Good evening, we're
coming to you tonight
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from the campus of
Southern Adventist University.
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It's a beautiful
campus, isn't it C.A.?
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It is really a gorgeous campus
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and the weather has been
great and the meetings thus far
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that we're here
for, we'll talk about
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that little bit have
been great also. Yes.
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And we're just
glad to be at Southern.
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We really are.
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This is a place that
has a great deal of history
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and a place particularly that
we as 3ABN feel very close too.
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Because two of our
founding board members,
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first board of
directors are from this area.
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Ellsworth McKee,
the former president
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retired now of Mickey
Foods and Bill Hulsey,
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who had a large business here
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in the cabinet manufacturing
business for number of years.
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And these men
serves very faithfully
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and still serve on our board.
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Although Bill is now emeritus,
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but Ellsworth McKee still comes
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and is a part of the
3ABN Board of Directors.
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I saw, Jim, as we're
driving and I saw a building,
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the Hulsey Wellness
Center for health. That's right.
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And I suspect that's named after
the Hulsey's. Absolutely. Yeah.
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The Hulsey family has been very
generous with this university.
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And this is a university that
has grown over 3,000 students.
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And tonight we saw a
great number of them,
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even though this was test week.
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There was a ton
of young people here
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and enjoying
the ultimate purpose
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which we'll be talking
about little bit later on.
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And I hope that
most of you probably saw
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the ultimate purpose
tonight and you were blessed
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as we were
blessed by the message
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that Pastor Doug
Batchelor brought to us.
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Yeah, and Doug is gonna be
with us in just a little bit.
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We've got the
president Dr. Bietz,
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and we're gonna talk with him.
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Steven Roof, Doug Batchelor,
so we're gonna talk about
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a number of things tonight
as we're here on this campus,
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take advantage of being
in the academic setting.
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We got a dotter, was it
cross our T's and dot our I's
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and speak correctly now
that we're back on campus, Jim.
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Absolutely, and
sort of behave ourselves,
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if that's
possible. If that's possible.
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Right, right. Yes, indeed.
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We enjoy the Night Light program
because the Night Light program
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is different from
anything that we do.
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We talk about some
of the current issues
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that are facing
Christians around the world,
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that are facing Seventh-day
Adventist in particular.
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We've talked at times
about creation, evolution.
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We will touch on some
other subjects tonight
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that may be
somewhat controversial.
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Well, please
understand and occasionally
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we do get letters
from people saying,
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well, you seem to be
taking one side or the other,
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in most instances we try
to be very fair. Very true.
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And let us many
different opinions
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be offered as we
feel are reasonable.
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Now, we've always
felt that the burden
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of Night Light is to
just shine light on a subject.
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That's right. Pro, con whatever
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to help you make
your decision because
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as we sort of walk this
road that leads to glory.
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There are number of things that
the church is facing has faced,
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will face again as
we move through time
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that we need to talk about that.
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We need to sensitize the
church body too in the world
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and in the church and
that's what Night Light
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was designed to do, to
bring these subjects to light
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and to discuss them,
so that the people of God
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are informed and made aware.
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You know, some of
you realize and remember
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that Night Light began in
2010, in Atlanta, Georgia.
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This was at the
General Conference session.
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We were there night after
night and we had two sessions.
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We had an earlier
session that we did
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when it was unbelievably hot.
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And then we had a
later session that we did
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after meeting each night.
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We did it live and it
was at least somewhat cooler.
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But we were on the hill
overlooking the Georgia Dome
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and with a beautiful view of
the skyline of Atlanta, Georgia.
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And it was in that
setting that the whole concept
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began of this type of program.
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We don't just do
Night Light's all the time,
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we do it when
we're in a special place.
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This week we are
here on the campus
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of Southern
Adventist University.
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Next week we're going to
be at Oakwood University,
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in Huntsville, Alabama.
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And also next week there
will be an Anchors of Truth,
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it will be Anchors
Away, it will be in Huntsville
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and we'll have
different speaker every night.
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That is going to be
very interesting anchors
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coming from
Oakwood, lot of good music.
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What's the name of
the choir? The Aliens.
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They're going to be singing
for us. They will be singing.
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University choir, a number
of groups are going to be there.
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So you want to
look forward to that.
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I need to thank
you, man, for something.
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What's that? I'll do
it on public television.
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I had a surgical
procedure just some weeks ago
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right after our camp meeting.
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As many of you know, we were
suffering from prostate cancer,
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had gone out to Eden Valley
and really changed lifestyle,
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eating habits and
arrested it but didn't cure.
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And the doctors finally said,
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well, you've go to deal with it,
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so we had successful surgery.
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The pathology
report was excellent.
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The cancer is all gone
and we are praising the Lord.
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But the first
face I saw when I came
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out of surgery was
that of Jim Gilley.
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You know, you are
undern, you wake up
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and this is the
face that you see.
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Oh, man, that's enough to
make you wanna go back to sleep.
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But I will not
tell you all the things
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he said to me at
that particular time.
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And I deny every one of them.
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I was under
anesthetic, I'm not responsible.
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I did tell him I loved him.
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Yeah, that was the first time.
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Yeah. Then the
next thing he said,
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I don't even like you.
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So we had a great time.
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He doesn't recall any of that
at least he says he doesn't--
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Selective memory, I just,
I don't recall any of that,
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I admit to nothing. Yeah.
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But it's good to have
friends who are praying for you
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and I want to thank
all of those who did pray.
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J.D. and Shelley Quinn
came and stayed with my wife
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Irma while we were in surgery.
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Jim and Camille were in
the room when we came out
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and God is good,
things are working well.
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But we mentioned this
because of this reason.
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Even today I was
talking with some individuals
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who are facing that
prospect and many times
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I don't know what
happens with those guys,
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sometimes when we
hear certain words
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we kind of shy away from it.
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Even next week I'm
going to be talking
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with a person
whose numbers are rising
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but just doesn't
want to do anything.
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And, gentlemen,
I would say to you
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and I have talked
with many, many, many men
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in the years
that had the cancer.
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Get to a good doctor,
get to a Christian doctor.
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Pray way through,
don't be paralyzed by fear.
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Get the treatment,
do what you have to do.
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Trust God, you know, we
talk about trusting God.
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We go to church,
we pray, we sing.
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There are times when
you got to sort of cash
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in on that relationship.
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This may be for
you one of those times.
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Trust the Lord and move forward.
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Don't be paralyzed but fear--
by fear but trust the Lord
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and get the kind of
medical help that you deserve.
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And God will indeed be with you.
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You had a major
surgery some years ago.
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That's right. Open heart
surgery and God is with you.
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And very definitely
so and what a difference
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life has been for me after that.
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You know, amazing thing, you
sometimes want to procrastinate.
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Yeah. I
procrastinated that surgery
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until the doctor
said, you've reached
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the end of procrastination.
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You procrastinate
another three months
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and you will not
be alive. Uh-huh.
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Now, there comes
a time, gentlemen,
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when procrastination has to end.
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And if you are
facing something like this,
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we encourage you
to do something about.
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It's amazing, C.A. we want to
procrastinate good things. Yes.
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And we want to do
bad things immediately.
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I mean, we get those done
efficiently and quickly. Yes.
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We'll do something quickly
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that we will regret the
rest of our lives sometimes.
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But I'm urging you to do
what you need to do and to seek
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the medical help
that you need to seek.
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And C.A. knows, he's
been talking to several people
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individually and some
of you're watching tonight.
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And we know that you do
need to make this decision.
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In fact we have a guy
right behind that camera
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that may be
thinking about this decision.
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Yeah, we have that
conversation --that's right--
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Lucas one of
our great volunteers
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on camera tonight. And
we love this guy. Yeah.
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We really do. We
were speaking to him
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as much as we are to
anybody else here today.
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And there are many people like,
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you know, who are
in that category. Yeah.
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Get the help that you need
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and there are great
Christian physicians.
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We've got great
Adventist hospitals.
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Get advice, get
the help, get healthy,
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so you can serve
the Lord faithfully.
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You know, we've got a
special offer tonight.
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I have something in my
office hanging on my wall,
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I read it several
times, some times a week,
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several times a week, sometimes
a couple of times a day,
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at least parts of it.
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I'm not going to
read, try to read all of it
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but this is
keep about your work.
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Now the copy that was
given to me was given to me
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by E. E. Cleveland and but also
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H.M.S. Richards
quoted this often.
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And this is keep about your work
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"The Lord has
given every man his work.
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It is his business to
do it, the devil's business
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to hinder him if he can.
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So, sure as God has
given you a work to do,
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Satan will try to hinder you.
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He may present other
things more promising,
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he may allure you
by worldly prospect,
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he may assault you with slander,
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torment you with
false accusations,
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set you to work
defending your character,
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employ pious
persons to lie about you,
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and excellent
men to slander you.
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You may have Pilate and Herod,
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Ananias and Caiaphas
all combined against you,
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and Judas standing by to sell
you for 30 pieces of silver.
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And you may wonder why all
of those things come upon you.
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Can you not see that the
whole thing is brought about
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through the craft of the devil,
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to draw you off from your work
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and hinder your
obedience to God?"
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Now I'm gonna read more of this
to you throughout the night,
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but I want you to
have your own copy.
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And you can have it by simply
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calling 618-627-4651.
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And just ask them to
send you a copy of this,
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it's suitable for framing.
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It is a beautiful job.
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Greg Marconi and
our art department
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have put this together, printed
it for us and we are really--
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I am really happy for this.
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It's better than
the copy I've got.
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I'm gonna take mine
out and put this one in.
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But I want to send it to you
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and it's absolutely
our free gift to you.
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There are a number of
other passages this is really--
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I'm looking at this is
really, really well done.
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You can also get this by
emailing us freeoffer@3abn.org
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freeoffer one
word freeoffer@3abn.org
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and we'll get this
and mail it to you.
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This is something you
want to put up on your,
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you know, your
refrigerator or your wall
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and sort of just
read it to yourself,
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rehearse it in your mind.
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Great encouragement and
we'll be glad to send it to you.
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Well, we read it well.
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Well, when you
come to university
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one of the things you want to do
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is talk to the university
president. Indeed you do?
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And I have known this
man for a number of years
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and we're going to invite
Gordon Bietz, Dr. Gordon Bietz,
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the President of
Southern Adventist University
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to come and to join
us here at Night Light
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at this particular
time. Dr. Bietz, welcome.
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We're happy to have you with us.
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Good to see you. Okay. Okay.
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Well, thanks very much. Well,
this is a beautiful campus.
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Absolutely. And we've
noticed that a lot of changes,
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every time I come by
here, there's something new,
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something taking place. Yeah.
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I just noticed even
today that you moved
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your radio station
to another location.
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We've doubled our
enrolment in the last
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number of years, about 14 years.
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There are 3,300 students now.
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3300--Praise God. Praise God.
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And that requires dormitory
space and renovation of housing,
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and more class rooms,
and teacher's offices.
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Wow. So there's a lot
of construction going on.
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Yeah, it really is.
Let's get some history.
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How old is the campus,
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how long have you been on
this particular footprint?
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Just a little
history of the school itself.
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I was afraid you're
gonna ask me how old I was?
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That's why I was little
concern there you said how old.
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How old is the campus?
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1912, it's when we
moved here from Graceville
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and from
Graceville it was in 1892
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when the campus
was kind of founded.
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But they came to this location
purchasing a farm in about 1912.
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So it's been here, well,
100 years or so. All right.
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Now, when did McKee Foods move
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into this general
area, did you know.
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I think that was in the
early 50s' and the plant
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that they
operated on our campus,
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we actually built for
them and its only this year
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that they finally
vacated that plant
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and they are moving to
more efficient facilities
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but they've been connected with
the university for many years.
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Yes. I think
they've moved here primarily
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to take advantage of student
labor and so forth. Yeah.
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In doing the baking. Yeah.
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Well, the Lord
has certainly blessed
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that organization and I first
became acquainted with them
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in 1960, in fact just at
the time when they started
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using the brand
name Little Debbie.
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And my
father-in-law, Roy Thurman
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was the pastor
here at that time.
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And in fact he was the pastor
when they brought the church.
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Yes. As you know? That's right.
As you pastored that church.
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Yes, I pastured,
it began in 1981.
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Okay. And then you went from
there to be president of the--
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I pastored the
church for 13 years
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and was President of the
Georgia Cumberland Conference
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for three and then for 15 years
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now I've been
with the university.
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At the university.
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And now tell us a
little bit about yourself.
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Where are you from
originally and your father?
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Well, my father R.R.
Bietz was Union President
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in the Pacific Union and
then a General Conference
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Vice President
for a while. Okay.
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Past away few years ago at 99.
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Wow. So I'm hoping
I've good genes. Yes.
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But I grew up in
California when my dad was out
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there pastored in
Northern California,
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all of my ministry
until we moved back here.
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Gary Patterson
invited me back here
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to pastor the
Collegedale Church.
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So we lived in the same
house for over 30 years.
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Is that right? And, you
know, we need a fire or a move
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'cause we filled
our house out with--
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And that in the circles
30 years in the same house
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as he is way to accomplishment.
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Yeah, as a pastor,
yeah that's amazing.
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I think you and Max Trevino
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probably may
have hold the record.
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May be, that's possible.
Between the two of you.
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But, so you have
been president here,
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you've seen
this university grow,
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in fact you saw it changed
from college to a university.
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That happened just about
the time I became president.
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Okay. And then you had a--how
many members about, I mean--
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Well, about 1,500,
1,400 students at that time.
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And has 3,300 students today.
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Well, that's just fantastic.
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What are some of the
majors that you offer,
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you know, and
beyond the college level.
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Well, the primary
masters degrees that we have.
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We're starting a
Computer Science Master's Degree
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actually right now this fall.
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And so that will be
another one that we're adding,
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but we have
Master's of Education,
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of course Master's in Religion.
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We have Master's in Social Work.
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And we have some others that
I'm not thinking of right now.
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Okay, all right.
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Well, listen, you have
been here for a little while,
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what are some of
the major challenges
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that a university
such as Southern faces?
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Can you imagine 3,300 children
from 3,300 different homes,
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with 3,300
different value systems. Yeah.
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And bringing them
together on a campus
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and seeking to bring
conservative coherence
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of Seventh-day Adventist
lifestyle and so forth,
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that's a challenge. It is.
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It's a challenge. Fortunately
I believe our institution
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attracts a genre of
student that is committed
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to the kind of ministry
that we seek to provide.
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Praise God. And
they create a peer group
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that encourages other students.
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And so I think we have created
a really positive atmosphere
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that upholds Seventh-day
Adventist standards and values.
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So you have a
nucleus of students
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that really kind of
hold the concept together?
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In reality I think the culture
of the institution is determined
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as much by the
students as it is by
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the faculty and staff.
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And so we attract
those kinds of students,
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so they built the culture.
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We have over a 100
student missionaries,
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you know, they come
back every year having gone
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the student missionaries
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and they help
create that culture.
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We have 300
students this year applied
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to do Share Him
evangelistic crusades.
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Oh, praise God. Next summer
and we can't handle that many.
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Wow. But we will
send out a lot of students
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to do Share Him
evangelistic campaigns.
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They come back, they have that
excitement and that enthusiasm.
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And so they really
create the atmosphere
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and ambience on the campus,
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I think that's a
real positive asset.
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You know, you
said a couple of terms
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that sort of just
resonated in my head.
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First of all you
said conservative approach
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to learning and to
the Adventist culture
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if I can use the terminology.
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When we think of Southern,
you brought my step son
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here several years ago.
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And he was-- he
now works at 3ABN
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and perhaps in all departments,
so you got him straight.
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But he was in that
position should I, should I not,
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kind of marginal. Yeah.
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Knowing about the Lord,
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but not really having a
personal one on one relationship
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and it was in his two years
here that we saw a right turn,
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as we say left turn
but actually right turn.
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So there was something even then
about the culture of the school
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and the kinds of students
you were then attracting
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and are now
attracting that seem to give
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a flavor of, we're coming
here to learn about the Lord,
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to learn the Lord for ourselves
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and then go out
to serve the Lord.
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So that is a credit
to what you're doing
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and the kinds of
students that this college,
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this university
seems to attract.
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There is a
significant study done by man
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named Austin entitled
"The Four Critical Years"
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who indicates that the
single most determining factor
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in values, development,
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for a 18 to 22-year-old
is the peer group. Agreed.
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That they associate with.
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Exactly. You develop
the kind of peer group
00:19:36.03\00:19:38.16
that builds spiritual
Christian Seventh-day Adventist
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values and other
kids go along, it builds.
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I pay you then this compliment
because some of our best
00:19:47.41\00:19:50.02
at 3ABN have sat in
this hall, we got. Yeah.
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I'm gonna miss somebody
Michael Yang and Joe Baker,
00:19:53.18\00:19:56.03
you got Nicole, Kai Warren,
Ariel, probably we gonna leave
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somebody out but
everybody we've gotten from you
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have been really fine
workers and they've come
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with a working relationship with
Jesus Christ, so we want more.
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If you got some more,
send us we'll take them.
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Well, they're
all looking for jobs.
00:20:09.42\00:20:11.71
In fact we have an
intern beginning right now
00:20:11.74\00:20:13.83
that's just coming from here.
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Well, interestingly enough today
I was talking to the managing,
00:20:15.27\00:20:20.21
well, I don't
know if he is a manager
00:20:20.24\00:20:21.76
but he is an employee
of the local NBC affiliate.
00:20:21.79\00:20:25.49
They were out here
recruiting students as interns
00:20:25.52\00:20:28.83
and one of the gentlemen said
that when they get a application
00:20:28.86\00:20:33.40
from someone from
Southern Adventist University,
00:20:33.43\00:20:35.32
it goes to the top
of the pile right away.
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Oh, praise God. Because
the students from Southern
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are just great, great students.
00:20:39.52\00:20:42.03
Yeah, that must make
you feel really good about
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what you're doing and the kind
of products you're turning out.
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Right, absolutely right.
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You know, one of the
questions that a lot of people
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are asking today is,
where does this campus stand
00:20:51.02\00:20:55.70
on the teaching of
creation and evolution?
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As you and all of us know, there
have been some of our schools
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that where there
has been talk other than
00:21:03.46\00:21:07.76
a literal six day creation.
00:21:07.79\00:21:10.96
What has been the
position of Southern?
00:21:10.99\00:21:14.57
All of our faculty
and our biology department
00:21:14.60\00:21:18.27
in particular are very
committed to the, the creation,
00:21:18.30\00:21:23.99
fiat creation and
the non-evolutionary
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approach to a
microevolution but that God
00:21:27.58\00:21:31.18
called everything into being.
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We have every Friday,
in fact today a group met,
00:21:33.14\00:21:35.97
the biology teachers
and the religion faculty
00:21:36.00\00:21:40.67
meet together every
Friday for a sack lunch
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to discuss these issues.
00:21:42.77\00:21:44.50
And they have ongoing
conversations about it.
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We have actually on the biology
floor in our biology building,
00:21:47.11\00:21:52.76
we've built a museum
00:21:52.79\00:21:54.26
to illustrate
intelligent design.
00:21:54.29\00:21:56.85
So as students go
in, they can be inundated
00:21:56.88\00:22:00.23
in a sense by the approach
of the intelligent design.
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Do you think that
perhaps some of the growth
00:22:04.12\00:22:06.84
that you had in recent
years may have been as a result
00:22:06.87\00:22:10.58
of people knowing
they can safely send
00:22:10.61\00:22:13.15
their young people
to this university?
00:22:13.18\00:22:15.03
I think that's
part of it, certainly.
00:22:15.06\00:22:16.99
And there are some
places where right now
00:22:17.02\00:22:21.13
they don't feel as
safe about sending them.
00:22:21.16\00:22:24.24
Yes, and I don't
want to be critical
00:22:24.27\00:22:27.21
of some of the
other institutions.
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There are different approaches.
00:22:28.80\00:22:31.26
There are
different needs in some parts
00:22:31.29\00:22:33.66
of the country as well.
00:22:33.69\00:22:35.14
And I think they all are seeking
00:22:35.17\00:22:36.94
to in their best way
serve their constituency.
00:22:36.97\00:22:40.32
But I think your point is
well taken that we do have
00:22:40.35\00:22:42.74
a attraction for
parents who are looking for,
00:22:42.77\00:22:46.80
I think more
conservative approach.
00:22:46.83\00:22:48.29
I know that my
children are now educated
00:22:48.32\00:22:50.78
and I'm looking
towards grandchildren. Yeah.
00:22:50.81\00:22:53.18
And their education, but
I'll assure you of one thing
00:22:53.21\00:22:56.82
that I would strongly
encourage my grandchildren
00:22:56.85\00:23:02.53
to be in a program where
they don't have to fight against
00:23:02.56\00:23:07.32
a teachings that are other
than what our church believes.
00:23:07.35\00:23:12.25
And particularly a
Sabbath keeping group
00:23:12.28\00:23:14.68
such as Seventh-day
Adventist to teach other than
00:23:14.71\00:23:19.31
the Seventh-day
literal creation.
00:23:19.34\00:23:22.62
We--are all of a sudden
totally out of our philosophy
00:23:22.65\00:23:26.89
of where we
even-- why we even exist?
00:23:26.92\00:23:30.21
And so I would--I think
that rather than taking a chance
00:23:30.24\00:23:36.70
on sending my
child in an environment
00:23:36.73\00:23:41.04
where they're
saying, well, let's examine
00:23:41.07\00:23:43.75
this or let's examine that.
00:23:43.78\00:23:45.66
I would rather send
him to where they say,
00:23:45.69\00:23:48.39
this is what we believe and
they stand by what we believe.
00:23:48.42\00:23:51.55
And I think most
parents feel that way
00:23:51.58\00:23:53.30
and that's why they
have faith in you here.
00:23:53.33\00:23:56.23
I do think it's
also important for us
00:23:56.26\00:23:58.79
to teach evolution,
to teach the issues.
00:23:58.82\00:24:02.99
For them to know what it is.
00:24:03.02\00:24:04.39
To know what it's about.
00:24:04.42\00:24:05.79
And to be able to comeback.
00:24:05.82\00:24:07.19
To be able to deal with it.
00:24:07.22\00:24:08.59
That's right. Because I think
that if they don't confront
00:24:08.62\00:24:12.01
some of those issues in
the supportive environment.
00:24:12.04\00:24:15.49
Right. They'll be blown away
00:24:15.52\00:24:16.89
when they go outside of that
environment. Exactly, exactly.
00:24:16.92\00:24:18.74
And so we do and have on
occasion brought in actually
00:24:18.77\00:24:22.22
an evolutionist teacher to
present his opinion to a class
00:24:22.25\00:24:29.20
and then have
conversation with the students
00:24:29.23\00:24:31.20
after that and discuss that.
00:24:31.23\00:24:32.60
I've mentioned
this before on the air
00:24:32.63\00:24:34.45
but when Richard Dawkins
was on with Bill O'Reilly
00:24:34.48\00:24:40.56
they had a series of discussions
on Bill O'Reilly's program.
00:24:40.59\00:24:44.83
And when it
came down at the end,
00:24:44.86\00:24:47.73
O'Reilly said to Dawkins,
you have not convinced me
00:24:47.76\00:24:52.69
and what is more I see
that evolutionists all disagree
00:24:52.72\00:24:57.72
with each other on the amount
of time and on the methods,
00:24:57.75\00:25:00.62
and what
happened, and this and that.
00:25:00.65\00:25:02.65
And he said, you know, until you
fellows get this thing together,
00:25:02.68\00:25:05.92
I'm gonna stick with
the biblical account.
00:25:05.95\00:25:08.74
And I think that it is good
for our young people to know,
00:25:08.77\00:25:15.92
but also to have the answers as
to why these don't hold water.
00:25:15.95\00:25:22.06
You know, one of my arguments in
a sense for the six day creation
00:25:22.09\00:25:28.76
is that Jesus is very
clear that He doesn't spend
00:25:28.79\00:25:33.47
two million years
recreating me. Right.
00:25:33.50\00:25:35.88
When the resurrection
comes. That's right.
00:25:35.91\00:25:37.67
When the resurrection
comes I want it now. Yeah.
00:25:37.70\00:25:39.75
Yes, sir. And Jesus also said,
00:25:39.78\00:25:42.43
"If it were not so I would
have told you." Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:42.46\00:25:45.85
And He had every opportunity
to tell us that creation
00:25:45.88\00:25:49.65
was not so and He never did.
00:25:49.68\00:25:51.64
In fact He seem to put His stamp
00:25:51.67\00:25:54.50
of approval on it.
Absolutely. At every step.
00:25:54.53\00:25:56.84
So if you believe in
Jesus, then and you believe
00:25:56.87\00:26:00.12
that the Ten Commandments was
written by the finger of God.
00:26:00.15\00:26:03.23
You have ample biblical
information there to face you--
00:26:03.26\00:26:08.02
While you were here I
would encourage you to go
00:26:08.05\00:26:09.90
through the museum,
it's very fascinating.
00:26:09.93\00:26:12.37
Yeah. We have a great museum
over there that illustrates
00:26:12.40\00:26:15.01
the importance and the--
intelligent design issues.
00:26:15.04\00:26:18.55
Yeah, I want to get back to
something that Jim talked about
00:26:18.58\00:26:20.72
just a little bit ago because
you've been here now 15 years
00:26:20.75\00:26:23.80
as president and each position
00:26:23.83\00:26:26.96
carries with it's
own attendant challenges.
00:26:26.99\00:26:29.78
Pastoring, one
set of challenges.
00:26:29.81\00:26:31.95
Teaching, one set of challenges.
00:26:31.98\00:26:33.56
Conference president,
another set of challenge
00:26:33.59\00:26:35.12
and of course president
of educational institution.
00:26:35.15\00:26:38.78
What do you see now are
the greatest challenges?
00:26:38.82\00:26:41.89
I want to go
back to that and add
00:26:41.92\00:26:43.33
to that what has been
the change in the student
00:26:43.36\00:26:46.56
mindset over those 15 years?
00:26:46.59\00:26:48.62
I mean, we're now
in the I generation,
00:26:48.65\00:26:50.02
iPad, iPod, iPhone, yeah,
yeah, you know, we've got I's.
00:26:50.05\00:26:53.84
So the technological curve
has changed just a little bit,
00:26:53.87\00:26:58.27
but as you look
back over those 15 years
00:26:58.30\00:26:59.99
what kind of job was coming then
00:27:00.02\00:27:02.40
as oppose to what's coming now?
00:27:02.43\00:27:03.80
Well, clearly the culture is
challenging our young people.
00:27:03.83\00:27:07.53
Yes, yes. I think
that across the board
00:27:07.56\00:27:10.01
because of it's acts
accessible, you know,
00:27:10.04\00:27:13.46
we don't for instance want
them to have and have never
00:27:13.49\00:27:17.51
allowed them to have
televisions in the room
00:27:17.54\00:27:19.53
but if you have a
computer in the room,
00:27:19.56\00:27:21.18
I mean, you
know, it's all there.
00:27:21.21\00:27:24.12
I mean anything on
the internet is there.
00:27:24.15\00:27:25.68
You can screen all
you want off the internet,
00:27:25.71\00:27:27.75
but there are ways to get around
some of that and so I think
00:27:27.78\00:27:32.25
that we need to be
teaching more of the values
00:27:32.28\00:27:35.44
in strengthening
their core convictions
00:27:35.47\00:27:38.25
for internal resistance to some
of the things that the culture
00:27:38.28\00:27:41.74
is trying to cramp
down their throats.
00:27:41.77\00:27:43.75
I think that's more
of a challenge today
00:27:43.78\00:27:45.32
than it was 15 years ago.
00:27:45.35\00:27:49.34
Other challenges certainly
I think higher education
00:27:49.37\00:27:53.13
itself is challenged
today by the internet courses
00:27:53.16\00:27:57.83
that are being offered
for free across the country.
00:27:57.86\00:28:00.91
And education in the future
is going to be challenged.
00:28:00.94\00:28:04.42
I believe we will always
have a place for a living,
00:28:04.45\00:28:07.62
learning, residential
environment where we can pass
00:28:07.65\00:28:10.94
the mantle of faith
from the older generation
00:28:10.97\00:28:13.25
to the younger generation.
00:28:13.28\00:28:14.71
You don't sing in the
choir on the internet very well.
00:28:14.74\00:28:18.14
You don't play in
there intramurals very well.
00:28:18.17\00:28:20.77
You don't have the experience
of the living learning
00:28:20.80\00:28:23.26
environment in the dormitory.
00:28:23.29\00:28:25.07
And so I think there
always be a place for a place
00:28:25.10\00:28:27.52
like Southern
Adventist University.
00:28:27.55\00:28:29.79
But we are challenged by
some of the internet courses
00:28:29.82\00:28:32.95
that were kids can
pick up a lot of education
00:28:32.98\00:28:35.37
without coming to the school.
00:28:35.40\00:28:39.46
You know, there are a lot
of issues that face this church
00:28:39.49\00:28:43.93
today and we mention the
creation evolution issue.
00:28:43.96\00:28:48.07
More recently there has been
the issue of women's ordination
00:28:48.10\00:28:52.73
that has been around before,
it was dealt with it in Utrecht
00:28:52.76\00:28:56.78
at the General
Conference session.
00:28:56.81\00:28:58.95
I think there was another
session may be Indianapolis
00:28:58.98\00:29:02.02
that they dealt with it.
00:29:02.05\00:29:03.44
And, and then
it's--it disappeared
00:29:03.47\00:29:05.88
for a little
while from the agenda.
00:29:05.91\00:29:08.32
In fact I know that
Elder Parson told me
00:29:08.35\00:29:11.50
that he sent out questionnaires
to the different division
00:29:11.53\00:29:14.85
presidents before the last
General Conference in Atlanta
00:29:14.88\00:29:19.67
and he did not even
receive very many replies
00:29:19.70\00:29:23.22
from them or even what whether
they want to discuss it or not.
00:29:23.25\00:29:26.45
So it was not put on
the agenda at that time.
00:29:26.48\00:29:29.25
However it has become
right to the forefront now.
00:29:29.28\00:29:32.64
You are I believe
chair of a committee
00:29:32.67\00:29:37.10
that's studying it for North
American Division, is it true?
00:29:37.13\00:29:40.16
The General Conference
has asked that each division
00:29:40.19\00:29:43.24
form a kind of
biblical research commission
00:29:43.27\00:29:46.62
or committee to look in
to the issue of the theology
00:29:46.65\00:29:50.02
of ordination as well as
whether it would be appropriate
00:29:50.05\00:29:54.36
to ordain women to
the gospel ministry.
00:29:54.39\00:29:57.06
And so the division has
asked me to chair a group
00:29:57.09\00:30:00.82
of about 14 or 15 people
that are looking at this issue
00:30:00.85\00:30:05.80
and we've to bring a report
00:30:05.83\00:30:07.34
to the year end
meeting, a year from now. Okay.
00:30:07.37\00:30:10.03
As to the
consensus that we come to.
00:30:10.06\00:30:13.07
We do not have a
unanimity on the group
00:30:13.10\00:30:16.04
that doesn't surprise, does it?
00:30:16.07\00:30:17.45
No, I'm just shocked.
00:30:17.48\00:30:21.05
Now these are
administrators, educators?
00:30:21.08\00:30:23.18
There are some administrators,
there are some pastors,
00:30:23.21\00:30:26.11
there are some theologians,
it's a variety of--variety mix
00:30:26.14\00:30:29.82
that was chosen by
00:30:29.85\00:30:31.98
the North American
Division Administrative Group.
00:30:32.01\00:30:34.65
You know, one of the
things that has come up
00:30:34.68\00:30:36.97
since this discussion was
how ordination actually began,
00:30:37.00\00:30:43.06
then someone pointed
out to me, they said,
00:30:43.09\00:30:45.71
there's really no
biblical ordination
00:30:45.74\00:30:48.81
and that it was something that
arose in the Catholic Church
00:30:48.84\00:30:54.00
to control who was
to give the sacraments.
00:30:54.03\00:30:57.47
And that therefore
they really questioned
00:30:57.50\00:31:00.37
whether ordination
is biblical at all?
00:31:00.40\00:31:03.23
Well, the ordination
is not a word in the Bible
00:31:03.26\00:31:05.83
that you would use a lot,
00:31:05.86\00:31:07.23
but there is the
laying on of hands. Yes.
00:31:07.26\00:31:09.18
And what does it mean
theologically that you lay
00:31:09.21\00:31:13.67
on the hands on
someone and that's one
00:31:13.70\00:31:15.32
of the things
that we'll be studying.
00:31:15.35\00:31:16.75
I served on the ordination
study commission and I think 19,
00:31:16.78\00:31:22.51
late 1980s' that
Neal Wilson established.
00:31:22.54\00:31:26.55
We met for three or four or
five days out of Cana Springs.
00:31:26.58\00:31:31.26
I have a stack of papers about
this high from everybody under
00:31:31.29\00:31:35.36
the sun and we have been
collecting those plus more.
00:31:35.39\00:31:39.79
I don't know that we need to do
a lot more theological papers.
00:31:39.82\00:31:45.80
We need to come
to some consensus
00:31:45.83\00:31:47.46
on the papers that we have.
00:31:47.49\00:31:49.28
It is true that the
church has not developed
00:31:49.31\00:31:51.40
a real clear
theology of ordination.
00:31:51.43\00:31:54.03
What does it mean?
00:31:54.06\00:31:55.60
Is it simply giving
in appointing somebody
00:31:55.63\00:31:59.88
or is it anointing them?
00:31:59.91\00:32:02.76
Is it a sacramental service
00:32:02.79\00:32:05.09
or is it
appointing them to a task?
00:32:05.12\00:32:08.04
I think those distinctions
need to be clarified
00:32:08.07\00:32:10.76
in terms of what
we intended to be.
00:32:10.79\00:32:13.08
Let's talk just a little bit,
Dr. Bietz, about the process.
00:32:13.11\00:32:16.22
I know your committee will
make a report next year at--
00:32:16.25\00:32:20.41
Yes. Now is that for all
of the division committees
00:32:20.44\00:32:22.62
and then something
coherent will be done
00:32:22.65\00:32:24.02
at the general conference?
What is the, the process?
00:32:24.05\00:32:25.49
Process then is those
reports that are approved
00:32:25.52\00:32:28.59
by each division
will go to a larger group
00:32:28.62\00:32:32.63
that is appointed by
the general conference
00:32:32.66\00:32:34.64
that represents
all the divisions.
00:32:34.67\00:32:37.01
They will then bring a report
probably to annual council
00:32:37.04\00:32:40.21
in 14 and then in 15 it would go
00:32:40.24\00:32:43.49
to the general
conference session.
00:32:43.52\00:32:44.89
And that will be
in San Antonio. Yes.
00:32:44.92\00:32:47.37
And some people have
said, the Battle of the Alamo
00:32:47.40\00:32:49.56
will be fought
again in San Antonio.
00:32:49.59\00:32:53.52
But it will be
quite interesting--I think
00:32:53.55\00:32:56.62
that there are some
people who are very concerned
00:32:56.65\00:33:01.04
that individual unions
will begin to make decisions
00:33:01.07\00:33:06.83
rather than waiting for
that process and waiting
00:33:06.86\00:33:11.60
for it to take place
at the general conference,
00:33:11.63\00:33:13.64
are you hearing some of that?
00:33:13.67\00:33:15.54
Yes, certainly, in that
there was an appeal even on our
00:33:15.57\00:33:18.88
committee that we
should appeal to those unions
00:33:18.91\00:33:21.91
to wait until such time
as the full report came out.
00:33:21.94\00:33:25.45
I think those unions feel
00:33:25.48\00:33:27.24
they've waited
long enough probably.
00:33:27.27\00:33:29.69
So I'm sure
that's there conviction.
00:33:29.72\00:33:32.91
I do wish in some ways
that this does not need
00:33:32.94\00:33:37.40
to be the 29th
fundamental belief.
00:33:37.43\00:33:39.79
We do not need
to rise the stakes
00:33:39.82\00:33:42.34
so high that the
unity of the church
00:33:42.37\00:33:44.93
some how must
depend on everybody
00:33:44.96\00:33:47.91
coming to a unanimous
decision on this issue.
00:33:47.94\00:33:51.46
There are, you know,
there are more important issues
00:33:51.49\00:33:55.41
and we're all saved by
the grace of the good Lord.
00:33:55.44\00:33:58.50
Amen. And I think we need to
focus on that and I'm spreading
00:33:58.53\00:34:01.38
the message and not
getting too distracted.
00:34:01.41\00:34:04.71
Yeah. Having spoken
about spreading the message,
00:34:04.74\00:34:06.98
you want to make
another left turn and swing back
00:34:07.01\00:34:08.84
because you've got a
very interesting rather thick
00:34:08.87\00:34:11.14
and impressive
book in your hand.
00:34:11.17\00:34:13.42
Tell us a little bit about
00:34:13.45\00:34:14.82
what's in here and
what this is all about?
00:34:14.85\00:34:16.22
You know, many
times when people appear
00:34:16.25\00:34:19.37
on the morning shows, NBC,
you know what they're doing.
00:34:19.40\00:34:22.21
Just for pulling
their book. Okay.
00:34:22.24\00:34:24.67
So here's my opportunity.
00:34:24.70\00:34:28.40
It's quite a offer.
This is the book, okay.
00:34:28.43\00:34:30.60
All right. Steve
Pawluk and I, Steve Pawluk
00:34:30.63\00:34:33.81
is Provost of La
Sierra University.
00:34:33.84\00:34:35.79
He was the academic dean here
00:34:35.82\00:34:37.80
at Southern Adventist University
for a number of years.
00:34:37.83\00:34:40.80
He is the primary mover behind
this, but this book entitled
00:34:40.83\00:34:46.50
is Seventh-day Adventist Higher
Education in North America,
00:34:46.53\00:34:49.41
Theological
Perspectives and Current Issues.
00:34:49.44\00:34:52.72
And Steve and I have asked
a variety of authors to bring
00:34:52.75\00:34:57.79
their perspectives and
I'll share just a couple
00:34:57.82\00:35:00.80
of those...authors
so you can get it.
00:35:00.83\00:35:04.35
Now, I hold your
mic and you can turn.
00:35:04.38\00:35:06.03
Turn the book, here we go.
00:35:06.06\00:35:09.19
We have a
section on the theology
00:35:09.22\00:35:10.77
of Seventh-day
Adventist Higher Education,
00:35:10.80\00:35:12.68
the value added aspect
00:35:12.71\00:35:14.45
of Seventh-day
Adventist Higher Education.
00:35:14.48\00:35:16.48
External
perspectives and the future
00:35:16.51\00:35:18.40
of Seventh-day
Adventist Higher Education.
00:35:18.43\00:35:20.19
With authors like
Digosbern and Randal Wisbey,
00:35:20.22\00:35:26.58
Heather Knight, Don
Williams, Bailey Gillespie,
00:35:26.61\00:35:29.33
Douglas Herman,
David Thomas, Steve Pawluk,
00:35:29.36\00:35:31.96
Niels-Erik Andreasen and
these are chapters of the book.
00:35:31.99\00:35:36.81
Yes. So it was our
attempt to seek to crystallize
00:35:36.84\00:35:42.19
and all the chapters here
don't agree on the approaches
00:35:42.22\00:35:45.33
but to
crystallize some perspectives
00:35:45.36\00:35:47.80
on higher education.
00:35:47.83\00:35:49.20
I don't think that
we had done quite enough
00:35:49.23\00:35:50.77
if in this area in the church.
00:35:50.80\00:35:53.59
Well, that's interesting and--
00:35:53.62\00:35:55.70
And you can get it at the ABC.
00:35:55.73\00:35:57.10
ABC, okay. So if you
would like to get a copy
00:35:57.13\00:36:01.63
of that, you go to ABC.
00:36:01.66\00:36:03.03
This is Pacific Press I see?
00:36:03.06\00:36:04.43
Yeah, it was
published by the Pacific Press.
00:36:04.46\00:36:05.91
Pacific Press, yeah, all right.
00:36:05.94\00:36:08.27
Well, listen, I think
that is much needed and I hope
00:36:08.30\00:36:12.90
that any one who's interested
in Adventist education
00:36:12.93\00:36:15.84
will pick up a copy. Well,
it stimulates the conversation.
00:36:15.87\00:36:17.61
Yes, it does. Yes, man,
that answers a lot of questions
00:36:17.64\00:36:20.27
and maybe even
raises some others. Yeah.
00:36:20.30\00:36:23.56
One of the things I
think that, that parents
00:36:23.59\00:36:25.53
want to see Adventist
education, who know education,
00:36:25.56\00:36:29.39
training children is not cheap,
there's an investment there.
00:36:29.42\00:36:32.38
You want a kind of feel
when you're out there working
00:36:32.41\00:36:35.72
at second job or putting
in an overtime to get your
00:36:35.75\00:36:38.26
child to school, that,
that school has your child's
00:36:38.29\00:36:41.33
best interest at heart,
that they're gonna come out
00:36:41.36\00:36:44.10
of that school
certainly with education
00:36:44.13\00:36:46.79
but with also
inspiration and a working
00:36:46.82\00:36:49.29
relationship with God.
00:36:49.32\00:36:50.69
Now, no college can guarantee
that, but if you can create
00:36:50.72\00:36:53.69
the atmosphere, the
culture where a relationship
00:36:53.72\00:36:56.34
can be forged or formed,
then I don't mind working
00:36:56.37\00:37:00.21
that extra job to send
my child to that school.
00:37:00.24\00:37:02.53
So for all pulling in the
same direction then we can pass
00:37:02.56\00:37:05.07
the torch on to a
generation that will carry on
00:37:05.10\00:37:08.73
in the trajectory
that we've already been
00:37:08.76\00:37:10.50
traveling in and I
think that's important.
00:37:10.53\00:37:11.90
And believe me it's
worth the investment. Yes.
00:37:11.93\00:37:14.11
Absolutely worthy investment.
00:37:14.14\00:37:16.18
Nothing is more valuable.
00:37:16.21\00:37:19.47
Our four of our children
were educated in our system
00:37:19.50\00:37:22.87
and it was not cheap because
00:37:22.90\00:37:25.97
I was not
denominationally employed.
00:37:26.00\00:37:28.79
I did not receive
any subsidy whatsoever.
00:37:28.82\00:37:33.37
No discounts and so I will say
this--I did for one child right
00:37:33.40\00:37:38.76
at the end but that's
all and only a year so there.
00:37:38.79\00:37:42.33
But I'll say this, it
was the greatest investment
00:37:42.36\00:37:46.04
we've ever made.
00:37:46.07\00:37:47.44
They went there and
at least two cases found,
00:37:47.47\00:37:51.77
their lives made there
which is a very important aspect
00:37:51.80\00:37:56.11
of education as well,
where I found my wife.
00:37:56.14\00:37:59.14
Southern
Missionary College used to be
00:37:59.17\00:38:00.79
Southern Matrimony College. Yes.
00:38:00.82\00:38:02.42
That's what we
used to call it. Right.
00:38:02.45\00:38:04.04
Well, the motto of South Western
00:38:04.07\00:38:08.49
where I have did my first
two years was where students
00:38:08.52\00:38:11.39
learnt to live and we changed
it's where they learned to love.
00:38:11.42\00:38:14.38
And but it was definitely
as I think back and Camille
00:38:14.41\00:38:20.91
and I have had 52
wonderful years together.
00:38:20.94\00:38:23.12
I can say that because
she's not watching tonight
00:38:23.15\00:38:25.22
and but we've had 52
wonderful years together
00:38:25.25\00:38:30.63
and I've often thought if
God hadn't led me to that school
00:38:30.66\00:38:36.96
into that women, I don't
know where in the world I'd be,
00:38:36.99\00:38:40.09
but it wouldn't be where I am.
00:38:40.12\00:38:42.45
And so it's so
important to spend
00:38:42.48\00:38:46.57
the money and it's amazing.
00:38:46.60\00:38:47.97
So many times we'll say,
man, that's gonna cost me
00:38:48.00\00:38:51.38
40,000 bucks or 50,000
or whatever it's gonna be,
00:38:51.41\00:38:55.35
but we don't think a thing
about buying a Toyota Sienna
00:38:55.38\00:38:58.76
that's gonna cost as
that, we pay that out over
00:38:58.79\00:39:01.35
a few years, but we cringe
when we think about spending
00:39:01.38\00:39:05.44
for an education which
can effect the child's life,
00:39:05.47\00:39:08.97
their income, their
future and salvation
00:39:09.00\00:39:14.29
and their marriage and every
other aspect of their life.
00:39:14.32\00:39:18.09
Now you put that number
a little high 40 or 50,000.
00:39:18.12\00:39:20.46
Let's go down to 20, okay.
00:39:20.49\00:39:22.11
That's for one year though.
00:39:22.14\00:39:23.51
Yeah. Okay, for one year.
00:39:23.54\00:39:26.70
I was trying to grab you.
00:39:26.73\00:39:28.51
You're trying to get all
the way through, all right. Yes.
00:39:28.54\00:39:31.85
But it does, it takes,
it does take a little money,
00:39:31.88\00:39:34.30
but you know, amazingly today,
there are loans available too.
00:39:34.33\00:39:38.79
And when I was going to school,
there were no loans available.
00:39:38.82\00:39:41.61
The average loan
that the student graduates
00:39:41.64\00:39:44.48
from Southern
with is under $20,000.
00:39:44.51\00:39:47.54
And normally if someone
would go by a car for that--
00:39:47.57\00:39:51.34
Oh, absolutely
and not even blink.
00:39:51.37\00:39:52.74
Yeah, and not think about it.
00:39:52.77\00:39:54.50
Right, so it's
a good investment.
00:39:54.53\00:39:57.63
We have
scholarships, and so forth,
00:39:57.66\00:40:00.62
and so there are ways.
00:40:00.65\00:40:02.20
I tell parents, you
know they say, well,
00:40:02.23\00:40:04.95
we just can't afford it.
00:40:04.98\00:40:06.79
Apply, find out
if you can afford it.
00:40:06.82\00:40:09.65
Whatever school you
are going to, don't just
00:40:09.68\00:40:11.49
threw up your hands
and say you can't afford it
00:40:11.52\00:40:13.39
without applying,
because there is scholarships,
00:40:13.42\00:40:15.71
there is loans, there
is work opportunities.
00:40:15.74\00:40:18.41
There is a
hundred different ways.
00:40:18.44\00:40:19.81
And sometimes a student
can take a little longer.
00:40:19.84\00:40:22.18
I had to take a
whole year out and work
00:40:22.21\00:40:24.94
and there is nothing
wrong with doing that.
00:40:24.97\00:40:28.34
And it's dangerous because
when I took my year out to work,
00:40:28.37\00:40:33.40
everybody said,
you'll never back to school.
00:40:33.43\00:40:35.94
But I was
determined to go back to school
00:40:35.97\00:40:39.00
and to get an
education so sometimes
00:40:39.03\00:40:42.06
you have to spread it out over
a few more years. Thats right.
00:40:42.09\00:40:44.95
And you know kids say
some--they were older,
00:40:44.98\00:40:49.48
and they say "Oh,
but I am 30-years-old.
00:40:49.51\00:40:52.30
And I will be 34 by
the time I had a degree."
00:40:52.33\00:40:54.97
And I usually say look, you're
gonna be 34 when you are 34
00:40:55.00\00:40:58.83
anyway and you will
be 34 without a degree
00:40:58.86\00:41:02.37
rather than 34
with one. That's right.
00:41:02.40\00:41:04.71
So I really believe in
Christian education. Absolutely.
00:41:04.74\00:41:09.99
I could not believe in
it more strongly than I do.
00:41:10.02\00:41:13.71
I believe in it so much
that I am willing to take on
00:41:13.74\00:41:17.41
any educational
place that I honestly feel
00:41:17.44\00:41:21.54
is not--is turning
children, our young people away
00:41:21.57\00:41:25.80
bringing doubt in their life.
00:41:25.83\00:41:27.20
I can't stand like that,
even though I may love the guys
00:41:27.23\00:41:31.89
that are running the
school and I may care for them
00:41:31.92\00:41:35.32
and I may worry about them.
00:41:35.35\00:41:38.27
I have to worry
about the student more
00:41:38.30\00:41:41.47
and so I can't--I can't within
my soul, just say well its okay,
00:41:41.50\00:41:47.55
if they are teaching
things that shouldn't--
00:41:47.58\00:41:49.79
they have to teach 28, 29
whatever fundamental beliefs.
00:41:49.82\00:41:57.45
I'll stick with
28. Twenty eight.
00:41:57.48\00:41:58.90
We'll stay with 28. Yeah.
00:41:58.93\00:42:00.30
But they need to teach
those and to teach them solidly.
00:42:00.33\00:42:03.96
If they are
gonna call themselves
00:42:03.99\00:42:05.79
a Seventh-day Adventist school
00:42:05.82\00:42:07.46
and Southern
Adventist University
00:42:07.49\00:42:09.32
does that and
that's why we can--
00:42:09.35\00:42:13.28
we can recommend your
university without any
00:42:13.31\00:42:16.57
question to our viewers.
And we're glad, our viewers.
00:42:16.60\00:42:17.97
Because this is an issue as you
can see he has a lot of passion
00:42:18.00\00:42:20.24
for it in our
meetings, when we talk about
00:42:20.27\00:42:22.43
what the schools are
teaching particularly
00:42:22.46\00:42:24.61
at this level,
Jim sort of rises up.
00:42:24.64\00:42:27.54
But I am sure you
take that very seriously
00:42:27.57\00:42:29.71
as president of the
large school, one of our
00:42:29.74\00:42:31.60
premier school, that's
something that is part of your
00:42:31.63\00:42:35.53
dealings every
single day I suspect.
00:42:35.56\00:42:38.49
No, it is. It was very
important when we hire a faculty
00:42:38.52\00:42:41.62
obviously, that's a
very important issue. It is.
00:42:41.65\00:42:44.70
And I know when they
were discussing a faculty
00:42:44.73\00:42:49.80
who was teaching just
absolute total evolution,
00:42:49.83\00:42:55.65
one of my good friend
to as a church leader said,
00:42:55.68\00:42:58.12
well we must be redemptive
for the teacher as well.
00:42:58.15\00:43:01.48
Yes, I would fire the teacher
first and redeem him later.
00:43:01.51\00:43:06.01
And I am sorry but
seriously I can't--if somebody
00:43:06.04\00:43:10.90
serving poison to
my kids I can't say,
00:43:10.93\00:43:13.97
well we got to
work with this guy.
00:43:14.00\00:43:16.39
You have to stop the poison
00:43:16.42\00:43:18.61
and then you can
work with the guy.
00:43:18.64\00:43:21.96
I'd really believe in working
with him, I mean believe me,
00:43:21.99\00:43:25.12
I am an evangelist, I'' be
out there knocking on his door,
00:43:25.15\00:43:27.99
trying to get
him back to church.
00:43:28.02\00:43:29.67
But I want him to come
back teaching the truth
00:43:29.70\00:43:33.11
and if I'm little
strong, forgive me.
00:43:33.14\00:43:35.64
But I do have strong convictions
in this particular area
00:43:35.67\00:43:40.55
and we appreciate
what you're doing here.
00:43:40.58\00:43:42.40
And we appreciates
your religious department--
00:43:42.43\00:43:44.45
religion
department. Thank you very much.
00:43:44.48\00:43:45.85
And the students that
you send us our direction
00:43:45.88\00:43:49.05
are some of our absolute
best as we've already stated.
00:43:49.08\00:43:52.24
Well, as I said we have
a great group of students
00:43:52.27\00:43:55.40
and they inspire me. Yes.
00:43:55.43\00:43:58.16
And in many ways I think
the younger generation today
00:43:58.19\00:44:02.14
is more
committed, has a higher level
00:44:02.17\00:44:05.17
of understanding
of some of the issues
00:44:05.20\00:44:07.73
than I did when I went to
the school a few years ago.
00:44:07.76\00:44:10.84
You know, few years
back when I was in Dallas,
00:44:10.87\00:44:14.03
I got acquainted
with the surgeon.
00:44:14.06\00:44:18.15
He was there during a specialty,
I believe he did one in heart
00:44:18.18\00:44:22.56
but he did one at that
time an emergency surgery.
00:44:22.59\00:44:26.60
His name was Dwayne Beets.
00:44:26.63\00:44:30.11
I believe you know him.
00:44:30.14\00:44:32.04
I know him quite
well, he is my brother, yes.
00:44:32.07\00:44:34.97
A very fine man and I
hope he is watching tonight.
00:44:35.00\00:44:38.96
I should have texted him
00:44:38.99\00:44:40.56
and told him to
watch, I didn't that.
00:44:40.59\00:44:42.23
Well, we'll find out.
00:44:42.26\00:44:43.63
I was going to do it
but I thought we'll test him
00:44:43.66\00:44:46.53
to see if he really is
a true viewer. Yeah, okay.
00:44:46.56\00:44:48.83
True viewer, you
wouldn't believe it.
00:44:48.86\00:44:50.23
And not give him a lead.
00:44:50.26\00:44:51.78
Well, listen,
thank you for coming.
00:44:51.81\00:44:53.78
Well, thank you very
much for inviting me.
00:44:53.81\00:44:55.33
Thank you for putting on
this program at Southern.
00:44:55.36\00:44:58.47
We appreciate
it and our students
00:44:58.50\00:44:59.91
will gain a great benefit.
Thank you. Thank so very much.
00:44:59.94\00:45:03.53
We are very appreciative
and while you're making
00:45:03.56\00:45:06.53
your way off, we're gonna
talk about this offer again.
00:45:06.56\00:45:10.21
And then bring Steven Ruf on.
00:45:10.24\00:45:12.46
And I am gonna read
the second part, it says,
00:45:12.49\00:45:15.33
"Keep about your work.
00:45:15.36\00:45:17.50
Do not flinch
because the lion roars,
00:45:17.53\00:45:20.06
do not stop to
stone the devil's dogs,
00:45:20.09\00:45:23.48
do not fool away your time
chasing the devil's rabbits."
00:45:23.51\00:45:26.88
And that part I've
heard Elder Richards
00:45:26.91\00:45:28.86
quote so many times.
00:45:28.89\00:45:30.47
"Do your work. Let liars
lie, let sectarians quarrel,
00:45:30.50\00:45:34.90
let corporations
resolve, let editors publish,
00:45:34.93\00:45:38.42
let the devil do his worst,
00:45:38.45\00:45:40.28
but see to it that nothing
hinders you from fulfilling
00:45:40.31\00:45:44.76
the work that
God has given you."
00:45:44.79\00:45:47.04
Let us send this to you.
00:45:47.07\00:45:48.85
Call us at 618-627-4651.
00:45:48.88\00:45:53.92
The operators are
standing there right now
00:45:53.95\00:45:56.20
or sitting there
one or the other,
00:45:56.23\00:45:58.10
but they are
waiting for your call.
00:45:58.13\00:46:00.51
Give them a call, let them know
that you want a copy of this.
00:46:00.54\00:46:03.92
You may not want it yourself,
00:46:03.95\00:46:05.79
but you may want to
give it to somebody.
00:46:05.82\00:46:07.46
You may know
particularly a young person
00:46:07.49\00:46:09.55
that needs to keep about
their work and I tell you
00:46:09.58\00:46:13.93
when things get
going really tough at 3ABN.
00:46:13.96\00:46:17.43
I go, I hate to tell you,
I keep this in the bathroom.
00:46:17.46\00:46:21.43
Okay. And I go in there
and I read every word of it,
00:46:21.46\00:46:26.54
and then I pray, and I say, Lord
help me to keep about my work.
00:46:26.57\00:46:32.28
That's what You
have given us to do
00:46:32.31\00:46:34.80
and that's what
You want us to do.
00:46:34.83\00:46:36.87
And I want you to
have a copy of this.
00:46:36.90\00:46:38.48
Yes, it is a call, Jim,
to stay focus and of course
00:46:38.51\00:46:41.21
whenever you're
doing the work of the Lord,
00:46:41.24\00:46:42.73
you're gonna be
challenged by the devil.
00:46:42.76\00:46:44.38
There are so many
times people ask us
00:46:44.41\00:46:46.67
"What kind of
challenges do you guys have,
00:46:46.70\00:46:48.80
whether the consistent
challenge is funding" Always.
00:46:48.83\00:46:51.46
We just have
enough of money to do
00:46:51.49\00:46:53.20
what we need to do but
other than that the devil
00:46:53.23\00:46:55.56
has so many ways
of trying to hinder
00:46:55.59\00:46:58.71
the work that
you are trying to do.
00:46:58.74\00:47:00.11
So we have to stay on our knees
constantly every department
00:47:00.14\00:47:04.47
has prayer every
morning before we begin our work
00:47:04.50\00:47:07.25
and then on Tuesdays we have
a joint prayer.That's right.
00:47:07.28\00:47:09.62
Session where we
bring everybody together.
00:47:09.65\00:47:11.53
We start the year of with
a day of prayer and praise
00:47:11.56\00:47:14.32
and then throughout the year we
have prayer and praise session.
00:47:14.35\00:47:17.61
So we realize that when
you are on the front lines,
00:47:17.64\00:47:20.82
you're gonna be assaulted
by the enemy and that--
00:47:20.85\00:47:23.37
those assaults are going to
be consistent and persistent
00:47:23.40\00:47:27.86
and the devil has
many, many, many, many ways,
00:47:27.89\00:47:31.69
but we are
possessed of the belief,
00:47:31.72\00:47:35.14
"That greater
is He that is in us
00:47:35.17\00:47:36.54
than he that is in the world."
00:47:36.57\00:47:37.94
And we rely on
that and the prayers
00:47:37.97\00:47:40.30
of the saints, we really do.
00:47:40.33\00:47:41.78
Now, sometimes people say,
well, your offerings are down.
00:47:41.81\00:47:45.06
No. I hate to tell you.
00:47:45.09\00:47:46.46
I mean I do, I'm
proud to tell you this.
00:47:46.49\00:47:48.57
Our offerings are not
down, they have never been down.
00:47:48.60\00:47:51.92
Our offerings are
up, expenses are also up,
00:47:51.95\00:47:56.80
and we keep our
operating expenses down.
00:47:56.83\00:48:01.06
They're actually
decreased this last year.
00:48:01.09\00:48:04.22
Its equipment, I am looking
into the lens of a camera
00:48:04.25\00:48:09.72
that's over 20 years old.
00:48:09.75\00:48:11.91
Cameras have a life of
7, 8, 10 years maximum.
00:48:11.94\00:48:16.59
We just had to buy five
cameras, two quit working,
00:48:16.62\00:48:22.86
one was dropped accidentally
and that was destroyed.
00:48:22.89\00:48:26.84
We could not
get parts for those,
00:48:26.87\00:48:29.68
but we had to buy five cameras.
00:48:29.71\00:48:33.15
We honestly now
they--by buying five,
00:48:33.18\00:48:36.14
Moses got a very good
deal on those cameras,
00:48:36.17\00:48:38.53
those were $68,000 cameras, he
got them for half price 34,000.
00:48:38.56\00:48:44.16
And they said, "If
you'll pay for the four,
00:48:44.19\00:48:46.36
we'll give you the
fifth one for free."
00:48:46.39\00:48:48.00
He had to do it.
00:48:48.03\00:48:49.57
He called me, I am
driving down the road
00:48:49.60\00:48:52.64
and he tells me I have
got this opportunity on these,
00:48:52.67\00:48:56.41
but I have to let
him know today because,
00:48:56.44\00:48:58.65
it's the last day of the month,
00:48:58.68\00:49:00.56
and they have
to make a decision,
00:49:00.59\00:49:02.85
so we said do it and he did it.
00:49:02.88\00:49:07.02
And so we are exited
to have five new cameras
00:49:07.05\00:49:10.94
that are on the way here,
00:49:10.97\00:49:12.34
Now those cameras
will be on the truck
00:49:12.37\00:49:13.91
because our truck cameras
take really the most beating,
00:49:13.94\00:49:16.48
because they are on the truck,
if truck is bouncing along
00:49:16.51\00:49:18.32
the highway and last
month during our Anchors,
00:49:18.35\00:49:21.08
we had several
cameras go out. Yeah.
00:49:21.11\00:49:22.82
In middle of the broadcast
and we sort to work around them
00:49:22.85\00:49:25.26
but those truck
cameras have said to us,
00:49:25.29\00:49:28.35
we can't do it any longer.
00:49:28.38\00:49:30.21
Twenty years ago we were brand
new, we're not anymore, Yeah.
00:49:30.24\00:49:33.55
So we have to go out and
those, but think about it Jim.
00:49:33.58\00:49:35.75
What piece of electronic
equipment that you have,
00:49:35.78\00:49:37.87
that you brought 20 years
ago that is still functioning.
00:49:37.90\00:49:40.74
Your computer for 20 years ago
00:49:40.77\00:49:42.67
was on the land field somewhere.
00:49:42.70\00:49:44.07
Right, you don't
even know where it is.
00:49:44.10\00:49:45.47
Right, precise there's
nothing that's been around
00:49:45.50\00:49:47.41
for 20 years,
that's electronics.
00:49:47.44\00:49:48.81
So we had to do this
and they will be coming
00:49:48.84\00:49:51.07
but they had to be paid
for, we brought them on faith
00:49:51.10\00:49:53.51
as we do every thing on
faith. We did, absolutely.
00:49:53.54\00:49:56.43
And to be honest with you
they are not the absolute,
00:49:56.46\00:50:01.00
they are high
definition cameras. Yes.
00:50:01.03\00:50:03.52
But we would like to have
bought the next better camera
00:50:03.55\00:50:07.32
but those would
have been 68,000. Yes.
00:50:07.35\00:50:09.95
These others, they will support
him for at least five years.
00:50:09.98\00:50:13.27
In other words for
at least five years
00:50:13.30\00:50:15.66
we have complete support from
parts etc. for these cameras.
00:50:15.69\00:50:21.27
But, folks that's just
about the life of a camera
00:50:21.30\00:50:24.08
and we've got all
of these recorders
00:50:24.11\00:50:26.88
and we're trying
to go to digital now.
00:50:26.91\00:50:29.80
This is where our challenge
is, it really is. Yeah, it is.
00:50:29.83\00:50:33.41
So thank you for
your faithfulness.
00:50:33.44\00:50:35.32
You are the most
faithful viewers in the world
00:50:35.35\00:50:39.52
and you've been with
us, you've never left us,
00:50:39.55\00:50:42.24
you're like--the lord
says, I will never leave you,
00:50:42.27\00:50:44.10
I will never
forsake you and our viewers
00:50:44.13\00:50:47.21
have been right
there with the Lord. Amen.
00:50:47.24\00:50:49.93
We are going to
call out somebody
00:50:49.96\00:50:51.33
now who knows about--when
you talk about cameras
00:50:51.36\00:50:53.07
and shelf life of cameras
and production, Steven Ruf,
00:50:53.10\00:50:56.77
who I met over years
ago at GCTV in Toronto.
00:50:56.80\00:51:03.77
He sent us some
of our best guys man,
00:51:03.80\00:51:05.53
we appreciate the
work you're doing.
00:51:05.56\00:51:07.71
First give us your
title here at the school,
00:51:07.74\00:51:09.49
then we'll start
to move from there.
00:51:09.52\00:51:10.89
I am an Associate Professor
00:51:10.92\00:51:12.29
in the School of
Journalism and Communication
00:51:12.32\00:51:14.57
here at Southern, I
think about 16 years now.
00:51:14.60\00:51:17.84
Praise the Lord. One year
longer than the president.
00:51:17.87\00:51:20.26
Oh, yeah, that's
true but of course
00:51:20.29\00:51:21.74
he was here as the
pastor for many years as well.
00:51:21.77\00:51:24.10
Right. I come from
a family of pastors.
00:51:24.13\00:51:26.60
My dad was a pastor, my brother
00:51:26.63\00:51:29.38
is in New Haven,
Connecticut. Okay.
00:51:29.41\00:51:32.22
But I chose a different
path and I spent my early years
00:51:32.25\00:51:36.92
as a reporter working
in radio and television.
00:51:36.95\00:51:39.42
And then decided to
go to graduate school
00:51:39.45\00:51:42.55
and I've been
teaching here ever since.
00:51:42.58\00:51:44.83
I did a wedding with your
brother married my step son
00:51:44.86\00:51:47.37
in Massachusetts some
years ago. Yes, that's right.
00:51:47.40\00:51:50.90
Kevin Haute is on our
staff, so I know the Ruf name
00:51:50.93\00:51:53.79
and of course as I said we
work together GCTV in Toronto.
00:51:53.82\00:51:57.77
What are the kinds of
things that your department
00:51:57.80\00:52:00.10
is training young people to do.
00:52:00.13\00:52:02.10
Right now, we
have about a 130 majors
00:52:02.13\00:52:04.25
and that includes
mass communication
00:52:04.28\00:52:06.63
which knows media
production and advertising,
00:52:06.66\00:52:09.41
even writing and editing.
00:52:09.44\00:52:10.81
We also have the
traditional journalism degree.
00:52:10.84\00:52:14.02
We also have our
biggest major public relations,
00:52:14.05\00:52:16.99
a big need for that
in our institutions,
00:52:17.02\00:52:18.85
you know, our
schools, our church work
00:52:18.88\00:52:21.81
and so, yes we have,
you know in any given year,
00:52:21.84\00:52:25.60
you know, 30 or 40 graduates
00:52:25.63\00:52:27.08
going down the
isle, looking for jobs.
00:52:27.11\00:52:28.84
Praise God, praise God.
00:52:28.87\00:52:30.24
What is it about
from your perspective?
00:52:30.27\00:52:32.84
As I said, I mentioned
our number of young people
00:52:32.87\00:52:34.42
that we've got
them from Southern.
00:52:34.45\00:52:37.12
And it just so happens
that we have this little stream
00:52:37.15\00:52:38.98
of people coming from Southern,
but they are hard working,
00:52:39.01\00:52:41.43
they are focused, they have
working relation with Christ
00:52:41.46\00:52:43.47
and they've
become really invaluable
00:52:43.50\00:52:45.83
if not
indispensable to what we do.
00:52:45.86\00:52:47.50
What is it about the culture
here from your perspective
00:52:47.53\00:52:50.07
that prepares a young person?
00:52:50.10\00:52:52.48
First of all technically
they know what they are doing,
00:52:52.51\00:52:54.82
but they also seem to come
with this working relationship
00:52:54.85\00:52:57.10
with Jesus Christ
which we value so highly.
00:52:57.13\00:52:59.70
Well, it's integration
of faith in learning.
00:52:59.73\00:53:01.66
And you know, you can
define that in a number of ways.
00:53:01.69\00:53:04.47
It could be in the classroom,
00:53:04.50\00:53:05.92
you know where the instructors
are--you know talking
00:53:05.95\00:53:09.08
about biblical
concepts and relating it
00:53:09.11\00:53:11.56
even to
technical, you know subjects.
00:53:11.59\00:53:13.96
But it also happens
outside the class room.
00:53:13.99\00:53:16.25
You know, where that
student may appear in my office
00:53:16.28\00:53:19.00
and really be
struggling that week
00:53:19.03\00:53:20.76
with an issue in their
family or in a relationship.
00:53:20.79\00:53:23.98
And I can come
around my desk and sit down,
00:53:24.01\00:53:27.39
you know, right next to
them and say, hey, let's pray,
00:53:27.42\00:53:31.37
you know, let's ask the
God for some spiritual healing
00:53:31.40\00:53:34.75
and I think it starts there.
00:53:34.78\00:53:36.52
Praise God. That is wonderful.
00:53:36.55\00:53:38.71
That is powerful too.
00:53:38.74\00:53:40.11
And speak so much
for what's going on here.
00:53:40.14\00:53:42.68
As you look at the
kinds of young people
00:53:42.71\00:53:45.13
you are getting., Dr. Beat said
and-with some sense of pride.
00:53:45.16\00:53:50.31
ABC says, when we see
Southern on the applicant list
00:53:50.34\00:53:55.18
that resume kind of
floats to the surface.
00:53:55.21\00:53:58.26
How does that kind
of thing make you feel?
00:53:58.29\00:53:59.80
Oh, very proud.
00:53:59.83\00:54:01.20
And we really try to work
hard with all the employers
00:54:01.23\00:54:05.68
and not only here
locally in the Chattanooga area,
00:54:05.71\00:54:08.11
but we work with broadcast
stations in a students hometown
00:54:08.14\00:54:12.67
to setup an internship
where practicum is we call it.
00:54:12.70\00:54:15.39
To give them that practical
experience that's gonna be
00:54:15.42\00:54:18.05
important for getting
a job when they graduate.
00:54:18.08\00:54:20.50
It's not only the diploma, but
also that practical experience.
00:54:20.53\00:54:23.17
Yes. And ministries
like 3ABN is a great source
00:54:23.20\00:54:26.66
of that experience as well.
00:54:26.69\00:54:28.39
Do a number of your young
people volunteer or take time
00:54:28.42\00:54:31.93
to do missionary work in
addition to because television
00:54:31.96\00:54:35.65
and broadcast of production
is high stress. Yes, it is.
00:54:35.68\00:54:38.72
Some very technical things
to it, but do they find time
00:54:38.75\00:54:41.05
to sort of
integrate that into a sort
00:54:41.08\00:54:42.72
of wider
missionary kind of experience.
00:54:42.75\00:54:44.16
They do in a number
of different ways. Yes.
00:54:44.19\00:54:45.65
Let me just
shore one, or several.
00:54:45.68\00:54:48.22
We have and this
has really changed,
00:54:48.25\00:54:50.06
I've seen this
trend just in the years
00:54:50.09\00:54:52.14
I have been teaching here.
00:54:52.17\00:54:53.54
We have more students
now who are interested
00:54:53.57\00:54:55.67
in traveling overseas and using
their skills in mission work,
00:54:55.70\00:55:01.92
for ministry and it amazes me,
you know, they want to be go off
00:55:01.95\00:55:06.27
and be a student missionary
producing videos in Thailand
00:55:06.30\00:55:09.58
or going down to South America
and creating these videos.
00:55:09.61\00:55:13.61
A lot of them end up
on your network. Oh, yes.
00:55:13.64\00:55:16.03
And that's just wonderful to see
that interest in getting beyond
00:55:16.06\00:55:20.92
just North America but getting
international experience.
00:55:20.95\00:55:23.73
And I see that
when I was in school,
00:55:23.76\00:55:25.45
you always had missionaries
would come in sort of--
00:55:25.48\00:55:28.46
I don't want to say
arm to assist the students,
00:55:28.49\00:55:30.36
but they certain
would try to use leverage
00:55:30.39\00:55:31.85
to get kids to go overseas.
00:55:31.88\00:55:33.44
It seems like now there is this
almost built in inertia energy,
00:55:33.47\00:55:37.84
let's go and use
what we have for those
00:55:37.87\00:55:40.19
who are less
fortune who we can help.
00:55:40.22\00:55:41.72
That seems to be part of
the culture on this campus-
00:55:41.75\00:55:43.95
It is the mindset of younger
generation. Yes, yes, yes.
00:55:43.98\00:55:46.27
To share, to connect with those
00:55:46.30\00:55:48.24
who are less fortunate
too, very unselfish. Yeah.
00:55:48.27\00:55:51.48
And that's
inspiring to us older folks.
00:55:51.51\00:55:54.08
Praise the lord. Praise that.
00:55:54.11\00:55:55.48
I mentioned that your
hair is a little grayer
00:55:55.51\00:55:56.88
than we worked few years ago.
00:55:56.91\00:55:58.28
You said, young people
do that. Dr. Bietz here.
00:55:58.31\00:56:01.63
You know some
people actually confuse me
00:56:01.66\00:56:03.26
a little bit with
looking like Dr. Bietz.
00:56:03.29\00:56:05.12
But I tell him as
soon as I open my mouth,
00:56:05.15\00:56:07.02
yeah, there is
no confusion there.
00:56:07.05\00:56:08.84
Now where you're from
originally your family.
00:56:08.87\00:56:10.49
I grew up here in
the south in Tennessee.
00:56:10.52\00:56:13.50
My mother actually
was a professor here
00:56:13.53\00:56:15.90
when it was
Southern Missionary College,
00:56:15.93\00:56:17.71
she was an English professor.
00:56:17.74\00:56:19.11
And my dad as I
said was a pastor.
00:56:19.14\00:56:21.16
So this is kind
of home base for me.
00:56:21.19\00:56:23.03
Yeah, those back in the southern
matrimonial college days
00:56:23.06\00:56:25.15
I suspect it worked
in your family. It did.
00:56:25.18\00:56:27.44
And you know its
just-- the cycle continues,
00:56:27.47\00:56:30.03
I have two daughters
who are students here now,
00:56:30.06\00:56:32.49
one a freshmen and one
a senior and even though
00:56:32.52\00:56:35.73
we live here locally they
are- they are leaving on campus
00:56:35.76\00:56:38.65
but we encourage, you know, let
them experience the campus life.
00:56:38.68\00:56:43.18
Praise God, praise
God. That is great.
00:56:43.21\00:56:46.52
You know while we
were here and I mentioned
00:56:46.55\00:56:48.62
we have a sort
of dual motto 'cause
00:56:48.65\00:56:50.32
we're also looking
for good kids you know.
00:56:50.35\00:56:52.49
So if you any, sent them our
way because we can always use
00:56:52.52\00:56:55.38
the interns and employees.
00:56:55.41\00:56:58.62
Your track
record is great with us.
00:56:58.65\00:57:00.12
Thank you for that, I appreciate
you're thinking of us.
00:57:00.15\00:57:02.18
Praise the Lord.
00:57:02.21\00:57:03.58
We are coming
down to the end of our
00:57:03.61\00:57:04.98
first hour there,
Brother Gilley. Yes, we are.
00:57:05.01\00:57:06.38
It went pretty fast
too. It did indeed go fast.
00:57:06.41\00:57:08.05
We're gonna hold Professor
Ruf over to the other side
00:57:08.08\00:57:12.58
but we want to take a
quick look at our free offer.
00:57:12.61\00:57:15.81
Remind you, this
is a great thing.
00:57:15.84\00:57:17.33
We won't read any thing just
now, we'll ready in next half.
00:57:17.36\00:57:19.29
But remind you, if you
will call us 618-6274-651,
00:57:19.32\00:57:24.51
618-627-4651, or
email freeoffer@3abn.org.
00:57:24.54\00:57:30.79
We'll get this in the
mail to you. All right.
00:57:30.82\00:57:35.13
Well listen, you call a
friend, encourage him to tune in
00:57:35.16\00:57:40.94
and we will be right
back right after this.
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