Making Waves

Pergama - Tatyana

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Participants: Jim Ayer

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00:02 Exiled to the island of Patmose,
00:04 the apostle John received direct revelation from
00:07 Jesus Christ. In chapter two of the
00:10 book of revelation we find the council to
00:12 Pergamos. The church here in this area at
00:15 the time he wrote in verse 12,
00:18 an angel of the church in Pergamos right.
00:20 These things saith he that he has the two edge
00:22 sword, I know thy works that are dwellest
00:25 even where Satan seat is. This was an area of
00:29 worship of every kind of God. God's of sacrifice,
00:33 Zeus the God of all Gods,
00:36 the giants who battled against the Gods.
00:39 But yet, yet the church stayed faithful notice
00:42 these words. And thou hold is
00:45 fast my name and is not denied my faith.
00:49 Today the story of Tanya,
00:51 is a young lady who searched and searched
00:54 but when she found the faith of Jesus Christ
00:57 she too is holding fast.
01:00 Stay tuned for this exciting story.
01:49 Into the angel of the church of Pergamos right
01:51 these saying saith he which have the sharp
01:54 swords with two edges. I know thy works and
01:57 where thou dwellest even where the Satan seat
02:00 is and thou holdest fast my name,
02:02 and has not denied my faith, even in those days
02:07 wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr,
02:09 who was slaine among you, where Satan dwelleth.
02:13 But I have a few things against thee,
02:15 because thou hast there them that hold the
02:17 doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to
02:20 cast a stumblingblock before the children of
02:22 Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols,
02:25 and to commit fornication.
02:27 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine
02:30 of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
02:34 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly,
02:37 and will fight against them with the sword of
02:39 my mouth. He that hath an ear,
02:41 let him hear what the Spirit saith unto
02:43 the churches; To him that overcometh
02:46 will I give to eat of the hidden manna,
02:48 and will give him a white stone, and in the stone
02:52 a new name written, which no man knoweth
02:54 saving he that receiveth it.
03:00 Lilya how many years have you worked for the
03:02 studio in AWR? Fifteen years.
03:06 Fifteen years! You don't look that age,
03:09 you must have started as a little child.
03:12 Thank you, almost. You see AWR making
03:17 a real impact in the lives of many people there?
03:24 I visited my relatives Odessa and in the morning
03:28 I woke up at 8 a.m. to a loud sound of radio.
03:39 And I was happy to hear
03:41 that it was the voice of hope.
03:45 What does it feel like to you when you see people
03:48 who you lead through Bible studies and then they
03:51 are eventually baptized?
03:58 This is very joyful and I was very happy,
04:02 but when they write that they were baptized I
04:06 am not the only one that is happy.
04:11 We are happy altogether and we pray for this
04:15 person like the rest of our sisters.
04:22 We try and help one and another to get closer to
04:26 Christ, this bring joy.
04:30 Tell me about some of the other exciting stories?
04:38 I want to tell you a story about the girl
04:41 Raymant. Me and her were writing back and forth
04:47 and I sent her homework. Later I found out
04:51 she was a young lady and so I offered to talk
04:55 to her of the job personal.
04:59 She wrote in her letter that her grandmother was
05:03 from Orthodox Church. Her grandmother took her to
05:09 church showed her how to pray
05:12 and read the Bible with her.
05:16 Right when she started to read the Bible deeply
05:20 on her own, she found out that her wrote seemed
05:24 different from the wrote of Orthodox Church.
05:28 God said something different to her.
05:33 During her studies she learned more about the
05:36 church. I invite her to church in one of my
05:40 letters and she came to church.
05:43 She was then baptized.
05:49 She happened to come to the
05:51 same church and visit.
05:55 She walked by one day and said hello my name is
05:59 Tanya, the Tanya that wrote to you.
06:03 We talked about how her life changed and she
06:07 thanked God every day for listening to the radio.
06:14 Today, she is still my friend.
06:22 Almost forty five thousand people live in
06:24 Bergamo Turkey, a city of 50 miles
06:27 North of Izmir. This modern day
06:30 city is built over the ancient remains of the
06:32 Roman city. To the North East is
06:34 the ancient Greek Acropolis and the
06:36 biblical city of the Pergamos,
06:38 one of the seven churches of the
06:40 revelation. Looking up from the valley where the
06:44 common people lived worked and farmed,
06:46 Pergamos was a grand site.
06:55 I am on the very top of the mountain here in
06:57 Pergamos. The ancient city was walled all around
07:00 this. This center contained all the
07:01 government functions, all the temples,
07:03 all the market place, because as long as
07:06 they protected this area from invaders then the
07:08 city was saved. It didn't matter about
07:10 the populations below. And during the time
07:13 of John writing to the people here from the
07:16 Book of Revelation there was over a hundred
07:18 and fifty thousand down in the valley.
07:26 The theatre was a lot smaller than the
07:28 population of the area at that time.
07:30 It held about ten thousand people;
07:32 eighty rows of seats, all over the upper seats
07:35 were formed of andesite but the lower seats those
07:39 were constructed of marble.
07:40 Those were for the high officials of the area.
07:44 Below me is the temple of Dionysus.
07:47 Dionysus was the God of fun,
07:49 frivolity of wine and party and happiness.
07:52 It seemed like they were associated many times
07:54 with the theatre such as this.
07:57 An interesting thing also this particular area
07:59 was a movable stage. It's one of the only
08:02 movable stages around in that time,
08:06 I am not told why there was a movable stage
08:08 but it seemed like there was.
08:12 The view from here was spectacular;
08:14 I don't know how they can keep their eyes
08:17 focused upon the actors with
08:18 such an exquisite view.
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09:30 Pergamos like most Hellenistic cities of its
09:32 time was filled with temples to the Gods,
09:35 a great library, and sophisticated
09:38 water delivery system.
09:49 I am standing in the Library of Pergamum.
09:51 I am told it's the second largest in the
09:53 world only to Alexandria in Egypt.
09:56 I am actually on one of the walls right here.
09:59 Another wall over here but what I want to call
10:00 your attention to is the space in between.
10:03 One wall space another wall,
10:05 they created this to cut off all the humidity to
10:08 protect the 200,000 scrolls and parchments
10:11 in the library. But in 41 AD,
10:14 Mark Anthony decided to give a gift to
10:16 Cleopatra so he took all of these and
10:18 gave it to her, what a gift!
10:31 The temple of Trajan! He was the emperor
10:33 of Rome during the time of the
10:35 Book of Revelation. Although,
10:36 he was never here he was far off in Rome,
10:39 but it certainly is a beautiful place,
10:41 a beautiful location, tremendous columns,
10:44 a gorgeous area for sure.
10:56 During the rule and the time of Emperor Trajan,
10:58 he extended his territory and his power
11:01 to control. One of the favorite things with the
11:04 emperors and the rulers were to provide places of
11:07 sanctuary for certain crimes and criminals,
11:09 so a criminal could start out down there commit a
11:12 crime and if he could get up here he would find
11:15 sanctuary. Quite an interesting situation,
11:19 we don't know exactly which ones were offered
11:21 the sanctuary although I am
11:23 certain that every criminal wanted it.
11:38 Tatyana, thank you for meeting us here at
11:40 your church today, I understand that
11:41 you had to take off work to do this?
11:46 What type of work do you do?
11:48 I am a nanny. I baby sit a small baby.
11:51 Have you always been a nanny or have you had
11:53 another profession? This was my only job.
11:59 Can you tell me a little
12:00 bit about your childhood?
12:02 I was born Yurigi Thormer in a village.
12:07 I was born in orthodox family.
12:09 I always believed in Christ.
12:11 I attended church with my grandmother.
12:14 Do you have any brothers and sisters?
12:16 Yes, I have an older brother.
12:20 Did he go the Orthodox Church also?
12:25 I believe he did as well. Our grandmother wanted
12:29 us to be used to it. She wanted us to be
12:32 regular attendees. We knew that there was God.
12:35 We celebrated different events and she prayed
12:39 before eating. She showed us how to pray.
12:45 So pretty much every week you went to church?
12:48 No, not every Sunday but once in a while
12:51 she took us. And as a young lady did those
12:55 services have real meaning for you?
13:03 It was interesting. I didn't understand much,
13:06 but I prayed my own way listening to music and it
13:10 made me feel good after church.
13:17 It brought me happiness.
13:23 I love attending the church.
13:29 It seems to me that it was very attractive
13:31 for you. You liked everything about it,
13:36 but now here we are in a setting with chairs with
13:39 no icons, no gold, what happened?
13:47 This was a very interesting morning.
13:49 I was getting ready to go church when I heard a
13:52 radio station. I heard it mentioned whoever wants
13:58 to learn more about the Bible write us.
14:04 I owned a Bible and I really wanted to
14:06 know it more. I really wanted to know more about
14:11 that Old Testament. Our church didn't talk
14:14 much about it. The lessons came I studied
14:19 them and they became closer with the God.
14:23 You received that first Bible study what then?
14:31 I was very happy. They sent me a book
14:33 about Christ. This brought a lot of
14:36 happiness in my life.
14:41 I continued to write to them and slowly I was
14:44 completing the discourses.
14:50 Because of listening to that discourses,
14:53 I have found out to the Seventh day is Saturday
14:57 I became very interested and began to write them
15:00 why Saturday? What's the difference and they
15:04 slowly were sending me the information.
15:07 Slowly I was starting to understand God more.
15:11 Did you have a Bible instructor that gonna work
15:13 you through the lessons and helped you?
15:20 I knew there was someone very serious
15:23 on the other side. Someone who cares
15:26 and wanted to explain everything to me,
15:29 they really wanted me to know more.
15:32 They were questions and if I didn't understand
15:35 them they would send me more information
15:37 about it, so I would understand the topic.
15:41 Did you let your mother know and your grandmother
15:43 know that you were doing this?
15:47 I don't remember, they knew I sent letters.
15:58 They knew about it.
15:59 There was nothing wrong with it.
16:05 I shared information with them at that time.
16:11 So they were okay with your searching and
16:12 wondering about God?
16:16 Yes they liked knowing that I was close with God.
16:20 They enjoined the information that I
16:23 passed down to them. They would even ask me to
16:26 ask my instructor questions.
16:28 What was your instructor's name?
16:31 During that time I didn't really
16:32 paid much attention to that.
16:41 This city built on the mountain top is known for
16:43 the altar of Zeus, often referred to as the
16:46 Throne of Satan where the people worshipped and
16:49 offered sacrifices to demons.
16:52 This in Percy Walter was excavated in 1878 and
16:56 eventually moved to Berlin.
16:59 Hitler was so impressed that in 1934 he ordered
17:02 the construction of the tribune at
17:04 Zeppelin field. The architect used the
17:07 altar as the model.
17:14 Antipas, the faithful martyr was the leader of
17:16 the small Christian community in Pergamos,
17:18 a faithful servant of the creator and savior,
17:22 two very different religions in the same
17:24 place and by definition at great odds with
17:27 each other. One story says that the
17:30 demons complained to the people saying that there
17:32 sacrifices would not be accepted because of the
17:35 Antipas and his power to cast them out.
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18:42 We are right on the edge of the precipice here,
18:43 but what I wanted you to see down on the
18:45 distance, is the Roman aqueduct system.
18:48 It was designed to bring the water 30 miles.
18:51 Now the problem is we are way up the hill.
18:54 How did they get it up here?
18:56 They apparently designed a wooden turban system
18:59 that horses would pull and drive the water on and
19:02 up here, incredible ingenuity.
19:05 One of the other things is often the distance you
19:07 can see a circle of trees, form those trees is
19:10 the little road that goes out to the area that
19:12 was a medical treatment centre.
19:14 Gratian started this treatment centre using
19:16 physical medicines but also mental.
19:19 He began to look at the dreams and analyze the
19:22 dreams of people and treat them
19:24 based upon their dreams.
19:31 In the valley below the Acropolis a temple can be
19:33 found to Asclepius, the Greek God of healing.
19:37 Both the religious and secular medical practice
19:40 flourished side by side in Pergamos.
19:43 Many Greek Gods were associated with health
19:45 and healing. Each Asclepeion temple was
19:48 conglomeration of buildings and areas
19:50 depending on size and opulence on it's wealth
19:53 and influence. The dominant structure
19:56 was usually the main temple in which a statue
19:59 of God was given a prominent place.
20:03 Somewhere in the precincts on the entrance gates
20:05 or before the portals were tablets describing
20:08 earlier miraculous curers and voodoo offerings
20:11 which expressed gratitude for successful results.
20:16 Around building the tholos contained water
20:19 for purification sometimes in a pool or
20:22 bubbling up from a sacred spring.
20:24 Here too paintings and decorations were frequent.
20:29 The most important structure to the ailing
20:31 patient was the incubation site,
20:33 the Abaton where the actual cure took place in
20:36 the worshipper's dreams. All the preparations and
20:39 anticipations were prelude to what happened
20:42 within the Abaton, where the patient went
20:45 to sleep until he was visited by the God.
20:48 It was common practice for the priest to whisper
20:51 things to the patients at night.
20:52 And when they spoke of it in the morning they
20:55 were told it was the visit from the Gods.
20:59 It took you six months to complete your studies
21:02 what happened after you have done?
21:04 At the end of my courses they asked me
21:07 if I wanted to attend a church nearby,
21:10 and that they would be able to send
21:13 me the address. Of course I said yes.
21:16 They sent me the address and in 1998.
21:19 I attended their service here at the
21:23 Adventist church. And you are still here.
21:25 This is your church. How did it happen?
21:31 I introduced myself to all these people.
21:34 I wasn't ready for Baptism.
21:36 I was about twenty years old.
21:40 I didn't have one to talk about my decisions.
21:44 I was worried, unsure about what I was doing.
21:51 I constantly prayed and asked God to show me
21:54 the way. Christ opened up to me.
22:04 I met a lady that lived next door and she always
22:08 invited me always wanted to talk about Christ.
22:12 And then I knew that God had shown me the right
22:15 church and rest with me, and after the program
22:18 I was happy to be baptized at this
22:21 Adventist church.
22:23 It's always interesting to me to see how God
22:26 weaves a thread connects everything
22:28 in each person in a special way and He
22:31 certainly did that for you. Amen.
22:34 Tell me about momma and grandma,
22:37 what's going on with them now?
22:42 My grandmother passed away already but at first
22:45 they were amazed and didn't take it serious.
22:53 They thought that I would stop coming after a
22:55 while then they asked me to read my books and
22:59 talk about Christ a little.
23:07 My mother and my brother never attended
23:09 the church with me.
23:13 And how does that make you feel?
23:16 I am very happy. I understand someone
23:19 told me that after you were baptized you got to
23:22 meet your person who helped you
23:25 through your Bible studies?
23:30 Yes! It was on Saturday.
23:33 I heard someone was coming from Keel.
23:41 I had the chance to meet this lady and I still
23:44 talk to her until this day.
23:50 You find it's wonderful in the family of God,
23:52 don't you? Yes, of course this is big
23:56 happiness in my life.
23:58 Do you share AWR with others now?
24:05 Yes, I gave my completed courses to my friends
24:08 and families so they could read
24:10 and become closer to Christ.
24:14 It sounds like you share with everybody
24:16 you can find you tell them about Jesus now.
24:21 Of course I didn't want to keep this miracle
24:23 to myself I told people that my life changed.
24:28 How much easier it is to live with God and I just
24:31 can't imagine my life without Christ.
24:35 I am so happy that you are a part of making
24:37 waves around the world also.
24:39 Thank you so much. You are welcome.
24:45 Tatyana in our story today was not one who had
24:48 a dramatic experience of persecution or
24:51 difficulty rather she was one who God led step
24:55 by step to a greater unfolding knowledge
24:58 of the truth. Notice the agencies
25:01 the God used to catch her attention and bring
25:04 her to Him. First of all He implanted in her
25:08 heart a desire, a hunger to learn more about Him.
25:12 And that caused her to begin to search here and
25:15 there and everywhere. Secondly,
25:17 came the radio broadcast, the voice of hope.
25:21 From there she got the bigger,
25:23 clear understanding of who God was.
25:26 Third was the Bible correspondence course.
25:29 There she learned more deeply about what the
25:31 Bible taught and what the truth really was.
25:35 Fourth, she had a neighbor,
25:36 a neighbor that also believed and encouraged
25:39 her and brought her to church together.
25:44 Then finally came the church that served as
25:47 a family to help her fell solidified in her faith
25:50 and her belief. Tatyana didn't take
25:53 everything just as it came. She had many
25:57 questions along the way and she did a lot
25:59 of checking to make sure that what she was
26:02 learning was indeed the truth.
26:06 Perhaps unconsciously she followed the council
26:09 of first John chapter 4 verse 1.
26:12 Test the spirits to see if they are from God.
26:17 Well, she finally came to the place where she
26:20 felt confirmed in her belief.
26:22 She felt like she understood the basic
26:24 things about the Bible and she could have
26:27 confidence that it was the truth,
26:29 just like the people who lived here in Pergamum
26:32 the Christians, as was recorded in the
26:36 Book of Revelation in the letter to them.
26:40 That's what you and I need to do.
26:41 We need to study, we need to test,
26:45 we need to make them to make a decision.
26:47 So many people in this world gain a lot
26:50 of knowledge, but they never come to the point of
26:54 making that decision to follow Jesus Christ and
26:57 make Him part of their life that's what we need
27:01 to do. Won't you help AWR in bringing more and
27:06 more people to decision, who need to learn more
27:10 about Jesus Christ in this world around us.
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