This is 3ABN Now
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with John and
Rosemary Malkiewycz.
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Hello and welcome to 3ABN Now.
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So good to have you
watch these programs each week.
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And if you're watching the first
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want to welcome you especially.
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Today we are very privileged
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to have someone from a part
of the world that we've never
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interviewed anyone before
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and his name is George Kwong.
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George: it's a real pleasure
to have you here on the program
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because... Where
do you come from?
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Thank you, John.
I'm so happy to be here.
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I come from
Fiji... the island of Fiji.
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It's in the South Pacific
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and it's about four
hours' flight from Sydney. Yes.
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So you were here
for a health convention,
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is that right? I
came down to attend the...
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the Lifestyle Medicine Summit
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that was run by the
South Pacific Division.
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And I was happy to be a resource
personnel in that Summit.
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So let us... Before
we get into the program,
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George, there's a
text that you have chosen
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with us... to share with
us and that is Isaiah 58:12.
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And Rosemary, would you
read that? I certainly will.
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Isaiah 58:12 says:
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"And they that shall be of thee
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shall build the
old waste places.
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Thou shalt raise up the
foundations of many generations
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and thou shalt be called
the repairer of the breach,
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the restorer of
paths to dwell in. "
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That's a very optimistic-
sounding verse, isn't it?
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I like Isaiah 58.
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Isaiah 58... you know, it's a...
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it's a chapter
that's speaking to me.
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Um-hmm. And if you
look at the very first verse
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it says: "Cry aloud. " Um-hmm.
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It's like you have an
amplifier and it's telling me
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as a SDA that we have
this very special message.
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That somewhere along
the line we have lost it
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and we are called to be
the repairer of the breach.
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That's right! I like that.
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Ones that "restore
the paths to dwell in. "
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Exactly. Very good.
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We have this calling
and that is my passion.
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That's the verse that drives me,
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that keeps me working
and working and working
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because I know I have
a special responsibility.
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That's right. For thousands
of years the Bible tells us
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the devil has been
busy confusing people
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and turning people
actually away from God.
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He said he's come to
"kill, maim, and to destroy. "
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But the Bible tells us
that God has given us Jesus
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to give us life more abundantly.
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More abundantly... yes. So
it's a very important thing
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that we are called to do
and that is to let you know
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that there is a God in
heaven who really wants to do
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all He can for
you to enjoy this life
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and the life that is
after this life. Amen! Amen.
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And so that's the purpose of
our existence is to help others
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to know. Is that right, George?
That is why we are here for.
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That's right. We are here
to continue the work that Jesus
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Himself came to
do. That's right!
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Jesus helped the
sick. Jesus helped the sick.
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He healed. You
know what amazes me?
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You know what amazes me, George?
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Jesus would go through a village
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and when He had left
there was not one sick person
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left in that whole
village. Everybody was well.
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That's why they followed
Him. He healed everyone!
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I just find that amazing
when I read that in the Bible.
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It's an amazing... it's an
amazing work that He came to do.
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Yeah. So we're going to be
talking about that type of thing
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today... about the
healing of the sick
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and how that can
actually be achieved.
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So if you are
someone who is unwell
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maybe today we've got
something that can help you.
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Um-hmm. So stay tuned.
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Yeah. So George
Kwong. Now that name
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doesn't sound like
for me a Fijian name.
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So tell us about your
parents and background.
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Well the Kwong, of course, is,
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you know, is a
Chinese-origin name.
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My father... my grandfather
- sorry - came from China.
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He was one of those that
stowed away in those early boats
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out into the islands.
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I think the story was
that he ran away from China -
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um-hmm - during the war or
something like that happened.
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He came and they got
stranded in an island in Fiji
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south of the main island and
he set up his new family there.
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Well, there could have
been worst places in the world
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to be stranded. He
loved it there. He set up
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the first bakery store there.
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OK... so he was
the industrious type.
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He was industrious like
many Chinese that came to Fiji.
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And he met a local woman
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and there were seven of them
in the family, and my father
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was the youngest
in the family. OK.
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My father grew up and of course
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he went from the
island to the main island.
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And that's where
he met my mother.
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On the other side
my mother's story is
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my mother's father
also went on a boat
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and he went to Samoa...
and island in the Pacific.
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Um-hmm. That's
where he met his wife.
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And my mother plus another
seven were born in Samoa.
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OK. And my grandmother -
my maternal grandmother -
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heard about the
message of the SDA church.
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Umm! And while she was in Samoa
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she got converted
into the SDA church.
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So she accepted what she heard.
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She accepted the message;
she accepted what she learned;
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and she converted the
whole family including
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my grandfather who had come from
Fiji was a staunch Methodist.
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He got converted. He was
so excited with the message.
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So they left Samoa
and came back to Fiji
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as Seventh-day
Adventist missionaries.
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And they went right back
to my grandfather's island
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where they set up the
first SDA church on that island.
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Is that right? So
you're Samoan/Fijian -
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Samoan/Fijian/Chinese
- and Chinese-Fijian.
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So that's an
interesting mix, isn't it?
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So you know it's interesting
to think that your family
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accepted Jesus. What do you
think? I know this is going to
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put you on the spot.
What do you think it was
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that they got excited
about when they heard?
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In the Bible was it
that excited them to make
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a commitment? You know,
they were always talking about
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how the SDA's in
Samoa had a hospital
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that cared about
the people in Samoa.
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And I think they were excited
about the seventh-day gospel
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of healing and
teaching and preaching.
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They were excited about the fact
that they had found something
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that they've never
never ever heard about before
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in the islands. The London
Missionary Society was the
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predominant church
in Samoa at that time.
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Um-hmm. And when
the SDA faith came in
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they were excited about it...
especially about the Sabbath
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also. That was
something very special to them.
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Tell us: how many
brothers and sisters have you
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in your family? I have two
sisters and three brothers.
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Three brothers.
So... three of us.
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Three brothers, two sisters so
there's 5 of us in the family.
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So did you grow up? You
grew up. What school did you
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attend? Tell us a little
bit how it was like. I was
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born on the island, and
my grandmother was the only
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go-to person there that could
deliver babies on the island.
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OK. So they'd been
medical missionaries.
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The had an obligation to whoever
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that needed to be attended to.
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Anyway... she delivered me
way back more than 60 yrs. ago.
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OK. And we were all
brought up in the island.
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A very simple life and we were
brought up within the SDA faith.
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Um-hmm. And we had to
move to the main island
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to the urban center where
there was school and education.
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OK. And I went to Fulton College
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when I was very young.
So in fact I left my family
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when I was about
five or six years old -
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umm - to go to a church school.
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Is that right? You
know, the belief of those days
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that Christian education
- especially SDA education -
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was something that all
families upheld in those days.
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So they sent me to
Fulton College very young.
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So Fulton had a primary
school and high school then?
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They had a primary.
So did you get to go home
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and visit with your
family? During the holidays
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I was always ready to go home.
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And then from Fulton College
I went to a boarding school.
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Umm. So I spent a lot
of my life away from home.
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And went to the boarding school,
a quite prestigious boarding
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school where they
trained future leaders of Fiji.
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OK. So I graduated from
there then I... What did you
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graduate in, George? I
graduated from high school
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and I had a scholarship
to go to New Zealand.
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So I came down to New
Zealand and studied education.
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OK. So actually I have a
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a school teaching background.
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High? High school?
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Secondary school?
Primary school and high school.
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So I often think
about you know young people
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leaving their
families and going off.
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Your mother must have
had a good influence upon you
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to keep you
doing what was right.
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Did you live all your
life doing what was right?
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All those letters kept
coming reminding me about
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the Sabbath, reminding me about
the church, about the faith.
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But you know, like
many many young Adventists
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somewhere along
the line you drift off.
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But the faith is still in you.
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You know you still believe
this is the true way to go.
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I left the church for
a little while and then
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things happen in life that
bring you back a better SDA
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and become a better
Seventh-day Adventist.
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Yeah, there are some that don't
come back. Some don't come back.
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Yeah, yeah. I was quite
fortunate that my upbringing
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was strong
within the faith. Yes.
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There's a good saying in
the Bible that says: "Train up
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a child in the way he should go
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and he will not depart
from it when he is old. "
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And that's a very true saying
and it's very encouraging one
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for maybe parents who have
been praying for their children.
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But God always
hears and answers prayer.
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Maybe not in exactly
the time you want but
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in the overall plan of
things God is in charge
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if we allow Him to be in charge.
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You mentioned that you teach...
Did you teach anywhere, George?
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Yeah, I taught in Fiji for...
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I actually did some teacher
training and taught for a little
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while in New
Zealand and I taught in Fiji
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for about 4 or 5 years.
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Then somebody pulled me out
of teaching and I went into...
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into the commercial world.
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From there then I went
and worked with the government
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in building up the
export industry in Fiji.
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OK. So we were in the
export of fruits and vegetables
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and local products
into the markets into Sydney
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and into other world markets.
So I was quite fortunate
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to have that experience.
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Then we started
a family business.
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OK. We actually set up the first
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health food store in Fiji.
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Is that right?
Selling health food, so
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my family... my mother's
upbringing and my grandmother...
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they brought us up in
the church message about
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food and plant-based foods.
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So I had that
inside me all the time.
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So I converted
that into something
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that we could
make a living out of.
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I was wondering
how much of a demand
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there would be for plant based?
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At that time? No,
wasn't much in Fiji.
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This was way back in the 1990's.
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It was a bit
premature at that time.
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But now? Things
have changed a lot now.
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Yeah, we are going to be
talking a little bit about that,
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aren't we? I have found
when we've gone to New Zealand
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there isn't very much that
you can find of health food.
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It's very hard to
find things to eat.
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It's hard. You have
a lot here in Sydney
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so you've got everything
in terms of health food.
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The choices that you have...
you have a lot. Yeah, yeah.
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You are blessed. It is good.
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So you obviously met a lady?
A lady came into your life?
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Tell us a little
bit about that. Oh yeah!
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She went... When I was
working in the commercial world
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she was in the office, so
you know how things happen.
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And we got married and three
children were born. Uh-huh.
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We brought them up in the
church. They are all big now.
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They are all in New Zealand
and they're all doing well.
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They are all doing
well in New Zealand
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and we have grandchildren.
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OK. We are so
blessed with grandchildren.
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Let's look at a photo. There we
are! You are a young man there!
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Your children are young?
The oldest one, right at the
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back there, I think he's just
become a daddy after 34 years.
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Yeah, yeah... I was a
young man, and of course
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the youngest one in the
middle is now a dairy farmer.
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He looks after a big
dairy farm in New Zealand
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and my daughter which
is the family "driver. "
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She drives
everything in the family.
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Yes, she is also in New Zealand.
00:15:11.77\00:15:14.28
This was a good
time; it was a time when...
00:15:16.18\00:15:19.71
when you have everybody
together in the family.
00:15:19.91\00:15:22.45
It's always good to look
back at a photo and remember.
00:15:22.65\00:15:27.22
I often look back. You know,
God has really looked after us.
00:15:27.89\00:15:31.63
There's a lot of things
that happen in this world
00:15:32.03\00:15:34.73
but to be together still as
a family and have grandchildren
00:15:34.93\00:15:38.13
that's a special
blessing from God.
00:15:38.33\00:15:40.27
It is a special
blessing. Definitely!
00:15:40.47\00:15:42.94
So you're retired
now, George. Is that right?
00:15:43.27\00:15:46.21
I am retired now. I spent all
of my time or most of my time
00:15:46.41\00:15:51.88
in the work of the Lord,
the medical missionary work
00:15:52.08\00:15:54.85
especially in
Fiji in a place where
00:15:55.05\00:15:59.02
we have so much going right now
in terms of lifestyle diseases.
00:15:59.42\00:16:04.49
Hmm! Non-communicable diseases.
00:16:04.69\00:16:07.46
There's just a big need for
it out there, especially for
00:16:07.86\00:16:10.67
the church. What can we
do to help those out there?
00:16:10.87\00:16:15.04
And these become the
chronic diseases... not acute.
00:16:15.24\00:16:18.77
Things that have been
taking from... from doing things
00:16:18.97\00:16:23.21
incorrectly for a
long period of time
00:16:23.41\00:16:25.91
these things become apparent
00:16:26.11\00:16:28.08
that have been slowly building
up in the body until finally
00:16:28.28\00:16:33.39
they're chronic. You
know, there are basically two...
00:16:33.79\00:16:37.33
two disease problems in Fiji.
00:16:37.53\00:16:38.93
One is
communicable disease - um-hmm -
00:16:39.13\00:16:40.63
and one is non-communicable
disease. We call it
00:16:40.83\00:16:44.10
NCD's in short - um-hmm -
00:16:44.30\00:16:46.30
which is really chronic
lifestyle diseases. Yes.
00:16:46.50\00:16:49.87
Well, the balance has tipped now
where non-communicable disease
00:16:50.31\00:16:55.64
is much much more and
the communicable diseases
00:16:55.84\00:16:58.75
you know they've managed
to phase that out - yes -
00:16:58.95\00:17:02.28
with modern technology.
But non-communicable diseases
00:17:02.48\00:17:07.56
it's hard. It's something
that you bring it on yourself.
00:17:07.72\00:17:11.13
So you've been involved since
you opened up the health food
00:17:11.33\00:17:14.20
shop, the first one
in Fiji as you mentioned,
00:17:14.40\00:17:16.53
you've seen a change,
George? A big change? No.
00:17:16.73\00:17:20.84
There is no
change for many reasons.
00:17:21.04\00:17:24.77
On one side we see
the change in technology
00:17:25.17\00:17:28.44
increasing all the time;
00:17:28.64\00:17:29.98
new medicine and lots of money
invested in medical work...
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and on the other side we see
increases in non-communicable
00:17:36.25\00:17:39.79
diseases also. So there
is no change for the better
00:17:39.99\00:17:43.49
but change for the
worse maybe. Yes! Um-hmm.
00:17:43.69\00:17:46.73
Keeps going up. These
non-communicable diseases
00:17:46.93\00:17:51.23
are on the increase
and that's related to what?
00:17:51.43\00:17:55.14
Is that lifestyle? 80% of
people who die in hospital
00:17:55.34\00:18:00.04
die from non-communicable
disease in Fiji.
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Eighty percent? Eighty percent!
00:18:02.68\00:18:04.01
Right now it's 80% in Fiji.
00:18:04.11\00:18:07.08
There's a big plague sweeping
across the Pacific islands
00:18:07.28\00:18:10.79
right now. Diabetes: number one.
00:18:10.99\00:18:13.25
Heart diseases.
All this from... food.
00:18:14.19\00:18:17.86
There's four major reasons:
00:18:18.06\00:18:19.56
food, lifestyle changes,
00:18:19.96\00:18:22.50
lack of exercise - um-hmm -
increase in alcohol consumption,
00:18:22.70\00:18:25.90
and cigarette smoking.
00:18:26.10\00:18:28.14
These are the four main reasons.
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You know, you kind of think
of the expense of cigarettes
00:18:30.11\00:18:32.57
and alcohol - and alcohol.
They're expensive, and so how...
00:18:32.77\00:18:35.91
you know, how do
people afford those things?
00:18:36.11\00:18:38.45
But yet they always
seem to have something!
00:18:38.65\00:18:40.55
They always seem
to have something.
00:18:40.75\00:18:42.08
Government keeps increasing
duty, but lately we've seen
00:18:42.12\00:18:46.05
a decrease in it.
It is where the church
00:18:46.25\00:18:49.02
comes in to try and
quell this smoking problem
00:18:49.22\00:18:54.63
and alcohol
problem in society. Yeah.
00:18:54.83\00:18:57.43
So just looking at the infor-
mation that you've got with us
00:18:57.63\00:19:02.70
we've got a graph here
of what's happening in Fiji.
00:19:02.90\00:19:05.44
Can you just
talk to us about that?
00:19:05.64\00:19:07.61
Well this was a survey done
by Deakins Invest in Melbourne.
00:19:07.81\00:19:12.85
It's a survey that
relates to consumption...
00:19:13.05\00:19:16.32
food consumption and diseases.
00:19:16.52\00:19:18.49
You can see on the blue side
the preferences... what people
00:19:18.69\00:19:23.83
prefer. They prefer processed
foods. Fifty-seven percent -
00:19:24.03\00:19:28.56
yeah - of the people in
Fiji prefer processed foods
00:19:28.76\00:19:31.90
for reasons... especially
those that are in the higher
00:19:32.10\00:19:37.07
echelon of society,
those that worked - um-hmm -
00:19:37.27\00:19:39.57
processed foods are affordable.
It's easier for them.
00:19:39.84\00:19:43.71
Convenient. Yeah, convenient.
00:19:43.91\00:19:45.61
And you have the fast
foods: 29% fast foods.
00:19:46.35\00:19:52.25
Easy to get hold of.
So easy to get hold of.
00:19:52.45\00:19:54.16
But I think this is typical
in a Western society which is
00:19:54.39\00:19:59.43
slowly creeping
into the Fijian society.
00:19:59.63\00:20:02.06
And the fresh fruits and
vegetables right down. In fact,
00:20:02.26\00:20:05.70
I was reading a
report the other day. It says
00:20:05.90\00:20:08.97
90% of people in Fiji do not eat
00:20:09.87\00:20:15.31
the required amount of
fruits and vegetables daily.
00:20:16.75\00:20:19.45
Yes. I would say it's
very similar in Australia.
00:20:20.28\00:20:23.59
It's so easily
available in the shops.
00:20:24.45\00:20:28.42
And if you look per kilo, it's
so much cheaper than other food.
00:20:28.62\00:20:32.26
But people don't buy it because
they want the other "stuff"
00:20:33.29\00:20:38.40
that maybe has a
different flavor or something.
00:20:38.60\00:20:40.84
Whereas the fruit today
often is picked too early
00:20:41.00\00:20:44.31
to get it to market
00:20:44.51\00:20:45.84
and so it hasn't produced
the sugar intake for the flavor.
00:20:46.07\00:20:51.31
And so it doesn't
taste necessarily very good.
00:20:51.51\00:20:53.68
That's the same problem we
have back there. What else could
00:20:53.88\00:20:56.89
be compounded more by
the pocket, what a person can
00:20:57.09\00:21:02.22
afford. I think everybody has
got that! Yeah, this is where
00:21:02.42\00:21:05.86
government plays a major role.
I think government should put a
00:21:06.06\00:21:08.56
lot more taxes into imported
food. Say fifty years ago...
00:21:08.76\00:21:11.17
fifty years ago
diabetes was unheard in Fiji.
00:21:11.37\00:21:15.14
It was really down there.
Not many heart problems. Um-hmm.
00:21:15.34\00:21:18.64
But with increase
of importation - yes -
00:21:18.84\00:21:21.34
flour, wheat, processed
foods come into the country
00:21:21.54\00:21:25.21
diabetes has just
gone up right away.
00:21:25.61\00:21:27.95
The fast food
restaurant. Fast food.
00:21:28.15\00:21:29.88
We are chopping...
Sorry, we are amputating
00:21:30.09\00:21:33.29
one leg every eight hours
which is three legs a day.
00:21:34.82\00:21:39.59
That's a lot! Three legs
a day which is quite a bit.
00:21:39.79\00:21:42.10
In the whole
Pacific. One toe... one toe...
00:21:42.30\00:21:47.37
Sorry... sorry. It is about
00:21:48.97\00:21:51.81
20 toes in every 20 minutes
or something like that. Umm!
00:21:52.87\00:21:57.31
What you're saying is
there is a real problem.
00:21:58.31\00:22:01.35
You know, I just want to
mention that when you look at
00:22:01.55\00:22:04.62
that little graph, food
plays a really important part
00:22:04.82\00:22:09.36
as to your health. And you've
got a burden to help people,
00:22:09.56\00:22:13.19
haven't you George? You
know, in what you're doing.
00:22:13.40\00:22:15.96
You want to reach
people with good health:
00:22:16.16\00:22:18.53
good practices for
eating, drinking, exercise.
00:22:18.73\00:22:24.54
And we call that, and
I'm sure you know, NEWSTART.
00:22:24.74\00:22:28.18
They are the fundamental things
that build a person's health.
00:22:28.38\00:22:31.91
And so you could avoid
having things like diabetes too.
00:22:32.31\00:22:36.12
And so there's a whole lot
of issues, and you are really
00:22:36.32\00:22:39.15
out there in your retirement age
00:22:39.35\00:22:41.09
trying to help people
to live a healthier life.
00:22:41.29\00:22:45.09
Is that right? It is so pivotal
00:22:45.29\00:22:47.40
that everybody
has to get in together
00:22:47.60\00:22:51.43
from outside of the church.
00:22:51.63\00:22:52.97
Trying to... you know, we
have a major role to play.
00:22:53.57\00:22:56.60
This is where government
and the SDA church in Fiji
00:22:56.81\00:23:00.24
are working together
trying to put things together.
00:23:00.44\00:23:02.91
And of course we need a lot
of education for the schools
00:23:03.11\00:23:08.85
from the other organizations
that are there to try and
00:23:09.05\00:23:11.52
teach people -
educate, educate, educate -
00:23:11.72\00:23:14.42
on the right choices of food
so that we could fight against
00:23:14.62\00:23:17.96
these diseases.
00:23:18.36\00:23:19.96
There's a lot of different
acronyms that are used for
00:23:20.16\00:23:22.66
the health... the
ways to keep healthy.
00:23:23.06\00:23:26.33
NEWSTART is one of
them though there are more.
00:23:26.53\00:23:30.54
And just for our
viewers who don't know
00:23:30.94\00:23:33.94
the N stands for
nutrition. Um-hmm. Right?
00:23:34.14\00:23:37.05
E for exercise.
00:23:37.25\00:23:38.98
W for water.
00:23:39.18\00:23:40.52
S for sunshine... sunlight?
00:23:41.12\00:23:43.32
Yep! T for temperance.
00:23:43.52\00:23:45.89
Then you've got A
for air; R for rest;
00:23:46.99\00:23:49.92
and the last T is for
trusting God or a higher power
00:23:50.13\00:23:53.66
where we say God
because we believe in God.
00:23:53.86\00:23:55.66
We look after our body
because God has given us
00:23:55.86\00:23:58.53
this body. How we treat
it and what we do with it
00:23:58.73\00:24:02.20
impacts our lifespan,
what we can do to help others,
00:24:02.40\00:24:06.74
our quality of life.
There are so many things.
00:24:06.94\00:24:09.01
Sometimes we
forget about sunlight.
00:24:09.21\00:24:12.11
Water. Water is so essential
you know. Over 70% of your body
00:24:12.95\00:24:16.75
is water, so why not have
your 8 glasses of water a day?
00:24:16.95\00:24:21.29
And in winter we're less likely
to drink very much because
00:24:21.49\00:24:24.49
we don't think about the fact
that our body is dehydrated.
00:24:24.69\00:24:27.76
Exactly. The cold air
actually dehydrates us
00:24:27.96\00:24:32.10
but we only think
about drinking on a hot day.
00:24:32.30\00:24:35.04
And yet we should be
drinking all the time.
00:24:35.44\00:24:37.44
That is the beauty
of our health message.
00:24:37.84\00:24:40.01
It is a holistic
message. That's right.
00:24:40.21\00:24:42.31
There are many health messages
out there. Ours, I think is
00:24:42.51\00:24:47.78
the holistic approach with
mental, social, spiritual -
00:24:47.98\00:24:50.92
that's right - and the physical
outlook & the person as a whole.
00:24:51.12\00:24:55.16
I think one of the problems
just going back to water
00:24:55.36\00:24:58.66
is that people think: "Oh well
I drink tea and I drink coffee.
00:24:58.86\00:25:02.23
I'm getting water. "
But is that good enough?
00:25:02.43\00:25:05.43
No. No it's not.
Better not to drink...
00:25:06.43\00:25:08.84
Tea and coffee actually are -
dehydrates - diuretics and they
00:25:09.04\00:25:12.94
take the water
out of our bodies.
00:25:13.41\00:25:14.74
So you need to
drink water... good water.
00:25:14.91\00:25:18.05
So George, tell us a
little bit. In Fiji when you
00:25:18.45\00:25:22.72
look at what you
are trying to accomplish
00:25:23.12\00:25:26.02
are people ready and
open to receive it now?
00:25:26.22\00:25:29.12
Now that we are seeing these
diseases increasing that are
00:25:29.32\00:25:32.63
lifestyle related are
people willing to listen to you?
00:25:32.83\00:25:36.26
I think the time
is right right now.
00:25:36.67\00:25:39.13
Everybody is out there.
Everybody is talking about it
00:25:39.33\00:25:43.44
like government. There are agen-
cies and especially the church.
00:25:44.44\00:25:48.41
The church has come
out in a very big way.
00:25:48.61\00:25:50.25
Thankfully the
South Pacific Division
00:25:50.65\00:25:53.42
they rolled out
a lot of programs
00:25:53.62\00:25:55.68
specifically dealing with
the non-communicable diseases
00:25:55.88\00:25:59.32
that we are experiencing. Yeah.
00:25:59.52\00:26:01.79
Are they working
with the government now?
00:26:01.99\00:26:03.73
Working with the government...
we are working with
00:26:03.93\00:26:05.26
the government. The
govern- ment has kind of gone to
00:26:05.39\00:26:07.43
to the stage to say:
"Hey, you know, we've gotten to
00:26:07.63\00:26:09.83
the stage that
whatever you can do we'll do. "
00:26:10.03\00:26:12.43
So we've got this
program going with the
00:26:12.63\00:26:15.14
CHIP Program - um-hmm
- and of course we've got
00:26:15.34\00:26:19.11
this program: a contextualized
version of the CHIP Program
00:26:19.31\00:26:22.74
which is rolled out to villages.
00:26:22.94\00:26:26.38
It's an intervention
program for diabetes.
00:26:26.58\00:26:29.08
And we are quite happy
that the government has accepted
00:26:29.28\00:26:32.55
that program to be the go-to
program for villages in Fiji.
00:26:32.75\00:26:35.96
That's exciting! Yeah, that
is exciting! We've got a picture
00:26:37.63\00:26:40.43
here of you? Who is
that in the middle there?
00:26:40.63\00:26:44.80
That is the president of Fiji.
00:26:45.57\00:26:47.57
That is the president of
Fiji. You know, it shows how...
00:26:47.77\00:26:50.97
how the church has connected
to the highest authorities
00:26:51.17\00:26:54.64
of the land. And we
brought down Dr. Hans Diehl
00:26:54.84\00:26:59.48
who was in Fiji
for about seven days.
00:26:59.68\00:27:04.75
And we had the opportunity
to go up there, and to the right
00:27:04.95\00:27:08.02
of the president we have
Sharon from the Sanitarium,
00:27:08.22\00:27:12.19
Australia. Um-hmm.
00:27:12.39\00:27:13.73
And Dr. Paul Wood of
Trans-Pacific Union Mission.
00:27:13.90\00:27:17.63
And of course church
officials to the left
00:27:17.83\00:27:21.57
with our church secretary
and our health director
00:27:21.77\00:27:25.04
on the far left, Dr.
Alipate, who is the leader of
00:27:25.24\00:27:28.28
the health ministry in Fiji.
00:27:28.48\00:27:31.11
So there we have the president.
00:27:31.31\00:27:32.71
He's in favor of
what you were doing?
00:27:32.91\00:27:34.98
The president is so much
in favor of what we are doing
00:27:35.18\00:27:37.62
and the government is in
favor of what we are doing
00:27:37.82\00:27:39.65
that they have come on
board and partnered up with us.
00:27:39.85\00:27:42.96
They see that this is going to
benefit the people of Fiji. Yes.
00:27:43.16\00:27:47.70
Bring back some health?
00:27:47.90\00:27:49.23
Bring back. We need
programs to educate the people.
00:27:49.43\00:27:52.87
It's so expensive for govern-
ments to be looking after
00:27:53.27\00:27:56.84
sick people. 45%
of the health budget
00:27:57.04\00:28:00.58
is for
non-communicable diseases only.
00:28:00.98\00:28:04.51
And that's quite a lot.
00:28:04.71\00:28:06.05
But then you look at how
much of the government's budget
00:28:06.11\00:28:10.25
is for health -
exactly - paying for hospitals
00:28:10.45\00:28:14.46
and other medical things
to help people who have got
00:28:14.66\00:28:17.69
diseases that
something can be done about.
00:28:17.89\00:28:20.13
And if you are going to
introduce bypass surgery
00:28:20.33\00:28:25.97
into Fiji then that will
drain a lot more, wouldn't it?
00:28:26.17\00:28:29.34
Oh! You know, those
procedures are so expensive
00:28:29.54\00:28:32.44
and we just can't afford it.
00:28:32.64\00:28:33.98
So really we have to
start turning the tap off
00:28:34.01\00:28:37.85
instead of mopping
the floor all the time.
00:28:38.05\00:28:40.82
I like that, I like that George.
Very good! Very good. Yeah.
00:28:41.02\00:28:44.25
And so you've got 10,000 Toes
is another thing the church is
00:28:44.65\00:28:48.92
doing there? 10,000 Toes
is a big project going on now.
00:28:49.12\00:28:52.56
We are trying to
work with the churches
00:28:53.03\00:28:55.66
and with the
villages in creating awareness
00:28:55.86\00:28:59.23
amongst the
people on what we can do
00:28:59.43\00:29:02.80
and what we shouldn't do
00:29:03.00\00:29:04.67
to have this
disease under control.
00:29:04.87\00:29:07.94
And the stubble of legs
and toes from being amputated?
00:29:08.14\00:29:11.01
That's a big problem. We
have a challenge in front of us.
00:29:11.21\00:29:15.02
We want to save 10,000 toes.
00:29:15.22\00:29:17.22
Umm! You know,
the thing is, George,
00:29:17.42\00:29:19.55
and I'm talking with
George Kwong here and John,
00:29:19.75\00:29:22.82
diabetes type II
doesn't have to happen. No.
00:29:24.23\00:29:29.46
And yet we bring it on ourselves
00:29:30.47\00:29:33.50
by eating all of those processed
foods and those fast foods
00:29:34.60\00:29:39.01
instead of eating fresh food:
00:29:39.41\00:29:42.54
things that have been
grown which God gave us to eat.
00:29:42.74\00:29:46.08
Back in Genesis
in the Garden of Eden
00:29:46.28\00:29:48.78
it was a plant-based diet.
00:29:49.18\00:29:51.65
And He only introduced
animals after the flood
00:29:52.89\00:29:56.26
because it would bring
down the lifespan of men.
00:29:56.46\00:30:01.03
Men were living so long
they were becoming so evil -
00:30:01.23\00:30:03.67
right - through their long life
00:30:03.87\00:30:06.94
that He need to decrease
the length of their days
00:30:07.14\00:30:10.84
so He allowed them to
eat meat. Meat was not meant
00:30:11.04\00:30:13.68
to keep us alive. Meat we
meant to cut our life short.
00:30:13.88\00:30:18.38
It's fruit and vegetables
and other plant-based food
00:30:19.31\00:30:23.72
that we should be eating
as well as the air, the water,
00:30:23.92\00:30:26.35
the exercise, etc. Exactly!
00:30:26.55\00:30:28.02
Proper amount of
sleep. And so diabetes
00:30:28.22\00:30:31.93
is something that can be
changed. And the CHIP Program
00:30:32.13\00:30:35.56
works with heart disease
and things like that as well
00:30:35.76\00:30:38.40
to make us healthy. Unfortu-
nately we have this paradigm
00:30:39.47\00:30:43.27
that you cannot change diabetes,
that you cannot reverse
00:30:43.47\00:30:46.37
diabetes. And I think
we have a message out there
00:30:46.57\00:30:52.11
to tell the people: "Yes,
you can do something about it. "
00:30:52.31\00:30:55.65
We can do something about it.
00:30:56.45\00:30:57.85
And there's lots of
health issues that changing your
00:30:58.05\00:31:01.82
lifestyle will totally clear
up... others that it will help.
00:31:02.02\00:31:06.49
Isn't that true? I'm so grateful
that this lifestyle medicine
00:31:06.90\00:31:10.87
concept is beginning to explode.
00:31:11.07\00:31:14.17
It's getting some momentum
now. Getting a lot of momentum.
00:31:14.37\00:31:17.24
which really is to me
I'd like to say it is a SDA
00:31:17.44\00:31:21.44
health message. Yes!
00:31:21.64\00:31:23.04
It is something that was
given to us way back there.
00:31:23.24\00:31:27.15
It's a God-given health message
because it's in line with
00:31:27.35\00:31:32.55
what He said in His
Word, in the Bible. Right.
00:31:32.75\00:31:34.89
So George, you are
pretty much immersed in this
00:31:35.29\00:31:39.26
concept of teaching
people about the health message.
00:31:39.46\00:31:43.10
What are you
actually doing yourself
00:31:43.30\00:31:45.37
in this work in Fiji? Tell
us a little bit about that.
00:31:45.57\00:31:48.84
I'm actually working
with the church in Fiji, so
00:31:49.04\00:31:53.04
I have the Western
Division in Fiji which is where
00:31:53.24\00:31:57.51
the international
airport is. Nadi Int'l. Airport.
00:31:57.71\00:32:00.58
So if you fly into Fiji,
the first place you would land
00:32:00.78\00:32:05.25
is Nadi
International Airport. Um-hmm.
00:32:05.45\00:32:06.89
OK. In the Nadi
Division we have 20 churches...
00:32:07.29\00:32:10.03
20 SDA churches.
00:32:10.23\00:32:12.86
So what we try to
do is to strategically
00:32:13.06\00:32:17.60
strategically place ourselves
00:32:17.80\00:32:22.34
where we could become centers
of influence wherever we are.
00:32:22.74\00:32:26.61
So we are using the zoning model
00:32:26.81\00:32:30.51
where we zone one church to take
care of this particular area.
00:32:30.71\00:32:36.15
So we've got places zoned
out, the 20 churches zoned,
00:32:36.35\00:32:40.82
and I've been working
on setting up the churches
00:32:41.02\00:32:44.79
to become wellness centers -
OK - in their various respective
00:32:44.99\00:32:48.76
zones. Teaching them;
giving them the equipment
00:32:48.96\00:32:54.04
like the BP
monitor, the sugar diabetes
00:32:54.24\00:32:58.54
glucometers -
um-hmm - and so on.
00:32:58.74\00:33:01.51
And we had a plan to have
10 wellness centers by the end
00:33:02.24\00:33:06.38
of this year. So far we
have seven up and running.
00:33:06.58\00:33:09.92
OK. Very good! So that's where
people come from the community
00:33:10.12\00:33:13.86
around that church area?
People come from the community
00:33:14.06\00:33:15.86
and the church
becomes the wellness center.
00:33:16.06\00:33:19.79
The church becomes
a place where they can
00:33:20.00\00:33:23.10
come to and
learn about nutrition.
00:33:23.30\00:33:26.00
They learn about exercise.
00:33:26.20\00:33:27.70
They learn about
how to prevent diabetes.
00:33:27.90\00:33:30.54
How not to have a heart attack.
00:33:30.74\00:33:32.41
And we have programs
like Forgive to Live programs
00:33:32.61\00:33:36.24
that's running in
the churches. Umm.
00:33:36.44\00:33:37.88
So it is working
very very effectively.
00:33:38.28\00:33:41.92
Now just... You
mentioned the Forgive to Live.
00:33:42.12\00:33:43.92
Now that's a program on teaching
people about being able to
00:33:44.12\00:33:47.89
give forgiveness
for their health's sake.
00:33:48.09\00:33:50.23
For their health's sake.
Because being unforgiving
00:33:50.43\00:33:53.70
and holding a grudge and
bitterness towards someone
00:33:53.90\00:33:56.16
can have a terrible impact on
your physical and mental health.
00:33:56.36\00:33:59.93
Isn't that true? Your
attitude can affect your health.
00:34:00.14\00:34:02.87
It's... I think it's
been scientifically proven
00:34:03.27\00:34:06.64
that various
things that hold you back
00:34:06.84\00:34:10.41
affect various
organs of the body.
00:34:10.61\00:34:12.58
High blood pressure
and your mental ability.
00:34:12.78\00:34:17.09
Mental ability... so
it's a very good program.
00:34:17.29\00:34:19.62
So it's a holistic
approach again. Very good!
00:34:19.82\00:34:22.62
So you've seen
some changes in people,
00:34:22.82\00:34:24.89
and we've got a
slide of before and after,
00:34:25.09\00:34:27.03
and I think it'd
be good to have a look
00:34:27.23\00:34:30.20
at the impact of what you are
doing and the church is doing
00:34:30.40\00:34:33.23
in helping people
with their health.
00:34:33.44\00:34:35.37
Now tell us about
this one. Well, this guy
00:34:35.57\00:34:38.61
he is Ilatea. His
name is Ilatea. He is...
00:34:38.81\00:34:41.74
he's an auditor in a
big bank, the VSP Bank.
00:34:41.94\00:34:44.48
One of the big banks in Fiji.
00:34:44.68\00:34:46.15
And he got to the stage
where he was having sleep apnea
00:34:46.55\00:34:51.89
and he was overweight
and all kinds of problems.
00:34:52.09\00:34:54.89
And the doctors told
him: "You'd better go to India
00:34:55.09\00:34:56.93
and have a stapled stomach. "
00:34:57.13\00:35:01.26
Yeah, stapled stomach.
But he was so concerned
00:35:01.46\00:35:05.07
that he couldn't even
walk his daughter to school
00:35:05.27\00:35:08.54
and the daughter started
crying because he couldn't go...
00:35:08.74\00:35:10.67
even though she
couldn't go with her father.
00:35:10.87\00:35:13.48
So he decided
that he'd do something.
00:35:13.88\00:35:16.54
He's heard a lot of programs -
00:35:16.75\00:35:18.11
but he was skeptical -
um-hmm - until somebody told him
00:35:18.31\00:35:22.55
"You'd better try the CHIP
Program, the SDA CHIP Program. "
00:35:22.75\00:35:25.75
Um-hmm. And he went along to
one of the information nights
00:35:25.95\00:35:29.59
and he attended a CHIP Program.
00:35:29.79\00:35:31.99
And he followed it?
He was 140 kilograms.
00:35:32.19\00:35:35.00
I'm not surprised.
00:35:35.20\00:35:36.83
140 kilograms.
He invested $6,000
00:35:37.03\00:35:40.44
in a sleeping machine
because he had sleep apnea.
00:35:40.64\00:35:44.71
You know, those
oxygen bottles. Yes.
00:35:44.91\00:35:46.24
And one year later look
at a picture: there he is.
00:35:46.54\00:35:51.95
You're kidding! He
came down to about 90 kg.
00:35:52.15\00:35:55.92
And he says he's full of energy.
00:35:56.12\00:35:58.55
He's got to get up in
the morning and go swimming
00:35:58.75\00:36:00.96
and go running. For his
family! And enjoy his family.
00:36:01.12\00:36:04.53
He is now a CHIP facilitator
in the Methodist church
00:36:04.73\00:36:08.03
in his church. And I bet he
runs his daughter to school!
00:36:08.33\00:36:11.43
He runs his daughter to school!
00:36:11.67\00:36:13.07
Yes. Physically runs!
So that's one of the things
00:36:13.27\00:36:16.07
that's why the
government is on board.
00:36:16.27\00:36:19.34
"Hey, you know, you
people have the answer! "
00:36:19.91\00:36:22.21
And what happened to
his sleep apnea machine?
00:36:22.41\00:36:24.28
Gone! He says: "I
shouldn't have bought
00:36:24.48\00:36:28.28
a sleep apnea machine
because a week later I did CHIP
00:36:28.48\00:36:31.49
after buying it, but now it's
sitting in the corner at home. "
00:36:31.69\00:36:35.06
A reminder! A
reminder, yes... a reminder.
00:36:35.92\00:36:39.83
Sometimes we need a
reminder. A $6,000 reminder.
00:36:40.03\00:36:42.80
So do you have any other
stories that you can tell us
00:36:43.93\00:36:46.84
of the success of what
you're doing? You know, you said
00:36:47.04\00:36:49.77
you've got up seven
wellness centers? Yes!
00:36:49.97\00:36:52.54
We've got a couple of pictures
that we'll have a look at.
00:36:53.74\00:36:57.85
Yes, this is... you see at the
background there: that's what
00:36:59.51\00:37:02.78
they call the Sleeping Giant.
00:37:02.98\00:37:04.79
The huge mountain
= the Sleeping Giant.
00:37:04.99\00:37:07.12
And there's a village out
here called Sabeto Village.
00:37:07.32\00:37:10.93
Um-hmm. This is in
the west of Fiji again
00:37:11.09\00:37:13.93
and that's their church. Strong
traditional Methodist group.
00:37:14.13\00:37:20.07
And that's the chief's
house right there or part of the
00:37:20.27\00:37:22.70
chief's house. And some
time ago, say about 7 years ago,
00:37:22.90\00:37:26.94
SDAs wanted to
build a church there
00:37:27.24\00:37:30.38
and they weren't allowed.
They were told to... to go away.
00:37:30.58\00:37:34.18
Um-hmm. Each church has
basically got their villages?
00:37:34.38\00:37:39.49
Haven't they?
Yeah... yeah... yeah.
00:37:39.69\00:37:41.36
But we were told: "You
cannot build your church here.
00:37:41.76\00:37:46.59
We have a very big
Methodist church in here. "
00:37:46.80\00:37:48.56
So they wanted us to go
out, so we went out until
00:37:48.76\00:37:52.97
we started this
health assessment program.
00:37:53.17\00:37:56.60
We go to villages
assessing people, telling them
00:37:56.81\00:37:59.64
"You have high
blood sugar... diabetes. "
00:37:59.84\00:38:02.81
And then the chief
heard about it. Um-hmm.
00:38:03.01\00:38:06.92
They invited us
back into their village.
00:38:07.75\00:38:10.72
Invited us into his home.
00:38:10.92\00:38:13.52
I think there's a slide...
a slide there of them there.
00:38:13.72\00:38:15.92
Another slide there.
Yes, there it is! Yes.
00:38:17.43\00:38:20.36
Now that man is who? That man:
that's the chief of the village.
00:38:20.56\00:38:24.33
And that's the wife on the left
side. They wanted us to come in
00:38:24.53\00:38:28.37
and do health assessment.
They have their health problems.
00:38:28.57\00:38:31.14
Um-hmm. And we spent two hours
00:38:31.34\00:38:34.08
inside the chief's
house. That's not usual in Fiji
00:38:34.58\00:38:40.42
for anybody to just
go into a chief's house
00:38:41.35\00:38:43.99
and have a chat with him.
00:38:44.19\00:38:45.75
But he invited us into
there and we spent some time
00:38:46.15\00:38:49.66
in there and told him NEWSTART.
00:38:49.86\00:38:52.99
Exercise, water,
sunlight... rest. So taken back!
00:38:53.40\00:38:59.00
"You could do this to
help you with this problem. "
00:38:59.20\00:39:02.74
One week later he called
us back again and he said:
00:39:04.27\00:39:07.44
"I want you to
come into the village
00:39:07.74\00:39:11.85
and run some health assessment
programs for my people. "
00:39:12.05\00:39:15.05
So we went back in there
00:39:16.22\00:39:17.92
and we found out the problems
that people never knew they had.
00:39:18.32\00:39:22.16
So we had NEWSTART
lessons going on in the village.
00:39:22.56\00:39:26.09
And then he asked us again:
00:39:26.49\00:39:28.13
"Can you have one
person in this village
00:39:28.33\00:39:32.40
to take care of the sick
families in the village? "
00:39:32.60\00:39:35.07
So we assigned two
medical missionary workers
00:39:35.97\00:39:38.67
husband and wife. And
they go around to the homes
00:39:38.87\00:39:42.61
and just using
simple, natural remedies
00:39:43.01\00:39:46.72
repairing the breach,
you know... treating people.
00:39:47.88\00:39:50.92
Treating people. Out of
that we have five families
00:39:51.32\00:39:54.99
doing Bible studies.
I'm very encouraged that
00:39:55.19\00:39:59.13
he was prepared to listen.
You know what it tells me?
00:39:59.33\00:40:01.80
That people are really
concerned for their people.
00:40:02.20\00:40:04.63
Yes. For their health. If
you have it cheap like this,
00:40:04.83\00:40:07.34
he can do a great
thing and help these people
00:40:07.54\00:40:11.64
that he lives
with. So you were able
00:40:11.84\00:40:14.01
to do that in that village.
00:40:14.21\00:40:15.88
And I'm encouraged by that
because that's happening now.
00:40:16.28\00:40:19.31
You said, you are setting
up these wellness centers
00:40:19.51\00:40:21.92
in, around, Nadi?
Nadi is it? Nadi. Yeah.
00:40:22.32\00:40:26.05
and it's been successful.
00:40:26.25\00:40:28.59
Just imagine if that model
00:40:28.79\00:40:31.69
can be replicated or replicated
to another ten churches!
00:40:31.89\00:40:37.73
I am hoping that by
the end of next year
00:40:37.93\00:40:39.57
we'll have the whole 20
churches all wellness centers.
00:40:39.77\00:40:42.77
That will improve the
lives of the people there.
00:40:42.97\00:40:46.78
Yes, definitely! So then you can
move it on to another district
00:40:46.98\00:40:50.75
and move it on to
another district -
00:40:50.95\00:40:52.71
exactly, yes! and
on to another district.
00:40:52.91\00:40:54.82
So generally you are
saying it is successful, right?
00:40:55.22\00:40:58.35
So what's the response?
You know, how are the people
00:40:58.55\00:41:01.62
responding to what you
are trying to share with them?
00:41:01.82\00:41:04.06
When you have people...
villages that 90% of the people
00:41:04.46\00:41:09.06
have high blood
pressure, people are dying,
00:41:09.26\00:41:13.84
you know, this has become
the "norm" in the villages,
00:41:14.04\00:41:17.41
I think naturally they
would like to say: "Hey!
00:41:17.81\00:41:21.54
this is life! These are
some people that care for us. "
00:41:21.74\00:41:25.71
And we haven't seen opposition.
00:41:26.61\00:41:30.39
We used to see
opposition before.
00:41:30.59\00:41:32.49
"Oh, that's a
Seventh-day Adventist church.
00:41:32.69\00:41:34.29
We have a barrier
with SDA churches. "
00:41:34.49\00:41:38.26
But now it's the opposite.
00:41:38.46\00:41:40.33
People see the need that
they have to do something
00:41:40.53\00:41:44.17
about themselves
and their families.
00:41:44.37\00:41:46.13
I think it's even
more than that, George.
00:41:46.33\00:41:48.34
When you're going
to help the people
00:41:49.10\00:41:51.97
you show the people that
you have a care for them.
00:41:53.64\00:41:56.81
You have a
concern for their welfare.
00:41:57.01\00:41:59.31
And you've got
social as you said before,
00:42:00.28\00:42:04.79
social health, mental
health, physical health,
00:42:04.99\00:42:08.26
and spiritual health.
00:42:08.46\00:42:09.79
And you show that you have
a care and concern for people
00:42:10.03\00:42:13.19
and they're more willing
to open up in other areas
00:42:13.40\00:42:17.43
because they actually
see you as people who care.
00:42:17.63\00:42:21.67
They no longer see you
as people we don't want here
00:42:21.87\00:42:24.81
because we don't want
to know what you know.
00:42:25.01\00:42:26.74
Now they have a need
and you fulfill that need
00:42:27.81\00:42:31.38
for their health benefit
00:42:31.78\00:42:33.58
and they
actually see who you are.
00:42:34.28\00:42:37.65
They see you at work.
00:42:38.05\00:42:39.95
They get to know you
00:42:40.16\00:42:41.82
as people who are
caring and loving.
00:42:42.02\00:42:44.36
Yes. And they are more
willing to let you tell them
00:42:44.56\00:42:48.66
about God. We like
to use Christ's model.
00:42:48.86\00:42:53.23
Umm. Christ's model is
you mingle with the people.
00:42:53.44\00:42:56.97
Yes. Right? Um-hmm.
00:42:57.17\00:42:59.44
He showed He cared. And
showed He cared for them
00:42:59.64\00:43:02.78
& then He got their confidence,
He gained their confidence.
00:43:02.98\00:43:06.72
And then He said: "Hey,
there's one more thing left:
00:43:07.12\00:43:09.55
follow Me. " Follow Me!
00:43:09.75\00:43:11.89
And with the health
message you are able to go in
00:43:12.09\00:43:14.89
and start to mingle.
00:43:15.09\00:43:16.99
Because without that, you
haven't had an opportunity
00:43:17.19\00:43:20.16
to go into many
areas. These NCDs...
00:43:20.36\00:43:22.60
we believe it's the way
the Lord has provided a wedge -
00:43:22.80\00:43:27.57
entering wedge - where the
health message could go through
00:43:28.90\00:43:31.94
and bring people to God.
00:43:33.78\00:43:36.28
It's the right
hand of the gospel.
00:43:38.55\00:43:40.98
And there's another point
to it all, too, that I see
00:43:41.98\00:43:45.52
and that is the third that
00:43:46.96\00:43:52.06
is from the Western diet
00:43:52.26\00:43:54.16
is something that
the people in the islands
00:43:54.36\00:43:57.50
and in Fiji we're
talking about specifically
00:43:57.70\00:44:00.24
at this time but we know other
island nations are the same
00:44:00.44\00:44:03.10
is food that they
are not used to...
00:44:04.01\00:44:07.61
And we know in Western society
that we have had these...
00:44:08.01\00:44:12.21
this type of food
for a long time now.
00:44:12.41\00:44:15.18
Fast food; processed food, etc.
00:44:15.58\00:44:19.45
And we know about genetics
00:44:19.95\00:44:21.92
and the impact that that has.
00:44:22.96\00:44:24.89
And so when we bring
00:44:25.39\00:44:28.20
the wrong type of food to
people who are not used to
00:44:28.70\00:44:32.17
that type of food it is
going to change your genetics.
00:44:32.37\00:44:37.04
Yes. So that
different... the next generation
00:44:37.24\00:44:41.14
is going to have the
wrong genes turned on.
00:44:41.34\00:44:44.68
Because we know in epigenetics
genes can be turned on and off
00:44:44.88\00:44:47.25
through lifestyle. Right.
00:44:47.45\00:44:49.25
And so you have the
wrong lifestyle the wrong genes
00:44:49.65\00:44:52.09
will be turned on... the
good genes will be turned off.
00:44:52.29\00:44:55.72
And so it's going to
have an even greater impact
00:44:56.52\00:44:58.93
on society and
nations like yours.
00:44:59.13\00:45:02.13
As the parents partake
of these foods as children,
00:45:03.10\00:45:07.74
they grow up,
they have children,
00:45:07.94\00:45:09.30
and their children are
born to people who've already
00:45:09.50\00:45:12.34
started having these impacts.
00:45:12.54\00:45:14.08
So then through genetics it
actually affects them even more.
00:45:14.28\00:45:17.45
I think we are
beginning to pay for the price
00:45:18.21\00:45:20.85
of what happened 20-30
years ago when we started
00:45:21.05\00:45:24.55
to change our diet.
Yes. I think this is
00:45:24.75\00:45:27.66
the result of it. And
it will continue if we
00:45:27.86\00:45:32.19
don't do anything about it.
00:45:32.39\00:45:33.73
I mean, we see so
many obese children
00:45:33.90\00:45:36.77
in our society in
Western countries.
00:45:36.97\00:45:40.27
I know in Canada, the US,
Australia, and probably England
00:45:40.47\00:45:44.34
and other European nations, too,
00:45:44.54\00:45:46.61
obese children is
one of our big problems.
00:45:46.81\00:45:50.25
Young people having heart
attacks because of the wrong
00:45:50.65\00:45:55.02
food that their parents
and their grandparents ate
00:45:55.22\00:45:57.45
and the lifestyle
that they've taken on.
00:45:57.65\00:45:59.99
They say there's a lot
of things that are genetic
00:46:00.19\00:46:01.79
but they're genetic
through the fact that
00:46:01.99\00:46:03.89
the genes are impacted but also
they live the same lifestyle.
00:46:04.39\00:46:09.76
It is only when you break that
cycle and change your lifestyle
00:46:10.73\00:46:14.27
that you can actually do
something about fixing it.
00:46:14.47\00:46:17.37
So that's what you're
teaching people to do.
00:46:18.34\00:46:20.94
Repairer of the breach. Yes!
00:46:21.14\00:46:23.14
Yes. So the long-term
plan? And I know as a Fijian
00:46:24.18\00:46:29.35
what would you want for
all your people in Fiji?
00:46:29.55\00:46:32.09
What is that you are
trying to accomplish?
00:46:32.29\00:46:34.72
Is it just that they
live better? Or what else?
00:46:34.92\00:46:38.53
What is it? I want
people to be saved.
00:46:38.73\00:46:41.06
Yes. People to be saved
physically and spiritually.
00:46:41.26\00:46:44.47
That is our long-term plan:
that we have a lot more people
00:46:45.33\00:46:49.24
that will not be... succumb
to the present circumstances
00:46:49.44\00:46:54.78
that we have. Hmm.
They don't fall victim
00:46:54.98\00:46:58.65
to this plague that is
sweeping across the Pacific
00:46:58.85\00:47:02.58
through ignorance and
through wrong lifestyle.
00:47:02.78\00:47:06.42
A lot of them
don't know what to do.
00:47:06.62\00:47:08.69
A lot of them don't know
I have high blood pressure.
00:47:09.09\00:47:11.53
A lot of them don't know why
do I have high blood pressure.
00:47:11.73\00:47:15.96
That's' right. And what
can I do to stop this HBP?
00:47:16.16\00:47:20.94
I don't have to go and
get medication for HBP if I do
00:47:21.14\00:47:25.71
this from now... if I
start changing my lifestyle.
00:47:25.91\00:47:29.84
I think that's... It's
an education process - yes!
00:47:30.65\00:47:33.52
which you've embarked upon,
isn't it? to make people aware.
00:47:33.72\00:47:37.02
Yes. And those
wellness centers are good
00:47:37.22\00:47:39.19
because they actually...
When people come to a wellness
00:47:39.39\00:47:42.52
center, what happens George?
What do they normally do?
00:47:42.72\00:47:44.83
When they come to a
wellness center we give them
00:47:45.03\00:47:47.66
the very basic assessment
of a health assessment.
00:47:47.86\00:47:52.47
They have a questionnaire they
fill in about their lifestyle.
00:47:52.67\00:47:56.37
And then we try to...
00:47:56.57\00:47:58.01
The Division has this thing
called My Wellness Snapshot
00:47:58.21\00:48:02.04
that they fill in. And
you put it into a database
00:48:02.24\00:48:05.31
and it comes up with your
answers and what you can do.
00:48:05.51\00:48:08.48
So we do have an
education process.
00:48:08.68\00:48:10.55
So it gives a result and
then something to change.
00:48:10.75\00:48:14.29
Something can change...
what you can do to change
00:48:14.49\00:48:16.12
and offers them the back-up
programs that they can come to
00:48:16.52\00:48:22.46
and be part of. So they can
come back to the wellness center
00:48:22.66\00:48:25.23
and ask: "How am I going? "
"How am I going? " You know?
00:48:25.43\00:48:29.04
"Am I doing right or
do I need to do more? "
00:48:29.24\00:48:32.17
We need to review
them. We have programs like
00:48:32.37\00:48:35.61
Five-Day Jump-Start Programs -
00:48:35.81\00:48:38.01
OK - the CHIP Program... depend-
ing on their circumstances.
00:48:38.21\00:48:42.92
So are they learning how to cook
good food, going back because
00:48:43.12\00:48:47.06
I know when you buy
that processed food it's like
00:48:47.26\00:48:49.32
open a packet, put it in
water, boil it, or some process
00:48:49.52\00:48:53.33
and that's it. But is that an
art that has sort of disappeared
00:48:53.53\00:48:58.50
a little bit? Yes.
Because the next generation are
00:48:58.70\00:49:01.97
learning from this generation
who you are trying to reach.
00:49:02.17\00:49:04.64
Is that right? Right.
We are trying to reach
00:49:04.84\00:49:06.78
you know the new generation
using a lot of young people.
00:49:06.98\00:49:10.08
OK. A lot of young people
to teach them to prepare food.
00:49:10.28\00:49:15.08
Prepare holistic foods
and prepare healthy foods.
00:49:15.28\00:49:17.92
Hmm. That's one of the
main thrusts that we have.
00:49:18.12\00:49:21.09
Because everything boils
back to food and exercise.
00:49:21.59\00:49:26.33
So Fiji is a volcanic
environment, is that right?
00:49:26.53\00:49:30.67
No active volcanoes. No?
00:49:30.87\00:49:33.67
There's a saying, you know...
Oh, in terms of growing food!
00:49:33.87\00:49:38.04
Yes, yes, yes. We
call it organic volcanic.
00:49:38.24\00:49:41.68
No... volcanic organic. Yes.
00:49:41.88\00:49:43.55
So you know, the
food there must be good.
00:49:43.75\00:49:46.51
It must be good if you grow...
It grows well there, doesn't it?
00:49:46.72\00:49:49.62
Food grows very well
there... food grows very well.
00:49:49.82\00:49:53.56
But there is a problem.
You know, the problem is that
00:49:53.76\00:49:56.26
imported foods are a
lot cheaper and tastier.
00:49:56.46\00:49:59.16
Uh-huh? You know,
like noodles and rice.
00:49:59.36\00:50:02.46
And has all those
food enhancers. Yes.
00:50:02.66\00:50:04.87
Some of these foods the
government has to step in
00:50:05.07\00:50:07.44
and say: "Hey, we are going
to increase taxes on these"
00:50:07.84\00:50:10.91
so that it's a deterrent
for people to keep buying that
00:50:11.11\00:50:16.01
and to turn them back into
the basic plant-based foods.
00:50:16.21\00:50:20.12
And the younger generation...
do they know how to grow
00:50:20.32\00:50:23.59
their food or have they just
become reliant on buying things?
00:50:23.79\00:50:26.72
One of the programs that
we are trying to implement
00:50:26.92\00:50:29.89
to follow-up in these wellness
programs is a gardening program.
00:50:30.09\00:50:33.06
Um-hmm. Getting people
back to producing their own food
00:50:33.26\00:50:37.00
in their own gardens.
00:50:37.20\00:50:38.53
Not to rely on supermarkets.
I think that's very important.
00:50:38.67\00:50:44.57
I believe it is, too. Yeah.
00:50:44.77\00:50:46.44
I think also it's very impor-
tant... you mentioned before
00:50:46.64\00:50:49.04
a lot of people are
ignorant. They don't know
00:50:49.24\00:50:52.01
what... that this type of food
is giving them these illnesses.
00:50:52.21\00:50:58.05
That it is actually the cause -
00:50:58.45\00:51:01.22
that's it! of
what they don't know.
00:51:01.42\00:51:04.33
They're not told
until people like yourself
00:51:04.53\00:51:07.73
come and say: "Let's
give you some information here
00:51:07.93\00:51:11.67
and we will help you
to know how to get well. "
00:51:12.17\00:51:14.50
The other thing is
doing the cooking classes.
00:51:16.00\00:51:18.37
You mentioned, you know,
teaching people how to cook.
00:51:18.57\00:51:21.28
That is SO important because
we can go and tell people
00:51:22.01\00:51:25.38
"Oh, you need to
change your lifestyle. "
00:51:25.78\00:51:28.02
"You need to get back and
eat some other sort of food. "
00:51:28.22\00:51:30.99
Or whatever... and
James in the Bible, he writes:
00:51:31.15\00:51:35.79
You know, "If you see
a person who has not got
00:51:35.99\00:51:39.16
enough clothing...
they're cold, they're wretched,
00:51:39.36\00:51:43.06
they're miserable sort of
thing and you say: 'Oh, be
00:51:43.26\00:51:47.24
warmed and fed' and you walk
off and don't supply their need
00:51:47.44\00:51:51.07
what good have
you done for them? "
00:51:51.27\00:51:53.01
So you can tell them:
"Oh, you need to change your
00:51:53.41\00:51:55.38
lifestyle and you need to
change what you're eating"
00:51:55.58\00:51:57.38
but you have to give them the
resources, the information on
00:51:57.78\00:52:01.52
HOW to do it. You
have to instruct them
00:52:01.72\00:52:03.82
on how to cook
healthier food; what to eat.
00:52:04.02\00:52:07.99
What is better for their health.
00:52:08.19\00:52:10.36
And things that
are not hard to do
00:52:11.36\00:52:13.40
'cause people
prefer to do things easier.
00:52:13.60\00:52:16.20
People are so busy these days.
00:52:16.40\00:52:17.93
So doing that is
such an important point
00:52:18.70\00:52:21.14
or part of the lifestyle
changes they have to make
00:52:21.34\00:52:24.64
and what you are doing for them.
00:52:24.84\00:52:26.17
Interesting you brought
resources up in these lessons.
00:52:26.24\00:52:30.35
I think it's important for us
to develop our own resources -
00:52:30.55\00:52:33.78
hmm - in terms of
using local foods.
00:52:33.98\00:52:36.92
Make local foods more palatable;
make local foods more accessible
00:52:37.12\00:52:41.56
and teach them how
to USE local foods.
00:52:41.76\00:52:44.36
A lot of these resources that
come out here are from America
00:52:44.56\00:52:48.16
or from Australia - hmm -
00:52:48.36\00:52:49.70
with broccoli and strawberries
and all that that we don't have.
00:52:49.83\00:52:55.37
You know I'm talking about menus
and recipes that come out here.
00:52:56.34\00:53:00.64
So we are working hard
in trying to get our own...
00:53:00.84\00:53:04.08
our own resources. You've
got good food, George. Yes!
00:53:04.28\00:53:06.68
And we've got to go out.
We're going to take a moment
00:53:06.88\00:53:08.35
for a moment. We're
talking with George Kwong.
00:53:08.55\00:53:10.49
He's from Fiji. He's
involved in the health work.
00:53:10.69\00:53:13.56
But... And I'm sure
there are some people out there
00:53:13.76\00:53:16.73
who think: "It's interesting
it's happening out there.
00:53:16.93\00:53:20.20
It should be happening HERE. "
00:53:20.40\00:53:21.73
And if you are
enjoying these programs,
00:53:21.76\00:53:24.23
we'd love to hear your
comments about this program
00:53:24.43\00:53:27.30
and others, and we'd
encourage you to continue
00:53:27.50\00:53:29.90
supporting us
as you are able to.
00:53:30.11\00:53:33.71
And if you want to do that you
can contact us at this address:
00:53:33.91\00:53:36.98
Thank you for all you do
to help us light the world
00:54:32.27\00:54:34.74
with the glory of God's truth.
00:54:34.94\00:54:36.64
We love to hear from you
so don't forget to contact us.
00:54:39.24\00:54:42.28
We also have a website
address for the 10,000 Toes...
00:54:42.48\00:54:47.52
what do you call it?
program that is being held
00:54:49.48\00:54:52.02
out in the islands by the
Seventh-day Adventist church
00:54:52.22\00:54:55.19
to try and help
people who have diabetes
00:54:55.39\00:54:57.76
to save their limbs
and not have them amputated
00:54:58.16\00:55:02.26
by getting well. And it is:
00:55:02.46\00:55:04.33
So go there if you want to
find out more about that program
00:55:17.71\00:55:20.98
and support it, too, if
you want to. That'd be helpful.
00:55:21.18\00:55:25.65
We are talking with
George Kwong from Fiji.
00:55:25.85\00:55:28.76
Bula! Bula.
00:55:28.96\00:55:31.36
I've never been to Fiji but it's
somewhere I would like to go.
00:55:31.56\00:55:34.90
Now we're talking about the
health programs that are being
00:55:36.70\00:55:39.03
run out there. Just run
by us the story of a patient,
00:55:39.23\00:55:43.94
a diabetic patient in
the village of Namaka.
00:55:44.14\00:55:48.81
Namaka. Yes, yes, yes.
00:55:49.01\00:55:50.95
Yeah. When we open up
wellness centers one the things
00:55:51.15\00:55:54.75
we do is have a little
health expo with the churches -
00:55:54.95\00:55:58.39
hmm - to reach
out to the community.
00:55:58.59\00:56:01.12
And we had this man walk in.
00:56:01.92\00:56:03.79
You know, he had just
been back from hospital
00:56:05.03\00:56:07.96
and they wanted
to amputate his leg.
00:56:08.16\00:56:12.63
He was an
Assembly of God pastor.
00:56:12.83\00:56:15.37
And he came in then he
told the hospital people
00:56:15.57\00:56:19.71
"I have heard about this
place in Namaka that they
00:56:19.91\00:56:24.01
can help or they
do health screenings.
00:56:24.21\00:56:26.68
I think I will
pass the amputation.
00:56:26.88\00:56:29.85
I won't have the amputation
but I will go to them. "
00:56:30.05\00:56:33.96
Anyway, he came there
00:56:34.16\00:56:35.49
and we checked his blood
sugar out and everything.
00:56:35.52\00:56:39.09
And he was really in
pain. So he went home
00:56:39.29\00:56:43.53
and we sent two medical
missionary young ladies there.
00:56:43.73\00:56:46.50
One of them it
sitting at the back there.
00:56:46.70\00:56:48.77
And we sent these
medical missionary ladies
00:56:48.97\00:56:52.91
in to work on his limb.
00:56:53.11\00:56:57.28
They changed his diet; they
started and exercise program.
00:56:57.48\00:57:02.08
Complete plant-based diet.
00:57:02.28\00:57:04.35
And in three weeks
there was an amazing change.
00:57:05.19\00:57:10.23
I was sitting at his
workplace when I saw him walk
00:57:10.43\00:57:15.70
to come back to work.
00:57:15.90\00:57:17.47
He was bedridden,
and as a result of that
00:57:17.63\00:57:21.10
he's telling all his people
about this wonderful thing that
00:57:21.30\00:57:24.97
you can do to
change your lifestyle
00:57:25.17\00:57:27.64
by changing your diet and
just following the very simple
00:57:27.84\00:57:31.95
principles of health.
00:57:32.15\00:57:33.48
You know, that's a terrific
way to conclude our program.
00:57:33.58\00:57:35.92
What we've been
talking about WORKS!
00:57:36.12\00:57:38.19
And you can be involved
in it too by eating right
00:57:38.39\00:57:41.19
and following God's
principles. Thank you, George.
00:57:41.39\00:57:44.06
Until next time
may God bless you.
00:57:44.26\00:57:45.93