Hello, and welcome
to 3ABN Night Light.
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I'm C. A. Murray. My
partner, Jim Gilley, is with me.
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And this is a very, very
special Night Light program Jim.
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It really is. And each time
we try to, we try to address
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current situations, and
needs that we feel like are very
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important for God's church, for
education, for those things that
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we are facing as Christians.
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And right now tonight, we're
going to be talking about a very
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touchy subject with some people.
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But it's something I feel
like we have to talk about.
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You know, the Bible tells
us, and we will mention this
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a little bit later on the
program, that we need to be
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as wise as
serpents, harmless as doves.
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And I'm looking at, I've got,
Jim, you can see a little map
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here of the United States.
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And I'm looking
at the plethora...
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Let me use that big $5.00 word
of mass shootings since 1982.
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Yeah. Uh, safety
really is an illusion.
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You know, you're
really only safe in Jesus.
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You can be behind locked
doors, you can go through metal
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detectors, whatever, but
the guns are proliferating,
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mass murder is proliferating.
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You know, when we were young,
you had a beef with a guy,
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you know, you throw out your
school books, and you kind a
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duke it out a little bit.
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That's right.
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But people are now
going and getting guns.
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And guns that shoot a
lot of bullets really fast,
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and hurting a lot
of innocent people.
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And they're settling
their disputes with guns,
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not their fists. Not that fists
were right, but at least you
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could walk away
from the fist fight.
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And, you know, even, to me,
something that I worry about
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even more for some people is
the fact that there are deranged
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individuals who somehow
feel that going into a school,
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or into a church, into a
theatre, into a place where
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there are people, and shooting
a lot of people, somehow they
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imagine that this is a
great heroic deed or something.
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Because we don't
know how those minds work.
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I have no idea how they think.
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Sometimes we get the idea
that because of video games
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this has increased.
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And that very well could be.
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When we had the situation
that took place at Sandy Hook,
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in Newtown, Connecticut, at
that time I once again began to
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realize that we had to do a
special program on 3ABN talking
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and addressing some
of these situations that
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we're facing today.
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And that's, to me that's sort
of the basis of what happened.
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Yeah, you know, Jim, here in
Illinois, our state is one of
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the last states to pass
concealed carry legislation.
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Yes. Where you can just
put a gun in your pocket
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and you can carry it.
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The Governor tried to have some
special laws added to that one.
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You couldn't
bring one to church.
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There were some other things.
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You couldn't have a gun
in a place that sold liquor.
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But those laws were defeated.
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And, of course, now we
have concealed carry here.
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The fact is that
guns are proliferating.
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Even in church
people are carrying guns.
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And that has always
been, but people are now
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using guns in church.
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And so we need
to talk about that.
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We need to kind of
address those kinds of things,
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because we need to
keep our people safe.
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We really do. We know of
a situation that took place
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some time ago here in Illinois,
where there was a man who was
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very upset,
estranged from his wife.
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He came into the church to shoot
her; shot some other innocent
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people; shot the pastor.
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And this makes us realize that
when you go to church this is a
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very real possibility today.
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Now some people have gotten the
idea that if they have enough
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deacons and elders that are
armed, that this will protect
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them, but folks, we found
that that may not be the answer.
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In fact we don't recommend that.
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We want you to
know that we don't.
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And we're going to be
talking in a few minutes
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to some professionals. Yes.
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And I will, I would just be
very, very sure that they are
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going to recommend that
only professional officers carry
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guns to protect people.
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Yeah. When you've got deacons
with guns, elders with guns,
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guns playing church, you don't
want a lot of people spraying
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a lot of bullets around
even in a church situation.
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So you wonder why are they
talking about guns and violence,
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because guns and violence have
lift their way into the church,
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and we need to be aware.
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And so we have brought
a couple of experts here.
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They are both Adventists,
they are both in the security.
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One is in law
enforcement enforcement.
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We're going to introduce
him in just a little bit.
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But we need you to understand
that these are serious times,
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and God's
people need to be wise.
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Our schools are open many times.
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We don't have metal
detectors at our schools.
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I've been the chairman of the
board of a couple of academies.
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You've dealt with
schools all of your life;
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put kids through school.
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We don't have metal
detectors at our schools.
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But we need to be wise, and we
need to be safe in these times.
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Well, we have a responsibility.
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I've been the chairman of the
board of a number of academies,
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and schools, and we
have a responsibility, folks,
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to protect those that are there.
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I do know that some of you live
in places where you don't even
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have to worry about locking
your doors in your house.
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You don't have to
worry about locking your car.
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But I will tell you
this, that that is not true
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all over this country.
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In fact I think you've probably
had some experiences with this,
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so we may be talking about
some of those a little later on.
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Yeah, I've had three cars taken.
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Right, and I will share
some things that have happened
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when I was just going to church,
or being the pastor of a church,
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where we had break-ins,
where people broke into cars,
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broke into our
church, sole the sound system,
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things of that nature.
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These are very
real problems today.
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Now we are preparing this
program so that it is available.
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It's going to be available.
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I may mention this again later,
but it's going to be available
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to schools, and churches,
and organizations of any
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denomination, anywhere in this
country as a gift from 3ABN.
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You only have to contact us,
ask for it, and we will send you
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a copy of this program.
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We also want to try to do the
very best to help you have good
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security in your church.
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Not the type of thing, folks,
where people are all armed,
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and where you don't
feel comfortable in worship.
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That's not the goal. Yeah.
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But the goal is to take
precautions so that we are not
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left without any
kind of protection in this
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type of a situation.
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And here's another area
that we're going to talk about
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in the upcoming video.
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Ah roll in in just a little bit.
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Churches are, excuse me, kind
of an easy mark because you're
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handling large amounts of money,
particularly on Sabbath morning.
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Yeah. My last church,
we were 18 to 20 thousand
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in offerings every Saturday.
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So you need to be aware by
getting that money out of the
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church, out of the sanctuary,
out of the prying eyes of people
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as quickly as possible,
and being very efficient
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in your offering collection.
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Because usually people
who pull these kind of capers
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kind of watch how
things go a couple of weeks.
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You may have people
who you think are visitors.
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They may be looking to
see how you handle your money,
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how tightly, or how
loosely you handle your money,
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and try to find ways
to intercept your money.
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So we're going to talk
about some of those things
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in the videos
that are coming up.
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Jim if you want to introduce
those guys that we're going
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to be interviewing
in just a little bit.
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Well, I will, but, you know,
one of the things we're going to
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show is a video. Oh yes.
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This video is, it's dramatic.
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It is a, it was put
together by Homeland Security
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and I believe the
Houston Police Department.
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And they have put this
together to show what happens,
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or what your reaction should
be if there is an active shooter
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that comes into your place
of work, comes into your school,
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comes into your
church, or wherever.
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Very important to have a plan,
to know, What am I going to do
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if somebody comes in.
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And so this is very important.
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Some of you may not be
able to take this video.
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And if it happens, when the
time comes, in fact some of you
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may not be able to
take this entire program.
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And if that's true I suggest
you take your Bible and go study
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your Sabbath School lesson, or
do something during this time.
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However, I want, and I'm
praying that this program
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will save at
least one life. Yes.
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That someday, somewhere,
somebody will say to us,
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Because you fellows did
that program, my life was saved.
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Yeah. We will give you some
tools during this particular
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video that really will teach
you what to do in a case of
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an emergency; like the old
videos when they set up to the
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fire, stop, drop,
and roll kind of thing.
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Well, we want to put
some tools in your hand,
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because you're not
thinking; you're reacting.
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So we want you to react
correctly because your life
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may depend on how you
react when somebody comes in.
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And you think, you
know, people think,
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It's never
going to happen to me.
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And it does happen to people.
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We're looking at hundreds
of incidences of people who
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probably never thought that
they'd be facing something like
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this, but they are.
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So we want you to be prepared,
and ready to do the right thing
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at the right time to save
your life or someone else's.
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And we are praying that
it never happens to you.
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We're praying that this is
very unnecessary information.
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But you know if you take a
precaution, and you are careful,
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and you are
prepared, then usually
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you don't have to use it.
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But if you have to use
it it's available to you.
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Well, the gentlemen that we
are going to be visiting with,
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Enoch Herd is the head of the
Collegedale Police Department,
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and the director of campus
safety for Southern Adventist
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University is Kevin Penrod.
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These gentlemen have been a
great help to us here at 3ABN.
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They've come here, they've
looked at our entire situation,
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gave us safety
counsel on preventing fires,
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preventing injury in case
there was, roots of escape,
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things of that nature.
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We really have appreciated
their technical ability.
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And these are men
that love the Lord.
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They are born again Christians.
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Seventh-day Adventists,
both of them. That's right.
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And um, I'm sorry Jim.
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No they, Go ahead.
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Ha! We shot this over
on our Today show set,
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so we're going to be going
over there in just a little bit
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just for space
and time constraints.
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But we really want you to pull
out pen, paper; listen to these
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things, because we're going to
talk about a number of things,
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including fire
safety and mental health.
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All of this is in this package.
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Yes, and so right now get a pen
and paper, and we will see you.
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We're going to the other set.
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Our guests are
Kevin Penrod, Enoch Hurd.
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He's the director of safety for
Southern Adventist University.
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Big school, a school that
we love and know quite well.
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And then we move to
the Collegedale Police
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Department, Enoch Hurd.
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Gentlemen, good
to have you here.
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Thanks for having us.
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Kevin kind of looks like
a banker, lawyer, you know,
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that kind of thing,
but he's a safety guy,
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and we're going
to talk about that.
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On a college campus in
particular you've got people
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coming and going, and students
moving, gong to and fro.
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Safety is a big concern.
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People send their children
and put them in the hands of the
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school, and expect
those kids to be safe.
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And we find, many
times, that they are not.
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So you've got big
shoes to fill, and a big job.
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Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
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And we began to really
think about this program
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several years ago, particularly
when there was an incident at
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a church here
near St. Louis. Uh huh.
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And Kevin came
down here and helped us.
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They were, he and Officer Hurd
were here for a camp meeting
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with some other individuals, and
helped train our people for just
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basic safety and
security type situations.
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But then after
recently, in recent months,
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we had the incident that
took place in Connecticut.
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I once again contacted you and
said, We've got to do a program
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on safety for our
churches, and for our
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schools, and on security.
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I don't know if you ever had any
incidents there, but one morning
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I got a telephone call at
our church that there was an
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intruder in the church; that
the janitor called and said,
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Somebody's in this
church other than me.
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And so I immediately
called our Associate Pastor,
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James Buckmaster; who, James
is a big old boy, and I said,
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James, get over there
and see what you can do.
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I said, Probably by the time
you get there they'll be gone.
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That's not true. When James got
there he thought they were gone.
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He called the police.
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The police drove up and
the police said to James,
00:14:22.42\00:14:25.99
as he drove up he
rolled his window down.
00:14:26.03\00:14:27.93
He said, Are you all
unloading things out the back?
00:14:27.96\00:14:30.90
And James said, No!
00:14:30.93\00:14:33.10
Well, somebody was
unloading our sound system;
00:14:33.13\00:14:36.10
close to $30,000.00 worth
of sound system that they had
00:14:36.14\00:14:40.54
destroyed in the
incident that was taking place.
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They weren't
careful in taking it out.
00:14:45.45\00:14:47.42
They didn't even unplug it.
00:14:47.45\00:14:48.78
They just cut the wires.
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And so they did catch the man
out in the back in the alley.
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He was unloading all of our
sound equipment at that time.
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Broad open daylight;
8:00 o'clock in the morning,
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and this is taking
place at our church.
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It made us realize how important
it was to have security there.
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And to have, to take
measures with the alarm system.
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We then made a... It was so
hard to keep the church alarmed
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that we finally ended
up alarming the sound room,
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because that's the room
that had been hit so many times.
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The church has a general
alarm, but it's hardly ever set,
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to be honest with you.
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But we did arm that.
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Now I know you've
had incidents there,
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and you took
security precautions.
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Oh yeah. We've had.
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Every church that I've pastored
we put in a full alarm system.
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Not to take much time, but I
remember that the pastor before
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me at the Ephuses church was
walking down the street one day,
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and saw somebody
walking down in one of his suits
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that they had taken
from the Pastor's office.
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Ha ha! He said, I know
that suit; that's my suit man!
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Right! Well, I bought it
off a guy over there, you know.
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So, I mean, we don't want to
be naive, because people tend
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to prey on churches.
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They go for electronics.
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They go for a lot of the
stuff that's in churches.
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So when we talk about
general safety, Gentlemen,
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what are we envisioning?
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How does a church begin to
protect itself, or a school?
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What are some
of the basic steps?
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This is kind of like safety 101.
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Okay, well we would first
start out; we tell people that
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your safety is
your own responsibility.
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We can be here to handle certain
issues, and to be able to be
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grounds patrol and personnel
safety, but you have to take
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matters into your own
hands at the very beginning.
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And the easiest way to do
that is to become aware of your
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surroundings, and
what's happening to you.
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We have a tendency as
humans, to go around in
00:16:39.33\00:16:42.10
an auto pilot state where we're
functioning, and we're paying
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attention, but yet we're
not really zeroed in on what's
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happening around us.
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So the first step is to
make people personally aware,
00:16:51.71\00:16:53.88
so when they wake up in the
morning and they step outside
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on the porch the first
time take a look around.
00:16:56.75\00:16:58.95
Don't just go
straight to the car.
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Just take a look around.
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And when they go to the shopping
mall, to the grocery store,
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or any of those types of things,
it's the exact same situation.
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Is just make sure that you're
aware of your surroundings,
00:17:08.96\00:17:10.83
and make sure you look around.
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Look people in the eye.
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Predators don't like to be
recognized, or to be able to be
00:17:13.63\00:17:16.43
identified at a later time,
so making eye contact is another
00:17:16.46\00:17:19.80
good way of at least sending
a message that you're paying
00:17:19.83\00:17:21.97
attention to your surroundings,
and that you're capable
00:17:22.00\00:17:26.07
of identifying them.
00:17:26.11\00:17:27.58
So those are
good areas to begin.
00:17:27.61\00:17:31.35
The other general
safety is locking doors.
00:17:31.38\00:17:34.02
They're there for a
reason, so lock the doors,
00:17:34.05\00:17:38.12
lock the windows on your cars.
00:17:38.15\00:17:40.02
Don't leave
things in plain sight.
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Put things in the trunk if
you are going to be parked.
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We've had other incidents
at churches where people use
00:17:46.66\00:17:49.80
the service time to
actually break into cars. Yes.
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They'll use the spring loaded
center punch, pop out the side
00:17:52.37\00:17:55.40
window, grab whatever
they can get, and be gone.
00:17:55.44\00:17:58.01
So we do things
during church services;
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put patrols through there.
00:18:00.94\00:18:02.28
Evening meetings, such as
when you folks have been on
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the campus of Southern,
we've done the exact same thing
00:18:05.45\00:18:07.82
just to keep
that from happening.
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Um huh. You know, I suppose
most of us have either pastored
00:18:09.72\00:18:14.42
churches, or been...
00:18:14.49\00:18:15.82
I actually had a car parked at
a church once, and they broke in
00:18:15.86\00:18:19.49
and stole my radio right
during the eleven o'clock hour.
00:18:19.53\00:18:23.30
My radio was
taken out of my car.
00:18:23.33\00:18:26.57
Can you beat that?
00:18:26.60\00:18:27.94
The pastor, they
stole his whole dashboard.
00:18:27.97\00:18:29.40
He went to put his key in;
hand right through the firewall.
00:18:29.44\00:18:32.87
While during church service,
entire dashboard; took it out.
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You know, you also had an
incident at a Conference office,
00:18:36.04\00:18:39.41
wasn't it?
Yeah, they stole my...
00:18:39.45\00:18:41.78
Well, I've had
three cars stolen.
00:18:41.82\00:18:43.69
And this was off the parking
lot of the Conference office.
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Twenty seconds.
Twenty seconds; wow!
00:18:47.26\00:18:49.86
So we're living in a
real world where these
00:18:49.89\00:18:53.13
kind of things happen.
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Can't prevent all of them,
but we can take precautions,
00:18:54.53\00:18:57.90
and be alert, and
some of these things.
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Kevin, just real
quick, you say look around.
00:19:01.94\00:19:03.44
What am I looking for?
00:19:03.47\00:19:04.81
Strange people?
Things out of the ordinary?
00:19:04.84\00:19:07.04
When I come out in
the morning, I'm scanning.
00:19:07.08\00:19:08.91
What am I trying to
perceive or pick up?
00:19:08.94\00:19:10.71
You hit the nail on the head.
00:19:10.75\00:19:12.08
That's exactly what you're
looking for: something that
00:19:12.11\00:19:13.82
doesn't normally,
isn't normally there.
00:19:13.85\00:19:15.95
Something that
seems out of place.
00:19:15.98\00:19:17.52
It just helps you bring in the
entire scope of what is around
00:19:17.55\00:19:21.89
your home, and
around your vehicle.
00:19:21.92\00:19:23.76
The other thing, it gives you
an opportunity to look at your
00:19:23.79\00:19:25.63
vehicle if it's parked
outside, if there's glass,
00:19:25.66\00:19:27.63
if there's a flat tire,
something on that line that
00:19:27.66\00:19:30.57
would be a possible indicator
that somebody was still around,
00:19:30.60\00:19:33.74
or that something had been done.
00:19:33.77\00:19:35.74
And that's why it's so important
to partner with the local law
00:19:35.77\00:19:38.87
enforcement so that, like
our churches, and our schools,
00:19:38.91\00:19:42.78
it's imperative that we
do partner with our local law
00:19:42.81\00:19:45.78
enforcement personnel, so
they can come in and give a
00:19:45.81\00:19:47.55
perspective from what their job,
and how they're going to handle
00:19:47.58\00:19:50.52
things if we do have an incident
in, and or around our home.
00:19:50.55\00:19:53.09
Uh huh, uh huh. Does lighting
around the house at night
00:19:53.12\00:19:57.06
deter? Does that really help?
00:19:57.09\00:19:58.79
The money you put into, to put
in spotlights or flood lights;
00:19:58.83\00:20:02.16
is that money well spent?
00:20:02.20\00:20:04.20
It depends on what
expert you speak to.
00:20:04.23\00:20:05.83
Some say, Absolutely,
because crooks like the dark.
00:20:05.87\00:20:08.17
Others say, Well, it's just
an opportunity that allows me
00:20:08.20\00:20:10.44
to use my tools in a
better fashion. Yeah!
00:20:10.47\00:20:12.21
So it depends on
which side you're going to.
00:20:12.24\00:20:15.58
Generally I would say
that lighting's probably a good
00:20:15.61\00:20:19.11
thing, because most of
them are going to be deterred.
00:20:19.15\00:20:21.42
I mean most of the
break-ins that we see are not
00:20:21.45\00:20:23.99
in a well lit area.
00:20:24.02\00:20:25.35
It's going to be around the
back, or it's going to be in an
00:20:25.39\00:20:26.79
area that's, you know, shaded,
and would have some cover,
00:20:26.82\00:20:30.33
some time to work.
00:20:30.36\00:20:33.19
You know, I went to a church not
long ago and one of the younger
00:20:33.23\00:20:38.93
members and I were talking.
00:20:38.97\00:20:40.70
I don't know how the
subject actually came up,
00:20:40.74\00:20:42.77
but he let me know...
00:20:42.80\00:20:44.71
I guess we had heard
about a national incident
00:20:44.74\00:20:48.51
involving a church, and someone
had gone in and started firing.
00:20:48.54\00:20:51.95
And he said to me, If that
ever happens in our church,
00:20:51.98\00:20:56.55
he said, two of our elders, and
one of our deacons are packing.
00:20:56.58\00:21:01.02
They actually carry guns.
00:21:01.06\00:21:04.19
Do we have guns in
our churches today?
00:21:04.23\00:21:07.20
Has it actually come
to that, that people are
00:21:07.23\00:21:10.77
actually
carrying guns in churches?
00:21:10.80\00:21:12.50
And if so, is that legal?
00:21:12.53\00:21:15.30
It absolutely is happening.
00:21:15.34\00:21:18.67
They do exist in churches, and
the amount of weapons that are
00:21:18.71\00:21:22.24
finding their way into
the churches are going up
00:21:22.28\00:21:24.78
on a consistent basis.
00:21:24.81\00:21:26.48
People want to
feel safe in church.
00:21:26.51\00:21:28.75
There are some who feel like it
is my responsibility to guardian
00:21:28.78\00:21:32.15
after other congregational
members that may not be able
00:21:32.19\00:21:35.12
to protect themselves.
00:21:35.16\00:21:36.49
And so they go obtain a
weapons permit to carry,
00:21:36.52\00:21:39.49
and they're carrying to church.
00:21:39.53\00:21:41.30
We've had several conversations
with people where we've been
00:21:41.33\00:21:45.70
guarding against, unless the
church adopts that as a policy,
00:21:45.73\00:21:50.24
that is don't take
matters into your own hands,
00:21:50.27\00:21:52.47
because there's an array
of things that could end up
00:21:52.51\00:21:55.74
happening in
that type of an event.
00:21:55.78\00:21:57.81
It comes down to your judgment
skills, your marksman skills.
00:21:57.85\00:22:01.38
And if a critical
event does happen responding
00:22:01.42\00:22:05.25
law enforcement, if
they don't recognize you,
00:22:05.29\00:22:07.56
you're another
threat with the gun. Right.
00:22:07.59\00:22:09.62
And if anything else, you're
taking away from that officer
00:22:09.66\00:22:12.63
potentially working the
threat because you're not known.
00:22:12.66\00:22:16.97
So there are a lot of
variables that work into this,
00:22:17.00\00:22:19.73
and so I think churches need
to be careful, but they need to
00:22:19.77\00:22:23.30
step up at this point in time
right now and say, We're making
00:22:23.34\00:22:26.07
a ruling as a church policy,
to say, You are, or you aren't,
00:22:26.11\00:22:30.75
or this is how
it's going to work,
00:22:30.78\00:22:32.11
and make sure
that it's spelled out.
00:22:32.15\00:22:33.85
Now our insurance
carriers that we've worked with,
00:22:33.88\00:22:35.92
and talked with have said,
We're not covering any type
00:22:35.95\00:22:38.89
of a vigilante, or a
person carrying a gun that's not
00:22:38.92\00:22:42.12
authorized by the church in any
of those critical incidences.
00:22:42.16\00:22:46.49
Now when you talk about
a church authorizing this,
00:22:46.53\00:22:49.70
are you talking about
their authorizing a layman
00:22:49.73\00:22:54.04
to carry a gun? or are you
talking about their authorizing
00:22:54.07\00:22:56.24
an officer, maybe, a lot of
times there are police officers
00:22:56.27\00:23:01.98
that attend a church.
00:23:02.01\00:23:03.35
Are you talking... What
are you talking about there?
00:23:03.38\00:23:06.82
Well, to me that's the
explanation of the entire policy
00:23:06.85\00:23:09.45
of saying, We're only going
to allow bonified sworn law
00:23:09.48\00:23:12.32
enforcement officers to actually
carry, and to intercede if some
00:23:12.35\00:23:16.62
thing does happen, until
on duty officers are able
00:23:16.66\00:23:18.96
to come and assist.
00:23:18.99\00:23:20.33
That way you're taking
out of play of everybody else.
00:23:20.36\00:23:23.87
I've spoken to one church where
they've said, If you want to
00:23:23.90\00:23:26.03
bring a gun to
church, leave it in the car.
00:23:26.07\00:23:28.04
That's close enough.
00:23:28.07\00:23:29.40
That's as far as we're
going to be willing to go.
00:23:29.44\00:23:31.67
But I think each church
needs to take a look at it,
00:23:31.71\00:23:33.61
until we hear something
from the General Conference or
00:23:33.64\00:23:35.58
North American Division, if
there's going to be a blanket
00:23:35.61\00:23:37.91
policy that comes out that each
church is going to have to look
00:23:37.95\00:23:40.82
at what their needs are, how
quickly they can get a response
00:23:40.85\00:23:43.72
from law enforcement in
the event a critical incident
00:23:43.75\00:23:46.65
happens on their property.
00:23:46.69\00:23:49.82
From a legal standpoint you have
a lot to consider in addition
00:23:49.86\00:23:53.50
to just if you have a permit.
00:23:53.53\00:23:55.16
So you have a permit;
you're legal to carry that gun,
00:23:55.20\00:23:57.37
and you do get involved
in a situation, and you help,
00:23:57.40\00:24:00.47
and you possibly even stop it.
00:24:00.50\00:24:01.84
You're not out of the
civil litigation arena at all.
00:24:01.87\00:24:06.01
And you've got a host
of things to consider.
00:24:06.04\00:24:08.61
You could accidentally
injure somebody else.
00:24:08.64\00:24:10.51
I mean if you're in a church,
especially if you think of all
00:24:10.55\00:24:12.15
the people in
the pews, you know.
00:24:12.18\00:24:13.52
Somebody comes down the
isle and they're shooting
00:24:13.55\00:24:14.98
or something, and you take
action and do something to stop
00:24:15.02\00:24:17.39
that, what if you
hit somebody else?
00:24:17.42\00:24:19.12
You know, criminally
you wouldn't be charged,
00:24:19.15\00:24:20.49
but you could lose everything.
00:24:20.52\00:24:21.96
You know you have a... Right.
00:24:21.99\00:24:23.32
Carrying a gun is a personal
responsibility that one has to
00:24:23.36\00:24:26.36
come to terms with on their own.
00:24:26.39\00:24:27.73
And you have to accept
the responsibility if you're
00:24:27.76\00:24:29.10
going to carry one.
00:24:29.13\00:24:30.47
Yeah. So we're saying,
gentlemen, as it stands now
00:24:30.50\00:24:32.90
if a person pulls a gun
in church, even in defensive
00:24:32.93\00:24:35.87
posture, because someone else
is aggressive, he's on his own.
00:24:35.90\00:24:38.94
I mean it's on you.
00:24:38.97\00:24:40.31
There's no... The church
is not going to go behind you.
00:24:40.34\00:24:44.18
It's you're taking your
situation in your own hands.
00:24:44.21\00:24:47.08
Absolutely. Yeah. You know
now, I was talking again to a
00:24:47.12\00:24:51.15
young man who's Assistant
Principal of a large school,
00:24:51.19\00:24:54.56
but it's located about, in fact
the officers from the county
00:24:54.59\00:25:00.86
were recently there,
and talked to the faculty.
00:25:00.90\00:25:05.47
And they said, We need some
people up here who are legally
00:25:05.50\00:25:11.31
licensed, because he said it
takes us 28 minutes to respond
00:25:11.34\00:25:16.81
to this area if there were
an emergency that took place.
00:25:16.85\00:25:20.75
And you're talking about a
lot of people there in that
00:25:20.78\00:25:24.49
particular area, in that
school, and that community.
00:25:24.52\00:25:27.56
He said, But it takes us 28
minutes at our best response,
00:25:27.59\00:25:32.03
to get here, and you
have no law enforcement
00:25:32.06\00:25:36.53
at this particular
school, and you have no security
00:25:36.56\00:25:40.50
on this particular campus.
00:25:40.54\00:25:43.71
So these are things that need
to be taken into consideration,
00:25:43.74\00:25:49.04
that needs to be, you just
can't arm everybody and say,
00:25:49.08\00:25:53.62
Now you're
deputized sort of things.
00:25:53.65\00:25:56.52
It's not like the old west.
00:25:56.55\00:25:58.02
But we do have to do some
type of an organized situation.
00:25:58.05\00:26:03.79
But you are saying guns
in churches should only be
00:26:03.83\00:26:07.86
done by
professionals. Is that right?
00:26:07.90\00:26:09.86
Absolutely! There's two churches
in Tennessee that we've worked
00:26:09.90\00:26:13.10
with right now that actually
hire out a third party security
00:26:13.13\00:26:16.40
company that actually
provides armed uniformed guards
00:26:16.44\00:26:19.61
that protect the property while
services are going on during
00:26:19.64\00:26:22.71
board meetings in the evenings
while your senior people
00:26:22.74\00:26:26.82
are present on the property.
00:26:26.85\00:26:28.18
And they've gone that route to
send a message, but not getting
00:26:28.22\00:26:31.72
church members involved. Yes.
00:26:31.75\00:26:33.66
So that is an option, or
to subcontract with off duty
00:26:33.69\00:26:36.19
law enforcement officers
who are prepared to handle
00:26:36.22\00:26:40.20
a situation should it arise.
00:26:40.23\00:26:41.70
I have a question for you.
00:26:41.73\00:26:43.33
Because when I was pastoring
the Ephesus church in Manhattan,
00:26:43.37\00:26:45.63
we had a big membership;
a million and a half dollars
00:26:45.67\00:26:48.67
tithe a year,
$247,000.00 local church budget.
00:26:48.70\00:26:51.97
We averaged $18 to
$20,000 per Sabbath.
00:26:52.01\00:26:55.34
I had an
undertaker, interesting enough,
00:26:55.38\00:26:58.05
who carried a gun every Sabbath.
00:26:58.08\00:26:59.41
I'll call his
name, Willie Bathea.
00:26:59.45\00:27:01.18
He was armed every Sabbath,
and an excellent marksman.
00:27:01.22\00:27:04.05
What we did was to...
00:27:04.09\00:27:06.05
I think one of the times
you're most vulnerable is during
00:27:06.09\00:27:08.12
tithes and offerings.
00:27:08.16\00:27:09.49
You know, you've got
people standing there.
00:27:09.52\00:27:10.86
Everybody's head
is bowed to pray.
00:27:10.89\00:27:12.23
You've got money there.
00:27:12.26\00:27:13.60
What we did was have
them collect the money,
00:27:13.63\00:27:14.96
get it out of the
sanctuary immediately,
00:27:15.00\00:27:16.33
then have your prayer, but
not heads bowed, eyes closed,
00:27:16.36\00:27:18.93
and you've got all
this money kind of stuff.
00:27:18.97\00:27:20.64
Isn't that kind of a
very vulnerable time?
00:27:20.67\00:27:22.60
Shouldn't churches
try to protect themselves?
00:27:22.64\00:27:24.54
You've got money floating
around, you've got people
00:27:24.57\00:27:26.34
who are walking around,
and those kinds of things.
00:27:26.37\00:27:28.28
That seems like a very
vulnerable time in the service
00:27:28.31\00:27:30.18
when something could
happen that could be disastrous.
00:27:30.21\00:27:32.45
And it's easily,
quickly done, because we're
00:27:32.48\00:27:35.48
not prepared for that.
00:27:35.52\00:27:36.85
And another school that I
was director of safety at,
00:27:36.89\00:27:40.26
what we did after
the offering was taken
00:27:40.29\00:27:42.52
it was taken to a count room.
00:27:42.56\00:27:43.89
And then once it was locked in
the bag we actually transported
00:27:43.93\00:27:47.40
it to the bank with the
deacon; put it in the overnight,
00:27:47.43\00:27:50.83
so therefore it
was off the premises.
00:27:50.87\00:27:52.30
Off the premises, yes.
00:27:52.33\00:27:53.67
This is after we came in and
found the safe in the treasurers
00:27:53.70\00:27:55.60
office pried
from the wall. Right.
00:27:55.64\00:27:57.97
So that was an indicator;
okay it's time to make change.
00:27:58.01\00:28:00.74
Make change, yes, yes, yes.
00:28:00.78\00:28:02.11
So it's a real vulnerable time.
00:28:02.14\00:28:04.38
So you want to get that money
off the premises, to the bank,
00:28:04.41\00:28:06.88
as quickly as possible.
Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
00:28:06.92\00:28:09.18
Now some of the incidents that
we have looked at though over
00:28:09.22\00:28:12.75
history have been maybe
an estranged husband coming,
00:28:12.79\00:28:17.93
or someone who had a grudge
against someone at the church,
00:28:17.96\00:28:22.36
and those types of people.
00:28:22.40\00:28:24.67
What can you do to
protect yourself from
00:28:24.70\00:28:27.54
that type of situation?
00:28:27.57\00:28:29.00
What we've recommended in
the past is that if you have,
00:28:29.04\00:28:32.27
or are dealing with a situation
like that to get a personal
00:28:32.31\00:28:34.84
order of protection, or to get
a, there's a restraining order,
00:28:34.88\00:28:41.55
and then work with the local law
enforcement, let your deacons
00:28:41.58\00:28:44.55
know what a person looks like,
that says you can't be within X
00:28:44.59\00:28:47.16
amount of feet from this person.
00:28:47.19\00:28:48.52
And then get local law
enforcement involved so that
00:28:48.56\00:28:51.66
they're aware that you're
attending a certain church
00:28:51.69\00:28:53.93
at a certain time, so
they could be prepared.
00:28:53.96\00:28:56.46
And most agencies have a watch
list of sorts, and people can
00:28:56.50\00:28:59.63
request to be put on
their for different reasons.
00:28:59.67\00:29:01.64
And that comes up.
00:29:01.67\00:29:03.00
You know, this person goes
to church here, and they have an
00:29:03.04\00:29:05.54
issue going out with an
ex-spouse, and be aware of it.
00:29:05.57\00:29:09.81
And now there's another question
that comes up, and as a church
00:29:11.45\00:29:16.85
we're trying to win people.
00:29:16.89\00:29:18.25
We're trying to bring
in the lost and help them.
00:29:18.29\00:29:21.66
How would you handle, say
for instance, someone who is a
00:29:21.69\00:29:28.00
sexual predator who is
on a sexual predator list,
00:29:28.03\00:29:32.53
but they start
coming to your church?
00:29:32.57\00:29:34.37
How would you handle that?
00:29:34.40\00:29:37.64
We've allowed that in the past,
but they had to have another
00:29:37.67\00:29:42.14
person, such as a guardian,
a personal who would be
00:29:42.18\00:29:44.48
responsible for them that would
partner with them from the time
00:29:44.51\00:29:47.22
that they entered
the property, until after
00:29:47.25\00:29:49.42
the service was over, and then
they would escort that person.
00:29:49.45\00:29:52.55
But there was a signed agreement
that said, I will be with this
00:29:52.59\00:29:55.72
individual the entire
time they are on your property.
00:29:55.76\00:29:58.66
Right, and we likewise in one
of the churches that I pastored
00:29:58.69\00:30:03.33
had that very same thing.
00:30:03.37\00:30:05.43
And it worked very well.
00:30:05.47\00:30:06.80
And the person was
obedient to the agreement.
00:30:06.84\00:30:11.74
And so that worked out well.
00:30:11.77\00:30:13.24
Yeah. Here's a question then,
because you're on a college
00:30:13.27\00:30:15.58
campus. You're
dealing with young people.
00:30:15.61\00:30:17.21
Do the rules of engagement vary
much when you're dealing with
00:30:17.25\00:30:20.45
a church population, which
older more subject to the wrong
00:30:20.48\00:30:24.09
people, and then college
campus, you've got young people,
00:30:24.12\00:30:27.32
you've got people who are
away from home who don't know,
00:30:27.36\00:30:30.66
I mean we can't send
everybody, I guess we could,
00:30:30.69\00:30:33.06
through metal detectors.
00:30:33.09\00:30:34.43
You don't want to do.
00:30:34.46\00:30:35.80
That's kind of a turn off.
00:30:35.83\00:30:37.17
How do you begin to make your
population aware of the dangers
00:30:37.20\00:30:41.90
that are around them
so that their heads are up
00:30:41.94\00:30:44.47
and their eyes are
moving all the time?
00:30:44.51\00:30:46.34
Particularly when
you've got young people,
00:30:46.37\00:30:47.71
and you've got so many as
on a college campus setting.
00:30:47.74\00:30:50.38
Sure. To put up firearm
free zone signs to educate the
00:30:50.41\00:30:55.12
students that the law is
clear as far as a student
00:30:55.15\00:30:58.05
on a college campus.
00:30:58.09\00:30:59.42
In the state of Tennessee
you cannot have a firearm in the
00:30:59.45\00:31:02.19
dorm, in your car, etcetera.
00:31:02.22\00:31:04.23
You cannot have that.
00:31:04.26\00:31:05.59
So educating them to
what the requirements are,
00:31:05.63\00:31:07.63
then partnering with the deans,
and anyone else that we can
00:31:07.66\00:31:11.47
partner to reinforce
that information to do that.
00:31:11.50\00:31:14.67
And, unfortunately, sometimes
people will take advantage of
00:31:14.70\00:31:16.91
that and then they get caught.
00:31:16.94\00:31:18.27
And then that's where
local law enforcement comes in,
00:31:18.31\00:31:20.34
and an arrest is
made, and charges are filed,
00:31:20.38\00:31:24.65
and we've got to go that way.
00:31:24.68\00:31:26.01
It's difficult for young people
to purchase a firearm for the
00:31:26.05\00:31:30.59
amount of money that they cost
and not have it close to them.
00:31:30.62\00:31:33.52
It's very difficult, and
it's a challenging thing,
00:31:33.56\00:31:36.56
and more and more people are...
00:31:36.59\00:31:38.33
We're finding
more and more people...
00:31:38.36\00:31:39.73
I mean look at what the
gun sales have happened,
00:31:39.76\00:31:42.00
and how they've soared, and
ammunition has been going up in
00:31:42.03\00:31:44.83
price, and harder
and harder to find.
00:31:44.87\00:31:46.80
So they're going somewhere.
00:31:46.84\00:31:48.37
So we try to be vigilant in our
areas of making sure that we get
00:31:48.90\00:31:53.14
the education out, and then
just, like I said, partner with
00:31:53.17\00:31:56.38
as many as we possibly can.
00:31:56.41\00:31:57.75
And if a situation arises deal
with it as quickly as possible.
00:31:57.78\00:32:01.22
Let me ask this
question, Jim, and forgive me.
00:32:01.25\00:32:03.15
When I send my child to school,
off to college, does the school
00:32:03.18\00:32:08.89
maintain or have the
right to search their room?
00:32:08.92\00:32:13.19
Can they legally do that
if they suspect something,
00:32:13.23\00:32:15.76
or do they fall into
kind of the wider set of laws?
00:32:15.80\00:32:19.53
I send my child to Southern;
something is suspected,
00:32:19.57\00:32:23.37
they call a general room search.
00:32:23.41\00:32:24.97
Does the school have
the right to do that?
00:32:25.01\00:32:26.68
Can they go in and search rooms?
00:32:26.71\00:32:28.74
Yes, they can. When they signed
the admittance form to come to
00:32:28.78\00:32:32.98
the school, it says
that it can be searched.
00:32:33.01\00:32:35.72
Now we try to do that when
there is only probable cause.
00:32:35.75\00:32:38.79
We don't just come
and do random searches.
00:32:38.82\00:32:40.72
Now at Southern what we do is we
get the dean's to participate.
00:32:40.76\00:32:43.69
So they actually are the ones
that go in and do the search,
00:32:43.73\00:32:45.89
and then our officers observe,
so that anything that is found
00:32:45.93\00:32:49.10
is not compromised from an
evidence standpoint. I see.
00:32:49.13\00:32:51.43
And then if there is an illegal
issue there than we contact
00:32:51.47\00:32:53.80
the police department.
00:32:53.84\00:32:55.17
They come in and
they take over from there.
00:32:55.20\00:32:56.54
Thank God we have not had any
major shooting incident's on any
00:32:57.41\00:33:01.54
of our campuses that I know of.
00:33:01.58\00:33:03.21
But you're saying guns
and students, that a no no.
00:33:03.24\00:33:06.48
That's just can't happen.
00:33:06.51\00:33:08.68
Correct, correct. Okay.
00:33:08.72\00:33:10.05
Alright, very, very good.
00:33:10.09\00:33:11.42
One thing to mention
with regards to dean's,
00:33:11.45\00:33:14.62
and interaction with
students, and with the...
00:33:14.66\00:33:17.73
I'm an Adventist. I've
been one my entire life.
00:33:17.76\00:33:19.89
The, you know, the trend
is, you know, in the schools
00:33:19.93\00:33:23.43
they try to give everyone a
second chance, or look the other
00:33:23.47\00:33:25.60
way, or you deal
with things internally.
00:33:25.63\00:33:27.30
But the culture we're getting
into now, especially with all
00:33:27.34\00:33:30.31
the violence everyone's
exposed to, and video games
00:33:30.34\00:33:32.07
that are very popular
that a lot of people play.
00:33:32.11\00:33:35.64
I don't let my kids play
any of them, but you get this,
00:33:35.68\00:33:39.38
you've got so much
more you have to watch for,
00:33:39.41\00:33:42.02
and things that you
might observe as a dean.
00:33:42.05\00:33:44.85
Don't hesitate to
make a note of that.
00:33:44.89\00:33:47.12
And you don't have to involve
the police with everything,
00:33:47.16\00:33:48.66
but if you see
something that seems off,
00:33:48.69\00:33:51.09
bring it to someone's attention.
00:33:51.13\00:33:52.59
Some of these things that have
happened in the recent years
00:33:52.63\00:33:54.16
could be avoided if people
had just stepped up instead of
00:33:54.20\00:33:57.07
just, Oh, it will be okay.
00:33:57.10\00:33:58.70
I mean it's a different time.
00:33:58.73\00:34:00.07
You know, people are not, a
lot of people are not thinking
00:34:00.10\00:34:02.37
good thoughts, and at the
student level the deans are the
00:34:02.40\00:34:06.51
one's that are an actor,
and to see where they live.
00:34:06.54\00:34:07.88
They see how they conduct
themselves when they're not in
00:34:07.91\00:34:11.05
class, and they may be a
different person in the dorm
00:34:11.08\00:34:12.85
than when they're in class.
00:34:12.88\00:34:14.22
Things like that keep me on.
00:34:14.25\00:34:15.58
Things like that
can be a precursor,
00:34:15.62\00:34:16.95
and something to
keep in touch with.
00:34:16.99\00:34:18.59
You know, we talk about
this second chance culture,
00:34:18.62\00:34:21.66
and, of course,
having a pastoral heart,
00:34:21.69\00:34:23.89
talk to me just a
second, gentlemen.
00:34:23.93\00:34:25.59
There are certain things that
you don't really have an option.
00:34:25.63\00:34:29.06
They have to be reported.
00:34:29.10\00:34:30.47
What are those kinds of things?
00:34:30.50\00:34:32.20
You know, if I see
this, I gotta report this.
00:34:32.23\00:34:34.40
This is not, Oh well, okay,
we'll just keep this between us,
00:34:34.44\00:34:36.44
but there are certain things
I know that have to be reported.
00:34:36.47\00:34:38.71
What are those kinds of things?
00:34:38.74\00:34:40.41
I know ours vary some
from local law enforcement.
00:34:40.44\00:34:43.55
We're bound by Cleary
laws, which we have to report on
00:34:43.58\00:34:46.41
several different
categories such as rape,
00:34:46.45\00:34:48.95
murder, thefts, etcetera, that
type of thing that we have to
00:34:48.98\00:34:52.55
put out there for people to be
able to go on the web and look
00:34:52.59\00:34:55.76
and see what our
crime rate and base is.
00:34:55.79\00:34:57.93
Now law enforcement
obviously has a different...
00:34:57.96\00:35:00.40
It can be a lot less of a
standard than the school would
00:35:00.43\00:35:03.06
have, I would think, because
unless it's an actual crime
00:35:03.10\00:35:05.93
you're observing you
really have no burden to take it
00:35:05.97\00:35:07.54
to law enforcement.
00:35:07.57\00:35:08.90
Okay, okay. If you're getting...
00:35:08.94\00:35:10.27
When a student says
someone is harassing me.
00:35:10.31\00:35:12.47
I'm getting innuendos, maybe
touching some kind of thing,
00:35:12.51\00:35:15.64
can I just say, Let's
bring the two kids together.
00:35:15.68\00:35:17.71
We'll sit down and
we'll talk about it
00:35:17.75\00:35:19.08
and just let it end there.
00:35:19.11\00:35:20.45
Does that have to be reported?
00:35:20.48\00:35:21.82
It is to be reported.
00:35:21.85\00:35:23.18
That is one of the
Cleary reportable...
00:35:23.22\00:35:24.55
And we have to report
it as it's given to us.
00:35:24.59\00:35:27.56
So, therefore, if a
person comes in and says,
00:35:27.59\00:35:29.62
This just happened to me.
00:35:29.66\00:35:30.99
We have to take
that at face value. Okay.
00:35:31.03\00:35:32.66
Now what we can do, we
report that as a statistic.
00:35:32.69\00:35:35.36
We have the police
department come out.
00:35:35.40\00:35:37.03
Their criminal investigation
division can go back and now
00:35:37.07\00:35:39.67
interview both parties.
00:35:39.70\00:35:41.04
If they find out that
the complaint was unfounded
00:35:41.07\00:35:43.17
the statistic can be removed,
but it can only come from
00:35:43.20\00:35:46.31
a bonifide police department at
this point in time to be able to
00:35:46.34\00:35:48.74
remove that statistic. Okay.
00:35:48.78\00:35:50.31
But there's more of that
coming with date situations,
00:35:50.35\00:35:53.05
with date rape,
with harassments,
00:35:53.08\00:35:55.58
to even through electronics.
00:35:55.62\00:35:57.49
Yeah. See,
that's where I'm going.
00:35:57.52\00:35:58.85
That a professor or an
administrator doesn't have the
00:35:58.89\00:36:01.19
privilege to say,
Okay, well he's a nice guy.
00:36:01.22\00:36:03.69
We won't say anything.
00:36:03.73\00:36:05.06
We'll just kind of
keep this between ourselves.
00:36:05.09\00:36:06.43
We'll pray about
it and just let it go.
00:36:06.46\00:36:07.80
But if someone
makes an aggressive move
00:36:07.83\00:36:09.63
that's got to be reported.
00:36:09.66\00:36:11.00
It does. Yeah. And we're
actually, not just at Southern,
00:36:11.03\00:36:13.50
but across the country
universities are reporting
00:36:13.54\00:36:17.47
more and more of the cyber
stuff where one person may not
00:36:17.51\00:36:21.58
even be in the same state. Yes.
00:36:21.61\00:36:23.24
And so there is an harassment
aspect, and an intimidation
00:36:23.28\00:36:26.58
that's coming from that,
which makes a student feel very
00:36:26.61\00:36:28.58
uncomfortable,
because they never know
00:36:28.62\00:36:29.95
if they could show up.
00:36:29.98\00:36:31.32
They could walk
outside their dorm room
00:36:31.35\00:36:32.69
and here is this person.
00:36:32.72\00:36:34.06
Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow.
00:36:34.09\00:36:35.52
You know, it's amazing that
things now that are reported
00:36:35.56\00:36:39.56
when we went to school, or
at least when I went to school,
00:36:39.59\00:36:43.20
and these were things that
were very definitely handled
00:36:43.23\00:36:49.90
all by the campus
itself, and were never reported
00:36:49.94\00:36:53.41
to any law enforcement at all.
00:36:53.44\00:36:56.08
Although I will say that
where I went to school my early
00:36:56.11\00:37:00.22
college years
was at Southwestern.
00:37:00.25\00:37:02.85
They did have a marshal
in the city, which was also
00:37:02.88\00:37:07.22
kind of took care of the
school security, so to speak.
00:37:07.26\00:37:12.19
And it was sort of the
beginning of what we see now,
00:37:12.23\00:37:16.87
which is far more a full
fledged police department
00:37:16.90\00:37:19.97
in that particular area, and
also campus security as well.
00:37:20.00\00:37:26.37
So in the old days it was
just one of the students was
00:37:26.41\00:37:29.84
a night watchman;
went around and plugged
00:37:29.88\00:37:31.55
the different places.
00:37:31.58\00:37:33.18
And we used to try to pull
jokes on him and scare him.
00:37:33.21\00:37:35.98
We succeeded a few times.
00:37:36.02\00:37:38.92
But it's such a different
world that we're living in now.
00:37:38.95\00:37:42.79
And so many times some of us
want to keep thinking in terms
00:37:42.82\00:37:48.86
of the world in
which we used to live in,
00:37:48.90\00:37:50.83
and it's really not
that way anymore. Yeah.
00:37:50.87\00:37:54.47
And, by the way, Officer
Hurd talked about being an
00:37:54.50\00:37:57.04
Adventist all of his life.
00:37:57.07\00:37:58.97
I can vouch for that because
his father, I knew his father
00:37:59.01\00:38:03.95
back in New England,
and he came to my church
00:38:03.98\00:38:08.15
there in Connecticut.
00:38:08.18\00:38:10.52
And I appreciated him very much,
and happy to hear that he's
00:38:10.55\00:38:15.06
still in good health.
00:38:15.09\00:38:16.42
Yep, he's doing good.
00:38:16.46\00:38:17.79
When we talk about, and I
remember growing up having
00:38:17.83\00:38:23.06
fire safety drills.
00:38:23.10\00:38:24.43
They kind of annoyed us.
00:38:24.47\00:38:25.80
You have to get up,
and line up and, you know,
00:38:25.83\00:38:27.17
file a single
file; that kind of thing.
00:38:27.20\00:38:28.54
And I suspect that's
something that schools
00:38:28.57\00:38:32.04
should do at all levels.
00:38:32.07\00:38:33.41
Should churches
even do that also?
00:38:33.44\00:38:34.78
I, and to be honest with you,
I can't remember anyone of the
00:38:34.81\00:38:36.95
seven or so churches I pastored,
us ever having a fire drill.
00:38:36.98\00:38:40.28
You know we come to church
and pray and sing and go home.
00:38:40.32\00:38:43.22
We never did that. Is
that something that schools and
00:38:43.25\00:38:45.29
churches should
do even to this day?
00:38:45.32\00:38:47.42
I personally believe that
you have an obligation to a
00:38:47.46\00:38:50.06
congregation to
be able to do that.
00:38:50.09\00:38:52.19
And that's from personal
experiences where we actually
00:38:52.23\00:38:55.16
had a fire at one of the
churches that I was attending.
00:38:55.20\00:38:57.27
And when we opened up the
doors there was smoke going in.
00:38:57.30\00:39:00.40
And so stood up and said,
There's a fire in the building.
00:39:00.44\00:39:03.71
We need to evacuate.
00:39:03.74\00:39:05.07
Everybody kept paying
attention to the front.
00:39:05.11\00:39:06.81
Finally, until the Lord blessed
me with a good set of lungs.
00:39:06.84\00:39:09.44
I went to the front and
said, The building is on fire.
00:39:09.48\00:39:11.98
Move outside. Do it now!
00:39:12.01\00:39:14.12
That grabbed people's attention,
and they started moving out.
00:39:14.15\00:39:17.12
But, I mean, the entire
basement was full of smoke.
00:39:17.15\00:39:19.89
There actually was a
fire in the building.
00:39:19.92\00:39:22.32
And so we don't
think about that at church,
00:39:22.36\00:39:24.23
as far as that goes, but how
do you have to evacuate people?
00:39:24.26\00:39:28.50
Where are you
going to evacuate them?
00:39:28.53\00:39:30.13
A lot of times we
want to evacuate them
00:39:30.17\00:39:31.63
to the parking lot.
00:39:31.67\00:39:33.00
That's maybe where our
Fire Department's coming.
00:39:33.03\00:39:34.47
So it's important to
partner with the Fire Department
00:39:34.50\00:39:36.47
and say, Okay, if you have to do
a full congregation evacuation
00:39:36.50\00:39:40.91
where do you want us to go, so
therefore we're not in the way?
00:39:40.94\00:39:44.28
Same thing with severe weather.
00:39:44.31\00:39:45.81
If you have tornados or severe
thunder storms, if there's a
00:39:45.85\00:39:49.62
basement to the church how
are you going to get that number
00:39:49.65\00:39:52.25
of people safely downstairs
in the shortest amount of time?
00:39:52.29\00:39:55.26
So a pre-plan needs to be put in
place that covers all hazards,
00:39:55.29\00:39:59.33
and then practice that plan.
00:39:59.36\00:40:01.60
That's excellent. I don't know
if you've ever been pastoring
00:40:01.63\00:40:05.87
in a church that caught on fire,
but we've tried to catch them
00:40:05.90\00:40:09.60
on fire spiritually.
00:40:09.64\00:40:10.97
But I actually, in Dallas
the church caught on fire.
00:40:11.01\00:40:16.24
It was an electrical fire.
00:40:16.28\00:40:18.41
And all of a sudden one of the
deacons came in and ordered an
00:40:18.45\00:40:24.39
evacuation, and I'm preaching.
00:40:24.42\00:40:26.86
Sometime I'll
show you that video.
00:40:26.89\00:40:29.52
It's quite humorous.
00:40:29.56\00:40:31.39
I'm trying to hold them for a
little bit longer to finish my
00:40:31.43\00:40:34.66
sermon, and he's
trying to get them out.
00:40:34.70\00:40:38.20
But we did have
to finally evacuate.
00:40:38.23\00:40:41.20
But it was an electrical
fire coming to the building.
00:40:41.24\00:40:44.21
Actually the building itself
wasn't on fire, but it burned
00:40:44.24\00:40:48.78
a couple of cars
out in the parking lot.
00:40:48.81\00:40:50.51
And it was quite an incident.
00:40:50.55\00:40:53.45
Things like this happen.
00:40:53.48\00:40:55.48
And just because you've gone
to church and it hasn't happened
00:40:55.52\00:40:59.39
doesn't mean that it won't.
00:40:59.42\00:41:01.39
And so we have to be
prepared for these things.
00:41:01.42\00:41:06.43
We're talking, even this
morning, about a fire drill
00:41:06.46\00:41:09.50
here in our office,
because we honestly, I believe,
00:41:09.53\00:41:14.04
have some areas of
concern here for evacuation.
00:41:14.07\00:41:19.24
And we want to make
sure that we're doing that.
00:41:19.27\00:41:21.81
What about the personal safety
of individuals at our churches?
00:41:21.84\00:41:28.15
Our personal safety, again
it goes back to everybody being
00:41:28.18\00:41:32.05
responsible for their own.
00:41:32.09\00:41:33.46
But some of the concerns that
have come to my attention over
00:41:33.49\00:41:37.33
the years is that not
necessarily during church
00:41:37.36\00:41:40.13
services, but when church
services are being offered
00:41:40.16\00:41:43.47
to people such as 2:00 o'clock
in the afternoon and someone
00:41:43.50\00:41:46.70
comes in that's disturbed,
or is feeling the need to pray.
00:41:46.74\00:41:50.31
A lot of times the people that
they're praying with are tucked
00:41:50.34\00:41:52.54
into a cubby office somewhere
way back in the middle of
00:41:52.57\00:41:55.28
nowhere, so to speak, or our
office staff is sitting there
00:41:55.31\00:41:59.08
and there's
nowhere for them to go.
00:41:59.11\00:42:01.08
So we need to start looking
at how we can protect them.
00:42:01.12\00:42:04.25
And it's the balance between
being protected and aware,
00:42:04.29\00:42:07.52
but not becoming paranoid
before we take things too far.
00:42:07.56\00:42:10.89
So there has to be that balance.
00:42:10.93\00:42:12.59
But there are a lot of times
that there may be only one or
00:42:12.63\00:42:14.76
two people in a church.
00:42:14.80\00:42:16.13
And there, unfortunately,
have been attacks in churches
00:42:16.16\00:42:18.83
where people have been
hurt, you know, things stolen
00:42:18.87\00:42:21.64
even during the day.
00:42:21.67\00:42:23.00
And I know from some of my
experience robberies in homes
00:42:23.04\00:42:26.94
have actually changed to where
now they're hoping to catch you
00:42:26.98\00:42:29.54
at home, where before
they always wanted you out.
00:42:29.58\00:42:32.28
Well, if I catch you at
home in a vulnerable position
00:42:32.31\00:42:34.78
you'll give me your valuables.
00:42:34.82\00:42:36.15
I'll be out the door quicker.
00:42:36.18\00:42:37.52
Yeah, there are a lot more
of them during hours when people
00:42:37.55\00:42:42.06
are home, nighttime
when people are sleeping,
00:42:42.09\00:42:44.79
or just coming home
from work, so it's not just
00:42:44.83\00:42:47.53
abandoned houses anymore.
00:42:47.56\00:42:49.60
So it's more of an armed
robbery type thing rather
00:42:49.63\00:42:52.90
than just a break in.
00:42:52.93\00:42:54.27
Kind of like a home invasion.
00:42:54.30\00:42:55.64
Home invasion, wow!
00:42:55.67\00:42:57.07
The same things we were
talking about the offering.
00:42:57.11\00:42:58.51
It's when it's available,
because you're going to give
00:42:58.54\00:43:01.04
that up versus
hazarding somebody's life.
00:43:01.08\00:43:03.58
Understood, yeah, yeah.
00:43:03.61\00:43:05.01
When I got here I
noticed one thing about the
00:43:05.05\00:43:06.85
principle offices here.
00:43:06.88\00:43:08.22
All of them have windows in it.
00:43:08.25\00:43:09.62
There are no closed
offices that don't have windows.
00:43:09.65\00:43:12.15
Even brother Gilley's
office has a window in it.
00:43:12.19\00:43:15.09
I think that's a wise
thing that there's never
00:43:15.12\00:43:17.53
this total seclusion.
00:43:17.56\00:43:18.96
When I was
counseling in New York I always
00:43:18.99\00:43:21.46
left my door unlocked.
00:43:21.50\00:43:22.83
You know, you go in and
lock the door kind of thing?
00:43:22.86\00:43:24.57
It sends the wrong message,
plus it opens you up to a lot
00:43:24.60\00:43:27.34
of stuff that you don't need.
00:43:27.37\00:43:28.84
So little things like
that I think are wise.
00:43:28.87\00:43:31.01
We've got a video. It's
got a little strong content,
00:43:31.04\00:43:34.34
so we kind of need to warn
our audience that it's coming,
00:43:34.38\00:43:36.95
but I think it's
something you wanted to show.
00:43:36.98\00:43:38.78
Before we lose our hour here
I think we should go to that,
00:43:38.81\00:43:41.45
and then we can kind of
reflect on it after we watch it.
00:43:41.48\00:43:44.02
So let's go to
that video just now.
00:43:44.05\00:43:45.95
It may feel like just
another day at the office,
00:43:53.06\00:43:55.66
but occasionally life
feels more like an action
00:43:57.80\00:44:01.44
movie than reality.
00:44:01.47\00:44:03.27
The authorities are
working hard to protect you,
00:44:07.78\00:44:10.25
and to protect
our public spaces.
00:44:10.28\00:44:12.35
But sometimes bad
people do bad things.
00:44:23.69\00:44:27.60
Their motivations are different.
00:44:30.63\00:44:32.37
The warning signs may
vary, but the devastating
00:44:36.81\00:44:41.14
effects are the same.
00:44:41.18\00:44:42.58
And, unfortunately, you need
to be prepared for the worst.
00:44:46.11\00:44:50.22
If you are to ever find yourself
in the middle of an active
00:45:07.24\00:45:10.14
shooter event your
survival may depend on whether
00:45:10.17\00:45:13.91
or not you have a plan.
00:45:13.94\00:45:15.31
The plan doesn't
have to be complicated.
00:45:15.34\00:45:18.15
There are three things you
could do that make a difference:
00:45:20.92\00:45:24.02
run, hide, fight. First and
foremost, if you can get out do.
00:45:24.05\00:45:33.93
Always try an escape
or evacuate even when
00:45:34.70\00:45:37.80
others insist on staying.
00:45:37.83\00:45:39.30
Encourage others to leave with
you, but don't let them slow you
00:45:39.33\00:45:43.81
down with indecision.
00:45:43.84\00:45:45.27
Remember what's
important: you, not your stuff.
00:45:49.44\00:45:52.75
Leave your belongings
behind and try to find
00:45:53.75\00:45:56.15
a way to get out safely.
00:45:56.18\00:45:57.62
Trying to get yourself out
of harms way needs to be your
00:46:00.26\00:46:02.79
number one priority.
00:46:02.82\00:46:04.46
Once you are out of the line
of fire, try to prevent others
00:46:08.66\00:46:11.93
from walking into the
danger zone and call 911.
00:46:11.97\00:46:15.30
If you can't get out safely, you
need to find a place to hide.
00:46:35.86\00:46:39.39
Act quickly and quietly.
00:46:51.87\00:46:53.34
Try to secure your
hiding place the best you can.
00:46:54.28\00:46:57.05
Turn out lights, and if
possible remember to lock doors.
00:46:57.08\00:47:03.25
Silence your
ringer and vibration mode
00:47:04.09\00:47:06.29
on your cell phone.
00:47:06.32\00:47:07.66
And if you can't find a safe
room or closet, try to conceal
00:47:09.89\00:47:14.00
yourself behind large
objects that may protect you.
00:47:14.03\00:47:17.03
Do your best to
remain quiet and calm.
00:47:18.07\00:47:20.04
As a last resort, if your
life is at risk, whether you are
00:47:35.35\00:47:40.62
alone or working
together as a group fight.
00:47:40.66\00:47:44.19
Act with aggression.
00:47:45.06\00:47:46.46
Improvise weapons.
00:47:46.83\00:47:48.30
Disarm him, and
commit to taking the shooter
00:47:48.33\00:47:52.57
down, no matter what.
00:47:52.60\00:47:55.20
Try to be aware
of your environment.
00:48:09.42\00:48:11.05
Always have an exit plan.
00:48:12.59\00:48:13.92
Know that in an
incident like this victims are
00:48:14.62\00:48:17.66
generally chosen randomly.
00:48:17.69\00:48:19.16
The event is unpredictable
and may evolve quickly.
00:48:19.63\00:48:23.37
The first responders on the
scene are not there to evacuate
00:48:26.23\00:48:29.57
or tend to the injured.
00:48:29.60\00:48:31.01
They are well trained and
are there to stop the shooter.
00:48:31.04\00:48:34.71
Your actions can
make a difference for your
00:48:51.86\00:48:54.13
safety and survival.
00:48:54.16\00:48:55.83
Be aware and be prepared.
00:48:55.86\00:48:58.70
And if you find yourself
facing an active shooter,
00:49:00.14\00:49:02.94
there are three key
things you need to remember
00:49:02.97\00:49:05.94
to survive: run, hide, fight.
00:49:05.97\00:49:12.08
Excellent! You know the
thing that jumps out at you is
00:49:29.76\00:49:32.20
that fight is last.
00:49:32.23\00:49:33.57
Yeah, it's last not first.
00:49:33.60\00:49:35.47
Last, right. Don't go and
try to be a cowboy or hero.
00:49:35.50\00:49:37.84
That's last. And I think
that's very, very important.
00:49:37.87\00:49:40.18
Yeah, and you know it's too bad
that we have to actually look
00:49:40.21\00:49:45.81
at this type of
thing today, but we do.
00:49:45.85\00:49:48.08
And I applaud those who
put that video together,
00:49:48.12\00:49:51.05
because it is going
to save lives. It is.
00:49:51.09\00:49:55.36
You know a plan of action,
should the unthinkable take
00:49:55.39\00:50:00.00
place... If enough people
can look at this, see this,
00:50:00.03\00:50:04.27
they realize first of all run.
00:50:04.30\00:50:07.24
You've got to know when to
hold em, know when to fold em.
00:50:07.27\00:50:09.97
Know when to walk
away, and know when to run.
00:50:10.01\00:50:12.77
And there's a time to run.
00:50:12.81\00:50:14.21
And then second was hide.
00:50:14.24\00:50:18.21
And if you can't run then hide.
00:50:18.25\00:50:21.15
And if you can't even then
if you can't stay away from them
00:50:21.18\00:50:25.82
resist, because it's amazing
how the resistance to some of
00:50:25.85\00:50:32.76
these individuals stops them.
00:50:32.79\00:50:34.53
They are not accustomed to it.
00:50:34.56\00:50:36.73
And they weren't planning
on it, I think in many cases.
00:50:36.77\00:50:41.80
So the resistance in many
cases pays off for people.
00:50:41.84\00:50:47.48
If they cannot run,
cannot hide, then to resist.
00:50:47.51\00:50:51.08
Officer Hurd, you talked about,
when we were watching the video,
00:50:51.11\00:50:53.95
you mentioned it's a good
thing to invite law enforcement
00:50:53.98\00:50:56.95
into your building, maybe to
give seminars, have lectures.
00:50:56.99\00:51:01.79
What would they
do when they come?
00:51:01.82\00:51:03.66
Well, most in an active shooter
situation, or any type of
00:51:03.96\00:51:07.66
shooting the police are
going to get dispatched.
00:51:07.70\00:51:09.26
And if it's something
like a shooter on a campus,
00:51:09.30\00:51:11.70
or a larger thing,
there's going to be,
00:51:11.73\00:51:13.87
most areas have a
team of some sort.
00:51:13.90\00:51:16.24
You know, swat
team, sort team, a special
00:51:16.27\00:51:18.51
operations team of some sort.
00:51:18.54\00:51:20.08
We look forward to
opportunities to train.
00:51:20.11\00:51:23.85
And if we're invited to a
church, or to a school like
00:51:23.88\00:51:26.78
Southern University, we've been
very familiar with the campus,
00:51:26.82\00:51:29.48
and it gives us an
opportunity to make pre-plans.
00:51:29.52\00:51:32.19
You know, map out the campus,
learn your fire safety plans,
00:51:32.22\00:51:36.12
your exit plans,
where critical people are.
00:51:36.16\00:51:38.99
If you have the opportunity, if
you're the head of the school,
00:51:39.03\00:51:43.10
or Administrator, or
the head of a church,
00:51:43.13\00:51:45.13
invite the
local law enforcement.
00:51:45.17\00:51:46.50
You'll be surprised most of
them will be very happy to come
00:51:46.53\00:51:49.04
see your facility, and become
familiar with the procedures,
00:51:49.07\00:51:51.41
so they can better help you
in the event of an emergency.
00:51:51.47\00:51:53.78
So call them
before you need them.
00:51:53.81\00:51:55.41
Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:55.44\00:51:57.01
Great idea. Alright.
00:51:57.05\00:52:00.98
We didn't talk about
or touch on mental health.
00:52:01.02\00:52:04.65
Walk us through what
you have in mind there.
00:52:04.69\00:52:10.23
For us, again, we partner
with the local police department
00:52:10.26\00:52:13.70
to make sure that any threat
that they perceive from the
00:52:13.73\00:52:16.67
community as well as now on
campus, we have a group that
00:52:16.70\00:52:19.67
gets together
that looks at behavior
00:52:19.70\00:52:22.24
that could be disturbing.
00:52:22.27\00:52:23.61
And what we're doing, we talked
about earlier in the show,
00:52:23.64\00:52:26.17
is that it needs to be,
this needs to be brought up,
00:52:26.21\00:52:29.51
then another thing
needs to be brought up.
00:52:29.54\00:52:30.98
Because if I act
out in my office,
00:52:31.01\00:52:33.11
it's looked at
as a single event.
00:52:33.15\00:52:34.72
But then if I'm at
another department on campus
00:52:34.75\00:52:36.99
and I act out, and if it's
a behavior that continues to
00:52:37.02\00:52:39.89
deteriorate
those are indicators.
00:52:39.92\00:52:42.12
And at least we need
to get together and look.
00:52:42.16\00:52:44.23
And then we can talk with
the police department and say,
00:52:44.26\00:52:46.46
Have you had any interactions
with this individual?
00:52:46.49\00:52:49.10
And it helps us at least attempt
to isolate potential threats
00:52:49.13\00:52:54.77
prior to them happening.
00:52:54.80\00:52:56.14
We work with our counselors
on the campus, as well as going
00:52:56.17\00:52:59.24
back to the dean's, etc.
00:52:59.27\00:53:01.08
Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you what
we did when I was in New York.
00:53:01.11\00:53:03.31
We actually adopted
the local police precinct.
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We had adoption services.
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We had adoption papers.
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We brought them in to service.
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We had them walk
through our building.
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We adopted the local
128 Precinct: 250 guys.
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We had all their birth days.
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We had them in the church a lot.
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And it really worked out well
to have them in our building.
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We were in their building a lot.
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And we adopted them.
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We formally adopted
the local police precinct.
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I think that's
an excellent plan.
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It really is. Well listen,
we want you to be able to
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get a copy of this.
00:53:32.67\00:53:34.01
And you can get it from
us, or we have an address roll
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if you'd like to contact
Kevin Penrod or Officer Hurd
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this is how you can do it:
00:53:43.25\00:53:44.82
Gentlemen, before we
just sort of lose you,
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answer this question for me.
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I'm a pastor, I'm a
school board chairman,
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I'm a principal of a school.
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What is the one thing, or two
things that I can do to be most
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effective to change the culture
of my church so that we are
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aware of the things
that are going on around us?
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I would say, 1. Be
honest with your congregation,
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and get the feedback from them.
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The other thing that has
just been put together through
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Dale Hodges at
Andrews University.
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He's the founder
and president of PASS.
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And that is Professional
Adventist Safety and Security.
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It's a group that's now
met three years in a row.
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If you go to the
General Conference web page and
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type in pass, you'll get
led to a web page that describes
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what the entity is, and it is
for all Seventh-day Adventists.
00:55:14.38\00:55:18.18
It can be churches,
health care, schools, etc.,
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and it's the best practices.
00:55:22.82\00:55:24.72
And we've just
finished our third conference,
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and we're growing quickly.
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And the idea is to get out
the word, and a partnership with
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everybody that we
possibly can inside the church,
00:55:33.13\00:55:35.30
or inside the religion, as
far as reaching everybody on
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having the best
practices possible.
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So that is a brand new thing.
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We're happy that the General
Conference has jumped on board
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and supports, and there's
information on that webpage too
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that is updated on a
consistent basis for that.
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Now there are others
that could be a part of that,
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other churches, other
denominations, other schools.
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Absolutely, yes.
00:55:59.02\00:56:00.36
It's not limited only
to Seventh-day Adventists?
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Correct, at this point.
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Right. So now what are
they going to find when
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they go to that site?
00:56:06.39\00:56:07.73
They're going to find
talking points, safety tips.
00:56:07.76\00:56:11.90
We're going to be putting
out DVD's on best practices,
00:56:11.93\00:56:15.70
a networking of
policy sharing with other...
00:56:15.74\00:56:19.04
Right now it's been
schools that have been the
00:56:19.07\00:56:20.88
leaders in this so far.
00:56:20.91\00:56:22.24
But like disaster
plans, or evacuation plans,
00:56:22.28\00:56:25.01
we'd be willing to share
our information with somebody
00:56:25.05\00:56:27.58
so they don't have
to re-create the wheel.
00:56:27.62\00:56:29.28
They can also just go ahead
and utilize what we've tested,
00:56:29.32\00:56:32.09
and put that in to.
00:56:32.12\00:56:33.46
And that would help, I
would think, a lot of our church
00:56:33.49\00:56:35.22
people from their security
standpoint of not having to make
00:56:35.26\00:56:38.49
up something if they already
have a pre-made plan that
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they can put into place.
00:56:40.86\00:56:42.20
They may have to tweak
it some to fit their needs.
00:56:42.23\00:56:44.67
We recommend highly
that you go to the site.
00:56:44.70\00:56:49.37
Get that information.
00:56:49.40\00:56:51.54
We also are offering this DVD
absolutely free to any church,
00:56:51.57\00:56:56.95
or school that
would like to have it.
00:56:56.98\00:56:59.95
Any organization that has people
that come and are part of it
00:56:59.98\00:57:05.29
like a school, or
church, or fellowship;
00:57:05.32\00:57:08.29
we want you to have this.
00:57:08.32\00:57:10.76
And it's a place to start.
00:57:10.79\00:57:12.79
We realize that this DVD is
not the answer; not the end.
00:57:12.83\00:57:16.67
But we are trying to create
awareness, so that you do seek
00:57:16.70\00:57:21.27
professional help,
professional answers.
00:57:21.30\00:57:24.51
And we're so happy that
Kevin, you could be with us,
00:57:24.54\00:57:29.04
and Officer Hurd,
you could be with us.
00:57:29.08\00:57:31.68
Thank you so much
for coming and sharing.
00:57:31.71\00:57:35.52
Because we believe that
this is going to save lives.
00:57:35.55\00:57:38.95
And, by the way, we
thank you for supporting 3ABN.
00:57:38.99\00:57:43.63
And we just pray that you will
keep on keeping on with Jesus
00:57:43.66\00:57:47.36
Christ our Lord, He's
our God, He's our Savior.
00:57:47.40\00:57:50.73
He's the One that
sustains us, and He is the One
00:57:50.77\00:57:54.47
that will be with us.
00:57:54.50\00:57:55.84
May God bless you.
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