Talma had been
raised as a communist.
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Matter of fact, she
didn't like Christians at all
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and when she found out
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that there was a
Christian living next door
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and that Christian began talking
to her about Jesus Christ.
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Well, she wanted
nothing to do with it,
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so she moved away,
she couldn't stand it.
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But then, one day she
turned on her radio dial
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and she found the
new hope in Jesus Christ.
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You see, God had applied
the eye salve in her life
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that spoken of in
the Book of Revelation
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Chapter 3 about
Laodicea, it changed her life.
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Stay tuned, we'll be right back.
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I'm actually
sitting on a stone here,
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there was once a marble statue.
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Apparently the Christians
used it as a sewer cover.
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How did it all this occur?
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Well, today we found out
because we're able to talk
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with an archeologist
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who's running a huge
dig here at Laodicea.
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We are so fortunate
because most people do not
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get the opportunity to
do what we've done today
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and we get to
share it all with you.
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This city is
located in a small valley,
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about 40 miles east
and inland from Ephesus
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and just a few miles from
both Hierapolis and Colossae.
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This valley's a natural route
of travel from East to West.
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It is located and what is
known is the Gate of Phrygia.
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The great camel
caravans came out of the East
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down through the Gate of
Phrygia and through Laodicea.
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From the East they
continued to Ephesus,
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to Miletus, and also up
to what is called Izmir today
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but was Smyrna
in Biblical Times.
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This city was founded by
the Seleucid King Antiochus II
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and name for his wife
Laodicea about 260 BC.
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So the first
dig started in 2002.
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Now, until that time there
was nothing here at Laodicea,
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all of this now it's
been what all of you found.
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Yes. Can you show
us some of those areas?
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Yes, yes, can we go. Can
we look at some of those?
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Okay. We can go.
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How do you ever tell
how it all fits together?
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Well, sometimes it's easy to
find the pieces to match them.
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They're all
laying closely together.
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Yeah, of course, and also
and the places of buildings
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breakage are clear sometimes.
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For example we can say that,
this part belongs to this one.
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Yeah. You can
understand from traces.
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Looks very plain that
they fit together, yeah.
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So you excavate a
site, you get all the pieces
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and then you
started looking say,
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now, how does this
building go together?
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Of course, for example
it's not difficult to say
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that there are lots of blocks
in front of the building there.
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You can see a few ones
there, we call In Situ,
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which means in
the original place.
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Original place. Yes.
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Do you found them in the
spot where they always were?
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When we find one in
original place we can say
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that the similar
blocks belongs next to it.
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You had mentioned to me
that you found exciting,
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something exciting
from the Bronze Age,
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I told you that
Laodicea is how old?
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Oh, Bronze Age,
2nd millennium B.C.
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it means four
thousand years ago,
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three thousand and
five hundred about.
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Ever since studies
revealed this material
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and it changed the
history of the city.
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So right now, you're
actually two periods of history
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or kind of mixed up
amongst all the artifacts here.
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Most of the ruins,
two civilizations mixed,
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Roman and
Byzantine civilizations.
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Now we're walking down,
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it appears like
an old street here.
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Yes, it's
originally Roman street
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and also it's an extension
of the famous king roads
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which connects Persia and
Syria to Aegean Coast, Ephesus.
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So already, it looks you're
building up the, the colonies.
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This entire street
was line with big--
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Yes, certainly, exactly.
It must have been beautiful.
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Of course, you can
see some, for example,
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bases also which we found
In Situ in original place.
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But some of them
are Byzantine pavements.
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Talma, I'm really glad
that we could have a little time
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to spend today in
such a beautiful location
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to talk about AWR.
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Yes, proceed. I especially
wanna hear about your life.
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Good, I'm ready
to share my story.
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Well, tell me about your story.
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How did you end up in
the place you are today?
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Foreign language
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I divide my life
into two sections,
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before baptism and after.
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Foreign language
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My parents baptized me
at that Orthodox Church.
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I would have to say, I
think I was a Christian.
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So the Orthodox Church is quite
strong here in this country.
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Yes, of course, of course.
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Well, what did it mean
to you to go to that church?
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Foreign language
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Yes, I went to this
church until I turned 20,
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after that I decide that
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I didn't really need
to go to this church.
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I had no needs for it,
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I was doing things
like everyone else.
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Foreign language
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It just didn't seem to you
like the church was offering
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anything for you in
the heart or the mind.
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Foreign language
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Yes, that's true.
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I really wanted to
understand and take to heart,
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I want to say that
I was married twice.
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And in my first
marriage, I didn't workout,
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so we separated.
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Foreign language
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During that time I
needed someone to talk to,
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someone to share with.
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I couldn't find
anyone but I never thought
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that a church could
provide me with that.
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Foreign language
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So it was about this time then,
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as you're going there
you're wanting some real food.
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You get a divorce,
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it seems like maybe
your life falls apart.
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Foreign language
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Yes, that's right.
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Foreign language
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All I had was my
daughter and I use all my time
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and power to raised her,
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but then later I
find another man.
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Even though I told
myself, I wouldn't remarry,
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but I found a good
man and I trusted him.
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Foreign language
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I don't think I am the only one,
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I believe there are a
lot of people out there,
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who are hungry for
more spiritual life.
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There is never too much faith
and spiritual understanding.
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But I contain it very little.
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Laodicea was a city of
great wealth, of commerce,
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and of Greek culture.
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It was prideful of its
scientific accomplishments
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and scholarly literature.
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It boasted of a medical
school where they developed
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what was known in the
Roman world as Phrygian powder.
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Produced from clay found
in the surrounding hills,
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it was combined with perfume
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and made into a salve
for the eyes and ears.
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This salve was shipped
all over the Roman Empire.
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Today the chemical
analysis reveals that
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there are no medical
benefits in the clay.
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Following five years of
excavations at the site,
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it was announced that
they have found a statue
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head of the Ancient Greek
God of the underworld, Hades.
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Recent digs have also turned up
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a large number of
marble sculptures,
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including ones of
Aphrodite and Eros.
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As well as various
historical artifacts
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such as Terracotta
cups, bottles and coins.
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The excavations
have so far been centered
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on an ancient
street which encompasses
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a late Roman-era villa,
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a central bath
and a glass workshop.
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Now, you brought up an
interesting thing for me,
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I see many statues in the
museum that the heads are gone.
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What happens to the heads?
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Yeah, there are two
ways we can say the exact,
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the certain ways.
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One is, the head is most easy,
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most breakable part of a statue.
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When a statue fall, collapse,
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the first breaking place
is the head also and the arms.
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And the second is after
the acceptance of Christianity,
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the Christians
destroyed the heads.
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Oh, really? Of
course, they destroy it.
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Because it's a Paganistic
God and they used body,
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they destroyed the head.
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But they used
body for construction.
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For example in the
walls or in the houses or,
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as I mentioned, as a
cover of sewerage system.
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Really, they use the statues
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for the cover of
the sewerage system.
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Yes, exactly
and we can show you.
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Oh, I'd love to see
it. For example this block.
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This was original
as statue, you can see.
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You can see that. Shoulder.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Drapes. The drapes, yeah.
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Of course, and feet also.
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Now it looks,
did you just dig that
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out of this spot, it looks like.
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Yes, it was laying like this way
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and we can see that
it was a original statue.
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And if we lift it up.
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So you'll just leave that
there from now on basically.
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We just clean leave to
show people how this used,
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what was it before, et cetera.
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This, it all looks so beautiful,
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it's got to be
exciting to set it all up
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and see it come together.
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Of course, of course.
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For example last
year all these blocks
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were collapsed or destroyed.
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And last year all
these re-erected here
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and it was a
great and exciting work.
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This looks
beautiful, tell me about this.
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This is called in
archeology opus sectile,
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it's a kind of pavements
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made with square of
geometric shape marbles.
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Now are these stones, all
of these are different ones,
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are they from the local
area or just, just told me that
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they brought
these from everywhere.
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Different areas.
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For example some
of them are local.
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There are two
marble quarries near here,
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but also there are other
marbles from other regions
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and also other kind of
stones from other regions.
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So you needed
more spiritual life,
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you needed something else,
where did that lead you to next?
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Foreign language
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It came into my life
in a very special way.
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Tell me about that
special way, what was special?
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Foreign language
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It all happened
here in this small town
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my husband's
parents get very ill.
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So I had to leave my
job and leave the town
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and move to his parent's
home to take care of them.
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Foreign language
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My husband's parents
live in a small village.
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They own very little,
beside a small television
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that hardly worked was a radio
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and received a station
that we didn't have back home.
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Radio that was used
for Communist propaganda
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is now putting out Christianity.
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Yes, that's right.
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Foreign language
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And I had the chance to
listen to all of those programs
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and during that
time I had the chance
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to listen to Voice of Hope.
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And they spoke about
small general Bible rules.
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These were very familiar rules.
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Everything they
said, I understood.
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Foreign language
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It was very interesting
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because I love the
bells while we're talking.
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You know, I understand
they do those by hand,
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the people play those bells.
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Foreign language
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Yes, these old
bells are different sizes
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and they play with the hand.
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You said you found a
special radio program
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though that you're really liked.
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Foreign language
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Yes, this was Voice of
Hope, they offer Bible study.
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They were going to
mail me the homework
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and they weren't pushy.
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If I wanted to do the homework,
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I did, if I didn't, I didn't.
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So I decide to study because
it's never too late to study.
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Foreign language
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So tell me what happened
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when you got the Bible studies,
what did that mean to you?
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Foreign language
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Yes, I did my homework
and I received the answers.
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I finished 24
assignments in these courses
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and received a diploma
for passing these classes.
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And I went through a
long break after that.
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Foreign language
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Through the lessons I
understood I need to believe,
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I needed to get baptized.
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But where do I go,
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where is the church
and who do I talk to?
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Foreign language
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And I believed that
the Holy Spirit work
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very well for me.
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And I think that
everyone in my church
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prayed for people like me,
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for those who
needed to come to Christ.
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And I happen to run
into an acquaintance of mine,
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I never knew she
went to the same church.
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And she without
knowing that I had finished
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the Bible
courses and I didn't know
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she attend this church,
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decided to share
this happiness with me.
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She apparently got baptized
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and that's where our
conversation started.
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During Roman times,
what was the area famous for?
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Oh, the wealthy of this,
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it comes from
textile exportation.
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And the main
commercial good was textile.
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During Roman period the
textile products of city
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was very famous.
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And also they was very,
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they were very
expensive because it mentioned
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in the price
list of Diocletianus.
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Now I'm told that the
wool, a lot of it was black.
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Yes, black, yes, black.
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How did they dye it
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or why, why was
everything black, why black?
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Black, the first reason
was the color of the sheep.
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And also it was specific
that the water of this region
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was very good to
have that color to have,
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it was good to
paint the woolen product
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with that color.
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And it was giving to the wool
a very impressive black color.
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Good quality, deep,
dark. Yes, of course.
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Rich. Yes, they fix it,
it doesn't lose its color.
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This city has a population
in II and III century A.D.
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over a hundred
thousand population.
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A hundred thousand people
lived in top of this hill.
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Yes, because the city
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placed over a five
square kilometers area.
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It's a lot of huge area?
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And it's normal, a
hundred thousand people
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is normal for this city.
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As you can see, AWR is
frontline mission radio.
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Our first priority is to travel
where missionaries cannot go.
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We broadcast
thousands of hours each day
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in 70 major
languages of the world.
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AWR has the capability
and capacity of blanketing
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almost 80% of the
world's population.
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Not only do we
broadcast via shortwave radio
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but our signal
is on over 1,000 FM
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and AM stations
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Our podcast
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Evidenced by the
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letters, and phone calls we
receive each and every year.
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Yes, AWR is your mission radio.
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No walls and no borders,
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for AWR that means
change lives and changed hearts
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around the world because
God is using the airwaves
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of AWR to reach
people everywhere.
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A lot of people
come to Laodicea,
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they hear about the
lukewarm water of the Bible.
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Hierapolis is right over there,
for years I've heard them say
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about the water came from there.
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What's, what's
really the situation
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you're the archeologist?
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The warm water, in
fact, it's at lower Hierapolis
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and people go to
Hierapolis for warm water.
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But the people come to
here to be our pilgrim,
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especially in modern
times also in ancient period.
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Because this city
mentioned in Holy Bible
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because of the letters of
Saint Paul to Saint Epaphras.
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And one of the seven
churches of apostle found here,
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it's in here.
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But I have, as an
archeologist I cannot say
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this building is
the church of apostle.
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Maybe that was there only
a name, not a real building.
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But people come to
visit the Holy Lands
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which Saint Paul give
importance to this city.
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Now, I can't tell you
how much I appreciate this.
00:19:58.43\00:20:01.03
Because people all over
the world are interested
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in this site, so
thank you so much.
00:20:03.90\00:20:06.46
We are inviting all
of the world, I mean,
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all of the people over
the world to Laodicea to see,
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because there are
lots of things to discover.
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And we advise them to see here.
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And it was my
pleasure to tell you something.
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You just find out that
your friend is actually
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a member of this
church, what was your reaction?
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My reaction was happiness.
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I was invited to
church by Inna and I finally
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had the chance to
attend this church,
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not alone but with my friend.
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So this was
different than listening
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before in the Orthodox
Church, you couldn't understand.
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But now you've got
someone that you can understand.
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Foreign language
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No, because it
was divided in two.
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First half was the assignments
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and second half
was the preaching.
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I'm now able to open to
Bible and understand things.
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Foreign language
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Can you imagine I was so annoyed
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with the whole religion
that I decided to sell my house
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because of my
Christian neighbors?
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Can you see how big a step
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I took of my life
after this incident?
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Foreign language
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That's not all, I
rented an apartment
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and on the first
floor our church rented out
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a big room to
have service there.
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That's when I started
to believe that things
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like that don't
happen by accident.
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Isn't God amazing, the things
that He does in our lives?
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Yes, our Lord is a great Lord.
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So you went from moving
away from your neighbors
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who were
Christians, because you hated
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to be around a Christian.
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So now you're
rejoicing in Christ and baptism.
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Foreign language
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Yes, it was so nice.
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As I walked out of the water,
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brothers and sister
was singing me songs
00:22:12.33\00:22:15.03
as my baptism
gift which was amazing.
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They invited my instructor
from the Bible study courses.
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Foreign language
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I've got to ask, do you share
Jesus Christ with others now?
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Foreign language
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I share with my close
ones and with my co-workers.
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And as I travel, not
everyone accept this,
00:22:38.16\00:22:42.13
but I don't blame them
because I used to be the same.
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What would've
happened in your life
00:22:47.90\00:22:49.90
had you never heard AWR?
00:22:49.90\00:22:52.30
Foreign language
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I think that it
was going to happen.
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Because if a person has
a soul and a good in them,
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it waits for them,
Christ will find them.
00:23:03.43\00:23:07.10
Foreign language
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I knew that, I had
an angel watching me.
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Because when I was
seeing out of the book a feather
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fell out of the sky
and landed on my book.
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I stopped to see
and then I saw the color
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of my guardian angel's feathers.
00:23:25.70\00:23:27.90
Foreign language
00:23:27.90\00:23:31.36
"To the angel of the
church in Laodicea write.
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These are the words of the Amen,
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the faithful and true witness,
the ruler of God's creation.
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I know your deeds that
you are neither cold nor hot.
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I wish you were
either one or the other.
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So, because you are
lukewarm neither hot nor cold,
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I am about to spit
you out of my mouth.
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And you say, 'I am
rich, I have acquired wealth
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and do not need a thing.'
00:24:04.46\00:24:06.96
But you do not
realize that you are wretched,
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pitiful, poor, blind, and naked.
00:24:09.53\00:24:12.66
I counsel you to buy from
me gold refined in the fire,
00:24:12.66\00:24:16.06
so you can become rich,
and white clothes to wear,
00:24:16.06\00:24:19.40
so you can cover
your shameful nakedness,
00:24:19.40\00:24:22.16
and salve to put on
your eyes, so you can see.
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Those whom I love I
rebuke and discipline.
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So be earnest and repent.
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Here I am. I stand
at the door and knock.
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If anyone hears my
voice and opens the door,
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I will come in and eat
with him, and he with me.
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To him who overcomes, I
will give the right to sit
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with me on my
throne, just as I overcame
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and sat down with my
Father on his throne.
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He who has an
ears, let them hear
00:24:51.03\00:24:52.50
what the Spirit
says to the churches?"
00:24:52.50\00:24:57.63
Wasn't that a great
story we heard from Talma here,
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how God has led in her life?
00:25:01.36\00:25:03.56
But I have a little
postscript to this story
00:25:03.56\00:25:05.80
that she told me after
we finished her interview.
00:25:05.80\00:25:09.00
She told me when
she first started
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studying her Bible lessons
00:25:10.66\00:25:12.66
she did it
secretly from her husband.
00:25:12.66\00:25:15.46
Because she thought
he might not approve
00:25:15.46\00:25:17.50
of her studying
the Bible course.
00:25:17.50\00:25:21.00
One time she got
some lessons in the mail
00:25:21.00\00:25:23.80
and there was a question that
was very difficult to answer.
00:25:23.80\00:25:28.40
And she thought about it
and then she decided that
00:25:28.40\00:25:32.60
because her
husband was an educated man
00:25:32.60\00:25:35.73
he might be able to
help her with the answer.
00:25:35.73\00:25:39.23
And so he came home
from work one evening
00:25:39.23\00:25:42.26
and she asked him that
very difficult question.
00:25:42.26\00:25:46.36
He smiled and he
said, "You didn't know it
00:25:46.36\00:25:51.50
but I've been reading
00:25:51.50\00:25:52.80
and studying your
lessons all along.
00:25:52.80\00:25:55.66
I have read them all."
00:25:55.66\00:25:58.03
She thought she had
them kept in a secret place.
00:25:58.03\00:26:01.93
But he had found them
and he was studying them.
00:26:01.93\00:26:05.90
Now he is coming
close to understanding
00:26:05.90\00:26:08.93
the things that she has.
00:26:08.93\00:26:10.70
But he hasn't yet
made his decision to accept
00:26:10.70\00:26:13.90
Jesus Christ completely.
00:26:13.90\00:26:16.03
Because he still is involved
in this logical thinking,
00:26:16.03\00:26:19.80
educated mentality,
and as Talma told me.
00:26:19.80\00:26:23.86
"Sometimes you
just have to believe."
00:26:23.86\00:26:27.30
Well, that's the
rest of the story,
00:26:27.30\00:26:29.66
we can continue praying
for her and her husband.
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And the Bible verse
that comes to my mind
00:26:33.70\00:26:36.86
here is the one in
Proverbs Chapter 3,
00:26:36.86\00:26:40.56
"Trust in the Lord
with all your heart
00:26:40.56\00:26:43.30
and lean not on
your own understanding,
00:26:43.30\00:26:46.36
in all your
ways acknowledged him
00:26:46.36\00:26:49.06
and he will guide your paths."
00:26:49.06\00:26:52.46
God is the great
architect of our lives,
00:26:52.46\00:26:55.63
and He brings things
together that we never knew
00:26:55.63\00:27:00.06
might happen otherwise.
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Continue to join us here
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For more stories of people
around the world like Talma
00:27:06.63\00:27:10.60
who need to hear this message,
00:27:10.60\00:27:12.96
and are so happy
when they received it.
00:27:12.96\00:27:16.50
I'm sitting here in
the ruins of Laodicea.
00:27:16.50\00:27:19.56
You see AWR goes
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