Participants: Greg Morikone (Host), Jim Gilley (Host), Brenda Walsh, Dixie Plata, Leo Ranzolin, Ted Wilson, Terry Dodge
Series Code: NL
Program Code: NL014007
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00:01 Well good evening, and welcome to Nightlight coming to you Live
00:04 very Live, and with all of the background music 00:09 that we don't need right now, from Oshkosh. 00:13 And we're just happy to be here. 00:15 Greg, I'm happy to have you with me. 00:18 It's always a privilege. 00:19 Greg Morikone. Our good friend C. A. Murray's still 00:22 recovering from surgery. 00:23 And, C. A., we wish you well. 00:25 We've been praying for you. 00:27 And we're hearing good reports. 00:29 But we hope that we hear the best report, and that would be 00:33 that you're back on your feet, and really functioning again. 00:39 You are in our prayers, in our thoughts. 00:41 We think about you an awful lot, 00:44 and we really do miss you; the entire crew. 00:47 And I miss you especially, because we've worked together 00:52 now for 8 years, 7 years of starting. 00:55 It just seems like 8, I guess. 00:57 But we're starting our 8th year here in a few days with 3ABN. 01:02 And much of that time you and I have worked side by side. 01:06 But I'll tell you right now, I'm getting used to Greg, 01:09 so you'd better hurry and get back. 01:10 Because this guy is really a great person to work with. 01:15 Well listen, our first guest tonight is extremely busy. 01:20 Well, that's for sure. 01:22 From one place to another, Elder Ted Wilson, 01:24 the General Conference president. 01:25 Elder Wilson, we welcome you. 01:27 Thank you very much Jim. 01:29 And you just flew in today, and tomorrow you head out again. 01:33 Actually, we do. We're heading to an international conference 01:37 on Bible and Science with many people from all over the world, 01:43 helping to re-enforce and lift up Biblical creation, 01:47 and the flood, and our understanding of Genesis 1-11. 01:52 But we're here at Oshkosh with all these Pathfinders. 01:55 It's marvelous. Wow! Isn't it amazing? 01:57 You know, sometimes people think, Well, 01:59 they just have meetings. 02:00 They hear about this speaker, or that person. 02:02 I've never even seen some of that. 02:05 There are so many things going on that there is no way on earth 02:11 anybody could get to all of them. 02:13 Haven't you been amazed? 02:15 The extensive aspect of this camporee is unbelievable. Yeah. 02:20 So many things that are happening; 02:23 many wonderful things. 02:24 And also I'm really amazed at the order. 02:28 You know, you think about the children of Israel, 02:31 maybe a million and half people, two million people 02:34 in the desert, and how they all had their encampments, 02:37 and everything was in order. 02:39 And you go around here; there are approximately, 02:41 well about 47,000 people, 46,000 attending, 02:45 and thousands staying in tents. 02:48 I'm really impressed with the orderliness, even though there 02:51 may be a few problems here and there. 02:53 But God's really blessing. 02:55 Yeah, we don't focus so much on the negative. 02:58 We try to focus on the positive. 03:00 A lot of young people really being influenced, 03:03 and they are influencing. 03:05 They're out passing out literature. 03:07 Tomorrow night we're going to be featuring some of the young 03:10 people that have been going door to door passing out literature, 03:15 and the gentleman that organizes that. 03:18 Well, let me ask you this. 03:20 Last, when we came in, and I've mentioned this before, 03:22 Camille and I were just blown away by the number 03:26 of young people here. 03:28 And I said to her, I believe our church has a great future 03:33 right up till the Lord comes, because of these young people. 03:36 Nearly 50,000 young people here. 03:39 And this is really one of the smaller 03:44 divisions in the world now. 03:46 What does it look like around the world for our youth? 03:50 Truly this is a very impressive setting. 03:55 And, you know, the church was started 03:58 primarily by young people. 04:00 And the work will be finished by young 04:05 people to a great extent. 04:06 And this is only an indication, this kind of a gathering, 04:09 and other gatherings around the world, 04:11 where people get together, young people on fire for the Lord, 04:16 studying God's word. 04:17 The theme for this particular camporee is Forever Faithful, 04:22 focusing on Daniel, on his three friends, 04:26 and upon their faithfulness to God's word, 04:29 and to the principles that were placed in their 04:33 heart by their parents. 04:34 And again, that's such a vital aspect of a young 04:39 person's experience; the instruction and the love, 04:43 the Biblical understanding that starts in the home. 04:47 But all around the world we're seeing a tremendous interest 04:52 on the part of young people, not just in being entertained, 04:56 not just coming to a big meeting where they can just watch, 05:00 but to actually get involved in service, in understanding what 05:07 God has in store for them as a person. 05:10 And we have thousands of young people in so many parts of this 05:16 planet who are on fire for the Lord, giving out literature, 05:20 holding evangelistic meetings, witnessing to their friends, 05:24 enjoying life to the fullest, and allowing 05:27 the Lord to lead them. 05:28 I'm just so proud of our young people who are now focusing 05:32 so heavily on Bible study, on prayer, and on service for God. 05:37 You know, I want to say, too, how much I appreciate leadership 05:40 in the church supporting us. 05:41 I'm not quite Pathfinder age anymore, 05:43 but supporting us as young people in the church. 05:46 I know GYC; you're heavily involved with that, 05:48 of course all of the church activities, 05:50 like Pathfinder Camporee here. 05:51 And I know today, my wife and I were on the sidelines as you 05:54 were involved in a parade. 05:56 You were right there in the midst of the young people. 05:58 And you just came from a special event just before 06:00 you came on Live here. 06:01 Tell us a little bit about that. 06:02 Well, it was a great privilege to baptize two young men: 06:08 Jimuel and Nick, and then to be able to see them completely 06:13 give their lives to the Lord, come up new 06:15 creatures in Jesus Christ. 06:17 And every evening at 6:00 o'clock a baptism takes place. 06:22 They have four pools. 06:24 I think we have a little bit of footage of that. 06:25 While you're talking we'll go and roll that just tonight. 06:27 Four pools, and they baptize at 6:00 o'clock. 06:30 They have it scheduled for different unions from 06:33 North America and international as well. 06:37 There are about, you know, 46,000 attending here. 06:42 I think about 2,000 or more are from outside 06:46 of the North American Division. 06:47 So there is a strong representation, you know, 06:52 so to speak, from world divisions. 06:55 You know, and that's the encouraging thing, isn't it? 06:57 when young people make a stand, and take a 06:58 stand for Jesus Christ. 07:00 Because you think about Daniel. 07:01 He took a tremendous stand, and his friends for Jesus Christ. 07:04 And it doesn't always mean that life will be easy. 07:06 But we know that God is with us, Forever Faithful. 07:08 A great theme, I think, for the Pathfinder Camporee. 07:10 There's a little bit of the footage now, I think, 07:12 of some of the baptism that took place just a few minutes ago 07:15 there right by the main stage. 07:17 Yeah. Oh it was a great opportunity. 07:19 In fact, talking about baptisms, I'd like to also indicate to 07:25 C. A. that we hope that he will be recovering soon, 07:28 because it was a great privilege to baptize right next to C. A. 07:32 in a pool in Manila, Philippines just a few months ago. 07:38 I saw the picture and I told him, I said, You were right 07:42 there next to the president. 07:43 I teased him a little bit about that. 07:45 We had a wonderful time. We praise God. 07:46 But he had a wonderful time there. 07:50 He and Irma, they really loved working with the people there, 07:55 and are looking forward to going back one of these days 07:57 and holding another meeting. 07:59 But baptisms, you know, whether its young people, 08:01 or older people, those are just highlights in our lives. Amen. 08:06 What are some of the plans that you envision for the world field 08:10 for our young people? 08:12 We have right now a plan which we're implementing. 08:16 It's called One Year In Mission, where in New York City 08:20 we started this with a representative 08:22 from every division. 08:24 That representative spent six months in New York helping to 08:28 prepare for the great NY 13 evangelist meetings all across 08:33 New York, a metropolitan area. 08:35 And then from there they went to their divisions. 08:39 They are participating, and have participated in phase two, 08:43 where every union, of every division sent individuals to a 08:48 particular place, a big city where they could do large scale 08:52 evangelism, personal witnessing, following Spirit of Prophecy 08:57 counsel, Biblical counsel. 08:58 Now they're going to phase 3, where they're moving to unions, 09:02 to a city, and conferences will send young people. 09:07 We're hoping in a short time that thousands of young people 09:12 will be involved in giving one year of service, 09:15 sponsored by their local church, assisted by the conference, 09:19 Bible studies, going door to door, evangelistic meetings. 09:23 I believe that once young people get involved in service to the 09:28 Lord, just as Daniel did, serving Him faithfully, 09:32 that God just takes a special place into their hearts. 09:36 You know, that is the way to win our youth 09:39 is to put them to work. 09:41 I'm sure that you were put to work, so to speak, 09:46 when you were a young man. 09:47 The same was true with me. 09:49 If somebody hadn't tapped me on the shoulder and said, 09:51 We want you to do this, and we want you to do that, 09:54 I don't know where I'd have been. 09:55 But they did, and it makes a big difference in our life. 09:59 And we're trying to encourage our viewers to do the very same 10:03 thing with your young people. 10:05 Everything, every young people's program, even our program here 10:10 that they're having with the Pathfinders. 10:12 I haven't seen anything that I didn't approve of, 10:15 but there's always something that you don't. 10:18 But you just keep reaching out preaching the truth, 10:22 helping those young people, and helping them 10:24 to know more about Jesus. 10:25 And I really think that if local churches took an even more 10:30 direct interest, and a greater focus upon the young people 10:34 that they have in their church, even if there are only a few, 10:38 get to know their names. 10:40 Call them by name on Sabbath. 10:42 Tell them you're glad that they're here. 10:44 Put them to work. Make them feel a part of the church. 10:48 Young people will warm up to that and then the Lord can 10:53 use them in a very, very direct way. 10:56 But local churches need to make those young people 11:00 feel very much at home. 11:01 And take a risk with young people. 11:03 Give them something to do and let them run with it, 11:06 even if they make a mistake. 11:07 Don't worry, you know, we all make mistakes, and let's just 11:11 redirect them towards the Lord, and towards the 11:16 Lord's soon coming. 11:17 I believe that young people are really gearing up for something 11:21 very unique and special in the worldwide 11:24 Seventh-day Adventist church right now. 11:26 We see it all over the world, and we're so proud 11:29 of these young people focusing on the Bible, 11:32 focusing on prophecy, focusing on understanding who we are as 11:36 Seventh-day Adventists in these very end times. 11:39 I mean we look around, everything seems to be 11:41 crumbling around us. 11:43 And we just recognize that the Lord is coming very soon. 11:47 And young people are catching the fire. 11:49 They really are. Elder Wilson, would you have a prayer 11:52 with us, and with our viewers so that we can know that our 11:59 leader is seeking God in everything that we are doing. 12:05 Would you do that? 12:06 It would be a privilege. 12:07 Our loving Father, we come to You in this interesting 12:13 makeshift studio of 3ABN here on this enormous campus in Oshkosh. 12:21 And, Lord, we ask in a special way that You will guide and 12:25 bless the transmissions of the programming of 3ABN 12:31 as it reaches into the hearts and the homes of literally 12:36 millions of people around the world. 12:38 We pray for the impact on young people. 12:42 We pray for the guidance that each of us needs in knowing how 12:46 best to help the young people in our own local churches. 12:51 And Lord I just pray for the young people of the 12:53 Seventh-day Adventist Church, and all young people; 12:56 young people who are searching for meaning in life 13:00 as they see role models around them who seem to drift into 13:06 challenging and difficult problems; 13:09 problems with drug and alcohol abuse, problems that end with 13:15 suicide and with a demoralizing end. 13:19 Help young people to lift their vision and see that the Lord has 13:24 something extraordinary for them as they head into 13:28 the future, and that they need to look outside of themselves 13:32 and look to the Lord Jesus Christ, and to helping other 13:36 people find Jesus in their lives. 13:39 So Lord bless our young people, and bless our church as we move 13:44 into the very last days of earth's history. 13:47 We long to see Jesus come. 13:49 We ask that it will be in our lifetime by the grace of Jesus. 13:54 So guide each one of us, and bless this program as it 13:58 continues to reach out and touch the hearts of people. 14:02 In the precious and wonderful name of our Lord and Savior, 14:06 our Creator, and our coming King, and our best friend, 14:10 Jesus Christ, Amen. 14:12 We would love to have you stay with us longer, but we know you 14:16 have another appointment. 14:18 I promised Kevin Costello, my good friend, that we would let 14:23 you go in time for you to be over at the other place at 7:30. 14:27 So thanks again. Great privilege. 14:30 We really appreciate your coming. 14:31 And Greg, it's great to be with you. 14:33 And C. A. we hope you'll be soon with the group again. 14:39 And it's been a privilege to be with all of you 14:41 who are listening. God bless. 14:42 Amen! Well, listen, you've got some good footage 14:45 today to share with us. 14:47 Yes, you know earlier today we were talking about, 14:49 just a few minutes ago, about Elder Wilson being 14:51 involved with the parade. 14:53 And, Oh, several hours ago my wife Jill was able to go out 14:58 there and be involved with the parade, and take some; 15:00 well she, not herself, but some crew members and herself, 15:04 were able to go out and get some footage. 15:06 So we want to go to that video roll right now. 15:10 I'm standing here on the Young Eagles tarmac where the 15:13 excitement has been building to a fever pitch. 15:16 I'm speaking of the daily on-site parade. 15:19 And right now you can see the parade is just 15:21 beginning to start. 15:22 We're privileged today because we have Elder Ted Wilson, 15:26 and his wife Nancy. 15:27 And they are here with us. 15:29 Elder Wilson just addressed the Pathfinders. 15:31 And then we're going to watch them as they go by. 15:33 Each day they have a different union who will be coming 15:36 who will be presenting. 15:38 And today's unions are the North Pacific Union, 15:41 the Pacific Union, and we've had the Mid America Union. 15:45 So we're excited to see the parade and what's going to be 15:47 taking place here today. 16:13 I'm here with a young Pathfinder on the tarmac as the 16:16 parade is marching by. 16:17 And what is your name? 16:19 Timothy. Timothy. And where are you from, Timothy? 16:21 Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. 16:23 And he has a whole backpack full of pins. 16:25 And we're going to get one of his pins. 16:27 Are you having a good time here at Oshkosh? 16:29 Definitely. Tell me, What is your favorite thing 16:31 about Oshkosh so far? 16:33 Well, you get to meet a lot of new people, and you get to trade 16:36 a lot of these pins, like I said. 16:38 And the best part, I think, about this is to interact 16:42 with one another, getting new friendships 16:44 all around the globe. 16:45 That's great. And I have a new friendship in Timothy; 16:48 a new friend in Timothy. 16:57 It's been an exciting time. 16:59 And we've had the Mid America Union, 17:00 and we've had the Pacific Union, and the North Pacific Union. 17:03 Each day we get to see different Pathfinder unions as they share 17:07 and as they march. 17:15 That was one impressive parade. It was. 17:19 You got a little feel for it, folks. 17:22 But I will tell you when the Mount Rubido went by... 17:27 I could feel the drums in my chest. 17:28 I could! It was so invigorating. 17:32 It was. Very exciting. 17:33 Wonderful church there located near the La Sierra, 17:36 California campus. 17:38 I've been there. Wonderful group of people. 17:40 And what a group of Pathfinders they had. 17:45 I liked that one... I'm sorry, I interrupted you. No! 17:47 That one little young man. 17:49 Didn't you like what he said? 17:50 He liked that he had the ability to connect with 17:52 others around the world. Yeah. 17:53 And that's the neat thing of Pathfinders. 17:55 It's not just North America, but it's worldwide. 17:57 The young man said global interaction. 18:00 And that's neat, isn't it? Yeah. 18:01 That's right. As Elder Wilson said, Over 2,000 that are here 18:04 just from around the world. 18:06 So there's a good mixture, even though the great majority 18:10 are North Americans. 18:11 But, you know, many of our North American's come from 18:14 around the world now. 18:16 So you hear a lot of different accents. 18:20 Well listen, we've got some people that are going to tell us 18:23 about the history of Pathfinders. Excellent. 18:28 Where it got started, how it got started, who started it. 18:32 I think I knew some of those guys. 18:36 They were kind of going off the scene when I was coming on, 18:40 but some interesting people. 18:42 And I'm going to wait and see if you're mentioning the names 18:45 that I think were involved. 18:47 But Terry Dodge, we welcome you. 18:51 And Terry is the President/CEO of Youth Pathfinder 18:56 Discovery Learning Center. 18:58 And we're going to hear some more about that, 19:01 and some plans that they have for the future. 19:03 And then we have Dixie Plata. 19:07 Dixie has really been involved with 19:10 Pathfinders for a long time. 19:12 She's, for a young lady, she's done an awful 19:15 lot with Pathfinders. 19:16 And she knows more about the history of Pathfinders, 19:20 probably, than anyone alive, and has 19:23 gathered more information. 19:25 And then my good friend, Pastor Leo Ranzlin. 19:29 And he's the board chairman of the Youth Pathfinder Discovery 19:33 Learning Center, and at one time vice president of the 19:38 General Conference, retired now, living the life of leisure 19:43 as chairman of the board. 19:44 I'm teasing, but Leo I know you would never, never... 19:49 And we both, we had a very good mutual friend 19:55 in Leonard Westphal. 19:56 Leonard was... I miss him as well. 20:00 So why don't we... Yeah you're going to need to pick up that 20:05 mike though, Leo, if you're... when you're talking. 20:08 Hold it right up to your mouth. 20:09 Because these are very directional, and they won't pick 20:13 you up if we're not doing that. 20:17 Well, Terry, we're going to start with you. 20:19 Give us a little rundown here on this organization, 20:24 and some of the things you're doing. 20:26 And we'll talk a little bit about also the 20:28 booth you have here. 20:29 Well, many years ago, in the late 80's, we began talking 20:33 about having a home where we could display, 20:36 and show the things that would belong to Pathfinders. 20:39 And we kept working on that. 20:42 Dixie became our historian. 20:45 And so as a result of that, we began to see a broader vision, 20:50 more of a youth program, because it was young people who 20:56 started the church. 20:57 And so the whole thing is broadened to where it involves 21:00 the beginning of the church, right down through 21:02 Pathfinders, and on to today. 21:04 And so that's why we're here; here in this place in Oshkosh 21:08 displaying about 27,000 square feet of artifacts, 21:14 and things over the history of our church. 21:16 Wow! That's amazing! Have you been to see this? 21:22 You know, unfortunately, I haven't been able to, 21:25 but I know we have some footage. 21:26 When we go and roll that I'll get it. 21:27 I'll get my first time to actually see that. Okay. 21:29 Let's actually go ahead and roll some of that now, 21:31 and you can tell us what we're looking at here. 21:33 Well, here we're looking at the map that young people can come 21:36 in and put a pin on where they're from; 21:39 either United States, or North America, or the world. 21:42 Dixie this is of Room 1. 21:45 These are the flags of the North American Division. 21:49 This happens to be a display of camping, and trying to give the 21:53 young people an idea of the things that happened from the 21:56 beginning and onward. 21:57 At Room 2 we have the history of the 22:02 Seventh-day Adventist Church. 22:03 It was started with young people. Yes. 22:04 And we want our young people to know they're 22:07 part of this church. Right. 22:09 Ellen White was seventeen when she had her first vision. Yeah. 22:12 So this is all here at the Pathfinder booth 22:15 to create the history in the museum. 22:18 And so what are we looking at here? 22:20 This is the Junior Missionary Volunteers talking about 22:24 our reading program. 22:25 Here's Desmond Doss who was a great person in typing knots; 22:30 saved all those people during the war. 22:32 That's his uniform. Wow! 22:34 Here's the honors that were developed during those times. 22:38 Dixie, there was what? 27, 28 the first go around? 22:42 Then we have also the summer camps of all 22:46 the conferences displayed. Incredible! 22:50 And then different things, like the honor. 22:52 That's a knot board, not honor. 22:55 And this is the native American display that we have here 22:59 showing where they can learn their Indian lore. 23:02 They had a wonderful leader called Danny Davis, 23:04 who I worked with many times. 23:06 And a wonderful man who passed away, but we were happy to show 23:09 a display of his life ministry to young people. Excellent. 23:13 This is in the world Pathfinder area, Area 7. 23:18 And we have items there from Inter America, South America, 23:22 Australia, South Africa, Finland, South Korea. 23:27 We are collecting all the time. 23:29 We want our young people to know all around the world 23:32 God loves them, and they're part of this program. 23:35 Young people are able to actually build a canoe. 23:39 I saw them chiseling away. 23:41 That's exactly what they were. 23:42 Yeah. And so we just cover the whole entire history of the 23:47 church and our youth ministry and Pathfinders. 23:51 Wow! 27,000 square feet here in the Pathfinder. 23:55 That's what the museum takes up the space here? Correct. 23:57 Yep, wow, that's a large space. 23:59 Now where did Pathfinders actually start? Well, Dixie. 24:04 Pathfinders started in Southeastern California 24:07 Conference, and there's a lot of stories about that. 24:10 Some of them are not true. Right. 24:12 Some of the books that we read that tell us that Pathfinders 24:17 started at a certain time, and it was the first Conference 24:19 sponsored are incorrect. 24:21 But 1927-28, John McKemm with Pastor Guy Mann, 24:27 who was the youth director there decided that they wanted to 24:31 do something for young people. 24:32 John had been a Scout Master, and he knew that that wasn't 24:39 going to work for our Adventist young people. 24:40 We needed something for ourselves. 24:42 And he was a custodian at... 24:45 It's a long story and a great one. 24:46 But he was a custodian in Orange County School District. 24:49 And one of the schools they went to was the Fremont School. 24:53 And he kept reading the plaque about 24:54 John Fremont the Pathfinder. 24:56 And his colleagues teased him and called him Mr. Pathfinder. 25:00 That's where our name actually came from. 25:02 Is that right? Wow! 25:03 Later Arthur Spalding told stories about Fremont, too, 25:07 and that name really stuck. Un huh. 25:09 But that's where it originally began. 25:11 Is that right? Group 10, that one of the rules, you know? 25:15 And I have me a thrill, because this is an awesome program. 25:18 Right. It's been a thrill just to tell a little bit of the 25:21 history of Pathfinders. 25:22 Because don't you know, in 1950, that's when the 25:24 General Conference officially approved the Pathfinder program. 25:28 But, of course, John Hancock, my boss. Yeah. 25:30 You know, famous. You remember him with his accordion. Yeah. 25:34 He was a wonderful man; in music, a teacher, a singer, 25:38 and he designed many of the honors. 25:40 He designed the triangle. 25:42 He was a fantastic man. He was my boss. Right. 25:44 And he had the idea, because the people, you know, they see this 25:47 scouting program, but there was something lacking there. 25:50 The spiritual part. Yeah. That's right. 25:52 And would you believe there's some people who are against 25:54 starting Pathfinder clubs? 25:55 I can believe it. But there's always those, you know? 25:57 But officially filing we started in 1950. 26:00 And you know what it is? 26:02 There's over two million Pathfinders all over the world. 26:03 Okay now. Just amazing. 26:05 Originally started in 1950; John Hancock right? 26:08 Well, the General Conference approved in 1950. 26:10 But John Hancock, '46, '47, he was already involved 26:13 with Lawrence Falson, and Larry Skinner, all these great leaders 26:18 of the past. Okay. Yes. Yep. 26:21 Dixie were you ever part of any of those clubs? 26:25 I was a part of a club in 1950 at Spangle, Washington. 26:28 Were you? Yeah. Is that right? 26:30 And I've been in Pathfinders for more than 26:32 fifty years now as staff. Yeah? 26:35 So, yeah, I've been around awhile. 26:37 You've been around, haven't you? 26:39 I believe in Pathfinders. 26:41 You do, don't you? 26:43 Do you know there were only seven leaders for the Pathfinder 26:46 church? Only seven, you know, for the world church. 26:49 And three of them are here, right now. Really? 26:52 Another one in Australia, but Elder Skinner passed away, 26:56 John Hancock, and also Mike Stevenson. 26:58 But four are still alive, and the program is still growing. 27:02 From the original group? Yes. Is that right? 27:05 And I had the privilege of being number 3. Did you really? 27:07 That's the General Conference leaders. Yeah, right. 27:11 It was my life. I enjoyed that very much. 27:13 That's why I joined this group here, because I'd just have 27:16 to stay behind, you know. 27:17 It's an awesome program that they have. 27:19 It really is. Yes. Well, Terry, when did you really get 27:22 involved with Pathfinders? 27:23 I got involved when I was ten years old, in 1953. 27:27 Alright, so just three years after you started. 27:30 That's right. Exactly. Wow! 27:31 And what conference was that in? 27:33 It was in the Michigan Conference. Uh huh. 27:35 So I had the privilege of being in Pathfinders, and then, 27:37 of course, working into staff as I got a little older. 27:40 Do you remember who the youth leader was in 27:42 Michigan in those days? 27:43 Well, it was Fred Biven was our leader, 27:47 and was our youth director at that time. 27:51 And Merrill Fleming was involved with Pathfinders. Alright. 27:54 And he was there for 26 years. Okay. 27:58 So then I went back and was asked to take his place, 28:02 and be in the conference. 28:04 So from '90 to 2010 I served the Pathfinder ministry 28:09 in Michigan Conference. 28:11 In Michigan Conference. 28:12 Alright, that was... And Michigan has a great history of 28:17 working with our youth, and especially with Pathfinders, 28:20 as does Southeastern California Conference. 28:23 That's another area that's been really strong. 28:26 But Jim, this thing is not just a museum that we have. No. 28:30 It is a learning center. Okay. 28:33 Youth Pathfinder Discovery Learning Center. 28:36 You know, I talked to some of my friends in Brazil. 28:38 I just came back in January. 28:39 We have 35,000 there. 28:41 We had the leaders, you know. 28:42 We thought we had the largest, but now we've got beaten over 28:44 here, and we're happy for that. 28:47 Well, Brazilians don't like to lose at anything. 28:49 Oh, of course, of course. 28:51 Especially in soccer. 28:52 Not even in soccer, right? Ha, ha, ha. 28:54 But, anyway, this is... many of my friends said that. 28:56 As soon as this thing is done, we want to go over there 29:00 to train some of our leaders. 29:01 They're not just seeing the history of the church, 29:03 but they will be able to learn skills to lead the youth, 29:07 and the Pathfinder program around the world. 29:09 Well, that's great. It really is. 29:11 No, teasing a little bit about... 29:12 I've got so many great Brazilian friends. 29:15 But I think... Leonard Westphal was one. 29:17 Yeah, he really was. 29:19 But I think that... and Moses Primo is another. 29:22 He's with us, you know. Yes, yes, I know. 29:25 But anytime you want to humble a Brazilian now you just say 29:29 7 to 1... Oh my, please don't mention that. Ha, ha, ha, ha! 29:35 That's all you have to say. 29:36 That's okay. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! 29:38 Well Terry, what is the dream now of the Pathfinder Museum? 29:45 Well, our dream is to have a facility that we can have year 29:51 round showing the story of God's leading, as seen through 29:54 the eyes of young people. 29:56 It will tell the story. 29:58 Young people started the work, and young people are going to 30:01 continue the work, and finish the work. 30:03 Because when you think about it, it is amazing what God 30:07 has done in this church. Yes it is. 30:10 And so we want to share that story. 30:12 And so we're looking at Battle Creek is where we're 30:15 wanting to establish this. 30:17 And it will be the mother, shall we say? 30:19 And from there we can in turn have satellites going out 30:23 to other countries. 30:24 Already, Dixie, what countries have we already 30:26 started? some places? 30:27 South America, Inner America, and South Korea, 30:30 we've helped start museums. 30:33 Somebody told me they were in South Korea recently 30:36 and there were thousands, and thousands of young people 30:39 that were involved in the Pathfinder affair there. 30:43 The rest of you should know that Terry, and Norm Middag, 30:46 and Dixie, and myself, we approached 30:48 Dan Jackson and Elder Wilson. 30:50 It has been approved officially by the North American Division, 30:54 and by the General Conference. 30:55 So you would be a part of the village there? 30:57 No, we'll be near the village. Near the village. 31:01 The village has a time line that ends in 1905. Okay. 31:04 So we wouldn't fit in there because ours goes early, 31:08 and then goes much later. Right. 31:09 So we're going to go near the village. 31:11 Near the village. So you're looking for property there? 31:14 Property there. We... 31:15 And if somebody wants to help with this project, how do they 31:18 get in touch with you, Terry? 31:20 They can get in touch with us by going on the website: 31:23 ypdiscoverycenter.org. Okay. 31:27 And that will get them right to our website. 31:29 And that will have the addresses, the e-mails, 31:33 the phone numbers. 31:34 All of that information will be right there on the website 31:36 that they can contact me and Dixie, so either one of us, 31:40 and how they can also contribute to help the project financially. 31:45 And that's what we want them to do is help you financially, 31:49 to be able to put this center together. 31:51 So if you didn't get that, it's ypdiscoverycenter. org 31:59 If you don't get that, if you call us at 3ABN, 32:03 we'll have, the operators will have it, 32:05 and they'll get you in touch with these two. 32:08 Because we want you to have an opportunity to support this. 32:11 We believe in what you're doing. 32:13 And, you know, we're told that as we forget how God has led 32:19 in the past, that's when we don't move forward 32:23 properly for the future. 32:25 And I'm restating it intentionally. 32:28 But I do believe that we must see how God has led in the past, 32:34 and keep that before our young people. 32:36 And, you know, this afternoon Elder Jackson and Elder Wilson 32:40 they went through the whole thing 32:41 They were just completely amazed by what they saw. 32:44 Oh yeah. It's just beautiful. 32:46 I think one of the beautiful things too, of having a Museum 32:48 Learning and Discovery Center is that I'm sure you get 32:51 sometimes some very young Pathfinders coming through. 32:53 I'm sure they're quite amazed, aren't they? when they see 32:56 where Pathfinders has come from, what its built into. 32:59 Because some of these, this is all they know, seeing Oshkosh, 33:02 seeing what Pathfinders is today. 33:04 And so it's a great way for them to become familiar, 33:07 and see those who've brought it to where it is now. 33:09 And, of course, Jesus Christ is the One that has brought it 33:11 to where it is now. 33:13 But have you had any experiences with any young people coming 33:15 through totally amazed, shocked at what they're seeing? 33:18 Well, a lot of them are because they've never seen 33:20 anything like this before. Yes, absolutely. 33:23 The other thing, Jim, I'd like to just mention is that we see 33:27 this as an evangelistic outreach of the church 33:31 for several reasons. 33:32 We know that there are people who come to the village now, 33:35 at the Heritage Village in Battle Creek, who have children. 33:39 They come through. I've had people come to events in they 33:43 ask, How can my children become a part of Pathfinders, 33:47 or Adventures, or something? 33:49 Or how can we organize a club? 33:50 That's right. So our purpose is going to be to get the name 33:55 of that individual, their address, phone number, 33:58 and call the area they came from and ask to let them know 34:02 they can be contacted that they want to be a part of the club. 34:04 Also we know that there are a lot of people who have been 34:09 in Pathfinders over the years. 34:11 Maybe something happened in their life. 34:12 They left the Lord, and they left the church. 34:14 They won't go to a church, but they'll come to the 34:18 Discovery Learning Center. 34:19 They come there; something kindles in their heart. 34:23 They remember stories... I could tell you stories of 34:26 baptisms as a result of things like this. 34:28 People will be reclaimed. Yes. 34:31 So we're seeing this as a total outreach 34:33 ministry evangelistically. Wow! 34:36 Amen. Now I know we have some graphics, some pictures that 34:39 we'd like to show right now. 34:41 And you can explain a little bit about what we're looking at 34:42 here on the screen. 34:44 Here's our first Youth Instructor in 1852, 34:47 right? 1852, yes. That was before I was born. 34:52 I was just thinking, I was trying to remember if it was. 34:54 Now Luther Warren and Harry Finner were 14 and 17 when they 34:58 began the first youth program in 1879 in Hazelton, Michigan. 35:03 Wow! Okay! M. E. Kern was our first General Conference 35:09 youth leader, 1907. Alright. 35:12 1907! What are we looking at here? 35:14 Well, this is interesting because a lot of young people 35:17 have been involved in Ingathering over the years. 35:19 Oh yes, I was, too! 35:20 And that was started by Jasper Wayne, and the year was? 35:24 Oh, you can't ask me that right now. Okay. 35:27 I've had a long day. 35:28 And, of course, this is our pledge and our law. 35:33 That was in 1921, I believe. 35:36 1919. 1919, okay. Wow! 35:39 So this was written, and this is what we follow today; 35:42 the same thing we use today. 35:44 What a wonderful pledge. 35:46 Absolutely, absolutely. 35:47 It's meaningful. Oh yes, very much so. 35:50 What do you think about this Pathfinder Camporee 35:53 that we're attending right now? 35:55 What are some of your impressions of the camporee? 35:58 Camporees, I've been a part of them since Cape Hale in 1985, 36:03 and I believe in them. 36:04 I think it's a great thing that our young people can get 36:07 together from around the world, and across the division, 36:10 and meet friends, and see the things that they are seeing, 36:14 participate in the things that they are participating in, 36:16 and to learn how to become more like Jesus. 36:21 In the stories that are shared every evening, 36:24 what a message they get. 36:26 What a theme: Forever Faithful. Amen, yeah, absolutely. 36:31 And when you look at the life of Daniel and his friends. Right. 36:35 Wow! you do see faithfulness. 36:37 You really do, in every aspect of their life. 36:41 One of the interesting things, you know, you remember the World 36:43 Youth Conference in Zurich? Yes. 36:45 I remember the people that came from Ireland. 36:47 They were just such a small group, and they saw the 36:49 enormous congress with all those young people. 36:52 And those that come from overseas, or even the smaller 36:55 areas, and they are just amazed to be a part of a great 36:58 movement, you know. 36:59 Because this is an agency that has saved a lot of souls, 37:01 12 years old 13, and we baptize more young people in our church. 37:05 That's when they make their commitments for Christ. 37:08 When they come over here, they'll never 37:09 forget this experience. 37:11 You know it's true, Leo. 37:12 And some of these young people come from maybe a little church 37:15 in Illinois, or a little church in Kansas, or in Texas, 37:19 and all they see is a little church. 37:22 We're not that small, are we? Right. 37:24 And then they come here and Wow! 37:26 There's that many kids in our... 37:28 Overwhelming, it's overwhelming. 37:31 It is! Well, it just makes them feel like, you know something? 37:35 And I remember growing up in a town in Tyler, Texas. 37:39 We had 27 members in our church, and just 3 or 4 young people. 37:44 And I just remember feeling how small we were until I saw 37:50 the numbers of our worldwide church, 37:52 which at time was only 300,000. 37:55 You'll never forget that. 37:56 Right, but I kept thinking, Wow, we're part of a larger thing. 38:00 We're not just 27 people, you know. 38:03 So this, I think, helps our young people to realize this is 38:07 a gigantic work around the world. Amen. 38:09 And its growing leaps and bounds. 38:12 It took from the time 1863, when they organized the church, 38:17 till 1963; it took 100 years to get to the first 38:22 million mark worldwide. 38:24 Isn't that something? 38:25 Isn't that amazing? Yeah. 38:26 And now here we are 51 years later knocking on the 38:32 door of twenty million. 38:33 I mean we're 18, 19 million, somewhere in that range. 38:36 That is amazing! In just 50 years to do 18 times what was done 38:41 in a hundred years. 38:43 Was like me when I started my ministry only. 38:45 And look what we have now. 38:46 Yeah, exactly! It was you Leo. Yes! Ha, ha, ha. 38:50 Before you came on the scene we only had a few thousand members. 38:55 That's right! Yeah. Well, I tell you, 38:57 the work has grown all over. 39:00 And other divisions even more than here. Yes. 39:04 It was like I mentioned to Pastor Wilson, we're one of the 39:09 smallest divisions now here, and look at the number of young 39:13 people that God has blessed us with. 39:16 And you can imagine the numbers in these divisions that 39:20 have 2 million members. 39:22 I mean they have just an awful lot of young people. 39:26 Well, it's exciting. It really is. 39:28 And we are praying for this center that you're putting 39:33 together in Battle Creek. 39:35 We appreciate that. 39:36 It's going to be a soul winning center, because its talking 39:39 about our young people. 39:40 Yeah, fantastic. And why don't you give us that website 39:43 one more time, because sometimes it takes, at least me anyway, 39:46 a little time to get a pen and paper together. 39:48 Because we want to make sure we have time that people can write 39:50 it down and support it. 39:52 ypdiscoverycenter. org 39:57 Amen. We really appreciate the wonderful work 40:00 that you all are doing. 40:01 There's a lot of hard work in setting all this 40:02 stuff up here, too. 40:04 That's a lot of time to set all of it up. 40:05 But a beautiful job you all have done. 40:07 And thank you so much. 40:08 I'm a young person. 40:10 I appreciate all the time you've put forward to make it very 40:13 special for those that are attending here at 40:15 the Oshkosh session. 40:16 And we appreciate you praying for this project. 40:18 Thank you, and we appreciate that. 40:20 Well, have you got some more good footage to share with 40:24 us, Greg, for the day? 40:26 You know, I tell you what, we have had a wonderful day here. 40:30 I wanted to just make a comment actually, that I know that we're 40:33 outside here in the, I don't want to say makeshift, 40:37 but the guys have put a lot of hard work into this. 40:41 What did Wilson call it? a, it was some type, 40:44 something like that. 40:45 Did he really? Oh, okay. 40:46 Well I don't want to disagree with him, so ha, ha, ha! 40:48 That's pretty close! 40:50 But anyway, we're out here in a tent, and you can hear 40:51 some noise behind us. 40:53 That's the airplanes. 40:54 How close are we to the runway, Elder Gilley? 40:55 Too close! I will tell you that. 40:57 So just when you hear what sounds like buzzing sounds, 40:59 and things like that, the audio is fine. 41:01 We just have planes and stuff going by. 41:02 But it's neat to be outside. 41:04 That's the neat thing, too. 41:05 There's a lot of young people that are out here camping 41:07 in their tents, and I don't want to say, I guess you could say 41:11 its roughing it a little bit. 41:12 But they seem excited, don't they? 41:13 Most of them have smiles on their faces. 41:15 They do, and they're smiling a whole lot more now 41:18 that it's quit raining. 41:19 But we've got a tremendous crew. 41:23 And I haven't mentioned them. 41:24 I know they get the credits at the end, but Rodney Laney, 41:27 and Brad Walker, and by the way, Brad brought his son along, 41:31 Tyler, and Joel and Christine Baker, Michael Younkin, 41:35 Dan Peak, Curtis Hite, and Netto. 41:38 Where? Netto is out there somewhere. Yeah. 41:41 He's a Brazilian. Uh huh. Good man. 41:43 And ah, yeah, he's a good man. 41:46 Will Worf, Seth Davis, Mark Davis, Larry McLucas, 41:50 Terrance Marshall, and Len Wenzel. 41:52 And these are working hard. 41:55 They were out there in the heat today, and it's warm today. 41:59 Plenty of sunshine. 42:01 In fact I look a little darker today than I did yesterday 42:04 just from being out in this sunshine. 42:07 So its, we appreciate that crew and all the good 42:11 work they're doing. 42:12 Amen! And, you know, in talking about being outside, 42:15 we're actually going to ask Brenda Walsh to come on. 42:17 Because we have some footage about what we did today. 42:22 And we thank you. I want to say thank you all for being here. 42:25 What a privilege it is to have you all here. 42:27 God bless you all. We appreciate your taking the time 42:30 for being on with us. 42:31 May God continue to bless your ministry. 42:33 Thank you, Leo. God bless each one of you. 42:36 But as Brenda comes on, we were talking about 42:38 being outside today. 42:39 And yes, I do feel like my face burns just a little bit, 42:43 because we were outside in the sun. 42:44 And I know some of the crew members... 42:45 There's some of our set up of the Learning Time today, 42:49 which is going on right outside this tent that we're 42:52 actually in right now. 42:54 Look at the beautiful blue sky, the green grass. 42:56 We're getting set up early in the morning. 42:58 It was nice and cool out. 42:59 But we were setting up the equipment getting ready. 43:02 You can see our trucks that we have set right up, 43:05 right outside here. 43:06 And there's some of the Learning Time; first timers coming here 43:09 to do the Learning Time programming. 43:11 And we've got some of the crew here setting up our 40 foot jib. 43:16 Yep. So that gets some really neat shots flying in high. 43:20 And there's Miss Brenda and Tyler, Brad's son, and those... 43:25 Each person that comes to Learning Time here to tape 43:27 gets a free flier Frisbee. 43:30 And they had a lot of fun. 43:32 Look at that. Boy, Miss Brenda, I know you're now on the set 43:34 with us here as this video is rolling, but you're having a 43:37 lot of fun throwing those Frisbee's as well. 43:39 Well, actually, I'm not the athletic one in the family. 43:41 Cinda and Linda, my sisters, are much better at it. 43:43 So I told them to throw challenging. 43:45 Look at those kids! 43:47 Aren't they precious? 43:48 Yes, wonderful smiles on their faces. 43:50 Wonderful smiles. I think that all the kids were smiling today. 43:52 No rain! No rain, that's right. 43:54 And not too hot. Even in the shade it wasn't bad. 43:56 In the sun a little warm. 43:58 It wasn't bad at all, so... 43:59 And do you know none of the kids complained. No? 44:02 Not one complained. 44:04 They were just excited to be a part of the program, 44:07 and they were just excited to be here at Camporee. 44:12 And they really, they just had great attitudes, great spirit. 44:16 They were really, really precious, 44:18 and we had a good time. 44:20 Amen. You know we shot just a little bit of footage there of 44:22 Ben, where you can see him there in the yellow shirt. 44:24 Miss Brenda, tell us a little bit about Ben Roy; 44:26 what a blessing he has been with you. 44:27 Oh, Ben Roy is a tremendous blessing. 44:29 He's actually been with me from the very beginning of Kids Time. 44:32 Going on 15 years. Can you imagine? Wow! 44:35 And this man, I have so much love and respect for him. 44:38 He loves kids. Yeah. 44:40 He loves learning. 44:42 And kids love Ben Roy. Yes, they do. 44:43 But, you know, kids know when you love them. That's right. 44:46 They respond to love. 44:47 And they know who loves them and who doesn't. 44:49 And they really respond to him. 44:50 And he's got such a gentle nature. 44:52 He has a way of just explaining things so neatly, and just very 44:57 very... There you can see. 45:00 Yeah! They were excited, weren't they? 45:02 They were! And he has such, Ben Roy has just really... 45:07 He travels the globe. 45:08 Kid's Time's kind of put him on the map, because now he's in 45:12 demand all over the world, because of kids that have seen 45:16 him on Kids Time all over the world. 45:18 And I have just so much respect for him. 45:20 He has amazing knowledge of science. Yes, he does. 45:23 He can make the most tiniest little thing look interesting. 45:27 And then have your mind wonder, How did he do that? 45:31 How did that work? How did he do that? 45:33 And so he can take the simplest thing and make it fun, 45:36 and fun to learn about science. 45:38 And I love how he ties in a Spiritual message with his 45:41 programs, and I like his ending. 45:44 He goes, Whenever you learn more about science you learn 45:46 more about our Creator, God. 45:49 A Wow! Well, he is really a absolute genius in this area, 45:55 and able yet to transport that to young people in such a way 46:01 that it's not boring, its interesting. Exactly, exactly. 46:04 And so we just think a lot of Ben Roy. 46:08 And he's been so dedicated to the Kids Time ministry. Yeah. 46:12 He even wears his Kids Time Tee Shirt when he goes out, 46:14 all out and about. 46:15 And that's wonderful for kids to even learn; some that have 46:19 never had the chance to even know what that is. Yes. 46:22 You know, you say, Oh, what's Kids Time? when you're 46:24 wearing that shirt. 46:25 So it's a wonderful way to witness as well. 46:27 Well, it really is. 46:28 Well, another great day here. 46:31 Another great day. And we had so much fun out there today. 46:35 We got four programs taped. Amen! 46:39 And I think we have a roll that we could play to show some of 46:43 the things that we taped today. Okay. 46:44 Um, that we could... 46:46 Part of what we actually just rolled, actually just now. 46:49 Oh, so we'll show the rest tomorrow then. Okay? 46:52 Well, we have some really fun times. 46:55 We had a lot of kids come from different countries here today. 46:58 We had from different parts of the country. 47:01 We had somebody from Columbia, from Panama, from Barbados, 47:04 and I think there were kids here from New Mexico, Virginias; 47:11 I mean all over, so they really have a mix of kids. 47:14 And then I had a chance to go back into the booth 47:18 this afternoon and greet and meet a whole lot more, 47:20 and stir up a lot of interest to get kids to come tomorrow. 47:24 Because we can't tape without the kids. No, that's true. 47:27 So really kids are excited about coming. 47:30 One little girl came up to me and she says, I've wanted to be 47:33 on TV my whole life. Ha, ha, ha. 47:36 I think she was nine, you know. Bless her heart! 47:39 Well, she does want to be on. 47:41 She wants to be on, and they're going to be able. 47:43 Well, I said, Well you can be. 47:44 Could we get some footage of her we could show? 47:46 Because that would be great to show her. 47:48 It would be awesome. 47:49 Well, if she shows up tomorrow night we'll make sure that we... 47:51 I'll get a little side interview that we can show for 47:53 tomorrow night's program. 47:55 Alright, we'll put her on. 47:56 And also tomorrow night we have Rich Agulara, 47:59 our new nature, ranger guy on Kids Time. 48:04 So he's really amazing. 48:06 He travels all over the world, and people are really going to 48:09 be interested in hearing about him. 48:11 But I wanted to give an update, if I could. 48:13 For those of you that saw us say hello to Nori last night on the 48:19 program, I got a text from Nori, and she said that she was 48:23 able to see us talking about her. 48:25 And when you started to pray for her, Pastor Gilley, 48:28 she said her nurse was in the room. 48:30 And they were all crying, even her nurse. 48:33 That touched her nurse's heart so much that you prayed for her. 48:36 Wow! So I was really, I thought that the viewers would like to 48:39 know that Nori did get to hear your message, and the prayer. 48:42 Well, I did request the prayer, but actually 48:45 Greg did the praying. 48:46 That's right, that's right! 48:48 But we're all praying for Nori's recovery. 48:50 We're all praying. We really are. We're all praying. 48:53 And we believe that the Lord's going to heal her, 48:56 and that she's going to be restored to health. 49:00 You know, the Lord uses a lot of different things. 49:02 Yes He does. And I think that if she follows the regimen the 49:07 physicians have outlined, and then with the healing power 49:10 of the Lord, I believe that she's going to be 49:13 right back in there. 49:15 She's one special girl alright. Oh, yeah, she is. 49:17 Also last night's program was a result of, so many people heard 49:20 us talking about our Kids Network, and they have sent 49:23 some donations in. So I said, Praise the Lord! 49:26 And don't stop! No, no! 49:29 Because we still need a lot to finish this network. 49:32 We need to finish our Kids Time Network. 49:34 I mean our Kids Network. 49:35 I'm so used to Kids Time, but its 3ABN Kids Network. 49:38 We need to get this going now. 49:40 We don't need to wait five years from now. 49:41 Jesus is coming soon. 49:43 We need to do something for our children right now. 49:45 And really that's... 49:47 Well, we actually... 49:48 We could be moved in a year if we could get 49:50 building right away. 49:52 And we do actually have the Kids Network going. Yes. 49:55 Please don't think it's not. 49:56 It is going. It's doing... but we want a new studio. 49:59 The Kids Network. We need our new studios. 50:01 Yeah, that's right. That's right. 50:03 And we're not going to quit taping. 50:04 We're taping here even. 50:06 And we'll keep taping, but it will go so much better, 50:09 so much faster, and so much more efficient when we have 50:13 the studio down in the Collegedale area. 50:16 Especially because we need so many programs. 50:19 We need over a thousand programs every month just to provide 50:24 really quality twenty-four seven programming. 50:26 That's what I was just going to say, because most people don't 50:27 realize what it takes to do a twenty-four seven network. 50:31 Exactly. That's a lot of programming. 50:32 and that will be the beautiful thing of having that studio, 50:35 because all the programming out of there will be for kids. 50:37 That's right. And that will be the beautiful thing 50:39 of having that studio. 50:40 And I love getting your ideas for programs. 50:43 I've gotten some really wonderful ideas to produce 50:48 programs that people would like to see. 50:49 I like to hear from the parents as well, and the school teachers 50:53 that say, Wow! I wish we could have a program on this, 50:55 and this, and this. 50:56 And this is the time to give me those ideas, because we're in 50:59 program development right now. 51:00 So I'm really excited about that. 51:02 We've got a program I'm working on of having children have 51:07 little sermonettes. 51:08 And I think that's going to be awesome. 51:09 Oh, I do too. I think there are a lot of kids that will respond 51:13 to that, and I think you're going to be amazed at 51:16 some of their messages. Yes. I really do. 51:18 Cause kids love to... 51:20 I had guys come by the booth today that told me, 51:22 they said, We're preachers. Yeah! 51:24 And I said, Have you preached anywhere? Well, Yes, Ma'am! 51:27 And they said they've preached in their church, 51:29 and they said, Well, I preach at school. 51:31 That's right. That's right. Wow! 51:34 Well, they're there. 51:35 And people love to hear, and are blessed by those messages. 51:39 They really are. They are. 51:41 We also want to have some programs for parents. Yeah. 51:43 Because our parents need parenting tips. 51:47 Let's face it, it's getting harder and harder to raise 51:50 kids in today's world, because the Devil's really, really 51:55 fighting hard to steal the hearts and 51:56 minds of our children. 51:58 So it's getting more and more difficult for parents to know 52:01 how to even raise their children. 52:03 And I've had parents say to me, Should I remove the electronics 52:07 from the home? or is it better to train them how to 52:10 make the best choices? 52:11 Yeah, and that's the best way to go. 52:13 Electronics are not the problem, it's the choices we make. 52:16 You know, Camille and I, the Lord let us raise four. 52:20 And one of the things we found, we had a what we called an 52:24 in-line key switch. 52:25 It was a switch that I could switch off, and therefore the 52:30 power was cut to the television. 52:33 That's great! And then we got one of the early recorders. 52:38 So the kids would come home and they'd say, Listen, this is 52:40 going to be on, and every kid in school's going to see it, 52:43 and we haven't seen it. 52:45 And I said, Okay, we'll record it. 52:47 And then Saturday night if this is a worthwhile program, 52:50 we will get some popcorn, and we'll sit down and we'll 52:54 watch it Saturday night. 52:55 But we'll record it tonight. 52:56 Because you're going to study tonight. 52:58 You're doing your studies. 52:59 And you know, the amazing thing? 53:01 I don't know how many times that by the time Saturday night 53:05 came around they'd say, Awe, we don't want to see that. 53:06 We heard all about it, and it wasn't any good anyway. 53:09 But this avoided a battle, I'd say, because they knew 53:16 that it would be taped. 53:17 They weren't going to miss something. 53:19 I think that was an awesome idea. Yeah. 53:20 And so it was worth getting one of the early 53:25 video tape recorders. 53:26 In fact the old reel to reel to start with my kids. 53:29 Then we went to VHS, and then on to Bata and the whole bit. 53:34 But folks, work with your kids. That's right. 53:38 I'm not going to tell you how to raise kids, but my kids knew the 53:42 answer was yes, whatever they wanted to do, 53:45 unless there was a good reason. 53:47 And if I had a good reason, and I said no, 53:51 they did honestly question the reason. 53:53 I wouldn't... I'd say, I'm not going to give you an answer. 53:55 I'm just telling you no right now. 53:56 Sometimes I'd tell them the reason. 53:58 But I don't feel obligated as a parent to always 54:02 give them a reason. 54:03 But if they trust you, and they know, that you know, 54:06 when Dad says no, it must be a pretty good reason, 54:09 because he usually always says yes. 54:11 Then I think that we avoid a battle with our kids. 54:17 If you can avoid, if you can discipline and love them, 54:20 and lead them without battling them, you're going to. 54:25 And sometimes you just have to put your arm around them... 54:28 And say no! Right, and if they give you a rough time you have 54:32 to wrestle them a little bit, you know, but in love. 54:34 In our home, if it wasn't going to bring us closer to Jesus, 54:37 it wasn't going to happen. 54:38 So that was the criteria. 54:40 Is this going to bring you closer to Jesus? 54:42 If we wanted to do anything, was this going to bring 54:44 you closer to Jesus? 54:45 And if we couldn't... 54:46 But I tell you, I got pretty creative about how things 54:48 were going to be getting me closer to Jesus. 54:50 Yeah, me too! That yogurt's going make me closer, right? 54:54 Right, yeah. But listen, Pastor, I was wondering if I could ask 54:57 our viewers; we're getting ready to tape our Bible Stories 55:00 in October, and I have some real needs. 55:02 And I would like to take a moment just to ask if there's 55:06 anybody out there that has any acting ability at all, 55:09 that is interested in acting in our Bible Stories; 55:12 we're taping them in October, three weeks in October. 55:14 Go to my website: brendawalsh. com 55:17 You can click on my schedule. 55:18 You'll see all the exact dates that we're taping. 55:20 And if you can, my contact information is there as well, 55:24 contact me and let me know that you're willing to help me. 55:27 We are in desperate need of some key parts, 55:30 and some supporting roles. 55:31 So I really need some help with Story Time. 55:35 So I'd appreciate it. 55:37 It's a blessing, isn't it, Miss Brenda, to work with young 55:39 people? Amen! For young people to know Jesus. 55:42 That's the key. Amen! 55:43 And you know, and this is a special time in the 55:44 evening here at Oshkosh. 55:46 At this time of night there are thousands of people, 55:48 and I want to ask the crew quickly, we have just 55:51 basically a minute left. 55:52 Just a few seconds of what's happening. 55:54 And this is some shots of last night going into the crowd. 55:56 It absolutely amazes me, because we had about 50,000 young people 56:01 that were showing up for the main evening meeting 56:04 session at Oshkosh. 56:05 And so some of the footage, we may not be quite able to 56:08 share it with you right now, but we will tomorrow night. 56:10 There's some right now. 56:12 This was of last night. 56:13 All of the young people streaming in, and this is a 56:14 very special time in the evening, because this is when 56:17 they all get together, and they're learning again about 56:19 the story of Daniel. 56:20 Look at all those young people out there. 56:21 And we're praying for... 56:23 Look at that! Amazing shots of those young people coming 56:25 in for the evening meeting. 56:27 And that's what's happening about right now there at the 56:30 main stage there at Oshkosh. 56:32 Is that Daniel or the lion? 56:33 I don't know. But, anyway I want to say, Thank you so much 56:36 Miss Brenda, so much for your work with the young people. 56:39 Many of these have seen Kids Time, and I know have been 56:43 blessed because of your love of Jesus, and wanted to share 56:46 that with others. Praise the Lord! Amen! 56:49 And tonight as we go on and leave you, we leave you with 56:54 these scenes, and we just, keep praying for 3ABN. 56:58 Keep praying for our ministry. 57:01 It is your prayers and your financial support 57:04 that keeps us on the air. 57:07 Boy, that's for sure. 57:08 And we want to keep witnessing for our Lord. 57:10 And we want you to hold on to Jesus. 57:12 These are terrible times in so many ways; 57:15 wonderful times as well. 57:17 But the Devil would like to discourage every single one 57:21 of you to give up, so determine that you're going to keep on 57:25 keeping on with Jesus. 57:26 He's our Lord, He's our God, He's our Savior, 57:29 and He loves you. |
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