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Series Code: NOW
Program Code: NOW019018A
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00:15 This is 3ABN Now
00:17 with John and Rosemary Malkiewycz. 00:21 Hello, and welcome to today's program. 00:24 We know that, 00:25 but don't we that they're going to enjoy today's program. 00:28 I'm sure we're going to enjoy it. 00:30 Yes, we have someone here who, you know, 00:32 there's retirement and there's retirement. 00:35 Some people live and work to retire. 00:40 It's what they dream of, it's what they waiting for. 00:44 And some people retire and they retire, 00:50 and they retire. 00:52 And they don't seem to quite know 00:54 what retirement is or to even get there. 00:57 And today, we have someone who doesn't know how to retire. 01:03 It's Manuel Escorcio, hello. 01:07 I'm afraid of retirement. 01:09 Ready to get bored, you know. 01:12 So you've mentioned something interesting 01:14 in your opening statement. 01:16 I actually retired to start living and starting. 01:19 So we just reverse the presence in that. 01:22 Very nice to be here in Australia with you again. 01:25 Yes, it's good to see you back here again. 01:27 We did introduce Manuel to many people 01:31 about two, three years ago? 01:33 Yeah, about three years ago. 01:34 On this program. 01:36 I got to learn a little bit about him. 01:37 A lot. 01:39 But there's still a lot more to learn, isn't it? 01:42 And one of the things we're going to do 01:45 is there will be people, viewers I know 01:49 who do not know who you are. 01:51 So we're going to go through some of your history again. 01:53 And then we're going to come on to today. 01:56 And what you're doing now in your non retirement? 02:01 How many times have you tried to retire? 02:04 This is going to be fun. 02:05 This is gonna, I can just hear them. 02:07 I'm ready for it. 02:09 I remember a few years ago up 02:11 at the South Queensland Conference, 02:16 you brought some other men with you from South Africa 02:19 and that's where Manuel is from, 02:22 even though it's a different name. 02:24 And you brought a few of them, one was Pierre van Westhuizen. 02:30 And you said that you were retiring 02:33 and handing the torch to him. 02:36 So called the mantle, the mantle. 02:37 The mantle. The mantle. 02:38 Yes. 02:40 And that was a number of years ago, 02:42 and you still haven't retired. 02:44 Because I've been for 42 years busy, 02:47 you know, on stage, you know. 02:50 It's part of your life, isn't it? 02:52 It is my life because I started 02:54 as a young singing lecturer 02:57 at the University of Stellenbosch 02:58 outside of Cape Town. 03:00 So when I finished my master's degree, 03:02 I actually finished theology first, 03:05 realized that something interesting 03:07 and weird happened. 03:10 There were five of us that graduated, 03:12 four were married, 03:13 and I was the Benjamin of the whole lot. 03:16 And so, because our church is not so very big inside 03:19 at that stage as well. 03:21 They gave the full course to the married men. 03:24 They had priority, obviously. 03:27 And so there was no call for me. 03:28 Now what do you do? 03:30 And I went to my singing teacher Mrs. Wilh Dunbar. 03:33 And I said, "Aunty Wilh, what do I do now?" 03:36 And she said something interesting. 03:37 When God closes one door here, 03:40 just look for the other one that He will open. 03:42 That's a good thought. 03:44 Good philosophy. 03:45 And by the way, I was a poor student. 03:47 I lived with my, with the Dunbars for four years 03:52 I didn't have anywhere to go. 03:54 I hitchhiked all the way 16 kilometers 03:57 to go to university every day. 03:58 I didn't have money for a car, you know, 04:01 hitchhiked back and Aunty Wilh took me to Stellenbosch 04:05 and it was already late in January. 04:09 And mercifully I got the bursary 04:12 from the State University for an immigrant students. 04:18 Because as you know, I'm Portuguese, 04:20 I'm cosmopolitan. 04:22 My mom is from Mauritius. 04:23 My dad from little island called Madeira 04:26 out in the middle of the Atlantic, 04:28 a very beautiful island. 04:29 And they named the cake after your island. 04:30 You bet. 04:32 Did they name the island after the cake? 04:35 Madeira cake, Madeira, very, very, 04:39 a lot of sugar but very beautiful. 04:42 And then, of course, my dad immigrated all the way 04:45 to Africa to the Portuguese colony 04:48 of Mozambique, as you know, 04:49 Portugal had colonies, you know, all over. 04:52 If you talk about East Timor, that was a Portuguese colony. 04:57 Timor-Leste, if you talk about Macau, 05:00 there was a Portuguese colony. 05:02 I met the other day a gentleman 05:03 and I looked at his surname Mascarenhas. 05:06 I said, "You're an Indian, 05:08 but you are from Portuguese origin from Goa." 05:11 He said, "How did you know that?" 05:14 And I said, "Because that's a very 05:16 Portuguese Indian name from the times of the..." 05:19 So anyway, I came out of the colonies, 05:21 I was born in East Africa, 05:23 couldn't speak a word of English. 05:24 I had to come to South Africa because of the border war, 05:28 the freedom war in those days. 05:30 And something horrible happened that here, 05:32 my mom's sister's eldest son got killed up at the border. 05:37 And my dad said, "You getting out there, 05:39 and you don't return home." 05:42 So I never ever saw my home until about 32 years later, 05:45 when I become somebody. 05:48 And the Portuguese Ambassador actually called me and said, 05:52 "I have a knighthood from Portugal. 05:55 It's called Comendador. 05:57 It's for your services to music and my government 06:00 just gave me the medal, whatever and the title. 06:05 So I went back and saw my home, 06:07 saw my little Adventist Church where I'd been baptized 06:10 when I was 16 years of age. 06:12 It was weird to go back and to relive the memories 06:16 and you know, kind of like, 06:20 look back at what my life 06:22 would have been if I had not left Mozambique, 06:26 if I'd stayed over there. 06:27 And the Lord had plans for me, you see how things work. 06:31 So once again, to be within the plan of the Lord 06:35 is the most amazing thing. 06:36 So did you have any brothers and sisters? 06:38 My dad was married to a lady in Madeira. 06:43 She died, you know, 06:44 at 25 and my dad lost the baby boy, 06:47 and lost his wife. 06:48 And he left his five-year-old daughter, 06:50 my sister in Madeira. 06:53 And saw her 13 years later 06:55 when she came then to Mozambique, 06:57 obviously, so my sister is 20 years old than I. 07:00 When I was born, she already had a child. 07:02 So and then my brother the same thing, you know, 07:06 my brother, my dad was a Catholic 07:08 so he became an Adventist. 07:10 So from my father's side, they, 07:13 although my dad obviously was baptized, 07:17 gave his heart to the Lord completely 07:19 and became a Seventh-day Adventist. 07:21 And beautiful one at that, he baptized at 65. 07:25 Is that right? 07:27 Can you believe it? 07:28 There's still hope. 07:30 There's still hope. 07:31 So did you have... After you retire. 07:32 What about, no, you mentioned your brother? 07:35 So my brother is my mom, my mom's child, 07:38 because my mother was a widow at 20 07:41 and her husband died tuberculosis 24. 07:44 My brother was a year and a half. 07:46 And so my dad brought him up 07:47 when my mom and my dad married. 07:49 There was one condition, you have a daughter Manuel, 07:52 his name was Manuel. 07:53 Maria, you have a son. 07:55 No more children. 07:57 Bang Oh, sorry about the microphone. 08:01 So I was born so there's that's why there's a age 08:04 difference of 20, 10 and then one, me, 08:08 you know when I was one when they were big already. 08:11 Yes. 08:12 You were the spoilt, unexpected. 08:17 You know, we have a Bible text that you had chosen, 08:20 and we haven't even said it yet. 08:22 John is going to read it. 08:23 I'm going to write it. 08:25 Because you love this is, it's from Psalms 08:26 and you love this Psalm. 08:28 You know, I like the Book of Psalms. 08:30 It's a very uplifting book. 08:32 Absolutely. 08:33 And I find that in Psalms 23. 08:35 And you've chosen Psalms 23:1, it says, 08:37 "The Lord is my shepherd. 08:39 I shall not want." 08:41 Ain't that encouraging statement? 08:43 It envelops everything about the human being, isn't it? 08:47 And the reason why I like it is that in my language 08:50 in my mother tongue Portuguese... 08:52 Or you can say it in your mother tongue, 08:53 someone out there will understand. 08:57 Nada milfoltara. 08:59 Nada, nothing, I shall not want anything. 09:02 But the wonderful thing is that the word pastor 09:05 in Portuguese is the word for shepherd. 09:08 So we call a pastor, 09:09 but a pastor is I'm actually saying Pastor John, 09:14 I'm saying shepherd John. 09:15 Isn't that amazing? 09:17 Maybe we should start doing that. 09:18 Yeah. 09:20 Pastor John, shepherd John. 09:21 Wonderful. 09:22 The Lord is my shepherd. 09:24 Because these sheep are in the pasture. 09:25 Absolutely. 09:26 Pastor and pasture. 09:28 Correct. 09:30 You're good at languages. Yeah. 09:31 No, no, that's interesting. 09:33 You know, it's interesting, you've lived through many. 09:35 I just want to make comment about that verse 09:38 that when I was a little girl, "The Lord is my shepherd, 09:42 I shall not want." 09:44 To me it meant the Lord is my shepherd, 09:46 but I don't want him. 09:47 Oh I shall not want Him. 09:49 I shall not want, I shall not want the shepherd. 09:53 So it was only when I got older that I realized that saying, 09:56 The Lord is my shepherd, so I don't need anything else. 10:00 He supplies it all. 10:01 Correct. 10:03 And, but I didn't have that understanding as a child. 10:05 But that seems so interesting because in Portuguese 10:06 Nada milfoltara it means "I shall not lack of anything." 10:12 It's a different the... 10:14 There's a lovely push there. 10:16 It should actually say, I shall not want anything. 10:18 Yeah. 10:20 But I suppose saying 10:21 they thought it was a given, understood. 10:23 Correct. 10:24 You have lived a life and you, 10:26 and you know God and you know Jesus. 10:28 Is it true? 10:30 Do you lack anything? 10:32 Let me be very honest with you. 10:35 I used to pray, "Lord, I want this," 10:39 and God never gives you what you want. 10:43 God gives you what you need. 10:46 There's a vast difference. 10:48 So when you have what you need, you lack nothing. 10:50 Good answer. 10:51 That's a good answer. 10:53 But sometimes he does also give you what you want. 10:54 Yes, he does. 10:56 Because it says, it will be good for you. 10:57 Correct. 10:58 And as I told you before, 11:01 for 17 years there was no music in my life. 11:04 For 17 years while you grew up? 11:06 Nothing, nothing. 11:08 So where did it come from? 11:09 I learned up at Helderberg College 11:11 in South Africa. 11:13 And music is like everybody singing, 11:15 there's a choir, there's a male choir, 11:17 everybody, there's quartet. 11:18 You didn't have music in your church in Mozambique? 11:21 We did but I never sang in a choir. 11:24 Not in primary school, not in high school, nothing. 11:28 You know, all of a sudden I hear this male choir. 11:32 And I go crazy. 11:34 Now I want to talk, but I can't speak English. 11:37 And then somebody played a record of Mario Lanza. 11:42 Do you remember the student prince Mario Lanza, 11:45 the American tenor, American-Italian tenor, 11:49 you know, and I go, oh, my goodness. 11:52 So I go to while I'm showering in the queue 11:54 because there's nobody there in the dormitory. 11:57 And I go and one of the prefect comes and says, 12:04 shut up. 12:06 This is not an opera house. 12:07 Keep quiet, people are studying. 12:09 So I replied sorry, sorry, me no sing, me no sing, 12:12 me no sing. 12:13 And he had the sense of going to tell 12:16 Mrs. Dunbar the singing teacher. 12:19 This short boy, he comes from Mozambique, 12:22 he's Portuguese, he speaks nothing. 12:24 All he can say is me hungry, me hungry. 12:28 Ma'am, you got to call him. 12:30 So I thought I was in trouble. 12:32 So I go and I say sorry and I took a Portuguese guy 12:35 John, I'll never forget. 12:37 I say, "Tell her, I will not sing, 12:39 I will not make noise anymore." 12:40 Says, "She now want you to sing." 12:42 So now I'm confused. 12:43 So what must I sing? 12:45 He says, "Well sing La-la La-la worked in English 12:47 and in Portuguese, whatever. 12:50 So I said, Okay. 12:51 La-la la-la la-la, pompom, la-la la-la. 12:55 But I'm singing softly she says, 12:57 "No, sing, like when you at the shower, 12:59 making a noise." 13:01 So I said, I'm gonna let it rip. 13:03 And so I opened up, you know, 13:05 and the jaw dropped and dropped and said, 13:08 "You don't know what you got. 13:09 Next year when you speak English better, 13:12 you come for singing lessons." 13:13 This is how I started singing. 13:15 Praise the Lord. 13:18 It took someone to tell someone? 13:20 Yeah. 13:21 Well, you know... 13:22 You see what you said, pardon me, John. 13:24 You said sometime God gives you what you want. 13:26 But in this case, I didn't even ask him. 13:29 Was the biggest present He gave me, biggest present. 13:32 Sorry John. 13:33 So you used, you actually went and studied and... 13:37 Got a theology, finished theology degree. 13:41 No call for me, 13:42 I go back to first year university at 24. 13:45 I did my baccalaureate in music. 13:47 And then I did my Licentiate of Royal Schools of Music. 13:50 And then I did my fellowship in Trinity College of London 13:53 and I did my UNISA, University of South Africa, 13:56 performance diploma so all I can do now 13:58 and I'm planning now ask me, what are you going to do? 14:02 This is a great interview for the listeners, 14:04 because I'm telling them all. 14:06 What are you going to do after you've learned? 14:08 Thank you. 14:09 Oh, she is so pretty. 14:11 I haven't finished. 14:12 What are you going to do after you've learned Russian? 14:14 So I'm trying to learn because I'm a linguist 14:16 and I just play, John... 14:21 Yeah, he knows what it is. 14:22 Yeah... 14:27 How are you? 14:28 Got a shock? Got a shock. 14:30 Little bit of Russian, 14:31 I just love languages and I just... 14:33 That's what it goes with music, doesn't it? 14:37 Languages are just... 14:38 Music is language. 14:39 He told me that he's currently 14:41 learning Russian on the internet. 14:43 I go slowly, but it's difficult. 14:45 It's difficult but I can read, I can write, you know, 14:49 I don't know what I'm writing, you know, 14:51 but once you learn the characters, 14:53 it's a very phonetic language, it's not difficult. 14:56 You see, it just goes to show 14:57 that it's true that the brain is plastic. 15:00 Even when you're old, you can still do new things. 15:05 Now ask me, what am I going to do now when I retire. 15:08 Ask me. 15:09 What are you going to do when you... 15:11 No wait, that's we're going to talk about that later on. 15:13 Okay. 15:16 You are trying to drag me into something 15:19 that we're going to talk about later. 15:22 So you ended up singing, 15:23 you didn't have a job as a pastor, 15:24 you're going to be a singing pastor? 15:26 Yes. 15:27 I couldn't understand and I was a little disappointed 15:29 with the Lord. 15:30 Because when you study and then there's no call for you, 15:31 what do you do? 15:33 You feel rejected, or whatever. 15:35 But God knew exactly what was going to happen. 15:38 By the way, that's a natural response 15:41 what you just said now. 15:42 It is. But God's got other plan. 15:44 He can say, wait, wait Manuel, or, you know, just be patient. 15:50 But we always want everything right away, don't we? 15:53 John, wait is for patient people, 15:56 not for impatient people like me. 15:58 Well, sometimes God has to say wait, 16:00 so we can learn patience. 16:01 You are right. 16:03 You are right. 16:04 Absolutely. I agree. 16:05 So when you were learning music that was, 16:09 it was giving you a basis to sing 16:11 Christian songs and any songs? 16:13 Not at all. 16:14 I sang Christian songs at college. 16:16 But when I went to university, 16:17 you are plunged into what is required, 16:20 which is I sang over 400 leader 16:24 because I could speak French, I could speak Italian. 16:27 I could speak Portuguese, I could speak English. 16:30 And your three basic languages for leader is German. 16:35 You know, Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, all those composers. 16:39 So and then the French repertoire Pulang, Duparc, 16:42 Faure you know, 16:44 so I found that they never had a student 16:46 that could speak all those languages 16:48 at Stellenbosch University. 16:49 So you finished your course at Helderberg? 16:53 Yes, in December, November-December. 16:56 You didn't get a call and so then you got a bursary 17:00 to go to university to study... 17:01 In January. To study? 17:03 Yes. What? 17:04 The Baccalaureate in music, four years of BMus. 17:07 So you're doing a second degree? 17:09 A second degree, another four years, yes. 17:11 And when I finished, I did another two years 17:13 to my master's degree at University of Cape Town 17:16 where I had to write my dissertation. 17:19 And then I was appointed as a lecturer 17:22 at the music faculty. 17:23 So I gave class at university for 3 years, '77, '78, '79. 17:29 And then what happened I was catapulted 17:32 onto the national stage 17:35 because I started my first opera, 17:37 [inaudible], 17:39 and I won the National prize. 17:42 And that was, you see, we spoke before, 17:45 the day was very clever, because all of a sudden, 17:49 I embarked in on an opera career. 17:51 I did 36 operas. 17:53 How did you get into that from being a lecturer? 17:56 All day they pestered me, 17:58 they pestered me, they begged me. 18:01 And I said, "No, no, I'm lecturing." 18:02 But then I was married. 18:04 I had my first child, my wife had my first child, 18:07 I beg your pardon. 18:08 We had. 18:11 The good Lord knew to give you the job 18:14 to have but because I think the good Lord knew 18:16 that we men would, we just die on the spot. 18:20 We wouldn't have the guts like you girls have. 18:23 And that was the beginning of my, listen to me, 18:27 compromise is a very dangerous thing. 18:31 Because it goes a little bit, you say, 18:34 I'll do this just once, 18:36 you know and then it becomes a habit 18:39 and then and then the rehearsals come, 18:42 and you start forgetting about Sabbath. 18:44 Once you get on that, that slippery slope 18:48 and no matter what it is, it could be doctrinal, 18:50 it could be in your work, in a relationship. 18:54 Once you start on that slippery slope, 18:57 there's only one place to go and that's further down. 19:01 And it gets complicated, Rosemary. 19:03 I'll tell you why. 19:04 Because what happens is that you're not only... 19:08 John, you not only start getting loose 19:13 with your principles, 19:15 but other things start adding on, 19:17 then you start taking a drink here on the social. 19:20 Do you understand what I'm talking? 19:22 It develops on a multi-level and then the next thing is, 19:27 you say, so I can't go to church 19:28 because I've got a rehearsal. 19:30 You see, it gets complicated. 19:32 The devil knows if he gets you on one 19:35 simple little thing that you finally give on that, 19:39 then he's got you. 19:41 Because you've put God aside, you say, 19:44 I'm not following you, God, I want to do what I want to do. 19:48 And the other thing is sometimes 19:49 you begin to think, if I don't do this, 19:52 you know, if I don't do this, 19:53 then my career is finished. 19:56 But you know what God does? 19:57 If you do what God says, 19:59 He opens up something totally different that is better. 20:04 But we, we're just like most of us, 20:06 we, once we get into that level, 20:08 we get some popularity 20:10 and people start to express your good, 20:14 you know, you adjust that and then reinforces, well, 20:17 maybe this is what I should be doing. 20:20 You are right. 20:21 You are right. 20:23 Another interesting thing 20:26 is that you are not quite aware 20:30 what's happening. 20:31 It's in precept, you're perceptibly naive, 20:34 would you say in English, 20:36 you know, that things start going. 20:38 And the next thing that happens, 20:40 you find yourself all out in the ocean, you know, 20:44 and that's exactly what happened to me. 20:45 So that in 1990 when I came back to the Lord, 20:49 remember before 1990, 20:51 I wasn't recording sacred music. 20:54 What for? 20:55 I was doing well, 20:57 I'd won all the national prizes, you know. 20:59 And so all of a sudden, the guy comes to the studio 21:01 and says, "Excuse me." 21:03 Bless His soul. 21:05 He's already passed on. 21:07 And Lain said to me, "Manuel, 21:10 you have three pieces of music, sheet music, you know. 21:13 Please go and have a look at that." 21:14 And he walked out, 21:16 that was it while 21:17 I was recording all of those, you know. 21:19 So who is he? 21:20 He was the leader of the beautiful group, 21:22 the Jubilatum singers, who were, 21:26 was the very first big group in South Africa, 21:29 very much molded after the Heritage singers. 21:33 Every time I go to the United States, 21:36 I have supper with Maxmase, 21:38 because I live 45 minutes from where he lives. 21:43 So we always get together and sometimes I sing with them 21:46 when they visit, concert, whatever. 21:50 And this man brought this piece of music called, 21:52 "I have returned to the God of my childhood 21:55 to the same simple faith as a child I once knew, 22:00 like the prodigal son, 22:01 I longed for my loved ones for the comforts of home. 22:05 And the God I outgrew." 22:11 Isn't that powerful, 22:12 and immediately recognized myself in this 22:14 and I look who's a composer, 22:16 Mary John Wilkin that wrote one day at a time. 22:20 Never imagining that when I got the United States. 22:24 As you know, I was the international singing 22:26 soloist for Mark Finley. 22:28 For four years I traveled with him 22:30 all over the country at the late '96 with him 22:33 and I decided to send some CDs to Mary John Wilkin 22:38 got to regress in Nashville and I sent it. 22:41 And the week later, she found and said, 22:43 "I'd love to meet you." 22:44 I said, "Excuse me, ma'am." 22:45 Says, "You've got a special unction 22:47 on your voice." 22:49 And so I then visited 22:51 her number of times in Nashville. 22:53 I got letters that she wrote to me 22:55 personally with a hand and recorded 22:57 some of the songs that she gave me. 23:00 And so the Lord knew, isn't it amazing 23:03 when you can trust God enough to know that your map, 23:08 the map of your life, you know, 23:11 you can see the way He directs you and so on. 23:13 And so God is bringing you back... 23:16 Yes. 23:17 To where He really wanted you in the first place? 23:18 Correct. 23:20 But you mentioned that when you were given 23:22 this music you were recording something else, what was that? 23:24 Of course, the normal... 23:27 Secular? 23:28 Secular music, yes. 23:29 So how many CDs have you recorded? 23:31 I have recorded now 56 CDs productions. 23:35 How many of them would have been Christian CDs? 23:37 Oh, only from 1990 23:40 the first Christian one came out, 23:43 and then I've done one every year, 23:45 every second year, it depends, you know, although, 23:49 let me be very frank with you. 23:52 I do not want to rely on gospel music 23:56 for my daily bread. 23:58 You know, it doesn't work. 23:59 Let's be very honest and before any, you know, 24:03 young people, prospective singers, whatever, 24:07 let me tell you it's better to not to rely on that. 24:12 So you keep that as a ministry. 24:14 So now you asked me, how do I make my living? 24:17 Well, I do a lot of dinners. 24:21 I do concerts with choirs. 24:25 Schools will call me, 24:26 would you perform with the kids? 24:28 You know, I said yes, I will do that. 24:30 And then there's nothing wrong in doing a lovely evening. 24:33 I'm not going to go there to proselytize. 24:36 Ladies mornings, ladies teas, they love it. 24:39 But we never end the concert without a prayer. 24:43 And I tell them, sorry, I know, 24:44 all the other artists don't pray. 24:46 Well, I do pray at the end of my concerts, 24:49 whether it's, you know, whatever the nature. 24:51 You know, I'd like you to know that I'm a Christian 24:53 and I witness, then I witness. 24:55 And amazing enough God has placed us, 24:59 I wish it to myself, why did God allow me 25:02 to become well known in my country? 25:04 I was flying here to Australia. 25:07 And when I connected from Sydney to Brisbane, 25:10 plane stopped and this man tapped me on the shoulder, 25:12 "Excuse me. 25:14 Are you? 25:15 I think you are." 25:16 And I did note the South African accent, 25:18 immediately said, "Yes, I am." 25:19 "I grew up with your music, 25:21 my mom played." 25:22 I mean, he had just finished two rows in front the man 25:25 he hears and says, "Are you Manuel?" 25:28 I say "Yes, I am Manuel. Yeah." 25:30 And so the Lord puts us into certain places. 25:33 Why did he? 25:35 Daniel could have looked and said, 25:37 but this is bad things happening to me. 25:39 Do you know what I'm trying to say? 25:40 Oh, this is negative, you know. 25:42 Hey, in God, there's never a negative. 25:46 There's always a positive. 25:48 He knows what He's doing. 25:50 It might... 25:51 May I remind you that roses also have thorns, not you, 25:54 but roses have thorns, 25:57 yet the beauty of the roses smell the color. 26:00 Yeah, praise the Lord. 26:01 Say God puts you in a place for a purpose. 26:03 Yes. 26:04 And so, you know, that's something to remember 26:06 when we have opportunity, 26:07 we need to not be afraid to tell people about God, 26:11 not to be afraid that we pray, 26:13 that gives courage to others to do the same. 26:16 Not to be afraid to say grace in a public place. 26:19 Absolutely. 26:20 And to witness for Him. 26:21 I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ. 26:25 You must understand 26:26 that I got catapulted into a place 26:28 where I knew most of the ministers 26:30 of the previous, you know, government. 26:34 I did a lot of function for the State President, 26:36 had dinner with him, you know, 26:38 the long tails and the gloves and whatever. 26:41 So we had a lot of influence in those days in South Africa. 26:44 And because I've done over 200 television programs, 26:48 I have done in those times we did full length operas, 26:52 full length shooting for a month, 26:55 talking about television, 26:57 I have done television left and right, you know, whatever. 27:00 We shot three full length operas for television. 27:04 And besides the national did the chat shows, 27:07 and then I had my own program television in South Africa, 27:10 where I had my guest on the show. 27:12 We were catapulted into a place where, you know, 27:17 but you see, at the end of the day, 27:19 God was still calling all the time. 27:22 God never gives up on me, 27:24 I'm going to say this to the people, 27:26 no matter what happens, I got news for you. 27:30 God will never, never give up on you. 27:33 You might give up on God. Yeah. 27:35 You may be in the wrong place... 27:36 You may be in the wrong place. 27:37 You may not be following God. 27:39 But He has a plan and He will work 27:43 to bring you back to it if you cooperate, 27:46 He can't force you. 27:47 But if you cooperate, 27:48 and if He can get your attention, 27:50 He'll bring you back to where He wants you to be. 27:53 I was witnessing on couple of Sundays ago. 27:57 With the Sunday church because 98% of my work 28:00 is that I go and witness Sunday churches. 28:03 And we careful because of the logical issues, 28:06 you know that they don't dump you out and so on. 28:08 But they know pretty well I'm a Seventh-day Adventist. 28:11 Either the Dutch Reformed Church 28:13 or the Pentecostals, 28:14 I've got a lot of friends amongst them. 28:17 And I mentioned that sometimes I might have a conversation 28:22 with the devil and they went, hmm. 28:25 Yeah, I say yeah, I get up and I go to my study, 28:28 I make my study at 9 o'clock every morning. 28:32 And I go, I just want you to know that I, today, 28:38 I want to make known to you that I am serving the Lord. 28:42 By the way, I'm a slave of His. 28:44 I don't want to be a slave of you, 28:45 because in Him I've got freedom. 28:49 And I want you to understand 28:50 that I now give him the authority 28:53 to deal in my life, according to His will. 28:57 Therefore, He is binding you 29:00 that you have no power in my life. 29:03 You not turn around the Lord, say, Lord, 29:04 did you hear what I say to Him? 29:06 Now I want to be Yours, please, 29:09 because God and the devil have an agreement. 29:13 And the agreement is very simple. 29:14 The devil reminded God, like your wife said, 29:17 you will never force anybody. 29:20 You will never force anybody to serve me. 29:24 I mean, do you... 29:25 We're going to force our children to love us 29:27 or the love come from... 29:28 You will love me, 29:30 it is your duty as a son to love me 29:32 and to hug me and to kiss me. 29:34 Goodness me. 29:35 And so God expects us to give Him the authority, 29:40 verbally, mentally and in the heart. 29:42 Submit. 29:43 Submit. 29:45 Thank you, sir. 29:46 That's right. 29:48 Very good. 29:49 What you were talking about before being somewhere 29:50 where you can witness you know, 29:53 even when you go singing in a secular place. 29:57 It reminded me when we're on an airplane 29:58 one time, and John had a copy of Antichrist Agenda, 30:04 which is a 3ABN book. 30:06 And he decided he was going to take it with him. 30:09 We're flying from Perth to Sydney, 30:10 and then on to 3ABN in the US. 30:14 And he started reading the book on the flight from Perth. 30:19 And then he had the book upside down 30:22 on his little table, and he's saying, 30:25 and a steward came along. 30:28 And he said, "Oh, what are you reading?" 30:31 And it was, uh-huh. 30:34 So John turned around, and he said, 30:36 it's called the Antichrist Agenda. 30:38 It said about the beast. 30:41 And the steward just talked and talked. 30:44 And he was so excited. 30:45 I've just started reading the Bible. 30:47 And I, I'd love to have a book like that. 30:50 And so we ended up giving him, 30:51 but he just talked and talked for ages, didn't he? 30:54 And then when we're getting off the plane, 30:55 someone a couple of rows back said, 30:58 it was so nice to know, 31:00 there are other Christians on this flight. 31:03 So people were all listening to this conversation. 31:07 He wasn't talking quite, Manuel. 31:08 No, he wasn't. 31:10 Everybody could hear him. 31:11 He was so excited to see this book, 31:13 and to actually be given the book. 31:16 You see, sometimes God takes negative things 31:18 like my son's death 10 years ago. 31:21 What came out of that, one start singing, 31:24 Why did you allow the beautiful, strong, 31:27 healthy 29-year-old man, young man 31:30 who jumped into save the other guy, 31:32 and both of them were... 31:33 What good came out of that? 31:35 Let me tell you, 31:37 the amount of people that we witness, 31:42 people that write to me must remember my number is, 31:44 you know, in all the CDs, you know, and all the, 31:47 whatever, you know, emails, can you please help me? 31:52 God has not given me another function, 31:55 another ministry, whatever you want to call it, 31:57 it makes no difference, you know, 31:59 because now all of a sudden, 32:00 I understand that throughout the negative thing 32:04 that happened, so much positive can come out of. 32:08 And so, I praise the Lord because my ministry. 32:11 So I never went to the ministry. 32:15 I never went to the ministry? 32:16 No, you have a ministry. 32:17 Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. 32:19 But you see the thing is that devil does things 32:21 in our lives to bring us to negativity. 32:23 Correct. 32:25 Whereas that's where he dwells. 32:26 Correct. 32:27 God dwells in the positive. 32:29 You look at the verses in the Bible, and you know, 32:32 in Ephesians Chapter 4, the old things are passed away, 32:37 give up the anger, the theft, and all these negative things. 32:42 Give up the malice, 32:43 the bitterness and all those things 32:45 and be kind, tenderhearted, forgiving. 32:49 Our church and I'm so glad you brought that up. 32:52 I was going to ask you, 32:54 what do you think is the greatest 32:56 need of our church today? 33:00 I'm interested. 33:02 Our relationships with each other through God 33:05 and the character of God in us. 33:07 I see, we are so right in our doctrines. 33:10 Boy, we are perfect. 33:12 And yet I look, I go to Israel very often. 33:17 I've been four times, 33:18 I'll be going in March back again next year. 33:21 Take a group of people always. 33:22 I've seen people wouldn't didn't even dream 33:25 about getting baptized in that trip making, you know, 33:29 the decision for the Lord, you know, because I, what I do, 33:31 I advertise my trips every year at my concerts, 33:35 and my fans come with me and they pay for me. 33:38 And they give me a bit of money for pocket money, 33:40 and they just want to be with me. 33:43 And so, that's another big opportunity to witness 33:46 you know, to walk there where Jesus walked. 33:49 I walked today where Jesus walked in there. 33:52 It is like things come sort of alive. 33:55 But at the end of the day, going back to the church, 34:00 when the church is not united, 34:02 when there's so much struggle and so much 34:05 what do you call this in English Friction. 34:07 Friction. 34:08 This is a denial of the gospel. 34:12 I don't care how right you are, 34:15 how many Sabbath's perfect you kept 34:18 and how much tithe you've paid. 34:20 The essential thing is that what Christ said, 34:24 so that they can be as one as I am with you. 34:28 If the church does not get that right, 34:32 we have a serious problem in our church. 34:35 That's right. 34:36 That's a very difficult situation we are 34:38 and part of because there's so much polarization. 34:44 But, okay, they were, all right, Rosemary. 34:46 There was polarization also in Jesus' time. 34:49 I mean, those guys, you know... 34:50 But not in the early church. 34:52 No, no. 34:53 So this is, I keep on saying, do we need more light? 34:56 Do we need more? No. 34:58 We need to get back to that state 35:01 where this church is known, 35:03 firstly, for its Christianity, 35:06 for its love, and for its unity. 35:10 Those are non-negotiables as far as I'm concerned. 35:14 So I go and I tell a guy about the Sabbath. 35:18 And I go, don't go from a legal way, 35:20 you have to keep the Sabbath because the law says 35:22 you have to keep the Sabbath. 35:24 You know what? 35:25 I wanted to ask John last night to submit me proof. 35:28 We slept at your place. 35:29 Thank you so much for your hospitality, 35:31 and for the good food and the love. 35:33 John proved to me that you love this woman. 35:36 So John goes to the drawer and picks out your legal, 35:41 your legal documents, you know, that you signed. 35:45 How many years you've been married? 35:47 Twenty six. 35:48 Twenty six. And 26. 35:50 And this John, you know, 35:52 with this Ukrainian background comes with proofs to me 35:56 that he loves his wife, 35:57 by holding out a legal document, 35:59 this is, I love my wife. 36:01 And I'll go John, John. 36:04 I got it right, you know. 36:06 You got legal right, but show me that you love. 36:09 You see, this is the difference. 36:11 The Seventh-day Adventist should be known 36:13 as the most loving church. 36:15 And this is why we do ADRA. 36:17 We don't do it because we want to try to, 36:20 you know, prove to the world 36:21 what a great organization we are. 36:23 We do it because we love people, 36:26 because we care people. 36:27 And that's the decision I've also made. 36:29 So I don't care about that. 36:31 I am going to try to be a loving Christian 36:34 and just to show the love of Jesus 36:36 through my songs, and bless them. 36:40 This world is rotten, my country is rotten. 36:43 My country is full of hatred and violence. 36:47 After 25 years down the road, 36:50 when things have been made right, 36:51 things would come good. 36:53 But do you see any other country very much different? 36:56 We're living in a time where evil is called good 36:59 and good is called evil. 37:00 You are right. 37:01 And so we're seeing a change in society 37:04 and how they react. 37:05 And really, the Bible is, I believe, 37:08 is the stabilizing influence. 37:10 It teaches the principles of loving someone, 37:13 being kind to him, showing care for them. 37:16 These are the things, by the way, 37:18 which Jesus did when He came to this earth. 37:19 Correct. Yeah. 37:21 I agree with you. 37:22 I agree 100% with you. 37:23 And as we're told, when Jesus did all that, 37:26 He then said, "Follow me." 37:28 Thank you. 37:29 He said, "Now do what I do, live like I live, 37:33 believe like I believe." 37:35 And that people show a difference between Jesus 37:38 and the establishment of the day. 37:40 Now the establishment of the day says, Jesus, 37:43 He has a prostitute. 37:45 Now the law says kill him. 37:47 Now, Rosemary, do you know 37:49 what feeling it is for a dozen of men 37:52 to take stones and stone a woman going through 37:56 the brain going through the eyes, 37:59 and yet they were so perfectly righteous 38:02 with God because they were doing what the law said. 38:05 Jesus comes and says, You know what? 38:07 Lift up the law. 38:09 underneath here, there's love, forgiveness, forbearance. 38:14 So He turns around to the woman, said, 38:15 "Go and sin no more, your sins are forgiven." 38:19 And that is what you spoke about, 38:20 the way Jesus acted, 38:23 and the way the church of the day acted 38:26 'cause that was the church of the day. 38:27 And that's where we get Romans 13:8-10, 38:32 that love is the fulfilling of the law... 38:37 Thank you, ma'am. 38:38 Because the Ten Commandments are all about love. 38:40 Absolutely. 38:41 They're not about, you have to obey me. 38:43 It's all about what you do to other people. 38:46 And when you look at those verses, 38:48 you cannot misunderstand because it quotes 38:50 the Ten Commandments, 38:52 that they are the fulfilling of the law, 38:55 that love is the fulfilling of those verses, 38:57 of those commandments to not steal, to not kill, 39:01 to not commit adultery, to not be a false witness, etc. 39:04 Because if we love God, 39:07 we will love to do what He says. 39:09 Absolutely. 39:11 You look at the fundamental doctrines of our church. 39:13 Go and look at them at the close range. 39:18 They all have to do with love. 39:22 If they're not intrinsically bound and, 39:26 you know, as a chain to love, they are useless. 39:29 If you love someone, you will not steal from them. 39:32 You will not steal. 39:33 If you love some, and if you're the one 39:35 that someone's going to steal from you really wish 39:37 that they'd love you. 39:39 They wouldn't do it. 39:40 If you love someone, you won't kill them, 39:41 you won't take their wife or their husband. 39:44 You won't take away the good name 39:47 that they have and try and slander it 39:49 and smear it in the dirt, 39:50 you won't want what they've got. 39:53 And if you really love God, 39:54 you want to do the things He says, 39:56 you won't want to take His name in vain, 39:58 you won't want an idol, 39:59 you want to keep the day he says, 40:01 and you will want to honor your prayers. 40:02 Why do I keep Sabbath? 40:05 Because you love God. 40:06 That's exactly. 40:07 It's a love moment. 40:09 What a brilliant day, that God stops and says, 40:13 "I'm willing to come with you." 40:15 This is about the relationship. 40:17 You know, why must I pay, 40:19 think of money about paying tithes? 40:21 That is got nothing to do with money, 40:23 comes at the end, you know, at the end, 40:25 it's got to do with the relationship. 40:27 It's got to do with the God that says, 40:29 "Would you like to be my partner?" 40:32 Yes, John, I want to start the business 40:34 with you in Australia, only one condition, please, 40:38 the profits I take 90 and you can have 10. 40:42 You see the wonderful garden, 40:44 I'll give you 90, my boy, you know, 40:46 let me bless you, test me. 40:49 And this is the wonderful God, 40:51 I pray for our church every day. 40:53 One thing, Lord help this church, 40:56 every member to be more loving every day, 41:00 more loving every day. 41:02 With that 9% or 90% and that 10%. 41:07 He says, "If you keep the 90% and give me the 10, 41:11 I'll give you even more," Even more, even more. 41:15 Praise the Lord. 41:16 That's a very good subject. 41:18 Well, I'm glad we got under those things. 41:19 But I want to just come back to your music career. 41:22 You know, I think about Christian music. 41:26 And I'll use the word secular music 41:27 that's non-Christian music, 41:29 whether it be operator or whatever, 41:31 as a performer, as a performer, 41:35 when you're singing non scriptural music, 41:38 who's singing and for what purpose 41:40 do you sing that, Manuel? 41:42 I will answer that. 41:44 It's easy answer to do. 41:50 In life, we have different aspects of life, 41:55 you know, whether it's eating, whether it's whatever. 41:58 But the Bible gives us a very, very straightforward. 42:03 Everything you do may be done to the glory of God. 42:08 1 Corinthians 10:31. 42:09 Now I don't feel anything by singing love, 42:14 love changes everything. 42:16 Do you understand? 42:17 Although it was written by Andrew Lloyd Webber, 42:19 what is the subject? 42:21 So when I choose my material, I don't go and choose... 42:24 Let me choose. 42:26 Do you understand? 42:27 If I sing for the... 42:28 I go sing every time in the village, 42:30 and I sing pearly shells from the ocean. 42:35 Is it bad? 42:36 Is it or if I sing my Nat King Cole fascination it was, 42:41 because the old people 42:42 if I sing true love I give to you. 42:46 So I make sure that my program is the sort of program 42:51 that there's not... 42:55 You know, most of the music today is horrible, it's really, 42:59 and the nature of the music is not good. 43:02 And the words are so bad. 43:03 And the words and the swearing. 43:05 What we're actually saying. 43:06 And then we know people like Lady Gaga, you know, Madonna, 43:11 they have made pact to the devil. 43:14 Make me famous, give me money, give me, make me... 43:17 So what I was alluding to secular world music 43:20 leads to self-exaltation, and gaining the benefit 43:24 of the glory to you. 43:26 Scripture music does not do that, does it? 43:28 No, it doesn't. 43:29 No, it doesn't. 43:31 Although, although, all right, I will tell you, 43:33 you should be eating good food, 43:35 but you should not eating dessert, 43:38 because it's sugar. 43:39 It's poisonous. 43:41 So, you know, I'm not talking about meat, 43:42 but you pick yourself on sugar. 43:44 Right. 43:45 It's both are evils, you know what I'm trying to say? 43:47 But now, at the end of the day, we still eat the dessert, 43:51 you know, although thinking you know, or the other good, 43:54 good food is good. 43:56 And to me, that's not the issue. 43:57 The issue is, I'm not going to go to heaven 43:59 by what I eat. 44:01 Not by my works, 44:03 but simply the grace of God that is there. 44:08 My hand of faith that says, I need you so much. 44:11 And that hand of faith 44:13 which is not mine is given to me, 44:15 grab His grace and makes me a saved person. 44:18 At the end of the day, 44:20 I realized that if I had to live 44:25 by what the church gives me, I'll be dead. 44:29 I'll be dead in terms of financial, 44:31 you know what I mean? 44:32 So one is obliged to do, 44:35 another to go and do ladies morning. 44:38 If I sing these beautiful songs, 44:41 being love, what a difference being in love can make. 44:46 Are you too in love here? Yes, you are. 44:47 Does make a difference? Yes. 44:49 So why not, why not talk about it, 44:51 you know what I mean. 44:52 You go to a wedding ceremony. 44:54 You have the church ceremony and you go to reception. 44:57 Why should you go to reception? 44:58 You don't need a reception 45:00 You gonna feed a whole bunch of people. 45:01 You know what I'm trying to say, 45:03 but it's part of the whole thing. 45:04 So to me, and then I lead them to the end. 45:08 I never end any concerts whether they are ladies morning 45:13 or a dinner without doing the gospel at the end. 45:17 So I say, I want you to know that I love the Lord. 45:19 Yeah, so you music is just... 45:21 Be careful of what sort of song you sing. 45:24 You don't sing songs about 45:25 how your wife ran off with another man you know. 45:27 But, of course, what's the other one, Mack, 45:30 that Mack Mack Deni for whatever? 45:32 Yeah. 45:33 How can I go and I'll sing about Mark Deni 45:34 and I fell out. 45:36 Or Tom Jones, I saw the light on the night 45:39 that I passed by her window. 45:40 Why? Why? 45:42 Delilah, my goodness me. 45:44 I can't, I can't. 45:46 That is, so you screen the stuff that you do. 45:49 You do some golden oldies, we see them smiling, 45:52 saying the words. 45:53 And then at the end, 45:55 I say I want to close off my program 45:57 with three or four gospel songs. 46:00 And then you witness and you leave the seed. 46:03 The Holy Spirit does the work, not you. 46:05 Yeah. 46:07 So really what you use the gospel is, 46:09 you use the music to present the gospel to the people. 46:12 Yes. Yes. 46:14 That' what, that's what... 46:15 Absolutely. 46:16 So the take home message there is for people 46:19 who want to do music, it's have a second job? 46:22 Or don't rely on the music as your job? 46:25 I don't know, if it is in Australia, 46:28 in South Africa, it's very difficult to, 46:32 I'm lucky. 46:33 You spoke about Pierre the other day, you know, 46:36 we were chatting last night as well, you know, I'm lucky. 46:40 I'm well known, you know, and so on for somebody 46:43 who's not known. 46:45 And wants to break through makes make a living 46:48 out of it professionally to earn your is very hard. 46:52 So I'd say have a second job, yes. 46:54 Yes. Definitely. 46:56 Yes. 46:57 Especially in country like ours. 46:58 Yeah, in Australia, yeah, yeah. 47:00 Doesn't work. 47:02 I want to just go on a little bit 47:04 with what you've been doing 47:06 over the last three or four years. 47:10 We spoke to you about three years ago, 47:12 and take us through what you did? 47:13 Yes, I thought I was really contemplating retirement, 47:18 you were making a joke just now here. 47:21 But I say to myself, "What do I retire for? 47:25 What am I going to do?" 47:27 And so the opportunity came to do another CD, 47:30 another two CDs as a matter of fact, 47:32 I went to the South African Broadcasting Corporation. 47:36 And I dug out because I had done, 47:39 I'm one of the very few artists, 47:41 where's recordings 47:42 with the full symphony orchestra. 47:44 Remember, in the olden days, 47:45 we had symphony orchestras, you know. 47:47 So I have recorded three complete CDs 47:49 one of all my opera arias 47:52 with the South African Broadcasting Corporation, 47:55 you know, which I can't find, I can't trace. 47:58 I'm talking about the days that I used to be really 48:01 contemplating going to Europe and sing and so on. 48:03 And again, again, let me tell you, 48:05 God closed the door. 48:07 I did go to mansion, 48:08 I did audition at [inaudible] agency, 48:12 and God vetoed it. 48:14 He didn't accept me. 48:15 When I was at the top of my career, 48:17 I flew to Lisbon auditions with the state opera house 48:19 and there's been God accepted and God keep the intent down 48:24 to the director of the opera so that my contract 48:26 did not materialize. 48:28 Because God knew if I'd gone to Europe, 48:30 you must remember 48:31 I have done every single auditorium 48:33 that exists our soloist Messiah 51 times, 48:37 Beethoven's Ninth Symphony. 48:38 There's not an oratorio, Samson, the creation, 48:42 Mendelssohn's Elijah, I did it all, 48:44 400 leader and so my incredible experience 48:48 on every aspect, audiorial, leader and opera 48:51 was an equal in South Africa. 48:53 That's the reality even if I have to admit, 48:56 and to say that, plus the fact 48:58 that I could speak all those languages. 49:00 So I would have done well in Europe and God closed it 49:02 because He knew if I'd gone out I'd been swallowed, 49:05 never ever come back to the Lord 49:07 and I thank him For it today. 49:10 It's inexplicable because I was doing an opera 49:13 in Cape Town and the partner heard me sing 49:16 and invited me to go to mansion, 49:18 so off way you your door was already open, John, 49:21 you know what I mean. 49:22 And yet, this big, tall German guy, 49:25 boy, he was, he was horrible, you know... 49:29 I said... 49:31 I don't speak, but I speak. 49:32 And I took an immediate dislike to the man and I said, 49:37 I don't want to go. 49:39 I don't want to sing. 49:40 And then he just said, don't call us, we'll call you. 49:42 We'll call you. 49:44 And the call never came, thank God for that. 49:46 But I know that the Lord worked things out through thin 49:52 and thick that I eventually would be where I am. 49:55 So I'm beginning to write my book. 49:57 I'm already on page 50-60 whatever. 50:00 My memoirs which was, 50:01 they are absolutely unbelievable 50:03 how the Lord guided me. 50:06 And I'm intending next year to do my doctors in music. 50:09 Why not? 50:11 I'm challenged and I want to do it 50:12 and I feel I can keep my brain occupied. 50:16 What for? 50:17 I don't know. 50:18 Are you going to do it in Russian? 50:20 No, no, ma'am, no. 50:30 That's from the opera Eugene Onegin 50:34 by Ilyich Tchaikovsky is terrible stuff. 50:37 I can tell you, you're nowhere near ready to retire. 50:40 And I want to say because you know, 50:43 there are times in our life 50:44 when we do come to retirement age 50:46 and by the way, I'm there now. 50:48 But I'm not saying... 50:49 Oh, not quite. 50:51 Not quite another few months. 50:52 But anyway, what I'm saying is, 50:54 it can be a very depressing moment, can't it? 50:57 Sure, I have seen men, 50:58 we men don't do our old retirement. 51:01 Not good. 51:02 We feel now useless. 51:04 And this is advice for all you men. 51:06 Whatever you do, don't let the brain stop. 51:10 You retire, you can do whatever you like, 51:12 don't let the brain stop because that's exactly 51:15 where you start dying, the brain tells you. 51:18 There is always something to do. 51:20 Think about doing something for the Lord. 51:23 Well, I keep thinking, think about doing something 51:25 for your children and your grandchildren, 51:28 and your neighbor. 51:30 And like if, you know if you can sing like you, 51:34 you don't have to go to a performance, 51:35 you can sing for someone by their bedside. 51:39 And you know, I don't know whether, you know, 51:41 we had an experience not too long ago 51:43 where our neighbor 51:44 who had just recently passed away. 51:46 We had some of 3ABN people staying at our home. 51:50 And we went across to her home on a bed. 51:53 She's been in a wheelchair, she had been for 65 years, 51:56 most positive woman, and they came in there 51:59 and they sung to her. 52:00 You know, after they left, she told me, John, 52:02 that was the most wonderful thing in her life 52:05 to have the 3ABN singers come and sing 52:08 in her home beside her bed. 52:10 You see, it's those little things, 52:12 you don't have to do the big things, 52:15 it's the little things just showing 52:17 you care for someone else. 52:19 And that's what you can do in retirement. 52:20 Making someone happy 52:21 and showing them the love of God. 52:23 Encouraging someone. 52:25 Encouraging somebody. 52:26 And if you sing like you, you will encourage everyone 52:29 and bring a smile to their face. 52:31 But some people when they did it, would not. 52:33 Yeah. 52:34 I was very lucky last year 52:36 the Federation of African's Culture honored me 52:41 as a foreigner for my recordings 52:46 with the Cape Town Symphony Orchestra of Afrikaan songs. 52:50 And it was quite amazing to me 52:52 that at this late stage of my life, 52:56 they still found something to say thank you for. 53:01 I was very privileged, very privileged, 53:03 but at the end of the day, when the chairman also spoke, 53:07 he said your work in the Afrikaans language 53:10 is not finished yet. 53:11 We appreciate everything you've done as a foreigner, 53:14 as a foreigner you know what you've done 53:16 for our culture. 53:17 So I think at the end of the day, 53:19 you two are quite correct. 53:21 Find something to do. 53:24 There's a song in our operator 53:28 and it says find yourself something to do dear, 53:32 find yourself something to do. 53:33 Choose a niche a niche in which you can nestle 53:37 and know that it's you, you know... 53:38 Oh that's cute. 53:39 I'm sorry, it was to a young men 53:41 but it can be the old ones as well. 53:43 Just right now we're going to go 53:45 to our address roll. 53:46 So write down the details so you can contact us 53:48 we'd love to hear from you. 53:54 If you would like to contact 3ABN Australia, 53:56 you may do so in the following ways. 53:58 You may write to 3ABN Australia, 54:01 PO Box 752, Morisset, 54:03 New South Wales 2264, Australia. 54:07 That's PO Box 752, Morisset, 54:10 New South Wales 2264, Australia. 54:14 Or you may call 02-4973-3456. 54:18 That's 02-4973-3456 54:22 from 8:30 am to 5 pm Monday to Thursday, 54:26 or 8:30 am to 12 pm Fridays, New South Wales time. 54:31 You may also email us at mail@3abnaustralia.org.au. 54:37 That's mail@3abnaustralia.org.au. 54:45 Thank you for all you do to help us 54:46 light the world with the glory of God's truth. 54:52 I hope you got those details. 54:53 We've been talking to Manuel Escorcio. 54:55 Manuel. 54:57 Manuel, I like that, 54:58 it's even better and more pronounced correctly. 55:00 Manuel has a new CD, it is called My Father's Care, 55:05 My Father Cares. 55:07 And you know, 55:08 I think that the words in that are very, 55:11 very precious, aren't they? 55:12 God really does care about you. 55:14 And there's the CDs also got his photo on it. 55:17 That's right. 55:18 And I think the arrangements or the wording in particular, 55:21 where the words come from, Manuel? 55:23 You won't believe me, I heard the song 55:25 when I was in Australia, called my father cares. 55:28 I inquired about it, Britt found the person. 55:31 We visited the lady quite accidentally 55:34 going after that bought two CDs. 55:36 And I play the song and he says, 55:38 "This is Richard Audi song." 55:41 I said, "You know the man." 55:42 she says, "You want to speak to him," 55:44 picked up the phone. 55:45 And I called Richard and Britt and I went down to Brisbane 55:50 and we had a quick, lovely cuppa. 55:53 And I asked him permission to record the song. 55:56 Isn't that amazing? 55:58 My father cares, an Australian song. 56:01 That is really good. 56:03 You know, if you want to get 56:04 some of Manuel Escorcio's CDs here in Australia, there's a, 56:10 an email address there, bandr@bigpond.com. 56:15 You can contact Britt 56:16 and he will be able to supply this one 56:18 and a few others that you have. 56:19 Yes. That's right. 56:21 And for those on radio, it's B-A-N-D-R, 56:25 the letter B, the word and the letter R. 56:28 And that stands for Britt and Rose. 56:32 B and R, ain't that good? 56:33 Bigpond.com. 56:35 Very, very good. 56:36 I want to say thank you to Britt and to Rose 56:38 for hosting me for bringing me all the way down to Morisset. 56:42 How many times? 56:43 Oh, you see he believes in the ministry as well. 56:47 But how many times have you been to Australia now? 56:49 Oh, about 13 times. 56:52 Can't keep you away. 56:54 Just in a very brief... 56:56 You should have migrated Just in a brief moment 56:57 a closing thought, 56:59 those who are looking at doing music as an art. 57:01 You know, as a ministry, 57:02 what would you say to them, Manuel? 57:04 I will tell you right now time is very short. 57:06 Now you know if you do, don't be, 57:10 either world calls you and you know, 57:13 just stick to the Lord. 57:15 Stick to the Lord, time is short. 57:17 The Lord is coming very soon and I cannot wait to go home. 57:21 Don't you miss going home with us. 57:24 That's a really important point, Manuel, 57:27 because too many people get caught up in the world 57:30 and they want to do the music. 57:31 But they do the world's music instead of God's music 57:34 and that takes them away. 57:36 Well, we've been talking with Manuel Escorcio. 57:38 And that's the end of our time with you. 57:40 But we pray that you're blessed by the program 57:43 and we look forward to seeing you next time. 57:44 God bless. |
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