:20.74
and looking back,
I see what harm I did
00:16:20.78\00:16:23.51
to just not my body but my soul
00:16:23.55\00:16:25.45
and I've been
five years sober now
00:16:25.48\00:16:27.38
and I haven't had any alcohol
00:16:27.42\00:16:28.78
and to tell you the
truth, a lot of my friends
00:16:28.82\00:16:31.19
that aren't even Christian
00:16:31.22\00:16:32.79
are starting to see
the benefits in that,
00:16:32.82\00:16:34.86
and alcohol is just
kind of ruining societies...
00:16:34.89\00:16:37.63
ruining people's lives...
00:16:37.66\00:16:38.99
and I used to be
afraid to speak up about it
00:16:39.03\00:16:41.43
because it's... you know,
00:16:41.46\00:16:42.80
you kind of don't want to
be the person who does that
00:16:42.83\00:16:45.23
but with how many people
are dying from drunk driving...
00:16:45.27\00:16:47.90
how many people are dying
00:16:47.94\00:16:49.34
because their
killing their bodies...
00:16:49.37\00:16:51.51
it's... I just... how
can I not... you know.
00:16:51.54\00:16:54.58
John: Yeah.
00:16:54.61\00:16:55.94
Rosemary: So, you've
gone from a... a home
00:16:55.98\00:16:57.51
where your dad's
teaching about eating carrot...
00:16:57.55\00:16:59.68
drinking carrot juice and apple
juice... or both together...
00:16:59.71\00:17:03.02
eating pizza without cheese...
00:17:03.08\00:17:04.99
not eating in between meals...
00:17:05.05\00:17:06.89
Kathlyn: Okay, dad and
mom didn't really do that...
00:17:06.96\00:17:09.26
that was... that was
in Fountainview, yeah...
00:17:09.29\00:17:11.56
dad and mom used to tell me
to work on that but... yeah.
00:17:11.59\00:17:13.70
Rosemary: That
was at Fountainview...
00:17:13.73\00:17:15.06
you had to end up doing that,
00:17:15.10\00:17:16.43
but you had all the...
00:17:16.46\00:17:17.80
your dad was continually trying
to teach you health habits...
00:17:17.83\00:17:20.00
you end up at college...
you start drinking alcohol...
00:17:20.04\00:17:24.61
you're eating meat...
00:17:24.64\00:17:26.04
Kathlyn: Oh yeah... junk food,
fast food... Taco Bell, yeah.
00:17:26.07\00:17:29.84
Rosemary: Everything your
dad didn't teach you to do...
00:17:29.88\00:17:31.41
Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:17:31.45\00:17:32.78
Rosemary: And so, you're living
a completely different life
00:17:32.81\00:17:37.35
are you walking with God?
00:17:37.39\00:17:39.19
Kathlyn: You
know, that's such a...
00:17:39.22\00:17:41.26
that's such a good question...
00:17:41.29\00:17:42.66
I never really...
00:17:42.69\00:17:44.03
I actually didn't really
want to go to church anymore
00:17:44.06\00:17:48.16
and I didn't really want...
00:17:48.20\00:17:49.53
I was just so like,
disillusioned by Adventists...
00:17:49.56\00:17:50.90
I thought they
were all hypocrites
00:17:50.93\00:17:52.27
and I thought that
Adventists were just too strict
00:17:52.30\00:17:55.70
and all that stuff...
00:17:55.74\00:17:57.07
but deep down inside, when
I had some pain in my heart
00:17:57.11\00:18:01.11
or in my life, which we all do,
00:18:01.14\00:18:02.64
especially in college...
00:18:02.68\00:18:04.01
who would I pray to?
00:18:04.05\00:18:05.38
Who would I turn to?
00:18:05.41\00:18:06.75
I turned to God and I...
00:18:06.78\00:18:08.12
you know, because I went
to schools like Fountainview
00:18:08.15\00:18:09.75
where we started every
morning with devotionals...
00:18:09.78\00:18:11.95
that was still part of my life,
00:18:11.99\00:18:13.96
I remember, even when I
was like, partying and like...
00:18:13.99\00:18:16.52
I feel like, "Oh, I want to
read a devotional" you know,
00:18:16.56\00:18:19.09
and I have to add something
I didn't put in my bio,
00:18:19.13\00:18:21.56
when I was in college,
you asked me what I studied...
00:18:21.63\00:18:24.07
I started out with
Broadcast Journalism
00:18:24.10\00:18:25.70
and then ended up at PUC
where they didn't offer that
00:18:25.73\00:18:29.50
so I finished
with Communications and
00:18:29.54\00:18:31.41
I worked in their PR
Enrollment Department
00:18:31.44\00:18:33.64
but when I was a student,
as a Communications Major,
00:18:33.68\00:18:36.91
we each had to take a
Persuasive Communications class
00:18:36.95\00:18:40.15
and the teacher
got to pick the subject
00:18:40.18\00:18:42.98
that we had to talk about
00:18:43.02\00:18:44.45
and the subject that the...
00:18:44.49\00:18:45.85
and you had to write at
it, memorize and then deliver
00:18:45.89\00:18:49.66
a 10-page speech
00:18:49.69\00:18:51.09
it's not like a
one-page speech, it was like...
00:18:51.13\00:18:52.69
Rosemary: Memorize?
00:18:52.73\00:18:54.10
Kathlyn: Memorize...
write at it... research...
00:18:54.13\00:18:55.56
and he's
like... and the topic...
00:18:55.60\00:18:57.00
and he didn't
choose it actually,
00:18:57.03\00:18:58.37
it was like, this
Organization called:
00:18:58.40\00:19:01.27
The Christian
Temperance Union...
00:19:01.30\00:19:02.74
Women's Christian Temperance
Union... they're not even SDA
00:19:02.77\00:19:05.21
but they're just a
Christian Faith-based group...
00:19:05.24\00:19:07.58
they had different
colleges send their kids
00:19:07.64\00:19:10.25
and they got to
choose the topic and it was:
00:19:10.28\00:19:12.81
"Why should you completely
abstain from Alcohol?"
00:19:12.85\00:19:16.08
John: That was your topic.
00:19:16.12\00:19:17.65
Kathlyn: That was their topic...
they picked it for everyone
00:19:17.69\00:19:20.82
and so, I remember,
some of the kids were like,
00:19:20.86\00:19:22.99
"Well, we don't want
to write about that...
00:19:23.02\00:19:25.09
we don't want to have
to persuade people to... "
00:19:25.13\00:19:26.80
then, well, he's like,
"Well, that's the topic... "
00:19:26.83\00:19:28.46
and so, I had to
write, edit, research
00:19:28.50\00:19:31.33
and then deliver
00:19:31.37\00:19:32.70
and if you won at
your college, you got $500
00:19:32.73\00:19:36.00
and then if you won the $500
and they sent you to Nationals
00:19:36.07\00:19:40.24
I know it's funny...
00:19:40.28\00:19:42.51
and you go to Nationals
00:19:42.54\00:19:44.71
and then if you won
there, you got a $1,000
00:19:44.75\00:19:46.08
and so, I was like,
00:19:46.11\00:19:47.45
"You know, I could use
a little extra money... "
00:19:47.48\00:19:48.82
broke college student...
00:19:48.85\00:19:50.19
I was like, "I'm
going to win this... "
00:19:50.22\00:19:51.89
so, I really put my
heart and soul into it.
00:19:51.92\00:19:53.25
Rosemary: And
meanwhile you're drinking?
00:19:53.29\00:19:54.62
Kathlyn: Meanwhile,
I'm drinking alcohol
00:19:54.66\00:19:56.12
and I'm not
proud of... to say that
00:19:56.16\00:19:58.19
because I felt
like it was a little...
00:19:58.23\00:20:00.03
Rosemary: God is
ironic sometimes...
00:20:00.06\00:20:01.80
Kathlyn: It's ironic
and so I go from my college,
00:20:01.83\00:20:04.13
I won the $500
00:20:04.17\00:20:05.53
and then, they
flew me to Kansas...
00:20:05.57\00:20:06.97
that Women's
Christian Temperance Union
00:20:07.00\00:20:08.60
and when I met all these people
00:20:08.64\00:20:10.51
who were
running the... the show,
00:20:10.57\00:20:12.37
they came from alcoholic homes
where there was alcoholic abuse,
00:20:12.41\00:20:17.35
fathers that would come home...
00:20:17.38\00:20:19.08
and when they start
sharing those stories, I'm like,
00:20:19.11\00:20:20.95
"This is not...
these people are serious...
00:20:20.98\00:20:22.32
this is no joke... "
00:20:22.35\00:20:23.69
and here, you know, I am
kind of making light of it
00:20:23.72\00:20:26.69
but... anyway long story short,
I ended up winning in Kansas,
00:20:26.76\00:20:29.69
I won the $1,000 but my
speech has stayed with me
00:20:29.72\00:20:33.03
I... I memorized it
00:20:33.06\00:20:34.40
and when I did the research,
it's just kind of pointless...
00:20:34.43\00:20:37.57
alcohol is kind
of pointless, so...
00:20:37.60\00:20:39.03
John: Hmmm...
Rosemary: Yeah, that's right,
00:20:39.10\00:20:40.67
so where did you
go, you finished PUC,
00:20:40.70\00:20:44.11
and they picked
you up to work there.
00:20:44.14\00:20:47.44
Kathlyn: Oh yeah... okay,
so I... I... I finished at PUC
00:20:47.48\00:20:52.21
and then, three
months before I graduated,
00:20:52.25\00:20:54.25
they offered me a full-time...
00:20:54.28\00:20:56.22
I was working as student
in the Enrollment Department
00:20:56.25\00:20:58.95
so, I was already
working as a student
00:20:58.99\00:21:00.32
and I loved PUC... you
know, I'm enthusiastic...
00:21:00.36\00:21:02.56
when I'm enthusiastic,
I'm enthusiastic...
00:21:02.59\00:21:04.36
so, I loved it and they said,
00:21:04.39\00:21:05.99
"Do you want to be a
College Recruiter for us?"
00:21:06.03\00:21:07.96
And I said, "Sure, it
sounds like a fun job... "
00:21:08.00\00:21:09.70
but I took a gap year
00:21:09.73\00:21:11.07
and in that gap year,
I... I went to Thailand...
00:21:11.10\00:21:13.60
did a bit of traveling,
00:21:13.64\00:21:14.97
I think I needed
to take that break
00:21:15.00\00:21:16.34
and then, I kind of got
a little bit more serious
00:21:16.37\00:21:18.87
in that gap year... came back...
00:21:18.91\00:21:20.38
oh, in that gap year is
when I got Adult Acne...
00:21:20.41\00:21:22.34
it was like all my years of
00:21:22.38\00:21:25.21
kind of being not
very good to myself,
00:21:25.25\00:21:28.08
caught up and I had
like rashes on my face
00:21:28.12\00:21:30.85
and I... when you don't have
acne and then you have acne,
00:21:30.89\00:21:33.29
it's really traumatic,
did you guys ever have acne?
00:21:33.32\00:21:35.19
Rosemary: Yeah...
yeah. John: Smiling.
00:21:35.22\00:21:37.13
Kathlyn: But, you understand,
it's, you know, it's not fun.
00:21:37.16\00:21:40.70
Rosemary: It's not nice.
00:21:40.73\00:21:42.46
Kathlyn: It's not
nice and I was 22... 23...
00:21:42.53\00:21:45.10
"Why is this
happening to me now?"
00:21:45.13\00:21:46.74
And so, I was... I
went to a Dermatologist,
00:21:46.80\00:21:49.17
she put me on
antibiotics for almost a year...
00:21:49.20\00:21:51.54
John: For a whole year?
00:21:51.57\00:21:53.88
Kathlyn: Yeah,
hmmm... hmmm... and creams...
00:21:53.91\00:21:56.38
I did chemical face peals...
00:21:56.41\00:21:57.75
where, like,
layers of my... it was...
00:21:57.78\00:21:59.18
and I was just
trusting this Dermatologist
00:21:59.21\00:22:01.28
thinking that she had my
best interests in mind...
00:22:01.32\00:22:03.18
she barely even looked at
me when I went into her office,
00:22:03.22\00:22:05.55
she just kind of...
it was... it was like...
00:22:05.59\00:22:07.06
"Da... da... da...
this is what you do... "
00:22:07.09\00:22:08.52
and my dad... I called my dad...
00:22:08.56\00:22:10.59
and I was
telling... I sent him pictures
00:22:10.63\00:22:12.43
because he was still in Thailand
and I was in the States,
00:22:12.46\00:22:14.00
and he said, "Kat, you
need to change your diet
00:22:14.03\00:22:15.76
and your lifestyle... "
00:22:15.80\00:22:17.13
and I knew he was
right but I was stubborn
00:22:17.17\00:22:19.00
and I'd rather take
a pill... antibiotic...
00:22:19.03\00:22:21.24
Rosemary: Yes, it's easier...
00:22:21.27\00:22:22.60
Kathlyn: It's easier
than changing my life
00:22:22.64\00:22:25.77
and so, I finally
heard from a co-worker
00:22:25.81\00:22:29.14
about this documentary called:
"Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead"
00:22:29.18\00:22:30.98
while I was recruiting
00:22:31.01\00:22:32.41
and I watched the
documentary about how this man
00:22:32.45\00:22:35.55
healed himself by
doing a juice fast
00:22:35.58\00:22:37.75
and he had health issues
way more serious than mine
00:22:37.82\00:22:41.02
and I remember, like, I
wanted to cry at the end,
00:22:41.06\00:22:44.26
it was so moving,
it really touched me
00:22:44.29\00:22:46.29
and it gave me
hope and I... I said,
00:22:46.33\00:22:48.30
"You know, I think I need
to focus on my health a bit"
00:22:48.33\00:22:50.47
and I quit my job...
00:22:50.50\00:22:52.03
oh and... meanwhile when
I was recruiting for PUC,
00:22:52.07\00:22:54.30
they flew me to Oahu,
Maui... oh, Oahu, Hawaii,
00:22:54.34\00:22:57.24
to recruit and I went
to Hawaii Mission Academy
00:22:57.27\00:23:00.18
and I grew up in
Asia and I'm half American
00:23:00.21\00:23:03.85
and I never really felt
that I belonged anywhere
00:23:03.88\00:23:06.01
but when I went to Hawaii,
I was like, "I totally... "
00:23:06.05\00:23:08.25
John: You came home.
Kathlyn: I came home...
00:23:08.28\00:23:09.68
I walked into the
airport and they were like,
00:23:09.72\00:23:11.09
"Hey, the local
girl... welcome home... "
00:23:11.12\00:23:12.55
and I was just like,
"Oh, I love this... "
00:23:12.59\00:23:14.12
Rosemary: You must
have looked Hawaiian.
00:23:14.16\00:23:15.66
Kathlyn: Yeah, I felt the aloha
00:23:15.69\00:23:17.03
and you know
what? PUC... they said,
00:23:17.06\00:23:18.53
"Kat, we're sending
you to Hawaii to recruit
00:23:18.56\00:23:22.50
because you kind
of look Hawaiian... "
00:23:22.53\00:23:24.23
and I was like, "Man, they're
totally using me for my looks
00:23:24.27\00:23:26.33
and I'm okay with it...
00:23:26.37\00:23:27.70
it's okay, you
know, I look Hawaiian...
00:23:27.74\00:23:29.57
I can go to
Hawaii... I am okay with it. "
00:23:29.60\00:23:31.54
So, anyway, yeah, that was...
00:23:31.57\00:23:33.17
just, I had to
throw that in there
00:23:33.21\00:23:34.74
because that job at PUC
00:23:34.78\00:23:36.61
was one of the best
things that ever happened to me,
00:23:36.64\00:23:38.61
I loved recruiting for PUC...
00:23:38.68\00:23:40.22
I got to meet Seventh-day
Adventist High School kids
00:23:40.25\00:23:42.58
from all over
the United States...
00:23:42.62\00:23:43.95
I went to Hawaii and
it was because of that job
00:23:43.99\00:23:46.49
that I ended up living
in Maui for four years.
00:23:46.52\00:23:48.79
John: Hmmm...
00:23:48.82\00:23:50.16
Kathlyn: So, PUC
changed my life and I love...
00:23:50.19\00:23:52.13
I love PUC deeply...
00:23:52.16\00:23:53.50
I... I'm still in
touch with all of my friends
00:23:53.53\00:23:56.00
most of my friends
from... from the college
00:23:56.06\00:23:58.63
and the staff
there are great, yeah.
00:23:58.67\00:24:01.20
Rosemary: Even
learning bad habits...
00:24:01.24\00:24:03.54
you... it was
still a great experience.
00:24:03.57\00:24:05.77
Kathyln: Of course,
yeah, and you know, I just...
00:24:05.81\00:24:07.14
I have to say... I didn't
learn my bad habits at PUC...
00:24:07.18\00:24:09.31
Rosemary: You're already...
Kathlyn: People are partying...
00:24:09.34\00:24:11.61
people were partying at
Southern... at Newbold...
00:24:11.65\00:24:13.78
like, I... you know,
as a college recruiter...
00:24:13.82\00:24:15.92
and I'm just going to say
this, young people will be like,
00:24:15.95\00:24:17.65
"Oh, you mean like
California, the party State...
00:24:17.69\00:24:19.99
the party schools are there... "
00:24:20.02\00:24:21.36
no, you can...
people party everywhere...
00:24:21.39\00:24:23.12
people party in Tennessee...
00:24:23.19\00:24:24.86
people party in Kansas... like,
00:24:24.89\00:24:26.46
you'll find what you want
wherever you go, and so...
00:24:26.49\00:24:29.30
whatever you want...
you'll find wherever you go
00:24:29.33\00:24:32.10
so, I... I loved PUC and I...
I really enjoyed my time there.
00:24:32.13\00:24:36.00
Rosemary: Is other things
that they find necessarily
00:24:36.04\00:24:37.84
fun and okay and good?
00:24:37.87\00:24:39.67
Kathlyn: I'm... I'm sorry...
00:24:39.71\00:24:41.04
Rosemary: Are the things
that they find at college
00:24:41.08\00:24:42.74
necessarily good
or can they be bad?
00:24:42.78\00:24:46.11
Kathlyn: Oh, they
can definitely be bad...
00:24:46.15\00:24:47.65
I mean, you can go to the most
conservative Adventist College
00:24:47.68\00:24:50.59
and you'll... if you
want to find crack cocaine...
00:24:50.62\00:24:52.85
you will find crack cocaine...
00:24:52.89\00:24:54.22
do you know what I mean? Like...
00:24:54.26\00:24:55.59
if you go to the most
liberal Adventist College
00:24:55.62\00:24:57.86
and you want to be a
vegan, vegetarian, hippie,
00:24:57.89\00:25:00.10
earth-loving... you
can do that too, you know,
00:25:00.13\00:25:02.26
and so, you'll
find what you want.
00:25:02.30\00:25:05.00
Rosemary: So, it sort
of depends on who you find
00:25:05.03\00:25:06.87
your friends to be?
00:25:06.90\00:25:08.24
Kathlyn: Oh, yeah, I just read
a book called: Friendfluence...
00:25:08.27\00:25:10.67
it's not even
Christian but it's saying,
00:25:10.71\00:25:12.04
"You're the
average of the five people
00:25:12.07\00:25:13.41
you spend the
most time with... "
00:25:13.44\00:25:14.78
and I read this
about five years ago
00:25:14.81\00:25:16.14
and started to really think
about who I spend time with
00:25:16.18\00:25:18.45
and who you date in college will
influence your habits incredibly
00:25:18.48\00:25:22.92
who you spend
time with... I mean...
00:25:22.95\00:25:25.75
the influence is powerful.
00:25:25.79\00:25:28.32
Rosemary: It's
interesting you say that
00:25:28.39\00:25:29.72
because right towards
the beginning you said
00:25:29.76\00:25:32.33
that your dad
was telling you this
00:25:32.39\00:25:34.80
but your friends
were doing this...
00:25:34.86\00:25:37.50
and so, you know, drinking soda
00:25:37.53\00:25:40.14
when your dad wanted you to
drink carrot and apple juice
00:25:40.17\00:25:43.41
but your friends
were drinking soda
00:25:43.44\00:25:45.67
so, you drank soda.
00:25:45.74\00:25:47.48
Kathlyn: Yeah.
00:25:47.51\00:25:48.84
Rosemary: So, that
had a great influence.
00:25:48.88\00:25:50.21
Kathlyn: Yeah...
yeah... definitely.
00:25:50.25\00:25:52.28
So, where were we?
00:25:52.31\00:25:54.18
Rosemary: You were in Maui.
00:25:54.22\00:25:55.55
Kathlyn: Okay, Maui...
no, but where we in my story?
00:25:55.58\00:25:57.12
Oh no, so the "Fat, Sick &
Nearly Dead" thing happened,
00:25:57.15\00:25:58.79
can I share that real quickly?
00:25:58.85\00:26:00.19
I watched the documentary...
I bought it for my dad...
00:26:00.22\00:26:03.89
I was like, "Merry
Christmas, you're right...
00:26:03.93\00:26:05.86
I had to change my
diet this whole time... "
00:26:05.89\00:26:07.80
but I bought a
juicer an Omega 8006...
00:26:07.83\00:26:11.37
I don't know if anyone cares,
00:26:11.40\00:26:12.73
but I bought a juicer
and I started juicing...
00:26:12.77\00:26:14.94
I went totally plant-based...
00:26:14.97\00:26:16.64
cut out meat... cut out
cheese, cut out wheat...
00:26:16.67\00:26:18.51
and I know that it sounds like
I'm cutting a lot of stuff out
00:26:18.54\00:26:21.24
but then I started to
eat, like, zucchini and mint
00:26:21.28\00:26:24.21
and eggplant and tomatoes,
like there's so many vegetables
00:26:24.25\00:26:27.28
and you know in
Thailand... so many fruits...
00:26:27.32\00:26:29.68
mangoes and
pineapple and dragon fruit...
00:26:29.75\00:26:31.95
Rosemary:
Rambutan... Kathlyn: Rambutan...
00:26:31.99\00:26:34.09
Rosemary: Mangosteen
and... and Custard Apples.
00:26:34.16\00:26:37.13
John: And Durian.
00:26:37.16\00:26:38.49
Kathlyn: And Durian...
I was going to say that
00:26:38.53\00:26:39.86
so, I never have
really eaten or liked durian
00:26:39.89\00:26:41.50
and then, when I
became, like, health conscious,
00:26:41.56\00:26:43.43
I can... I can eat a
little piece of durian.
00:26:43.47\00:26:45.27
Rosemary: I
can't... Kathlyn: You can't?
00:26:45.33\00:26:46.77
Rosemary: No.
00:26:46.80\00:26:48.14
John: You can eat a
little piece I'll eat the rest
00:26:48.17\00:26:49.50
because I really like it.
00:26:49.54\00:26:50.87
Kathlyn: You sound
like my sister, yeah
00:26:50.91\00:26:52.24
but... there's so
much, you know, healthy...
00:26:52.27\00:26:53.61
but anyway, I sent my...
I started to follow the blog
00:26:53.64\00:26:57.71
that Joe Cross had
on his reboot website
00:26:57.75\00:26:59.58
and one day his
Producer sent out a mass e-mail
00:26:59.61\00:27:02.22
to all the
people and she's like,
00:27:02.25\00:27:03.75
"We're flying out 12
people to New York City
00:27:03.79\00:27:06.19
to share their
health testimony...
00:27:06.29\00:27:08.59
how much weight
did you lose juicing
00:27:08.62\00:27:10.53
after watching:
Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead
00:27:10.56\00:27:12.33
and how did the
documentary change your life?
00:27:12.39\00:27:14.03
And I thought, "Well, I didn't
really lose weight juicing
00:27:14.06\00:27:18.47
and I didn't... but I
did it to heal my acne
00:27:18.50\00:27:20.54
and my acne was
healed by the way
00:27:20.60\00:27:22.04
I said, "Maybe
I'll send my story
00:27:22.07\00:27:23.94
and put a
little twist on it... "
00:27:24.01\00:27:25.84
and so, I sent her my story,
00:27:25.87\00:27:27.98
she said, "Kat, your
e-mail gave me goosebumps...
00:27:28.04\00:27:29.58
we'd love to fly you out to
New York to be in our commercial
00:27:29.61\00:27:31.91
and to meet Joe Cross. "
00:27:31.95\00:27:33.31
so, I got to meet
him in New York...
00:27:33.35\00:27:34.95
I did the commercial...
00:27:34.98\00:27:36.32
and we all sat in a
circle before we did
00:27:36.35\00:27:37.85
and everyone in
the circle was like,
00:27:37.89\00:27:39.65
"I lost a 100 pounds... "
00:27:39.69\00:27:41.16
John: A 100 pounds?
00:27:41.19\00:27:42.66
Kathlyn: Yeah, and
another person's like,
00:27:42.69\00:27:44.03
"I lost 80 pounds... "
00:27:44.06\00:27:46.03
and they all look
at me, like, waiting
00:27:46.06\00:27:47.40
and I was like,
"I lost 10 pounds
00:27:47.43\00:27:48.96
but that's not why I'm here... "
00:27:49.00\00:27:50.60
and they all looked at
me. Rosemary: I lost acne...
00:27:50.63\00:27:52.13
Kathlyn: I'm like,
"I lost my acne... "
00:27:52.17\00:27:54.17
and then they were
like, "Why are you here
00:27:54.20\00:27:55.54
if you lost ten pounds?"
00:27:55.57\00:27:56.91
You know, and I
was like, "Oh no... "
00:27:56.94\00:27:58.27
and then I shared my
pictures and they understood
00:27:58.31\00:27:59.64
but there are a
lot of young girls
00:27:59.67\00:28:01.01
that are struggling with acne
00:28:01.04\00:28:02.38
and a ton of money is going
into all these harsh creams
00:28:02.41\00:28:04.48
and... I mean... you know,
00:28:04.51\00:28:06.68
there's nothing wrong with
wanting to have a smooth face,
00:28:06.72\00:28:08.62
but people are just going...
00:28:08.68\00:28:10.49
spending their
money on the wrong things,
00:28:10.52\00:28:12.32
so, I just wanted to
share with people that
00:28:12.35\00:28:14.12
it's... you are what you absorb
00:28:14.16\00:28:15.69
and what you put on your
skin is also what you absorb
00:28:15.72\00:28:19.13
so...
00:28:19.19\00:28:20.53
Rosemary: And the
antibiotics you're on
00:28:20.56\00:28:22.83
would have been causing
more problems in your gut.
00:28:22.86\00:28:25.53
Kathlyn: Yeah, that is actually
something I've struggled with
00:28:25.57\00:28:28.44
for the past five
years... I'm not kidding...
00:28:28.47\00:28:30.31
the antibiotics was like a
gut bomb... totally affected...
00:28:30.34\00:28:33.07
Rosemary: Eight months...
Kathlyn: Almost a year, yeah,
00:28:33.11\00:28:35.68
like, it was a really long time
00:28:35.71\00:28:37.05
and you know when I did
that commercial in New York,
00:28:37.08\00:28:40.45
that was like my
first stage of healing...
00:28:40.48\00:28:42.42
my acne was healed
but I remember still...
00:28:42.45\00:28:44.55
and I was learning
about digestive enzymes...
00:28:44.59\00:28:46.62
and I was learning
about probiotics...
00:28:46.65\00:28:47.99
I was learning
about the microbiome
00:28:48.02\00:28:49.36
and since then, I've, like,
00:28:49.39\00:28:51.19
reached different
layers of my health
00:28:51.23\00:28:52.93
but I became obsessed with
organic fruits and vegetables,
00:28:52.96\00:28:55.23
as you know,
we've been talking about
00:28:55.26\00:28:56.67
organic fruits and vegetables.
00:28:56.70\00:28:58.13
John: Hmmm...
hmmm... so, you've...
00:28:58.17\00:28:59.50
you've... seeing you've
gone through that experience,
00:28:59.53\00:29:02.40
you have a desire to
let other people know.
00:29:02.44\00:29:05.11
Kathlyn: Yeah.
00:29:05.14\00:29:06.47
John: And I know there's
probably a lot of young people
00:29:06.51\00:29:07.94
out there
listening and wondering,
00:29:07.98\00:29:09.54
"Well, about college and
what mom and dad are telling me,
00:29:09.58\00:29:12.05
to do and how... it
doesn't seem fair... "
00:29:12.08\00:29:15.62
but in reality, you are
looking now back in retrospect
00:29:15.65\00:29:20.89
and you're seeing that
00:29:20.96\00:29:23.43
there was a better
choice you could have made
00:29:23.46\00:29:26.29
because it really amounts to
what choices you make in life
00:29:26.33\00:29:29.36
and really, you've come
now to the realization...
00:29:29.40\00:29:33.57
dad was right... you know...
00:29:33.60\00:29:35.74
and so, as a young person...
00:29:35.77\00:29:37.81
I'll say, you are
still are a young person,
00:29:37.87\00:29:40.14
you want others to know that...
00:29:40.18\00:29:42.28
they don't have to go through
what you went through, do they?
00:29:42.34\00:29:44.01
Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:29:44.05\00:29:45.45
I told Rosemary
when I e-mailed her,
00:29:45.48\00:29:46.85
I said, "My suffering was
a cause of my own rebellion"
00:29:46.92\00:29:49.95
and you read that in the Bible,
00:29:49.98\00:29:51.69
and by the way,
during this time period,
00:29:51.75\00:29:53.46
I started
reading my Bible again...
00:29:53.49\00:29:54.82
and really
following the NEWSTART Program
00:29:54.86\00:29:58.93
that we grew up with:
00:29:58.96\00:30:00.30
Nutrition, Exercise, Water,
Sunshine, Temperance, Air,
00:30:00.33\00:30:02.86
Rest... Trust in God...
00:30:02.93\00:30:04.27
I really started
to follow that like,
00:30:04.30\00:30:05.83
I became... not
obsessed but like...
00:30:05.87\00:30:07.34
I wanted to make... purify
my life as much as possible...
00:30:07.37\00:30:10.44
no more perfume...
00:30:10.47\00:30:11.81
I stopped eating chocolate...
00:30:11.84\00:30:13.17
I stopped wearing harsh...
like, Makeups and stuff...
00:30:13.21\00:30:17.15
I started using
essential oils...
00:30:17.18\00:30:18.88
I mean, I wanted to purify
my life as much as possible
00:30:18.91\00:30:22.55
and I became
obsessed with clean air...
00:30:22.58\00:30:24.89
clean water... and that's
kind of why I moved to Maui...
00:30:24.92\00:30:27.42
Maui, Hawaii...
and I was a WWOOFER
00:30:27.46\00:30:28.96
which is
Worldwide Opportunity...
00:30:28.99\00:30:30.43
Rosemary: Yeah, tell us
some of these stories in Maui...
00:30:30.46\00:30:33.09
Kathlyn: Yes, so because
of PUC sending me to Oahu
00:30:33.13\00:30:36.30
as a College Recruiter,
00:30:36.33\00:30:37.67
I decided that I had
to move to Hawaii some day
00:30:37.70\00:30:39.93
and I chose Maui
because my family had gone there
00:30:39.97\00:30:42.47
when we were
younger and I asked dad,
00:30:42.50\00:30:44.27
"What's the most beautiful
place you've ever been in?"
00:30:44.31\00:30:45.91
He said, "Maui... "
00:30:45.94\00:30:47.48
and so, I... I kind of always
had Maui in the back of my head
00:30:47.51\00:30:50.35
and my mom loved
Maui and... yeah...
00:30:50.38\00:30:53.78
so, I wanted to move to Maui,
Hawaii but I didn't know a soul
00:30:53.82\00:30:56.45
and I knew I wanted to be
a WWOOFER because I was like,
00:30:56.48\00:30:59.19
"I want to learn how to
grow my own produce... "
00:30:59.22\00:31:00.72
Rosemary: Okay, just
explain for those who don't know
00:31:00.76\00:31:02.52
what is WWOOFER is.
00:31:02.56\00:31:03.89
Kathlyn: Yeah, it's
a really funny word...
00:31:03.93\00:31:05.26
WWOOFER is: Worldwide
Opportunities on Organic Farms
00:31:05.29\00:31:10.20
and my cousin had been a WWOOFER
00:31:10.23\00:31:12.33
and I had different friends...
00:31:12.37\00:31:14.40
and pretty much you go to the
website and you pay 30 dollars,
00:31:14.44\00:31:17.77
I paid $30 for the year
00:31:17.81\00:31:19.14
and then you have access
to all these organic farms
00:31:19.17\00:31:20.98
in North America and
even the world, I think,
00:31:21.01\00:31:23.08
but I stuck to North America.
00:31:23.11\00:31:24.45
Rosemary: And you
can go and look there.
00:31:24.48\00:31:25.95
Kathlyn: Yeah and you...
you get to live there for free
00:31:25.98\00:31:28.25
but you have to put in a
couple of hours each day...
00:31:28.28\00:31:30.49
you have to... you
have to do your work...
00:31:30.55\00:31:31.89
like, you have to
e-mail the family and say,
00:31:31.92\00:31:33.25
"What do you expect of me?"
00:31:33.29\00:31:34.62
"How many people are there?"
00:31:34.66\00:31:35.99
"How many hours each
day?" blah, blah, blah...
00:31:36.02\00:31:38.13
and so, I knew I
wanted to be a WWOOFER
00:31:38.16\00:31:40.16
when I moved to Maui.
00:31:40.20\00:31:41.53
John: So, you did
that for four years?
00:31:41.56\00:31:43.03
Kathlyn: No, I
did that for a month.
00:31:43.06\00:31:44.80
I saw... I
wanted to be a WWOOFER
00:31:44.83\00:31:46.50
and then I wanted to
work at a restaurant called:
00:31:46.53\00:31:48.60
Mama's Fish House Restaurant
and that's another story
00:31:48.64\00:31:51.17
and I prayed to God that I
wanted to do both those things
00:31:51.21\00:31:53.74
and both those things happened
00:31:53.78\00:31:55.34
but, I guess I'll
start with the WWOOFing...
00:31:55.38\00:31:57.68
I wanted to be a
WWOOFER and at this time,
00:31:57.71\00:31:59.91
I started wanting to
keep the Sabbath again
00:31:59.98\00:32:02.12
and I said, "I want to start
keeping the Sabbath again... "
00:32:02.15\00:32:04.69
and so, that was in my heart
00:32:04.72\00:32:06.25
and I started applying
to different farms on Maui
00:32:06.29\00:32:08.72
and I applied to this one farm
and it seemed really legit...
00:32:08.76\00:32:11.46
they had a website...
00:32:11.49\00:32:12.83
they had like 15
WWOOFERs at one time,
00:32:12.86\00:32:14.50
and I wrote them and
they were writing me back,
00:32:14.53\00:32:16.77
they were engaged...
they seemed interested...
00:32:16.80\00:32:19.03
and then I said,
"Okay, but by the way,
00:32:19.07\00:32:21.00
I would like to have
Sabbath... Saturday off
00:32:21.04\00:32:23.61
because I keep the Sabbath...
" never wrote me back...
00:32:23.64\00:32:26.01
just completely
stopped writing me...
00:32:26.04\00:32:28.44
and I was hurt...
I was like, "What?"
00:32:28.48\00:32:30.61
And I talked to
my dad and he's like,
00:32:30.65\00:32:32.75
"Kat, this door closed
00:32:32.78\00:32:34.12
because a better
one is opening... "
00:32:34.15\00:32:36.38
and we went to the
website and on their website
00:32:36.42\00:32:39.22
they were into stuff
like talking to the dead...
00:32:39.25\00:32:42.02
Rosemary: Ah...
00:32:42.06\00:32:43.39
Kathlyn: Yeah, no... I mean
it was very "spiritualistic"
00:32:43.43\00:32:46.39
kind of stuff and my...
00:32:46.43\00:32:47.76
my dad was looking at the
website, he's like, "I don't"
00:32:47.80\00:32:49.66
John: I don't
think it's a good place.
00:32:49.70\00:32:51.13
Kathlyn: He said, "This is a
blessing that this door closed,
00:32:51.17\00:32:53.13
you don't really
want to be there... "
00:32:53.17\00:32:54.57
so, I had to just have faith
00:32:54.60\00:32:56.64
that God had a
better door opened
00:32:56.67\00:32:58.07
and so I... I went to
the website the next day
00:32:58.11\00:33:01.34
and there was a new Ad
that popped up that wasn't there
00:33:01.38\00:33:03.38
and it was like, "Hi,
we're a couple from San Diego,
00:33:03.41\00:33:05.38
we're living in Maui now
00:33:05.41\00:33:06.75
we're looking for one WWOOFER...
no partying... no drinking...
00:33:06.78\00:33:09.58
vegetarian...
we have an ohana...
00:33:09.62\00:33:11.45
we have papayas,
pineapples, coconuts... "
00:33:11.49\00:33:14.19
John: Sounds good.
00:33:14.22\00:33:15.56
Kathlyn: And the
thing is... I had already...
00:33:15.59\00:33:17.59
I had been dorming for
eight years at this point
00:33:17.63\00:33:19.83
and I was like, "I
am done with the sharing
00:33:19.89\00:33:22.00
I'm done with the whole
boarding-dorming thing... "
00:33:22.03\00:33:24.83
and I wanted to be
the only WWOOFER...
00:33:24.87\00:33:26.70
and they wanted only one WWOOFER
00:33:26.74\00:33:28.60
and so, I called them
and I was like, "Hi... "
00:33:28.64\00:33:31.14
and it was... their
names were Gordie and Sharon
00:33:31.17\00:33:33.48
and I was like,
"Hi... I saw your Ad... "
00:33:33.54\00:33:35.41
and Gordie's like, "We
just posted it last night"
00:33:35.44\00:33:37.35
I was like, "Okay,
whatever... I'm your girl...
00:33:37.38\00:33:39.25
I don't care when you posted it,
00:33:39.28\00:33:40.82
I'm your girl to
be your WWOOFER."
00:33:40.85\00:33:42.32
I was their first
WWOOFER and they tell...
00:33:42.38\00:33:44.19
and to this
day... four years later,
00:33:44.22\00:33:45.95
I still house-sit for them...
00:33:45.99\00:33:47.32
I go over to their house all
the time when I'm on Maui... "
00:33:47.36\00:33:50.13
and they've adopted
me as their daughter...
00:33:50.16\00:33:52.43
they tell everyone else
I was their first WWOOFER
00:33:52.46\00:33:54.26
and so, it was meant to be...
00:33:54.30\00:33:55.63
God opened that door,
that wasn't by chance.
00:33:55.66\00:33:57.00
John: Hmmm...
00:33:57.03\00:33:58.40
Rosemary: Hmmm...
and so... what did...
00:33:58.43\00:33:59.83
so you were only
with them for a month?
00:33:59.87\00:34:01.20
Kathlyn: Okay, yeah...
and I have to add something,
00:34:01.24\00:34:02.60
I wrote them and told
them about the Sabbath
00:34:02.64\00:34:04.34
and they were okay with it.
00:34:04.37\00:34:05.71
So, I said, "I'll do...
I'll garden... whatever...
00:34:05.74\00:34:07.84
but on... on
Saturday, I want to go to church
00:34:07.88\00:34:09.61
and I want the Sabbath off... "
00:34:09.64\00:34:10.98
and I remember thinking, like,
00:34:11.01\00:34:12.48
"I wonder if they
even know what that is?"
00:34:12.51\00:34:13.92
I go to their house
00:34:13.95\00:34:15.28
and they tell me that
they used to live on Molokai...
00:34:15.32\00:34:17.62
Molokai is a
smaller island off of Maui
00:34:17.65\00:34:20.19
and they're like, "Yeah,
so when we lived on Molokai,
00:34:20.22\00:34:22.42
we had to do all of our
shopping before Saturday
00:34:22.46\00:34:25.93
or after Saturday
because all of the shops closed
00:34:25.96\00:34:28.60
because they were all
Seventh-day-Adventist owned.
00:34:28.63\00:34:30.63
John: Is that
right? Rosemary: Smiling.
00:34:30.67\00:34:32.20
Kathlyn: I said,
"That is too funny... "
00:34:32.23\00:34:33.74
like, I said, "So, guys
don't think that I was... "
00:34:33.77\00:34:36.40
like, I didn't want
them to think I was like,
00:34:36.44\00:34:37.77
"I need Tuesday and
Saturday off because I... "
00:34:37.81\00:34:39.74
you know, I didn't want them
to think I was making stuff up
00:34:39.77\00:34:41.61
but they were like, "Yeah, no...
closed on Saturday... " so...
00:34:41.64\00:34:43.81
so, if you ever go to Molokai...
00:34:43.85\00:34:45.85
Rosemary: Yeah and so, you
were only there for a month
00:34:45.88\00:34:48.75
but you really
enjoyed it and you...
00:34:48.78\00:34:50.49
you learned how to grow things?
00:34:50.52\00:34:52.99
Kathlyn: Well, what I
learned from Sharon and Gordie
00:34:53.02\00:34:55.19
was the beauty of
growing your own food.
00:34:55.22\00:34:57.99
This couple they...
they grew their own food
00:34:58.03\00:35:00.76
their whole lives...
their kids never went to the...
00:35:00.80\00:35:02.70
like, doctor really...
00:35:02.76\00:35:04.10
they just kind of healed
their kids through nutrition
00:35:04.13\00:35:07.30
and they grew corn... they
grew coconuts, like I said,
00:35:07.34\00:35:10.47
kale, ginger,
turmeric, papaya...
00:35:10.51\00:35:12.87
they had... oh, and
they sold the papayas
00:35:12.91\00:35:14.84
to the health
food stores in Maui,
00:35:14.88\00:35:16.31
so, they were like, legit.
00:35:16.34\00:35:17.68
I was there for a month
00:35:17.71\00:35:19.05
because that was the agreement
on their WWOOFER website,
00:35:19.08\00:35:20.42
they said, "We're only looking
for someone for a month. "
00:35:20.45\00:35:21.92
I WWOOFed for a
month then I left
00:35:21.95\00:35:24.39
and then, about
a week after that,
00:35:24.42\00:35:26.76
they said, "Come
back... " so I came back
00:35:26.79\00:35:28.12
but then I was working at
Mama's Fish House Restaurant
00:35:28.16\00:35:30.16
at that point,
00:35:30.23\00:35:31.56
which was my
other dream come true.
00:35:31.59\00:35:32.93
Rosemary: How
did you get that job?
00:35:32.96\00:35:34.53
Kathlyn: Okay, so when I
knew I wanted to move to Maui,
00:35:34.56\00:35:36.97
I called my dad
and he was in Thailand
00:35:37.00\00:35:39.00
and I said, "Dad, I
want to move to Maui,
00:35:39.03\00:35:40.97
do you have any friends
over there that know of jobs...
00:35:41.00\00:35:43.54
like, do you know anything?"
00:35:43.57\00:35:45.44
And he said, "Well, if I hear of
anything, I'll let you know. "
00:35:45.47\00:35:47.98
Next thing I knew,
he e-mails me and says,
00:35:48.01\00:35:49.98
"Kat, call me... a businessman
from Maui came to the hospital
00:35:50.05\00:35:53.75
Mission Hospital in Bangkok
trying to sell us something,
00:35:53.78\00:35:56.99
and he says he knows
where you need to work
00:35:57.02\00:35:59.39
when you go to Maui... "
00:35:59.45\00:36:00.79
and so, I called my dad,
00:36:00.82\00:36:02.16
my dad said, "Yeah,
this man Bill Riker... "
00:36:02.19\00:36:04.09
I don't know if he's
ever going to watch this
00:36:04.13\00:36:05.56
but Bill Riker is kind of
the reason why I ended up there,
00:36:05.59\00:36:07.66
said that this man said,
00:36:07.70\00:36:09.16
"If your daughter
is going to go to Maui,
00:36:09.20\00:36:11.17
and work in hospitality... "
00:36:11.20\00:36:13.00
because that's what
I said I wanted to do
00:36:13.03\00:36:14.37
because
Hospitality is huge there
00:36:14.40\00:36:15.74
and that's like, the only
thing you can do there, really,
00:36:15.77\00:36:17.11
unless you have... you know...
00:36:17.14\00:36:18.47
so, he said, "There's only one
restaurant she should work at,
00:36:18.51\00:36:21.78
and it's Mama's
Fish House Restaurant"
00:36:21.81\00:36:23.71
and I said, "Okay... "
00:36:23.75\00:36:25.81
and so I... I looked it up
00:36:25.85\00:36:27.65
and it's a
restaurant right on the beach
00:36:27.68\00:36:30.15
300 employees... a 1,000
guests come through daily.
00:36:30.19\00:36:32.65
Rosemary: A 1,000 guests a day!
00:36:32.72\00:36:35.12
Kathlyn: Yeah...
and... Rosemary: Amazing.
00:36:35.16\00:36:37.09
Kathlyn: A family called Floyd
and Doris Christenson started it
00:36:37.13\00:36:39.66
lovely family...
00:36:39.69\00:36:41.03
I met some of the best
friends I have to this day
00:36:41.06\00:36:43.90
at that restaurant...
00:36:43.93\00:36:45.27
I worked in the office
so, I worked in the office,
00:36:45.30\00:36:47.30
and I also worked as a hostess
00:36:47.34\00:36:48.77
and it's a very busy...
00:36:48.80\00:36:50.14
it's the number
one restaurant on Maui
00:36:50.17\00:36:51.51
and anyway, so that door
opened and so I did that.
00:36:51.54\00:36:54.58
Rosemary: That's exciting.
00:36:54.61\00:36:56.75
Kathlyn: Yeah, it
was really exciting.
00:36:56.78\00:36:58.11
Rosemary: Is that when
you gave up eating fish?
00:36:58.15\00:36:59.81
Kathlyn: That's when I
gave up eating fish, yeah,
00:36:59.85\00:37:01.62
when I said I went
totally plant based,
00:37:01.65\00:37:03.55
I guess I was
eating fish a bit and eggs
00:37:03.59\00:37:05.42
and even now,
I'm not a 100% vegan
00:37:05.45\00:37:07.46
because I do eat the
eggs, it's the Filipino in me,
00:37:07.49\00:37:10.73
but... but I did stop
eating fish at Mama's Fish House
00:37:10.76\00:37:13.93
because the
stench... and I just...
00:37:14.00\00:37:15.60
the mercury in the
fish and... I don't know.
00:37:15.63\00:37:17.83
Rosemary: Yeah,
that's right. Kathlyn: Yeah.
00:37:17.87\00:37:20.00
Rosemary: A lot of
people don't think about it
00:37:20.04\00:37:22.17
but fish actually are
said to be full of toxin.
00:37:22.20\00:37:24.47
John: After listening to you,
you walked your way through life
00:37:24.51\00:37:26.54
and you've
experienced all these things
00:37:26.57\00:37:28.28
and I'm sure
someone's out there,
00:37:28.31\00:37:29.64
maybe somewhere on the
road where you've been through
00:37:29.68\00:37:32.11
you know, but the end result is
00:37:32.18\00:37:34.65
you've changed your life...
00:37:34.68\00:37:36.35
you're... you're...
you're acknowledging...
00:37:36.38\00:37:39.15
in the Bible
there's a commandment...
00:37:39.19\00:37:41.29
the fifth commandment, it says,
00:37:41.32\00:37:42.66
"Honor thy
father and thy mother:
00:37:42.69\00:37:44.03
that thy days may
be long upon the land
00:37:44.06\00:37:45.69
which the LORD thy
God giveth thee... "
00:37:45.73\00:37:47.26
that's with a promise...
00:37:47.30\00:37:48.63
so, you can live longer
because you're healthier.
00:37:48.66\00:37:50.30
Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:37:50.33\00:37:51.67
John: You know,
God wants that for you
00:37:51.70\00:37:53.40
if you listen
to your mom and dad
00:37:53.44\00:37:54.77
yeah, you've gone
through experiencing it,
00:37:54.80\00:37:57.57
now, looking back,
00:37:57.61\00:37:58.94
do you think you would have
done things differently now?
00:37:58.97\00:38:00.84
Kathlyn: Oh of course,
absolutely, I... there...
00:38:00.88\00:38:03.45
you know, I don't want to look
in the rear-view mirror too much
00:38:03.48\00:38:06.75
because then you're
not going to look forward
00:38:06.78\00:38:08.12
but, I am one of those people...
00:38:08.15\00:38:10.12
there's a quote I love, it says,
00:38:10.19\00:38:12.09
"You should only look back
to see how far you've come. "
00:38:12.12\00:38:14.12
So, I look back to
see how far I've come
00:38:14.16\00:38:15.92
but I also want to
help people, you know,
00:38:15.96\00:38:18.66
and most recently,
I've been in... at...
00:38:18.69\00:38:21.33
kind of... you can call it
interning at a Gerson Clinic
00:38:21.36\00:38:23.87
the Gerson Therapy
is something that...
00:38:23.90\00:38:25.63
is now my new layer of
health that I've reached
00:38:25.67\00:38:28.04
and it's in Mexico and
it's Northern Baja Gerson Center
00:38:28.07\00:38:31.71
and when I was at that clinic
00:38:31.74\00:38:33.94
I kind of reached
a new level of health
00:38:33.98\00:38:36.24
because I was in
taking 13 juices a day,
00:38:36.28\00:38:38.45
and there's just so many
other different health protocols
00:38:38.48\00:38:42.05
that I learned
there and the... the...
00:38:42.08\00:38:45.09
there was an
interview that I heard
00:38:45.12\00:38:48.06
with the man who
started the clinic, Dr. Vickers,
00:38:48.09\00:38:51.26
and also, one of the
patients who healed his cancer
00:38:51.29\00:38:54.40
by doing the therapy for a year,
00:38:54.43\00:38:55.76
and he said, "A healthy
man has many ambitions...
00:38:55.80\00:38:59.47
a sick man has only one
and that's to get healthy. "
00:38:59.50\00:39:03.27
Rosemary: That's right.
00:39:03.30\00:39:04.64
John: It's a very profound thing
isn't it? Profound thought...
00:39:04.67\00:39:06.51
Kathlyn: It is.
00:39:06.54\00:39:07.88
John: And it's
true because when you...
00:39:07.91\00:39:09.24
when you're
suffering from an illness,
00:39:09.28\00:39:10.61
what do you think
about continuously?
00:39:10.65\00:39:13.31
"I wish this
wasn't happening to me...
00:39:13.35\00:39:15.92
I wish I could do
something about it. "
00:39:15.95\00:39:18.49
Rosemary: Well, a lot of the
time what you think about is,
00:39:18.52\00:39:20.52
how sick you feel.
John: Yeah, that's right.
00:39:20.56\00:39:22.06
Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm...
and so, when I heard that quote,
00:39:22.12\00:39:24.03
it was almost like... I
was like, "Oh, now I... "
00:39:24.06\00:39:25.93
like, just because
sometimes, you know,
00:39:25.96\00:39:28.40
I felt I have to explain to
people, like what I'm doing...
00:39:28.43\00:39:31.10
like, "Wait, you're
going to be a WWOOFER on Maui?"
00:39:31.13\00:39:33.60
"You're going to some
Gerson Clinic in Mexico?"
00:39:33.64\00:39:36.07
like, "What are you
doing with your life?"
00:39:36.10\00:39:37.44
What people don't understand
is when you're not well,
00:39:37.47\00:39:39.34
all you want is to be well
00:39:39.37\00:39:41.48
and I want to have kids someday,
00:39:41.51\00:39:43.35
I want to have babies...
I want to get married...
00:39:43.38\00:39:45.81
I have to be well
before that happens, you know,
00:39:45.85\00:39:48.25
and I started reading
"Country Living" By Ellen White
00:39:48.28\00:39:51.29
and I started reading,
"Diseases and Its Causes"
00:39:51.32\00:39:53.59
and those two books
really changed my life
00:39:53.62\00:39:55.59
and I encourage everyone to
read: Diseases and Its Causes
00:39:55.62\00:39:58.39
and Country Living
00:39:58.43\00:39:59.76
and if you don't
like Ellen White, read it
00:39:59.79\00:40:01.13
because I didn't like
Ellen White for most of my life,
00:40:01.16\00:40:02.83
I didn't...
00:40:02.86\00:40:04.20
John: She was an author...
wrote many, many books,
00:40:04.23\00:40:08.54
and the knowledge that
she recorded in her books
00:40:08.57\00:40:12.97
really are now
being proven by Science.
00:40:13.01\00:40:15.31
So, you know, the
evidence is there...
00:40:15.34\00:40:17.55
we only need to open
our eyes and have a look...
00:40:17.58\00:40:20.12
you know, I
thought of this thought,
00:40:20.15\00:40:22.22
you said, I
heard this saying once,
00:40:22.25\00:40:24.29
"You are what you eat,
don't eat dead meat... "
00:40:24.32\00:40:27.02
you get it?
00:40:27.06\00:40:28.39
Kathlyn: I like that.
00:40:28.42\00:40:29.76
Rosemary: That was on a
T-Shirt from the Vegan Society
00:40:29.79\00:40:32.03
in the USA and Dr.
Winston Craig was wearing it
00:40:32.06\00:40:36.13
when he had his 50th birthday
quite a number of years ago,
00:40:36.16\00:40:38.90
and I just loved that T-Shirt...
00:40:38.93\00:40:41.84
it just spoke amazing words,
00:40:41.90\00:40:44.74
"You are what you
eat... don't eat dead meat. "
00:40:44.77\00:40:48.61
Kathlyn: Yeah,
eat raw living foods
00:40:48.64\00:40:50.55
and I'm not a 100% raw foodist
00:40:50.58\00:40:52.15
like, there are a
couple of those on YouTube,
00:40:52.18\00:40:53.92
I've seen their stuff,
that's kind of hard for me,
00:40:53.95\00:40:56.22
like, I want to eat
Quinoa sometimes or baked potato
00:40:56.25\00:40:58.45
I don't have a
problem with cooked food
00:40:58.49\00:41:00.26
but I do think that you can
eat a lot of raw fresh foods
00:41:00.29\00:41:03.59
and that's kind of, you know...
00:41:03.63\00:41:05.09
I turned 30 two
years ago, I'm 32 now,
00:41:05.13\00:41:07.46
people think I'm 19
and I just say, "Thank you"
00:41:07.50\00:41:10.07
but when I turned 30... a
woman asked me if I was 16
00:41:10.13\00:41:14.97
and I'm telling you, like,
00:41:15.00\00:41:16.57
people are looking for
this, like, fountain of youth
00:41:16.60\00:41:19.41
it starts with what
you put in your body.
00:41:19.44\00:41:21.58
John: Yeah.
Kathlyn: And in your mind.
00:41:21.64\00:41:23.18
John: That's
right. Rosemary: Hmmm...
00:41:23.21\00:41:24.71
and what you put in your body,
00:41:24.75\00:41:26.68
affects what you
put in your mind.
00:41:26.72\00:41:28.72
Kathleen: Absolutely.
00:41:28.75\00:41:30.09
Rosemary: It affects your
mind in a very dramatic way
00:41:30.12\00:41:33.15
and that's something
we've been finding out
00:41:33.22\00:41:34.86
even on this Program,
00:41:34.89\00:41:36.22
we've interviewed people
like Chad and Fadia Kreuzer
00:41:36.26\00:41:39.56
and Dr. Carly Enjuku
00:41:39.59\00:41:42.43
and people who
have learned a lot...
00:41:42.46\00:41:45.40
Eddie Ramirez... Dr.
Eddie Ramirez from Wiemer
00:41:45.43\00:41:48.17
and they're
finding more and more
00:41:48.20\00:41:51.57
that your gut has to be healthy
00:41:51.61\00:41:54.91
for your brain to
function properly.
00:41:54.94\00:41:56.91
Kathlyn: Absolutely, yeah.
00:41:56.95\00:41:58.28
Rosemary: And if
your gut's not healthy,
00:41:58.31\00:41:59.65
your brain is only going to...
00:41:59.68\00:42:01.25
it's... it's not
going to work properly...
00:42:01.28\00:42:03.08
it's going to affect you badly.
00:42:03.12\00:42:04.49
John: Even more and more
Science is revealing the gut
00:42:04.55\00:42:05.92
and brain connection,
00:42:05.95\00:42:07.29
there is definitely
a connection between it
00:42:07.32\00:42:08.69
and I know from
my own experience,
00:42:08.72\00:42:10.83
I grew up eating lots of
flesh-food products as a kid,
00:42:10.86\00:42:15.66
I've changed that now
and, you know, it's...
00:42:15.70\00:42:18.63
it's really encouraging to
know that if you eat well...
00:42:18.67\00:42:22.34
you drink water
00:42:22.37\00:42:23.71
and you keep all those things
that are pure and good for you,
00:42:23.74\00:42:27.88
foremost... your
health really improves.
00:42:27.94\00:42:30.88
Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:42:30.91\00:42:32.25
John: And the lifestyle...
00:42:32.28\00:42:33.62
most of the
diseases now are lifestyle...
00:42:33.65\00:42:34.98
it's what we eat
that causes the problems
00:42:35.02\00:42:36.55
and we don't exercise... we
don't do those sorts of things
00:42:36.58\00:42:39.75
that's what's causing the
issues now in this... you know,
00:42:39.79\00:42:42.62
in this... in this
century now that we live in.
00:42:42.66\00:42:44.39
Kathlyn: Yeah.
00:42:44.43\00:42:45.76
John: It's lifestyle-related
diseases and...
00:42:45.79\00:42:48.36
and I see the importance of it
00:42:48.43\00:42:50.43
you know, and I like the
idea that you want to share
00:42:50.47\00:42:52.57
what you've learned
00:42:52.60\00:42:54.30
because young people
need to know that, you know,
00:42:54.34\00:42:56.50
chocolate... oh, it tastes
nice and it's very addictive
00:42:56.54\00:42:59.44
but you know
it's not good for you.
00:42:59.47\00:43:00.81
Rosemary: I was a chocoholic.
Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm... me too.
00:43:00.84\00:43:04.38
Rosemary: And I
am really grateful
00:43:04.41\00:43:05.75
that when I decided...
chocolate is bad for me,
00:43:05.78\00:43:10.39
it's full of a lot of bad
stuff, let alone the caffeine,
00:43:10.42\00:43:14.16
and I shouldn't eat that...
00:43:14.19\00:43:16.59
God gave me the
ability cold turkey...
00:43:16.62\00:43:20.86
to go off chocolate...
00:43:20.90\00:43:22.23
to take away that
desire completely,
00:43:22.26\00:43:24.70
God can do that if we
want to do the right thing...
00:43:24.73\00:43:27.54
that's 24 years ago.
00:43:27.57\00:43:29.80
John: The other thing too is
we... going extreme on one thing
00:43:29.84\00:43:32.24
even vegan food and juicing...
00:43:32.27\00:43:34.34
if you're
extreme on those things,
00:43:34.38\00:43:35.98
it still can be harmful to you.
00:43:36.01\00:43:37.55
What God is saying...
He's giving us a balanced view,
00:43:37.61\00:43:41.75
you know, in the eight laws
of health that you talk about,
00:43:41.78\00:43:44.65
it's not only food,
it's talking about rest,
00:43:44.69\00:43:47.12
how much rest do you have...
00:43:47.16\00:43:48.76
how much water you
drink... fresh air...
00:43:48.79\00:43:50.53
and, you know,
there's another one...
00:43:50.56\00:43:52.26
Rosemary: Sunshine...
00:43:52.29\00:43:53.63
John: Sunshine...
all those aspects...
00:43:53.66\00:43:55.63
would say a
Creator God who made us...
00:43:55.66\00:43:57.63
He knows what's best for us,
00:43:57.67\00:43:59.00
and we've just got
to be willing to say,
00:43:59.03\00:44:01.00
"Well, God, if You made me,
00:44:01.07\00:44:02.54
what is it that You
want me to do in my life
00:44:02.57\00:44:07.18
so that I can live healthfully?"
00:44:07.21\00:44:08.91
And you know what,
it's very simple...
00:44:08.94\00:44:10.61
God's diet is very simple,
00:44:10.65\00:44:12.68
His whole... you
know He gave us rest...
00:44:12.71\00:44:15.08
you know, sleep the normal hours
00:44:15.12\00:44:16.89
that you're required to sleep,
00:44:16.92\00:44:18.25
all the pressures and anxieties
disappear... they do...
00:44:18.29\00:44:21.32
they disappear when we
follow those basic principles
00:44:21.36\00:44:24.56
that God has given to us
00:44:24.59\00:44:25.93
to be a happy,
healthy and normal person.
00:44:25.96\00:44:27.96
Kathlyn: Yeah,
isn't there that verse,
00:44:28.00\00:44:30.17
"Taste and see that
the Lord is good... "
00:44:30.20\00:44:31.53
John: There is.
00:44:31.57\00:44:32.90
Kathlyn: Taste...
not just eat... taste...
00:44:32.93\00:44:34.27
God wants us to taste...
00:44:34.30\00:44:35.64
imagine how good the mangoes
are going to taste in heaven,
00:44:35.67\00:44:37.01
you know...
00:44:37.04\00:44:38.37
Rosemary: I know
I think about that.
00:44:38.41\00:44:39.74
Kathlyn: I tell myself the same
thing when I struggle with...
00:44:39.77\00:44:41.41
because I had a sweet
tooth... I was a sugar addict...
00:44:41.44\00:44:44.28
no, really... I...
skittles and snickers and like,
00:44:44.31\00:44:47.12
I realize... my acne was
probably all sugar related
00:44:47.15\00:44:49.92
and I had to find
alternative desserts
00:44:49.95\00:44:53.62
and just ask my family...
00:44:53.66\00:44:55.22
I was just at the Gerson
Clinic I told you in Mexico
00:44:55.26\00:44:58.13
and it was my
boyfriend's birthday
00:44:58.19\00:44:59.96
and we made... I
helped the Chef make
00:45:00.00\00:45:01.73
a carrot cake made with carrots
00:45:01.76\00:45:04.40
and apple
sauce... and it was vegan.
00:45:04.43\00:45:06.77
John: It's delicious.
00:45:06.80\00:45:08.14
Kathlyn: It was
delicious and it was so healthy
00:45:08.17\00:45:09.50
and just put a
little bit of maple syrup...
00:45:09.54\00:45:10.87
I put a little bit
extra because you know...
00:45:10.91\00:45:12.24
but you know, like, and I make
an avocado chocolate mousse,
00:45:12.27\00:45:15.98
have you tried it yet?
00:45:16.01\00:45:17.35
Rosemary: No... John: No...
00:45:17.38\00:45:18.71
Kathlyn: I might have to
make it for you while I'm here.
00:45:18.75\00:45:20.08
Rosemary: Chocolate
mousse? Kathlyn: It's avocado...
00:45:20.12\00:45:21.45
and I use carob.
Rosemary: Yes, so do I.
00:45:21.48\00:45:22.92
Kathlyn: Carob or Cacao...
00:45:22.95\00:45:24.29
but you know,
honestly, the caffeine in cacao
00:45:24.32\00:45:25.65
makes me kind of ooo at
night, like, I can't sleep.
00:45:25.69\00:45:27.02
John: Sign difference.
00:45:27.06\00:45:29.12
Rosemary: It's the same
thing like taking the chocolate.
00:45:29.16\00:45:31.26
Kathlyn: Oh it
is? Rosemary: Hmmm...
00:45:31.29\00:45:32.66
Kathlyn: Well, yeah, I just
learned something, okay, yeah,
00:45:32.69\00:45:34.06
so, carob... I do carob...
00:45:34.10\00:45:35.46
and then you get
the avocado, maple syrup
00:45:35.50\00:45:37.20
and you put a
little bit of coconut...
00:45:37.23\00:45:38.90
you know, even though I learned,
00:45:38.93\00:45:40.27
I was eating a lot of
coconut butter and coconut oil,
00:45:40.30\00:45:42.30
and at the Gerson
Clinic, I realized...
00:45:42.34\00:45:44.31
I found out that coconut...
00:45:44.34\00:45:45.77
too much coconut oil isn't
actually very good for you.
00:45:45.81\00:45:47.81
John: That's what I was
saying earlier, it's a balance.
00:45:47.84\00:45:49.84
You can have too
much... even if good
00:45:49.88\00:45:52.01
as well as bad...
00:45:52.05\00:45:53.58
so, it's really
knowing what is best for you
00:45:53.62\00:45:57.22
and staying with that
00:45:57.25\00:45:58.59
and it's not extremes...
00:45:58.62\00:45:59.95
it's just being
moderate in all things.
00:45:59.99\00:46:01.82
Rosemary: Yeah,
well, actually it's
00:46:01.86\00:46:04.03
moderation in that which is good
00:46:04.06\00:46:06.16
and abstinence in those
things that are not good.
00:46:06.19\00:46:09.06
Kathlyn: Yeah.
00:46:09.10\00:46:10.43
Rosemary: So, even
those things that are good,
00:46:10.47\00:46:11.90
don't overindulge and don't
get so hooked on one aspect
00:46:11.93\00:46:18.54
that you become
really obsessive about it
00:46:18.57\00:46:23.55
and it takes over your
life and becomes your god.
00:46:23.58\00:46:25.35
Kathlyn: Yeah.
00:46:25.38\00:46:26.72
Rosemary: You have
to balance everything
00:46:26.75\00:46:28.38
and do everything in moderation.
00:46:28.45\00:46:30.55
John: Hmmm...
00:46:30.59\00:46:31.92
Kathlyn: Isn't there a verse,
00:46:31.95\00:46:33.29
"Let your moderation
be known unto all men...
00:46:33.32\00:46:34.66
the Lord is at hand. "
Is it Philippians 4: 7 or 8?
00:46:34.69\00:46:36.99
Yeah, "Let your moderation
be known to all men... "
00:46:37.03\00:46:39.59
Rosemary: Not 7 or 8 though,
not Philippians 4:6, 7 and 8,
00:46:39.63\00:46:42.93
I know they're in
but they're not the ones
00:46:42.96\00:46:44.43
but there is a
verse that says that.
00:46:44.47\00:46:45.83
Kathlyn: Okay, okay
and so I love that verse
00:46:45.87\00:46:48.80
because I think that we live
in a very gluttonous society
00:46:48.84\00:46:51.54
and it's, you know,
people are overeating
00:46:51.57\00:46:55.14
like, themselves to death
00:46:55.18\00:46:56.61
and so, it's very important
that and you know, the whole,
00:46:56.64\00:46:59.25
not eating in between meals...
00:46:59.28\00:47:00.62
that's something I've
really tried to incorporate
00:47:00.65\00:47:02.32
into my life... and
that's hard because...
00:47:02.35\00:47:04.92
hmmm... should I eat now?
00:47:04.95\00:47:07.56
Because if I eat now, then
can I eat lunch in two hours?
00:47:07.59\00:47:10.43
because I want four
hours of... you know...
00:47:10.46\00:47:12.03
so, that's something
I still struggle with
00:47:12.06\00:47:13.63
because the eating in
between meals, you know,
00:47:13.66\00:47:15.23
but I don't want to so...
00:47:15.26\00:47:16.60
Rosemary: I... I actually
haven't found it that hard.
00:47:16.63\00:47:19.80
Kathlyn: Okay,
yeah, I think it's because
00:47:19.83\00:47:22.10
when I was working in
the restaurant industry,
00:47:22.14\00:47:23.84
it was very hard
to find a regular...
00:47:23.87\00:47:25.64
John: Hmmm...
00:47:25.67\00:47:27.21
Rosemary: Your dad told
me one time when he rang,
00:47:27.24\00:47:29.71
he's rung a few times and
we've rung him a couple of times
00:47:29.74\00:47:34.28
and he was saying that when you
were working at the restaurant
00:47:34.32\00:47:38.82
in Hawaii
00:47:38.85\00:47:40.62
that he was really
proud of you for telling them
00:47:40.66\00:47:45.06
that you wanted the Sabbath off.
00:47:45.09\00:47:47.23
Kathlyn: Oh wow, I
never knew that he felt that.
00:47:47.26\00:47:49.30
Rosemary: That's
what you did isn't it?
00:47:49.33\00:47:50.67
Kathlyn: Yeah, I did,
I told the restaurant...
00:47:50.70\00:47:52.30
because if I was going
to tell the WWOOFing people
00:47:52.33\00:47:54.10
then, I'd have to
tell the restaurant
00:47:54.14\00:47:55.47
and I said, "I want to... "
00:47:55.50\00:47:57.04
Rosemary: And that's really
hard to do in a restaurant...
00:47:57.07\00:47:58.57
to tell them.
00:47:58.61\00:47:59.94
Kathlyn: Yeah, and
it's really hard to do
00:47:59.97\00:48:01.64
when you are alone
and you don't have...
00:48:01.68\00:48:03.28
like, your Principal... like, I
grew up in Adventist schools...
00:48:03.31\00:48:05.48
Adventist bubble...
00:48:05.51\00:48:06.85
my dad always made
that decision for me
00:48:06.88\00:48:08.22
or the schools always made that
decision for me, all of a sudden
00:48:08.25\00:48:09.88
John: Now you
have to do it yourself.
00:48:09.92\00:48:11.25
Kathlyn: I had
to do it for myself
00:48:11.29\00:48:12.62
and people were like,
00:48:12.65\00:48:14.16
"Okay, so you're like
some kind of Cinderella...
00:48:14.19\00:48:15.92
like, as soon as the sun goes
down... like, you can't work...
00:48:15.96\00:48:18.63
but then you come back on
Sunday like, all refreshed,
00:48:18.66\00:48:20.96
like, what's going on?"
00:48:21.00\00:48:22.33
And... so a lot of my friends
didn't understand it at first
00:48:22.36\00:48:25.90
but you know, it was
very important for me
00:48:25.93\00:48:28.40
and it still... the Sabbath
is still very important for me
00:48:28.44\00:48:30.51
and to tell you the truth,
00:48:30.54\00:48:31.87
I still find
myself struggling with,
00:48:31.91\00:48:35.68
"Okay, can I do this on
the Sabbath... can I do that?"
00:48:35.71\00:48:37.35
But I have tried my best to
follow from what I've learned
00:48:37.38\00:48:41.28
how to keep the
Sabbath, you know.
00:48:41.32\00:48:42.65
John: I like that in
the NEWSTART Program,
00:48:42.68\00:48:44.65
the eight laws of
health, there's: Trust in God
00:48:44.69\00:48:47.59
there's a spiritual
side to our well-being also
00:48:47.62\00:48:50.53
and, you know,
when we understand that,
00:48:50.56\00:48:52.79
we can call upon God
if there are problems
00:48:52.83\00:48:55.26
and He can do
extraordinary things,
00:48:55.30\00:48:57.40
he's a miracle-working
God and He can heal people.
00:48:57.43\00:48:59.90
Rosemary: And He can
help us get the Sabbath off...
00:48:59.93\00:49:02.40
Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:49:02.44\00:49:03.77
John: But it's
interesting because
00:49:03.81\00:49:05.67
having the Sabbath off
is also a day of rest...
00:49:05.71\00:49:08.11
it's called, "A day of rest... "
00:49:08.14\00:49:09.74
and that's where we don't
do the normal work that we do
00:49:09.81\00:49:13.45
in the other six
days of the week,
00:49:13.48\00:49:15.68
so, we set aside
to worship God...
00:49:15.72\00:49:17.85
that's the primary
purpose to acknowledge Him
00:49:17.92\00:49:20.16
as our Creator and our God,
00:49:20.19\00:49:21.62
but at the same time, we
receive a benefit from it,
00:49:21.66\00:49:25.06
we also receive the
blessing of God from it
00:49:25.09\00:49:27.70
which I want
above everything else.
00:49:27.73\00:49:29.10
Kathlyn: Yeah.
00:49:29.13\00:49:30.47
Rosemary: You know, I used
to really enjoy our Sabbaths
00:49:30.50\00:49:32.03
in Bangkok
00:49:32.07\00:49:33.80
because we would have
Sabbath School and church
00:49:33.84\00:49:36.60
and there was the choir
00:49:36.64\00:49:37.97
and sometimes I
had to lead the choir
00:49:38.01\00:49:40.24
which I found
really difficult myself
00:49:40.28\00:49:42.71
but then we would go
to your place for lunch
00:49:42.74\00:49:45.45
then after lunch, we would
go and sing in the hospital,
00:49:45.48\00:49:50.05
do you remember doing that?
00:49:50.09\00:49:52.05
Kathlyn: Oh yeah,
I do... I do, yeah.
00:49:52.09\00:49:53.62
Rosemary: And every Sabbath,
00:49:53.66\00:49:54.99
we would be
going to all the Wards
00:49:55.02\00:49:58.06
and singing in
the... the hallways.
00:49:58.09\00:49:59.86
John: That was a
big hospital too.
00:49:59.89\00:50:01.60
Rosemary: And praying for the
patients... praying with them
00:50:01.66\00:50:05.17
and you know, there
were two old ladies,
00:50:05.20\00:50:07.67
you may remember them,
00:50:07.70\00:50:09.04
one had been a
doctor at one stage
00:50:09.07\00:50:10.91
but they were basically confined
to their hospital bed now
00:50:10.94\00:50:15.14
as really old ladies...
they were in the same room
00:50:15.18\00:50:19.45
and they always
appreciated us going in there,
00:50:19.48\00:50:23.25
the one who had been the doctor
was starting to lose her mind
00:50:23.28\00:50:26.29
but the other dear old
lady used to love to see us
00:50:26.32\00:50:28.66
and we would pray with them...
00:50:28.69\00:50:30.53
they were Buddhists but
they appreciated our prayers
00:50:30.56\00:50:33.19
and do you know,
when we left Bangkok
00:50:33.23\00:50:36.40
and we went back...
00:50:36.43\00:50:38.30
in 2003... we left
at the end of 2001...
00:50:38.33\00:50:44.57
we went back in 2003... and
that old lady was still there
00:50:44.61\00:50:49.71
and on Sabbath,
we joined the group
00:50:49.74\00:50:51.95
and we went and prayed...
we sang in the passage ways...
00:50:51.98\00:50:55.85
the same Thai songs and English
songs that we used to sing
00:50:55.88\00:50:59.72
and we... it was just a
beautiful way to spend Sabbath,
00:50:59.75\00:51:03.12
it's a perfect
way to spend Sabbath
00:51:03.16\00:51:05.19
and when we went into that room,
00:51:05.23\00:51:08.40
she lit up and
she started speaking
00:51:08.46\00:51:11.57
and the Thais there
said, "She recognizes you
00:51:11.60\00:51:15.27
and she's so excited
to see you again... "
00:51:15.30\00:51:18.54
this is couple of...
nearly two years later...
00:51:18.57\00:51:22.98
and she recognized us
as having been going around
00:51:23.01\00:51:27.38
and singing all those
Sabbaths when we were in Bangkok
00:51:27.42\00:51:31.22
and she was so happy.
00:51:31.25\00:51:32.59
Kathlyn: That's so special...
00:51:32.62\00:51:34.26
Rosemary: It was very special...
00:51:34.29\00:51:35.99
I didn't... I didn't
think she'd ever recognize us.
00:51:36.02\00:51:38.23
Kathlyn: Wow,
yeah, yeah, you know,
00:51:38.29\00:51:40.63
there's a lot of great
things to do on the Sabbath,
00:51:40.66\00:51:42.33
like, you mentioned, singing...
00:51:42.36\00:51:44.70
and one thing I
did when I was on Maui
00:51:44.73\00:51:47.47
because I sometimes
didn't have a lot of people
00:51:47.50\00:51:49.20
to keep the Sabbath with,
00:51:49.24\00:51:50.64
I would just go on hikes
00:51:50.67\00:51:52.01
and I started to really
appreciate my alone time
00:51:52.04\00:51:54.58
at this stage in my life
and I just memorized Scripture
00:51:54.61\00:51:57.01
which I know... I got the
Scripture wrong earlier, so...
00:51:57.05\00:51:59.41
I would say, I have
some more work to do
00:51:59.45\00:52:01.52
in memorizing my Scripture
00:52:01.55\00:52:02.95
but I loved to
memorize Scripture
00:52:02.98\00:52:04.32
and even some Ellen
White quotes and just quotes
00:52:04.35\00:52:06.22
and go for a walk so...
and like you said, you know,
00:52:06.25\00:52:08.32
singing for people
who aren't well and
00:52:08.36\00:52:11.36
yeah, like you
said, it's a day of rest
00:52:11.39\00:52:14.36
and it's...
00:52:14.40\00:52:15.73
Rosemary: It's a day to
make other people happy.
00:52:15.76\00:52:17.10
Kathlyn: Yeah... yeah...
00:52:17.17\00:52:18.50
Rosemary: To worship
God and to let people know
00:52:18.53\00:52:21.20
that God cares for them
by showing them that care.
00:52:21.27\00:52:23.97
Kathlyn: Yeah,
yeah... absolutely.
00:52:24.01\00:52:25.34
Rosemary: We like to visit
people on Sabbath, don't we?
00:52:25.37\00:52:27.84
John: Yup...
00:52:27.88\00:52:29.21
Rosemary: But right now,
it's time that we have to give
00:52:29.24\00:52:32.71
you our contact details.
00:52:32.75\00:52:34.12
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00:52:34.15\00:52:36.99
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00:52:37.02\00:52:38.95
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00:52:38.99\00:52:41.99
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00:52:42.02\00:52:43.89
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00:52:43.93\00:52:45.96
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00:52:45.99\00:52:48.83
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Pause...
00:53:54.60\00:53:57.07
Rosemary: I hope you
wrote those details down
00:53:57.10\00:53:59.50
and that you do contact us
00:53:59.53\00:54:00.87
because we love to hear
from people who are watching
00:54:00.90\00:54:03.64
any of our programs that we
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00:54:03.67\00:54:07.34
and we're really glad
that you enjoy this Program,
00:54:07.38\00:54:10.41
a lot of people tell
us they do, don't they?
00:54:10.45\00:54:12.25
John: That's right.
00:54:12.31\00:54:13.65
Rosemary: So, please contact us.
00:54:13.68\00:54:15.02
We're talking with
Kathlyn Wolpin from the US.
00:54:15.05\00:54:17.75
Kathlyn: From everywhere...
00:54:17.79\00:54:19.12
Rosemary: From everywhere...
she's a missionary kid
00:54:19.15\00:54:23.32
and we're talking
about how God has helped her
00:54:23.39\00:54:27.43
with her health
by bringing her home
00:54:27.46\00:54:30.47
to His message of... of health.
00:54:30.53\00:54:33.34
I want to ask you a question,
00:54:33.40\00:54:36.94
"What do you
think about your dad
00:54:36.97\00:54:40.44
and what he tried to teach
you and what you have learnt now
00:54:40.48\00:54:46.72
as a... as you've grown up?"
00:54:46.75\00:54:48.75
Kathlyn: Hmmm... well, I think
00:54:48.78\00:54:50.72
the greatest role anyone
can have is to be a parent
00:54:50.75\00:54:53.92
and I'm
appreciative to both my parents
00:54:53.96\00:54:56.06
for the life
that they've given me
00:54:56.09\00:54:57.69
and the faith and
home that I was raised in.
00:54:57.73\00:55:00.16
What I think of my
dad now is that he's...
00:55:00.20\00:55:02.63
like, the coolest person I know
00:55:02.66\00:55:04.00
and I know that he's
going to be in heaven
00:55:04.03\00:55:07.70
and I sure want to
be there with him, so...
00:55:07.74\00:55:10.41
Rosemary: And you
were saying before to us
00:55:10.44\00:55:12.87
that he's the
person you always call...
00:55:12.91\00:55:14.81
Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:55:14.84\00:55:16.18
Rosemary: And he's
always there for you.
00:55:16.21\00:55:17.55
Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:55:17.58\00:55:18.91
Rosemary: And the one person
you can... you can rely on
00:55:18.95\00:55:21.68
to help you out
in any situation.
00:55:21.75\00:55:23.08
Kathlyn: Yeah.
00:55:23.12\00:55:24.45
Rosemary: No matter
where you are in the world.
00:55:24.49\00:55:25.82
Kathlyn: Yeah,
sorry, I cry every time
00:55:25.85\00:55:27.19
I talk about my dad...
00:55:27.22\00:55:28.56
and my mom too...
they're both very special.
00:55:28.59\00:55:30.83
Rosemary: Yes.
00:55:30.86\00:55:32.19
Kathlyn: But you
know, a lot of people say,
00:55:32.23\00:55:34.56
"Why aren't you married
00:55:34.60\00:55:35.93
and how have you
not been married yet?"
00:55:35.96\00:55:37.30
First of all, you know,
just with the life I've lived,
00:55:37.33\00:55:40.17
I moved around a
lot but my health issues
00:55:40.24\00:55:43.07
but also you know,
it's hard finding someone
00:55:43.10\00:55:45.94
who's as amazing as your dad
00:55:45.97\00:55:47.31
and when I think about
how wonderful and loyal he is
00:55:47.34\00:55:51.41
just not just to his
family but to God first,
00:55:51.45\00:55:53.78
that's very
special and I think that
00:55:53.82\00:55:55.88
the greatest gift
I can give my child
00:55:55.92\00:55:57.89
is to marry someone who'll
be as good as a father to them
00:55:57.92\00:56:01.86
as my father has
been to me... so...
00:56:01.89\00:56:03.89
John: Hmmm... so
he... you look back
00:56:03.93\00:56:05.83
and you look at the
qualities of your dad...
00:56:05.86\00:56:07.70
those qualities really
reflect the character of God.
00:56:07.76\00:56:10.63
Kathlyn: Oh absolutely.
00:56:10.67\00:56:12.00
John: And so, you know,
if we as parents can emulate
00:56:12.03\00:56:14.97
to our children and
reveal the character of God,
00:56:15.00\00:56:18.17
we've achieved a lot.
00:56:18.21\00:56:19.54
Sometimes, if we
are blind as children
00:56:19.57\00:56:21.94
we don't see it...
00:56:21.98\00:56:23.31
you know, we don't see
what God is trying to do for me
00:56:23.35\00:56:26.25
or what dad is
trying to do for you
00:56:26.28\00:56:28.58
or your mom is
trying to do for you,
00:56:28.62\00:56:30.99
they teach and do
the best they can.
00:56:31.05\00:56:32.89
Kathlyn: Yeah.
00:56:32.92\00:56:34.42
John: You know, Kathlyn, there
are probably some young people
00:56:34.46\00:56:37.69
that are watching this Program
and you've gone through a lot
00:56:37.73\00:56:41.06
and you realize how important
it is to listen to mom and dad,
00:56:41.10\00:56:44.43
what would you say
to a young person now
00:56:44.47\00:56:46.27
if they are
struggling with things
00:56:46.33\00:56:47.77
thinking they're
missing out on the good things
00:56:47.80\00:56:49.47
this world is offering?
00:56:49.50\00:56:50.84
Kathlyn: Yeah, I think that
what I would tell a young person
00:56:50.87\00:56:54.21
who probably wants to rebel
00:56:54.24\00:56:56.08
or doesn't appreciate
their mom or dad is just to say
00:56:56.14\00:56:58.48
that go travel to
some third-world country...
00:56:58.51\00:57:04.35
be alone for a bit... don't
stay in the comforts of home,
00:57:04.39\00:57:08.52
do a gap year... see
how most of the world lives
00:57:08.56\00:57:11.03
because we are so pampered
in our first-world countries
00:57:11.06\00:57:14.10
and you'll see how hard your
parents have sacrificed for you
00:57:14.16\00:57:17.73
and also read the Bible
00:57:17.80\00:57:19.80
because the Bible says
to honor your parents...
00:57:19.83\00:57:21.60
to honor your
father and your mother
00:57:21.64\00:57:23.61
and some day you're
going to be a parent too
00:57:23.64\00:57:25.57
so... you know.
00:57:25.61\00:57:26.94
Rosemary: Well,
what you need to do is
00:57:26.98\00:57:28.74
listen to your mom and dad
00:57:28.78\00:57:30.35
even if you want
to do other things,
00:57:30.38\00:57:32.61
know that they're
looking out for your best good.
00:57:32.65\00:57:34.38
John: Hmmm... Kathlyn: Yeah.
00:57:34.42\00:57:35.75
Rosemary: And trying to
help you. Kathlyn: Yeah.
00:57:35.78\00:57:37.12
Rosemary: I hope you've really
enjoyed this talk with Kathlyn,
00:57:37.15\00:57:39.65
I know that I have
00:57:39.69\00:57:41.02
and I appreciate
what she has to say to us
00:57:41.06\00:57:43.09
and we'll see you next time.
00:57:43.12\00:57:44.56