Participants: C.A. Murray (Host), Jim Gilley (Host), Doug Batchelor, Jim Marcum, Steven Ruf
Series Code: NLLB
Program Code: NLLB012703
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00:08 We are back on the campus
00:10 of Southern Adventist University here in Collegedale, Tennessee. 00:15 I just want to say Ooltewah 00:17 but it's not Ooltewah, you're technically in Collegedale. 00:19 Well, that's right. We're in city limits of Collegedale. 00:21 And it's--they call it, the locals here say Ooltewah. 00:23 Ooltewah. Ooltewah. Okay. 00:26 It's Cherokee for owls nest. 00:27 Oh, is that so? That's right. 00:30 Professor Steven Ruf is with us 00:33 and we've been talking about just a number of things. 00:35 Why I wanted to get to you 00:38 knowing how aggressively secular media can be. Right. 00:44 Is it easier--are you hearing any kind of stories 00:47 anecdotally otherwise when you send these young people 00:50 out into media, news, entertainment, 00:53 are they able to carry their faith with them 00:56 and sort of stand up for Christ in an arena 01:00 that questions everything? Exactly. Yeah. 01:02 And the newsroom can be--Yes. 01:04 A very secular place, you know, with the language and some 01:07 of the values--we talk about that, you know, in our classes, 01:10 we--you know, I've had personal experience 01:13 being in that position as a practicing Adventist 01:16 and sharing my faith in the workplace 01:19 and dealing with issues of Sabbath and others. 01:21 And we say, you know, you can't hide this under a bush. 01:25 Yes, yes. You know, you're gonna be-- 01:27 there's gonna come a time and a place. 01:28 Even really, even before you're hired, those discussions 01:31 need to be happening with an employer. 01:34 But yes, we hear back from our students 01:37 and it is a challenge for some of them, not all. 01:41 But we try our best to prepare them for that moment 01:44 and to encourage them and we invite some of our alumni 01:47 who are in those situations to come back to the classroom, 01:51 to inspire our students and say, listen, we need--there's a need 01:55 for a witness in those, those very influential rooms, 01:59 those newsrooms where, you know, the affecting 02:01 broadcast going all over the world. 02:03 We need to have our people of faith in those situations. 02:08 Pen this hereby and this is gonna put you on the spot. 02:10 It's all right. 02:12 In talking with one of our Adventist newspersons, 02:14 they went into their job with a clear understanding 02:19 that Sabbath, they were gonna be off. 02:22 But there came a new story, I don't recall what it was, 02:25 it was either kidnapping or something ongoing. All right. 02:28 And because of the brevity of the story 02:32 and its late breaking, you know, the aspect that things 02:37 were happening all the time, it was a story 02:38 that was of great importance to the family, 02:40 they chose on that particular weekend 02:42 to stay through with the story. 02:44 They had been the face of the story, 02:46 they had covered the story, they had done the onsite stuff. 02:48 So the person said because of this particular kind of story 02:53 and the impact they had on the community "I chose to stay." 02:56 Now later on, they said that the other people 02:59 in the newsroom who knew I was Adventist 03:02 really lauded me for that, in fact, 03:05 it was the means of having some other people say, 03:07 "You know, I want to know a little bit more about 03:09 your faith" because I saw in you a human person, 03:12 not just a person who preached dogma--Yeah. 03:15 But who lived out their faith in real life in real time. 03:19 Respond to that if you will. 03:20 Every situation is different and as much as we can predict 03:24 or want to make proclamations, I think every situation 03:28 has to be, you know, you look at it on its own merits. 03:30 And personally, I can just speak for myself. 03:35 It was my policy with my employer that, you know, 03:39 when we came sundown Friday that I was off the beat, 03:43 you know, I wasn't gonna be reporting. 03:45 But there was times and typically 03:47 this was when there was a severe weather event like a tornado, 03:51 a catastrophic weather event that had come through, 03:53 where was it, we were in the middle of and there was, 03:56 you know, issues of life and death going on 03:58 and the media needed to be out there informing 04:00 people what was going on. 04:02 You know, I called the news director and said I'm there. 04:05 Yeah. I'm not there on the clock, 04:07 I'm just there to do my job, to help the community. 04:10 You know, lot of people don't realize that the day 04:14 that Desmond Doss saved all those people was on the Sabbath. 04:19 And Desmond Doss was very true to God 04:23 and always kept the Sabbath. 04:26 But when there was an emergency situation, 04:30 then it wasn't just training or something, 04:33 they needed him. 04:35 He had prayer first, had little time, he said, 04:38 and then he went out and went in to duty. 04:42 And I think that God honors that kind of thing. 04:46 If you look back there are situations where--if you look 04:52 at the battle of Jericho, the Lord actually had them 04:55 on the Sabbath, they weren't seven days, 04:58 there's no way you can do seven without 05:00 one of them being the Sabbath-- Right. 05:02 And--but he had them during it and so there are emergencies. 05:08 Yes. Not just normal duty, but you take something 05:11 like a hurricane where news people are saving lives-- 05:15 Yeah. Yeah. And helping. Yeah. It's certainly-- 05:18 It's important and I ask you that question 05:19 because it occurs to me that you are preparing students 05:22 for the real world and to take Christ in the real world. 05:25 I remember years ago in New York City, 05:26 we had this horrific snowstorm on a Friday night in to Sabbath. 05:30 Some Adventists went in to help who were working 05:32 with sanitation and cleaning streets and others did not. 05:36 And I remember when we went down to deal with the commissioner, 05:40 he asked this question, he said, "If it snows on Friday night, 05:44 will you shovel your walks in front of your church, 05:46 so folk can get it on Saturday morning?" 05:48 That's right. And they said, "Yeah, we would." 05:50 Same with the city of New York, the city was locked down. 05:53 We had to have those streets clear for fire, for safety, 05:55 for ambulance, for hospitals and there are times 05:58 when you've got to put legs on your faith 06:00 and make it very, very-- and people will see that. 06:03 And I think they will appreciate that. 06:05 We saw something few years ago, we had inline 06:09 hurricane that came through our neighborhood. 06:12 It hit on Sabbath. Yeah. 06:15 And I know Danny Shelton, there were people 06:18 who had things across their house, 06:20 across their lawn, they couldn't get out. 06:22 Danny grabbed a--Chainsaw. 06:25 Chainsaw and he was out there cutting right along 06:28 with the rest of those who were trying to help 06:30 alleviate the pain and suffering in that community. 06:34 Yes. And so the Lord wants us to use 06:38 our judgment in these things. 06:39 Let me just say one last thing though about 06:41 the secular newsroom, there are people of other faith there. 06:46 And lot of people don't think about this but as an Adventist, 06:50 I discovered a good Baptist, you know, 06:52 who was in the newsroom. 06:53 And, you know, we would get together 06:55 and maybe in the break room and just share our faith 07:00 with each other and others came into that group 07:03 and that was inspiring, you know, 07:06 to be able to share like that. Yeah, yeah. 07:08 I think the ability to train, to take Jesus wherever you go 07:12 and I'm very, very happy to hear from you, from a president 07:15 that you are giving them the three hours, 07:19 but also giving them Jesus 07:21 in whom we live, move and have our being. 07:23 So thank you so very, very much for what you do. Yeah. 07:25 We really appreciate what you're doing. 07:27 Thank you very much and we will look forward 07:29 to future partnerships and sending some 07:31 of our graduates up your way or interns your way. Great. 07:34 We appreciate you letting them have that opportunity. 07:36 Thank you so much. Yes. Bless you. 07:38 Well, listen, we do want to send this to you, 07:41 "I keep about your work." 07:42 I'm gonna read one more paragraph 07:43 while we're bringing on our next guest. 07:45 But he has not sent you to make money. 07:49 A lot of times people think he has but he hasn't. 07:51 He's not commanded you to get rich. 07:53 He has never bidden you defend your character. 07:56 He has not set you at work to contradict falsehood 07:59 which Satan and his servants may start to peddle. 08:02 If you do these things, you will do nothing else. 08:06 You will be at work for yourself and not for the Lord. 08:09 So if you want a copy of this and the full thing 08:13 we'll eventually read it to you. 08:15 Just call us at 618-627-4651. 08:20 Ask them to send you this-- which is beautiful, 08:24 it's on really good parchment type paper. 08:27 It says "Keep about your work." 08:30 And it is suitable for framing. 08:33 I have one framed, in fact, we copied mine but actually 08:38 they reset the type and did a better job 08:40 than the copy I have. 08:41 So I'm gonna frame one of these. 08:43 I'm gonna frame this also, I'll take this very seriously. 08:45 Yeah. You know, this one line and Jim Marcum is coming up. 08:48 We better have him come on up. Well, look at this line, 08:50 "He has not bidden you to defend your character." No. 08:52 You know, how automatically when your character 08:54 is assaulted, you're gonna defend yourself, man. 08:56 Exactly. You know, you're gonna do whatever 08:57 you can to clear your name. Yeah. 08:59 But if you make that your life's work, 09:01 that's all you'll ever do-- That's all. 09:03 Is defend your character. 09:04 Let Christ stand up for you and work through you. 09:07 This is great, great information--It is. 09:09 And great inspiration. It is. It really is. 09:11 And you need to read it often. 09:13 Yeah. Dr. Jim Marcum, we welcome you. 09:15 We're glad you're with us. 09:16 You know, when we were coming to this air, we said, 09:19 "Yeah, we're in, we're in Jim Marcum's diocese here." 09:21 That's right. So good to have you here, man. Good to see you. 09:23 Well, it's great to be here and this is home 09:25 and we're glad it was such a great day for you guys. 09:28 Oh, beautiful. And I know it's been a long day, 09:29 so I'm gonna sort of give you some energy here. 09:32 Good. And we will get things going here. 09:34 Things are kind of bogging down. 09:35 No, no, no, no. No, no. It's a second wind. 09:38 Yeah, indeed. Things kind of picked up 09:40 when I spilled a bottle of water a few minutes ago and I'm-- 09:43 Well, you know-- I tell you. 09:44 You recovered pretty well. 09:45 Well, it's--I hope it wasn't too obvious 09:48 but they took the band off the bottle 09:52 because they want to advertise. 09:54 But that weakens those bottles and I had already drunk half 09:57 of it and when I reached that and grab it, 09:58 it collapsed on me. And-- 10:01 I just thought that was the power of your hands. 10:02 Oh, yeah, right. 10:04 I thought Jim was washing my socks-- 10:06 I tell you he thought we're having 10:08 a foot washing service here and C.A. get in. 10:11 But we--anyway they came out and helped me. Yeah. 10:15 Michael came out. Michael, thank you and Sheryl 10:19 for bringing out some towels 10:20 so we could kind of mop things up here. 10:22 Speaking of ultimate prescription. Yeah. Okay. 10:27 And we've got the ultimate purpose 10:29 and the ultimate prescription. Indeed, yeah. 10:30 You know, it's a great word and everyone is using it, 10:33 you know, ultimate, it's something 10:34 we all want to reach the ultimate. Yeah. 10:37 We're all looking for that. Yeah. All right. 10:38 Give us an update when last you were with us-- Yeah. 10:40 That the program was just starting, the book was out-- 10:42 Yes. Things are moving. You're going, you're being syndicated. 10:44 I've seen the program on a couple of cable 10:46 channels out by us. Yeah. 10:48 So things seem to be going pretty good. 10:49 The program is doing well and we record 10:52 certain number at 3ABN every year. 10:54 And the next set we're schedule to make in March. 10:57 And we're gonna talk about the next 13 programs. 10:59 We're gonna do on alternative, you know, showing people 11:02 the right place to use alternative medicines. Yeah. 11:05 The place to use modern medicine. 11:07 Right. And the place to use spiritual medicine. 11:09 Okay. You know, it really is a balance. 11:11 Yes. And we have to know what that balance is. 11:14 And also lead people to that relationship, 11:16 that saving relationship with Christ 11:19 that sort of gives us the power to do things 11:21 and know where to go. Yes, yeah. So, the program is done well. 11:23 In fact, starting in January on 3ABN, 11:27 we just signed a contract with 3ABN 11:29 to do a live calling program. Okay. 11:32 It's called "Heart of Health Life." Yes. 11:34 And 3ABN viewers from all over the world 11:37 will be able to ask our specialist each week 11:41 whatever question they want to ask them. 11:43 So one week we might have 11:45 a specialist in obstetrics/gynecology. 11:47 The next week we might have an urologist or plastic surgeon-- 11:50 That's exciting. The cardiothoracic surgeon. Yes. 11:51 And they can get good medical advice 11:53 and we'll try to keep it balanced you know, 11:55 so the place where modern medicine is needed, 11:58 the place where lifestyle changes is needed 12:00 but we'll always lead people first 12:02 to that saving relationship, so no matter what happens. 12:05 Yeah. We have that ultimate prescription 12:07 which is that relationship, that saving relationship 12:09 with out Lord and Savior. 12:11 You know that is a very timely and excellent series 12:13 of subjects to deal into, there are those in the church, 12:16 out of church who only believe in 12:18 sort of what we call alternative medicine. 12:20 Naturopathic medicine and of course it has its place. 12:23 Yes. But there are times and even Naturopathic doctors 12:26 will tell you, there are times when you need to go 12:28 under the knife or-- and I did both-- Right. 12:30 With mine, I went to Eden Valley 12:33 and we did the lifestyle changes 12:34 and I think it bought me time. Oh, yeah. 12:36 I really do. I think it helped knock down 12:38 the aggressiveness of the cancer, 12:39 but there came a time when the doctor said, 12:40 "It's still there. 12:42 It is growing slowly but it is growing, 12:43 we need to deal with this." 12:45 so we moved into traditional medicine. Right. 12:47 And I think using a wise combination 12:49 of both with prayer and under the power 12:52 of the Holy Spirit is wisdom. Exactly. 12:54 Yeah. And you know, when people do that and they reach out 12:57 in prayer, their relationship will be stronger. 12:59 And they will grow closer to God. 13:01 And no matter what happens on this sinful earth 13:04 with our bad genetics, we're assured 13:06 of healing at some point. Yeah. 13:09 You know, sometimes God heals right away. 13:11 I've seen that. I actually saw that this week in my practice. 13:13 Praise God. Someone was healed just like that. 13:15 We see people that are healed through God, 13:18 given them the power to change lifestyles. Yeah. 13:20 And not everyone's perfect. 13:21 You know, we try to love people and not judge people. 13:25 And bring them in, you know, bring into that relationship 13:27 and God changes them. 13:29 And we also know they He helps us to a better lifestyle, 13:33 but no matter what we're imperfect people. Yes. 13:35 And he promises to heal us all, 13:37 that walk with Him at some point. 13:39 And that's the message we want to get out. 13:41 That's the healing message that draws people 13:43 to that relationship where they grow 13:45 and they learn more about their savior. 13:47 Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know sometimes 13:50 we get the idea that we're gonna live forever, 13:52 we are but not on this earth. That's right. 13:54 And I know I was at one of our lifestyle centers 13:58 once and ministering there and someone died. 14:03 And it just--it blew them away. 14:06 Because they said, he was following all the principles. 14:09 And I said, "Look, that's great, that's wonderful, 14:12 but that does not guarantee us 14:15 that you are gonna live forever." 14:17 And we don't even know the lifespan of an individual. 14:21 I've seen people who lived an extremely careful 14:25 and healthy life and not make it to 60. Yeah. 14:28 And I've seen people that didn't live the way 14:30 they probably should and made it to 100. 14:32 But that is something you just don't--it's not a predictor. 14:38 We just had Gordon Bietz and he said, 14:42 "His dad lived to be 99, he thinks he has good genes." 14:45 But I didn't want to press him too much but I'm telling you 14:50 that I've seen people who lived to be 90, 14:53 whose children didn't live even to be 70. So--Yeah. 14:57 And we want, you know, our message-- You don't know. 14:59 We want to let people know that we would rather 15:01 live one year walking with God 15:03 than 90 years without Him. Yes. 15:05 Exactly. Yes, yes, yes. 15:06 And that's a great message, right. Yeah, it is. 15:08 Yeah. And with all of our gusto, with all of our life 15:11 that He gives us, we want to lay it all on the line for Him 15:13 everyday because we're coming down to perilous times. 15:16 No doubt about it. Yes. That's right. 15:17 And we've a message to do and we've even told 15:19 that the health message will continue to move forward. 15:23 Yes. That's right. And that's what we're seeing. 15:24 People are very interested in their health. 15:26 And I'm surprised by the questions I get about 15:30 how misinformed people are about all sorts of things. 15:33 Right. Now the 3ABN audience does very good. 15:35 Yes. But other people are really--Yeah. 15:37 Shall I say, clueless? Yes. Yeah. 15:39 Through their bodies and how they should feel 15:41 and all these things and one thing 15:43 that we've been learning recently is you know, 15:46 everyone knows, you know, what makes up health. 15:47 You know, your genetics-- Sure. 15:49 They say it makes about 20%, 15:50 the food you eat, that's very helpful. 15:53 The bad food helps, you know, 15:55 I mean the bad food hurts, the good food helps. Yeah. 15:58 We also have our movement or exercise, our rest patterns, 16:01 but a large component of our health 16:03 we're just now learning is coming from our brain. Yeah. 16:07 Wow. Did you know, there are some studies out there right now 16:10 from the University of Pennsylvania that shows 16:12 the people that watch violent TV or sees violence over and over 16:16 that's as dangerous as smoking a pack of cigarettes. Wow. 16:19 So, you can help yourself a lot health wise 16:21 by having a good laugh, by being happy. Amen. 16:24 By not living in fear. Right. 16:27 You know, so there's a balance. Yes. 16:28 And you know, and I had a guy that came 16:31 in the other day, you know, he was all stressed out 16:33 about some of the food he was eating. 16:35 You know, he'd had his bypass surgery. Right. 16:37 I said, "Listen, you know, you get most of the benefits by, 16:39 you know, try not to eat big at night, 16:41 eating fresh fruits and vegetables, 16:43 and drink enough water." 16:45 I said, sometimes this fear and this negativity 16:48 that you get by not eating what you want, 16:50 sometimes it's better just to have a little happy food, 16:52 but as little as you can to be happy. Right. 16:55 Because they're walking on around, all angry and mad 16:57 because you can't have, you know, this or that. 16:59 Sometimes that's not good either. Yeah. 17:01 And let the Lord take you there in His time. 17:03 So we're learning that the mind, 17:05 the mind has a very powerful role in healing. Right. 17:09 Both short term and permanently. Yeah. 17:12 And just think what does the devil want to control now? 17:15 He tries to control our minds. Exactly. 17:17 Through all sort--you look at the media out there 17:19 and all that computers and cell phones and games out there. 17:22 All that stuff that's going into our mind, it actually damages 17:25 the stress part of our mind. 17:27 You know, it damages it and turns it on 17:30 and we make all these stress chemicals 17:31 that get all over our bodies. 17:33 So really, there's a lot to be said by treating the mind too. 17:36 Yeah. Yeah. You know, its interesting Jim 17:38 that Irma and I were walking through the story the other day. 17:41 Looking at some of the stuff that most of the games now, 17:44 the Xbox stuff and they're all violent. 17:46 Oh, yeah. I mean, its all violence, shooting 17:49 and blowing up, and bombs and guns. 17:50 So children, young people, teenagers, 17:53 young adults are been fed this steady diet 17:55 of absolute violence. 17:58 If you have an attack or someone said something that bothers you, 18:01 your redress is to punch him or hit him 18:05 or blow him up or shoot him or do something. 18:06 It's violence, begetting violence, begetting-- 18:09 so we're raising a generation of people 18:10 who know nothing but-- if somebody does something 18:13 you don't like, attack him because 18:14 that's how you solve your problems. 18:16 And that's how they're programmed. Yeah. 18:17 And it's scary. So that's why I'm glad 18:19 that we're creating programming to deal with our youngsters 18:22 that are growing up, it's the next generation. 18:24 That is really unfair for them when you see 18:26 what they put in their minds, 18:28 how they can ever function and do well. 18:29 And we wonder why they're sick at young ages 18:32 and have all these diseases. 18:33 I am seeing patients in my office 18:35 that are having bypass surgeries in their 30s and 40s now. Wow. 18:39 Wow. 30s and 40s now because of all the stress. 18:42 Anything that we do, that sort of lives contrary 18:45 to God's plan, puts stress on our bodies. 18:48 And that stress over prolonged period of time causes 18:51 these chemical reactions, it turns on 18:53 bad genetics and damages us. 18:54 The brain is a big part of it. 18:56 Yes, yes, yes. Wow. 18:58 You wouldn't think that stress has that-- 19:00 I think that's may be kind of a new area of study--Yes. 19:03 That stress more than putting weight on you, 19:05 shorting your lifestyle. 19:08 Every time I talk to you I hear a stress is this hidden devil 19:11 that's doing so much damage to our bodies. 19:13 Well, you know we talked about brain stress 19:15 but think about things fear, that's a stressor 19:18 we weren't made to live with. No. 19:20 Being selfish, we weren't made to be selfish. 19:23 Wow. We were made to have 19:24 a relationship with your creator. 19:26 And when we do these things, it helps our chemistry. 19:29 You know, when I love you up or when I serve you, 19:32 when I worship, that makes good things 19:35 chemically happen in my body. Wow. 19:37 Yeah. And when I don't do the good things, 19:38 that makes bad things happen in my body. Yeah. 19:41 Isn't that interesting you know. 19:43 Yeah, it is. Yeah, I got to ask you real quick, man, 19:44 because when you were with us at 3ABN some months ago, 19:48 we realized that your calling, one of your callings 19:51 you've several, was to take this message to a wider audience, 19:54 sort of out of the Adventist bubble. Yes. 19:56 And to an audience really that is skeptical 19:58 or doesn't know the Lord 19:59 or has a partial relationship with the Lord. 20:00 But you were called to take this message out. 20:03 What has been their response 20:04 and you know, how you've been receive? 20:06 Well, a couple things that's helped me is one is that 20:09 I have had publishers of my books, one is Tyndale. 20:13 And they are very well accepted across lines. 20:15 They always challenge you with is this scientific? 20:18 But luckily, now we having science 20:21 that proves everything that God says is true. Oh, yeah. 20:23 We've studies that show that 20:25 people that rest better, feel better. 20:27 People that serve each other, fight infections better. 20:30 People that laugh, do better. 20:32 People that have love in their life, 20:34 conversely people that don't do 20:36 those things have negative chemistry. 20:38 We've proven that. 20:39 Next year, I'm coming out with a book 20:41 that's probably gonna get me in a little bit of trouble 20:44 and I'll preview it here first tonight. 20:46 It's called "Medicines that Kill." Yeah. 20:50 And in that book-- it's gonna be released 20:52 in February by Tyndale, nationwide. 20:54 And in that book for the first time ever 20:57 I detailed how medications at all levels, 21:01 their mistakes, how people take them, 21:03 their allergic reaction is the number one killer 21:06 in America right now. Wow. 21:08 I don't know if people are gonna be ready to hear that. 21:10 And that there's a very important place for medicines, 21:13 but they have to be used correctly. 21:15 Michael Jackson, Heath Ledger, Whitney Houston 21:19 all the people that don't take their medicines correctly 21:21 that have allergic reactions that on many medicines 21:25 that just numb their senses and they have car accidents. 21:28 The medicines that hurt babies. 21:30 All of those are gonna be revealed in this book. 21:32 But it's a great way, 21:33 not only do I reveal the problem, 21:35 but in the second half of the book 21:36 we talk about the solutions. 21:38 Amen. How to get off medicines. 21:40 The place for them. 21:41 And I think this is another way 21:42 to get people interested in the biblical plan 21:45 that how God wants to heal us ultimately. 21:48 Wow. Well, that's gonna be a real interesting book. 21:51 And I think that you will have some-- 21:55 there will be controversy. Yes. 21:56 And sometimes a little bit of controversy 21:58 gets people thinking. 22:00 Yeah. You know. Right. 22:01 250 years ago, if you didn't put a leach on somebody 22:04 for an infection, you were considered a bad doctor. 22:06 Right. Yes. 22:08 In the 30s, if you didn't prescribe cigarettes for asthma, 22:10 you were bad doctor. Right. 22:12 When they look back on this stage of history, 22:15 they're gonna say, "What were these guys thinking?" 22:17 Yeah, Just like we did years ago. Yeah. 22:19 And the only real truth 22:21 that I can find out there is this Bible. 22:24 This Bible, that leads us 22:26 to what we should be doing and what we shouldn't. 22:27 And I think modern medicine is great for acute problems. 22:31 Right. It's a great place to start. 22:32 But now things have got out of control a little bit. 22:35 And now I'm trying to guide people back into that balance. 22:38 And it gets out of control both ways. Yes, yes, yes, yes. 22:40 How does the medical field relate to that type of concept? 22:45 Your fellow doctors, 22:46 say in the practice where you are. 22:48 Well, you know, luckily for me, 22:49 luckily for me I can back up what I say with science. 22:53 Praise God. Okay. 22:54 And when you can back it up with science 22:56 and good patient results, good outcomes-- 22:59 Right. This has proven itself it works. 23:01 Okay. So, so far it's been okay. Okay. 23:04 But occasionally someone will say, 23:07 "Well, how does-- how does being happy, you know, 23:10 how does being happy lower my blood pressure?" 23:12 Yeah. You know or how can this happen? 23:14 Or how can if I have a day of rest 23:16 that really help my body out or if I drink enough water? 23:20 And then we just go through how it helps 23:23 and once people understand the science behind it, 23:25 they embrace it freely. 23:27 Yes. Praise God. Okay. 23:29 But some people, "Oh, no, I'm never gonna believe it." 23:31 But luckily around here, you know, 23:33 when the Bible Belt in the Greater Chattanooga area. 23:35 So, it's pretty well accepted here. 23:37 But when I go in some places you know, 23:39 they think you know it's a little quaky. Yeah. 23:41 But you know, in Christ time, when He was healing. Oh, yes. 23:44 You know, everyone you know has something to say. 23:47 There's always an opinion both good and bad. 23:49 And I'm sure you guys get the same thing too. 23:52 We do. And, it's amazing some of the mail that we get. 23:57 I'm just excited about what we'll get next week 24:00 because people will watch this program. 24:03 And here sometimes the same thing 24:06 and come to two different conclusions. 24:09 You were for this, you were against this. 24:11 Its amazing how many times that happens. 24:14 Do us then this favor. 24:16 Not that we're dismissing you now, 24:17 but do us then this favor. 24:19 When that book comes out come and see us 24:21 so, let's talk about it. Yes. 24:22 And you know, 3ABN has this book right now. 24:24 Oh, yes. Yeah. 24:25 And it's moving through 3ABN well 24:28 and I'm glad to see that people are reading it 24:31 and giving it a chance to read about "Ultimate Prescription." 24:33 It is selling greatly amongst 24:36 non Christian believers right now. 24:38 That's what I'm glad to hear. Yeah. 24:39 Because they want to say, "Hey, listen, 24:40 we know that something out there is not quite right." 24:43 So the non Christians are getting this book 24:46 and I'm getting lots of emails from them 24:47 they said, "Listen, 24:49 I didn't realize that the Bible actually had health principles 24:52 that could help get me off medicines 24:53 or make me feel better." Yeah. Right. 24:55 And it really helps those who have terminal disease too. 24:57 They said, "I didn't realize that 24:59 the Bible had treatments for me at the end of my life." 25:01 Right. And it does. It does. 25:03 So I like to say this, doctors are great at treating symptoms-- 25:07 Yeah. We're great at managing risks. 25:09 Yeah. But all of us are healers. That's right. 25:12 In the way we serve, 25:13 the way we love each other 25:15 and the way we bring each person to the ultimate healing force, 25:18 the ultimate treatment. Right. 25:19 And wouldn't it be great to go to a doctor, 25:22 you didn't have to wait in line, 25:23 he would listen all day long to you, 25:25 he give you the best treatment, 25:27 then you could go and mess up and do everything wrong, 25:29 eat all the right foods, 25:31 do everything wrong and you come back to him tomorrow 25:32 and he'd love you and treat you 25:34 and make you well the next day? 25:35 Yeah. Well, we have that. 25:37 Yeah. Indeed. Show that book. 25:39 Hold it up to the camera right there 25:41 and if you don't have it, you can get it-- 25:44 they can get it from us. Yeah. 25:46 They can get it from where else? 25:48 It's at book stores all over America 25:50 Barnes and Noble, Amazon.com, 25:52 but we want you to get it from 3ABN. Yeah. 25:54 Because when they get it from 3ABN, 25:56 part of the proceeds of that book 25:57 goes to help buy these cameras. 25:59 Amen. That's' right. Yeah. 26:01 And I know how expensive this is. 26:02 And this is true evangelism, reaching the entire world. 26:05 It does. And when you don't have a lot-- 26:07 when we don't have a lot of time to get this message out. 26:09 We never know what's gonna happen. Yeah. 26:11 So we got to keep pressing on all of us. 26:13 Yeah. Amen. 26:14 Get it from 3ABN because it does help us with the work. 26:16 You know we prayed when this book came out 26:19 that it would go to the wider community. 26:21 Because we sort of saw you as a Paul, 26:23 you know, to the Gentile. 26:25 Adventist have a fairly decent handle on health, 26:28 health evangelism and the bad effects of bad choices. 26:32 Whether we do it or not 26:33 is different story over the talk show, 26:34 but we know the wider community simple doesn't know. 26:38 And until they know they cannot do. 26:41 So, we-- our prayer was that 26:42 this would circulate in the Adventist circles, 26:44 but go beyond the Adventist circles and to hear that, 26:46 that is happening is an answer to prayer. 26:48 We're quite pleased about that. 26:49 And it's been a great tool for evangelism. Yes. 26:52 You know, if you give it to a friend 26:53 you know, it doesn't-- you hit him over the head 26:55 and say, "Listen, I want you to learn how to feel better. 26:57 I want you to help to find ultimate healing. 26:59 Why don't you just read this book 27:00 and ask me some questions when you finish?" Yeah. 27:03 And there are lot of people been giving it to their friends. 27:04 Doctor, we certainly appreciate your coming. 27:07 And did you see Doug Batchelor back there when you came in? 27:09 No, I didn't, but I am sure he's right behind us. 27:12 I'm sure he's right there. 27:14 And if he doesn't you need me to come out, 27:15 I'll run back out, okay. 27:16 Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming. 27:19 God bless. We'll see you then. Okay. 27:21 Well, while Doug is coming, 27:22 you want to read this last little section down here-- 27:24 Yeah, let me read this. This is the good stuff. 27:25 It says, the last phrase, it says, "Keep about your work. 27:29 Let your aim be as steady as a star. 27:32 Let the world brawl and bubble. 27:38 You may be assaulted, wronged, insulted, 27:41 slandered, wounded and rejected. 27:44 You may be abused by friends 27:46 and despised and rejected of men, 27:49 but see to it with steadfast determination, 27:54 with unfaltering zeal, 27:56 that you pursue the great purpose of your life 27:59 and object of your being until at last you can say, 28:04 'I have finished the work, which Thou gavest me to do.'" 28:11 Powerful, powerful stuff. I want to send it to you. 28:13 Please just call us 618-627-4651. 28:20 Or what is our email address then? 28:23 Freeoffer, freeoffer@3abn.org. 28:29 We'll get this in a minute. 28:31 This is sort of a card stock, Jim-- 28:32 Yeah, it is. 28:34 Now this is suitable for framing. It really is. 28:35 Greg found this stock it-- 28:39 its not parchment but parchment was just so expensive. 28:42 But this is better than the paper that I've mine on. 28:46 So, I want to tell you this is very good. 28:49 Great stuff. All right. 28:51 The reason that we are here-- Yes. 28:53 Is because of this background behind us, The Ultimate Purpose. 28:57 This is another one of the series of meetings 29:00 that Doug has done, 29:01 I guess over the years really on college campuses, 29:04 on high school campuses. 29:05 Just about every fall he does a meeting of this nature 29:08 and we've been so please 29:10 to partner with him during those times. 29:11 You know, Doug Batchelor is a man of all seasons 29:14 and he is a man who reaches all people. 29:19 He comes from a wealthy family. 29:22 So he understands wealth, lived in a cave. Yeah. 29:25 And lived as a street person. So he understands them. 29:30 He has an understanding of young people that is unique. Yes. 29:34 When he did the Amazing Adventure series, 29:38 it was one of the most popular series 29:40 and still is that we've ever had on 3ABN. 29:43 Then he did the MIQ series which most important question. 29:49 Yes. And he did that on an academy campus.- 29:50 He's still running that. Right. 29:52 Now, Ultimate Purpose here on a university campus. 29:56 Tonight it was just fantastic. 29:59 This place, the whole front section here 30:01 was full even test week. Yes. 30:04 I did not get a count, 30:06 but we had a ton of students here. Yeah. 30:09 And I did not know it was test week till we got on the campus. 30:11 Right. And they say, they're taken exams this week-- Exactly. 30:13 So it's hard to get young people out-- 30:15 well, this is study time. Yes. 30:16 So it's important. Absolutely. 30:18 I have a granddaughter here who is a student 30:20 and she is a straight A student 30:22 and this is one of her first test weeks here. 30:25 And I guarantee you, she was concerned about 30:29 being ready for her test tomorrow. 30:32 So in spite of that, now tomorrow night, 30:34 I don't know where we're gonna put everybody 30:36 because it will be Friday night 30:38 and this place they'll be no test 30:41 till for the next couple days. Yes. 30:43 And test will be over for a little while. 30:45 And this place is gonna be packed out tomorrow night. 30:47 So if you're in the area and you want to come, 30:50 you better get here early. I guarantee you. Yeah. 30:52 Well, Doug Batchelor, would you join us at this time? 30:56 We're just so happy to have Doug here and-- 30:59 You know, we've been talking about you 31:00 and now we can talk to you. Yeah, right. 31:03 Pastors Gilley and C. A. pleasure to be here with you. 31:06 It's just great to be with you. 31:08 I didn't know that you ran from the police, 31:09 you know, I'll have to listen to you when you speak man. 31:12 The more we listen, the more we learn. Yeah. 31:15 You know, he waited to turn on his lights. 31:17 I guess people would have to know what you're talking about. 31:19 Yeah. Right. 31:21 I was being chased by this policeman. 31:23 He was an undercover policeman. 31:24 And you didn't know at the time? 31:26 No and he wasn't in a conventional vehicle-- No. 31:28 And I'd just been driving through 31:29 some very dangerous country-- All right. 31:31 And when someone started following me I thought, 31:34 they're following me. Oh, boy. 31:35 And I took off and they took off after me. Yeah. 31:37 And he didn't turn his lights off for sometime 31:39 and it was nothing less than a high speed chase 31:41 on that roads. Yeah. 31:43 At night. Yeah. 31:45 It's pretty scary and then when he didn't turn on his lights 31:47 and I pulled over, I realized he comes out 31:48 all with his gun drawn-- Oh, yeah. 31:50 Hands on the steering wheel. 31:51 'Cause he didn't know who you were? No. Yeah. 31:53 But I, you know, evangelist--3150 31:55 After he took one look at you boy, 31:57 he want to get the handcuffs out. 32:00 You know, Doug, we laugh about that kind of thing, 32:04 but it's amazing how many times people will get it-- 32:09 find themselves in a situation like that 32:12 and it could be very dangerous. It really can. 32:14 And by the way your GPS was trying to get you make 32:17 a left turn which would have taken you 32:18 over a mountain, over a cliff. 32:21 You know before I even got to the cliff, 32:22 it was taking me down a logging trail 32:24 where trees were growing up through the middle. 32:25 I thought this can't be right, that should have been a clue. 32:29 You know, we have a road that runs from--is it 37 over to 149. 32:36 And Max Trevino, was coming in 32:37 late one night following his GPS, 32:39 this thing took him out through trails. 32:43 I mean, he called me and said, I can--I said, 32:45 turn around immediately if you go any further, 32:48 you would get stuck that is a horrible. 32:50 You cannot always follow your GPS, you have to question it-- 32:55 I think it was good point Doug you made 32:57 that you can always follow Christ, 32:58 you can trust Him to lead you right. 33:00 Talk to us a little bit about what motivated you 33:02 to come to this place to do this particular series. 33:04 Because you've done in a number of places 33:06 for a number of age groups 33:07 which you wanted to reach to just college age group again. 33:09 Talk to us about what the motivation was for that? 33:12 Well, it really-- 33:14 Pastor C. A. goes back to just the great commission 33:18 and we've worked together doing something for the kids, 33:21 8 to 12 was the Amazing Adventure and you mentioned 33:24 the MIQ meeting was really the teenagers. Yeah. 33:27 And I've always thought, 33:29 you know, one of the most critical groups to reach, 33:30 one of the most crucial ages is the college age, 33:34 when they're making-- you know, I went to college, 33:37 I was 25, I went late. 33:39 Because I, you know, I wasted some of those years 33:42 and I had a little different perspective 33:44 when I first got on the campus. 33:45 I knew what I wanted to do at that point. 33:47 But I saw so many young people that just were, 33:50 is there a God, you know, whom I supposed to be with, 33:54 what am I supposed to be do with my life? 33:55 They were so many questions. 33:57 I've always thought I wanted to come 33:59 and do something just like what we're doing now 34:02 to really focus on this age group 34:05 and it's not because I feel like I'm qualified because I don't. 34:08 I don't feel like I have all the answers 34:09 and that's probably why we put it off till last. 34:13 But it's just a passion I have 34:14 to try to just speak from my heart 34:16 to the college age, young people that are making decisions. 34:21 Now, tonight's subject was what is truth? 34:23 What is tomorrow night? Where did we come from? 34:26 All right and then Sabbath morning. Why is there evil? 34:30 Okay and then-- How to know God's will? 34:34 That's Saturday time. Saturday time. Okay. 34:37 Yeah, if you wanted to pick four-- Yeah. 34:40 That's four key one asked by this demographic. 34:44 What am I going to do with my life? 34:46 What's the God will? Where did I come from? 34:48 Where am I going? Why I'm I here? 34:49 What's about tomorrow? 34:51 Really four great topics, very pertinent topics. Yeah. 34:54 And so I appreciate your prayers 34:56 because again I don't feel like I have all the answers. 34:59 I mean, I know what I believe about those things. Sure. 35:01 But this is probably the most sophisticated group 35:07 and environment for these presentations 35:09 because they are all asking those questions now 35:12 and they're hearing so many voices. 35:13 You know Doug, I was studying the audience 35:15 while you were speaking, 35:17 I was listening very carefully to you as well, 35:19 but I was watching them, you had their attention. 35:22 This you felt it when-- if you even uttered something 35:27 that was a little humorous they were right with you. 35:30 But they were watching 35:32 and you know, there's always the kid 35:35 that maybe stayed up too late the night before 35:37 and they're gonna--I don't care what audience you're in, 35:40 you're gonna find a few of those. 35:42 But I saw very few. For the most part, they were riveted, 35:47 the ones that wanted to be here were here 35:50 and the ones that are seeking answers were listening. 35:54 And on top of that of course you had the television audience 35:58 which around the world, we believe a lot, 36:02 we know, sometimes people ask us, 36:05 why don't you just ask 3ABN, you just preach with the choir. 36:09 Now our studies have shown us 36:11 that our audience is only 3/10th of 1% Seventh-day Adventist. 36:18 The rest of our audience are not members of our group. 36:23 And that's shocking to people but they don't realize 36:26 that we're on 1200 cable outlets in North America. 36:29 We're on 150 stations that are downlink stations 36:33 and you know how effective those are 36:36 because you one right there in Sacramento. 36:39 And the one in Las Vegas, they baptize a 100 people 36:42 a year off of that particular station there. 36:46 Tyler, Texas, they get a whole bunch off of that one. 36:49 So we know where they report to us what they're doing, 36:53 how effective those stations are? 36:55 And then nine satellites around the world 36:58 and in so many places around the world, 37:01 they have free to air. 37:02 Everybody can get the satellite, 37:04 they don't just not like around here. 37:08 So they're able to pick them up. 37:10 Either their cable picks them up or everybody has a dish 37:15 and picks up the major-- 37:17 just like you get direct TV and dish here, 37:20 well, they get it there but they get it free. 37:22 So we're on those satellites 37:25 and people are watching around the world. 37:27 So tonight there was no telling how many individuals 37:31 were watching as you presented that message. 37:35 And I thought it was powerful, 37:36 when you brought those two young people up that was fantastic. 37:40 It was really good. 37:43 Surely I don't think you staged that, 37:45 you may have but I don't think so. 37:47 Well, I--they didn't know, they were coming up 37:49 and I didn't know until that moment 37:50 who we're gonna call on so. 37:52 Yeah, I think if you had, 37:53 you'd have asked that guy to wear some pants. 37:55 But anyway, they were great. 37:59 Those young people were just fabulous. 38:01 It was a great illustration, it really was. Yeah. 38:02 Now you're husband of own wife, you have how many children? 38:05 Well, we had six, we lost one, so we have five children. 38:09 One is college age, they range from 16 is the youngest, 38:13 I just started driving so stay off the sidewalk. Yeah. 38:16 See my point is that, 38:18 this stuff is not experimental or theoretical for you. 38:21 This is stuff you're living at your house everyday, 38:22 as far as trying to train and teach 38:25 and encourage this age demographic. 38:27 This is the stuff that you'd deal with all the time, 38:29 it's not theory for you. Right. 38:30 Now we've-- we've had the-- 38:32 the bulk of them are actually older now 38:33 and they got children of their own. 38:35 I've got six grandchildren 38:37 and so I remember when they were in this age group-- Yes. 38:40 And just how-- it's so crucial, 38:46 there're so many things that they're evaluating, 38:48 there are so many voices. 38:50 I remember when I was at this age, 38:51 you know, you get to be 17, 18 38:53 and you start really thinking about life. 38:56 When you're out of house, 38:57 you're so excited just to be out of the house. Oh, yes. 38:59 Then you go wild for a little while. 39:00 And just say, ah, freedom, what am I gonna do with it? 39:02 And then the novelty that wears off and you think, 39:05 "Okay, I'm on my own now. 39:08 What am I gonna do with my life?" 39:09 And it can be shocking the reality of that. 39:12 And you say, "I better figure out what's going on." 39:14 Yeah, yeah. What is the purpose of life? 39:16 Yeah. And I think you know, 39:18 just because you're on a Christian campus, 39:20 it doesn't mean you're Christian. 39:21 Certainly the environment here facilitates growth in Christ. 39:25 But it doesn't guarantee that everybody 39:27 that sits in these chairs 39:28 has a working relationship with the Lord. 39:29 And programs like yours help facilitate that, 39:32 I think it's a worthwhile thing. 39:35 Yeah, we've got be careful not to take it for granted 39:37 as you said that, somehow by our osmosis 39:40 everybody is going to come to know Jesus. 39:43 I think we need to make very simple gospel presentations. 39:46 I remember Pastor Gilley, you said something 39:48 when we were doing the Amazing Adventure program. 39:51 You know, as you target even the you know 8 to 12 year olds, 39:56 it's gonna finally make sense for some adults. 39:58 Oh, and this we--you cannot imagine the number of letters 40:02 I got from individuals, who said, Jim, when you in, 40:06 and they name some of the big time evangel, even yourself. 40:09 When they present this message, 40:12 I could never really-- it never made sense for me. 40:15 But when they did it they said, 40:17 "You got to understand, we're not all theologians" 40:19 and some of us have not studied the Bible at all in our lives 40:23 and we may be 50 years old but we're not educated in this area. 40:27 So when Pastor Doug made it simple for those kids, 40:32 they said for the first time in my life, 40:34 "I understood what they were talking about." 40:37 So adults are getting it and God has given you 40:42 a gift of looking--going beyond these generations. 40:46 You're able to talk and people who are older, 40:49 love you and they support your ministry and so do the kids. 40:53 And I mentioned it when we were introducing you 40:58 tonight on the program. 41:00 A lady came to me just this last week. 41:02 I was in Summerville which is just out of Charleston. 41:06 And she said, you know, 41:08 "when I read that book "Richest Caveman." 41:12 She said, "that book changed my life", 41:15 she said, "that is the most interesting book 41:18 I've ever read," she says, "I read a lot." 41:21 But said, "that book, I could not put that book down." 41:25 And it helped me to have 41:27 a real relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. 41:30 And I know that early on my youngest daughter, 41:35 mentioned that to me that she had read that 41:37 as like a kid in school and-- what an impact that had on her. 41:43 So sharing that experience, might even be that, 41:47 you may need to come out with the new edition of that 41:49 or something and talk about the very-- 41:53 the very richest caveman or something like that. 41:56 But maybe you update some of the chapters in what God has done. 42:02 But that book has impacted a lot of people's lifestyle. 42:05 Let me ask you few question and Doug, 42:06 at the risk of embarrassing you 42:09 because self evaluation is always gonna difficult. 42:11 Over and over we've heard, 42:13 people have come to 3ABN and come to the church, 42:16 there maybe three or four names that they will tout 42:20 as having made it so clear to them 42:22 or making the message so compelling to them 42:24 that they really could not resist it. 42:26 Invariably, one of those three or four names is your name. 42:28 That's right. 42:30 You seem to have this gift, given to you by God 42:32 to make things very plain, very simple, 42:34 cross-generationally accessible. 42:37 When you began to construct your ministry, 42:39 was it something you purposefully chose to do, 42:42 did you just fall into that, did you ask the Lord for that gift 42:45 because I think, Jim, will agree. Yeah. 42:47 They are two or three, four names 42:48 and your name is always one of them. 42:50 God has given you that gift. 42:51 Was it something you tried to do 42:52 or you just fell into that or it was easy for you to do? 42:57 You know, I don't know-- 42:59 I've never really thought about strategically, 43:01 about how did that happen? 43:04 I would just say, I just thank the Lord that, 43:06 I had the mother I had. 43:08 Now not everything I learnt from my mother 43:11 I could teach in church. 43:13 But my mother was a very lucid communicator and I just grew up. 43:18 She always said way in the simplest terms 43:21 what she was thinking, but she could be profound, 43:24 you know, she could write some profound things, 43:26 but she could also make it really simple 43:27 and so I just thank the Lord for the family I had. 43:30 And, mother and father, my dad was very direct 43:34 and my mom was more of a poet and a lyricist so, I don't know. 43:38 Yeah. I just thank the Lord, people understand, 43:40 I'm amazed, they do. 43:41 Yeah, the word out of the street is when Doug's done you know it. 43:44 And that's true. Praise the Lord. Yeah. 43:46 I just--it's been a privilege for me 43:48 to be involved in ministry 43:50 and I really appreciate it our working together. 43:53 I was watching in one of the net 99 programs this last week 43:56 and they took an audience shot and there you were. 43:58 I stopped it, actually I stopped it, 44:00 I have the DVR thing so I could stop it and he said, 44:02 "hi, C. A." We were there. 44:04 We both had more hair back then. 44:06 Yeah, 99 we did. 44:09 I remember those meetings very well in New York City. 44:12 Well, I can tell you the names of the individuals 44:14 that we hear about yours, Lyle Albrecht, 44:18 David Asscherick and Kenneth Cox. 44:21 These are the four that I hear more than any others. 44:25 With in always the ones 44:27 who're presenting the message, the full message. 44:31 And sometimes we get the idea 44:36 that people want to hear other things 44:39 and some of the theological stuffs 44:42 that come long that they want to get involved with that. 44:47 We find that they want to hear is the Sabbath, 44:49 the State of the Dead and our basic beliefs explained 44:55 and these are the most popular programs that we have, 44:58 even though we have lots of programs on 3ABN. 45:03 But you know, the amazing thing, 45:04 I remember when you began to preach 45:06 and I think a fellow by name of Miller, 45:09 Cyril Miller had faith in you. 45:11 Cyril has not been well lately. 45:13 He's very sick, been in the hospital, 45:16 they've moved him down to a convalescent hospital, 45:20 but he's struggling to hold on. 45:22 His mind is still sharp and his ideas are still right there. 45:26 And I know I have appreciated his ministry so much. 45:31 And he has had a lot to do with putting your name in at times 45:39 in the right place and the right time 45:41 by saying good things about Doug Batchelor. 45:44 Well, of course, Cyril Miller also most people 45:46 when they think of Amazing Facts they think well, 45:48 Joe Crews founded Amazing Facts. 45:51 But it was really Cyril Miller and Bill May, 45:54 that got together and they called Joe Crews, 45:56 so we've got a crazy idea. And he turned it down at first. 45:58 First time he thought that was a harebrain idea. 46:00 He said, you got so crazy. 46:03 But they talked him into it 46:05 and then Joe threw his life into it 46:08 and when Joe was there the Amazing Facts 46:12 became partners with Danny Shelton and 3ABN. 46:16 And then that partnership has increased 46:20 since you became a partner of Amazing Facts. 46:24 But how long you've been there now? 46:26 This year is 18 years. 18 years. 46:29 In November it's 18 years. Wow, praise God. 46:31 You know, you mentioned us again tonight that, 46:34 you came from fairly comfortable beginnings and background. 46:38 But that Amazing Facts stands on its own. 46:40 It didn't rise up 46:42 because Doug Batchelor threw a lot of cash into it. 46:43 It was a ministry called by God that you were given that mantle 46:47 and just picked it up and sort of ran with it. Yes, yeah. 46:51 Sometimes I've had people say, 46:53 "Oh, Pastor Doug, you're dad is very wealthy 46:55 and he's got this foundation," 46:57 but not a penny of my dad's foundation money 47:00 has gone to me or to Amazing Facts. 47:01 It's set up so it's meant for environmental, 47:05 humanitarian, medical and educational and--so yeah, 47:12 I hope people aren't misguided Amazing Facts 47:14 like 3ABN is entirely supported by just people 47:17 who watch and participate. Yeah, yeah. 47:20 How is your channel going man? 47:22 Had the Lord's blessing, yeah, 47:25 you know, it's growing 47:26 and as I'm sure you're seeing things 47:28 grow exponentially with 3ABN. Oh, yes. 47:30 There's people and--we found the same thing that you found. 47:33 And we look at the responses to programs 47:36 and you know, when you preach one of the generic subjects, 47:39 you can talk about baptism and you'll have some interest. 47:42 But you talk about things like what happens when you die-- 47:45 Or the Sabbath truth or the Mark of Beast, 47:49 through some of these-- 47:50 people are hungry to know the difficult subjects. 47:54 And we just see the interests 47:55 and requests spike for those subjects. Yeah, yeah. 47:58 So it seems that in these last days 48:00 people don't want to dance or waffle. 48:01 They want you to give them whole truth, 48:03 nothing but the truth and give it straight. 48:04 People appreciate when you boldly share the truth. 48:08 Praise God. Praise God. 48:09 What do you see down the road for the future of Amazing Facts 48:14 for maybe, some specials like this, 48:17 that you might be thinking about or on the drawing board 48:20 or in the back of your mind. 48:23 Yeah, what are you thinking about this time? 48:26 Well, I tell you, there's a couple of things, 48:28 one of course I was thinking about why we're sitting there, 48:31 we've done programs together 48:32 for the little kids with Ms. Brenda. Yeah. 48:34 We did one in Sacramento 48:36 and then we did of course the elementary school, 48:39 high school, college. 48:40 We've done lots of programs for the adults, 48:43 during that time. 48:44 My real passion is-- you know, I love the Bible, 48:47 but I especially love looking at the Old Testament stories 48:52 and seeing the gospel and Jesus in the Old Testament. Agreed. 48:56 And I'd love to do a series that just really talks 48:58 about Christ throughout the Bible. Okay. 49:01 And so I'm really excited about that. 49:03 I don't know that we do an age specific series, 49:06 we've every year, almost every fall for--since '04, '05. 49:10 Matter of fact we did the '04 -'05 meeting in Chattanooga. 49:13 Yeah. Oh, yes that's right. 49:14 And so that's 9 years ago-- Yeah. 49:16 We've done something just about every year since then. 49:19 Well, you know, we did the one last year at your church, 49:22 were you had the white and black-- Doctrines that Divide. 49:26 Yeah. Yes, yes. 49:27 And Pastor Barney. Oh, yeah. 49:32 Barney V. I think that's what I called him, 49:35 but you really I thought did an excellent job with that series. 49:41 And of entering during giving both sides 49:45 of some of these questions that people have. 49:49 And we had a very good response from that 3ABN. 49:52 It was easy for me to behave schizophrenically. 49:56 Yeah, I got it. 49:57 Quite natural. It came natural. Yeah. 50:00 I think once they got out over the half black, 50:02 half white suit and settled down, 50:04 there was a lot of good information 50:05 and that was an excellent series it really was, yeah. 50:07 I was--recently have that suit. I was so impressed 50:09 that seamstress did such a masterful job, 50:11 we brought two suits, brought black one and brought white one 50:13 and she just split it right down in the middle. 50:14 Right down in the middle. 50:16 Well, when I got there and saw it, 50:18 I might have had a heart attack but I because-- 50:22 Did you get very many complaints about the odd uniform? 50:24 You know, we get complaints on every thing, I mean, 50:27 I have people that complain about me constantly 50:30 and so we always get a few but not very many. 50:33 I mean you know we are more positive--more positive things 50:37 that were said than anything. 50:39 Those who got it, got it right away. Yeah. 50:41 But there were some letters so we brought along 50:43 because I turned on that night and what is he-- 50:47 But did you watch? 50:48 I did, I didn't turn away. Yeah. Right. 50:50 I think that you know, we want to get peoples attention, 50:52 television is the visual medium-- True. 50:56 So how could they visually see I'm really two people. 50:58 Yeah. Right. 51:00 I think it was very unique and truthfully we have-- 51:05 maybe one or two people and that is very, very-- 51:09 That's a good ratio. 51:10 That's good, believe me. Yeah. 51:12 And when I kid, I tease about people giving me hard time, 51:15 they really don't, they're very gracious. 51:17 And when they give me a hard time I usually deserve it 51:21 and so I write back and say you're right. 51:23 And please forgive me, I'll try not to do that again 51:27 and I'll probably writing a lot of those letters after tonight, 51:31 but because we've stepped on some toes probably, 51:35 but you know, I just feel like that 51:39 sometimes you need to open up your heart 51:41 and Night Light is the time when we do that. 51:45 We say what's on our minds, what's on our hearts, 51:49 and we bring people along and ask them to do just that. 51:52 Dr. Jim Marcum just shared some things a few minutes ago 51:56 that I'm sure some of his medical partners 52:00 would kind of cringe. Yeah, cringe. 52:02 Yes, indeed. 52:04 At some of things he said. 52:05 Doug, just question, because you-- 52:07 you also write really quite a lot. 52:08 You pastor a church, you do Sabbath school 52:11 which is loved around the world. 52:13 You write a lot, you preach a lot, and you're going a lot. 52:15 How do you structure your day to get everything 52:17 and still hold on to relationship with Christ, 52:19 because you're stretched in so many directions? 52:21 A lot of them, free offers we get are Doug Batchelor 52:24 or give it away rather, Doug Batchelor or Doug Batchelor 52:26 and somebody else, so you write voraciously, 52:28 you write a lot and then you teach the Sabbath school, 52:30 then you pastor a church. 52:32 And then you're going a lot to preach. 52:33 How do you get all that together, 52:35 still maintaining a working relationship with Jesus Christ? 52:38 Well, first of all, I couldn't do without an incredible team. 52:43 A lot of the writing, I'll do a sermon, 52:45 we transcribe it and I have friends then 52:47 that will be help me to organize the material. 52:49 I don't want to pretend. I don't have anyone ghost rights, 52:51 all the material is mine. 52:53 But I do get help sometimes in editing things 52:56 and putting them together or I couldn't keep up with that. 52:58 Yeah. Yeah. 52:59 And I try my best, you know, like I said, 53:02 if my wife is watching, she'll say, yeah, 53:03 I want to hear the answer to this. 53:05 Because I'm not sure I do get the balance that I need, 53:09 but I trying to be pretty religious about my tiny tweak, 53:13 I measure how much time 53:14 I spend with the church, with Amazing Facts. 53:17 I have to have some time to rest and exercise. 53:19 And I wake up early so that before 53:22 anyone else in the family is up, I'm studying, I'm writing. 53:25 That's when I get most of my work done early in the morning. 53:27 Yeah. When you said early, what is your-- 53:28 what time does your day begin? 53:29 5:30 to 6:00. Okay. 53:31 And like, you know, it depends on where I am. 53:35 Felt real early when I came to college there waken up. Yeah. 53:38 I taught a class at the college this morning 53:41 and got up at you know 7 o'clock, which felt like 4. 53:44 Yeah. Yeah. It actually was. 53:47 You've always kept in pretty good shape, 53:48 what's your exercise routine like? 53:51 Karen and I walk around the neighborhood 53:52 and I play racquetball. 53:53 That's--I jog a little bit but I get bored jogging. Yeah. 53:57 And so, I enjoy walking around the neighborhood. 54:01 Karen and I walk and talk and hold hands a couple days a week 54:05 and I like to go slug it out 54:07 on the racquetball court with Pastor Ross 54:09 and I've been playing at the campus here 54:10 with some of the people in the community. 54:14 And that's a pretty-- that's a good exercise. 54:17 You work every muscle in your body playing racquetball. 54:19 Oh yeah, you do, you do. 54:21 We are so thankful for Amazing Facts. 54:23 You've got a long and exemplary track record 54:26 and it's the partnerships has been good for us 54:28 and hopefully good for you guys also. 54:30 It's been a blessing. 54:31 We praise the Lord so much for 3ABN and for this relationship. 54:35 And it's fun that we've had this history together 54:37 doing these programs, targeting the different age groups 54:40 and really appreciate people's prayers for this series. 54:44 We're just in the infancy of these four presentations. 54:46 Got to ask you, did you know that it was exam week 54:48 when you structured this week? 54:50 Did you know you were up against exams? 54:51 You know, I did know because when we coordinated with GYC, 54:55 but it was the only window. 54:57 And since it was a short series I think as you said, 55:01 I think we're gonna be full for the next week-- 55:02 Yeah, weekend. Yeah. 55:03 We just praise the Lord. Yeah. 55:05 And we were strong tonight 55:06 but there are 3,300 students here too. 55:09 And I tell you a lot of them were here, Doug. 55:15 When we started I wasn't sure-- 55:17 They come in at the last minute. 55:19 It looked like the auditorium at 3ABN 55:22 when we were doing the series there. 55:23 But before we knew it, the people came in 55:27 and when they went out it took a while for them all to get out 55:31 because they was quite a crowd here. 55:33 I think you went out and greeted some folks. 55:35 Yeah, I took some time, wanted to go visit with the students 55:38 and I really enjoy the-- inspired me with-- 55:43 inject me with a little bit of that youth. 55:45 Right. Well, they do. 55:47 They are amazing and very inspiring. 55:50 And this evening has been very inspiring for me, C. A. Oh, yes. 55:54 And it's great to visit with Doug, of course, 55:58 and with Dr. Marcum and with-- Steven Ruf and-- Right. 56:02 Doctor Bietz, It's my first time meeting him. 56:04 You knew him. Yes. 56:05 Dignified man and I like the idea 56:07 that he is intentional about setting 56:09 a culture and use a term conservative. 56:11 We shouldn't back away 56:12 from that are we squibbish about that term. 56:14 But that's the kind of culture 56:15 he wants to set it for young people-- Yes. 56:17 Who they're gonna send out to face the dark world. 56:20 His first cousin is a fellow by the name of Kurt Kruger 56:24 and he married my daughter. 56:26 So, I am not blood related to Gordon 56:32 but we do know him through that family. 56:36 And of course I've know him through his brother 56:37 even before then through Dwayne. 56:39 Well, listen, it's been a great time. 56:42 We've enjoyed being here. 56:45 We do want you to call us and still there's-- 56:48 operator is still there, 56:49 618-627-4651. 56:54 Dough, I'm gonna give you this one and I want you to-- 56:57 Oh, thank you. To keep about your work this. 57:00 H.M.S. Richards quoted this often, 57:02 a lot of people have gotten it. 57:04 We honestly don't know who wrote it 57:06 but we--mine was given to me by E.E. Cleveland. 57:11 So, it's been around for a while. 57:13 Folks, it's something worth having. 57:16 Thank you for your support, for your prayers. 57:19 Continue to pray for 3ABN 57:21 and we will continue to pray for you 57:23 as you let us know your needs. May God bless you. 57:27 Keep on, keeping on with Jesus Christ, our Lord. |
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