Well good evening,
and we're coming to you
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from Surprise, Arizona.
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And the reason I'm laughing
is that sometimes I want to say,
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Sunshine because
it's so bright here,
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you know, and so beautiful.
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And in fact I slipped
one time and called it that,
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and I've never heard the end
of it from Pastor Murrell Tull.
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But we're in
this beautiful church,
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and we're having
a tremendous time.
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And I think that you've
been just as thrilled with this
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first few days
here as I've been.
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We have heard two excellent
messages, and one of our
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panelists, Pastor Jeff Zaremsky,
the worship leader in Florida.
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Fabulous message, deep
message, a lot to say to us
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from a unique perspective.
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And that's what I like about
these presentations that come
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from those with
a Jewish heritage.
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They have a unique perspective
on the Bible in its entirety.
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Right. And that's what Jeffrey
remind us again of this night.
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Absolutely! And we're learning
some things, because, you know,
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somehow in our mind we've
had the idea that there was the
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Old Testament, the New
Testament, and of course there
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is in a very real sense, but
there is also a oneness that is
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here in Scripture. Yes.
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And this is the
amazing and beautiful thing.
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Well, would you
introduce our panel?
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Well, we have Ralph Ringer
in the lead seat, I guess it is.
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Well, he's closest to us, and
directs the Jewish work at the
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North American
Division, and a good friend
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of the
ministry, and we love him.
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Our speaker for this
evening, Jeff Jaremsky.
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Two congregations he is
the leader of in Florida,
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and I always get them
wrong, so Jeff what are they?
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They are Frontier Beth
El-Shalom, New Port Richey and
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Beth El-Shalom,
Saint Petersburg.
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Alrighty. And Jeff has told
us that he's allergic to cold,
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so we gave him
some good weather.
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That's why he's pastoring,
and working down in Florida.
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And our friend, the
theologian from Oregon,
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Sasha Alexander Bolotnikov.
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Are you in Oregon now?
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I thought you were in
Cincinnati. I missed it.
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No, I'm already in Oregon.
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Well, actually,
technically in Washington.
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Okay. Vancouver,
Washington, but it belongs
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to Oregon Conference.
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Alright, okay. Well, we're...
and tell us a little bit.
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What are you doing there?
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Well, besides directing
the Shalom Learning Center,
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which is a training and outreach
institution for North American
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Division, I'm also
leading a congregation there.
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Alright. And in your
spare time you do what?
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Ha! Sasha keeps busy!
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And then he co-hosts a
program for us, which has...
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That's my spare time.
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Yes, ha ha, ha, right.
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So we appreciate that.
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Ralph give us just a sense
of what you were called to do,
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what your portfolio entails.
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Well, when I was evangelism
coordinator for the Florida
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Conference, I gained a deeper
passion for reaching the Jewish
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people, especially when I
understood from the Bible,
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and the Spirit of
Prophecy, they are the last
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people group to be reached.
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And the Lord laid on my heart
to enable, to help to fund,
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organize, and put them on.
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In fact, the man sitting beside
you had a lot to do with me
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going to the division.
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I was happy doing that in
Florida in the Southern Union.
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And then he asked me to lead out
in the North American Division.
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And that's what
we're still doing;
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like bringing Sasha in, getting
Jeff started in the work there
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in Florida, so I don't
actually do Jewish ministry.
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I enable, I set the culture, the
funds, organize so that it can
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happen, and also the go
between between conference,
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between churches, and
so on, and the workers.
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Because the Devil knows this is
the last work, the last people
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group to be reached, and so he
pulls out all the stops to try
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to stop that from happening
to slow down Jesus' coming.
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If you were to go to
Jeff's synagogue there...
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I've been many times to the one
that's, it's in Clearwater, no!
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Well, you've got
the Clearwater...
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St. Pete is where it is.
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And I've been there many times.
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If you went in that, and
if you've been in synagogues,
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you're going into a synagogue.
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They've got the Torah
there. It's in an ark.
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When the Lord gave me
the privilege of being at
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North American Division I
was, I wore a lot of hats.
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I was on 65 boards and
committees, chairing a great
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deal of them, one of which
was this particular committee.
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We were able to buy, or
to purchase ten of those,
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if my memory serves me
correct, at $4,000.00 apiece,
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which was an excellent buy.
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We bought ten of those.
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They're beautiful, old antique,
from out of Europe, and each one
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of the synagogues has one.
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There may be some
others somewhere, I don't know.
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There may be more than one,
because you have a beautiful one
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there, and each time they do
the reading of the Scripture,
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they bring that out.
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And this is much like
when Jesus opened the scrolls
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and read from Isaiah.
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It is very similar
to what we have there.
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Ah Jim, I noticed
that you were referring
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to it as a synagogue.
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Some of our
congregations do that.
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I prefer that we use the word
congregation, because we don't
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want to be limited to
what a synagogue does. Okay.
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On the other hand, we
don't want to be limited to
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what a church does. Right.
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And so congregation is
acceptable on both sides,
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and we have a tendency to ruffle
less feathers, and also to get
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the message out to both
groups what the work really is.
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It's to congregate God's people
into that oneness that Jeff
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talked about
tonight in his presentation.
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In that one tree where
the Gentiles are grafted in,
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some of the Jews had been
cut off, but then they could be
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grafted back in
into one tree where the
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Messiah, Jesus is the root.
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And so, therefore, I would
prefer to look at it that way.
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I think it's a broader
reach and understanding.
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And then because
it's a congregation,
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they are not limited to do just
what churches or synagogues do,
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but they can bring
together God's people.
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And, Jim, I know you're
very sensitive to that also,
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having led that group.
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But, going to you,
Jeff, so you prefer the term
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congregational leader.
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It kind of frees you to
minister in the way that
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you wish, don't you?
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Sure, that's a good term
for again broad spectrum.
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But in the synagogue there
are, in the congregation there,
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we use the term Rabbi as well.
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Uh huh, yah, uh huh.
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Although we have to be
kind of careful, because when we
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announce Rabbi in the
traditional Jewish community
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it means an individual, leader,
teacher, who is ordained,
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and recognized by
the Jewish community.
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And, you know, we don't want to
be looked upon as some kind of
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deceptive in this sense.
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We want people to
understand who we are.
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We want people to understand
what they're choosing.
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I think we need to be sensitive.
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It's a little bit like, as a
pastor if someone addresses you
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as, and respectfully from a
different background, Reverend.
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I don't think we ought to
make a big issue out of it.
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At the same time, I
don't think we ought to
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necessarily address ourself.
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I'm not saying
Rabbi is like that.
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I'm just saying that we
need to be sensitive to both the
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Christian background,
and the Jewish background.
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And, as Paul said, he was
all things to all people that
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some might be saved.
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And that we are sensitive, and
that if we are addressed in a
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certain way by a certain group,
let's not be a problematic,
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or on the other
hand, not be offended.
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It's really a broad term
though in many, many respects.
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In fact you'll find that Jesus,
who probably was not an ordained
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Rabbi, was often
referred to as Rabbi.
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So I even call C.
A. Rabbi now and then.
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It's interesting in the Jewish
community, actually the term
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Rabbi is the
Aramaic word meaning great;
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somebody in the
position of authority.
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And actually
Rabbi's, unlike the priests,
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are not of Aaronic descent.
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It's the lay people who,
basically around the third
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century BC, second century
BC took the role of being the
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teachers of the Torah, because,
unfortunately, Levites and
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priests became a bit corrupted,
and tempted with money.
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And that's how the term arrived.
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But it also, but now in
the modern society it has this
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kind of a specific connotation.
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So when people say, You
know, and for many Jewish people
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a teacher is the Rabbi.
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And they'll still call me Rabbi.
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You know, I have my
degree in Rabbinic literature.
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But I am proud to be an ordained
Seventh-day Adventist pastor.
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And regardless of the fact
that during my course of studies
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I was approached by my
colleagues and teachers to go
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into a real Rabbinate, and be a
Rabbi of reformed congregation,
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I respectfully
declined this because I am loyal
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to the church I believe.
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Alright. Well, good.
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One of the things we talked
about when we met a couple
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years ago, and went with this,
Jim, was because you wanted
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the world to know, and
Ralph has touched on this,
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that this is a specific people
group that you have to reach
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in a very specific way.
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It's not a one size
fits all kind of thing.
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When you're dealing with
Christians of other faiths,
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you have some common ground
that you can sort of begin with.
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When you're dealing with
the Jewish man, I can't grab you
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by the tie and say, You need
to give your heart to Jesus,
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because He died for your sins.
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That's not going to fly.
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It won't fly with
anybody else either.
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That is very, very true!
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But what we're saying is
that when you're dealing with
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our Jewish brethren, there is a
certain way you have to approach
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if you want to be
perceived as legitimate.
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And you're not going to be able
to go in with some of the things
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that we've classically
done with other Christians.
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And this is also true
of the Muslim community.
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That these people groups are,
I don't want to say difficult,
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but your texture has to
be different, and the way you
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approach them has to be
different. Is that not so?
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Well, you know the Apostolic
Church, of course, was Jewish.
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And there was not, even though
it was either a Jewish person
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who accepts Christ as
the Messiah, or they do not;
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one or the other. Later on
the Gospel goes to the Gentiles.
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And then the Gentiles, in a
very, well, within a hundred
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years, there were probably
a thousand Gentile believers
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for every one Jewish believer.
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Because it really
started to grow in that group.
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But there also began to
present some problems when this
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happened, so that it made
a separation considerably,
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between the Jewish mind and
the Gentile mind, so that people
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began to... The Jews
were sort of pushed back.
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That's really where more of
the replacement theology came in
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is along about
that particular time.
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And misquoting some
of the things that Paul
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said, and so forth.
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So then you see this
separation between the two,
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which didn't
exist in the original.
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It was the Apostolic
Church were Jewish people...
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You know, sometimes we hear,
Well, the Jews rejected Jesus.
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They really did not.
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The early Christian's were Jews.
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The Disciples were Jews.
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The seventy were Jews.
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The people that the 3,000
that were baptized at Pentecost
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were Jews, and they accepted.
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The nation, the leadership, no.
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Some did, but as
a unit they did not.
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But the honest
at heart accepted.
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And our very
basic beginning is a
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Jewdayo-Christian beginning.
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It's where it all started.
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And I believe that
Seventh-day Adventists...
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In fact a very fine young man
who I'm very close to accepted
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Jesus Christ and he
said, I am complete now.
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Because of the belief...
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You see, he had studied other
Protestant beliefs, and because
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they rejected the Sabbath,
they rejected so many things,
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he said, I could not find
the thing I was looking for.
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But when I found the Seventh-day
Adventist message, then he said,
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I saw this is the
Apostolic religion.
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This is the Jewish
religion, in a sense,
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with Christ at the very center.
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And so this, I believe, is the
message we need to be presenting
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to the Jewish people is
that this is the fulfillment.
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This is IT! It's almost
like a Messianic Jew in a sense,
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but even though
that's not exactly the truth.
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You know, what you mentioned,
Jim, if we go back for the first
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hundred years, or the first
century, I should say, up until
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the change into the
second century Jews out numbered
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Gentiles in the church. Right.
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It started in the second century
where at the first time that
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the Gentiles out numbered.
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They brought things in.
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There were three things
that happened that set the stage
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for the fallacies that Jeff was
talking about a few moments ago,
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and the series about
replacement theology,
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about dispensations, etc.
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And there were three
things that brought it in,
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that worked together.
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We have some people they
look at, and we as Seventh-day
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Adventists look at
the change of the Sabbath,
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and we have stood
very strong there.
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There are two other things
that help to facilitate that.
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And that facilitation happened
with the Gentiles bringing in
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paganistic ideas,
and enforcing them,
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that led us into the dark ages.
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And those other two
things are replacement theology,
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and separation
between clergy and laity.
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And because the clergy gained
all the power in that hierarchy,
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then they could
change the Sabbath.
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Because the Jews had
been replaced, they could take
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and change the day.
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This is an over
simplification, but this is
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basically what happened.
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And we have to understand
those three together to totally
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undo what was done
there, starting in the second
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and in the third century, and
which brings about these false
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theologies that comes
into Christianity that
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Jeff and Sasha have addressed.
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That's interesting, and actually
in the DNA of our church
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there is a
three angels' message.
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And we often focus on worship
when we talk about three angels'
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message, which is the
message of the first angel.
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But there is a
message of the second angel,
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which is the Babylon.
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And actually this
confusion, this mixing up,
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started in the second century.
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That's what actually led
to anti-Jewish sentiments
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within the Christianity.
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And historian, you mentioned
Jim, Judea Christianity.
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That's the first term.
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You know, it's now, people
often say, first Apostolic
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Church, but in the academic
historical literature there is a
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term used, Judea Christian.
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So Judea Christians began to
die down in the middle of the
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second century under the
pressure from mainly Gnostics.
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Gnostics are Greek
people who came to Christianity.
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But what happened to
them, they did not change
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their way of thinking.
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They remained the Greek, they
remained very philosophical,
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they remained, they began to
interpret Bible allegorically,
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and that was totally, totally
against the Jewish mindset,
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and against the
spirit of the Bible.
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And eventually we have such a
church father of such origin who
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ridicules the Sabbath.
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And, of course, we have a very
political persecution, you know.
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The ancient Jewish sources such
as Midrash quote, for example,
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the comedy plays in
the Roman amphitheaters.
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You know, when the camel
comes out and the camel has a
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sackcloth on it, and
they ask, Why is the camel
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wearing a sackcloth?
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Oh, because the
camel belongs to a Jew,
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and today is the Sabbath, and
the Jew doesn't feed the camel.
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And everybody laughs.
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So there was this first
anti-Semitism in the mid second
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century, and it was
connected with the Sabbath.
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And so it was a ridiculing
of the Jews, and the rise of the
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allegorical interpretation that
stemmed from Greek philosophy
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that actually changed
the direction of the church
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into a wrong way, and that
led to the fact the Jews first
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stopped coming to the
church, and then they were
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pushed out of the church.
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That's, I think that's the key.
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Between the early years when the
church was predominately Jewish,
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and the Protestant Reformation,
which is a long period of time,
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you could not have had the
establishment of the medieval
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church without the demonization
of the Jewish community.
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You had to get that
Jewish influence out of there.
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You've got to get
the Sabbath out of there.
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You had to get all of the Jewish
influences, so the only way the
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church could do that
was to demonize of them.
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And you hit on
something last night, Sasha,
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that was very, very good.
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The church said,
Listen, to the Jews.
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Here's your options: 1. You've
got 5 days to get out of Dodge,
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2. Convert to
Catholicism, 3. You're dead.
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Now you pick the option, but
those are your three choices.
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And in doing so you effectively
remove the Jewish influence,
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which is your
centering influence.
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So once you take out of
the center, the pole where this
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thing sits on,
or the cornerstone,
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now you can go anywhere.
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So any theology that comes
in, any pagan theology comes in,
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you're ready to accept that
because you've lost your center,
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because you've taken the
Jews out of the equation,
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so all of the beauty
that they bring is now gone.
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You know, persecution was
coming from many sides for
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the Sabbath keeping believer.
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He was receiving, he was not
accepted by the Jews who had not
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accepted the Messiah.
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On top of that he's
persecuted by the pagan,
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and particularly when
the pagan becomes Christian
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and they begin to keep
the first day of the week.
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They are now
persecuting those who continue
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to keep the Sabbath.
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So they've gotten, they are
not accepted on either side.
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They're not accepted by the
Jews who have, the ones who have
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rejected the Messiah, and they
are not accepted by the pagan.
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So they are now forced
into Where are we going to go?
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At least if we go here and begin
to keep the first day of the
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week, we'll be
accepted somewhere.
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I mean at least the
persecution will end here.
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And so they make a natural...
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They're pressed into it.
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And they find justification
for it in their minds.
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They'd say, Well, you
know, we can be remembering the
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resurrection of Jesus.
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And for awhile they'd
try to keep both days.
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And then gradually the
new generation comes along,
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and they begin to only
keep the first day of the week.
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So we see these people just
really between a rock and a hard
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place as far as where they're
going to stand with truth.
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And it wasn't
overnight. No, oh no.
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It ended over
generations. Exactly.
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Each generation weakened. Right.
00:24:02.87\00:24:05.47
Like I said,
they were doing both.
00:24:05.51\00:24:06.84
And then which
one they enjoyed more,
00:24:06.88\00:24:08.24
and until over a long
period, span of time. Yes.
00:24:08.28\00:24:11.61
And, as you mentioned, C.
A., I would emphasize here
00:24:11.65\00:24:17.09
that Satan had a plan.
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That Satan had a plan to uproot
anything he bragged Jewish
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from the Biblical teaching.
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And when I look at our
fundamental beliefs, you know,
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when we talk about
pre-Advent Judgment, you know,
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when we talk about the cleansing
of the heavenly Sanctuary.
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If you try to understand them
based on the Bible, you know,
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this becomes a very significant
issue; how to prove it
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Biblically, you know.
00:24:54.79\00:24:56.12
Because if we want to
preach the three angels' message
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we can't take the Spirit of
Prophecy books and go out to the
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world and say, This is the
Spirit of Prophecy book; accept.
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The Bible is the foundation,
and Ellen White based
00:25:09.34\00:25:15.98
her teaching on it.
00:25:16.01\00:25:18.05
She didn't invent any
new teaching. It was based...
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She was a lesser light
to show to the bigger light.
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So we needed to go
to the bigger light.
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But for many Christians, and
I keep talking to many of them,
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even to many Messianic's
who went through the Evangelical
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training, and
this is so non-Jewish.
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For example, the scapegoat,
well, to be more precise,
00:25:41.74\00:25:48.78
in Hebrew the goat for
Azazel, because the scapegoat is
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kind of very English...
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I don't know, there's no
such in English word, scape,
00:25:55.45\00:25:59.69
except the part of this idiom.
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So you take this, all
Christians believe it's Jesus.
00:26:02.06\00:26:07.33
But, you know, Jewish people
all the time believed that
00:26:07.36\00:26:12.83
scapegoat represents the Satan.
00:26:12.87\00:26:15.77
And so we have this
Jewish teaching in it.
00:26:15.80\00:26:21.14
We're just sometimes
embarrassed to recognize it,
00:26:21.18\00:26:25.88
or the idea of the judgment.
00:26:25.91\00:26:30.69
On that scapegoat, in Israel
if someone wants to tell you to
00:26:30.72\00:26:33.86
go to hell, they tell
you to go to Azazel. Ha!
00:26:33.89\00:26:38.29
Yeah! You'll learn very quickly
that there's nothing that the
00:26:38.33\00:26:41.63
Bible doesn't talk
about the scapegoat.
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In fact, this is a wrong
translation, which was grafted
00:26:44.27\00:26:49.20
in because of the
Septuagint translation
00:26:49.24\00:26:52.34
of the Torah into Greek.
00:26:52.37\00:26:54.18
So to defend our doctrines
as a Seventh-day Adventist,
00:26:54.21\00:26:59.61
if we throw out Hebrewaic
thinking, we'll cut the branch
00:26:59.65\00:27:05.05
on which we're sitting.
00:27:05.09\00:27:06.42
Well, you know, following
that up Sasha, I have found my
00:27:06.45\00:27:12.39
understanding of the Scripture
since I've been involved in
00:27:12.43\00:27:18.33
Jewish ministry
has greatly deepened.
00:27:18.37\00:27:21.24
And our teachings as a
church have much deeper
00:27:21.27\00:27:27.94
roots than just
surface. And we cannot...
00:27:27.98\00:27:34.02
Why we have so many
denominations, and all of that,
00:27:34.05\00:27:37.39
is because we have varied.
00:27:37.42\00:27:39.72
You know you
mentioned the core, C. A.
00:27:39.75\00:27:42.26
When we fully understand
the full context of the Biblical
00:27:42.29\00:27:49.20
bases, and where it came
from, who were the writers,
00:27:49.23\00:27:54.00
and specifically,
who were they for?
00:27:54.04\00:27:56.30
You know, yes, the word of
God is for all of God's people,
00:27:56.34\00:28:00.14
but where did it come from?
00:28:00.18\00:28:02.28
When we forget where it
comes from, and the context,
00:28:02.31\00:28:06.51
where it comes from, then
we have all kinds of errors
00:28:06.55\00:28:09.72
in every direction.
00:28:09.75\00:28:11.09
And that's the confusion
of the second angel's message
00:28:11.12\00:28:14.66
of Revelation: Babylon,
the confused religious world.
00:28:14.69\00:28:18.76
Come out of it! And this is
where we need to take a stronger
00:28:18.79\00:28:24.47
look; not to be looking
for, What do Christians say?
00:28:24.50\00:28:28.60
What do Christian fathers say?
00:28:28.64\00:28:30.87
What do
denominations and scholars say?
00:28:30.91\00:28:33.54
And all of them have their
place, but what comes first?
00:28:33.58\00:28:38.48
What does the word of God
say? and where did it come from?
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and on what basis?
00:28:41.38\00:28:43.22
And let's not
forget those roots.
00:28:43.25\00:28:45.75
We forget the roots, and
then all the rest of the tree
00:28:45.79\00:28:50.09
is contaminated.
Precisely, precisely.
00:28:50.13\00:28:51.93
And if I could just then...
00:28:51.96\00:28:53.29
Now where is
that taking us today?
00:28:53.33\00:28:54.66
What is the outcome of this,
from 2,000 years ago really,
00:28:54.70\00:28:58.90
you know, first, second century?
00:28:58.93\00:29:00.84
We're living it now.
00:29:00.87\00:29:02.57
The persecutions that are
still happening now are the
00:29:02.60\00:29:05.14
anti-Semitism that
is still happening now.
00:29:05.17\00:29:07.48
I mean the
persecution to the Holocaust.
00:29:07.51\00:29:09.51
So a lot of those roots
were right from this teaching:
00:29:09.54\00:29:12.58
replacement theology, ah Luther.
00:29:12.61\00:29:15.38
Luther said
some horrible things.
00:29:15.42\00:29:17.05
He wrote some pamphlets that
we should take the Jewish books
00:29:17.09\00:29:20.22
and burn them; that we
should take the Jewish people
00:29:20.26\00:29:22.62
and gather them together.
00:29:22.66\00:29:24.23
We should put them into forced
labor, and we should kill them.
00:29:24.26\00:29:27.73
And step by step it's
exactly what the Nazi's did.
00:29:27.76\00:29:30.97
Following now, Luther wrote
a lot of greats things, too,
00:29:31.00\00:29:33.70
and God used him in
a lot of great ways.
00:29:33.74\00:29:35.34
I think he had maybe too much
beer, or got a little senile
00:29:35.37\00:29:38.17
there at the end, and he wrote
some horrible, horrible things.
00:29:38.21\00:29:41.11
He had a bad day I guess.
00:29:41.14\00:29:42.48
A bad day, yeah! Yeah!
00:29:42.51\00:29:43.85
And it was used,
but it came from this.
00:29:43.88\00:29:46.48
And initially
Luther was actually
00:29:46.51\00:29:48.05
very favorable to the Jews.
00:29:48.08\00:29:49.42
But when they didn't meet his
prophetic desire for what he was
00:29:49.45\00:29:54.19
wanting them to do,
you know, convert enmass,
00:29:54.22\00:29:55.96
he then turned on them. Yeah.
00:29:55.99\00:29:58.16
And so we see today
a lot of anti-Semitism,
00:29:58.19\00:30:00.70
both within
Christianity; there's boycotts,
00:30:00.73\00:30:04.30
and divestments
going on by Christian
00:30:04.33\00:30:06.94
denominations against Israel.
00:30:06.97\00:30:08.87
The new anti-Semitism
is anti-Israelism. Yeah.
00:30:08.90\00:30:11.71
And a clear
example in the world, too.
00:30:11.74\00:30:15.84
Just this week a
horrible, horrible tragedy
00:30:15.88\00:30:19.11
took place in France.
00:30:19.15\00:30:20.48
This, this slaughtering.
00:30:20.52\00:30:22.15
This guy going
into this magazine
00:30:22.18\00:30:25.39
and killing tons of people.
00:30:25.42\00:30:27.36
It's been in the news.
00:30:27.39\00:30:28.72
And over and over again
they're talking about it.
00:30:28.76\00:30:30.09
And there's a great outcry
against it, and should be.
00:30:30.13\00:30:32.76
Well, just a few weeks prior to
this in Jerusalem another bunch
00:30:32.79\00:30:37.93
of guys went into a synagogue
and slaughtered, hacked off,
00:30:37.97\00:30:42.20
and hacked people praying.
00:30:42.24\00:30:44.54
Three American Rabbi's, and
a fourth Rabbi were slaughtered
00:30:44.57\00:30:49.64
there while they're
praying; blood over the books,
00:30:49.68\00:30:52.35
and over their prayer shawls.
00:30:52.38\00:30:53.72
And a Jewish police
officer was slaughtered in that.
00:30:53.75\00:30:57.29
It was in the
news for about a day.
00:30:57.32\00:30:59.09
And there were even
people who praised the
00:30:59.12\00:31:01.36
the Jordan Prime Minister.
00:31:01.39\00:31:04.03
Jordan has a peace
accord with Israel.
00:31:04.06\00:31:06.33
Of all nations, the Jordan Prime
Minister came up the next day
00:31:06.36\00:31:08.86
praising the terrorists.
00:31:08.90\00:31:10.23
Instead of there being a
world outcry against it, it was,
00:31:10.27\00:31:14.54
Well, it was the Jews.
00:31:14.57\00:31:15.90
And so the, you
know, Okay, let's...
00:31:15.94\00:31:17.27
That they should have
been killed instead of a world
00:31:17.31\00:31:18.64
out-cry against atrocity.
00:31:18.67\00:31:20.48
CNN on their broadcast it had...
00:31:20.51\00:31:25.61
They got it backwards.
00:31:27.42\00:31:28.75
They called it a mosque. Yeh.
00:31:28.78\00:31:30.29
A slaughter
happened at a Mosque.
00:31:30.32\00:31:32.39
And said the Jews
went into the mosque.
00:31:32.42\00:31:33.76
Yeah, and it wasn't a
mosque, it was a synagogue.
00:31:33.79\00:31:35.32
And in one line it
said, Four Israeli's killed,
00:31:35.36\00:31:38.63
and two Palestinians
killed, as if it was, you know,
00:31:38.66\00:31:40.86
some kind of
fight going on. Right.
00:31:40.90\00:31:42.30
You know, it didn't call it
like a terrorist type of thing.
00:31:42.33\00:31:44.83
And saw the President.
00:31:44.87\00:31:47.04
The President of the United
States said, I call upon both
00:31:47.07\00:31:50.21
sides to exercise restraint.
00:31:50.24\00:31:52.64
No one's calling for France
to exercise restraint right now.
00:31:52.67\00:31:55.71
Catch those terrorists and
bring them to justice. Yeah.
00:31:55.74\00:31:58.51
You know, so there's
this unequal standards when it
00:31:58.55\00:32:03.08
comes to Israel, and when
it comes to the Jewish people.
00:32:03.12\00:32:05.22
Well, there's no
question that that's true.
00:32:05.25\00:32:07.06
And we have a history
to prove that that's true.
00:32:07.09\00:32:09.72
What we are looking at
today though is how can we
00:32:09.76\00:32:14.36
reach these people?
00:32:14.40\00:32:15.73
And this has
been the goal of 3ABN.
00:32:15.76\00:32:18.13
We've made four trips there, and
the primary reason for that is
00:32:18.17\00:32:22.80
building a base
where we can reach out.
00:32:22.84\00:32:25.71
We have applied for a license
to be on cable in all of Israel.
00:32:25.74\00:32:32.65
Because being on cable in
Israel, which is unbelievably
00:32:32.68\00:32:37.45
expensive, is as expensive, and
we think somebody is trying to
00:32:37.49\00:32:42.16
price us out of it, but it's
as expensive as if we went on a
00:32:42.19\00:32:45.69
full satellite that would
be covering many, many nations.
00:32:45.73\00:32:49.76
So we are now, we've made
contact with the president of a
00:32:49.80\00:32:55.74
company to represent us there.
00:32:55.77\00:32:57.54
I've met with him, and we're
still praying, have a prayer go
00:32:57.57\00:33:02.38
that this could be.
00:33:02.41\00:33:03.75
Because we are told, and
you've sent me statements,
00:33:03.78\00:33:07.62
I've received statements from
you, Ralph, and I've found some
00:33:07.65\00:33:11.22
on my own in the Spirit
of Prophecy where we are told
00:33:11.25\00:33:14.82
that there's going to be as
many people, many Jewish people
00:33:14.86\00:33:20.23
converted in a day as
there were at Pentecost.
00:33:20.26\00:33:23.40
Now I read that last
night, in the beginning of our
00:33:23.43\00:33:26.94
session last night.
00:33:26.97\00:33:28.47
And that means as
many people in a day
00:33:28.50\00:33:32.84
as there were at Pentecost.
00:33:32.87\00:33:34.61
Jewish people. It's
not talking about at large.
00:33:34.64\00:33:38.91
We're already baptizing a
lot more than that worldwide,
00:33:38.95\00:33:43.95
but it means
specifically Jewish people.
00:33:43.99\00:33:47.06
How are they
going to be reached?
00:33:47.09\00:33:49.22
You see, we believe that through
media you're going to get
00:33:49.26\00:33:53.66
behind the closed door.
00:33:53.70\00:33:55.03
We find this over and over again
throughout the Middle East.
00:33:55.06\00:33:58.63
People who are Muslim, people
who are Jews, people who have no
00:33:58.67\00:34:03.71
religion
whatsoever, Arab Christians,
00:34:03.74\00:34:06.78
they are coming and finding
the Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:34:06.81\00:34:12.28
from watching 3ABN.
00:34:12.31\00:34:14.02
And it's in English right now.
00:34:14.05\00:34:15.98
Now when we go, if we go into
Israel we're hoping it'll be in
00:34:16.02\00:34:21.06
English, but we want Hebrew
byline down below, so that those
00:34:21.09\00:34:28.16
who don't
understand English can read it.
00:34:28.20\00:34:30.97
We had an individual,
a good friend of mine,
00:34:31.00\00:34:34.87
was visiting with one
of the leading Protestants
00:34:34.90\00:34:38.31
in the United States.
00:34:38.34\00:34:39.67
A man that has been
strongly involved with the
00:34:39.71\00:34:41.84
Billy Graham Association,
and setting up their crusades.
00:34:41.88\00:34:44.91
And he said to him, he said to
my friend, We believe that the
00:34:44.95\00:34:51.52
Seventh-day
Adventists are the ones to take
00:34:51.55\00:34:55.32
the Messiah to the Jews.
00:34:55.36\00:34:57.49
He said, Let me tell
you why I believe that.
00:34:57.53\00:34:59.69
He said, I am a Sunday
keeping, pork eating Baptist.
00:34:59.73\00:35:03.90
He said, You are a Sabbath
keeping, Leviticus following
00:35:03.93\00:35:09.70
Seventh-day Adventist.
00:35:09.74\00:35:11.21
Who has got a better opportunity
to reach the Jewish mind
00:35:11.24\00:35:17.08
than a Seventh-day Adventist?
00:35:17.11\00:35:18.65
He said, I'm not the
only one that believes this.
00:35:18.68\00:35:20.52
We have talked about this
in wide circles that this is
00:35:20.55\00:35:25.32
something the
Seventh-day Adventist's can do
00:35:25.35\00:35:27.82
better than we can do.
00:35:27.86\00:35:29.19
You know, that, I believe, is
one of the things God has called
00:35:29.22\00:35:33.29
us, with the three angels'
message is to reach out to the
00:35:33.33\00:35:37.67
Jewish people; not
just a few here and there,
00:35:37.70\00:35:40.54
but to see great things happen.
00:35:40.57\00:35:43.07
And again, I'm talking for 3ABN,
because we are one of the ways
00:35:43.10\00:35:48.98
to get behind
those closed doors.
00:35:49.01\00:35:51.31
See we get letters all the time,
from people all over the world,
00:35:51.35\00:35:56.38
that believe everything
Seventh-day Adventists believe.
00:35:56.42\00:35:59.45
There's just no Seventh-day
Adventist church near them.
00:35:59.49\00:36:01.89
And they will send
support, a financial support.
00:36:01.92\00:36:07.00
I had a man tell
me that recently.
00:36:07.03\00:36:09.90
He said, There is not a
Seventh-day Adventist church
00:36:09.93\00:36:12.63
within sixty
miles of where I live.
00:36:12.67\00:36:15.00
He says, I'm
nearly seventy years old.
00:36:15.04\00:36:17.97
I was Christened in
the church down the street.
00:36:18.01\00:36:22.14
I will probably be buried
in the church down the street.
00:36:22.18\00:36:25.01
But I believe everything that
Seventh-day Adventists teach.
00:36:25.05\00:36:28.82
The people in my church know it.
00:36:28.85\00:36:31.32
And he said, They know
that I keep the Sabbath.
00:36:31.35\00:36:34.19
They know, and he
went down the line.
00:36:34.22\00:36:36.86
He said, I guess you could
call me a closet Adventist,
00:36:36.89\00:36:40.10
but I believe the message.
00:36:40.13\00:36:42.76
Folks, there are millions
around the world that have been
00:36:42.80\00:36:47.60
watching the television,
listening to the radio,
00:36:47.64\00:36:50.91
and that believe this message.
00:36:50.94\00:36:53.14
One of these days
they're going to come out.
00:36:53.17\00:36:56.14
And I believe this is especially
true with the Jewish people.
00:36:56.18\00:36:59.38
Jesus said, You will not
see me anymore until you say,
00:36:59.41\00:37:02.68
Blessed is He who comes in
the name of the Lord. Yeah.
00:37:02.72\00:37:05.12
He didn't say, You
won't see Me anymore;
00:37:05.15\00:37:06.49
I'm done with you guys.
00:37:06.52\00:37:07.86
I'm cleaning My hands.
00:37:07.89\00:37:09.22
But there will be a coming back.
00:37:09.26\00:37:11.59
Until the time of the Gentiles
is fulfilled, right? Yeah.
00:37:11.63\00:37:15.40
And then it will come
back to the Jewish people.
00:37:15.43\00:37:17.03
And I believe the time of the
Gentiles; going to the fullness
00:37:17.07\00:37:19.73
of the Gentiles; going
to the world, like you say.
00:37:19.77\00:37:21.60
It's being preached around the
world through personal people,
00:37:21.64\00:37:24.84
and through satellite,
and through television,
00:37:24.87\00:37:26.84
and in various means.
00:37:26.88\00:37:28.21
The gospel is
going to the world.
00:37:28.24\00:37:29.58
And so now it needs to
come back to the Jewish people.
00:37:29.61\00:37:32.18
Now we don't have the
same view of this that
00:37:32.21\00:37:35.85
the evangelicals have.
00:37:35.88\00:37:37.22
What is their view?
00:37:37.25\00:37:38.92
Well, the evangelical view that
all the Jewish people have to go
00:37:38.95\00:37:43.02
to Israel, and come to Israel in
order for the Messiah to come.
00:37:43.06\00:37:46.33
Actually they're habod kinds
of things: that all the Jewish
00:37:46.36\00:37:48.60
people have to keep at
least the Sabbath together,
00:37:48.63\00:37:51.10
or pray certain
prayers together,
00:37:51.13\00:37:52.73
and then the Micaiah will come;
00:37:52.77\00:37:55.07
the Messiah will come.
00:37:55.10\00:37:56.44
But every opportunity
has to go to all the world.
00:37:56.47\00:38:00.14
And people will come in.
00:38:00.18\00:38:01.64
People will be saved.
00:38:01.68\00:38:03.01
So what we believe is that
they are grated onto the branch.
00:38:03.04\00:38:06.41
Together;
everyone together. Right.
00:38:06.45\00:38:08.48
Not two separate houses, not
two separate trees; one house.
00:38:08.52\00:38:11.19
The wall of separation that was
built up in the second century,
00:38:11.22\00:38:14.09
broken down, united together.
00:38:14.12\00:38:16.46
And so they must come.
00:38:16.49\00:38:17.83
We've got several groups.
00:38:17.86\00:38:19.39
We've got first
those who believe in the
00:38:19.43\00:38:22.76
three angels' message.
00:38:22.80\00:38:24.17
We have people that
don't believe in the
00:38:24.20\00:38:26.20
three angel's message that
are of all kinds of backgrounds,
00:38:26.23\00:38:30.41
and then we have the Jewish
people who don't believe in
00:38:30.44\00:38:33.78
the three angels' message.
00:38:33.81\00:38:35.14
But before the end they
are going to all, not all,
00:38:35.18\00:38:39.51
but from each of these groups,
the faithful will come to Jesus.
00:38:39.55\00:38:47.09
Is that right? Is
that what we believe? Amen.
00:38:47.12\00:38:49.32
Alright. And one of
the important things,
00:38:49.36\00:38:51.79
and Jeff has
mentioned it, about Luther.
00:38:51.83\00:38:56.00
One of the things, we
cannot repeat the mistake
00:38:56.03\00:38:59.97
which was done,
and it's impatience.
00:39:00.00\00:39:02.90
You see, in the very beginning,
if you look, Luther studied
00:39:02.94\00:39:08.48
Hebrew with Rabbi's.
00:39:08.51\00:39:10.31
This is how we have
the Bible; the first
00:39:10.35\00:39:13.52
translation of the Bible.
00:39:13.55\00:39:15.02
You know, Christianity...
00:39:15.05\00:39:17.35
If it wasn't for Jews who
preserved the Bible text...
00:39:17.39\00:39:21.92
In fact, when you look at the
years, the first Hebrew printed
00:39:21.96\00:39:26.29
Bible was done
exactly sometime in 1525.
00:39:26.33\00:39:31.00
That's exactly when Luther was
working on the translation of
00:39:31.03\00:39:35.47
the Bible in German.
00:39:35.50\00:39:36.84
So, but then he
thought, Okay, I'm going to
00:39:36.87\00:39:39.97
convert them right away.
00:39:40.01\00:39:41.34
And this is
where the problem is.
00:39:41.38\00:39:43.51
We expect quick results, okay?
00:39:43.55\00:39:46.61
Kind of a get rich quick scheme.
00:39:46.65\00:39:49.35
It's not going to work.
00:39:49.38\00:39:51.05
In my work I know it
takes sometimes a year,
00:39:51.09\00:39:56.52
it takes sometimes a couple
years, three years, four years,
00:39:56.56\00:40:00.86
for the Holy Spirit to work on
the heart of the people so that
00:40:00.90\00:40:05.57
the things we
believe would sink in.
00:40:05.60\00:40:10.01
And so it was interesting
in the history of the Lutheran
00:40:10.04\00:40:13.68
church; back in 1876 a group
of Rabbi's met with Lutheran
00:40:13.71\00:40:21.02
Bishops in Germany, and
asked them to accept them into
00:40:21.05\00:40:27.46
the Lutheran church.
00:40:27.49\00:40:28.82
It was reformed Rabbi's.
00:40:28.86\00:40:30.29
That's what Luther
wanted what, 300 years before.
00:40:30.33\00:40:35.33
And you know what the
Lutheran churches said?
00:40:35.36\00:40:37.73
They said no. So we
cannot make this mistake today.
00:40:37.77\00:40:44.74
You know, we cannot say...
00:40:44.77\00:40:46.68
This is the worst thing
I see among many people,
00:40:46.71\00:40:50.81
many sincere
Christians, and Adventists,
00:40:50.85\00:40:53.52
or Jews do not accept.
00:40:53.55\00:40:56.35
You know, that's what is
often the biggest hurdle.
00:40:56.38\00:41:01.12
People say, you
know, Why should we preach?
00:41:01.16\00:41:03.99
They won't accept. Let us not
repeat what happened in history.
00:41:04.03\00:41:09.46
You know, we find this though
with people of all beliefs.
00:41:09.50\00:41:14.07
I was in Georgia at a church
not long ago, and a man came up
00:41:14.10\00:41:17.41
to me and he said, I
watched 3ABN for five years.
00:41:17.44\00:41:21.24
He sat at a notebook.
00:41:21.28\00:41:22.61
He said, I wrote down
every text that Kenneth Cox,
00:41:22.64\00:41:26.61
and he went down the
line: Doug Batchelor,
00:41:26.65\00:41:29.75
and then Lyle Albrecht.
00:41:29.78\00:41:32.59
And he named them all.
00:41:32.62\00:41:34.32
He said, I wrote down every text
that they gave, and looked them
00:41:34.36\00:41:38.63
up to prove them wrong.
00:41:38.66\00:41:40.00
He said, I did
this for five years.
00:41:40.03\00:41:42.36
And finally, he said, I told my
wife, I can't prove them wrong.
00:41:42.40\00:41:46.74
We've got to join them.
00:41:46.77\00:41:48.10
And he said, I walked into the
Seventh-day Adventist church,
00:41:48.14\00:41:51.57
and I became a member.
00:41:51.61\00:41:52.94
It takes time,
sometimes, for people to be able
00:41:52.97\00:41:58.15
to make this decision.
00:41:58.18\00:41:59.51
Especially when there's
this 2,000 years of built up
00:41:59.55\00:42:02.02
division, and hurt,
and persecution, and fear.
00:42:02.05\00:42:07.72
And that's why the congregations
that we have that have helped
00:42:07.76\00:42:10.59
break down the prejudice,
and break down those fears,
00:42:10.63\00:42:12.86
making a comfortable setting
where they can come in and hear,
00:42:12.89\00:42:16.00
and hear the message in
a context and culture that
00:42:16.03\00:42:19.17
is acceptable to them.
00:42:19.20\00:42:20.54
Right. And prejudice, by
the way, is not just one sided.
00:42:20.57\00:42:24.31
No, right. You
find it on both sides.
00:42:24.34\00:42:26.74
But you've made a key statement.
00:42:26.78\00:42:29.54
Where they can come in to
a culture that is much like
00:42:29.58\00:42:33.72
theirs, and there
learn about Yeshua.
00:42:33.75\00:42:37.25
Which is why this initiative
of getting on cable in Israel
00:42:37.29\00:42:41.36
is such, to my mind, and
I know to yours also, Jim,
00:42:41.39\00:42:44.69
a high priority for 3ABN.
00:42:44.73\00:42:48.00
Think what would happen
if we could get the Gospel
00:42:48.03\00:42:51.17
in Israel on a 24/7 basis.
00:42:51.20\00:42:54.10
We know now that there are
people in Islamic countries
00:42:54.14\00:43:00.14
who are keeping the Sabbath,
and their lifeline is 3ABN.
00:43:00.18\00:43:03.75
That's right. In the
palaces of certain countries
00:43:03.78\00:43:07.68
3ABN is getting in there,
and Bibles are getting in there.
00:43:07.72\00:43:10.42
That can happen, and
will happen, I think,
00:43:10.45\00:43:13.52
when the Gospel gets in Israel.
00:43:13.56\00:43:15.56
This is the last frontier.
00:43:15.59\00:43:18.26
You've got, and I'm going
to get on my horse in second,
00:43:18.29\00:43:20.30
and I'll be off. I'm with you.
00:43:20.33\00:43:21.73
You've got an evangelical
mindset that says we've got to
00:43:21.76\00:43:24.70
rebuild the temple
on the temple mount.
00:43:24.73\00:43:26.60
You know that they're
hyper focused on that,
00:43:26.63\00:43:29.07
and if someone tried to tear
down the Dome of the Rock now,
00:43:29.10\00:43:33.34
and put something
there, you'd have World War 3.
00:43:33.38\00:43:35.54
They don't understand
that the action is not on the
00:43:35.58\00:43:39.31
Temple Mound, the action
is in the temple in heaven.
00:43:39.35\00:43:41.38
That's what Christ is doing now.
00:43:41.42\00:43:42.92
That's where the action is.
00:43:42.95\00:43:44.95
And we understand that because
we've got the sanctuary message,
00:43:44.99\00:43:47.99
sanctuary message, you see?
00:43:48.02\00:43:49.56
It is, when you
look at the stew,
00:43:49.59\00:43:51.86
that is systematic theology,
the stew that is doctrines,
00:43:51.89\00:43:55.56
the one pea that the
Adventist Church put in
00:43:55.60\00:43:58.57
that stew is sanctuary.
00:43:58.60\00:44:00.54
And yet it centers and gives us
an understanding of everything
00:44:00.57\00:44:05.21
that's going on from creation
till the time Christ comes back.
00:44:05.24\00:44:08.98
The sanctuary is so critical,
and I think if the Evangelical
00:44:09.01\00:44:12.58
world had the sanctuary,
they wouldn't be flying
00:44:12.61\00:44:16.69
off in all directions.
00:44:16.72\00:44:18.05
Because the sanctuary centers
you on the work of Christ;
00:44:18.09\00:44:20.59
what He has done,
what He is doing now,
00:44:20.62\00:44:22.86
and what He is soon to do.
00:44:22.89\00:44:24.26
In fact the Jewish people,
the Jewish leadership missed the
00:44:24.29\00:44:29.06
Messiah because they
didn't understand the sanctuary.
00:44:29.10\00:44:32.43
Had they truly understood,
they would have seen Him
00:44:32.47\00:44:36.74
as the Lamb of God.
00:44:36.77\00:44:38.11
And we've got to make sure that
we, as a church, whatever we do
00:44:38.14\00:44:43.95
that we don't miss the
Messiah because we have somehow
00:44:43.98\00:44:50.19
thrown out, or
disregarded, or ignored
00:44:50.22\00:44:53.49
the message of the sanctuary.
00:44:53.52\00:44:55.12
Because Christ is still
to be found in the sanctuary.
00:44:55.16\00:44:59.29
One of the things which you
touched, C. A., is on the focus
00:44:59.33\00:45:05.17
of Evangelicals on the temple.
00:45:05.20\00:45:08.77
And sometimes people
tend, because they do not accept
00:45:08.80\00:45:13.48
this, and this is correct
that this is not Biblical,
00:45:13.51\00:45:17.88
they tend to go
to other direction.
00:45:17.91\00:45:20.18
They become
extremely anti-Israel.
00:45:20.22\00:45:24.35
Israel has nothing to do.
00:45:24.39\00:45:26.62
The fact that you can look
at what happened in Israel.
00:45:26.65\00:45:31.96
Without Israel we wouldn't have
had the Dead Sea Scrolls today.
00:45:31.99\00:45:36.90
Without the Dead Sea Scrolls
our understanding of the Bible
00:45:36.93\00:45:43.77
would be much less in the sense
that for the entire nineteenth
00:45:43.81\00:45:48.18
century the German
liberal theology tore the Bible
00:45:48.21\00:45:52.21
apart left and right.
00:45:52.25\00:45:54.08
And the findings of the Dead Sea
Scrolls, and the archeological
00:45:54.12\00:45:58.85
discoveries that were made in
Israel, have proven them wrong.
00:45:58.89\00:46:03.99
So we can't throw Israel
out completely just because
00:46:04.03\00:46:09.66
the temple will not be rebuilt.
00:46:09.70\00:46:12.13
We have to learn to
differentiate because if we
00:46:12.17\00:46:16.40
become very anti-Israeli
then we're shooting ourselves
00:46:16.44\00:46:22.04
in the foot, because
Jews just will not come to us.
00:46:22.08\00:46:26.35
They will go to every
church possible, but not to us.
00:46:26.38\00:46:30.85
You know, Jim, you were
mentioning, and C. A. too,
00:46:30.89\00:46:37.19
about how you get
in through the media.
00:46:37.23\00:46:42.40
We have something
that I think last year we
00:46:42.43\00:46:46.77
talked about it coming.
00:46:46.80\00:46:48.24
Jeff, why don't you tell us
more about Shalom Adventure,
00:46:48.27\00:46:52.17
and how this is getting through
the internet and reaching out
00:46:52.21\00:46:57.65
and reaching a
lot of those people.
00:46:57.68\00:47:00.68
Right. So we have the
congregations where they can
00:47:00.72\00:47:02.88
come to, but not everywhere.
00:47:02.92\00:47:04.25
And even then some
people aren't ready,
00:47:04.29\00:47:06.19
and won't feel
comfortable coming.
00:47:06.22\00:47:07.56
So like the
satellite, like television,
00:47:07.59\00:47:10.03
we have the internet, shalom
adventure.com, a web site.
00:47:10.06\00:47:15.70
It's a live website.
00:47:15.73\00:47:17.07
It's web magazine,
not just a web site.
00:47:17.10\00:47:19.03
Just not a billboard there.
00:47:19.07\00:47:20.54
It changes all of the time.
00:47:20.57\00:47:21.90
Every day there's
new articles on there.
00:47:21.94\00:47:25.11
Every time you're refreshed
there's new things to see,
00:47:25.14\00:47:28.01
and different
stuff that comes up.
00:47:28.04\00:47:29.38
So it's constantly changing.
00:47:29.41\00:47:30.75
There's always
stuff to see there.
00:47:30.78\00:47:32.11
The holidays come up and the
holy days, and there's articles,
00:47:32.15\00:47:35.75
and videos, and Hebrew lessons.
00:47:35.78\00:47:37.92
People can learn to read
Hebrew in just a few weeks.
00:47:37.95\00:47:41.49
Just ten minutes and
day; in three weeks they'll
00:47:41.52\00:47:43.32
learn to read Hebrew.
00:47:43.36\00:47:44.69
Sasha is going to be
doing a Part 2 on the Hebrew,
00:47:44.73\00:47:47.23
and we'll have more in-depth
Hebrew lessons on there.
00:47:47.26\00:47:49.96
Is that a guarantee on
that? ten minutes a day?
00:47:50.00\00:47:52.83
I'll hold him to it! Ha!
00:47:52.87\00:47:54.24
Well, at least right now, for
those who don't want to study
00:47:54.27\00:48:01.78
Hebrew, we have a very special
radio program, which we have
00:48:01.81\00:48:07.72
started in the Portland area.
00:48:07.75\00:48:09.78
It's called, Torah For Today.
00:48:09.82\00:48:12.15
Alright. Okay. Well, by the
way, I took first year Greek
00:48:12.19\00:48:16.56
three times, so I am
pretty much an expert.
00:48:16.59\00:48:19.59
You know Greek well, huh?
00:48:19.63\00:48:20.96
You just have to start, Jim.
00:48:21.00\00:48:22.33
You just have to
start with Hebrew.
00:48:22.36\00:48:23.70
Otherwise, you know, it
just proves that you don't
00:48:23.73\00:48:26.70
have Greek thinking.
00:48:26.74\00:48:28.07
So praise the Lord!
00:48:28.10\00:48:29.44
I know first year Greek better
than anyone that I know of.
00:48:29.47\00:48:32.24
And with that you talk about
Israel, the shalomadventure. com
00:48:32.27\00:48:37.71
website; some of the
people have subscribed to it,
00:48:37.75\00:48:40.38
a lot of people
have subscribed to it.
00:48:40.42\00:48:41.82
It's from Israel. Even
though it's in English.
00:48:41.85\00:48:43.72
We don't have
any of the, you know,
00:48:43.75\00:48:45.09
the texts are all in Hebrew.
00:48:45.12\00:48:46.45
So it's in English, so
people are reading it in Israel.
00:48:46.49\00:48:48.82
And so the programming;
it will be in English.
00:48:48.86\00:48:51.06
It will still be
read and watched by
00:48:51.09\00:48:53.93
a lot of people there.
00:48:53.96\00:48:55.30
And if you have any Jewish
friends, one of the things that
00:48:55.33\00:48:58.90
you can do is refer
them to the Shalom Adventure.
00:48:58.93\00:49:04.17
And because, you know, behind
the computer a lot of people
00:49:04.21\00:49:09.74
will look at things that they
wouldn't, you know, speaking,
00:49:09.78\00:49:14.42
well bad things, too, but the
good things that they can learn
00:49:14.45\00:49:19.95
about the Messiah.
00:49:19.99\00:49:21.32
They can learn about so
much that they wouldn't go to a
00:49:21.36\00:49:23.79
church. No, that's right.
00:49:23.83\00:49:25.16
They wouldn't even question
it in their surroundings,
00:49:25.19\00:49:28.23
because it's just like
some of the Muslim's that
00:49:28.26\00:49:30.70
you were talking about.
00:49:30.73\00:49:32.07
But with a computer they will
look in the privacy of their
00:49:32.10\00:49:35.34
own home, their own
bedroom, their own computer.
00:49:35.37\00:49:39.27
And look, and the Holy Spirit
can convict beyond what any
00:49:39.31\00:49:46.35
of the, Jeff and his
congregation, or Sasha,
00:49:46.38\00:49:52.29
or anyone else can say to them.
00:49:52.32\00:49:55.72
They see in private, and sooner
or later, and I believe I have
00:49:55.76\00:50:01.93
ran across in Israel, and in
other places closet believers.
00:50:01.96\00:50:08.44
Yes. And this is a way
we can minister to them,
00:50:08.47\00:50:13.98
and they can work to
become believers. Right.
00:50:14.01\00:50:19.48
And this is one of
the outreaches of the
00:50:19.51\00:50:22.75
North American Division.
00:50:22.78\00:50:24.49
And we really appreciate
Jeff and Barbara and what
00:50:24.52\00:50:27.29
they're doing in that area.
00:50:27.32\00:50:28.82
Wow! Well, it's fantastic.
00:50:28.86\00:50:30.76
So you want to give that website
so that our viewers can...
00:50:30.79\00:50:35.16
shalomadventure.com
00:50:35.20\00:50:37.30
Alright. Spell that Jeff,
just for those who may not
00:50:37.33\00:50:39.87
know how to spell it.
00:50:39.90\00:50:41.24
Well, I need
some help with that.
00:50:41.27\00:50:42.60
Shalom? shalom
Adventure, adv...All one word?
00:50:42.64\00:50:47.28
All one word. Uh
huh, that's right.
00:50:47.31\00:50:48.64
venture.com shalomadventure.com
00:50:48.68\00:50:53.65
Alright. How'd you
do in spelling, Jeff?
00:50:53.68\00:50:55.98
I'm just teasing!
00:50:56.02\00:50:57.35
I'm horrible in spelling.
00:50:57.39\00:50:58.72
I don't play Scrabble. Ha!
00:50:58.75\00:51:00.09
You spell better in Hebrew.
00:51:00.12\00:51:01.46
I understand! Ha! Ha!
00:51:01.49\00:51:02.82
Hebrew is a lot easier to spell.
00:51:02.86\00:51:04.19
Like I knew in
Greek, yeah, right, alright.
00:51:04.23\00:51:05.73
You know, Jim, I think we
should encourage our viewing
00:51:05.76\00:51:08.93
audience, and
those here in house.
00:51:08.96\00:51:10.67
This Israel thing is something
that's close to our hearts.
00:51:10.70\00:51:14.34
Yeah, it really is.
00:51:14.37\00:51:15.70
Satan is challenging us.
00:51:15.74\00:51:17.77
The cost is, it's
incredible; it's daunting.
00:51:17.81\00:51:21.38
And yet we feel this
is an area that the Lord
00:51:21.41\00:51:23.95
wants us to move into.
00:51:23.98\00:51:25.31
And the return
from this investment is
00:51:25.35\00:51:27.95
going to be so strong.
00:51:27.98\00:51:29.32
I think the Lord is
going to do something great
00:51:29.35\00:51:30.69
in that part of the world.
00:51:30.72\00:51:32.05
Yeah. Look at what God did
through one Paul. Precisely!
00:51:32.09\00:51:34.59
Imagine reaching
a bunch of Paul's.
00:51:34.62\00:51:35.99
Turn the world upside
down by God's grace. Yes!
00:51:36.02\00:51:39.59
We'll close off the
work with His mighty power.
00:51:39.63\00:51:42.26
That's right. That's right.
00:51:42.30\00:51:44.23
Well, we're hoping
that this becomes a reality,
00:51:44.27\00:51:47.07
because we are
not playing with it.
00:51:47.10\00:51:49.60
We're doing our
best to make it work.
00:51:49.64\00:51:51.54
Uh, we're looking for...
00:51:51.57\00:51:54.38
It's going to cost
us $50,000.00 a month.
00:51:54.41\00:51:57.35
Now our total budget is
about 1.2 million a month.
00:51:57.38\00:52:01.98
And we have, as you
know, it's totally faith;
00:52:02.02\00:52:07.32
people giving $10, $50.
00:52:07.36\00:52:09.92
In the beginning when
Danny began the ministry,
00:52:09.96\00:52:13.63
he had some large givers.
00:52:13.66\00:52:15.56
Most of those have either passed
away, or retired, and no longer
00:52:15.60\00:52:20.97
have that kind
of income ability.
00:52:21.00\00:52:23.00
We have no really
large, consistent givers.
00:52:23.04\00:52:27.51
We have received
a nice gift or two.
00:52:27.54\00:52:30.28
But nothing like...
00:52:30.31\00:52:34.38
50 million dollars.
00:52:34.42\00:52:35.75
Folks, we've received in our
whole ministry a gift one time
00:52:35.78\00:52:40.82
of a million
dollars, another gift one time
00:52:40.86\00:52:43.36
of 2 million dollars.
00:52:43.39\00:52:44.73
That's in the
whole 30 years. Wow!
00:52:44.76\00:52:47.10
So please don't listen to this.
00:52:47.13\00:52:50.40
One of our good friends got that
rumor started, and I don't know
00:52:50.43\00:52:55.07
why that they did it.
00:52:55.10\00:52:57.11
They said, Well,
they don't need the money.
00:52:57.14\00:52:58.61
They have 50 million dollars.
00:52:58.64\00:53:00.51
I don't know where
they got that idea.
00:53:00.54\00:53:02.41
So there are a lot of
individuals who love 3ABN.
00:53:02.44\00:53:04.51
Well, giving
little bits that add up.
00:53:04.55\00:53:08.12
Yeah, it's the
$50, the $100, $25.
00:53:08.15\00:53:12.15
And I wrote to two ladies not
long ago, a lady and her sister,
00:53:12.19\00:53:17.03
they send $5
every month faithfully.
00:53:17.06\00:53:20.60
And they are, it's just
amazing what God has done.
00:53:20.63\00:53:27.37
That work, the work
of 3ABN is God's doing.
00:53:27.40\00:53:30.84
We know it, and we see it.
00:53:30.87\00:53:33.31
We're on 150 stations that the
Lord has given us here in this
00:53:33.34\00:53:37.45
country, and ten
satellites around the world.
00:53:37.48\00:53:41.28
We're on Dish Network, an
unbelievable number of cable
00:53:41.32\00:53:46.82
outlets, and
this is God's doing.
00:53:46.86\00:53:49.92
This is not our
doing, and we recognize it
00:53:49.96\00:53:53.29
without any question.
00:53:53.33\00:53:55.80
Well, Jim, what you were talking
about, what 3ABN is doing,
00:53:55.83\00:54:00.34
and it's by faith,
and it's by sacrifice,
00:54:00.37\00:54:06.21
what we need, we're told that,
and on Sabbath afternoon I'm
00:54:06.24\00:54:14.38
going to elaborate on
that, but that many of the Jews
00:54:14.42\00:54:20.76
will join us, and help us
to finish the work. Yes, yes!
00:54:20.79\00:54:25.86
You see, so many times we
want, we want a quick fix.
00:54:25.89\00:54:33.20
The Lord knows that we need
to grow in faith, and to do that
00:54:33.23\00:54:40.31
we have to face
some trials, struggles,
00:54:40.34\00:54:44.58
and where like manna, they only
got manna enough for one day.
00:54:44.61\00:54:51.05
They couldn't get
it for any other time.
00:54:51.09\00:54:53.05
You know, one of the things
that 3ABN is trying to do is to
00:54:53.09\00:54:58.29
promote the work
that you folks are doing.
00:54:58.33\00:55:00.96
Plus Back To Our Roots
with Sasha and Alex Schlussler
00:55:01.00\00:55:06.37
have faithfully done with other
guests that come on the program
00:55:06.40\00:55:10.11
with them. Rachel Hyman.
00:55:10.14\00:55:11.47
Yeah, that's right,
Rachel's with us sometimes.
00:55:11.51\00:55:14.78
And we're getting ready
to do another season of that.
00:55:14.81\00:55:18.38
That's another one of
the things that we're with.
00:55:18.41\00:55:20.42
Help us to know where we can
help you get this message out.
00:55:20.45\00:55:24.99
Because we believe, with all
of our hearts, that our Jewish
00:55:25.02\00:55:30.53
brothers need to
receive this message
00:55:30.56\00:55:33.80
just like everybody else,
and we want to give it to them.
00:55:33.83\00:55:37.67
That's part of the
unique thing with 3ABN.
00:55:37.70\00:55:39.07
Like you, you know,
promoted the website,
00:55:39.10\00:55:40.77
you mentioned to
have me spell it.
00:55:40.80\00:55:42.14
A lot of places say
come visit our website.
00:55:42.17\00:55:43.77
Come visit 3abn.com and
we'll tell you where to get in
00:55:43.81\00:55:47.11
contact, where you help
promote others and share it,
00:55:47.14\00:55:50.38
And God's blessed
the sharing back. Amen!
00:55:50.41\00:55:52.15
You simply cannot have an entire
people group that is being
00:55:52.18\00:55:54.85
neglected, particularly a people
group from whom Christianity
00:55:54.88\00:55:58.72
takes its life
force. It has to be.
00:55:58.75\00:56:02.42
We know that it's in the
will of God for this to happen.
00:56:02.46\00:56:04.59
And one of the reasons
we know is because it's
00:56:04.63\00:56:06.43
being opposed so much.
00:56:06.46\00:56:07.80
And sometimes you know who
your friends are by knowing
00:56:07.83\00:56:10.40
who your enemies are.
00:56:10.43\00:56:11.77
And if Satan is fighting this
hard, then he knows if we can
00:56:11.80\00:56:13.80
get in there God's
going to do something great.
00:56:13.84\00:56:16.07
Well, listen, we are coming down
to the last minute that we have.
00:56:16.10\00:56:20.38
Ralph, ten
seconds, twenty seconds,
00:56:20.41\00:56:23.85
tell us what's on your
heart, what your goals are
00:56:23.88\00:56:27.15
for the NAD Jewish Ministries.
00:56:27.18\00:56:29.95
To reach through three
ways: through Jewish Adventist
00:56:29.98\00:56:35.62
congregations, through
Jewish friendly churches,
00:56:35.66\00:56:40.60
and through like the internet,
and streaming into homes
00:56:40.63\00:56:47.14
where there are families that
can come to know their Messiah,
00:56:47.17\00:56:53.21
to reach the
Jews of North America.
00:56:53.24\00:56:55.91
Well, we just want to
thank Pastor Murrell Tull,
00:56:55.94\00:56:59.35
and this beautiful congregation
for allowing us to be here,
00:56:59.38\00:57:04.95
and to present this
series, and this congregation.
00:57:04.99\00:57:09.46
We want to thank these
gentlemen for being with us.
00:57:09.49\00:57:12.29
We hope that you will be praying
for God's message as it goes
00:57:12.33\00:57:17.07
around the world, and
particularly praying as we reach
00:57:17.10\00:57:21.40
out to the Jewish people.
00:57:21.44\00:57:23.77
Thank you for
your support of 3ABN,
00:57:23.81\00:57:26.31
and just keep on
keeping on with Jesus Christ
00:57:26.34\00:57:30.48
our Lord, our God.
00:57:30.51\00:57:32.65