Hi, how are you?
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We are coming to you live
from Israel, from Jerusalem
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and as we've
been told Pastor Jim,
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the heart of the city,
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almost the heart of the world.
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And we welcome you to a very
special edition of "Night Light"
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coming to you from Israel.
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This is very exciting
time for us. It really is.
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And we've been here for a week
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and I have a
few more days that--
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to visit in Israel
and we're seeing a lot
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of very wonderful
and interesting things.
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Not your first trip
here, it's your second trip.
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Well, I tend to space mine out.
My first one was 38 years ago.
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And it's my 22nd trip here.
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A lot of people
wonder why in the world
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I'm hung up on coming.
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Maybe towards the end we'll
let you--we'll talk about that.
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But more importantly
we want to talk about
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God's work in this area
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because it is going forward
really in a very fine way
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in comparison to what
it has been in years past.
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Because there has been a time
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when converts came
may be one a year in--
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in a country like Israel
or if hopefully two years.
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I have talked with missionaries
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and they have
worked in fields like this
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who worked their
whole ministry 25, 30 years
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and we're fortunate if they had
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10, 15 converts
during that particular time.
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However, we're
seeing a different day now.
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We're seeing
things start to happen.
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We're seeing things
open up and it's thrilling.
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There are many people
who come into the church here
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who eventually
move on somewhere else.
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But this has been a
place where they found
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our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
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and became acquainted with
the Three Angels' Messages.
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And, you know, that is the
great goal that we have at 3ABN,
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and that is to spread
the gospel around the world.
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So tonight we
first want to talk about,
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and it is night time here.
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I know it's 1 o'clock in
the afternoon where you are,
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it's 9 P.M. in the
evening where we are.
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And that's if you
are in Central Time,
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of course in California it's 11,
and you know what time it is,
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it's 2 o'clock
in the Eastern Zone.
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But we are now
at night time here.
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We are 8 hours
ahead of Central Time
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and so if I say night,
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please forgive me
from time to time.
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But what we wanted to
talk about is what is happening
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with God's work in this area.
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And we want to be sharing
some ideas and some things
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that the president of the field
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will share with us
in just a little bit.
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But first of all, we
want to meet a pastor.
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Would you introduce him to us?
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This is Pastor Oleg Elkine.
I think I've got that right.
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But before we talk with him Jim,
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I think we need
to take just a moment
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to talk about
where we're coming from?
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Oh, all right. And
what this is all about?
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We're in a little
studio high up in a building
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but tell us what you know more
about it than I do actually.
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Well, those of you
that get us on G19,
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particularly you are watching us
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on a satellite
company called RRsat.
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This is their Jerusalem studio.
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They have a large
area outside near Tel Aviv.
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Actually, it's now in the
valley there right very close
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to where David and
Goliath had their famous battle.
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And you can actually
see it from their place.
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From that spot they have
over 100 satellite dishes.
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Some of them are 100 feet across
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that are spreading all
kinds of television signals,
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but an awful lot of our signals
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and others who are presenting
the gospel around the world
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and this is so very interesting.
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You know when God chose a spot
for His chosen people-- Mm-hmm.
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He knew exactly what
He was doing. Precisely.
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Because He chose as,
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as you said the
center of the world
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at that time actually the
very center of the known world.
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You've got Europe
on one end and above
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and you've got
Africa below and so you--
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we're in a situation here
where satellites can operate
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and reach all kinds of
continents all over the world.
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You know, I believe God
knew, I know God knew it,
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but He knew this was
the crossroads of the world,
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he put His people here.
They were to be a witness.
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They had failures, yes,
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but they also had
success my friend.
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You got to remember that
the very first Christians
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were all Jews and they
all didn't accept Him, no.
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Officially did
they accept Him? No.
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But they
accepted Him nonetheless.
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Those 12 disciples,
the 11 of them for sure
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and then they added
a successor to Judas,
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but they accepted Him and
they began to preach the gospel.
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And the Bible says, they
turned the world upside down.
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And history says, they
turned the world upside down.
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The world was
never the same again
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and it came right out
of this particular area.
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And now, the message
that's 3ABN proclaimed
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the third angel's
message is largely coming
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from a satellite
operation-- Yeah.
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Right here in this country.
That's what is exciting.
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Now let me ask,
where you are in. Yeah.
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It is very exciting
and I didn't know that
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until I came into these
studios just a couple days ago.
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But this is still the
center of the world-- Yes.
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Because so much of
satellite technology
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comes through
Jerusalem and comes through
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this particular
facility. It does.
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And you know, you
go up 23,500 miles,
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come back down to
Pennsylvania and it go up again
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and you shoot over to Israel,
then you shoot back up again
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and we cover through this
facility are really all of that.
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The great east, you
know, you go to Russia,
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you go to Africa,
you go to the Far East.
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All of that comes
through-- It does.
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Through this particular
facility. It really does.
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So it's really
amazing and we, you know,
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our great engineer
Moses Primo has worked
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with these particular
people for a long time
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and he is the one that has made
the choice to work with them
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and it's been an exciting--
you know, I say he advised us,
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we had to make the choice.
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But he advised
us and we listened
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and we've been very
happy with that arrangement.
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Well, that's not supposed
to be a commercial for our sat.
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It's--we're just trying
to let you know where we are.
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Now this is a studio that we're
in where there are sometimes
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these people come from
different organizations
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and would do a quick report
or they go up on the roof here.
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If we were on the roof tonight,
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it's just too cold
and windy up there,
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but if we were up
there, you'd be able to see
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a background
scene that of Jerusalem
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and they've got
several different places
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where people can stand
up there and you might--
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you can see the Old City
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or you can see
the Independence Park
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or you can see
the King David Hotel
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or there are so many different
things that you can see
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in different positions there.
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And so this is a
very unique spot here
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where we are
telecasting from tonight.
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Now this studio is not meant for
a program like we're doing. No.
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So we are--it's meant for
like a one or two camera program
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with one person sitting
here giving a news release
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or something of that nature.
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So please understand that
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and I hope that you
will not be too disappointed
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in the
production that we're doing.
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We're flying a little bit by--
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Yeah, we are--
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we are stretching our host
to the max tonight. We are.
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And putting a lot of
things together basically,
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on the fly-- Right.
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But we're having a good time.
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It's exciting to be
here. These are exciting times.
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We just had a
little, I can't say little,
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but there was some
skirmish between two sides
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and bombs were
flying that has stopped
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and we've got a
chance to do some things.
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And Pastor Oleg, you actually
do get a chance to talk.
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Okay, we actually are going
to talk with you. Very nice.
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One of the
things that we found out
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since being here
sort of news to make,
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I guess Jim, you've
experienced this before.
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Evangelism,
working in this context--
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Is not like working any
place else in the world. No.
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You've got a
majority religion-- Yeah.
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In a majority country and
then you have a Christian faith,
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which is seeking to lift
up the name of Jesus Christ.
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One of those persons who is
doing is Pastor Oleg Elkine,
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do I have it right? Yes.
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Oleg Elkine. Yes.
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Good to have you
here, man. Okay, thank you.
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We had little
chance to talk yesterday.
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Tell us first,
where are you from?
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I'm from Belarus.
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I was born exactly in Belarus,
this is former Soviet Union.
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So I was born in the Jewish
family and I was born in--
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as I knew after this
when I came to Israel
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that my
grandmother was so religious,
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but I didn't know this
from my childhood anyway,
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so anything I
didn't know about this,
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because everything of this
was so much hidden from me.
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Because in former Soviet
Union the anti-Semite sanity
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is that they're so big, so high.
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And my family didn't
want any trouble for me
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in connection
with my background.
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So because of this
they didn't teach me English
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because my family, my
grandmother and my mother,
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my father, my
bother everyone of them,
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they speak until now in
English, but I don't know.
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And even my name is non-Jewish,
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because Oleg, it
is a Greek name. Yeah.
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And it is exactly because
they didn't want trouble for me.
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So you tried really
to keep your Jewishness
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kind of below the radar,
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so that you
wouldn't get into trouble.
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Does not sounds that you
wanted to be promote our talent.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I didn't.
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Exactly, I didn't have
any trouble in my life.
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I have seen many
troubles for my friends,
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but not exactly to myself.
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I didn't have it. Yeah.
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Name like Oleg, that threw
him of quite a bit, right? Yeah.
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So I was indicated exactly
and as an atheist. Right.
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I didn't know
about God anything,
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I heard something
about Russian orthodox God--
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Yeah. Jesus. Yes.
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But I didn't want to
be close to him of course
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and even this was
something wrong for me.
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I--even I heard
something about this I was,
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you know, I want to
be too far from this.
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Yes, yes. Right.
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So but then you did
finally accept Jesus,
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how did that happen?
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Yeah. You know, it is
very big paradox in my life.
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Because exactly what I
didn't want, I accepted. Yeah.
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Because I
didn't want to be close
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to Russian
Orthodox Church. Right.
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But I started from, exactly
from Russian Orthodox Church.
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I had cross in my,
in my chest here. Yeah.
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Now I did
everything what they do. Okay.
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So everything I
bust, you know. Yeah.
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It was strange in my life and
when I said this to my mother,
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she was shocked,
but because she loved me
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and she still loves me-- Right.
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So she accepted this.
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So you went
from being an atheist
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to being an
orthodox Christian. Yes.
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And then how did you find
the third angel's message?
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Oh, I just met one man.
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He was Seventh-day
Adventist and-- Okay.
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He was of course non-Jew.
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I had many
friends non-Jew. Right.
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Yeah, but he was
Seventh-day Adventist
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and when we had conversations,
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I just noticed
that he is non-Jew,
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but he keeps Sabbath. Yeah.
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And he doesn't
eat pork. You're Jew.
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I am a Jew and I keep
Sunday and I eat pork.
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For me it was so
strange in my life. Yeah, it is.
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So because of this I started
thinking if it is right way.
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So we had many conversations
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and I had the Bible
study, the Bible says so,
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it is our
Pastor George Vandeman,
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He started these lessons
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and I had very
good accompanies --
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Yeah. With this man.
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Now who was the
evangelist again that you went
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to an evangelist meeting
though, didn't you? Yes, yes.
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And exactly at that time,
some preacher Elton Wallis
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started his
campaign in Kaliningrad.
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Okay. Doing one month in health.
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And during these
meetings me and my wife
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and of course my
children-- Yeah. Yes.
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I had two till this time
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and we visited every
meeting you know. Oh, yeah.
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And what is
interesting in this situation
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that we were so much
active in these meetings
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because we had the
flyers and we wanted to spread--
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spread these
flyers between the people
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and this evangelist
Elton Wallis-- Yeah.
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He thought that we are
Seventh-day Adventist. Oh, yes.
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He was amazed
that he has seen us
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between the people
who wants to be baptized.
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Because he thought that we are
Seventh-day Adventist, you know.
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I see, I see. Yeah.
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So that's in a part of the
world where evangelism was able,
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public evangelism. Yes.
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They were suddenly
able to hold the meetings--
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Yes, exactly. And you went.
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Now then you-- what
happens next in your life?
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Next in my live, my
daughter was so much sick.
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And she was going to die even.
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And we received some
diagnosis from the doctors
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that we should go to somewhere
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where it is good climate
for my daughter. Yes, yes.
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And they thought if you
have chance to go to Israel,
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it is the best for her.
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Because you were
Jewish. Yes, yeah.
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You could come to Israel.
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It is the best,
but I didn't want.
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Because I was-- I
believed that at that time
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that God has plans for
me exactly at this place.
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And I did--two years I
refused to go to Israel.
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And exactly when
the situation came
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that my daughter
was going to die,
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I told myself
that if it will happen
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I cannot forgive
myself any-- Right.
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At all. Right.
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So I decided and I
told God, please Lord,
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you know, how I
don't want to go to Israel.
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But I cannot forgive myself
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if something happen with
my daughter, so I'm going.
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If you don't want me
there, please stop me.
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But if you want
I'm ready to go but...
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So anyway during half a year
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I prepared all the
documents to go to Israel.
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And if my prayer was in March,
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in October I was
here in Israel. Wow.
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During half a
year everything was--
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and after my
coming here I understood
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that God has plans
for me in this country.
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Now, when did you
become a minister?
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That's my next question, yeah.
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Yeah, but, but I became minister
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after three years of
after my coming here.
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Yeah, because I
was here as an Elder
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because before I was
an Elder in Kaliningrad.
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So she just called me,
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I wanted to study so much but
of course I didn't have money.
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And sometimes some-- of
my friend from Kaliningrad
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came to Israel to
visit this country
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and of course
he came to my home.
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And suddenly-- I
didn't ask him anything.
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But suddenly he asked me
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Oleg, why did you--
why didn't you study?
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And I told him just the
truth. I don't have money.
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And he says you know what, I
think I could be your sponsor.
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Wow. Really. Praise God.
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But please give
me exact information
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how it cost, everything.
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And, you know,
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I understood that I have
this part of my assistance
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but I need second part. Why?
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Because during my study
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two months in the
part time study in Zaoksky.
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I didn't have any, any
shekel to help my family
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because two months
I don't work. Right.
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And I prayed and I
asked God, God, you know,
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I am going to our
president of the Israel field.
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I ask him, is it possible
for the Israel field to give me
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some assistance for
two months for my family.
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For while I'm on my study
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and may be the Israel field
could help my family to live.
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Now this was Richard Elofer?
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Yes, yes, it was
Richard Elofer of course, yeah.
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And you know, in the
ExCom, Executive Committee
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they decided, yes we're ready.
00:17:13.99\00:17:16.28
So they give me
two of my salaries
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what I had at this
time and I have everything.
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From one side I had a
sponsor and from another side
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I had the Israel Field
too who helped my family.
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And such--in such a
way I started my study.
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And in 1999 I started my study
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but in 2000 I
had been surprised.
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Because Pastor Richard
came to my home and asked me,
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are you ready to be a pastor
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because in the
executive committee,
00:17:46.91\00:17:48.63
we decided to give you
in advance this possibility
00:17:48.66\00:17:52.39
to be a pastor here in
Israel because you're studying.
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So after one year of my study
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I started to be
pastor since 2000.
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Okay, praise God.
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My question... CA, go ahead.
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My question was that your--
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the call to
ministry when you came here,
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did it ever
occurred you that ministry
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was going to be an
ultimate goal for you.
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I mean, you came
as a local elder? Yes.
00:18:09.01\00:18:10.57
Was the Lord talking
at your heart stream,
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was there anything
that was saying to you
00:18:12.19\00:18:14.86
that ministry was going to be,
00:18:14.89\00:18:16.38
I use a term in
the cards for you.
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That mission was
going to be something
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that God was calling you to do?
00:18:19.75\00:18:21.48
You know, it's a
difficult question
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because when I came here,
00:18:24.60\00:18:27.16
I understood that
God called me to be here.
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But I didn't have any vision
because I didn't know how,
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I didn't know what,
I didn't know where,
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I didn't know when, I
didn't know anything, you know.
00:18:35.74\00:18:38.61
And unfortunately it is still
challenge for me even today
00:18:38.64\00:18:43.62
because as Jim told in
the beginning of it to preach
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the gospel to Jewish people,
you know, we should have--
00:18:48.23\00:18:52.44
we should do it in
a special way. Yes.
00:18:52.47\00:18:54.40
And until now I cannot
understand until the end
00:18:54.43\00:18:59.19
what is the way exactly. Yeah.
00:18:59.22\00:19:01.21
Because the regular
methods we use in Russia,
00:19:01.24\00:19:05.64
in America, in Europe, they
don't work here. Yes, yes, yes.
00:19:05.67\00:19:09.12
When I hear you can present
00:19:09.15\00:19:11.42
the message in
your church. Of course.
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But you can't go out publicly
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and you have to be very
careful about inviting even.
00:19:16.21\00:19:20.61
Isn't that true?
Yeah, yeah, it is true.
00:19:20.64\00:19:22.96
And you don't want to be seen
proselytising is found upon.
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Yeah, but first of
all we should understand
00:19:27.59\00:19:29.83
that there is no
need for proselytising
00:19:29.86\00:19:31.98
on Jewish people. No, no.
00:19:32.01\00:19:33.38
Because Jewish
people, they are God's people.
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They are God's people.
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Even if it's
difficult to understand
00:19:37.33\00:19:38.91
for some church
members. Yeah, right.
00:19:38.94\00:19:40.78
But it is--because, you know,
00:19:40.81\00:19:42.96
in the letter of
Roman, Roman's letter of Paul,
00:19:42.99\00:19:48.87
he says in chapter 11 that
00:19:48.90\00:19:51.03
"The gospel started
from the Jewish people
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and the gospel will be finished
with Jewish people." Yeah.
00:19:53.83\00:19:56.94
The Gentiles will be in the
middle, you know. All right.
00:19:56.97\00:20:00.36
So it means God has plans
00:20:00.39\00:20:02.62
to Jewish
people to Jewish nation
00:20:02.65\00:20:04.90
at the end of the-- of his work.
00:20:04.93\00:20:09.47
And you know, we read about that
00:20:09.50\00:20:10.87
in the Spirit of Prophecy
that this is going to be
00:20:10.90\00:20:13.00
an unbelievably powerful
thing at a given time. Yes.
00:20:13.03\00:20:17.30
I'm excited about you
being a part. You have a family?
00:20:17.33\00:20:20.99
Yes. Five children.
00:20:21.02\00:20:22.39
Yes, I have five
children. How many boys?
00:20:22.42\00:20:24.85
I have four boys
and one daughter.
00:20:24.88\00:20:26.74
One beautiful daughter.
00:20:26.77\00:20:28.14
So that daughter
is doing all right?
00:20:28.17\00:20:29.54
Yes, praise the
Lord, she's all right.
00:20:29.57\00:20:31.85
Of course she has some
problems with her health,
00:20:31.88\00:20:34.05
but this problem--
those problems it is nothing
00:20:34.08\00:20:37.67
in comparison to what
she had before. All right.
00:20:37.70\00:20:42.09
Today she got married and
she has one very pretty boy,
00:20:42.12\00:20:46.25
you know... Oh, really.
00:20:46.28\00:20:47.87
Yeah, and the second is
going to be in December. Okay.
00:20:47.90\00:20:51.29
So praise the
Lord, she's in the Lord,
00:20:51.32\00:20:53.91
she's been in the
church by the Lord.
00:20:53.94\00:20:55.49
So all my children are
in the church, my all sons.
00:20:55.52\00:20:58.61
We met two last
night. Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:58.64\00:21:00.86
We're very impressed
with them, fine young men.
00:21:00.89\00:21:03.02
Well, listen,
tell us a little bit
00:21:03.05\00:21:04.99
about that you do
pastor three churches is it?
00:21:05.02\00:21:08.94
No, here in Israel I have
five churches. Five churches.
00:21:08.97\00:21:11.80
Five regular churches every
Sabbath they come to, to the...
00:21:11.83\00:21:15.28
What cities are
they? Tel Aviv. Yeah.
00:21:15.31\00:21:19.14
Bat Yam, Ashdod,
Ashkelon and Beersheba. Wow.
00:21:19.17\00:21:22.31
Okay, Beersheba,
Claire down there.
00:21:22.34\00:21:24.89
Yeah, exactly, today we
head with our president there.
00:21:24.92\00:21:27.22
Is that right?
00:21:27.25\00:21:28.62
How many people meet down
at Beersheba, small group?
00:21:28.65\00:21:31.32
At Beersheba, almost 30 people.
00:21:31.35\00:21:33.72
30 people in
their chief meeting.
00:21:33.75\00:21:35.38
Yes, in the least.
00:21:35.41\00:21:36.78
Yeah, of course, a
little bit... I know.
00:21:36.81\00:21:39.23
But-- But listen I'm excited,
00:21:39.26\00:21:41.05
how many members do
we have here in Israel.
00:21:41.08\00:21:44.24
Because Israel is
not a big country. Yeah.
00:21:44.27\00:21:46.15
But how many
members do you have?
00:21:46.18\00:21:47.55
In Israel we have about 800.
00:21:47.58\00:21:49.61
About 800
members? Little bit more.
00:21:49.64\00:21:52.37
Folks, you don't know,
00:21:52.40\00:21:53.77
but when I first
started coming over here
00:21:53.80\00:21:55.18
there were fewer than a 100
Seventh-day Adventist in Israel.
00:21:55.21\00:21:59.84
And so, we have
seen wonderful growth.
00:21:59.87\00:22:05.01
Richard Elofer was in
charge of the work here.
00:22:05.04\00:22:07.78
He's now in charge of the
Jewish work all over the world.
00:22:07.81\00:22:10.90
He had that position
00:22:10.93\00:22:12.30
at the same time he
was also a pastor here.
00:22:12.33\00:22:15.05
But they
relieved him of that duty,
00:22:15.08\00:22:17.09
he's moved to France
where he heads up this work.
00:22:17.12\00:22:20.54
And we have a work
that of witnessing the Jews
00:22:20.57\00:22:25.93
that has covered the globe now.
00:22:25.96\00:22:28.58
In United States when I was
at the North American division
00:22:28.61\00:22:31.15
it was a privilege to
be the one that oversaw
00:22:31.18\00:22:36.07
that particular work
and chair that committee.
00:22:36.10\00:22:38.68
And so I'm excited about
what I see is happening here.
00:22:38.71\00:22:43.62
It is small but it's gonna
I believe is going to explode.
00:22:43.65\00:22:49.06
And we're gonna be
talking a little bit more here
00:22:49.09\00:22:51.13
with the president of the field
00:22:51.16\00:22:52.99
and discussing
some of the things
00:22:53.02\00:22:56.35
that he is dreaming
about and planning on.
00:22:56.38\00:22:59.51
And so we are
going to bring him in now
00:22:59.54\00:23:03.10
and we gonna thank
you Oleg for coming.
00:23:03.13\00:23:05.42
Okay, thank you very
much. That's just been great.
00:23:05.45\00:23:07.40
Thank you so much
I must appreciate it.
00:23:07.43\00:23:08.80
Yes all right and but
this is an exciting time
00:23:08.83\00:23:14.21
and for our people in
this part of the world
00:23:14.24\00:23:18.40
and we hope to be able to
share some of that with you.
00:23:18.43\00:23:22.37
Yeah, you know, one
thing I'm impressed by Jim.
00:23:22.40\00:23:24.34
You know, the churches
00:23:24.37\00:23:25.74
has this big push
for the cities of--Yes.
00:23:25.77\00:23:28.19
And I think
that is a fine thing.
00:23:28.22\00:23:29.83
I think we ought to
spend sometime praying for...
00:23:29.86\00:23:34.51
countries like this. yes.
00:23:34.54\00:23:36.03
Because this is a
particular challenge,
00:23:36.06\00:23:38.03
this a difficult place to work.
00:23:38.06\00:23:40.72
We talked about 10/40 Window
00:23:40.75\00:23:42.12
and this flies in
there in that area.
00:23:42.15\00:23:46.62
Our Muslim
countries, our Jewish countries,
00:23:46.65\00:23:49.38
my Hindu countries, it takes--
00:23:49.41\00:23:51.61
you can't just go out and pit
a tent and expect folk to come,
00:23:51.64\00:23:54.28
in fact some countries don't
like to do that. That's right.
00:23:54.31\00:23:56.87
So the methodologies have
to be very, very sophisticated,
00:23:56.90\00:24:01.11
very caring, very loving,
very personal massive evangelism
00:24:01.14\00:24:05.38
as we are used of seeing
it just doesn't fly here.
00:24:05.41\00:24:07.85
You know, I've
mentioned the Jewish work,
00:24:07.88\00:24:10.32
but remember that Israel
is made up of Christians,
00:24:10.35\00:24:13.72
a large number of Christians,
of Muslims and of Jewish.
00:24:13.75\00:24:19.54
So we got the three
major religions here
00:24:19.57\00:24:22.75
and it's not just a Jewish work,
00:24:22.78\00:24:25.84
but we find that this
is a great opportunity
00:24:25.87\00:24:30.07
to witness to all
three of these groups.
00:24:30.10\00:24:31.91
Now, we're going to be
doing a lot of things here,
00:24:31.94\00:24:34.79
but one of the things
if you have a question
00:24:34.82\00:24:37.69
that you like for us to
try it work out or something,
00:24:37.72\00:24:40.08
I'm gonna ask you to email
it to my personal email account.
00:24:40.11\00:24:43.37
I'll be checking it here.
00:24:43.40\00:24:44.91
I may not be able
to get to all of them,
00:24:44.94\00:24:46.58
but I know that some of you
have some pretty good things
00:24:46.61\00:24:49.60
that you would like
to comments, letters.
00:24:49.63\00:24:52.03
If I don't get to answer
them all, please understand.
00:24:52.06\00:24:54.96
But just send me a note at Jim
00:24:54.99\00:24:57.72
and you know how to
spell thats dot gilley.
00:24:57.75\00:25:03.43
Be sure you get that 'ey' in
there at the number 3ABN.org.
00:25:03.46\00:25:11.43
Now remember it's the
'org' and not the other term.
00:25:11.46\00:25:15.58
So, send me a note,
I'll be looking at them,
00:25:15.61\00:25:19.31
checking them in a few minutes.
00:25:19.34\00:25:21.31
And we maybe able to get
back and answer some of you,
00:25:21.34\00:25:24.38
even put your name on
there if you wanted to
00:25:24.41\00:25:27.08
tell me you don't want me
to mention your name, we won't.
00:25:27.11\00:25:29.77
But if you do leave it on
there and perhaps we will.
00:25:29.80\00:25:33.25
Well, Roger, we welcome you.
00:25:33.28\00:25:35.62
This is Pastor Roger Robertson,
and he is the president
00:25:35.65\00:25:42.20
of the Seventh-day
Adventist Church in Israel.
00:25:42.23\00:25:47.36
And that name
doesn't sound Jewish.
00:25:47.39\00:25:49.16
Where are you from, Roger?
00:25:49.19\00:25:51.21
Now, it certainly doesn't sound
Jewish or anything like that.
00:25:51.24\00:25:54.67
I'm from Norway.
00:25:54.70\00:25:56.07
You're from Norway? Yeah.
00:25:56.10\00:25:57.65
And now the world organization,
00:25:57.68\00:26:00.49
our church has called
you to lead this work here.
00:26:00.52\00:26:05.53
Can you tell us a little
bit about your background?
00:26:05.56\00:26:07.99
Why would they, why
would they chose you for that?
00:26:08.02\00:26:09.96
Well, I wasn't on the committee
so I can't tell. I understand.
00:26:09.99\00:26:15.72
But I guess they looked
00:26:15.75\00:26:17.51
at some of my
administrative background,
00:26:17.54\00:26:20.39
also I've gone
through the church norm
00:26:20.42\00:26:22.80
at all different levels. Okay.
00:26:22.83\00:26:25.53
Departmental director,
evangelist, Bible teacher,
00:26:25.56\00:26:29.23
conference president,
union president. Okay.
00:26:29.26\00:26:32.73
So I've been
through various things.
00:26:32.76\00:26:34.13
Whose division was this in?
00:26:34.16\00:26:35.53
This was in the
Trans-European division.
00:26:35.56\00:26:37.15
Trans-European division.
00:26:37.18\00:26:39.02
But then I guess
what has counted something
00:26:39.05\00:26:42.64
must have been the fact
that I've been doing archeology
00:26:42.67\00:26:45.13
in Israel for many, many years.
00:26:45.16\00:26:47.53
So I know the
country fairly well.
00:26:47.56\00:26:49.23
Oh, okay. So you've
been here many times?
00:26:49.26\00:26:51.15
Yeah, since 1976.
00:26:51.18\00:26:53.88
So it's a long time
ago now. Well, okay.
00:26:53.91\00:26:55.79
So that was the first
time you came here? Yeah.
00:26:55.82\00:26:58.67
And now you talk
about the country,
00:26:58.70\00:27:02.10
where do our
members live in the country?
00:27:02.13\00:27:05.21
Are they all of
them in Jerusalem or--
00:27:05.24\00:27:07.74
we heard about Beersheba,
00:27:07.77\00:27:09.96
so we know that there
are some down over there.
00:27:09.99\00:27:12.41
I preached in
Beersheba this Sabbath. Yes.
00:27:12.44\00:27:15.15
So... You go from
there to Beersheba?
00:27:15.18\00:27:17.65
Yeah, that's right.
00:27:17.68\00:27:19.05
Now they actually
live scattered all over.
00:27:19.08\00:27:21.23
We have 13 churches
and then some groups,
00:27:21.26\00:27:25.96
so it's 21 all
together, churches and groups.
00:27:25.99\00:27:30.37
So they live scattered all over,
most of them in Tel Aviv area.
00:27:30.40\00:27:36.12
My question is, we, we--
you mentioned conferences,
00:27:36.15\00:27:40.41
unions, we know divisions.
00:27:40.44\00:27:42.28
Tell us what a Field is?
00:27:42.31\00:27:44.30
What is the
definition of a field?
00:27:44.33\00:27:47.15
You're president
of the Israeli Field,
00:27:47.18\00:27:48.86
that's a special designation.
00:27:48.89\00:27:50.33
Our audience may not be
familiar with the term Field?
00:27:50.36\00:27:54.38
It simply means that it's
not completely self supporting.
00:27:54.41\00:27:58.79
A union and a conference they
are self supporting. We're not.
00:27:58.82\00:28:05.70
A Field can be
small or it can be big,
00:28:05.73\00:28:07.88
but what is common is
that it's not self supporting
00:28:07.91\00:28:12.28
as far as
finances are concerned.
00:28:12.31\00:28:15.00
Well, we're now directly linked
to the General Conference,
00:28:15.03\00:28:18.44
that's the world organization.
00:28:18.47\00:28:21.38
Well, some of the
things that we are running into
00:28:21.41\00:28:23.98
is the ethnic and religious and
background here of the people,
00:28:24.01\00:28:29.32
have you found that
that's a little different
00:28:29.35\00:28:31.06
than other parts of the world?
00:28:31.09\00:28:32.91
Well, it's a melting part here.
00:28:32.94\00:28:34.39
Of course it is,
00:28:34.42\00:28:35.79
it's like a mosaic
with just about everybody
00:28:35.82\00:28:38.84
represented all
countries in the world.
00:28:38.87\00:28:41.28
But what we see in Israel as
far as Adventism is concerned
00:28:41.31\00:28:45.69
is that we've had a
large influx of Russians,
00:28:45.72\00:28:49.81
we have quite a few Romanians.
00:28:49.84\00:28:52.67
There used to be more than
00:28:52.70\00:28:54.07
a 1,000 Romanian Adventists
here in this country. Really.
00:28:54.10\00:28:57.76
Now it's down to about a
120 because of political reasons
00:28:57.79\00:29:01.38
and people who had to
leave and so on. Oh, yeah.
00:29:01.41\00:29:04.41
We have a large
group of Filipinos
00:29:04.44\00:29:09.90
and then of
course there are Jews,
00:29:09.93\00:29:13.73
Indigenous Jews,
Sephardi Jews living here.
00:29:13.76\00:29:17.87
But that's the--
00:29:17.90\00:29:19.76
where we haven't really
had too much success so far.
00:29:19.79\00:29:23.29
How do you share your faith
00:29:23.32\00:29:25.24
with people of
certain Jewish faith?
00:29:25.27\00:29:30.16
Well, we haven't
really had too much success.
00:29:30.19\00:29:32.96
What I personally
I'm doing it right now,
00:29:32.99\00:29:35.30
I go out every
evening and I talk to people
00:29:35.33\00:29:37.67
I meet in the street just to
get acquainted with them. Yeah.
00:29:37.70\00:29:40.52
Then I walk around
in different churches
00:29:40.55\00:29:43.14
visiting Messianic
Synagogues and so on.
00:29:43.17\00:29:45.74
So I want to
see what's going on.
00:29:45.77\00:29:47.54
Sure. And how do
others work here.
00:29:47.57\00:29:50.08
So I want to acquaint
myself with that aspect.
00:29:50.11\00:29:53.22
Right. All right.
00:29:53.25\00:29:55.37
So you're getting a lot
of background information.
00:29:55.40\00:29:58.27
Yeah and then we've
laid some plans which are--
00:29:58.30\00:30:01.26
I think very interesting.
00:30:01.29\00:30:02.96
So I'm looking forward
00:30:02.99\00:30:04.36
to kind of push
these through. All right.
00:30:04.39\00:30:06.63
Before we move into
your plans we might be--
00:30:06.66\00:30:08.03
you touched on something
that sort of intrigue me.
00:30:08.06\00:30:10.47
How is the Messianic
Movement from your perspective
00:30:10.50\00:30:14.70
accepted across the
board, because, you know,
00:30:14.73\00:30:17.16
the Jewish community is
not a model of a community.
00:30:17.19\00:30:20.49
You've got to the far right.
You've got to the far left.
00:30:20.52\00:30:23.50
You've got some in the middle.
Then you've got Messianic Jews.
00:30:23.53\00:30:25.75
How is that-- does that play
00:30:25.78\00:30:27.98
and they will
fit into the overall
00:30:28.01\00:30:30.02
Jewish community
here in this country?
00:30:30.05\00:30:33.59
By many Jews, it's not accepted,
00:30:33.62\00:30:37.74
you know, it's not a
popular thing at all.
00:30:37.77\00:30:41.03
So some of them have problems.
00:30:41.06\00:30:44.19
That's how it is. Yeah.
00:30:44.22\00:30:46.13
But-- yeah, they manage,
00:30:46.16\00:30:49.10
and you know, they're witnessing
00:30:49.13\00:30:51.46
and they're
sharing their Yeshua,
00:30:51.49\00:30:54.02
Jesus, you know,
they're lifting Him up,
00:30:54.05\00:30:56.24
so-- Yes.
00:30:56.27\00:30:57.64
I admire them for what they're
doing for Emmanuel, yeah.
00:30:57.67\00:31:00.83
Absolutely. Well,
we talked a little.
00:31:00.86\00:31:04.85
first of all before
we get into the plans,
00:31:04.88\00:31:07.41
tell us a little bit
about your background.
00:31:07.44\00:31:09.99
And I know, you've
told us about leadership,
00:31:10.02\00:31:12.04
but did you grow up
Seventh-day Adventist
00:31:12.07\00:31:14.56
or do you converted to the
Three Angels' Message with--
00:31:14.59\00:31:19.20
how did you become what you are?
00:31:19.23\00:31:21.20
I grew up as a Lutheran
00:31:21.23\00:31:23.19
because in Norway
that's the state church.
00:31:23.22\00:31:25.45
So about 90% are
Lutherans. All right.
00:31:25.48\00:31:28.21
So I grew up in a
Christian home. Yes.
00:31:28.24\00:31:30.37
With a good mother, very
dedicated Christian. Yes.
00:31:30.40\00:31:35.61
She had a norm to
Seventh-day Adventist.
00:31:35.64\00:31:38.49
And my mother really
wanted to get her out of that
00:31:38.52\00:31:41.16
because they
regarded the Adventist
00:31:41.19\00:31:43.53
something very
special and somewhat Jewish.
00:31:43.56\00:31:46.21
They kept a Sabbath, you know,
00:31:46.24\00:31:49.03
so they didn't
really believe in Jesus
00:31:49.06\00:31:51.19
because they didn't celebrate
His resurrection on Sunday.
00:31:51.22\00:31:55.08
And somewhat Jewish also
00:31:55.11\00:31:57.08
because they didn't
eat regular food. Yeah.
00:31:57.11\00:32:00.73
So my mother really wanted
to help her out, you know.
00:32:00.76\00:32:03.57
And so the two of
them started talking.
00:32:03.60\00:32:06.19
And my mother
came home, you know,
00:32:06.22\00:32:07.97
after the first time
that ever touched on it--
00:32:08.00\00:32:11.08
these topics together, you know.
00:32:11.11\00:32:13.05
And she was, you
know, "Wow what's this?
00:32:13.08\00:32:16.32
I never knew you know.
00:32:16.35\00:32:17.72
They really believed in
Jesus. They are Christians."
00:32:17.75\00:32:21.59
And so we had to
start from the beginning,
00:32:21.62\00:32:23.71
you know, I was in
my teens at that time.
00:32:23.74\00:32:25.90
Wow! And we started studying,
00:32:25.93\00:32:28.39
you know, the Sabbath. Yeah.
00:32:28.42\00:32:30.14
And then I listened to a
program about Daniel Chapter 2.
00:32:30.17\00:32:34.44
Okay. And I was
sitting there just watching.
00:32:34.47\00:32:37.92
This was a
slide show-- Oh, yeah.
00:32:37.95\00:32:40.30
This was when I
was young. All right.
00:32:40.33\00:32:42.27
Yeah, and so I said to myself,
00:32:42.30\00:32:46.66
"Wow, if there's a
God behind all of these
00:32:46.69\00:32:50.70
and He has a plan for the world.
00:32:50.73\00:32:52.98
Then maybe there is a
plan for me as well." Yeah.
00:32:53.01\00:32:56.48
I've got to stop in because
it seems like as a teenager
00:32:56.51\00:33:00.37
you were perhaps a little
more serious about your faith
00:33:00.40\00:33:02.78
than we would
envision most 16-year-old.
00:33:02.81\00:33:05.72
But you are a thinking person
00:33:05.75\00:33:08.16
and a person may be who
is even searching for truth
00:33:08.19\00:33:10.65
and very involved in serving
the Lord and being part of that.
00:33:10.68\00:33:14.24
This is right. Yeah. For me.
00:33:14.27\00:33:15.71
And you had a great deal
of confidence in your mother.
00:33:15.74\00:33:17.47
My mother was a godly woman and,
00:33:17.50\00:33:20.53
you know, she
was truly dedicated.
00:33:20.56\00:33:22.41
Yeah. As a Sunday keeper.
00:33:22.44\00:33:24.29
Right, oh, yeah. When
she-that's all the truth.
00:33:24.32\00:33:27.70
Yeah, she
followed. She followed.
00:33:27.73\00:33:30.02
That's where the
honesty comes forward.
00:33:30.05\00:33:32.59
People are--if they will
absorb the truth they have.
00:33:32.62\00:33:36.49
She was living after all
the truth she had before.
00:33:36.52\00:33:39.37
And when she found
more, she lived up to that.
00:33:39.40\00:33:42.25
And she was an
adult person at that time.
00:33:42.28\00:33:44.53
And she was
willing to follow for me,
00:33:44.56\00:33:46.67
it took several years.
00:33:46.70\00:33:49.51
Wasn't that courageous?
00:33:49.54\00:33:50.91
Yeah. Pushed it off.
00:33:50.94\00:33:52.96
Wow, it is one
thing to join the church
00:33:52.99\00:33:55.28
and accept all the doctrines--
00:33:55.31\00:33:56.68
there's another thing
to be called to ministry.
00:33:56.71\00:33:59.02
When did you feel the
Lord sort of moving you on
00:33:59.05\00:34:02.11
and not be just
sort of a pew warmer
00:34:02.14\00:34:03.66
but to be a leader in His cause?
00:34:03.69\00:34:05.97
For couple of
years in my early 20s,
00:34:06.00\00:34:09.10
I kind of calm down
00:34:09.13\00:34:11.79
as far as my religious
experience was concerned.
00:34:11.82\00:34:16.18
I was out one evening.
00:34:16.21\00:34:17.58
I met a group of students from
our junior college in Norway.
00:34:17.61\00:34:21.39
One of them said me, "Roger,
00:34:21.42\00:34:23.88
why aren't you really
fully ablaze and fully on fire?
00:34:23.91\00:34:28.41
Why are you sort of
backsliding somewhat?"
00:34:28.44\00:34:32.59
And so I went home that evening
00:34:32.62\00:34:34.81
and I spent several hours
alone rethinking everything.
00:34:34.84\00:34:39.99
I knew that God existed,
I knew He had a plan for me.
00:34:40.02\00:34:43.44
Why was I wasting my time?
00:34:43.47\00:34:46.57
So I made a new decision.
00:34:46.60\00:34:49.09
And shortly after just a
couple of weeks afterwards,
00:34:49.12\00:34:52.43
a friend of
mine, he told me that
00:34:52.46\00:34:54.57
he was going to Newbold
College to study theology.
00:34:54.60\00:34:58.28
And that couldn't, you
know, I couldn't let it go.
00:34:58.31\00:35:01.03
So it kept, you know,
00:35:01.06\00:35:02.46
I was studying
in Oslo doing well,
00:35:02.49\00:35:05.32
but Lord, He had His way.
00:35:05.35\00:35:08.95
So I had to go
00:35:08.98\00:35:10.35
to Newbold College
and I became a pastor.
00:35:10.38\00:35:13.18
Wow, praise God. That's great.
00:35:13.21\00:35:15.57
Well, then you've had the
ministry, the pastoral work,
00:35:15.60\00:35:19.47
the
denominational leadership role
00:35:19.50\00:35:21.66
and also you have
now taken on a new role
00:35:21.69\00:35:28.93
here in this particular field.
00:35:28.96\00:35:32.37
And you and I share
some dreams together
00:35:32.40\00:35:39.24
that you may not realize,
00:35:39.27\00:35:40.68
but when you began to talk to me
00:35:40.71\00:35:44.05
the other day about this
center that you want to develop
00:35:44.08\00:35:49.31
and some other
things you're looking at.
00:35:49.34\00:35:51.13
I really got excited because I--
00:35:51.16\00:35:55.37
every once a while I have
people who give me a hard time
00:35:55.40\00:35:58.67
about coming over here.
00:35:58.70\00:36:00.43
And why do you do
this and they think that--
00:36:00.46\00:36:03.70
people they think
there's council not to come
00:36:03.73\00:36:06.18
and there are also
councils not to have bicycles.
00:36:06.21\00:36:09.38
But there are certain
areas and periods of time
00:36:09.41\00:36:12.56
in which council is accurate
and other times when it is not.
00:36:12.59\00:36:17.34
I have seen in my own family
00:36:17.37\00:36:21.23
when my wife
first started coming,
00:36:21.26\00:36:24.62
she began-- she
always loved the word,
00:36:24.65\00:36:28.19
but she really
got into the word.
00:36:28.22\00:36:29.70
And she has now
read the Bible through
00:36:29.73\00:36:31.68
since our first trip 15 times.
00:36:31.71\00:36:35.79
And I don't mean just
read it, I mean studying it.
00:36:35.82\00:36:39.01
It has changed her whole
being, same with my children.
00:36:39.04\00:36:44.20
I have four children.
00:36:44.23\00:36:45.60
And they've all been
here with me several times.
00:36:45.63\00:36:48.11
It has so much
ingrained them spiritually.
00:36:48.14\00:36:52.08
So I'll talk a
little bit more about this
00:36:52.11\00:36:54.91
in our second
half of our program.
00:36:54.94\00:36:56.50
But you want to bring students
00:36:56.53\00:37:01.37
and have them be
here for a study.
00:37:01.40\00:37:04.43
This meant a lot
to you personally.
00:37:04.46\00:37:06.65
So tell us a little about this,
00:37:06.68\00:37:08.47
tell us about the
facilities we have for this
00:37:08.50\00:37:10.27
and what your dream is?
00:37:10.30\00:37:12.77
In Jerusalem, we
havetwo centers. Yes.
00:37:12.80\00:37:15.57
One of them is the Advent House
00:37:15.60\00:37:17.11
where many Adventists over
the years have stayed, you know.
00:37:17.14\00:37:20.39
We have the single
rooms, some double rooms.
00:37:20.42\00:37:23.53
So Adventists
from around the world,
00:37:23.56\00:37:25.82
they've come here
and they stayed there.
00:37:25.85\00:37:28.17
Then in the
other side of the city,
00:37:28.20\00:37:30.81
we have the study center.
00:37:30.84\00:37:34.06
Many Adventists
who've been here, you know,
00:37:34.09\00:37:36.48
in times past and they
look at the study center
00:37:36.51\00:37:39.48
and they say, "Wow,
that's a run down place."
00:37:39.51\00:37:41.95
Yeah. It's not.
It's fully renewed.
00:37:41.98\00:37:46.89
It's a brand-- Really?
00:37:46.92\00:37:48.29
It's a brand new study center.
00:37:48.32\00:37:49.77
Now where is it, it is
out of town is that on?
00:37:49.80\00:37:51.67
It's in the eastern part,
not far from the Damascus Gate.
00:37:51.70\00:37:55.58
All right, but in Greek
they have redone that, huh?
00:37:55.61\00:37:58.27
It's totally redone.
Really? I want to see it.
00:37:58.30\00:38:00.31
Inside, beautiful
new rooms, toilets,
00:38:00.34\00:38:04.37
rest rooms, bathrooms, you know,
00:38:04.40\00:38:06.49
the tiles and it's
just beautifully done. Okay.
00:38:06.52\00:38:09.87
And now this summer we
even put on a new roof,
00:38:09.90\00:38:14.11
not just a ceiling inside,
but the whole roof, it's new.
00:38:14.14\00:38:17.47
So it's a brand new place.
00:38:17.50\00:38:19.33
And we're inviting colleges
and universities to come over,
00:38:19.36\00:38:23.61
they will stay there. Okay.
00:38:23.64\00:38:25.44
You know, in Jerusalem,
it's usually quite expensive.
00:38:25.47\00:38:28.48
Right. But with
us, it's really cheap.
00:38:28.51\00:38:31.01
And if they come and stay there,
00:38:31.04\00:38:32.64
we can accommodate groups
of between 20 and up to 40--
00:38:32.67\00:38:36.85
Okay. In that
one place. All right.
00:38:36.88\00:38:38.78
And, you know, when they
come, it's cheap for them,
00:38:38.81\00:38:42.32
but it gives money to the
work in the Israel Field. Okay.
00:38:42.35\00:38:45.93
And that's a long term income
for the well care in Israel.
00:38:45.96\00:38:50.79
Yeah. So that is really
good thing we have going.
00:38:50.82\00:38:53.70
So some of the colleges
00:38:53.73\00:38:55.78
and may be even
academies could bring students,
00:38:55.81\00:38:59.54
stay for a
length of time, study,
00:38:59.57\00:39:04.64
you know, an intensive study
00:39:04.67\00:39:06.77
and the word and the geography
00:39:06.80\00:39:09.05
and so forth and the archeology.
00:39:09.08\00:39:12.25
What length of
time will they have a--
00:39:12.28\00:39:14.09
that would be
up to them or what?
00:39:14.12\00:39:16.59
That's up to them.
00:39:16.62\00:39:17.99
We have the La
Sierra University.
00:39:18.02\00:39:19.95
They will be becoming now
this in 2/13 in the summer.
00:39:19.98\00:39:23.72
Andrews University, they
are considering sending a group.
00:39:23.75\00:39:27.74
But you know it's just finished
now this place. Oh, really?
00:39:27.77\00:39:31.18
So we haven't
really started, you know,
00:39:31.21\00:39:33.04
contacting
colleges and universities.
00:39:33.07\00:39:36.38
So those who come first now,
00:39:36.41\00:39:38.35
they will have
very good deals with us
00:39:38.38\00:39:40.76
because we want to fill
it up as soon as possible.
00:39:40.79\00:39:43.63
Now what will they
do for things like food?
00:39:43.66\00:39:45.79
They just prepare their own food
00:39:45.82\00:39:47.48
or do you have someone
who does that for them?
00:39:47.51\00:39:51.14
That will be up to them.
00:39:51.17\00:39:52.54
It's cheaper if
they do it themselves.
00:39:52.57\00:39:54.13
And we have a
beautiful new kitchen,
00:39:54.16\00:39:56.30
so they can do
it. They can do it.
00:39:56.33\00:39:58.18
We can provide a
cook, you know, we can--
00:39:58.21\00:40:00.21
Or they can bring
along one of the mothers
00:40:00.24\00:40:01.92
and she can cook, yeah.
00:40:01.95\00:40:03.32
That's right and this is what
many have done in times past
00:40:03.35\00:40:06.49
when the place
was being used. Yeah.
00:40:06.52\00:40:08.67
It has been used before. It has.
00:40:08.70\00:40:10.83
But because, you
know, it was let down. Yeah.
00:40:10.86\00:40:13.62
Now it's up again and it's
more beautiful than ever before.
00:40:13.65\00:40:16.58
Really? It's a nice
place and 5 or 6 minutes,
00:40:16.61\00:40:19.90
you know, from Old City
00:40:19.93\00:40:22.14
and 3 or 4 minutes
away from the Garden Tomb.
00:40:22.17\00:40:24.94
Wow! that close.
00:40:24.97\00:40:26.42
Yeah, it's just-- Just
a walking. That's right.
00:40:26.45\00:40:29.00
3 or 4 minutes
to the Garden Tomb.
00:40:29.03\00:40:31.46
And if, you know,
if the group is larger,
00:40:31.49\00:40:35.49
then they come
walkover to the Advent House.
00:40:35.52\00:40:37.60
It's about 25
minutes, you know, by foot.
00:40:37.63\00:40:40.85
And so people can stay there
in single rooms or double rooms.
00:40:40.88\00:40:44.03
So we can combine things.
00:40:44.06\00:40:45.43
How many rooms do you
have at the Advent House?
00:40:45.46\00:40:47.71
Advent House is not
large, it's eight rooms.
00:40:47.74\00:40:50.19
Eight rooms. Yeah.
00:40:50.22\00:40:51.59
So you can accompany about 15-16
people-- Yeah, that's right.
00:40:51.62\00:40:55.96
Now I just wanna backup
because between both facilities,
00:40:55.99\00:40:59.23
what's the total number
of students you can have,
00:40:59.26\00:41:01.09
or in average you
can house, both of them?
00:41:01.12\00:41:04.02
If they contact us and there's
plenty of time to organize it,
00:41:04.05\00:41:08.42
we can take at
least 40 people. Okay.
00:41:08.45\00:41:11.17
May be up to
50, but at least 40.
00:41:11.20\00:41:14.00
Okay, I wanna try
to save your project
00:41:14.03\00:41:17.12
because I think
it's a great thing.
00:41:17.15\00:41:19.46
What--let's go back and sort of
assess, what they can do here?
00:41:19.49\00:41:23.58
We've got a group
of college age kids.
00:41:23.61\00:41:26.39
Why would we come
in and what can we do?
00:41:26.42\00:41:28.44
What can we
actually get our hands into
00:41:28.47\00:41:31.47
and learn while we're here?
00:41:31.50\00:41:33.45
First of all, college students
they travel all over the world.
00:41:33.48\00:41:37.04
Why not to take them
to where Adventism began.
00:41:37.07\00:41:40.54
Adventism, as you know,
did not start in Battle Creek
00:41:40.57\00:41:43.55
or Washington DC
or Andrews University
00:41:43.58\00:41:46.22
or Loma Linda University
and none of these places.
00:41:46.25\00:41:49.09
It started here in Jerusalem.
00:41:49.12\00:41:51.95
And this is actually
where it's all gonna finish
00:41:51.98\00:41:54.60
because after the millennium
00:41:54.63\00:41:56.00
where is the Lord
going to come down.
00:41:56.03\00:41:58.71
Where is the New
Jerusalem gonna be located.
00:41:58.74\00:42:01.36
So we are at that spot
00:42:01.39\00:42:03.00
and this is where
all the prophets walked.
00:42:03.03\00:42:05.47
This is where the apostles lived
00:42:05.50\00:42:07.37
and many of them
gave their lives.
00:42:07.40\00:42:10.25
This is where Jesus lived.
00:42:10.28\00:42:12.34
And now He's called us
you know to share this.
00:42:12.37\00:42:15.68
And so by coming here,
00:42:15.71\00:42:17.33
you look at the different
sights and you'll remember.
00:42:17.36\00:42:20.72
You have something to--
00:42:20.75\00:42:22.23
that's gonna stay with you
for the rest of your life. Yeah.
00:42:22.26\00:42:25.24
You've seen the
different places.
00:42:25.27\00:42:26.98
And some of these, you
know, people don't believe it,
00:42:27.01\00:42:30.69
you can actually just
south of the temple compound,
00:42:30.72\00:42:34.43
you can walk on the same steps
as Jesus Himself has walked on.
00:42:34.46\00:42:38.45
And many of those
who have been to Israel,
00:42:38.48\00:42:41.19
they have been walking through,
you know, the Hezekiah's Tunnel.
00:42:41.22\00:42:44.45
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:42:44.48\00:42:45.85
Can you imagine Peter
when he was young kid?
00:42:45.88\00:42:48.58
He must have
rushed through it. Sure.
00:42:48.61\00:42:50.83
And so we can do it today.
00:42:50.86\00:42:52.56
Now let me tell you,
00:42:52.59\00:42:53.96
we are getting email questions
like you wouldn't believe,
00:42:53.99\00:42:56.46
but I-- Michael
Alford has asked a question.
00:42:56.49\00:43:01.36
He says, "During Jesus' time,
00:43:01.39\00:43:03.71
He and the disciples
would preach in the synagogues.
00:43:03.74\00:43:06.00
Are Christians today permitted
to preach in the synagogues?
00:43:06.03\00:43:12.33
Probably you and I did.
00:43:12.36\00:43:14.02
Probably we did
not, but like I said
00:43:14.05\00:43:16.41
we have the Messianic synagogues
00:43:16.44\00:43:18.22
and we have
synagogue of our own.
00:43:18.25\00:43:22.92
Friday nights when
you comes to Jerusalem,
00:43:22.95\00:43:25.71
invited into a
synagogue. Yeah, yeah.
00:43:25.74\00:43:28.80
Abraham Lincoln
Street. All right and--
00:43:28.83\00:43:31.46
And it's gonna be, you know,
00:43:31.49\00:43:33.60
everything is in
Hebrew, you know it.
00:43:33.63\00:43:35.39
And there is one person here
that was very concerned C.A.
00:43:35.42\00:43:37.89
at back you were
talking about bombs.
00:43:37.92\00:43:39.49
You know, you can't even
mention things like that.
00:43:39.52\00:43:42.01
There is a peace agreement
that's going on. Right, right.
00:43:42.04\00:43:45.00
By the way we've
been here... a week.
00:43:45.03\00:43:48.47
We have not seen anything,
00:43:48.50\00:43:51.08
I mean once I get out
of New York, I felt safe.
00:43:51.11\00:43:54.71
And I want to know that--
00:43:54.74\00:43:59.95
Now, we have not so
much have seen a soldier. No.
00:43:59.98\00:44:04.34
You know, in the
airport or any place.
00:44:04.37\00:44:06.28
There are some
checkpoints you go through.
00:44:06.31\00:44:07.68
Oh, yeah.
That's what it's there.
00:44:07.71\00:44:09.10
But the
disturbance has not affected
00:44:09.13\00:44:11.93
the areas where we have been.
00:44:11.96\00:44:13.33
We are very, very safe
and we feel quite fine.
00:44:13.36\00:44:16.86
Absolutely and-- but
we would not have come.
00:44:16.89\00:44:20.02
We have great confidence in
the people we work with here.
00:44:20.05\00:44:24.42
They would not mislead us.
We were in touch with them.
00:44:24.45\00:44:27.57
And they told us
that where it not safe,
00:44:27.60\00:44:31.09
they would have told us.
00:44:31.12\00:44:32.69
So we came and we have been
very, very happy that we did.
00:44:32.72\00:44:38.38
And there is
probably 100,000 tourists here
00:44:38.41\00:44:41.89
at least right now traveling.
00:44:41.92\00:44:44.70
We just run into them everywhere
00:44:44.73\00:44:46.64
from all over the world.
00:44:46.67\00:44:48.29
And there is no fear
and frightening among them.
00:44:48.32\00:44:51.39
Believe me, we've
had a wonderful time.
00:44:51.42\00:44:53.51
Then we're, you know,
anytime things can happen.
00:44:53.54\00:44:56.30
And so we're
not being frightful,
00:44:56.33\00:44:58.47
we're thankful for that.
00:44:58.50\00:45:00.58
And we don't have some special
courage or anything like that.
00:45:00.61\00:45:04.51
We just believe that
there is some practical things
00:45:04.54\00:45:07.45
that people know when you
can come and when you can't.
00:45:07.48\00:45:10.76
And we were following that.
00:45:10.79\00:45:12.81
We followed those who have been
doing this for many, many years.
00:45:12.84\00:45:16.69
And we're thankful that we did.
00:45:16.72\00:45:19.44
I don't have 1% who is
not thankful that they came.
00:45:19.47\00:45:24.20
But got a question
here for the guest.
00:45:24.23\00:45:27.04
Thank God for
your broadcast today.
00:45:27.07\00:45:29.13
Would you kindly ask the guest
00:45:29.16\00:45:30.53
to share the most
challenging experience
00:45:30.56\00:45:33.17
and also the most
exciting experience
00:45:33.20\00:45:35.74
that they're experiencing
for working for the Lord?
00:45:35.77\00:45:39.08
And this comes from the lady
with the name of Grace Mallet.
00:45:39.11\00:45:42.63
I didn't quite get it--
A challenging experience.
00:45:42.66\00:45:44.88
Challenging experiences. I could
tell you about the problems
00:45:44.91\00:45:48.43
we just had now
with the Gaza State.
00:45:48.46\00:45:51.51
Because it was kind
of a difficult situation.
00:45:51.54\00:45:54.02
Yeah, because you-- we
have members down in Gaza.
00:45:54.05\00:45:58.36
By the way folks, we
are a long way from Gaza.
00:45:58.39\00:46:00.77
And believe me we are
a long way from there.
00:46:00.80\00:46:04.70
Our members living in that
surrounding-- Very tough time.
00:46:04.73\00:46:07.69
With rockets coming down,
00:46:07.72\00:46:09.17
you know, that was
the problematic situation.
00:46:09.20\00:46:12.09
None of them wanted to move out.
00:46:12.12\00:46:14.38
They felt secure
and they wanted to,
00:46:14.41\00:46:17.24
you know, stay with
their neighbors. Wow.
00:46:17.27\00:46:19.60
And I was down there
today preaching in Beersheba.
00:46:19.63\00:46:24.55
Fantastic group of
people we have there.
00:46:24.58\00:46:26.97
Those members are so
faithful. Isn't that great?
00:46:27.00\00:46:29.35
And the Lord is blessing.
00:46:29.38\00:46:30.84
And I drove by
Gaza. It's peaceful now.
00:46:30.87\00:46:33.22
Oh, sure. Yeah, right.
00:46:33.25\00:46:34.62
So it's okay. Right, right.
00:46:34.65\00:46:36.22
And I just--I hesitate even to
talk about that type of thing,
00:46:36.25\00:46:43.01
but that is
challenging. It certainly is.
00:46:43.04\00:46:45.69
Question here
on the presentation
00:46:45.72\00:46:47.63
about the Jewish work.
00:46:47.66\00:46:49.59
Do you know any of the
Spirit of Prophecy quotation?
00:46:49.62\00:46:53.06
I've had them read
to me and I've had them.
00:46:53.09\00:46:55.87
I don't have any
right here with me.
00:46:55.90\00:46:57.72
If you go into the
E.G. White writings
00:46:57.75\00:47:00.15
put in Jewish
work and look at up,
00:47:00.18\00:47:02.55
I'm sure that you will find the
quotation that I alluded to you,
00:47:02.58\00:47:07.30
but I don't have
right on the top of my head.
00:47:07.33\00:47:12.46
And... so we've got
00:47:12.49\00:47:18.90
another question about the trip
00:47:18.93\00:47:23.46
and we will talk
about that in second half.
00:47:23.49\00:47:26.03
But Roger, what else can
we do to encourage people
00:47:26.06\00:47:31.53
to get to be involved in this
project here of study in here?
00:47:31.56\00:47:36.17
What--how can they
help you with this project?
00:47:36.20\00:47:40.04
Student come, they talk
to their professors about it,
00:47:40.07\00:47:43.41
remind them of the fact that
we have such a place in Israel.
00:47:43.44\00:47:48.12
Right. And tell
them we want to go there.
00:47:48.15\00:47:50.31
And they can contact you. Sure.
00:47:50.34\00:47:53.15
And they can email you. Yeah.
00:47:53.18\00:47:56.36
What is your email address?
00:47:56.39\00:47:58.62
roger.robertsen,
00:47:58.65\00:48:02.75
robertsen is with s-e-n. S-e-n.
00:48:02.78\00:48:06.50
At-- So it's
roger.robertsen, s-e-n.
00:48:06.53\00:48:11.95
That's robertsen@?
00:48:11.98\00:48:16.39
Netvision-- Netvision.com.
00:48:16.42\00:48:21.01
No, not netvision.net.
00:48:21.04\00:48:24.75
Okay, netvision.net.
00:48:24.78\00:48:27.45
.il. .il after that.
00:48:27.48\00:48:30.89
Yeah, that's for
Israel. That's for Israel.
00:48:30.92\00:48:34.37
We'll come to that
one more time because--
00:48:34.40\00:48:37.31
all right, are you ready?
00:48:37.34\00:48:38.71
Yeah. Give it to them.
00:48:38.74\00:48:40.11
Roger.robertsen
@netvision.net.il.
00:48:40.14\00:48:47.87
Uh-huh, very good.
00:48:47.90\00:48:49.27
That's complicated. Yeah, it is.
00:48:49.30\00:48:50.76
But I think that you're--
00:48:50.79\00:48:52.32
We're coming down to the close
of--the close of our first hour,
00:48:52.35\00:48:54.94
but is there any other project,
00:48:54.97\00:48:56.97
any other thing that you
have may be on a drawing board
00:48:57.00\00:48:59.27
or in your mind, in your heart
00:48:59.30\00:49:00.97
to reach this community which
we said at the top of the show,
00:49:01.00\00:49:05.68
it's little difficult to reach.
00:49:05.71\00:49:07.35
You can't use some of the
classical historic methods,
00:49:07.38\00:49:10.73
you got to think a little
more, got to pray a little more.
00:49:10.76\00:49:12.81
Has the Lord
given you anything else
00:49:12.84\00:49:14.81
that may be on a drawing board?
00:49:14.84\00:49:16.21
Oh, He sure has.
00:49:16.24\00:49:17.61
We have several
projects going now.
00:49:17.64\00:49:19.53
We are planning for them.
00:49:19.56\00:49:20.99
It's so called Life Hope
Centers, Centers of Interest.
00:49:21.02\00:49:24.91
And we already have
the place in Nazareth.
00:49:24.94\00:49:28.13
It's a nice building. It's gonna
be, you know, redone somewhat.
00:49:28.16\00:49:32.81
But we already have that place.
00:49:32.84\00:49:34.50
We have small group
of people meeting there.
00:49:34.53\00:49:37.32
So that's actually
sort of going already.
00:49:37.35\00:49:41.29
And then in hyper region,
00:49:41.32\00:49:42.80
we are planning to
start another such center.
00:49:42.83\00:49:46.42
We have--this
sentry in the Advent House.
00:49:46.45\00:49:48.88
We already started at synagogue.
00:49:48.91\00:49:51.29
So that's also reaching
out to the Jewish friends
00:49:51.32\00:49:54.50
that we have in
the surrounding area.
00:49:54.53\00:49:57.39
Planning another
one in Tel Aviv area.
00:49:57.42\00:50:00.87
And those projects
I have full confidence
00:50:00.90\00:50:04.76
in the fact that
we will make friends.
00:50:04.79\00:50:08.10
We will have an impact
in different communities.
00:50:08.13\00:50:11.53
All right, okay.
00:50:11.56\00:50:13.19
We have several
plans, you know, what to do--
00:50:13.22\00:50:15.30
So you're really putting
the old wine in new wineskins.
00:50:15.33\00:50:19.15
Yeah, that's right.
00:50:19.18\00:50:20.55
And, you know, the pastors here,
00:50:20.58\00:50:22.90
they are very eager
to get started. Yeah.
00:50:22.93\00:50:26.01
And many of the church members
down in Beersheba was today,
00:50:26.04\00:50:30.49
they all started asking
questions. What can we do?
00:50:30.52\00:50:33.44
How do we--how can
we do it and so on?
00:50:33.47\00:50:35.95
They are burning. They
want to share the message.
00:50:35.98\00:50:38.53
You know, I'm glad to hear that.
00:50:38.56\00:50:39.93
So there is
excitement to sort of
00:50:39.96\00:50:41.33
meet some of these
challenges. That's right.
00:50:41.36\00:50:42.73
And to implement
some of these new ideas.
00:50:42.76\00:50:44.27
Uh-huh. That is great.
00:50:44.30\00:50:45.67
That's right. That is great.
00:50:45.70\00:50:47.07
All right. Okay.
00:50:47.10\00:50:48.47
Well, listen, we
appreciate your coming.
00:50:48.50\00:50:51.30
I have one more question.
00:50:51.33\00:50:52.70
How many pastors do
we have now in Israel?
00:50:52.73\00:50:56.02
We have far too few pastors.
00:50:56.05\00:50:58.41
There are six
of us all together.
00:50:58.44\00:51:00.85
Are they full time pretty much?
00:51:00.88\00:51:02.68
Yeah, those are full time.
00:51:02.71\00:51:04.55
Then we have
couple of volunteers
00:51:04.58\00:51:07.46
and, you know, some other.
00:51:07.49\00:51:08.86
Departmental directors
are mainly people working,
00:51:08.89\00:51:12.28
you know, in different
areas and doing this part time.
00:51:12.31\00:51:16.29
Okay. Yeah.
00:51:16.32\00:51:17.69
And if somebody
wanted to come over here,
00:51:17.72\00:51:21.94
you had some expertise in
this area, they can contact you.
00:51:21.97\00:51:27.22
You know, some of
our most valuable workers
00:51:27.25\00:51:31.12
at 3ABN are volunteers.
00:51:31.15\00:51:34.22
Some of them are
young volunteers,
00:51:34.25\00:51:36.03
I mean, you know, they
are not, some are retired.
00:51:36.06\00:51:38.83
But they are extremely valuable.
00:51:38.86\00:51:40.70
And some of
them are experienced.
00:51:40.73\00:51:43.28
If they did, they can contact
you at that email address.
00:51:43.31\00:51:46.09
That would be great.
00:51:46.12\00:51:47.49
And perhaps they
would come and help. Yeah.
00:51:47.52\00:51:51.44
Thank you, sir. Thank you.
00:51:51.47\00:51:52.84
We appreciate your
coming. All righty.
00:51:52.87\00:51:54.60
Thank you, God bless
you. God bless you too.
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We're gonna be
following through.
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We want you to come to 3ABN
do another program at today show
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and we'll bring some pictures
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and show some
things at that time about--
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You just get in
touch and I'll be there.
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All right, all
the best. Thank you.
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God bless you. Thank you.
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Well, listen
that's exciting here.
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Do we have enough time
to bring another guest here?
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Well, let's bring, Joanne in
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and we'll just cross the hour
with her and do it that way.
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Okay, all right. That
was exciting visit for me.
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I know that we're getting
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tremendous mail
here from people.
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They're talking about how
much it's meaning to them.
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Only have one complaint
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and he said, "Thank
you for your reply."
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No, that was somebody else.
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But he also said
that he was upset
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because we're preempted Dwight.
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But Dwight is recorded
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and we'll try to
show that program again.
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This is live and we--
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this is the only opportunity
we had to do it. We apologize.
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We had to preempt
somebody, but we--anyway.
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Yeah. All right.
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Yeah, we're down to our last
minute, but we want to just--
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you actually do
get a chance to talk.
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Well, this is Joanne Davis
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and she comes all the way
from New Zealand. Yes, she does.
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So that's quite a little
trip doing some ministry.
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And I think we're
gonna hold her. All right.
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Till after the break because
we have a lot to talk about.
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We want to give her
chance to talk with.
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First of all,
good to have you here.
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Thank you very much. It's
great to see you both again.
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And I just had a
fantastic day off,
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sung in St. Ann's Church with
a wonderful choir Milestone.
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Jim, you were just wonderful.
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How many echoes in that church?
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Twenty seven I think.
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That's what they
say, but it is so amazing.
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We sounded like as
good a choir there could be.
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Do you know the other
tourists stopped? They did.
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And as people came out,
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they said, "Oh, did
you hear that choir."
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Well, that was-- it's enjoyable.
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And those of you that
have been with us before
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you know that we do this.
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And we sing "How Great Thou Art"
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and we sang "The Lord's prayer."
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And well, I tell you it
was exciting. It was wonderful.
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It was, wasn't it? It was.
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I have a very
conservative friend who would--
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he just does not
respond to anything emotionally.
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And we had him
on a trip one time.
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And we were singing, I looked
back, he had both hands up.
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And I thought oh, my,
but it was just so inspiring.
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It was and the father
there, the priest. Yes.
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As we lift, he was
inspired by the music
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and what a job he said.
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He gets to do that
all day, every day.
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Praise the
Lord. Listening to it.
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Pilgrims coming and just
praising God in his church.
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Yeah. Oh, praise
the Lord. All right.
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Yeah, we are coming
down to the end of our--
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I'm not sure
precisely how much time we have
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because our clock
isn't functioning.
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But I want to talk
about your ministry
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and then get a little bit more
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of your
impressions of this country.
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As a person with
newspaper background and--
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well, they tell me I'm hearing
in mic, we have two minutes.
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So you can talk a
little bit which I'm happy for.
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You had a good day up there.
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But give us your
impressions of this country
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and what's
going on as you see it
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from a sort of insight
kind of the background?
00:55:22.63\00:55:25.65
Well, it's really interesting.
00:55:25.68\00:55:27.10
I really didn't
commit to coming here
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until 3 o'clock on the
day I was supposed to leave
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because the news
reports were so dire.
00:55:32.89\00:55:35.93
And my folks were
particularly worried.
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The last time you saw us,
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David and I were together
and David passed away last year,
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that was a really
big loss for our family.
00:55:44.97\00:55:48.38
And the thought of
me coming to Israel
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on the
anniversary of David's death.
00:55:51.23\00:55:54.76
And coming into
such civil strife
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was a bit much for
the family to bear.
00:55:57.34\00:56:00.26
But coming here the reality
of it is just so much different
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to what we are
seeing on the news reports.
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And my impression is that this
is an incredibly spiritual place
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and a place where you
can reconnect with God
00:56:11.82\00:56:14.67
and enhance your spiritual
experience with such joy.
00:56:14.70\00:56:20.08
And it's so much better than
what I imagined it could be.
00:56:20.11\00:56:24.02
Yes. Praise God.
00:56:24.05\00:56:25.68
Praise God, yeah.
00:56:25.71\00:56:29.04
Yeah, we're down to
our last few seconds.
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We wanna talk about little bit
of ministry that you're involved
00:56:32.25\00:56:34.65
because you're doing some things
00:56:34.68\00:56:36.18
that we are
really excited about.
00:56:36.21\00:56:37.81
And get little more of
your impression of this place,
00:56:37.84\00:56:40.39
is this your first time here?
00:56:40.42\00:56:41.79
This is my first time
in this part of the world.
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In this part, aha.
00:56:43.43\00:56:45.08
And it's really exciting to me
00:56:45.11\00:56:46.73
because there is
such an opportunity
00:56:46.76\00:56:48.93
and a need for us to evangelize
the Arab world. Indeed.
00:56:48.96\00:56:52.68
And to actually meet
with these people face to face
00:56:52.71\00:56:56.00
and I want to tell you a story
00:56:56.03\00:56:57.40
that there's
something that happened today.
00:56:57.43\00:56:58.80
All right, we're gonna hold
that story to the second half
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because we're down to
our last five seconds.
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We're gonna be
back in five minutes.
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Stay with us.
We'll hear this story,
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got lot more to talk about.
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We'll see you shortly.
Five minutes, call your friends.
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