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00:15 This is 3ABN Now
00:17 with John and Rosemary Malkiewycz. 00:21 Hello and welcome to 3ABN Now. 00:23 Thank you that you've taken the time 00:24 to watch this program. 00:26 3ABN Now has been going for a number of years now. 00:30 And we've had various guests on the program. 00:34 But today's program is really a continuation 00:36 of another program that we earlier had 00:40 and that's with David Fiedler. 00:42 And he's the author of three books 00:46 that I'm aware of. 00:48 One of them is called Tremble, 00:50 and the other one is called D'Sozo. 00:52 And he had another book called Hindsight. 00:53 Hindsight. 00:55 Hindsight is something we all think 00:56 is a great thing, isn't it? 00:57 You know, what would we do 00:59 if we knew ahead of time different things? 01:00 Well, I always said hindsight is a great thing 01:03 when you learn from somebody else. 01:04 Yeah. There you go. 01:06 You don't want to have your own hindsight, 01:07 because that's usually 01:08 because you did something wrong. 01:10 And that was the goal, 01:11 was just a collection of the stories 01:13 of Adventist history that I thought were important 01:15 and had a lesson to learn. 01:16 And I'd rather learn from them than do the same thing myself. 01:19 Yes, but we're bit slow on that sometimes, 01:20 aren't we, Dave? 01:22 Yeah. Some of us. 01:23 But some of us, that's true. 01:25 Some more than others. Yeah. 01:27 But Dave is also historian 01:29 and particularly in Adventist history. 01:31 And in the last program, we touched on Dr. Kellogg. 01:36 Now he was a physician, Dave, that's right, isn't it? 01:39 He was a physician. Yes, he was. 01:41 He started the work, 01:42 early work of health 01:44 in the Seventh-day Adventist Church 01:46 and we'll go get Dave to clarify a little bit 01:49 about that being the historian he is but before we do that, 01:53 there's a text in the Bible that Dave's chosen that 01:55 we would like to read and that Dave comment on. 01:58 Okay. 01:59 It's right at the back of the book. 02:02 Dave Fiedler has chosen Revelation 22:13. 02:06 It's very short. 02:08 And to the point. Very to the point. 02:10 "I am," says Jesus, "Alpha and Omega, 02:14 the beginning and the end, the first and the last." 02:19 Now, I want to know why you chose that verse 02:22 for what you're going to talk about today? 02:25 We will be... 02:27 Well, it's impossible to talk about Dr. Kellogg 02:29 without eventually ending up 02:31 addressing what Ellen White referred to 02:34 as the alpha of apostasy. 02:38 And in that context, 02:39 she warned that there would be an Omega 02:41 that would follow 02:43 and so I am the Alpha and the Omega. 02:45 This kind of sets the tone and gives the... 02:49 It's like the beginning and the end. 02:50 Yes. 02:52 The beginning and the end, the first and the last, yeah. 02:53 I suppose you could say, this is Jesus saying, 02:56 "I am the Alpha and Omega," 02:58 but there was a counterfeit 02:59 that end up being the alpha of apostasy. 03:02 Indeed. 03:03 And then there'll be the alpha of, the omega of apostasy. 03:06 Yes. 03:07 You know, if you go back, I don't know, 03:10 to the early years of 3ABN in the United States at least, 03:14 I still remember 03:15 one of the little catch lines that they used. 03:17 Do you remember that? Yeah. 03:18 Counteracting the counterfeit, yes. 03:20 That's pretty good, actually. 03:22 And the devil's work is always counterfeit. 03:24 And so, there is the Christ, the Alpha and Omega, 03:28 and then there is the alpha and the omega 03:30 of Lucifer's efforts as well in these days. 03:33 So there's a great controversy raging, isn't there? 03:35 And, you know, the Bible reveals that to us 03:38 in a very definite manner. 03:40 Yes. 03:42 And really what it comes down to, 03:43 it's like the three angels' messages. 03:45 You have God's truth, 03:48 you have Satan's lies, you choose. 03:50 So you have to choose. 03:52 So when we deal with the Alpha and Omega, 03:54 you really have to choose. 03:55 Yes, it will split the world down 03:59 into two parties. 04:00 The alpha and omega of apostasy is obvious within, 04:06 basically the opposite of God. 04:08 Indeed, the opposite and yet the counterfeit. 04:12 Yeah, so how do you make something that's the opposite 04:14 and have it look the same though? 04:15 That's the tricky part. Yes. 04:17 So with Dr. Kellogg, 04:19 put us in the right historical time frame 04:22 of when he began the work and what was involved? 04:28 Dr. Kellogg got his medical education 04:30 in the early 1870s. 04:33 And he became 04:34 the medical director of the denominations, 04:37 Seventh-day Adventist denomination's flagship. 04:39 Medical Institute at the time was known 04:40 as the Western Health Reform Institute. 04:44 And he became the medical director 04:46 when he was 24 years old. 04:47 Young man. Young man in 1876. 04:50 In fact, he didn't want the job. 04:53 And he fought them off for a couple of, you know, 04:58 for many months. 05:00 They wanted him to take the job. 05:01 And he said, "No, no, no, no." 05:03 And he would never say why. 05:04 But the suspicion is that 05:07 he was frankly afraid of the patient's reactions 05:10 because of his youth. 05:12 Not only was he young, he looked young. 05:15 And when he finally accepted the job, 05:17 his premonitions were perhaps correct, 05:20 because one quarter of the patients 05:22 took one look at him and walked out the door. 05:24 They said, "Nope, not me." 05:26 He was right. 05:27 He was, yeah, so it was a bit of a rocky start. 05:29 But, you know, one of the first things he did 05:33 without bothering to ask 05:34 the permission of the board of directors, 05:36 he changed the name. 05:38 He said people are tired of being reformed. 05:43 From now on, this will be the Battle Creek Sanitarium. 05:46 And actually he made up that word. 05:48 There was no such word. 05:50 In Australia you're quite used to sanitarium, yes, 05:52 but there was the word sanatorium, 05:57 which was a medical facility for tuberculosis patients. 06:02 But there's no such thing as a sanitarium, 06:03 that was a newly coined phrase or term. 06:07 And so people asked and said, "What's that mean? 06:09 And he said, "It will come to mean 06:11 the place where people go to learn 06:12 to stay well." 06:14 So he always had an educational component 06:17 in his mind, 06:19 you know, it was not just curative, 06:22 it was always to be to address the broader picture 06:27 of the, you know, the person's physical needs 06:30 and the future as well as the past. 06:33 So, that was 1876. 06:35 And, you know, for our purposes, 06:38 we'll pass over the next 12 years. 06:41 And there were things that happened 06:42 and there's some interesting stories there 06:44 and he got married and, you know, life went on. 06:46 But for us, really the, 06:48 probably the next key event comes in 1888. 06:53 You may have heard 06:57 of the 1888 General Conference Session 07:01 for Seventh-day Adventists who are into their history, 07:03 they may recognize this 07:04 as the session with A.T. Jones and E.J. Wagner 07:07 and righteousness by faith 07:08 and that whole discussion which is, 07:11 you could probably do several segments on that too 07:13 but we won't know. 07:16 Ellen White wrote an interesting statement. 07:18 She said, "After the meeting at Minneapolis, 07:22 Dr. Kellogg was a converted man and we all knew it. 07:27 We could see the converting power of God 07:29 working in his heart and life." 07:32 Well, you know, when I read that, 07:33 I was intrigued. 07:35 I have a bit of a sense of curiosity, shall we say? 07:41 And if you can, all of a sudden see 07:43 that the man is different, 07:44 my question was, what was different? 07:48 What was different? 07:50 Yeah, what was he doing wrong before you know? 07:52 And so, and I addressed this in class, 07:55 or something I always actually did. 07:56 Does that mean he stopped going to the bar 07:58 and getting drunk on Friday nights? 07:59 No. 08:01 No, he did not stop going to the bar 08:02 and getting drunk with friends. 08:03 He never had. 08:05 You know, that's rumor 08:06 'cause he never had gone to the bar on Friday nights. 08:08 But what was different? 08:09 And really what it boils down to, 08:12 is he started being nice to people. 08:15 And that sounds anticlimactic, I know. 08:18 But that's what converted people do. 08:21 And... 08:22 There's a change in heart 08:24 and the attitude towards others. 08:25 He had a change in heart 08:26 and he set down a different path. 08:30 And you know, Dr. Kellogg, 08:31 I've to just tell you some stories about Dr. Kellogg 08:33 because he's not a mere mortal like myself 08:38 and possibly you and maybe some of our audience. 08:41 He was somewhere beyond me. 08:45 Every morning Dr. Kellogg would bound 08:48 out of bed, 08:50 get dressed and run downstairs 08:53 and outside in front of his house 08:54 and there was a large circular paved area. 08:59 And he would jump on his bike 09:01 and ride round and round and round furiously in circles 09:03 in this paved area to get his exercise. 09:06 Well, that's great. Okay, so exercise is good. 09:09 But mere mortals 09:10 would have gone down the roadways 09:11 to see some scenery. 09:13 Why is he going round and round and round in circles? 09:15 Well, the answer to that is in the center of that circle, 09:18 sitting on a stool was a stenographer, 09:20 taking dictation. 09:22 Kellogg could dictate a book, 09:26 skip the proofreading just print it. 09:28 He wrote 54 I think it was books in his lifetime. 09:32 I think 54. 09:34 Fifty four, something like that. 09:35 Yeah. 09:36 He's riding fast on his bike 09:39 and he's at the same time dictating, 09:41 thinking and speaking while he's pedaling fast. 09:45 I'd be tired out. 09:46 Yeah, yeah, and that's good aerobic exercise, I guess. 09:52 But Kellogg was just, he was that level of special, 09:56 let's put that way. 09:58 Okay. 09:59 So many, so many little stories I can tell. 10:03 When he went on a train, 10:04 of course, they didn't have planes 10:06 in those days, you know. 10:07 But Kellogg was the 10:08 super-duper platinum frequent flyer guy 10:11 for the trains, you know. 10:13 And when he went on a train trip, 10:17 he would take two stenographers with him 10:19 and they'd get on the train 10:21 and he would dictate for eight hours to one guy 10:25 and he'd get off 10:26 and ride back home to the office 10:28 as they're typing it all up 10:29 and Kellogg would just immediately start it 10:30 on the second guy. 10:32 And when he was done with his two stenographers, 10:35 he had a piece of kid leather, 10:42 you know, the very soft baby goat kid leather, right, 10:45 about the size of a good handkerchief. 10:48 And he would take his fingers like this 10:50 and he'd make this circle 10:51 and he'd lay this leather on top of it. 10:54 And then he'd poke it down inside so he had a pouch 10:58 and then with his other hand 11:00 he would practice sutures 11:03 in the bottom of this leather 11:07 with his little suturing needle and whatnot. 11:10 And he became an excellent surgeon. 11:13 He actually, at the time, 11:15 it was about the average 11:18 was between 20 and 25%. fatality 11:22 the moment you entered the thoracic cavity. 11:27 He set a record, I think it was 164 without a fatality, 11:30 something like that 164 consecutive surgeries 11:32 without fatality. 11:35 For years was up... 11:36 So he was very unique in as a person 11:40 and the time he spent 11:43 and showed that he didn't waste any time at all. 11:46 He did not waste any time 11:47 and he was totally devoted to his work. 11:52 He was a workaholic. 11:54 You could say he was a workaholic. 11:55 You could probably say that 11:57 and yet he never seemed to visibly tire. 12:01 Now you have a good point 12:02 because that's one of the points 12:05 that Ellen White writes to him time after time after time. 12:08 She's saying, "You're trying to do too much. 12:11 You're not giving yourself the time to think clearly 12:13 on what you're doing." 12:14 And so he was in fact, a workaholic, 12:16 but visibly you couldn't see that he tired. 12:17 He was one of those that, you know, there are... 12:20 There's a small percentage of population 12:22 that just doesn't need much sleep. 12:24 He rarely slept more than four hours a night. 12:26 That's extraordinary, really. Yeah. 12:27 And he just... 12:30 I don't know if you had that commercial over here. 12:31 But you know, like the Energizer Bunny 12:33 you know, they have this commercial 12:35 and says that it just keeps going 12:36 and going and going. 12:37 I mean, these days I come outside, 12:39 I don't watch TV. 12:40 But, yeah, he was like that. 12:43 And he just really kept going. 12:46 There was one particular instance 12:48 in the 1890s 12:49 that really speaks to the source of his success. 12:55 He was talking 12:56 with one of his closest friends and colleagues, 12:59 Dr. David Paulson. 13:01 And he said, 13:02 "Dr. Paulson, do you know how it is 13:05 that I stay five years ahead of the medical industry?" 13:10 And Paulson said, "No, nobody knows how, " 13:13 and they all wonder, basically. 13:16 And he said, 13:18 "I know from my reading of the Spirit of Prophecy. 13:20 Anytime a new medical technique 13:22 or method or theory comes along, 13:26 I know from my reading of the Spirit of Prophecy, 13:27 I know immediately 13:28 whether it belongs in our system or not. 13:30 If it belongs, I grab it and run with it. 13:34 If it doesn't, I just never touch it. 13:37 And so, for something that was new, 13:39 that ended up being good, 13:40 he had a five-year head start 13:42 while everybody else is running careful little tests and trials 13:45 for those things that when a fad came in that, 13:47 you know, swept everyone off their feet 13:49 and Kellogg didn't touch it, 13:50 you know, it took them five years 13:51 and they figured out how did he not get caught 13:53 like the rest of us, you know, typically. 13:55 And the point there is that throughout his career, 14:01 his success really rose and fell 14:04 with his acceptance and adherence 14:07 to the council of Spirit of Prophecy. 14:11 Maybe just unpack that a little bit about 14:13 because some viewers might not know 14:14 when you refer to the Spirit of Prophecy. 14:17 These are writings 14:18 that God revealed to a messenger here. 14:21 Her name was Ellen White. Yes. 14:23 Our prophetess. 14:24 And as a Seventh-day Adventist Church, 14:27 we don't... 14:28 Her writings are a lesser light to the greater light, 14:31 which is the Word of God. 14:32 But she had a lot of counsel from God relating to health. 14:35 Indeed. Indeed. 14:37 And much of what she wrote is now today, 14:41 just in recent years been proven to be true, 14:44 even though she wrote them 150 years ago. 14:47 Yes, yeah. 14:48 Her track record is definitely admirable. 14:52 And he got a hold of that and he knew the value of that. 14:56 She recognized the value of him. 14:59 And she supported and assisted him 15:03 probably like no other individual, 15:06 as long as he would listen, you know. 15:08 When he stopped listening 15:10 and she didn't immediately just cut him off, 15:11 I'm not saying that. 15:13 But when he stopped listening to her, 15:19 he stopped in areas that you wouldn't think 15:21 would affect his medical practice. 15:24 You know, but it's funny 15:26 how in life obedience 15:29 tends to bleed into other areas, 15:31 let's put that way, you know. 15:32 And when he stopped listening 15:34 in what we might think of as simple ways, 15:38 it had a negative effect that eventually largely, 15:44 well, destroyed his work 15:46 as far as the work of God is concerned 15:49 and damaged his work even, you know, 15:51 from the medical 15:52 and the professional perspective 15:54 as well. 15:55 That's interesting to note that he started the sanitarium, 15:57 Battle Creek Sanitarium, didn't he? 16:00 That's quite a large building 16:02 and took a lot of money to build that 16:04 and a lot of effort. 16:05 It still stands today, 16:07 but it's not used for that purpose. 16:08 The second building still stands. 16:10 Yeah, that's correct. 16:11 Yeah. Yeah. 16:13 And we got to see 16:14 that it's quite an outstanding building 16:16 in its own right. 16:17 Yes. 16:18 And that was unfortunately against council. 16:22 There was, it was, it would have been much better 16:25 had it been smaller. 16:29 Ellen White once wrote that it would be desirable 16:32 to split that institution into 10 16:34 and scatter them around the countryside, 16:36 you know, the smaller scattered about model. 16:41 We find that in the writings of the messengers of the Lord 16:44 that the Spirit of Prophecy... 16:47 In almost everything, you'll find this idea of, 16:50 it doesn't need to be huge. 16:52 It's actually a greater influence 16:54 the more you can spread it out. 16:55 Yes, because a large institution 16:56 is very sterile 16:58 but a smaller institution becomes very personal 17:00 and you can interact with the people 17:03 and it's much more beneficial in terms of healing too. 17:07 And not only that, 17:08 you can reach more places 17:10 if you've got a number of school or places, 17:13 institutions than one big hospital 17:14 in one location. 17:16 Yeah. 17:17 Ellen White was very clear on that. 17:19 And this is a point that Dr. Kellogg resisted, 17:22 because he felt challenged in his leadership, 17:27 somewhat, and frankly, 17:28 it's much easier to control one large institution 17:31 than it is to control 10 little ones 17:33 scattered around the countryside. 17:35 And so that's part of the problem 17:37 that developed. 17:39 But let me just touch again here. 17:41 This is somewhat of an anomaly 17:44 in the writing of Ellen White in this regard. 17:48 During the 1890s, 17:53 a bit of a rift began to develop 17:56 between the ministers of the church 17:58 and the medical workers of the church, 18:00 and it was very unfortunate. 18:03 And as a result, 18:05 we find Ellen White trying to pull them back together. 18:09 And so she would write to the ministers 18:11 and she would say, 18:12 "Brethren, you need to be more charitable 18:15 in your assessment of Dr. Kellogg, 18:17 and you need to work with him, 18:18 you know, and she would reprove them 18:20 and encourage, you know, 18:22 working with the medical workers. 18:24 And then she wrote to the medical workers 18:25 and Dr. Kellogg. 18:26 She would reprove them and encourage working, 18:28 you know, and so it was this kind of 18:31 a constant approach that way. 18:33 There is this one very fascinating exception 18:36 from 1899, 18:38 where Ellen White was writing directly to Dr. Kellogg. 18:41 She said something I find very fascinating. 18:44 She says, "My dear brother, 18:46 as I have before written to you, 18:48 I know that the Lord has placed you 18:50 in a very responsible position, 18:52 standing as you do, 18:55 as the greatest physician in our world." 18:59 It's kind of a fascinating thing to say. 19:01 The American Medical Association 19:03 maybe wouldn't put it that way 19:04 but they did say that he was the most, 19:06 the single most significant physician 19:09 over a period of 60 years. 19:10 I think it was 40 or 60 years. I may be wrong on that. 19:12 But we'll say 40 years to go on the low side. 19:16 He did more to shape 19:18 and to change the practice of medicine in America 19:20 than any other man. 19:22 Well, then when she said that at the time, 19:24 she could really make that statement. 19:26 If they have also said that there was no one else. 19:28 You know, he was the most outstanding. 19:30 Well, they didn't say that 19:31 until the 1950s or 60s or something like that but... 19:33 That's right. 19:35 But they've acknowledged what she's written... 19:36 They've acknowledged that. 19:37 Yeah, once again, she was right. 19:39 Yeah. Yeah. 19:40 But here's where it becomes to me most fascinating 19:47 is that again, 19:51 the writings of the messengers of the Lord, 19:54 Ellen White, the Spirit of Prophecy, 19:55 however, you want to turn that. 19:57 In 1892, November 22, 20:01 1892 in the Review and Herald, the publication, 20:04 Ellen White wrote an interesting statement. 20:06 She said, "The time of test is just before us, 20:08 for the loud cry of the third angel 20:11 has already begun in the revelation 20:13 as the righteousness of Christ. 20:16 And we have four... 20:20 Most of our time, 20:22 most of the time and thought that has gone into that, 20:24 we have looked at it as a matter of theology 20:29 and coincidentally, providentially, 20:34 however you want to say it. 20:37 About nine years ago now, 20:42 some rare documents fell into my hands 20:46 and it was quite fascinating. 20:48 There was a general meeting of the church, 20:50 a General Conference in 1893, 20:54 just two and a half months after the statement 20:56 that the loud cry had begun. 20:57 There was this, and it was, you can imagine 21:00 and, of course, a loud cry is an event 21:03 that we understand to happen just shortly 21:06 before the Second Coming. 21:07 Okay, so obviously this would, 21:09 you know, kind of be a bit of a buzz, right? 21:10 Okay? 21:12 In fact, A.T. Jones, prominent Adventist ministry, 21:17 he gave a series of 24 sermons 21:19 through that whole General Conference. 21:21 They've been reprinted at least three times, 21:22 an excellent, excellent material. 21:24 I encourage people to read those. 21:26 What was lost sight of 21:28 is that Dr. Kellogg gave a series of talks as well. 21:32 And they were not included 21:34 in the General Conference bulletin, 21:36 which is unusual. 21:38 Normally, everything goes 21:40 into the General Conference bulletin. 21:41 But everything to do with Kellogg, his talks, 21:46 and the development of organizational actions 21:52 and establishment of a new medical organization, 21:55 those things were not included in the bulletin. 22:00 It's a little bit fishy. 22:01 I suspect that rather there was... 22:03 There was kind of an editorial decision. 22:06 We just don't really want to give this guy any publicity 22:08 because he had stepped on some toes. 22:09 As I said, 22:11 there was a bit of a difference of opinion 22:12 between the ministers and the medical workers 22:13 sometimes and so. 22:15 So he was dropped out of that official record. 22:19 And this is what a portion of those 22:21 that's what fell into my hands in 2009. 22:25 And let me read one part of one short sermon 22:31 of what he said and when I read this, 22:35 to me, it was, it was mind-blowing, 22:39 yeah, because it is made so much sense 22:41 out of so many things 22:43 that I had not been able to piece together before. 22:45 He said this, now bear in mind, 22:46 Ellen White said the loud cry is just begun. 22:49 And Kellogg addressing the leaders 22:53 and members of the denomination, 22:54 he said, 22:56 "If the loud cry has been begun by our people, 23:00 it must be 23:02 because we have just begun to do a little 23:04 in the way of letting our light shine. 23:08 But we have done so little in that way 23:10 that it seems to me that before the loud cry 23:12 will make any great noise in the world, 23:14 we will have to let our light shine a great deal brighter." 23:18 You don't know what this is talking about yet. 23:22 "We've to let our light shine a great deal brighter 23:24 than we have ever yet done 23:25 because the works come first. 23:31 The light must shine through these good works 23:33 before we can be called the repairers of the breach 23:37 and the restorers of paths to dwell in, 23:39 for the promise comes 23:40 after all of these conditions you see." 23:44 Now, you might be able to piece together a little bit, 23:46 but I'm sure many of our listeners 23:48 would not quite understand the content. 23:51 Bear in mind this came in the middle of a sermon. 23:52 Okay. 23:54 The letting your light shine 23:56 is a promise from Isaiah Chapter 58. 23:59 And at the end of the chapter is this passage 24:02 about being the repairers of the breach, 24:04 the restorers of paths to dwell in. 24:07 And what Kellogg is saying is that 24:09 these promises are a representation 24:12 of the loud cry. 24:14 And that they come after all the conditions. 24:18 Well, what are the conditions? 24:20 Isaiah 58, "If you deal your bread to the hungry, 24:24 if you bring the poor who are cast out to your home, 24:26 if you clothed the naked, 24:28 if you hide not yourself from your own flesh, 24:31 if you extend your soul to the needy soul, 24:35 and you minister to others." 24:36 This is the great chapter 24:39 which portrays 24:40 not only the work that Christ did, 24:42 but the work that He calls His people too. 24:45 And Kellogg said, 24:47 "This loud cry has just barely begun 24:51 because we have in fact 24:52 just barely begun 24:55 our medical missionary outreach to the world, " 24:57 and that was true historically. 24:59 In the year just before that 25:00 they'd started the orphanage in Battle Creek, 25:02 they'd started a visiting nurses program, 25:05 they had started the Christian health bands, 25:07 which was just the organizing of God's people 25:11 into small little groups to try and help. 25:14 You know, they'd be given a certain block of town, 25:15 you know, from this street to this street, 25:17 this avenue to this avenue. 25:19 And your little group of nine people, 25:20 your job is to find anyone who needs help 25:22 and see if we can help them. 25:24 So he had a clear understanding 25:25 of what Jesus was teaching. 25:27 He did. 25:28 He had this clear recognition of the practical work 25:33 to go along with the theoretical 25:35 and some might doubt, 25:39 you know, I'm sure 25:40 many listeners may not have seen 25:42 our previous presentation. 25:44 But there was a great thought in there 25:46 is that Christ could not verbally portray 25:49 the Father, 25:50 but through His actions He can. 25:52 And Kellogg understood that. 25:54 And so, he did great good. 26:00 And then unfortunately, he went off the cliff. 26:05 So you quoted earlier on, 26:06 Ellen White said there was a change. 26:08 So we're talking about a change from knowing what Jesus taught, 26:13 but then something happened. 26:15 What happened? Yeah. 26:16 And here's where it gets tricky 26:19 because when we're talking about counterfeits. 26:22 How do you change 26:23 the very heart and soul of something 26:24 but make it look the same, you know? 26:27 And that's really what happened is that this good work, 26:31 this humanitarian work, this benevolent, 26:35 kind work was kidnapped, 26:42 shall we say, 26:43 to serve purposes that were not beneficial 26:47 to God's work on earth. 26:49 Kellogg began one thing. 26:52 He was a fantastic fundraiser. 26:56 He was a great speaker. 26:57 He was very engaging and very entertaining 27:00 and if you weren't careful, 27:02 he could fleece you of your money. 27:04 I'm not saying dishonestly. 27:07 But he could persuade you with happy heart 27:11 to hand over your funds. 27:14 And the problem was that he was using, I mean, 27:17 the denomination was fairly small 27:18 in those days. 27:19 There was a, you know, we would, 27:21 other than miraculous 27:22 there was a fairly finite pool of funding. 27:26 And rather than having that distributed 27:29 wisely and carefully and broadly 27:31 through the all the needs... 27:34 He got it for himself. He got it for, not himself. 27:36 I understand though. 27:38 As an individual, he was selfless, 27:39 but in terms of his department, his medical work, 27:46 everything went to there that he get his hands on... 27:48 And the rest suffered because of that, really. 27:50 Australia in particular. 27:52 Ellen White was here in Australia during that time, 27:55 and they labored for years with insufficient funding, 27:58 largely because of the doctor. 28:00 And so there were definite problems there. 28:04 And then eventually it, 28:07 it went a notch further and this is... 28:10 You mentioned my two books. 28:12 And I'll just say simply 28:13 that D'Sozo is kind of the story 28:15 of the good Kellogg 28:16 and what the Lord tried to accomplish through him. 28:19 Tremble is a story of the bad Kellogg. 28:21 It's not as happy a story. 28:24 And just as a note to for viewers 28:26 that D'Sozo is out of print? 28:29 It is out of print. 28:31 Yes, you can get the Kindle edition. 28:33 And I found a few online news bookstores. 28:37 And the local ABC store near us 28:41 the Adventist Book Center or call better books and food. 28:44 They do have some copies. 28:46 But if people want to get them, 28:48 you better get them before while they are gone. 28:50 Yes, I was pleasantly surprised 28:52 that apparently there is a bit of a stock 28:54 left in Australia and that's good 28:55 because you can't get them 28:57 in the United States or Canada any longer. 28:59 We may do a reprinting. 29:01 I have another book coming out. 29:02 And I warned the printer, I said this, 29:04 this other book covers some similar territory 29:07 and I have a lot of footnotes to say 29:08 if you need more on this story, 29:09 you need to consult my previous books, 29:11 so they may have to reprint it. 29:14 But eventually, 29:17 Dr. Kellogg got himself into trouble. 29:23 Let's just put it that way, he got himself into trouble. 29:25 And in a variety of ways, partly his stubbornness, 29:28 partly his organizational pride, 29:32 not personal pride so much but his organizational pride 29:35 and organizational selfishness, 29:37 and he became very suspicious of others 29:43 who might need some money for some other, 29:46 you know, there were missionaries 29:47 that were dying for want of wages, 29:50 that type of thing, you know, 29:51 and he became very, very suspicious 29:53 and very controlling 29:54 and these kind of things develop. 29:56 Eventually, 29:58 there were a couple of different things 29:59 that really kind of tipped the scale. 30:02 One of those was the publication of a book. 30:05 The title was, Living Temple, "The Living Temple." 30:10 And I have a passage here 30:14 just a short comment 30:15 that Ellen White makes on this book. 30:17 I think we can put this up on the screen probably. 30:20 "In the book Living Temple, 30:22 there is presented the alpha of deadly heresies. 30:28 The omega will follow, 30:31 and will be received 30:32 by those who are not willing to heed 30:35 the warning God has given." 30:39 That sounds kind of ominous. It does. 30:41 It does sound, yes, right, the alpha of deadly heresies. 30:46 Well, so naturally the question comes up 30:48 what was in the book? 30:50 And I would point out 30:53 that perhaps the first question that should be asked 30:57 is what was the warning God has given? 31:01 If you remember the statement there, 31:02 it said that this omega will come 31:04 and will be received by those 31:06 who will not receive the warning God has given. 31:09 So the first question to ask is what is the warning? 31:14 The warning is don't read the book. 31:18 The warning is don't read the book. 31:20 And... 31:24 I've not read the book. 31:26 I'll just be honest, I haven't read the book. 31:28 I've got a PDF version of it on my computer, 31:31 but I got it just so I can get a picture of the cover. 31:34 I've never read the book. I don't tend to read the book. 31:37 But I can tell you that you know, over time, 31:40 obviously different ones did back in the day 31:43 and have and whatnot. 31:44 And there are about five paragraphs 31:48 that have been pulled from the book 31:50 to exemplify the theological problems, okay. 31:54 And essentially, 31:55 the difficulty with the book on a theological basis 32:00 is that it introduces principles and concepts 32:04 of what we termed pantheism 32:07 which is, is really, essentially a Hindu concept 32:12 that God is everything, everything is God. 32:19 God in the universe are synonymous. 32:22 And all that is in the universe is part of God. 32:24 Therefore you're part of God and I'm part of God. 32:27 And God is in everything. God is in everything. 32:30 Yes, that's the pan which means all across theism, 32:34 which is referenced 32:35 to the God theology type of thing now, okay. 32:40 And so pantheism is... 32:45 It's contrary to the Bible. 32:47 That's simple, simply put. 32:50 Kellogg's presentation of it is actually quite mild. 32:53 You can find far worse in any public library today 32:57 if you wanted to go looking which I choose not to. 32:59 I don't want to read those books either, actually, 33:01 but I know, you know, enough about it. 33:03 I'm not totally ignorant on it by any ways. 33:05 The trouble is, if you start reading things like this, 33:10 how are you going to know 33:13 that you are going to not be impacted by it? 33:16 That's right. Yes. 33:18 And part of the warning... That's one of the dangers. 33:19 Know its error. Yes. 33:22 Don't read it. 33:23 Don't read the book. 33:24 Because if it is, if it is the error 33:26 we know about pantheism 33:29 or contains pantheistic ideologies, 33:33 you are opening yourself to be deceived, 33:36 because a brain can do things you don't expect it to. 33:40 And you will find many testimonies of individuals 33:46 who have made remarkable 33:49 I would say not remarkable in a good way, 33:51 but remarkable in a bad way 33:53 transformations of their belief systems 33:55 from being Christians, Methodists, Baptists, whatever, 33:59 and suddenly becoming in many cases Luciferian. 34:06 And this comes about through a process of mysticism. 34:12 Now let me just address that for a moment 34:14 because I'm putting another slide 34:17 up on the screen here I think. 34:20 "We need not the mysticism that is in this book, 34:25 Living Temple. 34:26 Those who entertain these sophistries 34:29 will soon find themselves in a position 34:31 where the enemy can talk with them, 34:34 and lead them away from God." 34:35 That's right. 34:37 You know, that's the... 34:39 You know, what is this all about? 34:41 Okay? 34:42 What is mysticism? 34:45 Well, I'll give you, you can go 34:47 with dictionary definitions and things, 34:49 but let me just give a quick description of it. 34:52 Mysticism comes in many, many forums, 34:55 it's spread across all religious beliefs. 34:58 You'll find mysticism in the Catholics, 35:00 and the Hindus, and the Hebrews, 35:03 the Jews have mysticism. 35:06 Confucianism, 35:07 there's a mystical element in Islam, 35:10 it's known as the Sufi sect. 35:13 It's everywhere in Protestantism, 35:17 it would probably, we would equate it 35:19 with the Pentecostal movement. 35:22 It's everywhere. 35:24 But the one common denominator that marks it as mystical just, 35:29 that's the name we put on it 35:31 is the belief that I can learn 35:35 a set of methods, 35:39 often called exercises. 35:41 I can learn a procedure 35:44 through which I can establish direct contact with my deity, 35:50 no matter which religious system I'm in. 35:54 This ends up becoming a very cross, 35:58 a very ecumenical influence 36:03 because mystics 36:04 in all these different religions, 36:07 they all, when you have this experience, 36:11 one of the most commonly reported 36:14 initial mind expanding things 36:19 is this sudden realization 36:21 that you are one with the universe, 36:24 i.e., pantheism. 36:26 And it doesn't matter 36:28 if I'm a Catholic and you're a Hindu, 36:31 we have the same experience and they feel drawn together 36:34 and this is something that we see playing out 36:37 in our world today. 36:39 It's a very united influence, isn't it? 36:41 It is very uniting influence. 36:43 It's a very deceptive influence. 36:45 But when we start playing with things like that, 36:49 and you know, and in that quote there 36:51 that you said before, 36:53 you would hear that a Satan speaking to you. 36:56 Yes, yes. 36:57 You're opening the door for him to address you 37:01 however you want. 37:02 People who have been in these, you know, 37:04 where they feel one with everything, 37:07 you know, like someone we know has actually experienced 37:12 that sort of things. 37:14 And has said that you do hear, 37:17 you actually hear a voice speaking to you 37:21 and telling you things to do. 37:23 Yep. 37:24 There are too many individual accounts, 37:29 both from those who have been in the mystical movement 37:32 and then have come back out. 37:35 But also you can find plenty, I mean, 37:37 I'm always a little bit cautious 37:38 about someone who's renounced something, 37:40 they may have an axe to grind it, 37:41 they may misrepresent it, you know. 37:43 And so, if I want to find out about this, 37:45 that or the other thing, 37:47 I place a certain premium on reading that 37:51 from those who are perfectly happy 37:52 where they're at, 37:54 and you'll find the same thing there. 37:55 You'll find the same thing there. 37:57 One of the things that intrigued me 37:59 for quite a number of years 38:01 and I didn't really understand and didn't know 38:03 why it would be important. 38:05 Very early on in Ellen White's ministry, 38:08 so in 1845-46, maybe up to 47. 38:13 She was repeatedly and on a number of occasions, 38:17 maybe five, six times, she was accused of having said, 38:23 "I can have a vision whenever I want." 38:28 And, you know, to me, I looked at that and said, 38:33 well, that sound crazy thing to say 38:35 but you know, what difference does that make? 38:38 But I noted that her response, when she responds to this. 38:43 It's vehement. 38:45 She is very... 38:47 That is, I have never said that. 38:49 That's absolutely impossible. 38:51 No one could do that. 38:52 And then she goes right on and she says, 38:55 "If I could have my own way, 38:58 if I could please myself and please God as well, 39:03 I would rather die than have another vision 39:06 because every vision places me under responsibility 39:08 to bear the message 39:10 to those who often don't want to receive it. 39:12 She said, "This has always been painful to me." 39:14 She does not, I mean, here we are, 39:17 she'd rather die than have a vision. 39:19 And these, all these other people 39:21 who are teaching their mindfulness techniques, 39:23 their yoga techniques, 39:24 their centering prayer techniques, 39:26 all these different, Lectio Divina, all these names. 39:31 I don't know if you recognize any of these. 39:33 Yeah, I see some nods. 39:34 Okay. 39:36 All of those have that one common element 39:39 is that they offer you 39:41 the privilege of at your convenience, 39:46 driving your way 39:48 into the chamber of the Most High 39:50 so to speak, and she wasn't anxious for it. 39:55 And this is the whole attracting point 39:57 for these other guys 39:58 and I enforced the conclusion we're talking about 40:01 two totally different phenomena. 40:03 Two different experiences. 40:04 Two totally different experiences. 40:07 Yeah. 40:08 And so it, it went on, 40:13 Dr. Kellogg and his work. 40:18 There are some fascinating lessons 40:20 to be learned. 40:23 How old was he when he died? 40:25 I think he was 94 if I remember right. 40:27 He lived a very long life. 40:28 He did live a long life. Very busy workaholic. 40:30 He did, he did that, he was... 40:34 You know, he was, he lived very healthful life 40:37 in terms of his physical habits, 40:41 lived a long time. 40:42 He was still performing operations 40:44 up into his 90s. 40:47 And he, you know, 40:48 up until the whole at least into the 1970s. 40:52 I mean, he died in the 40s and up into the 1970s, 40:54 I know there were still people who would in the Michigan area 40:59 especially they would present themselves 41:01 for their annual physical with a new doctor, 41:03 you know, the old doctor died or something like that 41:05 and then they come to a new doctor. 41:08 And the doctor would look and you'd see a suture line, 41:09 and he says Dr. Kellogg, I can tell. 41:13 He was good. 41:14 He was good. 41:16 So here we have just to recap a little bit. 41:18 Here we had a man that was called for the work. 41:23 He had a change in his life. 41:25 And like you said, 41:27 he was quite renowned for his surgery. 41:29 He did a lot of good and that can go for anyone, 41:33 that could be an illustration of anyone living 41:36 that died or anytime. 41:38 But there's something that came out I believe 41:41 and you want to share this with us. 41:42 What is it that can change in us, 41:46 that can bring about the change that Dr. Kellogg went through? 41:50 The good change? 41:51 Well... 41:52 The bad change? The bad change. 41:54 I want to make sure I'm on the right page. 41:55 Yeah, the bad change. 41:57 Well, you can tell, you know, there can be a good change 41:58 going the other way too but in this case, 42:01 there was a bad change. 42:03 The bad change for Kellogg. 42:08 And there's a sobering lesson here. 42:11 Well, we want to learn from it 42:12 because we don't want to make the same mistakes. 42:13 No, no. 42:15 And, you know, I invested most of the year 42:19 actually trying to make sure 42:21 I understood Dr. Kellogg's decline, 42:24 just because there was a little conflicting, 42:27 you know, evidence in different things, 42:29 you know, and I said, "No, no, no, no, 42:30 I don't understand this well enough yet." 42:32 And so I read everything that Ellen White wrote 42:36 to or about him over a 15-year period. 42:38 I wrote, I read all of his papers. 42:41 Did he have a lot of direction from Ellen White? 42:43 A great deal. Yes. 42:45 Some of which he followed. 42:47 Well, she sort of treated him almost like a son, didn't she? 42:50 She did, yes. 42:52 Didn't she and her husband help pay for him 42:55 to go through medical school? 42:56 They did. Yes. Yes, they did. 42:57 Actually her son, Ellen White's son, 43:01 Willie White writing, 43:04 I think he might have been writing 43:05 to Dr. Kellogg actually, because they were, you know, 43:08 young men, they grew up together and whatnot. 43:10 And they had been very friendly until then later in life 43:14 when there's these tensions. 43:16 But Willie White wrote to Dr. Kellogg, I think it was, 43:19 it might have been someone else. 43:21 But he said, 43:24 "I have no question in my mind 43:26 that the mother would work harder 43:29 to save Dr. Kellogg 43:31 than she would for either of her two sons, 43:35 because she knows how important he is 43:38 to Lord's work." 43:40 And he said that with no malice whatsoever. 43:44 But yes, what was the change? 43:45 Well, the change in one sense came gradually 43:48 because there was a weakness that he held on to 43:53 and he resisted ever correcting. 43:58 And that weakness was simply his desire 44:00 for what I would call grandiosity. 44:03 He loved to make a big show. 44:05 He wanted to be in charge 44:07 and he wanted it to be impressive. 44:09 And so hence the building 44:11 that you mentioned in Battle Creek 44:12 is large and impressive. 44:14 Unfortunately, it was grandiose in a way 44:16 that was counterproductive. 44:19 And it was really, as near as I read it now, 44:22 it was that at the heart that that caused him to reject, 44:28 to ignore all the other councils, 44:31 anything that came in the way of his pride basically. 44:36 Yeah, yeah, in particular shape and form of pride. 44:41 And that's really what did it. 44:43 And that's something 44:45 that we've all got to be careful of. 44:46 Indeed. 44:47 Any one of us could have in our lives 44:50 something that we have not surrendered 44:53 of self 44:55 that we need to let go of 44:58 or else it could drag us away from God. 45:01 And that's what I say is so sobering about it, 45:03 you know, it would have been one thing if I found that, 45:06 oh, in 1899, 45:08 there was a particular event and suddenly Kellogg, 45:11 you know, was deranged. 45:13 But it wasn't. 45:15 It was a little thing 45:18 that is a lot like the little things 45:20 that I have to deal within my life. 45:22 In the Song of Solomon, in the Bible, 45:25 it says it's the little foxes that spoil the grapes. 45:29 It's the little sins that we hold on to 45:32 that can destroy our lives. 45:34 Because it's those little sins that leave the door open 45:39 for the devil to work in our lives 45:41 and drag us away from God. 45:43 It's an old saying amongst sociologists 45:45 that every culture, every civilization 45:48 establishes a theology to meet their practices. 45:52 And we do that, we tend to do that 45:53 on an independent or an individual basis as well. 45:56 Instead of fit our practices in with the theology. 45:59 The theology of truth, find the truth and fit to that, 46:02 you know, and we have this. 46:04 You know, there's a danger when we're successful, 46:06 because we attributed that success, 46:09 not to the one who gives us the ability, 46:11 but to ourselves and the I can see that in this, 46:16 you know, the history of Kellogg 46:18 because he, you know, he's a man, 46:21 just like any one of us... 46:22 A successful and famous man. Yes. 46:24 Extremely successful, yes. 46:25 And so that's the danger 46:26 and we always need to attribute everything we do 46:28 in our abilities to God. 46:30 Didn't they have US President, 46:32 some things come to the Battle Creek? 46:33 Yes, they had the royalty from Europe, 46:37 they had senators. 46:40 I think the President that came was not in office at the time. 46:44 He was a former President. 46:46 It was Taft, I believe it was. 46:48 All the titans of the, you know, 46:51 this was the Gilded Age 46:52 of American commercial interest. 46:56 You know, the John D. Rockefellers. 46:58 He was a frequent guest. 46:59 Ivan Powell, the Russian scientist 47:02 was a friend of Dr. Kellogg's. 47:04 Henry Firestone, the tire company, 47:07 and Henry Ford, the guy from ice, 47:12 was it, hmm, 47:15 IBM International Business Machines, 47:17 which in those days 47:18 was with the old manual cash registers, 47:21 you know, yeah. 47:22 But they all came. They all came. 47:24 So He became very famous 47:27 and very sought after by very rich 47:30 and influential people. 47:31 Yes, he himself and this is, 47:33 you know, part of the intrigue of the whole thing. 47:35 He never did become particularly wealthy himself. 47:38 He could have, 47:39 he could have been a millionaire times 47:41 over times over times over. 47:42 He's very generous as an individual. 47:48 But there is a development that I think is fascinating, 47:53 and I'm going to scoot ahead to that if I may. 47:57 As Dr. Kellogg really caused 48:02 more trouble, 48:04 and as this book Living Temple came out, 48:08 and it was disturbing things and presenting error. 48:14 He was causing a huge amount of trouble 48:16 for the leaders of the Adventist Church. 48:19 He was just really a pain in their neck. 48:22 And he was attacking them, accusing them of, 48:26 you know, being, well, 48:29 accusing them of attacking him, basically. 48:32 Yeah, okay. 48:34 He was just causing them a mountain of grief. 48:42 And then Ellen White would write something, 48:45 if we can put this on the screen too here. 48:49 "Some thought the time had come long ago 48:53 to make a determined effort 48:55 to break the spell and expose the deception." 48:58 So Kellogg's got this pantheism stuff out there 49:01 and he's got all these other things. 49:03 And she says, you know, 49:05 some and I can give you some of the names, 49:06 you know, A.G. Daniels, 49:07 the General Conference President, 49:09 W.W. Prescott, 49:10 the Editor of the Review and Herald, 49:12 the ones that Kellogg was bashing 49:14 so badly in their way. 49:16 They were, you know, they were human. 49:19 And they said, "No, let's come on, 49:20 let's stop this, Sister White. 49:22 You've got information. 49:24 You've got instruction from God that could stop this. 49:27 Make it visible." 49:29 And that that quote goes on... 49:30 Break the spell. Yes. 49:32 She says, "But I was shown 49:35 that our brethren must make no move 49:37 until Dr. Kellogg and his associates 49:39 had taken a decided position to repudiate the testimonies. 49:43 When this was done, 49:45 we must show our people the right side 49:47 and take the affirmative in the name of the Lord." 49:51 Okay, now the testimony is referred to there 49:53 would be the writings of Ellen White, 49:57 and this is awkward 49:59 and she hated having to stand up 50:00 and defend her own work. 50:02 But it was not her own work, 50:03 it was the instruction from God. 50:05 And so here's you have this, 50:06 this replay of the battle in heaven with Lucifer. 50:11 When Lucifer said, "I will not listen to God." 50:17 He was expelled. 50:18 And what she's saying here 50:20 is when he takes a firm stand against inspiration, 50:27 that's the time to act. 50:29 The statement goes on, one more slide here. 50:33 "We had to move, 50:36 and yet we had to wait 50:38 until those in error 50:40 thought they could carry things 50:42 against the ministers and churches. 50:45 I was shown their course of action, 50:48 and had everything in readiness for such a movement 50:51 and labored to defeat their deep-laid plot." 50:55 I find this fascinating 50:58 because what this tells me 51:00 is that the battle between good and evil is real. 51:06 It's not just some sort of spiritual battle, 51:11 it is a spiritual battle, 51:12 but it's a spiritual battle that requires 51:14 real intelligence, real strategy, 51:17 real instruction from, I mean, you know, 51:21 every army in the world has their spies 51:24 and their intelligence sources. 51:25 Well, we've got God. 51:27 There's a bit of an advantage there. 51:29 You know, and as she said, 51:31 she was shown in advance what was going to happen. 51:34 And she was given the timing of it. 51:36 Not now, not now. 51:37 We must, we had to move 51:39 and yet we had to wait, she says. 51:41 And I find that so fascinating 51:43 because it makes it a compelling wartime story 51:48 if that, you know. 51:50 But the battle wasn't this, the battle was God's. 51:53 The battle was God's. 51:54 And once again, the only weapon 51:56 was the revelation of truth. 51:59 And so, amazingly enough, 52:01 when the final push came to shove, 52:04 of the whole event came down. 52:07 It actually was Christmas time 1905, 52:10 and oddly enough, this is a story 52:12 that Adventist historians have not told much. 52:14 I was totally unaware 52:16 of this particular turn of events 52:17 until about six months ago, just from my own research. 52:20 And I don't know why that is. 52:21 But I'm going to just hold you there 52:22 because I want to hear this story. 52:24 But we just going to take a break for a moment 52:26 to put up our address details. 52:28 And I just want to mention to you 52:30 that David does do seminars and lectures around the world 52:35 and I know he's here in Australia, 52:38 and to share his knowledge 52:40 about the medical missionary work. 52:43 And if you want to contact him, 52:44 we will give you his email address 52:46 and his website. 52:48 But for us here, 52:49 I want to thank you for supporting us 52:51 and if you would like to do that again, each month, 52:55 that would be a great thing 52:57 to see this part of these programs 52:59 and anything that we do here that goes around the world. 53:02 For you to be a part of, 53:03 you can do so by contacting us at this address. 53:11 If you would like to contact 3ABN Australia, 53:13 you may do so in the following ways. 53:15 You may write to 3ABN Australia, 53:18 PO Box 752, 53:20 Morisset, New South Wales 2264, Australia. 53:24 That's PO Box 752, 53:26 Morisset, New South Wales 2264, Australia. 53:31 Or you may call 02-4973-3456. 53:35 That's 02-4973-3456 53:39 from 8:30 am to 5 pm Monday to Thursday 53:43 or 8:30 am to 12 pm Fridays, 53:47 New South Wales time. 53:48 You may also email us at mail@3abnaustralia.org.Au. 53:54 That's 53:55 mail@3abnaustralia.org.Au. 54:02 Thank you for all you do to help us like the world 54:04 with the glory of God's truth. 54:09 We look forward to hearing from you, 54:11 our viewers and our listeners who are very valuable to us. 54:14 But at the moment 54:15 we're talking with David Fiedler. 54:17 And, David, we're going to put your email address up 54:21 in case people want to contact you 54:22 directly. 54:24 Yes, it's D Fiedler, 54:26 that's dfiedler 54:31 @adventistcitymissions.org. 54:34 Adventistcitymissions.org. 54:37 Perfect. Good. 54:38 Now I want to hear the rest of the story. 54:40 We don't have time, 54:42 much time but we've got to get it in. 54:44 As Ellen White had said, 54:45 we had to move and yet we had to wait, 54:48 she was shown their plans 54:50 and she was instructed as to what to do. 54:52 Well, the instruction what was said 54:54 we don't have that on the screen 54:56 but what it said was 54:57 have the truth of the matter all written out, 55:01 ready to publish at the right time. 55:03 Okay. 55:04 So when's the right time? 55:06 Well, we just have to wait and see. 55:07 Okay. 55:08 The Lord didn't say, "Oh, it's going to be on this date." 55:10 He just said, when this happens, okay. 55:12 Well, in December of 1905, 55:17 Dr. Kellogg took 55:19 a more decided and open repudiation stand 55:22 against the instruction he'd received from God. 55:28 Ellen White, before that happened, 55:31 she was instructed on the 21st of December, 55:35 she was told to get certain documents together 55:38 and send them to Battle Creek, Michigan. 55:40 She wired a telegram to Elder Daniels 55:43 who was somewhere else 55:44 and said proceed to Battle Creek 55:45 and wait for documents. 55:47 The documents came in on the morning of the 26th. 55:52 The night of the 25th 55:54 before was one Kellogg had taken his stand, 55:56 which is to say four days before Kellogg 55:58 did what he did, 56:00 the Lord told her 56:01 now's the time to mail the documents. 56:03 The documents that she gathered up, 56:05 the most pointed one 56:07 had actually been written on the 4th of January, 56:12 no, excuse me, 56:13 it would have been the 1st of January, 1904, 56:18 almost two years before. 56:20 The document had been written. 56:21 And in that document she had quotes of things 56:24 that had been said in the meeting 56:26 the night before the document arrived 56:29 in Battle Creek, yes, okay. 56:32 And so, the power of the rebellion, 56:35 if you wish was largely broken by this obvious demonstration 56:40 of divine foreknowledge maneuvered, 56:44 managed in a way that only God could have done 56:46 to provide the right document at the right time. 56:50 In fact, the first person to look at it 56:52 was one of the doctors 56:54 who had sat in the meeting the night before 56:56 and listening to Dr. Kellogg 56:58 and he recognized the meeting and he said this, 57:00 "Okay. I'm done." 57:03 How do you combat this? 57:05 And so, 57:06 I think there are lessons here for our day. 57:09 Rebellion is not a thing of the past. 57:11 We have not yet come 57:13 to the ultimate omega of apostasy 57:16 which has been promised. 57:18 And when it comes it will look much like the real thing. 57:24 A humanitarian message 57:29 that forsakes the truth of the gospel 57:31 and it still looks the same. 57:33 Anyhow, there you go. You have to be careful. 57:34 Yes. 57:35 Thank you, David, 57:37 for coming on the program and sharing that, 57:38 these things we will always learn 57:40 from past experiences. 57:42 Take note, Jesus is coming soon. 57:44 See you next time. |
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