We are back on the campus
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of Southern Adventist University
here in Collegedale, Tennessee.
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I just want to say Ooltewah
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but it's not Ooltewah, you're
technically in Collegedale.
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Well, that's right. We're
in city limits of Collegedale.
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And it's--they call it,
the locals here say Ooltewah.
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Ooltewah. Ooltewah. Okay.
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It's Cherokee for owls nest.
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Oh, is that so? That's right.
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Professor Steven Ruf is with us
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and we've been talking
about just a number of things.
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Why I wanted to get to you
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knowing how aggressively
secular media can be. Right.
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Is it easier--are you
hearing any kind of stories
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anecdotally otherwise when
you send these young people
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out into media,
news, entertainment,
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are they able to
carry their faith with them
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and sort of stand up
for Christ in an arena
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that questions
everything? Exactly. Yeah.
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And the newsroom can be--Yes.
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A very secular place, you
know, with the language and some
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of the values--we talk about
that, you know, in our classes,
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we--you know, I've
had personal experience
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being in that position
as a practicing Adventist
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and sharing my
faith in the workplace
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and dealing with
issues of Sabbath and others.
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And we say, you know, you
can't hide this under a bush.
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Yes, yes. You
know, you're gonna be--
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there's gonna come
a time and a place.
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Even really, even before
you're hired, those discussions
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need to be
happening with an employer.
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But yes, we hear
back from our students
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and it is a challenge
for some of them, not all.
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But we try our best to
prepare them for that moment
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and to encourage them and
we invite some of our alumni
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who are in those situations
to come back to the classroom,
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to inspire our students and say,
listen, we need--there's a need
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for a witness in those,
those very influential rooms,
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those newsrooms where,
you know, the affecting
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broadcast going
all over the world.
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We need to have our people
of faith in those situations.
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Pen this hereby and this
is gonna put you on the spot.
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It's all right.
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In talking with one of
our Adventist newspersons,
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they went into their job
with a clear understanding
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that Sabbath,
they were gonna be off.
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But there came a new story,
I don't recall what it was,
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it was either kidnapping or
something ongoing. All right.
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And because of the
brevity of the story
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and its late breaking, you
know, the aspect that things
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were happening all
the time, it was a story
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that was of great
importance to the family,
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they chose on
that particular weekend
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to stay through with the story.
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They had been the
face of the story,
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they had covered the story,
they had done the onsite stuff.
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So the person said because
of this particular kind of story
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and the impact they had on
the community "I chose to stay."
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Now later on, they
said that the other people
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in the newsroom who
knew I was Adventist
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really lauded me
for that, in fact,
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it was the means of
having some other people say,
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"You know, I want to
know a little bit more about
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your faith" because I
saw in you a human person,
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not just a person
who preached dogma--Yeah.
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But who lived out their
faith in real life in real time.
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Respond to that if you will.
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Every situation is different
and as much as we can predict
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or want to make proclamations,
I think every situation
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has to be, you know, you
look at it on its own merits.
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And personally, I can
just speak for myself.
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It was my policy with
my employer that, you know,
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when we came sundown
Friday that I was off the beat,
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you know, I wasn't
gonna be reporting.
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But there was
times and typically
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this was when there was a severe
weather event like a tornado,
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a catastrophic weather
event that had come through,
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where was it, we were in
the middle of and there was,
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you know, issues of
life and death going on
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and the media needed
to be out there informing
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people what was going on.
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You know, I called the news
director and said I'm there.
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Yeah. I'm not
there on the clock,
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I'm just there to do my
job, to help the community.
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You know, lot of people
don't realize that the day
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that Desmond Doss saved all
those people was on the Sabbath.
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And Desmond Doss
was very true to God
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and always kept the Sabbath.
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But when there was
an emergency situation,
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then it wasn't just
training or something,
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they needed him.
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He had prayer first,
had little time, he said,
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and then he went
out and went in to duty.
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And I think that God
honors that kind of thing.
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If you look back there are
situations where--if you look
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at the battle of Jericho,
the Lord actually had them
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on the Sabbath,
they weren't seven days,
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there's no way you
can do seven without
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one of them being
the Sabbath-- Right.
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And--but he had them during
it and so there are emergencies.
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Yes. Not just normal
duty, but you take something
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like a hurricane where
news people are saving lives--
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Yeah. Yeah. And
helping. Yeah. It's certainly--
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It's important and I
ask you that question
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because it occurs to me
that you are preparing students
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for the real world and to
take Christ in the real world.
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I remember years
ago in New York City,
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we had this horrific snowstorm
on a Friday night in to Sabbath.
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Some Adventists went in
to help who were working
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with sanitation and cleaning
streets and others did not.
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And I remember when we went down
to deal with the commissioner,
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he asked this question, he said,
"If it snows on Friday night,
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will you shovel your
walks in front of your church,
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so folk can get it
on Saturday morning?"
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That's right. And they
said, "Yeah, we would."
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Same with the city of New
York, the city was locked down.
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We had to have those streets
clear for fire, for safety,
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for ambulance, for
hospitals and there are times
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when you've got to
put legs on your faith
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and make it very, very--
and people will see that.
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And I think they
will appreciate that.
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We saw something few
years ago, we had inline
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hurricane that came
through our neighborhood.
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It hit on Sabbath. Yeah.
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And I know Danny
Shelton, there were people
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who had things
across their house,
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across their lawn,
they couldn't get out.
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Danny grabbed a--Chainsaw.
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Chainsaw and he was out
there cutting right along
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with the rest of those
who were trying to help
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alleviate the pain and
suffering in that community.
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Yes. And so the
Lord wants us to use
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our judgment in these things.
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Let me just say one
last thing though about
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the secular newsroom, there
are people of other faith there.
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And lot of people don't think
about this but as an Adventist,
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I discovered a
good Baptist, you know,
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who was in the newsroom.
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And, you know, we
would get together
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and maybe in the break
room and just share our faith
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with each other and
others came into that group
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and that was
inspiring, you know,
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to be able to share
like that. Yeah, yeah.
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I think the ability to train,
to take Jesus wherever you go
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and I'm very, very happy to
hear from you, from a president
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that you are giving
them the three hours,
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but also giving them Jesus
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in whom we live,
move and have our being.
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So thank you so very, very
much for what you do. Yeah.
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We really
appreciate what you're doing.
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Thank you very much
and we will look forward
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to future
partnerships and sending some
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of our graduates up your
way or interns your way. Great.
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We appreciate you letting
them have that opportunity.
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Thank you so
much. Yes. Bless you.
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Well, listen, we do
want to send this to you,
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"I keep about your work."
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I'm gonna read
one more paragraph
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while we're
bringing on our next guest.
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But he has not
sent you to make money.
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A lot of times people
think he has but he hasn't.
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He's not
commanded you to get rich.
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He has never bidden
you defend your character.
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He has not set you at
work to contradict falsehood
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which Satan and his
servants may start to peddle.
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If you do these things,
you will do nothing else.
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You will be at work for
yourself and not for the Lord.
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So if you want a copy
of this and the full thing
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we'll eventually read it to you.
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Just call us at 618-627-4651.
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Ask them to send you
this-- which is beautiful,
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it's on really good
parchment type paper.
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It says "Keep about your work."
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And it is suitable for framing.
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I have one framed, in fact,
we copied mine but actually
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they reset the type
and did a better job
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than the copy I have.
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So I'm gonna frame one of these.
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I'm gonna frame this also,
I'll take this very seriously.
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Yeah. You know, this one line
and Jim Marcum is coming up.
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We better have him come on
up. Well, look at this line,
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"He has not bidden you to
defend your character." No.
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You know, how automatically
when your character
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is assaulted, you're
gonna defend yourself, man.
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Exactly. You know,
you're gonna do whatever
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you can to
clear your name. Yeah.
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But if you make
that your life's work,
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that's all you'll
ever do-- That's all.
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Is defend your character.
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Let Christ stand up for
you and work through you.
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This is great,
great information--It is.
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And great inspiration.
It is. It really is.
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And you need to read it often.
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Yeah. Dr. Jim
Marcum, we welcome you.
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We're glad you're with us.
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You know, when we were
coming to this air, we said,
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"Yeah, we're in, we're in
Jim Marcum's diocese here."
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That's right. So good to have
you here, man. Good to see you.
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Well, it's great to
be here and this is home
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and we're glad it was
such a great day for you guys.
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Oh, beautiful. And I
know it's been a long day,
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so I'm gonna sort of
give you some energy here.
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Good. And we will
get things going here.
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Things are kind of bogging down.
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No, no, no, no. No,
no. It's a second wind.
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Yeah, indeed.
Things kind of picked up
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when I spilled a bottle of water
a few minutes ago and I'm--
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Well, you know-- I tell you.
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You recovered pretty well.
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Well, it's--I hope
it wasn't too obvious
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but they took the
band off the bottle
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because they want to advertise.
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But that weakens those bottles
and I had already drunk half
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of it and when I
reached that and grab it,
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it collapsed on me. And--
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I just thought that was
the power of your hands.
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Oh, yeah, right.
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I thought Jim was
washing my socks--
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I tell you he
thought we're having
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a foot washing
service here and C.A. get in.
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But we--anyway they
came out and helped me. Yeah.
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Michael came out.
Michael, thank you and Sheryl
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for bringing out some towels
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so we could kind
of mop things up here.
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Speaking of ultimate
prescription. Yeah. Okay.
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And we've got
the ultimate purpose
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and the ultimate
prescription. Indeed, yeah.
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You know, it's a great
word and everyone is using it,
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you know,
ultimate, it's something
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we all want to
reach the ultimate. Yeah.
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We're all looking for
that. Yeah. All right.
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Give us an update when
last you were with us-- Yeah.
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That the program was just
starting, the book was out--
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Yes. Things are moving. You're
going, you're being syndicated.
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I've seen the
program on a couple of cable
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channels out by us. Yeah.
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So things seem to
be going pretty good.
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The program is
doing well and we record
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certain number
at 3ABN every year.
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And the next set we're
schedule to make in March.
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And we're gonna talk
about the next 13 programs.
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We're gonna do on alternative,
you know, showing people
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the right place to use
alternative medicines. Yeah.
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The place to
use modern medicine.
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Right. And the place
to use spiritual medicine.
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Okay. You know, it
really is a balance.
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Yes. And we have to
know what that balance is.
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And also lead people
to that relationship,
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that saving
relationship with Christ
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that sort of gives us
the power to do things
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and know where to go. Yes, yeah.
So, the program is done well.
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In fact, starting
in January on 3ABN,
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we just signed a
contract with 3ABN
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to do a live
calling program. Okay.
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It's called "Heart
of Health Life." Yes.
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And 3ABN viewers
from all over the world
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will be able to ask
our specialist each week
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whatever question
they want to ask them.
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So one week we might have
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a specialist in
obstetrics/gynecology.
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The next week we might have an
urologist or plastic surgeon--
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That's exciting. The
cardiothoracic surgeon. Yes.
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And they can get
good medical advice
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and we'll try to
keep it balanced you know,
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so the place where
modern medicine is needed,
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the place where
lifestyle changes is needed
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but we'll always
lead people first
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to that saving relationship,
so no matter what happens.
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Yeah. We have that
ultimate prescription
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which is that relationship,
that saving relationship
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with out Lord and Savior.
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You know that is a very
timely and excellent series
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of subjects to deal into,
there are those in the church,
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out of church
who only believe in
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sort of what we call
alternative medicine.
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Naturopathic medicine and
of course it has its place.
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Yes. But there are times
and even Naturopathic doctors
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will tell you, there are
times when you need to go
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under the knife or--
and I did both-- Right.
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With mine, I went to Eden Valley
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and we did the lifestyle changes
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and I think it
bought me time. Oh, yeah.
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I really do. I
think it helped knock down
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the
aggressiveness of the cancer,
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but there came a
time when the doctor said,
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"It's still there.
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It is growing
slowly but it is growing,
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we need to deal with this."
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so we moved into
traditional medicine. Right.
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And I think using
a wise combination
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of both with
prayer and under the power
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of the Holy Spirit
is wisdom. Exactly.
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Yeah. And you know, when people
do that and they reach out
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in prayer, their
relationship will be stronger.
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And they will
grow closer to God.
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And no matter what
happens on this sinful earth
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with our bad
genetics, we're assured
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of healing at some point. Yeah.
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You know, sometimes
God heals right away.
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I've seen that. I actually saw
that this week in my practice.
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Praise God. Someone
was healed just like that.
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We see people that
are healed through God,
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given them the power to
change lifestyles. Yeah.
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And not everyone's perfect.
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You know, we try to love
people and not judge people.
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And bring them in, you know,
bring into that relationship
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and God changes them.
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And we also know they He
helps us to a better lifestyle,
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but no matter what
we're imperfect people. Yes.
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And he promises to heal us all,
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that walk with
Him at some point.
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And that's the
message we want to get out.
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That's the healing
message that draws people
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to that
relationship where they grow
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and they learn
more about their savior.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well,
you know sometimes
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we get the idea that
we're gonna live forever,
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we are but not on
this earth. That's right.
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And I know I was at one
of our lifestyle centers
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once and ministering
there and someone died.
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And it just--it blew them away.
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Because they said, he was
following all the principles.
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And I said, "Look,
that's great, that's wonderful,
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but that does not guarantee us
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that you are
gonna live forever."
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And we don't even know
the lifespan of an individual.
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I've seen people who
lived an extremely careful
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and healthy life and
not make it to 60. Yeah.
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And I've seen people
that didn't live the way
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they probably
should and made it to 100.
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But that is something you just
don't--it's not a predictor.
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We just had
Gordon Bietz and he said,
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"His dad lived to be 99,
he thinks he has good genes."
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But I didn't want to press
him too much but I'm telling you
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that I've seen
people who lived to be 90,
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whose children didn't
live even to be 70. So--Yeah.
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And we want, you know,
our message-- You don't know.
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We want to let people
know that we would rather
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live one year walking with God
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than 90 years without Him. Yes.
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Exactly. Yes, yes, yes.
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And that's a great
message, right. Yeah, it is.
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Yeah. And with all of our
gusto, with all of our life
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that He gives us, we want to
lay it all on the line for Him
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everyday because we're
coming down to perilous times.
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No doubt about
it. Yes. That's right.
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And we've a message
to do and we've even told
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that the health message
will continue to move forward.
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Yes. That's right. And
that's what we're seeing.
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People are very
interested in their health.
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And I'm surprised by
the questions I get about
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how misinformed people
are about all sorts of things.
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Right. Now the 3ABN
audience does very good.
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Yes. But other
people are really--Yeah.
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Shall I say,
clueless? Yes. Yeah.
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Through their bodies
and how they should feel
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and all these
things and one thing
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that we've been
learning recently is you know,
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everyone knows, you
know, what makes up health.
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You know, your genetics-- Sure.
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They say it makes about 20%,
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the food you eat,
that's very helpful.
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The bad food helps, you know,
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I mean the bad food hurts,
the good food helps. Yeah.
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We also have our movement
or exercise, our rest patterns,
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but a large
component of our health
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we're just now learning is
coming from our brain. Yeah.
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Wow. Did you know, there are
some studies out there right now
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from the University of
Pennsylvania that shows
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the people that watch violent TV
or sees violence over and over
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that's as dangerous as smoking
a pack of cigarettes. Wow.
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So, you can help
yourself a lot health wise
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by having a good
laugh, by being happy. Amen.
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By not living in fear. Right.
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You know, so
there's a balance. Yes.
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And you know, and
I had a guy that came
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in the other day, you
know, he was all stressed out
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about some of the
food he was eating.
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You know, he'd had
his bypass surgery. Right.
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I said, "Listen, you know,
you get most of the benefits by,
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you know, try not
to eat big at night,
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eating fresh
fruits and vegetables,
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and drink enough water."
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I said, sometimes this
fear and this negativity
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that you get by not
eating what you want,
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sometimes it's better just
to have a little happy food,
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but as little as you
can to be happy. Right.
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Because they're walking
on around, all angry and mad
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because you can't
have, you know, this or that.
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Sometimes that's
not good either. Yeah.
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And let the Lord take
you there in His time.
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So we're learning that the mind,
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the mind has a very
powerful role in healing. Right.
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Both short term
and permanently. Yeah.
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And just think what does
the devil want to control now?
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He tries to
control our minds. Exactly.
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Through all sort--you
look at the media out there
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and all that computers and
cell phones and games out there.
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All that stuff that's going into
our mind, it actually damages
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the stress part of our mind.
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You know, it
damages it and turns it on
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and we make all
these stress chemicals
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that get all over our bodies.
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So really, there's a lot to be
said by treating the mind too.
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Yeah. Yeah. You
know, its interesting Jim
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that Irma and I were walking
through the story the other day.
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Looking at some of the stuff
that most of the games now,
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the Xbox stuff and
they're all violent.
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Oh, yeah. I mean, its
all violence, shooting
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and blowing up,
and bombs and guns.
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So children,
young people, teenagers,
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young adults are
been fed this steady diet
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of absolute violence.
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If you have an attack or someone
said something that bothers you,
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your redress is to
punch him or hit him
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or blow him up or
shoot him or do something.
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It's violence,
begetting violence, begetting--
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so we're raising a
generation of people
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who know nothing but--
if somebody does something
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you don't like,
attack him because
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that's how you
solve your problems.
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And that's how
they're programmed. Yeah.
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And it's scary. So
that's why I'm glad
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that we're creating programming
to deal with our youngsters
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that are growing up,
it's the next generation.
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That is really
unfair for them when you see
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what they put in their minds,
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how they can ever
function and do well.
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And we wonder why
they're sick at young ages
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and have all these diseases.
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I am seeing
patients in my office
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that are having bypass surgeries
in their 30s and 40s now. Wow.
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Wow. 30s and 40s now
because of all the stress.
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Anything that we do,
that sort of lives contrary
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to God's plan, puts
stress on our bodies.
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And that stress over
prolonged period of time causes
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these chemical
reactions, it turns on
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bad genetics and damages us.
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The brain is a big part of it.
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Yes, yes, yes. Wow.
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You wouldn't think
that stress has that--
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I think that's may be kind
of a new area of study--Yes.
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That stress more than
putting weight on you,
00:19:03.21\00:19:05.26
shorting your lifestyle.
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Every time I talk to you I hear
a stress is this hidden devil
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that's doing so much
damage to our bodies.
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Well, you know we
talked about brain stress
00:19:13.77\00:19:15.66
but think about things
fear, that's a stressor
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we weren't made
to live with. No.
00:19:18.68\00:19:20.40
Being selfish, we
weren't made to be selfish.
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Wow. We were made to have
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a relationship
with your creator.
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And when we do these
things, it helps our chemistry.
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You know, when I love
you up or when I serve you,
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when I worship,
that makes good things
00:19:32.38\00:19:35.31
chemically
happen in my body. Wow.
00:19:35.34\00:19:37.15
Yeah. And when I
don't do the good things,
00:19:37.18\00:19:38.65
that makes bad things
happen in my body. Yeah.
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Isn't that interesting you know.
00:19:41.60\00:19:42.97
Yeah, it is. Yeah, I got
to ask you real quick, man,
00:19:43.00\00:19:44.47
because when you were with
us at 3ABN some months ago,
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we realized that your
calling, one of your callings
00:19:48.34\00:19:51.20
you've several, was to take this
message to a wider audience,
00:19:51.23\00:19:54.32
sort of out of the
Adventist bubble. Yes.
00:19:54.35\00:19:56.12
And to an audience
really that is skeptical
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or doesn't know the Lord
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or has a partial
relationship with the Lord.
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But you were called
to take this message out.
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What has been their response
00:20:03.02\00:20:04.71
and you know, how
you've been receive?
00:20:04.74\00:20:06.49
Well, a couple things
that's helped me is one is that
00:20:06.52\00:20:09.68
I have had publishers of
my books, one is Tyndale.
00:20:09.71\00:20:12.97
And they are very
well accepted across lines.
00:20:13.00\00:20:15.39
They always challenge
you with is this scientific?
00:20:15.42\00:20:18.58
But luckily, now
we having science
00:20:18.61\00:20:21.09
that proves everything
that God says is true. Oh, yeah.
00:20:21.12\00:20:23.84
We've studies that show that
00:20:23.87\00:20:25.31
people that rest
better, feel better.
00:20:25.34\00:20:27.57
People that serve each
other, fight infections better.
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People that laugh, do better.
00:20:30.48\00:20:32.96
People that have
love in their life,
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conversely people that don't do
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those things have
negative chemistry.
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We've proven that.
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Next year, I'm
coming out with a book
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that's probably gonna get
me in a little bit of trouble
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and I'll preview
it here first tonight.
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It's called
"Medicines that Kill." Yeah.
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And in that book--
it's gonna be released
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in February by
Tyndale, nationwide.
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And in that book
for the first time ever
00:20:54.39\00:20:57.34
I detailed how
medications at all levels,
00:20:57.37\00:21:01.20
their mistakes,
how people take them,
00:21:01.23\00:21:03.62
their allergic reaction
is the number one killer
00:21:03.65\00:21:06.37
in America right now. Wow.
00:21:06.40\00:21:08.20
I don't know if people are
gonna be ready to hear that.
00:21:08.23\00:21:10.69
And that there's a very
important place for medicines,
00:21:10.72\00:21:13.59
but they have to
be used correctly.
00:21:13.62\00:21:15.89
Michael Jackson, Heath
Ledger, Whitney Houston
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all the people that don't
take their medicines correctly
00:21:19.56\00:21:21.96
that have allergic
reactions that on many medicines
00:21:21.99\00:21:25.01
that just numb their senses
and they have car accidents.
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The medicines that hurt babies.
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All of those are gonna
be revealed in this book.
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But it's a great way,
00:21:32.59\00:21:33.96
not only do I
reveal the problem,
00:21:33.99\00:21:35.36
but in the
second half of the book
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we talk about the solutions.
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Amen. How to get off medicines.
00:21:38.62\00:21:40.16
The place for them.
00:21:40.19\00:21:41.56
And I think this is another way
00:21:41.59\00:21:42.96
to get people
interested in the biblical plan
00:21:42.99\00:21:45.88
that how God wants
to heal us ultimately.
00:21:45.91\00:21:48.87
Wow. Well, that's gonna
be a real interesting book.
00:21:48.90\00:21:51.55
And I think that
you will have some--
00:21:51.58\00:21:55.23
there will be controversy. Yes.
00:21:55.26\00:21:56.87
And sometimes a
little bit of controversy
00:21:56.90\00:21:58.62
gets people thinking.
00:21:58.65\00:22:00.02
Yeah. You know. Right.
00:22:00.05\00:22:01.69
250 years ago, if you
didn't put a leach on somebody
00:22:01.72\00:22:04.87
for an infection, you
were considered a bad doctor.
00:22:04.90\00:22:06.63
Right. Yes.
00:22:06.66\00:22:08.03
In the 30s, if you didn't
prescribe cigarettes for asthma,
00:22:08.06\00:22:10.40
you were bad doctor. Right.
00:22:10.43\00:22:12.03
When they look back
on this stage of history,
00:22:12.06\00:22:15.18
they're gonna say, "What
were these guys thinking?"
00:22:15.21\00:22:17.69
Yeah, Just like we
did years ago. Yeah.
00:22:17.72\00:22:19.92
And the only real truth
00:22:19.95\00:22:21.32
that I can find out
there is this Bible.
00:22:21.35\00:22:24.34
This Bible, that leads us
00:22:24.37\00:22:26.03
to what we should be
doing and what we shouldn't.
00:22:26.06\00:22:27.85
And I think modern medicine
is great for acute problems.
00:22:27.88\00:22:31.05
Right. It's a
great place to start.
00:22:31.08\00:22:32.45
But now things have got
out of control a little bit.
00:22:32.48\00:22:35.32
And now I'm trying to guide
people back into that balance.
00:22:35.35\00:22:38.55
And it gets out of control
both ways. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:22:38.58\00:22:40.90
How does the medical field
relate to that type of concept?
00:22:40.93\00:22:45.01
Your fellow doctors,
00:22:45.04\00:22:46.96
say in the
practice where you are.
00:22:46.99\00:22:48.50
Well, you know, luckily for me,
00:22:48.53\00:22:49.94
luckily for me I can back
up what I say with science.
00:22:49.97\00:22:53.16
Praise God. Okay.
00:22:53.19\00:22:54.56
And when you can
back it up with science
00:22:54.59\00:22:56.12
and good patient
results, good outcomes--
00:22:56.15\00:22:59.05
Right. This has
proven itself it works.
00:22:59.08\00:23:01.38
Okay. So, so far
it's been okay. Okay.
00:23:01.41\00:23:04.93
But occasionally
someone will say,
00:23:04.96\00:23:07.18
"Well, how does-- how
does being happy, you know,
00:23:07.21\00:23:10.18
how does being happy
lower my blood pressure?"
00:23:10.21\00:23:12.50
Yeah. You know or
how can this happen?
00:23:12.53\00:23:14.56
Or how can if I
have a day of rest
00:23:14.59\00:23:16.80
that really help my body
out or if I drink enough water?
00:23:16.83\00:23:20.36
And then we just go
through how it helps
00:23:20.39\00:23:23.11
and once people understand
the science behind it,
00:23:23.14\00:23:25.58
they embrace it freely.
00:23:25.61\00:23:27.64
Yes. Praise God. Okay.
00:23:27.67\00:23:29.04
But some people, "Oh, no,
I'm never gonna believe it."
00:23:29.07\00:23:31.95
But luckily
around here, you know,
00:23:31.98\00:23:33.35
when the Bible Belt in
the Greater Chattanooga area.
00:23:33.38\00:23:35.87
So, it's pretty
well accepted here.
00:23:35.90\00:23:37.53
But when I go in
some places you know,
00:23:37.56\00:23:39.22
they think you know
it's a little quaky. Yeah.
00:23:39.25\00:23:41.92
But you know, in Christ time,
when He was healing. Oh, yes.
00:23:41.95\00:23:44.69
You know, everyone you
know has something to say.
00:23:44.72\00:23:47.30
There's always an
opinion both good and bad.
00:23:47.33\00:23:49.55
And I'm sure you guys
get the same thing too.
00:23:49.58\00:23:52.17
We do. And, it's amazing
some of the mail that we get.
00:23:52.20\00:23:57.26
I'm just excited about
what we'll get next week
00:23:57.29\00:24:00.61
because people
will watch this program.
00:24:00.64\00:24:03.11
And here
sometimes the same thing
00:24:03.14\00:24:06.54
and come to two
different conclusions.
00:24:06.57\00:24:09.59
You were for this,
you were against this.
00:24:09.62\00:24:11.92
Its amazing how
many times that happens.
00:24:11.95\00:24:14.85
Do us then this favor.
00:24:14.88\00:24:16.25
Not that we're
dismissing you now,
00:24:16.28\00:24:17.65
but do us then this favor.
00:24:17.68\00:24:19.29
When that book
comes out come and see us
00:24:19.32\00:24:21.35
so, let's talk about it. Yes.
00:24:21.38\00:24:22.75
And you know, 3ABN
has this book right now.
00:24:22.78\00:24:24.51
Oh, yes. Yeah.
00:24:24.54\00:24:25.91
And it's moving
through 3ABN well
00:24:25.94\00:24:28.09
and I'm glad to see
that people are reading it
00:24:28.12\00:24:31.06
and giving it a chance to read
about "Ultimate Prescription."
00:24:31.09\00:24:33.35
It is selling greatly amongst
00:24:33.38\00:24:36.59
non Christian
believers right now.
00:24:36.62\00:24:38.11
That's what I'm
glad to hear. Yeah.
00:24:38.14\00:24:39.51
Because they want
to say, "Hey, listen,
00:24:39.54\00:24:40.94
we know that something
out there is not quite right."
00:24:40.97\00:24:43.60
So the non
Christians are getting this book
00:24:43.63\00:24:46.14
and I'm getting
lots of emails from them
00:24:46.17\00:24:47.74
they said, "Listen,
00:24:47.77\00:24:49.14
I didn't realize that the Bible
actually had health principles
00:24:49.17\00:24:52.19
that could help
get me off medicines
00:24:52.22\00:24:53.79
or make me feel
better." Yeah. Right.
00:24:53.82\00:24:55.28
And it really helps those
who have terminal disease too.
00:24:55.31\00:24:57.96
They said, "I
didn't realize that
00:24:57.99\00:24:59.36
the Bible had treatments
for me at the end of my life."
00:24:59.39\00:25:01.89
Right. And it does. It does.
00:25:01.92\00:25:03.90
So I like to say this, doctors
are great at treating symptoms--
00:25:03.93\00:25:07.53
Yeah. We're great
at managing risks.
00:25:07.56\00:25:09.68
Yeah. But all of us
are healers. That's right.
00:25:09.71\00:25:12.20
In the way we serve,
00:25:12.23\00:25:13.60
the way we love each other
00:25:13.63\00:25:15.00
and the way we bring each person
to the ultimate healing force,
00:25:15.03\00:25:18.49
the ultimate treatment. Right.
00:25:18.52\00:25:19.91
And wouldn't it be
great to go to a doctor,
00:25:19.94\00:25:22.10
you didn't have to wait in line,
00:25:22.13\00:25:23.77
he would listen
all day long to you,
00:25:23.80\00:25:25.95
he give you the best treatment,
00:25:25.98\00:25:27.64
then you could go and mess
up and do everything wrong,
00:25:27.67\00:25:29.88
eat all the right foods,
00:25:29.91\00:25:31.28
do everything wrong and
you come back to him tomorrow
00:25:31.31\00:25:32.86
and he'd love you and treat you
00:25:32.89\00:25:34.26
and make you well the next day?
00:25:34.29\00:25:35.66
Yeah. Well, we have that.
00:25:35.69\00:25:37.06
Yeah. Indeed. Show that book.
00:25:37.09\00:25:38.97
Hold it up to the
camera right there
00:25:39.00\00:25:41.30
and if you don't
have it, you can get it--
00:25:41.33\00:25:44.44
they can get it from us. Yeah.
00:25:44.47\00:25:46.31
They can get it from where else?
00:25:46.34\00:25:48.25
It's at book
stores all over America
00:25:48.28\00:25:50.19
Barnes and Noble, Amazon.com,
00:25:50.22\00:25:52.20
but we want you to
get it from 3ABN. Yeah.
00:25:52.23\00:25:54.43
Because when
they get it from 3ABN,
00:25:54.46\00:25:56.13
part of the
proceeds of that book
00:25:56.16\00:25:57.68
goes to help buy these cameras.
00:25:57.71\00:25:59.68
Amen. That's' right. Yeah.
00:25:59.71\00:26:01.08
And I know how
expensive this is.
00:26:01.11\00:26:02.48
And this is true evangelism,
reaching the entire world.
00:26:02.51\00:26:05.49
It does. And when
you don't have a lot--
00:26:05.52\00:26:07.12
when we don't have a lot of
time to get this message out.
00:26:07.15\00:26:09.20
We never know
what's gonna happen. Yeah.
00:26:09.23\00:26:11.21
So we got to keep
pressing on all of us.
00:26:11.24\00:26:13.00
Yeah. Amen.
00:26:13.03\00:26:14.40
Get it from 3ABN because
it does help us with the work.
00:26:14.43\00:26:16.02
You know we prayed
when this book came out
00:26:16.05\00:26:19.63
that it would go to
the wider community.
00:26:19.66\00:26:21.34
Because we sort
of saw you as a Paul,
00:26:21.37\00:26:23.25
you know, to the Gentile.
00:26:23.28\00:26:25.59
Adventist have a fairly
decent handle on health,
00:26:25.62\00:26:28.58
health evangelism and the
bad effects of bad choices.
00:26:28.61\00:26:32.08
Whether we do it or not
00:26:32.11\00:26:33.48
is different story
over the talk show,
00:26:33.51\00:26:34.88
but we know the wider
community simple doesn't know.
00:26:34.91\00:26:38.20
And until they
know they cannot do.
00:26:38.23\00:26:41.22
So, we-- our prayer was that
00:26:41.25\00:26:42.62
this would circulate
in the Adventist circles,
00:26:42.65\00:26:44.39
but go beyond the Adventist
circles and to hear that,
00:26:44.42\00:26:46.69
that is happening
is an answer to prayer.
00:26:46.72\00:26:48.48
We're quite pleased about that.
00:26:48.51\00:26:49.88
And it's been a great
tool for evangelism. Yes.
00:26:49.91\00:26:52.09
You know, if you
give it to a friend
00:26:52.12\00:26:53.67
you know, it doesn't--
you hit him over the head
00:26:53.70\00:26:55.07
and say, "Listen, I want
you to learn how to feel better.
00:26:55.10\00:26:57.38
I want you to help to
find ultimate healing.
00:26:57.41\00:26:59.17
Why don't you
just read this book
00:26:59.20\00:27:00.57
and ask me some questions
when you finish?" Yeah.
00:27:00.60\00:27:03.10
And there are lot of people
been giving it to their friends.
00:27:03.13\00:27:04.65
Doctor, we certainly
appreciate your coming.
00:27:04.68\00:27:07.53
And did you see Doug Batchelor
back there when you came in?
00:27:07.56\00:27:09.72
No, I didn't, but I am
sure he's right behind us.
00:27:09.75\00:27:12.21
I'm sure he's right there.
00:27:12.24\00:27:14.09
And if he doesn't
you need me to come out,
00:27:14.12\00:27:15.49
I'll run back out, okay.
00:27:15.52\00:27:16.89
Okay. Thank you. Thank
you so much for coming.
00:27:16.92\00:27:19.29
God bless. We'll
see you then. Okay.
00:27:19.32\00:27:21.20
Well, while Doug is coming,
00:27:21.23\00:27:22.60
you want to read this
last little section down here--
00:27:22.63\00:27:24.00
Yeah, let me read
this. This is the good stuff.
00:27:24.03\00:27:25.40
It says, the last phrase,
it says, "Keep about your work.
00:27:25.43\00:27:29.09
Let your aim be
as steady as a star.
00:27:29.12\00:27:32.50
Let the world brawl and bubble.
00:27:32.53\00:27:37.98
You may be
assaulted, wronged, insulted,
00:27:38.01\00:27:41.50
slandered, wounded and rejected.
00:27:41.53\00:27:44.82
You may be abused by friends
00:27:44.85\00:27:46.54
and despised
and rejected of men,
00:27:46.57\00:27:49.49
but see to it with
steadfast determination,
00:27:49.52\00:27:54.04
with unfaltering zeal,
00:27:54.07\00:27:56.41
that you pursue the
great purpose of your life
00:27:56.44\00:27:59.82
and object of your being
until at last you can say,
00:27:59.85\00:28:04.81
'I have finished the work,
which Thou gavest me to do.'"
00:28:04.84\00:28:11.04
Powerful, powerful
stuff. I want to send it to you.
00:28:11.07\00:28:13.91
Please just
call us 618-627-4651.
00:28:13.94\00:28:20.90
Or what is our
email address then?
00:28:20.93\00:28:23.39
Freeoffer, freeoffer@3abn.org.
00:28:23.42\00:28:29.79
We'll get this in a minute.
00:28:29.82\00:28:31.19
This is sort of
a card stock, Jim--
00:28:31.22\00:28:32.59
Yeah, it is.
00:28:32.62\00:28:33.99
Now this is suitable
for framing. It really is.
00:28:34.02\00:28:35.88
Greg found this stock it--
00:28:35.91\00:28:39.43
its not parchment but
parchment was just so expensive.
00:28:39.46\00:28:42.95
But this is better than
the paper that I've mine on.
00:28:42.98\00:28:46.80
So, I want to tell
you this is very good.
00:28:46.83\00:28:49.94
Great stuff. All right.
00:28:49.97\00:28:51.56
The reason that
we are here-- Yes.
00:28:51.59\00:28:53.68
Is because of this background
behind us, The Ultimate Purpose.
00:28:53.71\00:28:57.43
This is another one
of the series of meetings
00:28:57.46\00:29:00.48
that Doug has done,
00:29:00.51\00:29:01.88
I guess over the years
really on college campuses,
00:29:01.91\00:29:04.40
on high school campuses.
00:29:04.43\00:29:05.80
Just about every fall he
does a meeting of this nature
00:29:05.83\00:29:08.91
and we've been so please
00:29:08.94\00:29:10.31
to partner with
him during those times.
00:29:10.34\00:29:11.82
You know, Doug Batchelor
is a man of all seasons
00:29:11.85\00:29:14.93
and he is a man
who reaches all people.
00:29:14.96\00:29:19.58
He comes from a wealthy family.
00:29:19.61\00:29:22.13
So he understands
wealth, lived in a cave. Yeah.
00:29:22.16\00:29:25.08
And lived as a street
person. So he understands them.
00:29:25.11\00:29:30.62
He has an understanding of young
people that is unique. Yes.
00:29:30.69\00:29:34.86
When he did the
Amazing Adventure series,
00:29:34.89\00:29:38.43
it was one of the
most popular series
00:29:38.46\00:29:40.17
and still is that
we've ever had on 3ABN.
00:29:40.20\00:29:43.61
Then he did the MIQ series
which most important question.
00:29:43.64\00:29:48.98
Yes. And he did that
on an academy campus.-
00:29:49.01\00:29:50.60
He's still running that. Right.
00:29:50.63\00:29:52.23
Now, Ultimate Purpose
here on a university campus.
00:29:52.26\00:29:56.92
Tonight it was just fantastic.
00:29:56.95\00:29:59.48
This place, the
whole front section here
00:29:59.51\00:30:01.92
was full even test week. Yes.
00:30:01.95\00:30:04.50
I did not get a count,
00:30:04.53\00:30:06.26
but we had a ton of
students here. Yeah.
00:30:06.29\00:30:09.19
And I did not know it was test
week till we got on the campus.
00:30:09.22\00:30:11.65
Right. And they say, they're
taken exams this week-- Exactly.
00:30:11.68\00:30:13.85
So it's hard to
get young people out--
00:30:13.88\00:30:15.25
well, this is study time. Yes.
00:30:15.28\00:30:16.65
So it's important. Absolutely.
00:30:16.68\00:30:18.07
I have a granddaughter
here who is a student
00:30:18.10\00:30:20.25
and she is a straight A student
00:30:20.28\00:30:22.27
and this is one of
her first test weeks here.
00:30:22.30\00:30:25.24
And I guarantee you,
she was concerned about
00:30:25.27\00:30:29.79
being ready for
her test tomorrow.
00:30:29.82\00:30:31.97
So in spite of
that, now tomorrow night,
00:30:32.00\00:30:34.68
I don't know where
we're gonna put everybody
00:30:34.71\00:30:36.20
because it will be Friday night
00:30:36.23\00:30:38.72
and this place
they'll be no test
00:30:38.75\00:30:41.46
till for the
next couple days. Yes.
00:30:41.49\00:30:43.21
And test will be
over for a little while.
00:30:43.24\00:30:45.53
And this place is gonna
be packed out tomorrow night.
00:30:45.56\00:30:47.78
So if you're in the
area and you want to come,
00:30:47.81\00:30:50.15
you better get here
early. I guarantee you. Yeah.
00:30:50.18\00:30:52.92
Well, Doug Batchelor,
would you join us at this time?
00:30:52.95\00:30:56.14
We're just so happy
to have Doug here and--
00:30:56.17\00:30:59.33
You know, we've
been talking about you
00:30:59.36\00:31:00.73
and now we can talk
to you. Yeah, right.
00:31:00.76\00:31:03.96
Pastors Gilley and C. A.
pleasure to be here with you.
00:31:03.99\00:31:06.71
It's just great to be with you.
00:31:06.74\00:31:08.11
I didn't know that
you ran from the police,
00:31:08.14\00:31:09.55
you know, I'll have to listen
to you when you speak man.
00:31:09.58\00:31:12.54
The more we listen,
the more we learn. Yeah.
00:31:12.57\00:31:15.13
You know, he waited
to turn on his lights.
00:31:15.16\00:31:17.31
I guess people would have to
know what you're talking about.
00:31:17.34\00:31:19.87
Yeah. Right.
00:31:19.90\00:31:21.27
I was being
chased by this policeman.
00:31:21.30\00:31:23.29
He was an undercover policeman.
00:31:23.32\00:31:24.69
And you didn't know at the time?
00:31:24.72\00:31:26.09
No and he wasn't in a
conventional vehicle-- No.
00:31:26.12\00:31:28.50
And I'd just
been driving through
00:31:28.53\00:31:29.90
some very dangerous
country-- All right.
00:31:29.93\00:31:31.85
And when someone
started following me I thought,
00:31:31.88\00:31:33.98
they're following me. Oh, boy.
00:31:34.01\00:31:35.38
And I took off and they
took off after me. Yeah.
00:31:35.41\00:31:37.63
And he didn't turn his
lights off for sometime
00:31:37.66\00:31:39.27
and it was nothing
less than a high speed chase
00:31:39.30\00:31:41.75
on that roads. Yeah.
00:31:41.78\00:31:43.72
At night. Yeah.
00:31:43.75\00:31:45.12
It's pretty scary and then when
he didn't turn on his lights
00:31:45.15\00:31:47.07
and I pulled over, I
realized he comes out
00:31:47.10\00:31:48.90
all with his gun
drawn-- Oh, yeah.
00:31:48.93\00:31:50.30
Hands on the steering wheel.
00:31:50.33\00:31:51.70
'Cause he didn't know
who you were? No. Yeah.
00:31:51.73\00:31:53.10
But I, you
know, evangelist--3150
00:31:53.13\00:31:55.21
After he took
one look at you boy,
00:31:55.24\00:31:57.02
he want to get
the handcuffs out.
00:31:57.05\00:32:00.91
You know, Doug, we laugh
about that kind of thing,
00:32:00.94\00:32:04.75
but it's amazing how many
times people will get it--
00:32:04.78\00:32:09.60
find themselves in
a situation like that
00:32:09.63\00:32:12.11
and it could be very
dangerous. It really can.
00:32:12.14\00:32:14.79
And by the way your GPS
was trying to get you make
00:32:14.82\00:32:17.24
a left turn which
would have taken you
00:32:17.27\00:32:18.69
over a mountain, over a cliff.
00:32:18.72\00:32:21.19
You know before I
even got to the cliff,
00:32:21.22\00:32:22.78
it was taking me
down a logging trail
00:32:22.81\00:32:24.29
where trees were
growing up through the middle.
00:32:24.32\00:32:25.69
I thought this can't be right,
that should have been a clue.
00:32:25.72\00:32:29.38
You know, we have a road that
runs from--is it 37 over to 149.
00:32:29.41\00:32:36.19
And Max Trevino, was coming in
00:32:36.22\00:32:37.85
late one night
following his GPS,
00:32:37.88\00:32:39.89
this thing took
him out through trails.
00:32:39.92\00:32:43.22
I mean, he called me
and said, I can--I said,
00:32:43.25\00:32:45.77
turn around immediately
if you go any further,
00:32:45.80\00:32:48.24
you would get
stuck that is a horrible.
00:32:48.27\00:32:50.72
You cannot always follow your
GPS, you have to question it--
00:32:50.75\00:32:55.81
I think it was
good point Doug you made
00:32:55.84\00:32:57.52
that you can
always follow Christ,
00:32:57.55\00:32:58.92
you can trust Him
to lead you right.
00:32:58.95\00:33:00.32
Talk to us a little bit
about what motivated you
00:33:00.35\00:33:02.22
to come to this place to
do this particular series.
00:33:02.25\00:33:04.36
Because you've done
in a number of places
00:33:04.39\00:33:06.16
for a number of age groups
00:33:06.19\00:33:07.56
which you wanted to reach to
just college age group again.
00:33:07.59\00:33:09.54
Talk to us about what
the motivation was for that?
00:33:09.57\00:33:12.46
Well, it really--
00:33:12.49\00:33:14.36
Pastor C. A. goes back
to just the great commission
00:33:14.39\00:33:17.98
and we've worked together
doing something for the kids,
00:33:18.01\00:33:21.49
8 to 12 was the Amazing
Adventure and you mentioned
00:33:21.52\00:33:24.75
the MIQ meeting was
really the teenagers. Yeah.
00:33:24.78\00:33:27.73
And I've always thought,
00:33:27.76\00:33:29.13
you know, one of the
most critical groups to reach,
00:33:29.16\00:33:30.92
one of the most crucial
ages is the college age,
00:33:30.95\00:33:34.92
when they're making--
you know, I went to college,
00:33:34.95\00:33:37.52
I was 25, I went late.
00:33:37.55\00:33:39.81
Because I, you know, I
wasted some of those years
00:33:39.84\00:33:42.75
and I had a little
different perspective
00:33:42.78\00:33:44.15
when I first got on the campus.
00:33:44.18\00:33:45.68
I knew what I
wanted to do at that point.
00:33:45.71\00:33:47.77
But I saw so many
young people that just were,
00:33:47.80\00:33:50.74
is there a God, you know,
whom I supposed to be with,
00:33:50.77\00:33:54.14
what am I supposed
to be do with my life?
00:33:54.17\00:33:55.58
They were so many questions.
00:33:55.61\00:33:57.59
I've always
thought I wanted to come
00:33:57.62\00:33:59.73
and do something just
like what we're doing now
00:33:59.76\00:34:02.07
to really focus
on this age group
00:34:02.10\00:34:05.46
and it's not because I feel like
I'm qualified because I don't.
00:34:05.49\00:34:08.28
I don't feel like I
have all the answers
00:34:08.31\00:34:09.80
and that's probably why
we put it off till last.
00:34:09.83\00:34:13.14
But it's just a passion I have
00:34:13.17\00:34:14.96
to try to just
speak from my heart
00:34:14.99\00:34:16.51
to the college age, young people
that are making decisions.
00:34:16.54\00:34:21.26
Now, tonight's
subject was what is truth?
00:34:21.29\00:34:23.95
What is tomorrow
night? Where did we come from?
00:34:23.98\00:34:26.83
All right and then Sabbath
morning. Why is there evil?
00:34:26.86\00:34:30.71
Okay and then--
How to know God's will?
00:34:30.74\00:34:34.02
That's Saturday
time. Saturday time. Okay.
00:34:34.05\00:34:37.40
Yeah, if you wanted
to pick four-- Yeah.
00:34:37.43\00:34:39.99
That's four key one
asked by this demographic.
00:34:40.02\00:34:44.94
What am I going
to do with my life?
00:34:44.97\00:34:46.34
What's the God will?
Where did I come from?
00:34:46.37\00:34:48.23
Where am I
going? Why I'm I here?
00:34:48.26\00:34:49.79
What's about tomorrow?
00:34:49.82\00:34:51.66
Really four great topics,
very pertinent topics. Yeah.
00:34:51.69\00:34:54.66
And so I appreciate your prayers
00:34:54.69\00:34:56.06
because again I don't feel
like I have all the answers.
00:34:56.09\00:34:59.00
I mean, I know what I believe
about those things. Sure.
00:34:59.03\00:35:01.82
But this is probably
the most sophisticated group
00:35:01.85\00:35:07.02
and environment
for these presentations
00:35:07.05\00:35:09.14
because they are all
asking those questions now
00:35:09.17\00:35:12.45
and they're
hearing so many voices.
00:35:12.48\00:35:13.85
You know Doug, I was
studying the audience
00:35:13.88\00:35:15.93
while you were speaking,
00:35:15.96\00:35:17.33
I was listening very
carefully to you as well,
00:35:17.36\00:35:19.53
but I was watching
them, you had their attention.
00:35:19.56\00:35:22.50
This you felt it when--
if you even uttered something
00:35:22.53\00:35:27.04
that was a little humorous
they were right with you.
00:35:27.07\00:35:30.60
But they were watching
00:35:30.63\00:35:32.18
and you know,
there's always the kid
00:35:32.21\00:35:35.71
that maybe stayed up
too late the night before
00:35:35.74\00:35:37.93
and they're gonna--I don't
care what audience you're in,
00:35:37.96\00:35:40.53
you're gonna
find a few of those.
00:35:40.56\00:35:42.24
But I saw very few. For the
most part, they were riveted,
00:35:42.27\00:35:47.88
the ones that
wanted to be here were here
00:35:47.91\00:35:50.69
and the ones that are
seeking answers were listening.
00:35:50.72\00:35:54.94
And on top of that of course
you had the television audience
00:35:54.97\00:35:58.65
which around the
world, we believe a lot,
00:35:58.68\00:36:02.06
we know,
sometimes people ask us,
00:36:02.09\00:36:05.47
why don't you just ask 3ABN,
you just preach with the choir.
00:36:05.50\00:36:09.41
Now our studies have shown us
00:36:09.44\00:36:11.04
that our audience is only 3/10th
of 1% Seventh-day Adventist.
00:36:11.07\00:36:18.60
The rest of our audience
are not members of our group.
00:36:18.63\00:36:23.43
And that's shocking to
people but they don't realize
00:36:23.46\00:36:26.48
that we're on 1200 cable
outlets in North America.
00:36:26.51\00:36:29.85
We're on 150 stations
that are downlink stations
00:36:29.88\00:36:33.78
and you know how
effective those are
00:36:33.81\00:36:36.22
because you one
right there in Sacramento.
00:36:36.25\00:36:39.56
And the one in Las
Vegas, they baptize a 100 people
00:36:39.59\00:36:42.78
a year off of that
particular station there.
00:36:42.81\00:36:46.07
Tyler, Texas, they get a
whole bunch off of that one.
00:36:46.10\00:36:49.78
So we know where they
report to us what they're doing,
00:36:49.81\00:36:53.52
how effective
those stations are?
00:36:53.55\00:36:55.96
And then nine
satellites around the world
00:36:55.99\00:36:58.88
and in so many
places around the world,
00:36:58.91\00:37:01.37
they have free to air.
00:37:01.40\00:37:02.77
Everybody can get the satellite,
00:37:02.80\00:37:04.71
they don't just
not like around here.
00:37:04.74\00:37:08.22
So they're able to pick them up.
00:37:08.25\00:37:10.61
Either their cable picks
them up or everybody has a dish
00:37:10.64\00:37:15.32
and picks up the major--
00:37:15.35\00:37:17.90
just like you get
direct TV and dish here,
00:37:17.93\00:37:20.45
well, they get it
there but they get it free.
00:37:20.48\00:37:22.47
So we're on those satellites
00:37:22.50\00:37:25.05
and people are
watching around the world.
00:37:25.08\00:37:27.86
So tonight there was no
telling how many individuals
00:37:27.89\00:37:31.84
were watching as you
presented that message.
00:37:31.87\00:37:35.21
And I thought it was powerful,
00:37:35.24\00:37:36.61
when you brought those two young
people up that was fantastic.
00:37:36.64\00:37:40.23
It was really good.
00:37:40.26\00:37:43.38
Surely I don't
think you staged that,
00:37:43.41\00:37:45.38
you may have but
I don't think so.
00:37:45.41\00:37:47.21
Well, I--they didn't
know, they were coming up
00:37:47.24\00:37:49.49
and I didn't
know until that moment
00:37:49.52\00:37:50.89
who we're gonna call on so.
00:37:50.92\00:37:52.30
Yeah, I think if you had,
00:37:52.33\00:37:53.70
you'd have asked that
guy to wear some pants.
00:37:53.73\00:37:55.10
But anyway, they were great.
00:37:55.13\00:37:59.60
Those young people
were just fabulous.
00:37:59.63\00:38:01.00
It was a great illustration,
it really was. Yeah.
00:38:01.03\00:38:02.48
Now you're husband of own wife,
you have how many children?
00:38:02.51\00:38:05.66
Well, we had six, we lost
one, so we have five children.
00:38:05.69\00:38:09.31
One is college age, they
range from 16 is the youngest,
00:38:09.34\00:38:13.89
I just started driving so
stay off the sidewalk. Yeah.
00:38:13.92\00:38:16.91
See my point is that,
00:38:16.94\00:38:18.31
this stuff is not experimental
or theoretical for you.
00:38:18.34\00:38:21.04
This is stuff you're
living at your house everyday,
00:38:21.07\00:38:22.93
as far as trying
to train and teach
00:38:22.96\00:38:25.51
and encourage
this age demographic.
00:38:25.54\00:38:27.43
This is the stuff that
you'd deal with all the time,
00:38:27.46\00:38:29.12
it's not theory for you. Right.
00:38:29.15\00:38:30.58
Now we've-- we've had the--
00:38:30.61\00:38:31.98
the bulk of them
are actually older now
00:38:32.01\00:38:33.91
and they got
children of their own.
00:38:33.94\00:38:35.31
I've got six grandchildren
00:38:35.34\00:38:37.04
and so I remember when they
were in this age group-- Yes.
00:38:37.07\00:38:40.43
And just how-- it's so crucial,
00:38:40.46\00:38:46.11
there're so many things
that they're evaluating,
00:38:46.14\00:38:48.93
there are so many voices.
00:38:48.96\00:38:50.33
I remember when
I was at this age,
00:38:50.36\00:38:51.73
you know, you get to be 17, 18
00:38:51.76\00:38:53.59
and you start
really thinking about life.
00:38:53.62\00:38:56.15
When you're out of house,
00:38:56.18\00:38:57.55
you're so excited just to
be out of the house. Oh, yes.
00:38:57.58\00:38:59.31
Then you go wild
for a little while.
00:38:59.34\00:39:00.71
And just say, ah, freedom,
what am I gonna do with it?
00:39:00.74\00:39:02.82
And then the novelty
that wears off and you think,
00:39:02.85\00:39:05.55
"Okay, I'm on my own now.
00:39:05.58\00:39:08.07
What am I gonna
do with my life?"
00:39:08.10\00:39:09.82
And it can be
shocking the reality of that.
00:39:09.85\00:39:12.75
And you say, "I better
figure out what's going on."
00:39:12.78\00:39:14.85
Yeah, yeah. What is
the purpose of life?
00:39:14.88\00:39:16.77
Yeah. And I think you know,
00:39:16.80\00:39:18.17
just because you're
on a Christian campus,
00:39:18.20\00:39:20.05
it doesn't mean
you're Christian.
00:39:20.08\00:39:21.45
Certainly the environment here
facilitates growth in Christ.
00:39:21.48\00:39:25.70
But it doesn't
guarantee that everybody
00:39:25.73\00:39:27.10
that sits in these chairs
00:39:27.13\00:39:28.50
has a working
relationship with the Lord.
00:39:28.53\00:39:29.92
And programs like
yours help facilitate that,
00:39:29.95\00:39:32.74
I think it's a worthwhile thing.
00:39:32.77\00:39:35.03
Yeah, we've got be careful
not to take it for granted
00:39:35.06\00:39:37.09
as you said that,
somehow by our osmosis
00:39:37.12\00:39:40.59
everybody is going
to come to know Jesus.
00:39:40.62\00:39:43.73
I think we need to make very
simple gospel presentations.
00:39:43.76\00:39:46.28
I remember Pastor
Gilley, you said something
00:39:46.31\00:39:48.44
when we were doing the
Amazing Adventure program.
00:39:48.47\00:39:51.06
You know, as you target even
the you know 8 to 12 year olds,
00:39:51.09\00:39:56.13
it's gonna finally
make sense for some adults.
00:39:56.16\00:39:58.23
Oh, and this we--you cannot
imagine the number of letters
00:39:58.26\00:40:02.49
I got from individuals,
who said, Jim, when you in,
00:40:02.52\00:40:06.80
and they name some of the
big time evangel, even yourself.
00:40:06.83\00:40:09.61
When they present this message,
00:40:09.64\00:40:12.07
I could never really--
it never made sense for me.
00:40:12.10\00:40:15.60
But when they did it they said,
00:40:15.63\00:40:17.03
"You got to understand,
we're not all theologians"
00:40:17.06\00:40:19.88
and some of us have not studied
the Bible at all in our lives
00:40:19.91\00:40:23.21
and we may be 50 years old but
we're not educated in this area.
00:40:23.24\00:40:27.79
So when Pastor Doug made
it simple for those kids,
00:40:27.82\00:40:32.01
they said for the
first time in my life,
00:40:32.04\00:40:34.21
"I understood what
they were talking about."
00:40:34.24\00:40:37.82
So adults are getting
it and God has given you
00:40:37.85\00:40:42.16
a gift of looking--going
beyond these generations.
00:40:42.19\00:40:46.63
You're able to talk
and people who are older,
00:40:46.66\00:40:49.64
love you and they support your
ministry and so do the kids.
00:40:49.67\00:40:53.79
And I mentioned it
when we were introducing you
00:40:53.82\00:40:57.97
tonight on the program.
00:40:58.00\00:40:59.98
A lady came to me
just this last week.
00:41:00.01\00:41:02.44
I was in Summerville
which is just out of Charleston.
00:41:02.47\00:41:06.20
And she said, you know,
00:41:06.23\00:41:08.07
"when I read that
book "Richest Caveman."
00:41:08.10\00:41:12.20
She said, "that
book changed my life",
00:41:12.23\00:41:15.32
she said, "that is
the most interesting book
00:41:15.35\00:41:18.55
I've ever read," she
says, "I read a lot."
00:41:18.58\00:41:21.26
But said, "that book, I
could not put that book down."
00:41:21.29\00:41:25.20
And it helped me to have
00:41:25.23\00:41:27.35
a real relationship
with the Lord Jesus Christ.
00:41:27.38\00:41:30.17
And I know that early
on my youngest daughter,
00:41:30.20\00:41:35.01
mentioned that to me
that she had read that
00:41:35.04\00:41:37.84
as like a kid in school and--
what an impact that had on her.
00:41:37.87\00:41:43.45
So sharing that
experience, might even be that,
00:41:43.48\00:41:47.96
you may need to come out
with the new edition of that
00:41:47.99\00:41:49.92
or something and
talk about the very--
00:41:49.95\00:41:53.91
the very richest
caveman or something like that.
00:41:53.94\00:41:56.89
But maybe you update some of the
chapters in what God has done.
00:41:56.92\00:42:02.04
But that book has impacted
a lot of people's lifestyle.
00:42:02.07\00:42:05.56
Let me ask you
few question and Doug,
00:42:05.59\00:42:06.96
at the risk of embarrassing you
00:42:06.99\00:42:09.25
because self evaluation
is always gonna difficult.
00:42:09.28\00:42:11.76
Over and over we've heard,
00:42:11.79\00:42:13.95
people have come to
3ABN and come to the church,
00:42:13.98\00:42:16.92
there maybe three or
four names that they will tout
00:42:16.95\00:42:19.98
as having made
it so clear to them
00:42:20.01\00:42:22.43
or making the
message so compelling to them
00:42:22.46\00:42:24.55
that they really
could not resist it.
00:42:24.58\00:42:26.21
Invariably, one of those three
or four names is your name.
00:42:26.24\00:42:28.64
That's right.
00:42:28.67\00:42:30.04
You seem to have this
gift, given to you by God
00:42:30.07\00:42:31.99
to make things
very plain, very simple,
00:42:32.02\00:42:34.40
cross-generationally accessible.
00:42:34.43\00:42:37.58
When you began to
construct your ministry,
00:42:37.61\00:42:39.91
was it something you
purposefully chose to do,
00:42:39.94\00:42:42.85
did you just fall into that, did
you ask the Lord for that gift
00:42:42.88\00:42:45.61
because I think,
Jim, will agree. Yeah.
00:42:45.64\00:42:47.35
They are two or
three, four names
00:42:47.38\00:42:48.76
and your name is
always one of them.
00:42:48.79\00:42:50.16
God has given you that gift.
00:42:50.19\00:42:51.56
Was it something you tried to do
00:42:51.59\00:42:52.96
or you just fell into that
or it was easy for you to do?
00:42:52.99\00:42:57.57
You know, I don't know--
00:42:57.60\00:42:58.97
I've never really
thought about strategically,
00:42:59.00\00:43:01.56
about how did that happen?
00:43:01.59\00:43:03.98
I would just say, I
just thank the Lord that,
00:43:04.01\00:43:06.80
I had the mother I had.
00:43:06.83\00:43:08.50
Now not everything I
learnt from my mother
00:43:08.53\00:43:11.00
I could teach in church.
00:43:11.03\00:43:13.11
But my mother was a very lucid
communicator and I just grew up.
00:43:13.14\00:43:18.91
She always said way
in the simplest terms
00:43:18.94\00:43:21.28
what she was thinking,
but she could be profound,
00:43:21.31\00:43:24.37
you know, she could
write some profound things,
00:43:24.40\00:43:26.20
but she could also
make it really simple
00:43:26.23\00:43:27.60
and so I just thank the
Lord for the family I had.
00:43:27.63\00:43:30.86
And, mother and
father, my dad was very direct
00:43:30.89\00:43:34.07
and my mom was more of a poet
and a lyricist so, I don't know.
00:43:34.10\00:43:38.89
Yeah. I just thank the
Lord, people understand,
00:43:38.92\00:43:40.41
I'm amazed, they do.
00:43:40.44\00:43:41.81
Yeah, the word out of the street
is when Doug's done you know it.
00:43:41.84\00:43:44.48
And that's true.
Praise the Lord. Yeah.
00:43:44.51\00:43:46.62
I just--it's been
a privilege for me
00:43:46.65\00:43:48.24
to be involved in ministry
00:43:48.27\00:43:50.22
and I really appreciate
it our working together.
00:43:50.25\00:43:53.25
I was watching in one of the
net 99 programs this last week
00:43:53.28\00:43:56.84
and they took an audience
shot and there you were.
00:43:56.87\00:43:58.93
I stopped it,
actually I stopped it,
00:43:58.96\00:44:00.56
I have the DVR thing so I
could stop it and he said,
00:44:00.59\00:44:02.75
"hi, C. A." We were there.
00:44:02.78\00:44:04.15
We both had more hair back then.
00:44:04.18\00:44:06.05
Yeah, 99 we did.
00:44:06.08\00:44:09.88
I remember those meetings
very well in New York City.
00:44:09.91\00:44:12.17
Well, I can tell you
the names of the individuals
00:44:12.20\00:44:14.44
that we hear about
yours, Lyle Albrecht,
00:44:14.47\00:44:18.79
David
Asscherick and Kenneth Cox.
00:44:18.82\00:44:21.44
These are the four that I
hear more than any others.
00:44:21.47\00:44:25.38
With in always the ones
00:44:25.41\00:44:27.51
who're presenting the
message, the full message.
00:44:27.54\00:44:31.88
And sometimes we get the idea
00:44:31.91\00:44:36.27
that people want
to hear other things
00:44:36.30\00:44:39.47
and some of the
theological stuffs
00:44:39.50\00:44:42.82
that come long that they
want to get involved with that.
00:44:42.85\00:44:47.03
We find that they want
to hear is the Sabbath,
00:44:47.06\00:44:49.69
the State of the Dead and
our basic beliefs explained
00:44:49.72\00:44:55.21
and these are the most
popular programs that we have,
00:44:55.24\00:44:58.82
even though we have
lots of programs on 3ABN.
00:44:58.85\00:45:03.18
But you know, the amazing thing,
00:45:03.21\00:45:04.58
I remember when
you began to preach
00:45:04.61\00:45:06.48
and I think a
fellow by name of Miller,
00:45:06.51\00:45:09.29
Cyril Miller had faith in you.
00:45:09.32\00:45:11.54
Cyril has not been well lately.
00:45:11.57\00:45:13.29
He's very sick,
been in the hospital,
00:45:13.32\00:45:16.28
they've moved him down
to a convalescent hospital,
00:45:16.31\00:45:20.14
but he's struggling to hold on.
00:45:20.17\00:45:22.17
His mind is still sharp and
his ideas are still right there.
00:45:22.20\00:45:26.86
And I know I have appreciated
his ministry so much.
00:45:26.89\00:45:31.79
And he has had a lot to do with
putting your name in at times
00:45:31.82\00:45:39.65
in the right
place and the right time
00:45:39.68\00:45:41.31
by saying good
things about Doug Batchelor.
00:45:41.34\00:45:44.09
Well, of course, Cyril
Miller also most people
00:45:44.12\00:45:46.96
when they think of
Amazing Facts they think well,
00:45:46.99\00:45:48.67
Joe Crews founded Amazing Facts.
00:45:48.70\00:45:51.54
But it was really
Cyril Miller and Bill May,
00:45:51.57\00:45:54.28
that got together and
they called Joe Crews,
00:45:54.31\00:45:56.26
so we've got a crazy idea.
And he turned it down at first.
00:45:56.29\00:45:58.61
First time he thought
that was a harebrain idea.
00:45:58.64\00:46:00.64
He said, you got so crazy.
00:46:00.67\00:46:03.06
But they talked him into it
00:46:03.09\00:46:05.38
and then Joe
threw his life into it
00:46:05.41\00:46:08.69
and when Joe was
there the Amazing Facts
00:46:08.72\00:46:12.60
became partners with
Danny Shelton and 3ABN.
00:46:12.63\00:46:16.11
And then that
partnership has increased
00:46:16.14\00:46:20.59
since you became a
partner of Amazing Facts.
00:46:20.62\00:46:24.01
But how long
you've been there now?
00:46:24.04\00:46:26.85
This year is 18 years. 18 years.
00:46:26.88\00:46:29.14
In November it's 18
years. Wow, praise God.
00:46:29.17\00:46:31.79
You know, you
mentioned us again tonight that,
00:46:31.82\00:46:34.05
you came from fairly comfortable
beginnings and background.
00:46:34.08\00:46:38.44
But that Amazing
Facts stands on its own.
00:46:38.47\00:46:40.59
It didn't rise up
00:46:40.62\00:46:41.99
because Doug Batchelor
threw a lot of cash into it.
00:46:42.02\00:46:43.91
It was a ministry called by God
that you were given that mantle
00:46:43.94\00:46:47.75
and just picked it up and
sort of ran with it. Yes, yeah.
00:46:47.78\00:46:51.59
Sometimes I've had people say,
00:46:51.62\00:46:52.99
"Oh, Pastor Doug,
you're dad is very wealthy
00:46:53.02\00:46:55.69
and he's got this foundation,"
00:46:55.72\00:46:57.09
but not a penny of my
dad's foundation money
00:46:57.12\00:47:00.00
has gone to me
or to Amazing Facts.
00:47:00.03\00:47:01.92
It's set up so it's
meant for environmental,
00:47:01.95\00:47:05.74
humanitarian, medical
and educational and--so yeah,
00:47:05.77\00:47:12.35
I hope people aren't
misguided Amazing Facts
00:47:12.38\00:47:14.61
like 3ABN is entirely
supported by just people
00:47:14.64\00:47:17.84
who watch and
participate. Yeah, yeah.
00:47:17.87\00:47:20.79
How is your channel going man?
00:47:20.82\00:47:22.43
Had the Lord's blessing, yeah,
00:47:22.46\00:47:25.32
you know, it's growing
00:47:25.35\00:47:26.77
and as I'm sure
you're seeing things
00:47:26.80\00:47:28.71
grow exponentially
with 3ABN. Oh, yes.
00:47:28.74\00:47:30.35
There's people and--we found
the same thing that you found.
00:47:30.38\00:47:33.75
And we look at the
responses to programs
00:47:33.78\00:47:36.12
and you know, when you preach
one of the generic subjects,
00:47:36.15\00:47:39.74
you can talk about baptism
and you'll have some interest.
00:47:39.77\00:47:42.47
But you talk about things
like what happens when you die--
00:47:42.50\00:47:45.72
Or the Sabbath truth
or the Mark of Beast,
00:47:45.75\00:47:49.15
through some of these--
00:47:49.18\00:47:50.55
people are hungry to
know the difficult subjects.
00:47:50.58\00:47:53.98
And we just see the interests
00:47:54.01\00:47:55.38
and requests spike for
those subjects. Yeah, yeah.
00:47:55.41\00:47:58.80
So it seems that
in these last days
00:47:58.83\00:48:00.21
people don't want
to dance or waffle.
00:48:00.24\00:48:01.84
They want you to
give them whole truth,
00:48:01.87\00:48:03.24
nothing but the
truth and give it straight.
00:48:03.27\00:48:04.74
People appreciate when
you boldly share the truth.
00:48:04.77\00:48:08.45
Praise God. Praise God.
00:48:08.48\00:48:09.96
What do you see down the road
for the future of Amazing Facts
00:48:09.99\00:48:14.49
for maybe, some
specials like this,
00:48:14.52\00:48:16.98
that you might be thinking
about or on the drawing board
00:48:17.01\00:48:20.78
or in the back of your mind.
00:48:20.81\00:48:23.05
Yeah, what are you
thinking about this time?
00:48:23.08\00:48:26.61
Well, I tell you,
there's a couple of things,
00:48:26.64\00:48:28.69
one of course I was thinking
about why we're sitting there,
00:48:28.72\00:48:31.25
we've done programs together
00:48:31.28\00:48:32.77
for the little kids
with Ms. Brenda. Yeah.
00:48:32.80\00:48:34.55
We did one in Sacramento
00:48:34.58\00:48:36.27
and then we did of
course the elementary school,
00:48:36.30\00:48:39.12
high school, college.
00:48:39.15\00:48:40.52
We've done lots of
programs for the adults,
00:48:40.55\00:48:43.32
during that time.
00:48:43.35\00:48:44.72
My real passion is--
you know, I love the Bible,
00:48:44.75\00:48:47.55
but I especially love looking
at the Old Testament stories
00:48:47.58\00:48:51.99
and seeing the gospel and Jesus
in the Old Testament. Agreed.
00:48:52.02\00:48:56.27
And I'd love to do a
series that just really talks
00:48:56.30\00:48:58.59
about Christ
throughout the Bible. Okay.
00:48:58.62\00:49:01.18
And so I'm really
excited about that.
00:49:01.21\00:49:03.18
I don't know that we
do an age specific series,
00:49:03.21\00:49:06.42
we've every year, almost
every fall for--since '04, '05.
00:49:06.45\00:49:10.60
Matter of fact we did the
'04 -'05 meeting in Chattanooga.
00:49:10.63\00:49:13.05
Yeah. Oh, yes that's right.
00:49:13.08\00:49:14.45
And so that's 9
years ago-- Yeah.
00:49:14.48\00:49:16.10
We've done something just
about every year since then.
00:49:16.13\00:49:19.14
Well, you know, we did the
one last year at your church,
00:49:19.17\00:49:22.85
were you had the white and
black-- Doctrines that Divide.
00:49:22.88\00:49:26.00
Yeah. Yes, yes.
00:49:26.03\00:49:27.40
And Pastor Barney. Oh, yeah.
00:49:27.43\00:49:32.61
Barney V. I think
that's what I called him,
00:49:32.64\00:49:35.16
but you really I thought did an
excellent job with that series.
00:49:35.19\00:49:41.33
And of entering
during giving both sides
00:49:41.36\00:49:45.16
of some of these
questions that people have.
00:49:45.19\00:49:49.31
And we had a very good
response from that 3ABN.
00:49:49.34\00:49:52.64
It was easy for me to
behave schizophrenically.
00:49:52.67\00:49:56.03
Yeah, I got it.
00:49:56.06\00:49:57.91
Quite natural. It
came natural. Yeah.
00:49:57.94\00:50:00.34
I think once they got
out over the half black,
00:50:00.37\00:50:02.16
half white suit
and settled down,
00:50:02.19\00:50:04.22
there was a lot
of good information
00:50:04.25\00:50:05.62
and that was an excellent
series it really was, yeah.
00:50:05.65\00:50:07.31
I was--recently have
that suit. I was so impressed
00:50:07.34\00:50:09.25
that seamstress did
such a masterful job,
00:50:09.28\00:50:11.22
we brought two suits, brought
black one and brought white one
00:50:11.25\00:50:13.16
and she just split it
right down in the middle.
00:50:13.19\00:50:14.56
Right down in the middle.
00:50:14.59\00:50:16.14
Well, when I got
there and saw it,
00:50:16.17\00:50:18.72
I might have had a
heart attack but I because--
00:50:18.75\00:50:22.03
Did you get very many complaints
about the odd uniform?
00:50:22.06\00:50:24.80
You know, we get complaints
on every thing, I mean,
00:50:24.83\00:50:27.10
I have people that
complain about me constantly
00:50:27.13\00:50:30.58
and so we always get
a few but not very many.
00:50:30.61\00:50:33.73
I mean you know we are more
positive--more positive things
00:50:33.76\00:50:37.11
that were said than anything.
00:50:37.14\00:50:39.87
Those who got it,
got it right away. Yeah.
00:50:39.90\00:50:41.48
But there were some
letters so we brought along
00:50:41.51\00:50:43.05
because I turned on
that night and what is he--
00:50:43.08\00:50:47.14
But did you watch?
00:50:47.17\00:50:48.54
I did, I didn't
turn away. Yeah. Right.
00:50:48.57\00:50:50.43
I think that you know, we
want to get peoples attention,
00:50:50.46\00:50:52.86
television is the
visual medium-- True.
00:50:52.89\00:50:56.64
So how could they visually
see I'm really two people.
00:50:56.67\00:50:58.44
Yeah. Right.
00:50:58.47\00:51:00.49
I think it was very
unique and truthfully we have--
00:51:00.52\00:51:05.34
maybe one or two people
and that is very, very--
00:51:05.37\00:51:09.43
That's a good ratio.
00:51:09.46\00:51:10.83
That's good, believe me. Yeah.
00:51:10.86\00:51:12.23
And when I kid, I tease about
people giving me hard time,
00:51:12.26\00:51:15.33
they really don't,
they're very gracious.
00:51:15.36\00:51:17.83
And when they give me a
hard time I usually deserve it
00:51:17.86\00:51:20.98
and so I write back
and say you're right.
00:51:21.01\00:51:23.53
And please forgive me,
I'll try not to do that again
00:51:23.56\00:51:27.60
and I'll probably writing a lot
of those letters after tonight,
00:51:27.63\00:51:31.40
but because we've
stepped on some toes probably,
00:51:31.43\00:51:35.84
but you know, I
just feel like that
00:51:35.87\00:51:39.77
sometimes you need
to open up your heart
00:51:39.80\00:51:41.68
and Night Light is
the time when we do that.
00:51:41.71\00:51:44.97
We say what's on our
minds, what's on our hearts,
00:51:45.00\00:51:49.01
and we bring people along
and ask them to do just that.
00:51:49.04\00:51:52.74
Dr. Jim Marcum just shared
some things a few minutes ago
00:51:52.77\00:51:56.31
that I'm sure some
of his medical partners
00:51:56.34\00:52:00.64
would kind of
cringe. Yeah, cringe.
00:52:00.67\00:52:02.77
Yes, indeed.
00:52:02.80\00:52:04.17
At some of things he said.
00:52:04.20\00:52:05.57
Doug, just
question, because you--
00:52:05.60\00:52:06.97
you also write
really quite a lot.
00:52:07.00\00:52:08.49
You pastor a church,
you do Sabbath school
00:52:08.52\00:52:11.33
which is loved around the world.
00:52:11.36\00:52:13.32
You write a lot, you preach
a lot, and you're going a lot.
00:52:13.35\00:52:15.52
How do you structure
your day to get everything
00:52:15.55\00:52:17.57
and still hold on to
relationship with Christ,
00:52:17.60\00:52:19.18
because you're
stretched in so many directions?
00:52:19.21\00:52:21.41
A lot of them, free
offers we get are Doug Batchelor
00:52:21.44\00:52:24.72
or give it away rather,
Doug Batchelor or Doug Batchelor
00:52:24.75\00:52:26.90
and somebody else, so
you write voraciously,
00:52:26.93\00:52:28.59
you write a lot and then
you teach the Sabbath school,
00:52:28.62\00:52:30.92
then you pastor a church.
00:52:30.95\00:52:32.32
And then you're
going a lot to preach.
00:52:32.35\00:52:33.72
How do you get
all that together,
00:52:33.75\00:52:35.12
still maintaining a working
relationship with Jesus Christ?
00:52:35.15\00:52:38.33
Well, first of all, I couldn't
do without an incredible team.
00:52:38.36\00:52:43.03
A lot of the
writing, I'll do a sermon,
00:52:43.06\00:52:45.59
we transcribe it
and I have friends then
00:52:45.62\00:52:47.61
that will be help me
to organize the material.
00:52:47.64\00:52:49.61
I don't want to pretend. I
don't have anyone ghost rights,
00:52:49.64\00:52:51.86
all the material is mine.
00:52:51.89\00:52:53.41
But I do get help
sometimes in editing things
00:52:53.44\00:52:56.25
and putting them together or
I couldn't keep up with that.
00:52:56.28\00:52:58.21
Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:58.24\00:52:59.90
And I try my best,
you know, like I said,
00:52:59.93\00:53:02.36
if my wife is
watching, she'll say, yeah,
00:53:02.39\00:53:03.95
I want to hear
the answer to this.
00:53:03.98\00:53:05.82
Because I'm not sure I do
get the balance that I need,
00:53:05.85\00:53:09.54
but I trying to be pretty
religious about my tiny tweak,
00:53:09.57\00:53:13.18
I measure how much time
00:53:13.21\00:53:14.58
I spend with the
church, with Amazing Facts.
00:53:14.61\00:53:17.18
I have to have some
time to rest and exercise.
00:53:17.21\00:53:19.93
And I wake up
early so that before
00:53:19.96\00:53:22.92
anyone else in the family is
up, I'm studying, I'm writing.
00:53:22.95\00:53:25.54
That's when I get most of my
work done early in the morning.
00:53:25.57\00:53:26.97
Yeah. When you said
early, what is your--
00:53:27.00\00:53:28.37
what time does your day begin?
00:53:28.40\00:53:29.77
5:30 to 6:00. Okay.
00:53:29.80\00:53:31.25
And like, you know,
it depends on where I am.
00:53:31.28\00:53:35.17
Felt real early when I came
to college there waken up. Yeah.
00:53:35.20\00:53:38.63
I taught a class at
the college this morning
00:53:38.66\00:53:41.37
and got up at you know 7
o'clock, which felt like 4.
00:53:41.40\00:53:44.66
Yeah. Yeah. It actually was.
00:53:44.69\00:53:47.45
You've always kept
in pretty good shape,
00:53:47.48\00:53:48.85
what's your
exercise routine like?
00:53:48.88\00:53:51.08
Karen and I walk
around the neighborhood
00:53:51.11\00:53:52.52
and I play racquetball.
00:53:52.55\00:53:53.92
That's--I jog a little bit
but I get bored jogging. Yeah.
00:53:53.95\00:53:57.78
And so, I enjoy walking
around the neighborhood.
00:53:57.81\00:54:01.20
Karen and I walk and talk and
hold hands a couple days a week
00:54:01.23\00:54:05.05
and I like to go slug it out
00:54:05.08\00:54:07.38
on the racquetball
court with Pastor Ross
00:54:07.41\00:54:09.08
and I've been
playing at the campus here
00:54:09.11\00:54:10.75
with some of the
people in the community.
00:54:10.78\00:54:14.42
And that's a pretty--
that's a good exercise.
00:54:14.45\00:54:17.33
You work every muscle in
your body playing racquetball.
00:54:17.36\00:54:19.73
Oh yeah, you do, you do.
00:54:19.76\00:54:21.43
We are so
thankful for Amazing Facts.
00:54:21.46\00:54:23.28
You've got a long and
exemplary track record
00:54:23.31\00:54:26.84
and it's the partnerships
has been good for us
00:54:26.87\00:54:28.66
and hopefully
good for you guys also.
00:54:28.69\00:54:30.13
It's been a blessing.
00:54:30.16\00:54:31.53
We praise the Lord so much for
3ABN and for this relationship.
00:54:31.56\00:54:35.83
And it's fun that we've
had this history together
00:54:35.86\00:54:37.59
doing these programs, targeting
the different age groups
00:54:37.62\00:54:40.43
and really appreciate people's
prayers for this series.
00:54:40.46\00:54:44.06
We're just in the infancy
of these four presentations.
00:54:44.09\00:54:46.62
Got to ask you, did you
know that it was exam week
00:54:46.65\00:54:48.60
when you structured this week?
00:54:48.63\00:54:50.42
Did you know you
were up against exams?
00:54:50.45\00:54:51.82
You know, I did know because
when we coordinated with GYC,
00:54:51.85\00:54:55.50
but it was the only window.
00:54:55.53\00:54:57.46
And since it was a short
series I think as you said,
00:54:57.49\00:55:00.99
I think we're gonna be
full for the next week--
00:55:01.02\00:55:02.51
Yeah, weekend. Yeah.
00:55:02.54\00:55:03.91
We just praise the Lord. Yeah.
00:55:03.94\00:55:05.31
And we were strong tonight
00:55:05.34\00:55:06.71
but there are
3,300 students here too.
00:55:06.74\00:55:09.90
And I tell you a lot
of them were here, Doug.
00:55:09.93\00:55:15.50
When we started I wasn't sure--
00:55:15.53\00:55:17.96
They come in at the last minute.
00:55:17.99\00:55:19.36
It looked like
the auditorium at 3ABN
00:55:19.39\00:55:22.14
when we were
doing the series there.
00:55:22.17\00:55:23.92
But before we knew
it, the people came in
00:55:23.95\00:55:27.37
and when they went out it took
a while for them all to get out
00:55:27.40\00:55:31.81
because they was
quite a crowd here.
00:55:31.84\00:55:33.70
I think you went out
and greeted some folks.
00:55:33.73\00:55:35.56
Yeah, I took some time, wanted
to go visit with the students
00:55:35.59\00:55:38.90
and I really enjoy
the-- inspired me with--
00:55:38.93\00:55:43.39
inject me with a
little bit of that youth.
00:55:43.42\00:55:45.02
Right. Well, they do.
00:55:45.05\00:55:47.10
They are amazing
and very inspiring.
00:55:47.13\00:55:50.03
And this evening has been very
inspiring for me, C. A. Oh, yes.
00:55:50.06\00:55:54.64
And it's great to
visit with Doug, of course,
00:55:54.67\00:55:58.46
and with Dr. Marcum and
with-- Steven Ruf and-- Right.
00:55:58.49\00:56:02.58
Doctor Bietz, It's my
first time meeting him.
00:56:02.61\00:56:04.29
You knew him. Yes.
00:56:04.32\00:56:05.69
Dignified man
and I like the idea
00:56:05.72\00:56:07.11
that he is
intentional about setting
00:56:07.14\00:56:09.26
a culture and use
a term conservative.
00:56:09.29\00:56:11.44
We shouldn't back away
00:56:11.47\00:56:12.84
from that are we
squibbish about that term.
00:56:12.87\00:56:14.47
But that's the kind of culture
00:56:14.50\00:56:15.87
he wants to set it
for young people-- Yes.
00:56:15.90\00:56:17.54
Who they're gonna send
out to face the dark world.
00:56:17.57\00:56:20.08
His first cousin is a fellow
by the name of Kurt Kruger
00:56:20.11\00:56:24.90
and he married my daughter.
00:56:24.93\00:56:26.57
So, I am not
blood related to Gordon
00:56:26.60\00:56:32.07
but we do know him
through that family.
00:56:32.10\00:56:36.05
And of course I've
know him through his brother
00:56:36.08\00:56:37.70
even before then through Dwayne.
00:56:37.73\00:56:39.73
Well, listen,
it's been a great time.
00:56:39.76\00:56:42.62
We've enjoyed being here.
00:56:42.65\00:56:45.15
We do want you to
call us and still there's--
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operator is still there,
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618-627-4651.
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Dough, I'm gonna give you
this one and I want you to--
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Oh, thank you. To
keep about your work this.
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H.M.S. Richards
quoted this often,
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a lot of people have gotten it.
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We honestly
don't know who wrote it
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but we--mine was given
to me by E.E. Cleveland.
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So, it's been
around for a while.
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Folks, it's
something worth having.
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Thank you for your
support, for your prayers.
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Continue to pray for 3ABN
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and we will
continue to pray for you
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as you let us know your
needs. May God bless you.
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Keep on, keeping on
with Jesus Christ, our Lord.
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