Participants: Jim Gilley & C. A. Murray
Series Code: NLLB
Program Code: NLLB012705
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00:01 Welcome back, we are coming to you live from Israel,
00:05 from Jerusalem, from the RRSat Center-- Yes. 00:09 Here in Jerusalem. 00:11 And we've been having a great time 00:13 and hopefully you've heard some information 00:15 and you've caught the fire, the fever, the fervor 00:18 of what's happening here in Israel. 00:20 And as we said in our first half, 00:21 work is a little tougher here than many other places 00:24 in the world because of the community, 00:25 because of the history, because of this country, 00:28 but Christ is doing some marvelous things in Israel 00:32 and it's exciting to be a part of that, Jim. 00:33 Amen, it really is. Yeah. 00:35 And when I hear Pastor Roger speak. Yeah. 00:41 I tell you, I get really excited and Pastor Olen. Yes. 00:45 And you hear about, 00:47 you know, the challenges they have, yes, 00:50 but the opportunities that they have are just fantastic. 00:54 Yes, yeah. So we're excited 00:55 and then when we began to visit with Joanne Davis 01:00 and she is sharing with us some of the things 01:04 that she has experienced in our trip this week 01:08 and we're gonna start talking about 01:10 what the trip has been meaning to people spiritually 01:13 and why that we just feel that 01:18 it's a very important thing to do. 01:20 And we don't believe everybody needs to do this, 01:22 we really don't. 01:23 But, you know, a lot of people take 01:25 expensive vacations every year and they go to exotic places. 01:29 There are really a lot of people that do that. 01:31 And when they have made this kind of trip, 01:36 they find it so much more meaningful 01:38 than lying on a beach in Hawaii or something of that nature. 01:42 I'm not knocking that, 01:43 but the world we live in today is so different. 01:48 Back in the time say of Ellen White, 01:50 it took virtually a year for people to come here. 01:55 There were no real accommodations for them 01:57 when they got here. 01:59 And so there was really not all that much to do. 02:02 Mark Twain wrote a book about it. 02:04 And if anyone ever read that book, 02:07 there would certainly never want to come to Israel. 02:10 Things are different now. The travel is different. 02:13 You can come over here. 02:15 You'd go on a week, 10 days something like that 02:17 like a normal vacation would be. 02:20 The amount of money that used to cost to come 02:22 was about a year's salary. 02:24 Now it's the amount of money 02:26 that somebody would spend for a normal vacation. 02:29 So it's not--the perspective is altogether different 02:33 than it was 150 years ago. 02:37 You know, it's just a whole different idea. Yeah. 02:39 So we have found that it's been an exciting thing 02:43 and you see what Dr. Roger was talking about 02:47 and how he wants to have a study group over here, 02:51 a place where a lot of young people can be inspired. 02:54 Like that idea. Yeah. 02:55 Like that idea. 02:57 We have Joanne Davis with us in the studio. 03:00 We've sort of cut you off 03:02 because you had a story you wanted to share, 03:04 but before you share that story,let's just back up 03:06 and you just spent sometime at the general conference? I have. 03:08 And some things are happening there. 03:10 Fill us in on that and then we'll go to your story. 03:12 Well, I've just returned back to New Zealand 03:15 after a 5-day global communication summit. 03:19 And 70 of our communicators from around the world 03:23 joined together to come up with ways 03:26 that we can strategically reach the world for Jesus. 03:31 Do you know we've got so many different people, 03:33 3ABN included, who are working, 03:35 doing fantastic work in different parts of the world 03:39 and with different ministries. 03:41 But wouldn't it be wonderful 03:43 if we could come together from time to time 03:46 and strategically tell the world 03:49 about the second coming of Jesus? Yes, yes. 03:52 And it was 5 days of trying to workout 03:54 whether there was a desire for that to happen 03:57 and whether it could actually be possible. 04:00 And I left the GC greatly encouraged that it is possible, 04:05 that there is a desire that we do this, 04:08 and that technology today will facilitate that, 04:11 that even individuals with their own ministries like I do 04:15 and like many, many church members all over the world do, 04:19 can be part of something much bigger that can reach the world. 04:23 There is so many parts of the world 04:25 that just haven't heard of Jesus at all. 04:29 And if we keep doing what we're doing in our own little pockets, 04:33 we'll never actually reach those areas. 04:35 Now imagine if we got all of the Generals around a map 04:40 and we drew circles on where we've already reached 04:44 and we found out where we hadn't reached 04:46 and we made a commitment that, 04:49 you know, you would do this 04:50 and you would do that, and you would do this 04:52 and then we could actually cover the whole world. Yeah, yeah. 04:54 And then thought about and prayed about a campaign 04:58 that the Lord would give us. 05:00 Could you imagine a creative campaign 05:03 where the Lord gave us the idea? Amen. 05:06 You know, we all look as communicators for ideas 05:10 that will go viral. 05:12 That's the desire of every great communicator 05:15 and every great advertiser, 05:17 but very rarely does it happen, 05:20 but Jesus is the greatest creator of all 05:23 and I'm sure that He has got a message that would go viral, 05:27 if we reached the world 05:29 and we strategically and intentionally did that. Yes. 05:32 You know, the nearest thing to that, 05:34 that we have seen was the Ten Commandments book 05:38 with Shelley and Danny Shelton. 05:43 Over 10 million of those went out. 05:47 People don't realize that's an astronomical number 05:51 for a book and it's still going. 05:54 It's beyond that-- I'm sure but-- 05:57 But, you know, there are 17 million members 06:00 of the Seventh-day Adventist church 06:01 and probably about 25 million people 06:04 that attend church each week, 06:06 but there are 7 billion people in the world 06:09 and what we have is 06:11 as Seventh-day Adventist Christians is so precious 06:14 and so necessary that we tell people around the world 06:18 and I know I just long and pray for the day 06:20 when all 25 million of us can get together 06:25 and do something together that would reach the world 06:28 and that the world would stand up and listen, 06:30 you know, when everyone does the same thing 06:32 and when a big crowd does the same thing, it's noteworthy. 06:36 It is and then the world's media will report 06:40 and they'll say now what is this? 06:41 What is happening that they're all doing the same thing? 06:46 They've all got the same message. 06:47 They've all got the same campaign, "What is it?" Yeah. 06:50 You know, something I believe that's gonna happen 06:52 before Christ comes-- I do. 06:54 With all my heart, I do, Jim. 06:55 And it maybe strange way, 06:58 it maybe brought about by persecution. 07:00 It maybe brought about by whatever, 07:02 because sometimes bad news is what the news focuses on. 07:09 The situation that we've had here, 07:12 you know, folks, it was bad, 07:13 but more people have died with West Nile virus in United States 07:19 twice as many as have died in this conflict that took place. 07:23 Now I'm not cheapening that. 07:25 I don't think anyone should die anytime from anything, 07:28 but you see there are so many things going on, 07:31 but something like this is sensational 07:34 and so the news gets right on it 07:37 and they focus it and the whole world's looking at it. 07:39 And actually even blowing it beyond what it really was. 07:43 Even though it was bad enough, 07:45 they make a big thing out of it. 07:48 Somehow God's people are gonna to be a focus in a way 07:54 that is gonna bring worldwide attention. 07:56 And it may not be fun. 07:58 It may not be popular at the time, 08:01 but it will be getting that message across around the world. 08:05 It could be just something so beautiful that we've shared. 08:08 You know, we've got a wonderful world president Elder Wilson, 08:12 and he called this communication summit. 08:14 He is committed to us working together around the world. 08:19 What if we did something that was so loving 08:22 and so precious that people stood up and listened? 08:25 You know, our job is to tell people about Jesus. 08:29 A valid answer is I don't want to hear it. Yeah. 08:32 But what we could do is just tell people 08:34 what they need to know, 08:36 so that when something does happen in the economy 08:38 or in natural disasters or whatever, 08:41 they go, "Ooh, I remember. 08:42 I remember those people telling me about that." 08:44 That's right. That's true. 08:45 And it brings it back to mind. 08:47 You know, I think 08:50 and I was not able to make that meeting because of my surgery, 08:53 but one of the things that I think 08:56 we will shift into is that media particularly Adventist media 09:01 will in and off itself, you know, there's a time 09:04 when the preacher preached and the media reported about it 09:08 or someone did something and the media report about it, 09:10 but I think media itself 09:11 will become an integral part of the finishing of the work. 09:14 And I think as we coordinate our different media outlets, 09:17 we ought to--whenever and wherever people are, 09:21 we ought to be there. 09:23 That's physically, that's in the cyber world, 09:25 that's in the electronic world, 09:27 wherever there's an ear, or an eye, or a heart, 09:30 the Adventist message ought to be there. 09:32 And so I think media not only should they report 09:34 on what preachers are doing, I think they themselves 09:37 ought to be integral in the finishing of the work. 09:39 And I think you agree with me in that idea. 09:43 God is going to show us how to go 09:45 and I don't want to use the term take back, 09:47 for me that's what it is, 09:49 some of these things that the devil has owned for too long 09:51 that we're gonna have to use for the finishing of the work. 09:55 And I think as media flexes its spiritual muscles, 09:59 dare I say, and becomes very aggressive 10:02 that God will use it in a powerful, powerful way. 10:04 We know now that when television, 10:07 3ABN in particular, goes into certain areas, things happen, 10:10 pots begin to bubble and souls begin to come 10:13 and I think the more that is expanded, 10:16 there was a time when there was no television presence, 10:22 now there are a slew of stations all preaching the gospel 10:26 and we cannot have too much of that. 10:27 But the beautiful part is that you said 10:30 wherever there's a heart and it's people loving the people 10:34 that the media brings into the church. Yeah, amen. 10:37 So it's a working together. Yeah, so much. 10:40 Joanne, thank you so very, very much. 10:42 Thank you for your love for the Lord, 10:44 for your media background and for those talents 10:46 that you bring to the work of God. 10:47 It's been a pleasure. God bless you. 10:49 Thank you. God bless you. Good to see you. 10:52 Well, listen this and we're getting so many great emails 10:59 and we want to say, well, Shelley is coming in. 11:02 I want to say that those of you that are trying to reach Roger 11:06 and you're coming through me, that's fine. 11:08 You just send them on to me 11:10 and I will forward them to Dr. Roger Robertson 11:14 and many of you have asked 11:16 what is the best way to come to Israel? 11:20 Should you come and stay there, 11:22 that might work for you as I would come as a group. 11:25 As individuals, the best way is come with a trip like ours 11:29 and it really is because it's organized. 11:32 In the end, it won't cost you any more 11:34 because we're able to as a group secure 11:38 some of these costs at a lot lower rate 11:42 than you can as an individual. 11:43 Well, Shelley, it's good to have you with us. 11:46 Well, it's exciting to be here. 11:47 And I just want to say to those of you at home, Shabbat Shalom. 11:52 You know, J.D. and I came with you yesterday-- 11:56 we are awake, aren't we? Right. 11:57 Last year and it was life changing for us 12:00 because we've really-- it made the Bible come alive 12:04 and our guide Malcolm Cartier last year was wonderful. 12:08 This year it has been even better 12:12 because everything we learned last year, 12:15 it is just coming together for us, 12:19 you know, and you're already familiar. 12:21 I just can't wait to come back again. Right. 12:24 And we can't wait for you to come back. 12:27 Well, tell us you had some experiences though 12:29 that were exciting too, witnessing and so forth? 12:32 Absolutely, and you know we're with such a wonderful group 12:35 and we watch them. 12:37 They are great ambassadors for the Lord, 12:39 as they're out talking with shopkeepers 12:41 and we've had people ask about our beliefs. 12:45 I think for me the highlights 12:48 are when you stand on the Mount of Beatitudes 12:52 where Christ gave His inaugural address as King of the universe 12:57 and then like today where we were at the garden tomb, 13:01 Golgotha the garden tomb, and then having communion together. 13:06 It cements relationships and to watch the people on our bus 13:12 how they are growing, how there is so many tears. 13:15 We've had people who've said that 13:17 their emotions have been blocked for a year or 2 years 13:22 and suddenly every thing's come 13:23 and they feel like they're reconnecting with the Lord. 13:26 It's wonderful-- 13:28 One of the things that I actually read about 13:29 this trip has been very healing, 13:30 because as we found out today during testimony time, 13:33 there are a number of people on this trip 13:34 who've lost children, husbands, 13:38 you know, very, very close and to come and to sort of 13:41 just bask in the sunshine of the love of Christ 13:44 and fellow Adventist is a healing thing. 13:46 Yeah, several ladies have lost husbands. 13:48 One young mother who had a child that was shocked and killed 13:55 only a few months ago and she says that she feels that 14:00 this has been a great healing experience. 14:02 Well, listen, we can't keep you too long, 14:04 but I want to talk to some of those 14:10 that have been helping us with this trip, 14:12 because it's a ministry for them. 14:17 Greg Riley, I began first working with his grandfather 14:22 Richard Riley over 30 years ago and then with his father Mike 14:28 and now Greg and I want to tell you something, 14:31 I liked his grandfather, and I liked his father, 14:33 but I like Greg better than both of them-- 14:35 This is kind of in your DNA, man. It is, it is. 14:37 It is, I mean, if you got a child coming on you-- 14:40 Two of them, two boys. 14:42 We got to start grooming them into the business also. 14:44 All right, this is right in the family tradition. It is, it is. 14:48 Yeah, well, Greg, we welcome you and tell us, 14:51 I know you have expressed to me that this is a ministry to you, 14:54 tell me a little bit about it. 14:56 Well, as you said, my grandfather started this 14:58 38 years ago now. 14:59 My father is in it and he was a missionary 15:03 and when he came back from India-- 15:05 Your grandfather? My grandfather, 15:06 and one of his friends said, 15:08 "Hey, we got a fam trip, let's take you to the holy land." 15:11 And he went and came back and said, 15:13 "That's it, everybody has to go." 15:15 So from then till now, 15:17 we've been sending people to the holy land monthly. 15:21 Yes, well, I can understand his enthusiasm, 15:24 because to be honest with you, my first trip, 15:27 I did not have a good experience. 15:30 I had a very--I had a guide I couldn't understand 15:33 and see this is why we have worked so hard 15:36 to get guides that people can understand, 15:39 who get guides who are Christians, 15:42 to get the organization set up 15:45 so that it's friendly to our people, 15:49 because that first trip I came it wasn't. 15:51 But when I came back the second time, 15:53 I got Malcolm Cartier and from then on, 15:57 I have over 20 something trips with him 16:00 and we're gonna meet him in a little bit. Yes. 16:03 But it's been an exciting time. 16:07 But, Greg, I know we got a lot of people to talk to. 16:10 Do you have anything you wanted to share? 16:12 We're happy to serve you 16:14 and looking forward to maybe next year 16:16 serving a group in the holy land again. 16:18 Well, we hope you good. 16:20 We'll see you tomorrow in the bus. 16:21 All right, okay, thanks, Greg. 16:23 Now listen they've got people of all ages on this trip. 16:27 We have one family, they have their two children 16:32 that are like of what-- I think they are 11-- 16:39 Between 10 and 12 certainly, yeah. 16:41 And these are two of the greatest kids. They are. 16:43 Ryan, a little boy, he is just into this trip so much 16:47 and the parents are just wonderful folks. 16:50 Yeah, Ryan was taking the pictures 16:51 when we were in the baptism oath-- Yeah. 16:54 In the Jordan the other day doing baptism 16:55 and the little boy was taking the pictures 16:57 and doing very, very fine job. 16:58 Very well behaved and you like to have nice children like that 17:01 who are paying attention, 17:03 who are listening as part of your tour. 17:05 Now, C.A., I have little bit of a conflict of interest 17:10 in this particular guest. 17:12 Would you do this part of the interview for me? 17:15 I think you and he share the same name. Yes, we do. 17:18 You know, the other day, I was trying to call you in your room 17:20 and I dialed the number 17:23 and I heard this voice, I said, "That's not Jim." 17:26 And I said, "Is this Jim Gilley?" 17:27 He said, "Yeah, this is Jim Gilley." 17:29 I said, "No you're not. 17:30 You're not Jim Gilley. I know his voice. 17:32 You're not Jim Gilley." 17:33 But it was Jim Gilley, I guess, the III. The III. 17:35 Yeah, the third Jim Gilley, 17:37 took a little time out to be with us. Yes. 17:39 I guess, he's the only person on this particular trip 17:41 sub 20 and-- Yeah, and that's not with their parents. 17:46 Yeah, you are right, who's not with their parents. 17:49 But what we want to ask you is first time here? Yes. 17:52 Yeah, your impressions as an academy student 17:56 attending an Adventist Academy. Where do you go to school? Yeah. 17:59 Sunnydale Adventist Academy. 18:00 Okay, a little commercial for Sunnydale and-- 18:02 And they're in Centralia, Missouri. Centralia, Missouri. 18:05 It's a great school. I love it there. 18:07 All right. 18:08 Why did you want to come and now that you've come, 18:12 what do you think? 18:13 Well, I wanted to come because it's the place 18:16 I've been reading about since I was a little kid 18:19 and to finally see it come alive all the stories that I've read, 18:23 it's really been a good experience for me. 18:27 Less than you thought, more than you thought, 18:29 exactly what you thought, how has it impressed you? 18:31 Well, I really didn't know what to think coming here. 18:33 That was kind of just surprising but it's been really cool. 18:40 Now just between me and you, traveling with your grandfather, 18:45 good thing or has it been kind of, you know? 18:48 It's been really great. 18:49 Okay, you are politically correct. 18:53 I tell you his dad's been one of my favorite 18:56 travel partners through the years too. 18:58 And my kids, I love traveling with them. 19:02 It gives us--over the years, it gives us an opportunity 19:04 to be close to them, spend some real quality time. 19:08 Yeah, your kids did evangelism with you for many years. 19:10 Oh, yes, absolutely and working as kids, I mean, 19:15 you know, but then everyone had a job to do 19:18 and were very much a part of the team. 19:20 Marianne always ran the sound, my son Jim, his dad, 19:25 ran the computer, and took care of all the slides and so forth. 19:30 Their son John always ran the spotlight and Amy, 19:34 she just kind of ran around and helped with-- Just ran. 19:37 Right, but she was our youngest daughter, 19:41 but every once in a while, I've had them say to me, 19:45 "We got to go somewhere and do a meeting again sometime." 19:48 Well, Jim, we got to move along. 19:50 But--we do thanks, my friend, for coming, 19:53 my grandson. Thank you. 19:54 By the way, I had the privilege 19:56 of baptizing Jimmy in the Jordan River. 20:01 And we baptized, how many 35 was it? 20:04 It was a good number-- I think it was 35 people. 20:07 Many of them were rebaptisms, 20:09 but they were meaning for rebaptisms. 20:12 And there was one for sure that was a brand new baptism. 20:17 And she gave her heart to the Lord. 20:20 And, boy, I tell you the devil has fought her so hard, 20:24 but she needs holding on to Jesus 20:26 and it's an exciting thing. 20:28 Yeah, you know what, Jim, we're kind of slipping in here. 20:30 I had something happen in that baptismal service 20:33 that never happened in 38 years of ministry. 20:37 I had a lady float away from here, 20:38 in fact she floated right down that-- 20:40 she did she float down to J.D., you kind of saved me. 20:43 I thought you told me you were fish nibbling-- 20:45 With fish nibbling I've had before 20:47 when I baptized in fresh water before, 20:49 but she kind of just laid out and she just floated down. 20:54 I never had that happen before. 20:56 I thought I had pretty good technique. 20:57 You caught her though. Yeah, we got her. 20:59 Yeah, we've never lost anyone in a baptism. 21:01 Oh, you just stand up, it's not deep. 21:03 No, it's right, it's right. 21:06 This is J.D. Quinn. Yeah. 21:07 You know him very well. 21:09 He is the director of our pastoral department at 3ABN, 21:11 husband of Shelley Quinn 21:13 and J.D. Quinn is like a father in Israel. 21:15 What do you say? He is. 21:16 I tell you more people pray with J.D. than anybody I know of. 21:21 Really, really he does. 21:22 He prays with a lot of people all the time 21:24 and we just appreciate him so very much. 21:27 You know, we have something happening 21:29 right now in the United States. 21:32 One of our young men, Kyle Warne, 21:36 his father Mike died this week of a heart attack. Very sudden. 21:42 And Kyle and his brother, uh... Matthew. 21:46 Matthew--his sister Ruth. Yeah, and they just-- 21:53 it just was a tragic sudden death for a man in his 50s 21:57 that heart attack that just took him immediately. 22:03 They're having a funeral this very hour 22:06 and we want to remember them. 22:08 In fact, J.D., I'm gonna ask you to have a prayer. 22:12 We've not had a prayer in our meeting so far 22:15 and I'm gonna ask you to have a prayer right now 22:18 for the family and for all those who maybe 22:21 hurting around in the world. Amen. 22:23 Would you pray? 22:25 Oh, Father, we come to You in the name of Jesus 22:27 and we just thank you, Lord, 22:28 that You are the great comforter. 22:31 And, Father, as we come to You right now 22:33 during this major loss, 22:35 a premature loss in our opinion, Lord, 22:37 Father, but Your ways are higher than our ways 22:39 and we don't understand them. 22:41 But, Father, this was such a godly man, 22:43 Mike was such a godly man and everyone loved him. 22:45 And he's got two precious boys and a precious girl 22:50 and a very precious wife, Lord. 22:52 And we're just asking that You will be with them, Lord, 22:54 that You will wrap Your arms around them, 22:56 and that You will give them the comfort needed, Lord. 22:58 And that You will just give them 23:00 a better understanding of the planet 23:02 You have for their life, Lord. 23:03 And, Father, there are many people, Lord, 23:06 right now that have different issues in life. 23:10 And, Father, as we just stand in the gap for them, 23:12 we just lift them up to you and just ask, Lord, 23:14 that You will just bless them according to their needs, 23:19 their desires, Lord, but what we want more than anything, Lord, 23:22 is that our will is lined up with Yours, 23:24 because then we know, Lord, that we're walking with You 23:29 with Your arms around us to smooth the road before us. 23:32 So, Father, we thank You and we love You 23:34 and we ask this in the name of Jesus. Amen. 23:36 Amen. Amen. 23:38 You know, J.D., you were with us last year 23:41 and Shelley expressed how much the trip meant 23:46 and then how much it's meant this year. 23:49 How was your response? 23:50 Let me just share this if I can real quick, 23:53 because I've been keeping a day timer for 37 years 23:57 and let me just kind of just share in 15 or 20 seconds, 24:01 what we do every day. 24:02 We started with the Sea of Galilee, 24:04 then we went to Chorazin National Park, 24:07 then we went to Caesarea Philippi, 24:09 then we went to the source of the Jordan. 24:12 I mean, its looks like the Glacier National Park, 24:15 the water is so beautiful 24:16 and there's such an object lesson there is 24:18 as we get further away from the source, 24:20 we get further away from Jesus, you know. 24:22 And then we start, 24:23 then the next day we're at the Beit She'an National Park 24:27 and fantastic ruins by one of Herod's model cities 24:35 and then we went to Tiberius the Mount of Beatitudes, 24:39 we went to Capernaum, we went then-- 24:42 and had this wonderful baptism, 24:44 what a wonderful baptism in the Jordan. 24:47 And I'll just quickly go, 24:49 we went to Megiddo, the national park, 24:51 we went to where Mount Carmel, 24:54 when Elijah was there, 24:56 we went to Caesarea there right on the Mediterranean, 25:01 then we went to Jericho, 25:03 we went to the sycamore tree that Zacchaeus went up, 25:06 I mean, these were just things that-- 25:08 we went to Messara Qumran 25:09 where the Dead Sea scrolls were discovered. 25:12 We went to the Dead Sea of what you cannot sink, 25:15 your legs were sticking up, your arms were sticking up 25:18 and it's just like sitting in a rocking chair. 25:21 And then, today we started off with the Mount of Olives, 25:26 then we went to the Eastern Gate, mercy grace, 25:29 we went to the Palm Sunday Path, 25:31 we went to the Garden of Gethsemane. 25:33 What a precious place, you know, 25:35 that everyone can sit there and pray together. 25:38 And as Joanne brought to you, the 27 echoes, 25:43 Pastor Gilley here as he said, 25:45 he says, I've been a frustrated choir director all my life 25:49 and I'll guarantee you, we have people that can sing like-- 25:52 Just to be making up. Oh, yeah. 25:53 It was absolutely fantastic "How Great Thou Art." Yeah. 25:57 You know, and so then I just want to say one thing in closing 26:03 and that all the guests here, 26:04 before we came we dinner 26:06 and they say, hello, hello, hello, 26:07 that they're enjoying and they love it. 26:10 And so anyway. Okay. 26:13 Well, listen, J.D., 26:14 we appreciate you coming in for us. 26:15 And we wanted to talk to a number of people 26:18 and let you visit with some 26:19 and one of those with a great voice 26:22 is this gentlemen right here. 26:24 Yeah. Pastor Hall. 26:27 Gladwin Hall, he's become our de facto song leader, 26:31 'cause he has the great voice, he leads songs very well. 26:33 Good to have you here, man. Greatful to be here. 26:36 First time. Very first time. 26:37 And it's a million times better than I imagined. 26:42 And I'm not a pastor and I'm not a song leader, 26:45 really, I describe myself as one who makes a joyful noise. 26:50 Amen. That's just me. Yeah. 26:52 You are a very, very enthusiastic song leader. 26:57 The group is so special and you know, 26:59 the variety and everything 27:01 and that just inspires me, it's beautiful. 27:03 Now looking at the joy in your faces, 27:05 I think this trip has exceeded your expectations. 27:07 Way, way beyond my dreams. 27:09 With the violence and everything at the beginning, 27:12 there was some concern. 27:14 The last Sabbath, my church family 27:16 at the Heart Lake SDA Church had a special prayer for me, 27:19 I didn't expect that. 27:21 They had a special prayer for me in Sabbath school 27:23 and after that prayer, 27:25 I just felt that there was nothing that'll stop me. Wow. 27:27 Yeah, I just feel a heart to be here 27:29 and whatever it takes, I know that I am here, 27:33 it's just beautiful, it's beyond belief. 27:37 The thing that lingers in my mind, 27:40 the first impression-- 27:41 Well, first of all, I learned a number of things, 27:44 one, that the Sea of Galilee is not salt. Big revelation. 27:49 But our trip on that boat on that Sea of Galilee, 27:53 I will remember until my dying days. 27:55 It was just overwhelming, 27:58 it was just too much. 28:00 I almost couldn't breathe, you know, 28:03 I just see Jesus there with us. 28:05 And it was great, it was beautiful. 28:08 I don't know How else to put it. 28:09 Yeah, praise God, praise God. 28:11 Well, I can tell you're excited about it 28:14 and we want you to come back 28:16 and go with us again sometime. Oh, I will, I will. 28:19 And I have a bunch of friends who I'm sure, 28:21 when I go back and report and tell them that, 28:24 they're gonna want to be here. Yeah. 28:26 You have already ended this. 28:27 Before we let you go, 28:29 I want to ask you a quick question. 28:30 Are you a watcher of 3ABN? 28:32 How did you find out about this? 28:33 Oh, I'm a big fan of 3ABN. 28:37 I watched the every week and I purchased things 28:40 and so forth and I got a newsletter. 28:42 That's how I got it. Okay. 28:44 And I was just beyond excited. All right. 28:47 And I jumped on it immediately 28:49 and I have not regretted a cent or a second. 28:55 Well done, all right. Thank you. 28:58 All right, we're glad, God bless. We will see you. 29:00 Well you know, one of the things that, 29:01 as we said, makes our trips spiritually exciting 29:06 and informative is to have a real good guide. 29:09 Yeah. It's so important. 29:11 We're gonna talk to some of these guides, 29:12 right now that we've had. 29:15 And this is one right here. This is the guy on my bus, so-- 29:17 That's your man. And he is on our bus. 29:21 This guy knows his stuff. He does. 29:23 Yeah, and he's calm, 29:25 he's cool, he's collected. Yeah. 29:27 He only got a little rattled one time. 29:28 We had this group kind of filter in our group 29:30 and cut through our group. 29:31 And that kind of rattled him a little bit 29:33 because this group kept coming into our group, 29:34 he is trying to talk and people are filtering through. Yeah. 29:36 But he's a good guy and he knows his stuff. 29:37 Good to have you, on board, man. 29:39 Well, good to be here. Yeah. 29:40 How long have you been guiding? 29:42 I asked that same question. 29:43 13 years now. Is that right? 29:45 Yeah. 13 years. 29:47 What was, kind of, the thing that got you started doing this? 29:49 Well, you know, pastor it never crossed my mind 29:54 years before I started doing this 29:56 that I would ever be doing that sort of thing. 29:58 I came from a completely different field. Yeah. 30:01 I was in medicine, you know, I was educated in Jersey. 30:04 Yeah, you told us, went to school in Jersey. 30:06 School in New Jersey, four years of pre-medicine 30:09 and then another year of medical genetics 30:12 here at the Hebrew University. 30:15 And then my cousin came to me 30:16 and he said let's do this tour guiding course. 30:18 And I said, I have no interest, I have no time. Yeah. 30:22 Well, to cut a long story short, to get him off my back, 30:25 I said okay, I'll come with you and I'll do it. 30:28 And I had no idea why I was doing it at that time, 30:30 but now I do know why, because the official title says, 30:35 tour guide, but there's a lot more to it than this. 30:38 I've been doing this for 13 years 30:39 and I said, when I started doing this, 30:41 I'll put my genetics program on hold 30:44 and I'll come back to it when I'm done with the tour guide, 30:47 because it's a long process of training. 30:49 Its three years of training and I never went back to that. 30:52 And I love what I'm doing, it's not just tour guiding, 30:55 it's sharing the word, it's sharing a moment of faith 30:59 and, you know, when you get an email from someone 31:02 who has been on a trip and he says or she says, 31:05 you know, "I'm reading the Bible 31:06 and it sounds completely different now" 31:07 or you get a word from the pastor and he says, 31:09 "I quoted you in a sermon today," it just makes-- 31:12 the feeling is just-- I can't describe it, 31:16 you'd have to experience that 31:18 to be able to know what it feels like. 31:19 You know, today we had people give their testimonies 31:22 at the Garden Tomb after communion. 31:26 When you sit there and you hear them 31:28 tell about what this has meant to them, 31:32 don't you feel the depth of a ministry? 31:35 The joy is just so deep 31:38 and you feel like you have really touched somebody's life. 31:42 Because they've been listening to you all week. Exactly. 31:45 And now they are having this communion 31:51 and they are now expressing 31:54 what this is happening to their soul and to their lives 31:58 and the depth of their spiritual growth, 32:00 it's happening in a short week time of study and prayer 32:05 and intense--it's an intensive, it really is. It is, it is. 32:08 But it is life, literally, we use that old term a lot, 32:11 but it is literally life changing. 32:14 It is life changing-- 32:15 So you're in a life changing business, 32:17 so to say, ministry. 32:19 I'm just a tool, we all are. Yeah. 32:23 Oh, absolutely, but God is using you 32:26 and the information that you supply 32:29 to bring about this inspiration because, you know, 32:32 we have a little devotional time with everybody, 32:35 but the time that they spend with you 32:39 is the time that I feel impacts them more than anything else. 32:44 That's true. Yeah. 32:46 It's very important for a guide to love the Lord, 32:50 to understand the geography and the archeology 32:57 and all of the things about the areas, 33:01 so that he can share those particular things. 33:04 Yeah, and now you said very early 33:05 on when we met you, you were a Christian, 33:07 you talked about the church you went to, you did some things. 33:10 You give out massive amounts of information, 33:13 it's all in here, because you're not looking at a paper, 33:15 really, it's just coming from your head and from your heart. 33:18 So you really believe that what you're doing is ministry, 33:20 because I can hear that passion that it comes with 33:24 and it's coming from your heart. 33:25 You know this stuff, 33:27 you know the text, 33:28 you know the history. 33:29 Do you pray up before you go before a group 33:31 or are you looking to say something 33:33 or looking to change a heart or anything-- 33:35 No, well, do I pray? Yes. 33:37 But it just comes naturally to you. 33:40 I say, it's a gift. 33:43 Well, yeah, and I said it 33:44 and I say it beginning of every tour as a local question. Yes. 33:48 My philosophy with this is that the land is fifth gospel. 33:51 When you come and you see the land 33:53 and you see everything in the land, 33:55 geography, topography even animals and plants 33:57 and you talk to the people and you see the living stones, 34:00 it just makes it a lot more alive and lot more colorful 34:03 and that's what I try to concentrate on. Yes. 34:05 On these trips and I think it's been successful so far 34:08 So far, yes it has. 34:09 George, thank you so very, very much. 34:11 Well, thank you. 34:12 He is the tour guide of the red bus, 34:14 that's our bus. That's it. 34:15 And then, you know, he was calling "red bus!" 34:16 You know, time to come on back. 34:18 Yes. He is part of that. 34:19 All right, they were asking for us 34:22 to put that mike right over in front of our guest. 34:26 And you and I have to get closer together than we like. 34:31 But it's alright. 34:33 And now we have the guide of our blue bus 34:37 and I want you to introduce this guy, this is Yehuda. 34:42 This is Yehuda. Shalom. 34:43 And you are messianic Jew and that means he is Jewish 34:51 but he's accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior. 34:54 And tell us a little bit about-- 34:58 we've just visited with George 35:01 and he shared with us about his ministry 35:04 and what about how you feel about it as a ministry? 35:08 Well, I see again that it's not just a job, that it's really-- 35:16 guiding is really helping people and I'm so-- 35:21 I feel privileged to be with Maranatha Tours 35:26 which help to bring people that the hungry and thirst 35:30 for the word of God to get to know God 35:33 and there's no other place in the world 35:36 that you can find it. 35:37 I mean, just in this city where we're sitting now, 35:41 is the city of Jerusalem which is chosen by God 35:45 and people coming here to the land. 35:48 And again, they obviously heard of the places, 35:54 but there's nothing like reading the Bible 35:58 and being at the place where those things happened, 36:02 where miracles happened, where teaching, 36:05 those words were said at the place 36:08 and you're sitting and you're reading the word 36:10 and you actually look around, you see the place 36:14 and not only you get the perspective in the geography 36:18 but again, the scripture, the geography, 36:21 the land, the custom, you get know, 36:24 learn the custom of the people at the time, 36:27 what they used to dress, how they used to walk, 36:29 rather than driving a bus or a car. 36:32 And it's making then also personal, 36:38 to you yourself sitting at the place and thinking 36:43 how this word is gonna speak to me 36:46 and suddenly the words not only come alive, 36:49 but God speak to you. 36:51 Yes. Praise God. 36:52 And the good thing I say here is that 36:55 it doesn't you cost a lot because it's a local call 36:57 and you can call God and speak to Him directly. 37:01 Yeah. And you can hear him. 37:04 Yeah. I like that, I do. Well, that's great. 37:06 Yehuda, we heard part of your testimony. 37:08 You were a world class athlete, an Olympic class athlete. 37:13 George told us how he came in to be a tour guide. 37:16 How did that happen for you? Was it something you aspired to? 37:18 Kind of slipped into? How did you become a tour guide? 37:22 You know, we always want to call it tour guide ministry, 37:24 because we're seeing that, that it is a ministry, 37:26 but how did things happen? 37:27 I think even more for you than most people I've known. 37:29 So how did you come to that? 37:33 Well, first of all, love to meet people from all over the world. 37:39 And people come from all over the world 37:41 with all different languages, 37:43 they all come here to the land of the Bible 37:46 because they want to meet with God, 37:48 they want to hear Him 37:50 and they want to be able 37:52 to understand the life and the Bible. 37:56 And also for me, I wanted to help people 37:59 to not only just to take them from place to place, 38:03 but also to share the things that I've learned 38:08 when I was little, about the scripture. 38:12 Reading Isaiah 53, reading Jeremiah 31, 38:16 reading Micah 5:2 and so on. 38:19 And to be able to create some hunger in them, 38:27 so when they go home they can connect the dots 38:30 and they can say, "Wow. 38:34 I want to tell you what I've learned, what I've seen." 38:39 And then to share it with others, 38:41 so others can come because I think 38:44 that if something else that someone tell you, 38:47 you should come to the land of the Bible. 38:50 But it's so important to also be able to pray about it 38:55 and then come yourself and see 38:58 and experience for yourself. All right. 39:00 And for me to able to take people around, 39:04 to help them in all their needs and to share what I know 39:09 and to see them going home happy and safe 39:13 and so lively, that's what I really see the blessing. 39:21 Thank you, Yehuda. God bless you. Bless you. 39:23 I appreciate you coming and sharing with us. 39:25 I hope to come out again. All right-- 39:27 To see you all and meet you all. 39:28 Shalom. All right. 39:30 Well, listen, we've got one more guest that we want to talk to 39:33 and this is a man that I met over 30 years ago. 39:37 He is the man I mentioned a while ago 39:39 that changed my whole appreciation 39:42 for this part of the world because of the knowledge 39:45 that God had given him through his own study 39:48 and because of the way that he presents it. 39:52 Malcolm Cartier, we welcome you. 39:54 We're so glad to have you. 39:55 Shalom, shalom. Yes. 39:57 Or as the early Christians would say, 39:58 Shalom Maranatha. All right. 40:01 But you would know, the word was Maranatha, 40:03 1 Corinthians 15, "Our Lord comes." 40:06 So I'm saying what better way to travel than with Maranatha? 40:09 That's right, we want Him to come soon. 40:12 Malcolm has been my guide for over 20 trips 40:15 and he would be in one of them this year. 40:21 We had three last year on that trip, 40:24 these trips are expandable, 40:26 we can start with one bus we go to two buses, 40:28 three buses as they fill up. 40:30 So we have no limit 40:31 to how many people that we can take, 40:34 really, I guess there would be a limit 40:36 but I don't anticipate that that'll ever be a problem. 40:40 And reason I mention that 40:41 is someone just sent me an email, 40:43 said how many people can you bring? 40:46 And so the important thing is that we organize these trips 40:53 so that they are spiritual, so that they are informative 40:58 and so that they're interesting 41:00 and we have a very wonderful time of fellowship together. 41:03 But-- So we got together about 30 years ago 41:07 and you really helped me in my understanding of the word, 41:12 and as we studied the fifth Gospel. 41:16 But you had surgery this past year 41:19 and you have had cancer surgery, 41:23 things are going well because I know a lot of people 41:26 that are watching have been over here with you. 41:28 And you probably have guided 41:30 more Seventh-day Adventists than any guide alive 41:35 and we have a large Seventh-day Adventist world, 41:38 I believe that, really. 41:40 And we had the largest viewing audience 41:44 of Seventh-day Adventists in our denomination. 41:46 So we believe that a lot of them are watching. 41:48 In fact, if you want to tell Malcolm hello, 41:51 just send me a message. jim.gilley@3abn.org 41:56 and we'll get it to him. Thank you. 41:58 But, Malcolm, you've got a wonderful family, 42:01 I know them, how many children? 42:03 I have three children. And how many grandchildren? 42:05 We got two grandchildren at the moment. All right. 42:08 My youngest I haven't yet seen. All right. 42:11 I would like to hold him for his circumcision, 42:14 but unfortunately at that time I was in hospital 42:16 and unable to do so. 42:17 Okay, so you had to do it by skype. 42:20 So we had to do it by skype. 42:21 Yes, this is the modern world we live in. 42:23 That's right, right. 42:25 Well, tell us a little bit now, 42:27 you really feel that when you present the word, 42:31 you are helping people have a deeper spiritual experience? 42:35 Most definitely, yes. 42:36 I think it was Paul that said, 42:38 "It is insufficient to tell, you have give up your self." 42:41 We all have to give up ourselves. 42:44 And here when people come to the Promised Land 42:46 which is the geo-political historical center 42:49 of where it all happened. 42:51 This is the navel of the world, 42:52 this is the link of the world together. 42:55 Europe, Asia, Africa, we're that keystone, 42:59 we have to survive. 43:01 The world collapses otherwise. 43:03 Certainly by the way of faith. 43:05 So I think, yes, it is important that they should come, 43:08 they should see, they should understand, 43:10 we are a mosaic of people today, 43:12 whether be by color or creed, religion, vegetation even. 43:17 This is the link. 43:20 And by showing people, where they see much more 43:23 than they can see anywhere in the world, it's all here. 43:28 There's something for everyone in this tiny piece of land. 43:33 I'm not surprised God chose it. 43:34 No. I'm really not. 43:37 But here they can fully understand 43:40 what they are seeing, what are they reading. 43:42 It's not just words on a page, it suddenly becomes alive, 43:47 the Bible lives through that. 43:50 And I think by the guides and the work that they do, 43:54 they're expressing themselves, 43:56 but they're expressing God's work too. Yeah. 43:59 And that is the importance of being here. 44:02 To see, to smell, to touch, to taste, to feel everything 44:06 and make that Bible come alive in their own lives today. 44:09 And that cannot be done anywhere else in the world. 44:13 You know, when you talk about being the center, 44:15 I mentioned this earlier. 44:17 I think you probably could explain it much better than I, 44:19 but it is geographically located 44:24 between Africa and Europe and Asia, right. 44:30 So whether it's in Europe, Asia and Africa, 44:32 Shem, Ham and Japheth. Yeah. 44:34 It's all starting here. From here it spreads out. 44:37 Out of Jerusalem goes the word of the Lord. 44:40 Okay. Out of Jerusalem, out of Zion. 44:43 So what better place than come back to Zion 44:45 to understand the call of where the message came out from. 44:50 And if we look at Jerusalem today, 44:52 we can go back to the days even to the Canaanites, 44:56 if we look at Jerusalem like a man lying on his back 44:58 from the pool of Siloam down by his feet 45:02 which is incidentally is where Jesus cures the blind man. 45:06 Interesting enough that this is how it rises up 45:08 through the city of David that made this the Messianic city, 45:12 the city for all peoples to come and to hear 45:15 about the coming of the Messiah. 45:17 But in order to attack it, 45:18 and he attacked as a military man 45:21 which forbade him to build the temple. 45:23 But when he came and took Jerusalem, 45:25 he said go up the shaft killing the lame and the blind. 45:29 I find that very interesting 45:32 because out of that messianic line came Jesus 45:35 and who does he cure in Jerusalem? 45:37 Only two miracles, the lame and the blind. Wow. 45:42 But to understand that, to understand the connection, 45:44 the inter-relationship between the Old and the New Testament 45:48 coming off from David to Solomon building the temple 45:51 to the Antonia Fortress and finally at the head, 45:54 the Garden Tomb, the sight of Calvary. 45:58 An empty tomb set in the garden. 46:01 You feel, you experience. 46:03 You're quite right, it's not another trip, 46:06 it's not going on a cruise and relaxing, 46:09 or seeing grass skirts or seeing some unusual animal. Right. 46:15 But you will go home, 46:18 your life certainly will be changed. 46:19 I've been to America, 46:21 I have traveled much of America, 46:22 I've been to many different churches 46:25 and I've seen ministries of ministers turned around. 46:29 It's no long that old gospel explanation again. 46:33 It wasn't out there, 46:35 somewhere in that mystical land in Gethsemane, 46:38 but when I was in Gethsemane, when I stood by Calvary, 46:43 when I sailed the Sea of Galilee when I walk through Caesarea, 46:49 and saw that trial of Paul, 46:51 could you have stood up like Paul? You experience. 46:56 And there's nothing that can compensate that experience, 47:00 other and being here seeing, understanding, 47:04 tasting, smelling. 47:07 And this county will be a country of the meeting 47:09 of the east and the west. 47:12 "They will be my people, I will be their God 47:14 in faithfulness and righteousness" 47:15 in Zechariah Chapter 8. Here it all comes together. 47:21 So then, answer this question for me, 47:23 Malcolm, if you will. 47:25 If someone wanted to say to you, finish this sentence. 47:28 "As a tour guide who has a body of knowledge and the country, 47:34 the land being the fifth gospel," 47:36 and I didn't understand that till I got here 47:37 and that has been drilled into our heads, 47:39 but also explain to us in a way that you have to accept it. 47:43 You say, "my job as a tour guide and as a preacher is to do 47:51 what to those people who you have listening to you 47:55 for five, seven, eight, ten days 47:57 when I'm done I want them to be aware and knowing what?" 48:01 I think when I'm done, they have just begun. 48:04 I think when I'm done and that word becomes alive 48:07 and they have seen the place, they have touched it, 48:10 they have seen those flowers and they have tasted that food. 48:13 It suddenly has a new experience within their head. 48:16 When they end up in Calvary and take communion, 48:21 they have finished that physical journey, 48:24 they have just begun their spiritual journey. 48:27 They have suddenly understood, 48:29 "Why do I believe, why do I accept? 48:34 I have been in the footsteps of those sages, 48:36 I've walked in the footsteps of Jesus, 48:39 I've seen the very stones that He saw." 48:42 And many people say to me, and yes, 48:44 but when I get to Jerusalem 48:46 I'm going to see this big large modern buildings. 48:49 You think Jesus saw a bunch of antiquities? 48:52 No. He saw big numbers. 48:55 But He saw the most glorious temple 48:57 that had ever been built by man anywhere in the world. 49:00 He who did not see the temple of Herod the great 49:03 had never seen beauty. 49:05 But if you want to see beauty, 49:06 you want to understand that beauty, 49:08 you want to feel and experience that beauty, 49:11 then come and do that, do exactly that. 49:15 So I think by the end of my journey, 49:17 I have given them sufficient knowledge, 49:19 sufficient understanding that when they go home, 49:23 they will never read their Bibles the same. 49:25 They will read as an experience, "Oh, I remember. 49:30 Ah, I got that train of thought. 49:33 I see it in a totally different light." 49:38 And on the first trip, what can I say? 49:40 Very often, it's overwhelming. We've heard that this evening. 49:44 The second trip, it wasn't all brand new, 49:47 I began to understand, but that really comes in the third trip. 49:54 Now I really understand 49:56 and I think if I ask Pastor Jim here after 30 times-- 50:01 Twenty two. When the first time-- 50:02 Twenty two times, but I'm praying for 23. 50:06 He is praying for 23. Yeah. 50:09 It just rejuvenates me spiritually and just renews 50:15 and I learn so much more every time I come. 50:19 And even going to the same sites even when I have-- 50:22 and we always throw in different sites, 50:23 but even when I go to the same sites, 50:27 I find out new information that I never knew before. 50:31 We learn new information. Yeah. 50:33 A guide, as a pastor grows in his ministry. 50:36 Yeah, you're not telling me 50:38 the same thing you did 30 years ago. 50:39 No, certainly not. No. 50:41 Look at what we have already found. Yeah. 50:43 People that have been here 20, 30 times 50:46 and there's always something new to show them. 50:48 Yeah, yeah. And it's still the same place. 50:51 You know, Beit She'an we were out there 50:53 and I remember in the 70s my first trip here, 50:58 well, it was before I met you. 51:00 All they had was just one little gate there 51:02 and then I come back 51:04 and all of this excavation has been done. 51:06 It's all here. It's amazing. 51:08 And this is not the only place, there are several places. 51:12 Chorazin the work has been done there. Absolutely. 51:15 And all the other places that you are able to really see 51:19 and these are places that were important to Jesus. 51:22 We look at those three spots up there 51:25 particularly where He taught so much Capernaum, 51:29 Chorazin and what's the third one? 51:33 Capernaum, Chorazin, Bethsaida. 51:35 Yeah, Bethsaida, okay. 51:37 But we find that these are the towns 51:40 where Jesus taught more than any other place. 51:43 And He says "Woe unto you," 51:45 because this will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah 51:49 and in the end, it will be for you 51:51 because you've had such an opportunity to hear the gospel. 51:56 Yeah, you can hear the gospel in the same place 51:59 where that same teaching took place. 52:01 Right, exactly. 52:04 But do you begin to understand what he was saying to them 52:07 and the proximity of where He was going 52:11 and giving this message. 52:14 Wow, let's say, it is exciting, yeah. 52:17 Malcolm, I just want to ask you a question before we go 52:19 because you've been through a tough physical bout, 52:22 healthwise this year and yet there's still this joy, 52:24 there's excitement in you. 52:26 That has not dimmed, we can feel it coming from you. 52:28 Let me ask you one of those big high console questions 52:30 we ask every now and again. 52:32 What, When a tour's over, 52:34 what's the best thing a person can say to you, 52:36 make you go home at night and sleep well? 52:38 To know you've done your job? 52:40 I remember a number of years ago, 52:42 I had a group with Pastor Jim. 52:45 And there was two gentlemen 52:46 that were traveling together around the world. 52:49 And they came on the trip here to the Holy Land 52:53 and one of them at the end of the trip came up to me 52:56 and he asked me a question. 52:58 He said, Malcolm, I traveled many, many places, 53:03 I never even had in my wildest dreams 53:05 to come to the Promised Land, 53:07 but my friend wanted to come and I came with him. 53:11 And my last question to you before I go home. 53:14 Where do I start learning, what do I start reading? 53:20 That Bible is the best guide book 53:23 and when you have been here and seen it, 53:25 they go home and they say, 53:28 "I need to know more, it is now a part of my life." 53:34 Creates that hunger. 53:36 It creates that hunger, that thirst which then grows. 53:40 All we can do is sow the seed. 53:43 What you do with the seed is up to you. 53:45 That's right. Absolutely. Wow. 53:49 Well, thanks so much for coming in 53:52 and sharing with us, Malcolm. 53:56 You're one of my great friends. 53:57 You've got a lot of friends 53:59 and I know that Greg Riley is your closest friend 54:02 and Greg is a wonderful man, 54:06 he's been a very faithful friend to you and all of us. Yes. 54:11 And beyond that, you have hundreds of friends, 54:15 probably may be even beyond that. 54:17 And I'm just glad to be numbered as one of those, 54:20 I want you to know that. 54:21 Well, I look forward to being very, very close friends. 54:24 God bless you. We're down to the last 30 seconds now. 54:27 Yeah, stay with us till the end, 54:29 you don't need to go. Sit with us. 54:30 Well, listen, why don't you take us out? 54:32 Well, it's been a wonderful 54:34 exciting time for us just being here, 54:36 just experiencing what God has for us in this land 54:39 and being in the places that we've read about 54:42 and heard about as Malcolm had said so eloquently. 54:44 It's been a great blessing. 54:46 Our job here at Night Light is to bring you the truth 54:48 about what's happening in the world today 54:50 and, Jim, this has been an exciting time, has it not? 54:53 It really has. Yeah. 54:54 And we can tell from the response 54:56 that you appreciate it. God bless you. |
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